April 5, 2019 Show with Angus Stewart on “The Doctrines of Sovereign Grace in Northern Ireland”

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Chris Arnzen Good afternoon,

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Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron

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Radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this fifth day of April 2019 and I am thrilled to have a first -time guest today

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His name is Angus Stewart and he is the pastor of the Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena, Northern Ireland and he's going to be discussing today the doctrines of sovereign grace in Northern Ireland and He's also going to be discussing two

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Bible conferences that are coming up celebrating the 400th anniversary of the Synod of Dort one of the conferences a

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Conference that he is hosting in Northern Ireland and the other conference is a conference where he'll be speaking

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Here in the United States in Michigan But first of all, it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio

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Angus Stewart Thanks for inviting me Chris, I'm delighted to be on air and with you.

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Oh, it's the pleasure is all mine brother and First of all, let our listeners know something about Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena, Northern Ireland Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena is a church with a very long name

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So we usually just call it the CPRC Our church has for its confessions

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Three documents one of which is the Synod of Dort So if our church could be summed up in God's mercy in one

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Short statement it would be said to be a church that believes and loves and preaches the truth of God's Grease which is what the cowards of Dort are all about amen and What we do when we have a first -time guest here on our interpreters iron radio typically

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Is we have that individual if they are Christian, of course? Give a summary of their testimony of salvation sometimes believe it or not

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I do have a non Christian guest on that might have something of great importance to say to the

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Christian community he might have written on something or or For some reason or another

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I've had him on the program perhaps even for a debate But whenever I have a Christian on the program,

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I try to remember to have them give their Summary of their salvation testimony when they're on for the first time so if you could get let us know something about the religious atmosphere you were raised in if any and What providential circumstances are sovereign

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Lord raised up in your life to draw you to himself and save you? a very good question

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Chris I was brought up in the Church of Ireland Which is the

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Church of England so to speak in? Ireland and which your American listeners might recognize more as Episcopalian so I was baptized in the

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Church of Ireland Although strangely enough later on the man who baptized me was murdered

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By a nipping needle being thrust through his eye and into his brain Wow But I don't claim any responsibility for that Now who did that I'm not sure if the police ever ever tracked it down Well, there was a sort of a false sense.

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And then I think the man with his his His wife I think they were I think they tracked it down to his

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Son -in -law I was gonna say it might have been a very angry member of the ladies knitting circle

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Sometimes they can get very feisty, but that's interesting It's an interesting way for women like that On the

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Church of Ireland, I I considered it a good work to go to church I thought that this was making me good as a young person

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Because I found church very boring and I thought that I was keeping up a lot of merit

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And I thought that by going to church and listening to those things and Presumably though.

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I can't remember much about the sermons apart from one sermon that mentioned a jellyfish.

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I Think they've probably got up there to the church makes you a good person if you earn enough you'll go to heaven and Then I suppose

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I had a sort of crisis when I get older and went to high school My teenage years because I began to do the sorts of things that teenage boys do and Then I began to realize that that I wasn't actually good and that I was doing things that was evil and maybe

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I was sinful and At least through going to church I had a great

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Natural respect for the Bible. I thought that that was an amazing book, even though I didn't really understand it and I Began to concern me

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If that book is true, then I'm a sinner and I'm going to hell if it's not true

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Then I can keep doing what I'm doing. So I needed I felt that I needed to work that out because the stakes were

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Very high so my mother was a believer and she got me some books about Bible prophecy

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Things fulfilled from the Old Testament in the life and ministry and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and that That made a real impression with me and I began to believe that this was indeed true

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But my problem was that I couldn't believe and be saved. I Began and I'm thinking of my testimony here in the light of the candle door

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I began to get a hold more of total depravity and The bondage of the will so I prayed that God would save me because I didn't want to go to hell

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I had some idea of my sin, but not really much But God wouldn't answer because every time

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I got up after closing my eyes and praying I Realized that I didn't really mean it. I wanted not to go to hell

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But I wanted not to be embarrassed for Jesus Christ and to keep on living the life.

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I was living So I prayed and prayed without really praying and then

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I gave up. I thought maybe I'm not the sort of person who can become a Christian and months passed and I was on holiday for July and August as is the case in Northern Ireland from school and We owned a caravan by the coast

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We would go down there and play golf and so forth. And then my mother mentioned some lay preachers with the faith mission

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Most of whom actually were were Arminian and I didn't really I didn't understand anything back then and I went to hear one of their speeches by the beach and I just sat there afterwards and one of the men came over to me and he said you seem to be

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Interested in this message. I said, yes, I am. I believe it. This is true And then

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I got to know these guys and they dispelled there were four of them they dispelled some some of the myths that I had in my mind that if you become a

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Christian your life becomes very dreary and You have to do all it's amazing the sort of things the devil pours into your ears

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So we met with them talk with them. I went to some meetings But I still couldn't believe

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Because I wanted to live in my sins and I remember vividly one night. I just couldn't sleep and I was afraid that I was going to die in my sleep

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So it was well, we're pretty far north in Northern Ireland Someone said that we're as far north as the southern coast of of Hudson's Bay.

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So in the summer we have long days so I get up at maybe four o 'clock in the morning and Put a pair of shorts on and jog to the other side of town to where I knew these guys were staying

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And I got to the house and then I realized well one of the stores not locked here, but it wasn't it was open

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Then I knew which of the four guys I wanted to talk to Because one of them I didn't know the terminology one of them was a

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Calvinist. He was the one who especially Impressed me because when I asked him questions, he gave answers from the

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Bible. He knew what he was talking about So the door was open. I walked in I went over to the bunk beds where the guys were sleeping and My friend his name was

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Stephen. He was a Scotsman. He was awake and he said to me. All right, man I said

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Stevie. I need to talk to you So he got up the two of us walked along the beach And I told him of my predicament and asked him the question that was burned in my mind

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Is it true that only those who are elect can be saved and that if I'm not elect

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I will never be able to believe because he'd been saying things to me about this

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Previously and it really troubled me and I wanted to hear from his own mind if this is right

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And he said it was and he showed me from the Scriptures and I was just devastated because I thought the little

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I'd heard of Evangelical preaching before I met him was Arminianism and if I had thought about salvation before Before I began to think more seriously about my sins.

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I Had thought that I'll be saved on my deathbed and then I can live the way

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I want and then get into heaven And then he told me that and I thought it's not then up to me It really isn't unless I'm elect

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I will never be able to believe and that really humbled me and I went back just amazed

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That that was the truth of it all Unconditional election

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No free will for man That doctrinally what I was being is what

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I was being taught And I became even more despairing and how am I ever going?

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How am I know? I'm going to be elect and then one day I was

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Leaving one of the guys back. He'd been at our house. I believe For talking about biblical things or our caravan rather and I said to him, you know what

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I can believe now I just believe I believe that Jesus Christ died for me.

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It was a natural and as easy I Just couldn't I just couldn't not believe

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There's God and the only one I couldn't that was God's mercy and in the terms of the canons adored

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That was just irresistible grace. God opened your eyes and then you see it Now if you want to talk to me about the order of Saludis the order in which

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God applies his salvation That I can talk to you from the Bible about but how that fits with my own testimony not to say it

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Clashes with it. I don't know but I don't make up my order Saludis in the light of my experience

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I just know what happened and I know what the Bible says and I was saved by the mercy and grace of God alone and it's a classic example for our

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Listeners tonight that Calvinism true Calvinism that is what the

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Bible teaches about sovereign grace is no hindrance to evangelism It was the proud heresy of our minimism that blocked me and kept me away

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Humanly speaking from Jesus Christ and that lulled me into a false sense of security

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Yeah, if people are approaching you when you're lost Well -meaning well -intentioned but biblically uninformed

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Arminian Christians and of course many of them would not call themselves Arminian but when they come up to lost people as they did to me when

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I was a teenager and Said Jesus loves you and he died for your sins

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I remember having a sense of ease be put upon my heart and mind because I'm saying to myself

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Well, if he really loves me, in fact, sometimes they will elaborate and they'll say His love for you is infinite.

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It can never be broken Jesus does not change his mind, you know

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You could go on and on and on with all kinds of descriptions of love and and they are they are very often actually true descriptions of love but misapplied if you're telling somebody that's

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Lost who's a total stranger to you That this is true that could be a great hindrance to you being motivated

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To repent and flee to Christ could it not? Yes, if God really if you tell the unbeliever that God loves him

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He could well conclude that he doesn't really need to be feared and if God really loves him being

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God He'll save him in the end and this rings true and some of the evangelism in which I was engaged

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With a group of Christians at Queen's University when I went on to university There were a number of them would say this on sort of party night when we'd go out for coffee and speak to those who are who were going in to To drink and unravel and so forth the event there many in line, you know

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God loves you. God wants to save you Jesus died for you. He has a wonderful plan for your life the unbelievers

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Typically Shrugged their shoulders and said that's all very well Do you want to join me inside for a drink? And then as I began to get a hold of Calvinism and there were other

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Calvinists there The unbelievers were actually a lot more interested They didn't really like what we had to say, but they finally we had to say a lot more interesting because we came to them and talked to them about their sin and who the who

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God is and what Jesus achieved in the cross and So I can picture a number of people remember them who would actually turn aside from talking to an

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Armenian say What do you have to say? Do you say the same thing and I'd say? Well, let me let me take you to Romans 3 and let's talk about what the

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Bible says about our sin And if we go further we can get to Romans Romans 5 So for a for evangelism, not only is the reformed faith biblical and true and Powerful and saving and just what the sinner needs

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But it's also more interesting and it gets you into the scriptures where you can discuss real issues with people and dispel myth because saving faith is faith in the scriptures and the

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Christ revealed in the scriptures and The last thing we need to somebody who's in the darkness then is to be telling them lies half -truths and darkness

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Yes, in fact if you are Logically consistent with the reformed faith

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You are going to be less prone to use pragmatic Gimmicks and tactics to lure someone to Christ.

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I know that there are professedly reformed people That do that, but they're being inconsistent.

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They're not being logically consistent with their faith. Whereas Arminianism if you are believing that any human being may be led to saving faith in Christ you're going to Be more prone to be pragmatic

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You're you may be more prone to softening The gospel message which not only carries with it good news.

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It carries horrible news for those who reject that gospel and so therefore

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That is one of the beauties of reformed theology is if you're really consistent with it You're going to stick with the scriptures no matter how unpopular or distasteful the message of the

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Bible may be at times to the lost You're going to stick with it because you know

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That walls you're doing is being used of God to plant and water seeds.

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Only God can give the increase. Am I right on that? That's exactly right and it gives you a confidence and a freedom

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We're not bringing our own message this person's eternal destiny is not determined by how good a feels man

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I am God uses his own word to convert people So the more we can deal with this person and bring him the

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Word of God the more God who uses word He's one of his people will bring him around and then you're not you're not tempted to corrupt it because if you stick with the real

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Message the real message is powerful Paul talks about this in 2nd Corinthians 2 he says

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Thanks be to God which always Causes us to triumph in Christ and make it manifest the savor of his knowledge by us in every place

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Then it goes on to say that we're a sweet savor of Christ To God and those who perish and those who were saved

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But to the people we reach to one with the savor of death unto death To God's people the savor of life unto life who is sufficient for these things

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We're not and then he adds For we are not as many which corrupt the

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Word of God trying to change it make it more palatable Soften it sharp take the sharp corners and round them

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But as a sincerity as of God in the sight of God speak we in Christ There is our confidence and there's our peace in evangelism, too

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Amen, and you mentioned just a moments ago the ordo salutis the

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Latin phrase for order of salvation and It is a very controversial and highly misunderstood teaching

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That we who are reformed have in regard to this I have heard over and over and over again from non reformed

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Christians the accusation that we are teaching that God first gives us new life in Christ.

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We're born again, but then we could live Days weeks months years or decades and then bingo.

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We finally have faith at some point of our life We're walking around as born -again zombies with no faith for a period of time

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But that is not what the order of salvation is according to the reform faith historically

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Isn't it not true that although we believe that regeneration? precedes faith

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That faith will instantly flow from the heart of that person that is regenerated

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Yes, especially we're dealing with you know adults Right, right. Yes, we have like instances where John the

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Baptist, of course was saved in his mother's womb and we don't have any other

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We don't have any other example of that in the scripture, but it's interesting that even in that case,

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I believe that the Lord May have given John the Baptist faith of some kind because he left what he left with joy

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There was some reason why even the unborn child left with joy in his heart when he was near Christ he left with joy and joy is one of the ninefold fruit of the

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Holy Spirit in Galatians 5 and the presence of Christ made him joyful Jacob's another example of one regenerated in the womb.

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That's right, because it was filled with the Holy Spirit and there he was Wrestling with reprobate

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Esau to get the birthright. Now back to your question about the Ordo Salutis Regeneration and faith the order of those two is as you've said the key

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Ordo Salutis question when dealing with the Calvinism Arminianism controversy and Those who are regenerate especially in later life

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This is a seat an incorruptible seat, this is the life of Jesus Christ put in us resurrection life eternal life life from the dead and this life recognizes

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Christ and Recognizes the Word of God this life believes we've been united to Jesus.

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We're receiving the benefits of his mediation and cross And we live life manifests itself.

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Here's John 1 verses 12 and 13 It says that as many as received

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Christ to them gave he power or authority to become the sons of God That's adoption legally into the family of God even to them that believe on his name

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Those who believe in his name were born Not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man

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It's great the way the scripture opposes the Arminian notion of free will but we're born of God and The analogies out there too because a child that's born shows its life

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I believe that one of the first things that typically does especially if smacked in its bottom is that it cries and When we're born of God we cry

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Abba Father That's what that's what the Holy Spirit of Acts said about Paul when he was converted behold he prayeth

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And when the Holy Spirit's in us the Holy Spirit enables us to believe the words Breathe forth by that same spirit in the

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Holy Scripture. So there isn't any Dormant regeneration that was a sort of idea that especially was promulgated by Abraham Kuyper a dormant regeneration

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In a sense you could say it's a bit like oh the idea of soul sleep.

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Hmm With many cults that a person dies and then not as bodily past to his soul.

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He's an active But this dormant regeneration has someone being regenerate and then only ten years later showing his life

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That would be like a baby that's born Then showing showing life only ten years later, but I think for that baby

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It'll be too late. I think it would already have been in the grave So it's nonsense from every which way you look at it

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That's interesting that I had not heard that that was a teaching of Kuyper.

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I perhaps I'm wrong Because this almost seems like the opposite error did not

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Kuyper believe in presumptive regeneration Yes, he did.

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He did he believed in that That he presumed that everyone's regenerated and then you've got this dormant regeneration

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The person could be regenerate you presume that and then later on his life show itself maybe

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Yeah, maybe Many years down the line. I see really strange ideas

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Abraham Kuyper was a very capable thinker But he was a bit philosophical at times and his exegesis.

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I mean, he's a much greater theologian than I am Of course, but his exegesis is I think quite quite lacking

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His own framework and way of approaching things and I think he should have stuck closer to the text.

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Mm -hmm and So the thing that I find interesting about this

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I think it's as a vet this is a very important issue because many people may think it's only for Scholastic or academic

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Conversations amongst theologians in libraries as they sit there and and winged winged leather chairs with snifters of brandy and cigars and and That these aren't the kinds of things to be discussed when we're actually out in the streets

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Evangelizing and having conversation with the lost but I think it is very important that We convey these issues

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To people even in the early stages of either hearing the the gospel or after they're saved because it really highlights that salvation is of God from beginning to end and that we innately are

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Sinners were totally depraved and we cannot even please God With a faith that saves us prior to being born again

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Which is the opposite of what most evangelicals would say they somehow think that we can summon up from our dead cold

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Hearts a faith that pleases God. In fact, as you know, the scriptures even teach

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That no man in the flesh can please God will of saving faith pleases

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God How could we offer that to God in the flesh without being born again first?

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It makes no sense at all does it? It doesn't the scriptures and Calendar Dork mentioned this repeatedly man is dead in trespasses and sin.

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He doesn't need medicine He doesn't need a little shove to wake him up from sleep. He needs to be born again he needs to be created anew he needs to be resurrected spiritually from the dead and Then it's so crucial that believers

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Grasp this because unless you get a truth the truth of God's sovereign grace. How are you going to understand the

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Bible? How are you going to be able to witness to others? How are you going to know what church to join? And I must admit

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I really dislike this idea that there are some truths in the Bible that are not for the people of God I find that offensive

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Yeah, Jesus certainly didn't view things that way He did not because we are not to believe that we are wiser than God God gives us 66 books in the scripture

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And he tells us that this is the way of knowing the truth and then along comes perhaps some snooty

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Theologian and he claims that there are there are certain things you don't tell the saints But if you don't tell that sense not only are you keeping back from the

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Saints food that they need But these people are automatically pretty much going to believe error

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They need the truth of God to pervade all areas of their thinking So if they can think the thoughts of God after him and expel the darkness that is naturally in us

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So all scripture and all scriptural theology is for the people of God Otherwise, we're heading back to Roman Catholicism We need to take the

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Bible away from people that's what Rome said and then you have a sort of Protestantism Which says we need to take parts of the

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Bible away from people or doctrines in the Bible away from people No the whole scripture for the whole people of God Yeah, the the absurdity of denying the

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Reformed order of Seleucus is even made more vividly clear when someone mistakenly believes in baptismal regeneration and when someone gets saved as An adult

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In their minds you have an adult person who is eager to get baptized

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They love the Lord so much. They want to get baptized and in their minds. This is going to assist in saving them

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They drive to church or get to church. However, they would get there and They are standing in a baptismal font excited to Experience what is about to occur the immersion in water or as some might do it with sprinkling or pouring and Yet the the reason why

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I say this is nonsensical is the man would never be or the woman would never be Standing in that font if they were not born again to begin with before the water had any contact with their body

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This whole idea of regeneration actually it reminds me of some sermons I preached in John 3

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Maybe 15 or 18 years ago on Nicodemus. He must be born again.

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That's a classic Evangelistic passage. Yes self -righteous

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Pharisee and Jesus talks to him about the new birth one -on -one This man must be converted and then

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Jesus says to you must be Born again, you're passive Yeah, and Then I remember going on in that sermon series to talk about the two errors.

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You've spoken about baptismal regeneration So the water regenerates us And then the other one

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Freewill regeneration the Arminian point of view so you end up if you don't teach the truth with millions of people

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Being taught by Billy Graham You're baptized or sorry you're born again by the right exercise of your own free

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Will man's able to choose the good with a little bit of persuasion and then he wrote a book how to be born again

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Which is about as crazy as writing a book how to be born And it's not only the exercising of your will it's the exercising of your feet and legs walking the aisle

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To recite a prayer that that has become the third ordinance in many people's mind even if they wouldn't call it that If you don't have an altar call or an invitation like that in your church

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There are many people are horrified They think that you are either liberal or you don't have any compassion for the lost

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But the reason why the congregation where I'm a member doesn't have those Altar calls or invitations like that is because they're not in the

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Bible and then in fact, they haven't even ever existed in church history until Charles Finney Yes, I'm funny and the whole invitation system

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It's a logical outgrowth of the Arminian idea of the will the will is indeterminate. There are certain

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There are certain hindrances maybe darkness of knowledge or certain Evil inclinations, but the will is free and if the will is free the will can be persuaded by the salesmanship and Moral suasion through the preaching.

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Here's a bit more from John 3 in fact Angus Could you read from John 3 when we return from the break as we have to go to our first break right now?

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That's right. Well, I just remember that you were going into John 3 so we don't forget and I also Excuse me

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I'm just writing it down. Otherwise, I would I also want to ask you So you might want to write this down to you brought up Nicodemus just as we were speaking about baptismal region the baptismal regeneration because obviously that that is a classic text that Many who believe in baptismal regeneration bring up because of the involvement of water and so people think that means that you need to be baptized with water to be born again, but if you could

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Hold on to those thoughts and also I want to let our listeners know if you want to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com

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United States in Michigan, but we will give you more details momentarily Right now if you have a question, please send it to Chris Arnsen at gmail .com

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And by the way, I wanted to also clarify something. I said earlier I did not mean to convey the idea that everyone

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Who is standing in a baptismal font wanting to be baptized is genuinely Regenerate because there are people who get baptized for all kinds of false reasons they are there are people who are

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Becoming Jehovah's Witnesses That are baptized in water and Mormons and others, but what

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I was referring to is if somebody genuinely has a

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An eager Intense desire to obey Christ in that ordinance

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And they have true saving faith and are depending upon him for everything including their salvation.

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They wouldn't have Come to the church to be baptized to begin with If they were not already born again, that's the message

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I was trying to convey not that everybody that wants to get baptized is born again So I just wanted to make sure

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I clarified that Issue but before the break Angus you wanted to go into John 3, which is also the

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Chapter where we have the story of Nicodemus, but I'm not sure exactly where you are going With it when you wanted to bring up John 3 again

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Yes, Jesus said in John 3 verses 5 and 6 Accept the man be born of water

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That's one reference to water and of the spirit one reference to the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God Then he has that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit

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His emphasis therefore is on the spirit. He mentions the water because Regeneration is a cleansing work of God Titus 3 refers to the washing of regeneration and God washes the heart by the

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Holy Spirit That's the idea of water, but John in John 3 Jesus doesn't only give the image of water

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With regard to regeneration or the new birth or being born again, then he talks about the wind

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Water and wind he says in verse 8 the wind bloweth Where it listeth or wishes or wants and you hear the sign thereof but can't not tell whence it cometh and whither it goeth

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So is everyone that's born of the spirit It's like the wind blows wherever it wants the wind under God's decree

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Of course and problems is sovereign, you know where it's going to blow and where it's not. That's the way it is with the

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Holy Spirit Yes Jesus talked about baptismal regeneration Well, it'd be very easy to know where the wind of the spirits blowing.

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He's blowing at that baptismal font I He's got a big fan right beside it

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I sometimes have a fan up front in the pulp of a very red -blooded sort of guy get hot I need to keep cool But the wind here it refers to the sovereign work of the

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Holy Spirit who rent regenerates Whom he wants and when he wants this is the sovereignty of the new birth

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And I want to add just a further thought To give you an example of somebody who believes in baptismal regeneration with water or free will

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Regeneration by man's own innate powers John Wesley strangely enough actually held both

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There are places in his writings where you can be born again At the baptismal font and other places.

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You're born again by your free will and here's another reason for the importance of understanding the relationship between Faith and regeneration the classic instances

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CS Lewis CS Lewis he speaked he spoke about his being brought into the kingdom of God dragged kicking and Screaming the most reluctant convert.

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He said in Christendom. They're setting aside the issue whether the guy was converted That's not really the point now. He believed all sorts of heretical theology but again

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What about the Bible's teaching that God makes us willing in the day of his power certainly

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Regeneration is a mighty power raising of the dead as the count says a new creation. God makes us willing

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There's no such thing as anybody being dragged kicking and screaming into the kingdom of heaven

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It's a gracious and sweet work that the calendars or rightly explained Of course,

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I don't I don't know the specific reference the CS Lewis's testimony that you're referring to but of course, he might say

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I'm sorry Okay Well, my point is he might have been referring to as some others may refer to when they use that confusing language

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The those days prior to their rebirth when people were evangelizing them

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You know, I I can even remember my older brother Bob we would be at a party or like a family gathering and I would be sitting there by the the keg of beer

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Getting intoxicated and I would see him walking towards me and I would be like, oh no, here he comes.

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He's gonna He's gonna make my conscience Bother me. He's going to upset me by evangelizing me and he would he would begin to do that And there were days prior to my rebirth when

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I was opposing The efforts of those evangelizing me and fleeing from them and so I don't know if that's what

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CS Lewis was referring to but obviously That that is a false character of what

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Calvinists believe that we are dragged against our will kicking and screaming into heaven Rather than been being given new hearts by God himself that makes us willing.

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I agree fully. Yes So, I don't know if you were finished your thought there, but I also did did want to ask you what do you think

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Christ's intention was by using the word water in this conversation with Nicodemus.

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I Believe he referred to water because he's saying that regeneration is a cleansing work

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God cleanses us from within he gives us new life and I appeal to Titus Titus 3 the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the

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Holy Ghost So regeneration is a cleansing work and it's a life -giving work.

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So Jesus bringing that out as Paul develops that thought to in Titus 3 verse

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I Do you think it's also connected with the washing of the water of the word as husbands are to do with their wives?

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Yes, yes, you see the regeneration is a washing work then husbands

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When they bring the word wash their wives as Ephesians 5 teaches Because the

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Spirit uses the word were cleansed through that word as Jesus says elsewhere in John's gospel

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So the Holy Spirit washes us the word washes us now You clean through the word to take another verse with a soul the great cleansing work of God in saving his otherwise totally filthy utterly

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Depraved people and again, you could even look at the language of Ezekiel 16 about the little girl that is the church cast out in her blood and God says live which is

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Regeneration and then God says I hit he came and he washed her the washing of regeneration also

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Yes, and I'm assuming you would reject the explanation

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Provided by some who agree with us who are opposed to baptismal regeneration Who are saying that is the first birth?

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the the water involved is when somebody is physically born and Water flows forth from the womb and so on.

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I'm assuming that you're rejecting that idea I don't know a lot of a gain ecology

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I don't know much about history. I don't know But I'm assuming though that that explanation though is off base

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Because that isn't that is an explanation. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna let it pass. Okay Since you understand that your sound your your words against that are good enough for me

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Okay Well, we have some listener questions before we go on to anything further that you have to say and I also want to Have you do something that we have not yet done?

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in this series With your fellow Protestant Reformed pastors on the on the upcoming conferences.

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I wanted to hear something about specifically the doctrines of sovereign grace in Northern Ireland and The history of their growth there and what the situation is like today in Northern Ireland to the best of your knowledge of course so we hopefully we'll get to that but we do have a

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Couple of questions. We have a listener in the Republic of Ireland. We have Joe in Dublin Ireland and I have to enlarge

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Joe's email font because it's very very Microscopic and I can't read it So while I'm doing that,

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I'm gonna repeat our email address again Chris Ornson at gmail .com Chris Ornson at gmail .com

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Okay, Joe in Dublin Ireland says hi brother Chris. I have a question for your guest. I have recently read crisis in the

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Reformed churches Edited by Peter de Young and the reformers and their stepchildren by Leonard Verduen The former book is a critical of the latter.

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The latter makes claims that the Dutch Reformed Church practiced sacralism Walking hand in hand with the civil authorities.

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However, the former book Argues the contrary that in fact the civil authorities were on the

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Arminian side of the controversy Could your guest offer his perspective on the matter, please that's

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Joe in County Kildare actually, actually he says here. He's in Fi at I County Kildare Good to hear from Joe.

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I'm delighted to hear that Joe is reading crisis in the Reformed churches It is a marvelous little book.

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I have it on my desk here and there's some very valuable appendices at the back

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Great to hear that somebody in Dublin's reading such good literature as for Leonard Verduen's reformers and their stepchildren

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I Don't know I'd be more inclined to recycle the paper in that one where we come from.

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There's a blue bin that recycles paper You know

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Joe whenever you're you run out of room in your bookshelves You know and you have to sacrifice something

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I put Verdun in there Joe's question as I understand it Deals with the role of the civil authorities

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It can be reconciled fairly simply at the start of the Arminian controversy the civil authorities in the

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United provinces What we now call the Netherlands were against what we now called the

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Calvinist the Reform Party and they were pro -Arminian and So Arminius himself preached that preached a very

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Arastian View of Romans 13 that is that the civil magistrate has great power over the church

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Because to the civil magistrates were countenancing and defending him and his his followers but then

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Just before the Senate of Dork Prince Morris He Sighted with the reformed an old and Barnabas the main political leader who sheltered the

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Arminians overplayed his hand Sighted with the was doing dodgy things with the

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Spanish which is a very bad thing for in the eyes of most Dutchman at this stage because we're in the middle of the 80 years war between the

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Netherlands and The Spanish so then the civil magistrate supported the reformed

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So it's fairly easy to reconcile them at first the civil magistrate was pro -Arminian

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Anti -reformed and then the civil magistrate was pro reformed and anti -Arminian

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This brings up the larger question beyond the historical one the larger question was this right?

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for the state to have such a big role to play

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And that's a deep issue much ink could be spout over that one

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I Personally don't really care to get into it. Although suppose if I'm pushed I may but It was simply the way

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Things were done in the 17th century You know the state had big power the

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Constantinian Settlement as it's known This was the case in the Roman Catholic countries the

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Lutherans the reformed Actually in the Netherlands the state probably had The state allowed more freedom than practically anywhere else in Europe at this stage

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So then is that issue about the power of the state over the church? Yeah, and Leonard Verdun definitely opposed to it

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I don't really fault him so much for that, but I I think his view of the Anabaptists and as attacks and criticisms of the reformed churches are are totally over the top and How the

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Christian reformed churches could have allowed Leonard Verdun to write a book like that and you know attacking the?

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Reformers and the reformed creeds and not not tap them on the shoulder and say look look mate

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You're not just teaching a certain view of church and state here Which the CRC wouldn't have much problem with at that stage especially because of their footnote to an article in the

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Belgian Confession But he he backs up these Anabaptists and these totally different view of the

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Anabaptists and the reformed Confessions, and I should say here Anabaptists of the 16th century were charismatics

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Mystic all of them were Arminian. I haven't found one that wasn't Their doctrine of Scripture they weren't even really interested in theology

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So Verdun, I don't know to be honest what Verdun was doing the canons of Dort Sorry the

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Synod of Dort also came up with a formula of subscription So that ministers in that tradition would subscribe to the articles of the three forms of unity and they're resolved by God's grace to refute all heresies repugnant thereto and Mr..

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Verdun, I mean must be dead, but I I I don't know what he did with Otto because he certainly didn't didn't maintain it

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Before we return to Angus Stewart Who is our guest today? We just have some important announcements to make

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Regarding upcoming events and two of them involve our guest the first event that we want you to know about is the original five points of Calvinism conference a mini conference

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Celebrating the 400th anniversary of the Canons of Dort which will actually be held at the church where our guest is the pastor the

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Covenant Protestant Reformed Church of Ballymena, Northern Ireland the conference takes place a week from tomorrow

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Saturday April 13th and then on Wednesday April 17th and Then on Wednesday May 1st and the speaker is our friend

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David angles Ma who's been a guest on this program a number of times and he is going to be speaking

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Obviously on the Canons of Dort if you live in Northern Ireland Or you have family friends and loved ones there that you want to inform about this conference

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You can send them to the website CPRF as in fellowship dot see you dot

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UK. That's CP for Covenant Protestant RF for reform fellowship dot co dot

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UK and that website will have the details on how you can attend this Conference featuring dr.

01:13:55

Or should I say professor? David angles ma then after that Our guest today is one of a number of speakers himself at a different conference here in the

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United States, in fact, it will be held at the Trinity Protestant Reformed Church of Hudsonville, Michigan and That is dort 400 and that's going to be held

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April 25th 26th and 27th That's Thursday Friday and Saturday just in a couple of weeks from now

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Other speakers include professor Ronald Kamanga who's been a guest here on our interpreters on radio

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Professor Barrett gritters who we would love to have on the show and are awaiting his response his invitation to come on Reverend Brian Heisinger another guest that we have not yet had that we are looking forward to interviewing and Professor Doug Kuiper who was just our guest along with David angles ma day before yesterday on April the 3rd.

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He was with us Reverend Bill Langer AC another brother. We are awaiting to hear from him in response to our invitation to to interview him

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Reverend Angus Stewart Will be preaching at this conference as well. That's dort 400 and It's April 25th through the 27th

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and put advertising in the subject line and now we are returning to our guest today Angus Stewart and we are talking about the doctrines of sovereign grace in Northern Ireland and Other things connected to that the

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Senate of Dort the canons of Dort the three forms of unity the conferences coming up that is

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Chris Arnson at gmail .com if you have a question Chris Arnson at gmail .com and Before I go on to a listener question

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Angus I wanted to just have a couple of things clarified about Leonard Verdu and I don't know if I'm mispronouncing his name

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But I remember reading that book back in the 1980s or early 90s when

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I was a new Christian and I have grown much further since then as one would hope

01:23:30

Some might disagree with that that description of myself but but I think one thing that he got right, which is a very serious matter from church history is that The magisterial reformers did not treat

01:23:45

The Anabaptists and I think a Christian like manner with when they were overly harsh with them even to the point of death

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I mean we do have Even though Martin Luther never ordered the death of any Anabaptist.

01:23:58

He did not grant them safe passage which led to the execution of many from what

01:24:05

I understand from church history and We even have even much more recent in history, even though it was hundreds of years ago is

01:24:11

More recent than the Reformation days. We have Puritans who on occasion had executed

01:24:20

Baptists even even those that were not Anabaptists but the more theologically developed

01:24:26

Baptists because of their views and that's another thing I wanted to distinguish is between the Anabaptists of the 16th century and those that are known as Baptists, especially reformed

01:24:36

Baptists who would have so much in common with our Calvinistic brothers of different denominations, but have a different view on the ordinance of baptism

01:24:44

But if you have anything to say about what I just said, are you there brother?

01:24:52

Oh I forgot I have to I Forgot that our brother had to hang up before Okay, so we're waiting for We're waiting for Angus Stewart to call back because I completely forgot because of the areas

01:25:14

Hello Angus. I completely forgot that you had to hang up before. I'm sorry about that I'm back.

01:25:20

All right. Yes. I'm sorry about that, brother What I was saying before I realized that you weren't there

01:25:29

It's okay. I heard it from the computer. Okay, great I'm fine with what you said, and I'm willing to launch into Calvinism in Ireland great and Let me just before we run out of time.

01:25:43

I have one question from a listener Very simple and yet The probably the most important question someone can ask especially if they are not born again

01:25:57

We have Stephanie in Hamilton, Michigan who says so what must man do to be saved?

01:26:05

Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ repent of their sins Trust in him and your house

01:26:13

Acts 16 verse 31 Amen Amen, and and I think that that is the biblical and correct answer as Deposed as opposed to Harold camping who passed away a number of years ago

01:26:29

I don't know if you recall or were aware of Harold camping, but he had a very hyper Calvinistic response to that Question he would just say there's nothing you could do to be saved now

01:26:40

There's an element of truth in that of course we cannot save ourselves But what you said is a more biblically based answer

01:26:48

I Wasn't aware. I'm aware of Harold camping and some of his views, but I wasn't aware of his hyper

01:26:55

Calvinist answer Yeah, and he well he he wasn't like thoroughly and logically consistent in his hyper

01:27:01

Calvinism And in fact he got even worse than some heresies and had a aberrant view of the Trinity in fact he wound up denying

01:27:09

Calvinism before his death He didn't he wound up denying the three forms of unity and Historical Calvinism and all sorts of other things he had a very strange view of Something that could be related to patrae passionism that the father also suffered on the cross very strange things, but anyway

01:27:32

To move on to go ahead. I'm sorry or the lady who asked that question

01:27:37

You know if if that lady is is not a believer in Jesus But let's just say for the sake of argument for anyone out there

01:27:44

Who isn't you know they cannot know whether they're elect or reprobate whether God has chosen to salvation or not?

01:27:52

They're calling and the calling of the minister or any Christian is to tell them the good news of Jesus Christ death on the cross that salvation is only in him and That through believing we are brought into an everlasting kingdom our sins are washed away we have peace with God and we're granted everlasting life, and if someone is really interested in this and Concerned about their soul

01:28:18

This is this is a very encouraging thing Maybe the Lord is drawing them press on into the kingdom and trust in Jesus Christ That's our message to such people and we love to meet people like that Because most of the people we meet really have no interest

01:28:34

But the Lord opens the heart of Lydia And he opens the hearts of other people so that they attend to the things that they've heard and may there be many many more of them

01:28:44

Amen, well let's move on to the heart of our theme today the doctrines of sovereign grace in Northern Ireland and let me begin with a question that I think has probably some connection to that Theme your name sounds

01:28:59

Scottish And I have a feeling that the Ulster Scots the descendants of the

01:29:08

Scottish immigrants to Ireland Northern Ireland have a lot to do with the doctrines of sovereign grace in Northern Ireland, but if you could

01:29:16

Answer my question. Why do you am I correct in saying that your name is very Scottish or is that a common?

01:29:22

name for an Ulster men as well It's very Scottish Chris you might be interested in how

01:29:28

I got my name. Yes. I am it involves a story That involves my father and my mother

01:29:36

My mother wanted to call me Angus and my dad wanted to call me William and They decided to to draw

01:29:46

Lots out of a hat little bits of paper. So I've got the hat all the bits paper and mum was to pick and She picked out of the half a piece of paper that said on William Then just to be a hundred percent sure and no one know that my dad likes a bit of a laugh

01:30:05

She checked the other bits of paper in the hat and they all said William Had lost by by default and that my name therefore must go down as Angus So dad recognized when when his defeat and he he acknowledged that so Angus it is

01:30:24

I've two younger brothers My mom then went on a on a winning trail and my two other brothers

01:30:30

Douglas and Cameron Who were named who were born after me? They also the good Scottish names so Angus Douglas and Cameron your question though more seriously about the

01:30:41

Ulster Scots That was a key part in the bringing of Calvinism to Ulster or Northern Ireland The plantation of Ulster began after the flight of the

01:30:53

Earl's in 1607 so King James the first of King James Bible theme who also had a major hand in the calling of the

01:31:01

Senate of Dort 1618 1619 proceeded to give land in Ireland to Protestant people from the lowlands of Scotland and from England.

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This was a big incursion of reformed Christians people who later on would subscribe to the

01:31:21

Westminster Confession of Faith, which is written in the 1640s if we move ahead to that period

01:31:28

John Owen the great Congregationalist theologian and some believed to be

01:31:35

Britain's greatest theologian and he wrote the great death of death in the death of Christ unlimited atonement

01:31:42

Possibly probably the best one volume work ever written on the subject He was over in Ireland, especially in the

01:31:48

Dublin area. So then various Presbyterian churches from the early 1600s took a while to get organized and form presbyteries and so forth but that was

01:32:01

Calvinism in there. We should also jump back to st. Patrick St.

01:32:08

Patrick St. Patrick was not a Pelagian or a semi Pelagian here were in the 5th century

01:32:15

AD St. Patrick taught that salvation was a gift of God He taught that man is sinful that we owe all of our deliverance of sin and misery purely to God's grace and Patrick has a very charming statement in his confession

01:32:39

That shows that the climate in Ireland hasn't changed much He says before I was humiliated.

01:32:48

I Was like a stone that lies in deep mud Lots of stones in Ireland lots of deep mud because there's a lot of rain and he who is mighty came and in his compassion raised me up and exalted me very high and Placed me on the top of the wall

01:33:07

He speaks about salvation and Jesus Christ God's great gift God's great grace

01:33:14

Praising and confessing his wonderful works and his great acts of kindness So st.

01:33:20

Patrick was a man who trusted in Jesus. He had a father and Grandfather one was an elder one was a deacon

01:33:30

He was captured from probably Western Britain by Irish pirates brought over to Ireland all this time.

01:33:39

He's an unbeliever and Then he was converted and God brought him back to Ireland as a missionary.

01:33:46

He was an amazing missionary He believed that Ireland was as far west as you could go his confession

01:33:53

He didn't didn't realize that there was an America or a Canada or a Mexico or the new world He believed that he was part of the great missionary work and bringing the gospel to the

01:34:02

West So so to speak of some would take care of the north and south and east then he could hasten the return of Jesus Christ so a lot of people converted and then the

01:34:13

Irish Church was built up and around the time after Patrick the Roman Empire collapsed in the

01:34:23

West and the barbarians came in the churches were really struggling and God by his grace planted

01:34:31

Christianity in Ireland Then it became known as the island of or the land of Saints and scholars sent missionaries to Scotland then they moved it to England then they went to the

01:34:42

Netherlands and Germany and further further east and south to Switzerland and Italy and so forth.

01:34:49

So there was a great work of God there too in Ireland I meant in fact, yes when you were talking about the

01:34:57

Raids of the barbarians that was reminded that Dublin is actually an ancient

01:35:02

Scandinavian name because of the Vikings That had come to Ireland Yes, the the

01:35:09

Vikings All the major cities on the island of Ireland Limerick wherever Magoon is

01:35:16

Belfast and Northern Ireland Londonderry Dublin Wexford Waterford They're all developed by the

01:35:24

Vikings and their long bows Not their long bows. That's different. They're they're long ships

01:35:30

Long boats long boats. Yes. Now. Why is it that?

01:35:37

later on in history You had a development in Ireland Where you had the south?

01:35:47

Being predominantly Roman Catholic in the north being predominantly Protestant What do you think do you think your bias is a mystery

01:36:05

I Feel like Patrick that I could be sinking into deep mud here Maybe even like a moon that goes down like David and Sam 69 that I may not be able to get out of it

01:36:16

Well If you want me to move on to another issue one thing that I think

01:36:22

My effort you and Dublin might be listening and I could get myself into trouble Well one thing that I wanted to have clarified that since we're talking about the doctrines of grace in Northern Ireland There are some who have a misconception

01:36:41

In regard to those Folks in Northern Ireland who are

01:36:46

Protestant who committed atrocities That were equally as heinous to those in the

01:36:53

IRA We're not really to consider these people on the

01:36:58

Protestant side of the The troubles I'm not I'm not talking about all of the

01:37:03

Protestants But the ones that were involved in in acts of terror and so on These were not people who were theologically driven were they that were that we would consider our brothers in Christ Representing the true

01:37:16

Church of the Protestant faith historically and so on they just happened to wear the label

01:37:22

Am I right just like many people nominally wear the label Protestant today? Yes, that's very well put

01:37:28

Chris the people who were engaged in terrorist activity from the quote -unquote

01:37:36

Protestant or Unionist or non Roman Catholic side were not

01:37:43

Church -going people Who were not listening to sermons of thou shalt not commit

01:37:50

Murder thou shalt not kill and Understanding that within the framework of the gospel of grace that this is a fruit of fruit of gratitude.

01:37:59

They were people who They were really a sort of a criminal underclass

01:38:06

You know that they didn't know justification by faith alone or what the theological issues are regarding the mass or Free will but I will say that the left -wing press

01:38:21

Seemed as a light in calling them Protestants For probably to slur the name of Jesus Christ and to promote a secular anti -christian

01:38:34

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Angus Stewart, I can already tell that I would love to have Pastor Angus back on the program and I look forward to these opportunities

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When the future to have him return to iron sharpens iron radio, we have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania who wants to know could you give us an idea of what percentage of Churches in Northern Ireland today are faithful to the doctrines of sovereign grace and reform theology

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Just as Scotland was a land once rich with these things that seems to have become nearly completely apostate

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And you have even the Republic of Ireland who doesn't even withhold the

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Roman Catholic truths that we could agree upon like the sanctity of human life and God's design for marriage

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What is it like in Northern Ireland in regards to those who are remaining steadfast with the truth?

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Arnie shows a Good familiarity with the way things are in the

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British Isles at the minute without boasting Because there is no room for boasting because of the gospel of grace.

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I Would say that the church scene in Northern Ireland is is probably better That's better the

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Republic of Ireland Scotland's getting very liberal socialist

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Anti -christian though. There are some good churches there England and wheels things aren't the way they were there.

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So there are many parts of the United Kingdom where they would say that Northern Ireland is is

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Is the way things used to be some years ago in their parts of the

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UK But there is a decline Northern Ireland is significantly less

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Christian and less Reformed than it was say 10 years ago or 20 years ago the deadly the deadening secularism and Atheism and despair

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Humanism that ruins human beings is Affecting here and God turns his turns away.

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He gathers his elect and then when people begin to Harden their hearts and may improve on faithful so that the

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UK the British Isles and Europe generally the gospel is spreading more into parts of South America or Africa or Eastern Asia That's the general pattern

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It's a very very sad thing, but we're busy by God's grace in the word we're having a conference we preach the word and get out every way we can and We send out a covenant reform news by email to hundreds of addresses throughout the

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UK Europe and around the world. Yeah, maybe some of your listeners would be interested in that if you email me at pastor at CPRC .co

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.uk Pastor at CPRC .co .uk Because it's better to spread the light than curse the darkness

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Amen, and if you could give us a summary a very brief summary of the two events that you are involved in The first one is where you are a host of Professor David Engelsma the original five points of Calvinism Conference on the four for the 400th anniversary of the cannons of Dort which is taking place a week from tomorrow

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April 13th and Then we have Wednesday April 17th and Wednesday May 1st if you could tell us a brief summary about that and and then also

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The conference where you'll be speaking here in the United States Dort 400 Yes, our church in Northern Ireland is as far as I know the only congregation in The province that holds the canons of Dort as its own creed

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Wow so We who not only have it on paper as our creed, but believe it and love it we thought we have to do something for the 400th anniversary of Dort and then we thought we need a man who embodies the

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Senate of Dort who is the Embodiment of Sovereign Grace and we thought we need

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Professor Engelsma So amen Are bringing over him and his wife.

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We're picking him up at the airport on Thursday morning coming Lord willing The ladies are pulling out all the stops for this mini conference on Saturday the 13th of April We believe in Sovereign Grace 13 is a unlucky for some the pagan faith

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Sovereign Grace that'll help you remember at the 13th of April So prof Engels was going to give two lectures on that morning with lunch

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I think there's some some soup there. Even some of the men are bringing soup. So we're really

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There then we have prof Engels was speaking on the defense of the gospel Wednesday the 17th and other decisions of the

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Dort Synod on Wednesday the 1st of May he takes questions The speeches will be going forth live online as do as all our services do

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We have people with five guys coming across from Hungary this

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Wednesday they're going to be staying with Mary and I with a guy flying in from Germany and We've about half a dozen we believe coming in from wheels and hopefully

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Joe Joe from Dublin personal invitations to Joe Joe Head up the m1 and join us.

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Give me a good handshake, and I'd love to meet your brother Great, and I misspoke about Joe is one of the oldest

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I don't mean in his personal age But he has been listening to iron sharpens iron radio since we first launched in 2005

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And he used to be in Dublin now. He's in a thigh Which is about an hour away,

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I understand But I hope I hope he attends your conference though So do

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I and last but not least the door 400 if you could in about 30 seconds

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Let our listeners know about that again is a three -day conference sponsored by the Protestant Reformed Theological Seminary There will be seven main speeches professor

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Russell Dykstra is going to give little historical vignettes Which should be interesting to and then at the end of the conference is going to be a panel

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Discussion this is in West Michigan in the Grand Rapids area the website is dort 400 dot org by the way my wife's here, and she says mention our website

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She says mention that we have 25 Languages the cans of dort on our website including

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Latin the original I'm a little flag of the Vatican decided because we've applied by all our

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Languages, and we couldn't think of anyone speaks Latin apart And I hope the

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Pope and all Latin speakers read it and get a grip on the gospel of grace And if you have any translators out there, we have about two thousand five hundred

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Translations on our website if they could email me at pastor at CPR C.

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Dot co .uk We give books for translators We're keen to post out good reform books because we have a bookstore

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And we also have a CPR see YouTube channel, and I'm in was involved in a TV debate on 2008

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Calvinism vs Arminianism so it's CPR see and I if you search that on YouTube my wife told me that I have to say these things and So I always left well almost always listen to my wife

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And somebody else Happy here somebody else told me to plug the fact that you have the three forms of unity or at least the cannons of Dorton all

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Languages and I've plum forgot some glass. I'm glad your wife reminded you to do that and that's a great

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CPRF as in fellowship dot co dot UK CPR F is in fellowship dot co dot

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UK. Thank you so much for being my guest today Angus I look forward to your return And we'll hope everybody has a safe and blessed and joyful weekend and Lord's Day And I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater