Open Q&A

It's fascinating to me how easily someone in one religion can find the fallacies and

biases in another religion.

I think that what's fascinating...

You're razor sharp on your criticism of Islam here.

Yeah, but what I find fascinating, Jeff, is that you recognize that with other religions, but you don't

do it with your own.

Because I...

That may be the case.

And there's that confirmation bias coming up again.

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We can answer.

We can answer any question that you have about God and the Bible.

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Well, come on in.

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We're doing a live Q &A, so any questions are good.

You can put them...

If you're watching on YouTube, you could put those in the chat.

I forget which...

Some of the Facebook pages, we see.

Some we don't.

I haven't seen Twitter questions come up.

If you're on Twitter, ask a question so we can see if that shows up.

There may not be a way to do that in Twitter, but hey, we're also on the Wisdom app.

So if you're on Wisdom, you can ask questions there.

Our best thing to do, though, is go to ApologeticsLive .com, and there

you can watch it, but also if you scroll down, you'll see the little duck icon, which is the icon for StreamYard,

and that is the best way is to come on in and ask your question.

We can answer any question that you have about God and the Bible, and if I say, I don't know, just remember that's a

perfectly good answer.

I always have to say that because people think I'm just being...

I was accused of being arrogant.

Let me bring Drew in here.

Drew, I was accused of being arrogant once because I said, I can answer any question that people have

about God and the Bible, and they were like, oh, really?

So you just think you can answer anything?

You think you're God, you know?

No, I think I don't know is a perfectly good answer.

I say it often.

In fact, we said it last week.

Now, let's start before people come in with some questions.

We had some things go on last week, and there's been some, ooh, some chatter?

Yes, chatter.

Oh, let me just give a note to Facebook user here who said, good evening.

Whoever you are, go to apologetaxlive .com.

There's instructions to tell you how to get your name to show up so we know who is telling us

good evening.

So there's been a ton of chatter, and one of the things that happened was we had a black

Hebrew Israelite.

Oh, I'm sorry.

We have a black Hebrew Israelite now because they're, they were.

It's derogatory and offensive.

No, no, no.

He told us why.

Because now, somehow, it's not just the black slaves that are the Israelites.

It includes the black and brown people.

So Black Lives Matter, it opened it up, and they realize they need to have to, you know, pull Hispanics in,

too, to their racist cult.

They're Native Americans.

Really?

Really.

Yeah.

I think that's what he said.

I have to go back and listen to that.

Okay.

If he said it, I missed that.

But, so one of the things he did do is he put up, the first time he came in, he put up the segment

he was on this show.

He zoomed in so that Striving Fraternity wasn't shown that, you know, he cut all that

out.

And then what he did was he just played it.

And so I flagged him for copyright.

Well, he did one more.

So what happened was is he decided to get, I guess, shall we say smarter?

I don't know.

He decided to put something up.

So let me first show this one.

Let's see.

Here it is.

So this, if you can see, is this guy's channel.

And notice, I don't hide the channels.

You could see it.

But I want you to see, if you see on the screen, this is not cropped out.

And it says, Osh Returns to Christian Channel Gets Ambushed by Maul One.

Now that is a reference to vocab Malone,

Maul One.

Now here's the thing.

This is, I want you to notice, right underneath that, what does it say?

Unlisted.

What this character did was put the full show without

comment on his channel.

And says it here that he's, that we ambushed him.

So now, Drew, we remember this guy said that he thinks that it's okay to lie to

those of us who don't believe like him.

Right, right.

We're Gentiles.

We're his enemy, so it's okay to lie to us.

But notice he's lying to his own audience.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's not lying to me or us or others that don't.

He's lying to his own audience.

So when you accept lying, hey, anything goes.

And so that's exactly what we see here he's doing.

He ends up saying he got ambushed.

It was no ambush.

An ambush would have been -.

He voluntarily came on and knew that we were going to be on here.

And how many guys the week before, a couple weeks before, did he have with him?

Was it like six or seven?

That were trying to come on, yeah.

Yeah.

And so he said, hey, I'm going to bring two or three friends.

And he brought a whole crew.

And he kept saying, well, that's my buddy, that's my buddy.

Like his crew, his commander, his captain, whatever he was saying.

And so now the thing is, is the way YouTube works.

I can't flag this because I can't see the link.

Right.

Well, I'll reach out to YouTube and find other ways to get

this flag.

Because basically he's doing the same behavior.

All right.

And so this was one that you sent to me.

That was done.

Let's see.

Was it this one?

Yeah.

Oh no, that's the same one that I just had up.

Sorry.

My bad.

I'm trying to get to the one that you sent me.

So you knew that this guy was doing exactly what vocab said.

He gets on these channels so that he can build some stuff for himself.

The reason vocab said that is like I went and checked.

So did I.

If he was doing that and sure enough.

Here it is right here.

The other one I took down.

Here he did a live.

But notice the name of this one.

You must see vocabmal1 has an emotional

meltdown.

Okay.

And so the reason I want to show this is notice that the video that I just put up is not listed

there.

Okay.

So it's not there for us to see.

All right.

So here's the video that you sent me.

And this is the full thing.

That vocab has an emotional meltdown live on Christian panel.

And he says I went back to speak to the Christian panel.

And they brought vocab on to get me.

I can't make this stuff up.

So let's be clear.

Asher, you lied to your congregation.

Your people.

Your folk.

Because he wasn't brought in to get you.

In fact, I was texting with him.

I asked him if he wanted to come in earlier that week to say hey we got some people.

You know black Hebrew Israelites better than I.

If you'd want to come in.

And he said he was watching but didn't want to come in.

So if it was what you claimed, he would have been in early.

He would have been in at the beginning.

Now I want you to see something.

Notice what he did.

He's clipped out.

You see how striving fraternities cut out everywhere.

He zoomed in and then stuck his logo on the top.

This is I think this can be flagged.

And I will be trying to with YouTube to flag this.

Because this one is purposely doing it

to remove the citation.

To remove where he got it from.

There's nothing in there where he links to it.

Cites it.

So purposely trying to avoid.

So that's some of the drama.

Now you were actually in.

I went into one feed and they were warning me.

I better watch myself.

They're going to get me.

I'm in trouble with God.

Because I'm speaking against the anointed.

Wait.

I'm sorry.

That sounds exactly like Benny Hinn.

And he's really white.

He wears a white suit and everything.

But you decided to engage with them.

And there were no problems.

They were really sweet to you, weren't they?

Oh, tremendously.

Yeah.

So I sent in a couple of comments.

And they wanted me to come in and join the show.

Because they do StreamYard.

You were a coward because you didn't do it.

I'm a coward.

Except I was working.

Maybe they should try that.

Yeah.

If you know me, you know that I do FedEx.

And so while I'm driving.

And so while I'm driving.

What I have is I have a camera.

That sees my entire cab.

And then it sees down my truck.

Now that camera will flag.

If I'm driving and holding my phone.

Talking on my phone.

Doing anything like that.

And if DOT catches me doing any of those things.

I lose my DOT card.

And so now I told them.

I said when I pull up to stops.

I can text.

I can send a little comment.

I can go deliver the package.

I can come back and send another comment.

Boom.

And then I'm on.

And they had a fit that I wouldn't come on.

Or I wouldn't pull over.

Stop my day for them.

Because you're on a clock.

You're on a schedule.

By the way Jason Cave says 14 watching on here.

Hit those likes.

Actually there's more than that watching.

You're just seeing those on YouTube.

So not enough watching on YouTube.

But yeah folks.

We wouldn't mind if you would share this out.

Even right now.

Share it on different social media.

That helps others to get in here.

Get their questions answered.

We would like that.

Anyone on wisdom.

If you want to let others know.

If you got any questions on wisdom.

We can bring you up here in wisdom as well.

So we do have a couple questions in the chat.

But we do have someone backstage.

Oh no.

This is dangerous.

We're going to have to bring in the one.

The only.

The chicken man.

It's getting close.

Although his video is not coming up.

John.

The chicken man.

He's finally taken the name that was dubbed him.

It's getting summertime.

So we may get to the point where we start seeing some chickens again.

For folks who don't know.

John would come in every week.

Even when he's backstage.

He'd sit backstage.

We'd watch him sitting outside.

And all the chickens run around him.

But it looks like he's either frozen.

Actually he looks like.

He looks like he just was a.

You know.

A wax figure that melted.

He keeps moving.

So his camera can't fix it.

There we go.

Now we see his glasses and his beard.

John do you have any questions for us tonight?

Who knows if his internet is even working.

Doesn't seem to be.

Yep.

It's not working.

So we'll put John backstage.

And John you can just type your questions in that you have.

So with that.

By the way.

I do want to give a shout out.

For folks to.

Another podcast to listen to.

Folks don't know.

Apologetics Live is a podcast as well.

So we don't only do the video live.

But if you prefer.

Audio.

You can go to any podcast app.

Subscribe to Apologetics Live.

And you'll be able to.

Listen to the shows.

I usually get them up as soon as the show ends.

I try to get them up right away.

Sometimes the next day.

And I do encourage you always to be listening to my other podcast.

Andrew Rapport's Rap Report.

Just search for Rap Report.

That's rap with two Ps.

You'll find that one.

But another podcast.

Other than yours.

I know.

Matter of theology.

That you're never actually on.

I actually.

I recorded.

Can you say that?

Just so I couldn't say that?

Just so you couldn't say it.

I recorded one.

I recorded a Dead Guys Reader Society.

On the autobiography of George Mueller.

But that's not matter of theology.

It is because we started it.

We produce it.

I sent it to Chris.

But Chris just hasn't posted it yet.

So you can blame Chris.

Look.

You know.

It's because you guys wanted to go over to the Bar Network.

If you stayed with us.

It's easy to put it up.

You could have done it.

Don't look at me.

So.

Though you are still with us.

Because we're different.

We allow people to.

We don't care if they're with other networks and things.

We'll still work together and promote.

So another podcast though.

For folks to consider checking out.

Is Conversations That Matter.

If you're not listening to that.

You're missing quite a bit.

John Harris.

I've had him on here before.

When we talked about Keller.

Because he's done a lot of work.

Here's the thing.

Drew.

You'll probably pick up on this as well.

You get a lot of people that want to do discernment.

They do discernment ministries.

And when they do discernment ministries.

They usually break a story.

Get something good.

Where they figure something out.

Someone's doing something bad.

And they expose it.

And then typically what happens is.

They go.

We got to keep this going.

And so in order to keep it going.

What they do is.

They look for something.

For someone to expose.

So they got to find something.

And in the process.

Sometimes when they start having trouble.

Finding things.

We'll take a corner here.

We'll cut a corner there.

We'll do different things.

And they start making stuff up.

One of the things I like about John Harris.

On Conversation Matters.

He does do discernment.

But he's one of these guys that does his research first.

And he doesn't do just discernment.

So he does a lot on.

What's going on in Southern Baptist.

What's going on in woke Christianity.

He exposes a lot of that.

But he's not looking for someone to expose.

But when he does talk on things.

He's got a lot of good content.

And he's coming under fire right now.

Because he's got the nerve.

To let both sides speak.

And so there's been.

A book that came out.

Steve Wolf wrote a book on.

Christian nationalism.

And because he had him on.

It's like.

Oh well you're in his camp.

He actually I think on those episodes.

Said he disagreed with some of the things.

That Steve Wolf was saying.

But people are giving him a hard time.

Well the reality is.

This is one of the problems I see in Christianity.

Is you got to be on.

In our camp or your.

It's not just Christianity.

It's everywhere.

But if you're not in our camp.

We cut you off completely.

Here's a guy that's saying.

Hey I'll let the other side speak.

I'm going to be having.

Oh I packed it.

I'm leaving for the Michiana.

Reforming families conference tomorrow.

I'll be doing a pre -conference.

Evangelism training.

With Hearts for the Lost.

And then the conference tomorrow.

I'll be speaking twice.

Once on the foundation of the family.

A second time on the role of women.

But I have a new book.

That I just got from Patrick Aventroth.

Called Covenant Theology.

When I get back from.

The family conference.

Then I have the new Puritan conference.

Put on by.

Cruciform Ministries.

When I get back from that.

I'm going to have Patrick on.

You go wait a minute Andrew.

Aren't you a dispensationalist?

Yes.

So what?

I've heard a lot of good things about the book.

And I talked to Patrick.

From what I've gathered.

It seems like it's going to be a good book.

I may not agree with it.

In fact I already know I won't.

But it doesn't mean that it's not.

There's not things I'm going to learn.

And I shouldn't have him on.

This is one of the things that I think is so lacking.

Christians.

What's that song?

They'll know we are Christians by our.

Hatred for one another.

I think that's it.

By our separation from one another.

By our being in our cage stages.

Or is it our love for one another?

Jason Cave.

That little icon you see next to his name.

Means that he's a member.

And you can be a member on YouTube.

That supports us.

And he's one of our supporters there.

So thank you Jason for that.

He says whatever happened to civil discourse?

Jason I think it went out the window.

I really think that it's lacking.

And you know here.

Bill is saying.

That's why Larry King was the best interviewer.

He let both sides speak.

And so.

You know.

This is what you end up seeing.

You know.

Just having someone on.

Means you're in their camp.

Well I guess I'm a black Hebrew Israelite now.

We let him actually talk.

Look this is my show.

I can come back.

And respond to everything he said.

I can remove him.

And take an extra hour to respond.

We've done that before.

Since you're a black Hebrew Israelite now.

Does that mean every time I agree with something.

I should yell out Khan?

Yeah I guess.

So what we end up seeing though.

Is this.

As we.

As we end up.

As we end up.

I didn't want that up.

I was trying to remove that comment.

But I guess I can't.

I can only block the user.

I guess we can't remove comments anymore.

From YouTube.

From this platform.

Take away functionality.

Probably YouTube did it.

So anyway.

John Harris at Conversations That Matter.

Is kind of come under some fire.

Just because of the fact that he.

Let's a different perspective speak.

Now he asked me my thoughts.

On.

Christian nationalism.

And I've been asked now.

Three times this week alone.

About this.

I will admit I haven't been.

Following stuff on social media.

Especially I guess Twitter.

There's some Twitter war going on.

Over this.

And I don't have time for the nonsense like that.

So here's the thing.

You know.

I've been asked what's my view with.

Christian nationalism.

So let's just look at this.

Christian nationalism is a term.

That the left came up with.

To attack Christians.

The purpose of it.

The purpose of the term Christian nationalism.

Is to make the case.

That Christians want.

To cause an insurrection.

So that they can arrest.

Every Christian.

Throw them in jail.

Throw them in gulags.

And then we are officially.

And ultimately a one party state.

Because the biggest strongest name.

Standing up against them.

And in their way.

Is in jail.

For insurrection.

How do I know this?

Because January 6th people are still in jail.

For insurrection.

Not a single person has been charged with insurrection.

And we have seen what?

Three insurrections in just the past couple of months.

They've gone into state capitol buildings.

And didn't just sit there.

And take selfies like January 6th did.

No.

They forced congress people out.

They took over the meetings.

The whole thing.

If there's any question with January 6th.

Here's the one thing you need to know.

You just need to look at the timeline.

And realize.

That the congress.

The senate.

Was removed.

They moved the senate out.

Before a single person was in the building.

And they moved them out.

Because people were in the building.

So they didn't disrupt.

This was planned.

There's no other way to explain it.

The fact that Pelosi and the mayor.

Had rejected.

All of the extra police force.

Knowing.

800 ,000 people were there.

They always try to do these million man marches.

For all these nonsense things.

This was the closest they ever came.

To a million person march.

Okay.

This should have been a big deal.

But it's not.

And so.

This is the thing that.

We end up seeing.

And so I look at this and say.

I'm against the term.

Christian nationalism.

Because of it's purpose.

And Christians are just playing right into the hands.

Because the major media.

Is using this to say.

Christians want to take over this country.

And make this country Christian.

And not let us.

They're forcing their religion on us.

This is how they're looking to use it.

Kind of like forcing their religion upon us.

Exactly. That's what they're trying to do.

And so.

The issue I have is that.

I don't necessarily think the terminology is good.

I am struggling.

Because when people ask me.

What do I think about Christian nationalism?

My response is.

Whose version?

Stephen Wolf.

Or.

Doug Wilson.

Or.

I just got a guy who I guess is running for Congress.

They want to send me his book.

And have him on the show.

To talk Christian nationalism.

And his view is different than the others.

So.

Whose view of Christian nationalism are we going to be evaluating?

And that's the thing that's been going on on Twitter.

Because at least what I noticed.

Because I'm not in the debate.

You've got one guy.

Addressing.

At least what it seems to me.

I think he's primarily addressing Stephen Wolf.

And so.

He's addressing Stephen Wolf's position.

But then you have all these other people.

That are in the Doug Wilson camp.

That are talking right past.

The guy that's.

That's addressing it.

And they just keep speaking past each other.

And they're not picking up.

That this one guy.

Is mainly just addressing Stephen Wolf.

But then he's also come to realize.

Okay well there are different versions.

Of Christian nationalism.

So what do you mean by the term?

Because each person like you said.

Has a different definition.

And you mentioned Doug Wilson.

Now.

Canon Press is the one who published.

Stephen Wolf's book.

But Canon Press.

Is owned by.

Doug Wilson.

And yet they have two different views.

If they have two different views.

It at least shows Doug Wilson is willing.

And maybe he doesn't have say in it.

Or didn't know.

I'm sure his son.

He feels so strongly about.

And talks about.

I think he did a documentary on.

How his church is trying to do it.

So yeah.

I'm looking at this going.

And the thing is.

He's more open to other views than his own.

Well from what I gain.

I don't think.

The people at Canon Press.

Agree with Stephen Wolf.

But they were willing to publish his view.

And that's the thing that I'm saying.

Right.

Here's.

KT is saying.

Civil discourse?

They censor people today.

Cancel the platform.

Push their visibility online.

But here's the thing KT.

That's not just.

The secularists doing it.

This is Christians too.

These are.

Believers supposedly.

Well I think most are.

But this is ministries.

Parachurch ministries.

That are doing this stuff.

Jason is saying.

That's the whole point of apologetics.

Stand firm and give a defense of the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

With discernment.

That's what we're trying to do.

KT has said.

With this term.

This being the left.

Are calling it a seditious conspiracy.

Which is the whole reason I don't want us to play into those hands.

She says.

I don't have a problem with the term.

But their problem is.

That they lump people together.

With non -Christians etc.

They're going after what they call.

Traditional Christians.

And what they mean by that is Catholics.

And that's why.

They're targeting Catholics.

Now.

Guess what folks.

The Catholics are maybe one group.

That's not going to stand up and fight back.

And so they'll go after them.

But guess who's right behind them.

When they're saying this.

That's why they're lumping biblical Christians with them.

So.

This is the reality.

What we have to see.

So all that to say.

My friend John Harris.

Is kind of caught under fire.

Just for letting a different.

Position I guess speak.

So go check out.

Conversations that matter for yourself.

And see whether or not.

He's being fair.

In his analysis of things.

And fair with.

His view.

Hold on right here.

Melissa Owen.

She makes a great point here.

Not to mention those that worship Trump.

Yeah.

In Georgia here.

There was a billboard that was put up.

With Trump on it.

That was quoting Isaiah 53.

As though it pertained to Donald Trump.

Well okay.

That's blasphemous.

I'm going to try to look.

I doubt very highly that I could find this.

There was.

So I won't.

I'm not going to be able to find it.

But there was someone who put up.

A picture.

Of someone holding.

A picture that was supposed to be Jesus.

With a make America great.

Hat on.

So.

I thought that was blasphemous.

But you're right.

Yours is even worse.

All right.

So let's get to some questions.

KT asked one early on.

So we'll put hers up first.

What is the worst question you've ever gotten?

Actually I should come back.

I think that was it.

Right there.

KT.

That is the worst question I've ever been.

I don't know.

I actually should have put this one up later.

So I had more time to think about it.

Because I really don't know what the worst question is.

You've been doing this a long time.

There's so many bad questions.

I've been asked.

Okay.

Let me get.

I'll tell you what.

I'm going to give one.

Let me go to this one.

Because this will help with it.

John is asking.

Question.

Is the earth flat?

So let me tell you a story.

How I first came upon flat earthers.

Okay.

And this will.

KT is saying.

She goes.

I stumped him.

So yes.

There you go.

Confounded.

So the first time I heard of flat earth.

This is one of these.

Where I wish I had a camera.

Flat.

Facebook user is saying.

No it's not flat.

Facebook user.

Please go out to Apologeticslive .com.

And follow the instructions for Facebook.

So we can know your name.

So.

I'm there.

We would go on the boardwalk.

We had a yearly event where we went down to Jersey boardwalk.

And what we did was.

We would have a conference.

After the conference.

We'd go take people.

We'd train them to evangelize.

And take them out on the streets to evangelize.

Oh.

I should have known better.

Facebook user.

Facebook user says.

It's me Haps.

Well of course.

He doesn't know how to use a computer.

I'm surprised he's even watching.

Haps Addison man.

Alright.

He's a good brother from Olive Branch Ministries.

Does a lot of work.

We're trying to help him to get moved out.

Okay.

This is a rabbit trail.

Rabbit trail on a rabbit trail.

I called.

I was talking to Haps yesterday.

And he says hey.

I got to go.

Code enforcement just showed up on my door again.

So I'm talking to him today.

And he says hey.

Did you want to know what.

No I want you guys to know.

What happened with his ministry is.

He's got a ministry to homeless people.

And the city used to bring people to him.

And he'd take care of them.

Disciple them.

They have church every day.

They have Bible studies.

He'd get them back on their feet.

Get them out working.

And help them out.

And so.

What happened is that the city came in.

And shut him down completely.

Just walked in.

And all his guys.

They were like I think 25 -30 guys.

They let five who were dying in hospice.

Who were dying with cancer.

Stay in the house.

And 20 -25 guys.

He had 24 hours to find new housing for them.

Just boom.

You're shut down.

Over.

And so he's trying to move to Idaho to restart.

So what happens.

I talked to him today.

He says yeah.

You want to know why code enforcement came yesterday.

I'm like why.

He goes you're never going to guess.

I'm like okay.

I won't guess.

Why.

He goes they wanted me to help out some homeless guy.

They wanted to get off the streets.

No way.

Yes way.

Are you kidding me.

You shut me down.

You shut our ministry down.

And now you want help.

But this is the world.

We know you're helping.

But you're a Christian.

We've got to shut you down.

So yeah.

All right.

So check out Haps Addison.

And Olive Branch Ministries.

They're on Facebook.

If you're on Facebook.

So I'm out on the boardwalk.

I'm with this older guy.

And he was much older.

And I paired up with him to go teach him how to evangelize.

And you know when you go evangelize you hear lots of things.

It's kind of like we had those black Hebrew Israelites.

I hadn't heard their position.

I didn't know where they're at.

So okay I'm going to listen.

I'm going to try to understand them.

Now granted it would have taken me a long time to understand.

We gave that guy like an hour and 40 minutes to finally get to the point.

And he never did.

And you know all of a sudden vocab comes in to point out where this guy is trying to go.

Because we're like okay we've given you all this time to speak.

What's the purpose right?

And so it wasn't really that vocab that we ambushed the guy.

Vocab was watching the whole time.

It's when we were saying hey what's the point of this that all of a sudden vocab goes let me get in and show these

guys what this guy is about.

So that we can know.

And we learned.

We learned a lot about him.

And thankfully he did too because vocab pointed out that we were actually trying to

understand and talk to him and let him have a place to speak and whatever.

But he was trying to take advantage of that.

Correct.

We didn't pick up on that.

Because.

He's saying son I needed first time hearing it.

I give a lot more grace to try to understand when someone does that.

So that's what we were doing.

Well that's what I'm doing with this one guy and he's telling me the earth is flat and I'm like I mean okay when you're evangelizing

here's the thing when you're doing a project and you hear something that seems crazy to you your

first reaction may be to laugh.

Don't do that.

I mean there's been plenty of times where I did that and I had to learn not to.

So this guy is telling me about flat earth and I'm like what really?

You believe the earth is flat?

Like I thought he was just I thought he was just some prankster playing a joke and

yet he's really believing it.

And I'm like wow okay.

So I'm trying to talk to him and reason with him and we get into I'm like what do you do with

people that walk on the moon and you know astronauts that we get pictures from space.

He's like oh it's all made up.

Now I'm talking to this guy for 40 minutes about give or take and

I'm like okay I am learning that there are people that believe in this part of me is also going dude

you're whack.

I mean this is just whacked out and I'm sitting there and so finally I'm

starting to realize like look this is not a good training for this gentleman who I'm with that I need to

train to evangelize.

That's what I'm out here for.

So we're not really getting to the gospel because of this.

It's more apologetic so I said you know so I wanted to end the conversation.

And I said well look I don't know that we really have much for us to talk about here.

I don't think that we're going to be in agreement and I think maybe we just

I looked at the gentleman whose name I don't know and I just said I think we just need to move on.

Now one of the rules that we give people when we evangelize is you don't butt into a conversation.

You wait until you're introduced in because if you and I are evangelizing somebody and you're talking to

that person and I just butt in.

He built the relationship with you.

You're the one talking.

It shows a disrespect for both you and the other gentleman.

So we don't do that.

If you want me to speak you say hey Andrew do you have anything to add to this?

That's how you invite me in.

I never did that with this guy because we weren't really sharing the gospel so he took that as an

invitation in because I said we're going to get going.

So here's the thing.

This is one of these mic drop moments.

The guy looks and he says he just looks at this gentleman and says you know I really don't

believe the earth is flat and I can tell you for a fact

that it's not a government conspiracy that astronauts go into space.

And the guy.

Goes oh yeah?

How could you do that?

And he goes because I've been there.

And I'm just like why didn't you say that about 20 minutes ago?

He's like I've been waiting to be invited into the conversation.

And it was just like we walked away and I'm like dude you're an astronaut?

He's like yeah.

I forget how many times now he said he circled the earth.

The lesson is next time you're evangelizing and you come up to a flat earther and you're with someone the first thing you do is go

hey have you been to space?

Just make sure.

Just make sure.

But that was when this guy asked me if I thought the earth was round I thought that was a

stupid question.

And so do I think the earth is a sphere?

Yes.

And actually on a show that Matt Slick and I used to do we had some

guys come in, flat earthers, and I jokingly said back then

my theory with flat earthers probably started from some atheist that just wanted to show that Christians would be gullible.

And sure enough that's what happened.

Well okay not an atheist an agnostic.

The head of the flat earth society, the guy who founded it, is an agnostic.

And yet most of the people are professing to be Christians and arguing that the Bible teaches the earth is flat.

And so this is the thing there's, so why do I think it?

Because the Bible does say the earth is round and they go oh round but not sphere.

Well they didn't, you know they don't have a word to be that precise round made the point.

But you can test this.

A simple test.

And a way I know is I remember I was in Florida and I wanted to watch

I was watching the sunset and we were sitting there over the,

you know, over the in the, like in my room and looking at the balcony and

there was a cloud that got in the way of the sunset.

And so you know, or sorry, it was a sunrise.

And so what I did was I quickly dropped to the floor and got the

picture I wanted.

In other words, that distance of dropping gave me the extra second for the sun to,

where it was just creeping up, that's what I wanted to get it just creeping up.

And that drop gave me another second for that to happen.

Why?

Because the Earth, if the Earth was flat, you wouldn't have that.

You can go to the you know, some place that has lots of mountains.

If the Earth was flat, you would see the light come from

one side to the other and it would come up the mountain range or it would come down

the mountain range, but you wouldn't have it go from the mountain range from one side to the other.

It would, you know, which is what you end up seeing.

You see it creep up, you're not going to have that if the Earth is flat.

So see, John is saying, I laughed at a flat earther on one of my

videos and was shocked how many people were very nasty at the comments.

I had to block the guy.

Flat earther are very convinced.

And let me tell you why, because I had a guy in my church who was, you know, in my old church and before I left that church,

the other elders asked, they said would you please talk to this guy and I didn't realize he got into flat earth and I

had met with him a couple times and I thought he came out of it and then he got back into it and part of what

it is, is they watch all these videos thinking to debunk it, thinking it's crazy, but all these guys have, you know, they

have a way of explaining everything and then they go, oh, see, it works.

You know, like here, look, look at all these experiments that were done first thing in the morning over water and

you could see further than you'd be able to see if the earth was a sphere.

Okay, here's the question.

Why can you only do that first thing in the morning over water at certain times of the

year?

Oh, it's because the temperature of the water and the temperature of the air, what happens as the sun

rises and you see that, it actually, the heat, the way that it works is it

reflects or refracts the light, so you could see a little bit further

because it's bouncing off and looking down, so you could see a little bit further, but guess what?

Ten minutes later that's not going to work anymore.

It's only first thing in the morning.

Why don't they do it at any other time of the day?

Because it won't work, that's why.

Right?

So, yeah, so, no, I don't believe the earth is flat.

I think that you can do experiments to show that.

There's some great work that's put out, has some stuff.

And I'm very confident in the people that have just gone to space.

Yeah.

I've met two people who've been in space.

So, yeah.

So, here's the thing.

I was actually invited, I don't know if you knew this, I was invited to speak at the Flat Earth Society for one of

their conferences.

Yes.

I have no idea why, but I got an invitation and I submitted my

talk.

Now, if I would want to, I've always said, I will go anywhere, I'll speak anywhere if they don't restrict what I say.

And so, I could have been more deceptive, but I chose not to be.

So, I submitted my talk title, Why the Earth Must Be a Sphere.

I never heard back.

I don't know why.

Can you imagine?

I can't imagine.

I mean, it seems like something, you know, that...

Yeah, I guess...

Like you were saying earlier, they're not up to having both sides speak.

You know?

So, yeah.

They flat out didn't want...

KT is saying they flat out didn't want Andrew around.

Yeah.

It was flat out.

You're right.

So, let's see.

So, D is saying, can you imagine all the governments agreeing to fool everyone that the

Earth is flat?

Yeah, because that's what's involved.

They talk about America fooling but it's not just America.

It's every country has to.

Agree with this.

You know?

Let's see.

Great comment here by Chris Honholdt.

You know, there are Flat Earthers all around the world.

Yep.

All around.

There's dad jokes.

He's just...

All right.

So, yeah.

So, I mean, I think that there's a lot of people...

So, how do people get involved with this or any other group like this where they get so arrogant and prideful

you can't communicate with them?

It usually starts off they're trying to look to prove something wrong.

And these Flat Earthers, they got tons of videos.

I mean, hours and hours and hours of videos.

I mean, this dude I knew had a watch that would show you where the Earth was and it

wasn't that it just went around but it would go in and out and around and that's how they could

account for seasons and things like this.

So...

That's a lot of explaining away to do.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And so, you know, this is the issue that you have is you

got to be careful with it.

Oh, here's someone saying, any longshoreman will tell you the Earth is not flat.

I was fishing up in the Berlin Straits.

You can definitely see the curvature of the Earth.

They would just say that you can't.

That's all.

They just say you're lying.

What it is, is you're actually seeing...

They think that around the Earth is Antarctica.

And so you can't get to the end of the Earth because it's all blocked by ice.

Now, why would there be ice though?

Because the sun would be...

And yet, the weird thing is they accept all the other planets around.

It's fierce.

Like, wait.

Why are they?

The Earth is the one.

Just the one that's flat.

Yeah.

I have seen where people have done...

They've taken a ball and they've splashed water on the ball and go, see, the

Earth can't be round because water doesn't stay on a round surface.

And then they take a plate and then they pour water on a plate and say, see, this is proof that the Earth is flat.

Okay, let's take that ball and enlarge it by a couple trillion

times.

And yeah, it will.

If they want to do that experiment properly, they take the ball,

put a drop of water on the top and see if it stays there.

So what happens is a lot of times you get, whether it's in flat Earth, Calvinism, anti

-Calvinism, whatever.

Some of these things, right, Calvinism, we're going to say, okay, this is biblical, but there's people who would

say are unbiblical with it as well.

When they get in there, you call it stage cage, they get angry and upset because

what you end up seeing is there are people who, what happens is they start getting into something, they study it

to refute it, but what ends up happening is they start believing the story.

And when that happens, then they can't be reasoned with because they start to identify

everything with it.

So, all that to get back to KT's question.

You know, KT, let me just say, when you say what's the worst question you've ever gotten, I'm thinking about it more and I have to say, what do you mean by

worst?

Because I mean, just in seriousness, there's a lot of different ways of answering this.

I mean, is it the worst question, like the dumbest thing someone's ever said?

Then, you know, I kind of put flat earth up in that area.

Or is it the most blasphemous thing I've ever heard?

So there's things like that.

So we might have to get back to that question.

We'll give her time.

John asked another question.

Regards to lying, have you ever heard of theocratic warfare

and JW religion?

Well, I've heard of the Jehovah Witnesses religion.

I'm not sure what theocratic warfare refers to.

I've never heard of that either.

Yeah.

If he can explain what it is, maybe we've heard it under a different title.

I don't know.

It doesn't sound familiar.

John, maybe what you could do is give a little bit more of explanation to that for us.

Ted just woke up.

Good morning, Ted.

Ted says, good morning, brothers from Sydney, Australia.

You know why?

It's morning down there.

Yeah.

I remember when Matt and I were doing a show and it was hilarious because we had a guy from India that was in.

And Matt, this was so great, Matt's like, wait, so how do you explain something?

He turns to the guy from India, he goes, can you open that window that's right behind you, the shade?

And the guy opens and goes, the sun is shining.

And Matt's looking and he goes, why is it dark in my area?

So so yeah.

I don't know the answer to that.

Maybe you can further give us more explanation.

And so, well, Donnie's pestering us.

Donnie thinks we didn't get to his question.

I'm doing them in order, but he has to post this twice.

So here's the first one he posted.

Andrew, why do all the false teachers get to visit heaven and you haven't?

Well, I unlike those guys, I actually will be in heaven.

True.

They only claim to visit heaven.

So why heaven?

Well, you know, it's actually a legitimate question.

Why do all these false teachers have heavenly experiences?

You notice they never have hell -like experiences.

Right.

Well, no, there was one.

There's one.

Was his name Don Piper?

I think.

No, he was in heaven.

I thought he did one about hell, though.

It was like 90.

Minutes in hell.

No, it's 90 minutes in heaven unless he tried to work off his bestseller and, you know.

Okay, so John said theocratic warfare.

JW is just on a herd.

I don't know much about it.

Yeah, sorry.

I'm not sure either.

There is someone I could ask and try to learn more, see if he knows.

So the reason for heaven is what these false teachers want is credibility.

And so they're looking to get

credibility.

You don't get credibility if you go to hell.

You get credibility if you've gone to heaven, and in heaven

Jesus serves you.

Now you say, no, that doesn't really happen.

Duplantis has told the story that one day he had a very

busy day, but he realized God sent a cable car to bring him up to heaven

because and I'm just going to say this is what he said.

I think it's blasphemous, but this is the story of the account he's given.

He went to heaven, he sees Jesus, and Jesus was depressed and sad.

And so Jesse Duplantis told Jesus he was

clearing his calendar for the day to spend time with Jesus.

And he was with him all morning, and after lunch Jesus thanked Jesse

Duplantis and said he's feeling much better and sent Jesse back to earth.

There's so much wrong with this story that Jesus needs Jesse Duplantis

as Chris Hanholds is saying, utter blasphemy.

I agree.

This is the problem with it.

By the way, Chris also said it was Bill Wise 23 minutes in hell.

I guess he had to be in hell longer than Don Piper was in heaven.

But that is blasphemy.

First off, God doesn't need any of us.

He doesn't need anything.

He is self -sufficient.

So there is nothing he needs.

So this idea that God needs someone and that he's depressed, blasphemy.

Well, God being triune tells you that he doesn't get depressed.

Because God is self -sufficient.

Kind of redundant self -sufficient in and of himself.

All three persons are the expression of God's love.

And so without the triune God, you would not be able to understand love, because love needs an object

for which to display itself.

And so the Father displays love to the Son, who displays love to the Spirit, who displays love to the Father, and they

display love to each other.

So God cannot be depressed.

There's not even a situation in which you could say God can be depressed.

It just doesn't work.

And not only that, let's just say for the sake of argument,

Jesus felt a little down.

He's not going to go to a heretic like Jesse Duplantis to cheer him up.

He would go to one of the other members of the Trinity?

Yeah.

I mean, if that was even...

So, I mean, that's the whole thing.

So why do they go?

They go because they're looking for credibility.

Jason Cave had a comment up here that said self -edification.

False gospel.

True.

Pastor Darren Steed says also, why is it that the false teacher always sees things in

heaven that are contrary to what the Bible says about heaven?

This is the thing.

When I read Don Piper's book 90 Minutes in

Heaven, so I guess he was in heaven longer.

I had the number wrong.

I read it saying, okay, a member of the church asked me to evaluate, and so I said, alright, I'm going to give an honest

evaluation.

What would I expect to see?

If a person went to heaven, what we see from Scripture is he would see how sinfully wicked he is

when he's standing in front of a holy God.

That's what we see in Isaiah 6.

That's what we see with everybody that stands before God.

They see their wickedness and want to hide their face from him because he's so holy

in their sinful body.

What did Paul say about heaven when he went up there?

Nothing.

He said he couldn't even describe it.

He couldn't talk about it.

As we think about that, you're going to get someone that's going to come back to earth and see their wickedness

and their concern for evangelism.

Early in Don's book, it seemed like he was very much concerned with people's souls.

He was in traction with this very painful device on so that he could be able to

walk again.

The majority of the book, most of the book, it's like one chapter of what happens in heaven, one

chapter or two chapters about what happened when he was revived and the struggle.

The rest of the book, he's concerned with people that have the same devices he has

and trying to encourage them.

Not with the gospel,.

But with himself as that they could heal.

Think about Burpo.

Heaven is for real.

In that book, it's supposed to be this account of this little boy's near -death experience and he goes to heaven and whatnot.

But that book also contains some sort of prophecy in

there because the father, Jesus told the little boy that his father was going to lead an

army in the Battle of Armageddon.

If his father hasn't died, he would say it still could happen.

You know, one of the things that I would say is this.

When we look at it, you have a guy like Malarkey.

Perfect name.

The father made it up to sell books.

The family admitted that.

The son that supposedly had the account said it wasn't true.

He and his mother said it and so what happened?

Nothing.

Lifeway continued selling that book because it was selling.

And this is one of the things Justin Peters called out.

He was involved with Lifeway and he said no.

This is wrong.

Get this off the shelves.

And so he ended up departing from Lifeway and the Southern Baptist.

But the reality is they knew.

They knew a year before they finally stopped.

The only reason they stopped was because a secular news company

brought it out.

So it blew up.

And it was like, oh, now they had to answer for it.

But you see so many of these false ministries that claim this, right?

Bethel is one of them.

There's videos of people who lead the youth in Bethel and kids talking

about how the kids are taking trips up to heaven.

You had Bob Jones, not of Bob Jones University, but Bob Jones from the Kansas City Prophets who

was a vile, vile individual talking about how he would take

regular trips up to heaven and then he would use what his quote -unquote gifts in order to

seduce women.

Yeah, and so this is the thing.

Look, this is the stuff that will keep you up at night.

Right?

I mean, that's just the reality.

False teachers, but if you are having trouble with them, I would suggest getting yourself a good MyPillow.

I mean, that's what I would suggest.

If you're having trouble if you're having trouble, Chris Honholtz, sleeping at night, what you need to do

is get yourself a good MyPillow.

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know that you heard about them through us so they continue sponsoring the show.

We do thank them for their sponsorship.

They did give me a MyPillow 2 .0 and it's in the bag right over there, ready for the trip

to, well, I fly to Chicago, but for the Minneapolis or however,

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You know, you.

Should send a pair of those MyPillow slippers to some of these false teachers and ask them if it's like

walking on clouds in heaven.

Oh,.

There we go.

Well, you know, we can ask Chris Honholtz because I actually did get a pair from

MyPillow and I gave them to Chris and I had to go buy my own.

So, okay, Chris, that's it.

Ban Chris.

Boot him.

He said, I'll be honest, it didn't work for me, but I'm rough on pillows.

No, you're just rough on everyone, not just your pillows, Chris.

It's not just the pillow that you're rough on.

All right, let's...

So, okay, here he says, he says about the slippers, they are indeed quite comfy slippers.

I got mine on right now and these are not the fluffy ones he has.

These are regular, but the cushion on this is great.

I mean, these are like...

Chris is hard on his pillows.

I'm hard on slippers.

I don't know why I destroy them, but I used to get the cheap ones, $10, $15 ones at

Costco and it wouldn't even last six months.

I'd get a winter...

Every year, I'd get a winter one and a summer one.

Every year because...

But I still...

I now have winter and summer my pillow slippers and they're still going good.

So, Jason says, nice segue, AR.

Hey, I got to be good with something.

I do those spiritual transition games.

So, we got a bunch of questions that came in.

Let's see if we can get through these quickly.

This is a longer one and some of which I...

I don't know if we'll get into, but...

Actually, I'll let you read this one so that I can get a sip of clear my throat.

Yeah, so.

Chris Cutler on Facebook, he asks, it seems many of the post

-reconstruction theonomic types arrive at the conclusion from

holding a Thomistic Thomas Aquinas view of God's law, the threefold.

There's been there's been lots to talk about theology being muddied

by Aquinas' influence.

I would agree.

But I find my Reformed brothers do not wish to look into this because it will do violence

to the confessions.

So, my question is, do you believe the threefold division of the law comes from Thomas Aquinas?

That's an interesting question.

So, I can say that my first I guess

introduction to threefold law was the Westminster Confession and not Aquinas.

If it's found with Thomas Aquinas, I don't think it makes any difference to me

because I don't believe in the threefold law.

Anyway, I don't think you can divide the 613 commandments

into civil ceremonial moral laws.

People try and I've said maybe it's out there.

If someone has it, send it to me.

But I don't know of anyone that's taken all

613 laws and shown how they divide because

they don't divide so easily as people say because I don't think it is that division.

I think that in my way of I do believe in a threefold

division but not the way that the Westminster Confession has it.

So, the way that I view the law is I believe that there is a law that is universal to all

people, all times, everywhere in the world.

Jewish, Gentile, believing, unbelieving.

You should not lie.

You should not steal.

These are things that I think are universal laws.

Everyone.

They're transcendent laws.

I think someone else on this show that came in referred to it as transcendent laws.

Actually, no, I think it was on my Rap Report podcast and it hasn't aired yet.

I think this came into discussion when we got the Dead Man Walking podcast

along with Conversations with a Calvinist podcast and the Rap Report podcast all got together and we

talked about Keith was talking from Conversations with a Calvinist was

talking about transcendent laws.

It's what I refer to as universal laws.

And then I believe there were laws for the nation of Israel.

And there were laws for the church.

And so, now as a dispensationalist, I would say that there would be different laws that could be for specific

people, specific times.

But what we end up seeing is I wouldn't see that we're responsible to keep that which

is was meant for the nation of Israel.

We're not Israel.

I'm Israel, but that's different.

So, I mean, that would be my position.

And that's why some people would say I'm not reformed.

In the proper use of the term, I wouldn't be because

I don't hold to confessional statements like that.

Drew, I don't know if you may disagree.

Well, I mean, my first introduction to...

You're a 1689.

So, my first introduction to the divisions was through Votie

Bauckham.

That was the first place I actually heard them.

And so, when I heard Votie teach on that, I was like, oh, well, then that must be true, of course.

Because Votie's saying it, and you never want to be on the wrong side of Votie, right?

Well, I can tell you one thing.

I would never want to roll with Votie doing jiu -jitsu because dude's a big,

strong dude.

And, you know, he's got to be...

I'm thinking he's got to be like a purple belt by now.

But, yeah.

Anyway.

And so,.

You know, I've never looked too far into it as where the divisions originally came from,

whether it was from Aquinas or anything like that.

But there are some laws.

You know, when I was listening to you talk about them, I was going, yeah, I would believe that there were laws for Israel.

You know, the holiness code.

But we also look at some of the laws and we see there are ceremonial laws.

So, laws that would be specific for worship.

And there are laws that because of Christ, Christ's fulfillment as the final sacrifice, well, we don't hold to those

laws anymore because they're fulfilled in Christ.

But I would say it is hard to kind of find where is the division with some

of the laws.

Because, you know, maybe you have a law that is a moral law, but it's also it can

also be a holiness code law.

Or it may bleed into a ceremonial.

Law.

But some may be for both.

You may have.

A command that's given to Israel that is also given to the church.

And yet still not be universal to all people.

And so, what we also see, especially being 1689, is kind of taking the general equity of

the law.

So, the general value of the law.

And moving that over.

So, it would be something like the we don't have

houses where we go sit on our roofs anymore.

Well, I mean, I guess in Florida or in California you probably do.

But in Israel, people would go at the end of the day and they would sit on the roof because it was cooler.

Well, you had to have a parapet along your roof to protect people.

Well, we could we would move that over today and say, well, since we don't go on our roof, but we do have

pools in our backyard.

And we have to have a fence around the pool in order to protect people.

Because if someone were to fall in my pool and drown, I'm responsible.

Right?

So, that's just the general equity.

Of the law.

Yeah.

So, oh, hey, look.

Our friend, he has a question about Leviticus 29.

But, well, we already know that you have are an admitted liar

who is a racist and a cheat.

As you go watch the beginning of this show, you and your buddy

who steal our material and want to use it without citation.

So, yeah.

We'll just keep.

Taking down all of the videos you want to put up illegally of ours and try to take out

the citation because you're a bunch of cowards and cheats.

So, yeah.

Hey, this is cool.

Lorraine, hello from Philippines.

I'm planning, we're planning a return trip to the Philippines.

We'll be there for, it looks like, next April.

So, looking forward to hanging out, hopefully.

You're going to do another debate with, what's his name?

R .A. Fuentes.

I'm actually thinking of doing that, actually, in person.

I bet he won't do it.

That's going to be my guess.

So, hello.

So, here's the question that I think was asked is, when does Chris Honhold start working for Striving Fraternity

as our chief blogger?

Look at this.

He put it up there.

First week of February 2024.

There you go.

That would be it.

We look forward to Chris being our chief blogger.

Alright.

That's what you want because when Chris writes something, you want to read it.

Yeah, I know.

And besides, his Twitters are too long now that he can...

He doesn't need to...

Alright, so let's knock off some more of these questions.

KT says, did the female singers in the Old Testament sing in the temple?

What part of the temple did the singers sing in?

I have no idea.

First off, I don't even know that there were female singers.

Andrew, confounded.

Yeah.

Unlike the way that the Black Hebrew Israelites claim that I'm confounded.

This is where I actually don't know.

So I guess, KT, I'll give you a homework assignment for me.

If you could find where it mentions the female singers because I'm not even familiar with that.

But where would they sing within the temple?

That's interesting because I guess part of the question is, if you go to the

temple today as we did, we went to the Temple Mount.

And you could see there's a division for the women and the men.

And so...

And part of their prayers are singing.

So it becomes the question of who are the singers?

I mean, there's a lot that are singing Psalms which are right from Scripture.

And so that becomes a thing of what defines a singer?

Was it a service?

Now, in the synagogue, I can understand you have a cantor who does the singing or leads the

singing.

And that would be a male position in the synagogue.

So that's something.

Yeah, I don't know that.

I don't know the answer.

Chris Honhold says, what was that about telling lies,

Andrew?

I'm not telling lies.

It's prophecy.

Because I will annoy Chris endlessly if he doesn't come and take over our bloggers, our

blogging and help out.

I'm just, you know.

All right.

So KT edited the question earlier.

What's the craziest question you've ever gotten?

I don't know what the craziest one was.

I mean, a flat earth?

Some of these Black Hebrew...

Let's not call them Black Hebrew.

They don't want to be Black Hebrew Israelites.

Let's call them what they are.

Racist fake Israelites.

Because that would be what they are.

The racist fake Israelites, where they claim that the Bible teaches, gives a prophecy that they

are going to be basically that they're

the Israelites because of a prophecy they claim is a prophecy to them,

but they have to twist the scriptures to make it work.

Hence the reason they say you've got to read the Bible by hear a little, there a little.

Precept upon precept, yeah.

Well, line upon line, precept upon precept, then hear a little, there a little.

The only one they do is the hear a little, there a little.

They don't do line upon line.

They don't do precept upon precept.

They just go pick from here, pick from here, shove it together and make it make sense.

The reality is if they actually read that in context in Isaiah, it's a

condemnation on those who pick a little from here and pick a little from there.

They don't even read the context to see.

How God's judging that.

I heard one where they were going to Jeremiah talking about this is a future prophecy

about Israel and they're pulling it from Jeremiah.

I'm going, have you ever heard of the Babylonian captivity that Daniel references and he's

referencing Jeremiah?

Yeah.

Oh, Chris is now saying prophecy from a cessationist?

It really is the end of days.

Look, it's a highly educated guess.

You forget, Chris, I put cameras in your house.

Okay, so I got to tell that story.

I wish I knew what episode it was.

I should go back, binge on all his episodes, figure out and then.

Grab the audio from that.

I think it was around.

Christmastime a year or two ago.

Ah, so we should go look for it.

Okay, folks, here's a challenge.

Anyone that can go to Voice of Reason Radio and find the episode where Chris told where this

happened.

But this was great.

Chris, before he, he'll always, before they record, ask for prayer.

Hey, Richard and I are about to record tonight.

Voice of Reason Radio will be praying for us.

And so what ended up happening was I sat there and I,

you know, when I saw it, they were already recording.

Now, mind you, they're not recording like this where people can see.

It's just he, it's just Chris and Richard recording Voice of Reason Radio.

You don't know what's being said until they go out.

Well, Chris starts the show saying that he put out there for folks that, hey,

we're going to be, I posted that we're going to be recording.

And then Chris said, Andrew Rappaport probably already knows this because he put cameras in my house.

Because he probably put cameras in my house.

Well, 20 minutes later, Chris bursts out laughing.

Why?

And like Richard was trying to make a point and all of a sudden it's like, so Chris had to explain, I'm sorry,

Richard, I just saw Andrew responded to my request for prayer.

And his response was, yes, Chris, I know that because I installed a camera over your shoulder.

So that was great.

So KT is saying, there were female singers.

I don't know if they sang in the temple or synagogue.

Was maybe one female musician in Chronicles listed with males?

Yeah, I just don't know.

I mean, I don't know it offhand.

All right.

Chris is saying, let's be clear, since Andrew keeps wanting to claim otherwise, Chris is a

schlub with a podcast who occasionally writes stuff and will still be

that when he retires from law enforcement, no change.

That's right.

You're just going to be a schlub that hopefully is going to be writing for us.

Okay.

So the, oh, look at this.

Our racist is calling me a liar.

Liars!

But they believe in a doctrine that says it's okay

to lie.

So the.

Racist fake Israelite is saying, liars, we do.

And it's history, archaeological, and prophecy.

Prophecy, dude, if you twist the scripture, you have to say that the only word you take literal

is the word ship.

You have to take Egypt as figuratives.

They sell themselves as slaves, as figurative.

There's no buyers at figurative.

And there's nothing to explain why ships should be literal then.

When we know historically there was a literal time that real Israelites, not

fake ones like you, had actually left the land of Israel in both the Assyrian and Babylonian

captivity, and they went to where?

Oh, Egypt, like literal Egypt.

Like the actual place.

Just like it says.

And what happened?

Oh, they went the quickest way to go is how?

By ship.

And when they have no jobs, what would they do?

They would sell themselves as slaves because no one would buy them so that they would have a way of caring for

themselves.

So let's not talk about liars when you make up history and make up prophecy.

You got nothing.

I mean, the one that I love is they got a sign, and I could probably dig it up, a sign post where there's

a name of the town called the free

men of Israel, of Israelites.

It's the name of the town.

They talk about slavery, and they're like, see, this is proof that it's from the slaves.

It's the name of the town.

It's not a description of the town.

I mean, but that's what they have to resort to.

Chris is saying he doesn't even remember the episode it was.

Someone please find that.

Oh, oh, but I lie about Deuteronomy 28.

I lie.

Let's read Deuteronomy 28.

Let's get it straight so we see if I lie.

Here's what it says.

The Lord will bring you back to Egypt in ships

by the way about which I spoke to you.

You will never see it again, and there you will offer yourselves

for sale to your enemies as male and female slavers, slaves, but

there will be no buyers.

Okay, let's see, what did I lie about?

I said that they went back to Egypt, just like this says, in ships, just like this

says, that they didn't have anyone to, they sold themselves as slaves,

just as it says, and there were no buyers, just as it says.

Come on, Andrew, that's the Atlantic slave trade.

Yeah, that's right.

That's the Atlantic slave trade because the word ship is used, and it's the only place, there's only one place ever where there

were slaves that were sent by ships.

That's archaeologically proven.

Yeah, well, if we're going to, if we want to deal with facts to this fake Israelite, who did the

kidnapping of those black slaves?

Oh, that's right, black Africans.

Yeah, your own people kidnapped you and sold you as slaves.

So you're saying the Israelites sold Israelites as slaves, and the thing I always find amazing is

that they knew who were the slaves because they only sent Judah here to Americas, is the claim that some make,

so it's like, I think it's Dan that's in Jamaica, I forget which, but it's like, oh yeah, the slavers were really

concerned with keeping people together, and I guess if you kidnap just the Israelites so that, you know, someone who is a

brother or sister wasn't really an Israelite, like, okay.

So, okay, he's saying the verse says

you shall be sold, but you just read it.

I'll read it again.

It says, and there you will offer yourselves for sale.

Now he's going to go, oh, it's not King James.

Okay, let's read it in the King James because they're, you know, the racists are to a book and don't

know the Hebrew.

So, they say, so here's what the King James says.

And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt with ships.

By the way I spoke, I spake unto thee, thou shalt see it no more again,

and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondman and

bondwoman, and no man shall buy you.

No man shall buy you.

That means they sold themselves to their enemy because

nobody bought them.

There was no sale if they didn't get bought.

It was a giveaway.

So, no matter how you look at it, I'm not the one lying there, buddy boy.

Sorry, dude.

So, let's get into spiritual warfare one first before Melissa's because

Melissa's is going to take a bit.

Sarah's asking, what is a healthy approach to deciphering what is spiritual warfare, what is and isn't

spiritual warfare?

So, this is a good question because much of what's called spiritual warfare is not.

So, okay, let's start with what's not good.

What's not a good way of doing it is that when you

see people that are saying, okay, if you have an issue with drinking and you're drunk,

that you know, that's a spiritual warfare of drunkenness.

You have the generational curse.

Yeah, so when you're blaming, when you're taking individual sin and

trying to blame that on a demon or something like that, that's not spiritual warfare.

Okay?

That is basically avoiding

accountability.

Right?

Most people want to blame the devil.

So, what do you have with that?

Well, they don't want to take responsibility for their sin.

Someone made them do it?

No, it was their own flesh that did that.

Oh, hey, what's that book that you got there?

This is a good book.

A good book on the subject, yeah.

So, Sarah is actually...

It's a good title because not everyone on the podcast can read the title that you're showing.

Well, let me just...

So, I know Sarah.

She's family.

And so, I should give this book to her.

The book is by our friend Jim Osmond.

And it is Truth or Territory? A Biblical Approach to Spiritual Warfare.

And if you want to get a copy of that book, you can get it at strivingforeturning .org in our store.

We sell it as well.

And you'll get it shipped through.

By Amazon.

And if you have AGTV, there is a small study that Jim does through the book

as well.

Oh, look at this.

We're scared.

Yeah.

The fake Israelites say that we're scared to read Leviticus.

Oh, I'm so scared.

Yeah.

I don't think so.

So, let's get back to a real question.

So, we have what isn't spiritual warfare.

What is?

What would be an actual.

Case of spiritual warfare going on?

You do have cases where you'd have demonic activity that could occur.

And when you have demonic activity, you're looking at the fact that

there's going to be something that is either someone that's demon possessed

that you could be dealing with.

I've dealt with that on the streets.

You could have in your own life where it could be things that are happening in your life.

You think of Job.

And everything that happened to him, that was spiritual warfare, though he didn't know it.

But you notice he didn't credit it to be like, oh, it's the devil doing this, the devil doing that.

You know, what you end up seeing is you see the fact that

there is a case where Job is seeing that this is happening and does not have any

idea that what is going on behind the scenes.

Kind of like, you know, for people in the chat that don't realize we have some demons back there.

Look, here's a fake Israelite saying, this live stream is demonic.

And you guys don't even know the Bible at all.

That's right, because we read it in context and don't know how to twist it like you.

You probably don't always know the spiritual warfare that's going on around you.

But it's good to identify what's not spiritual warfare.

We shouldn't be trying to push people to say, oh, you know, we should.

Be blaming the demons for everything.

And I've seen it where everything good that happens is God and everything bad that

happens is Satan.

Well, it's not always the case because the Lord can bring discipline upon you.

So sometimes you may experience something and it's actually a discipline of the Lord to bring you back in line

and it's not.

Of Satan.

And most of the time it's really us who sinned and we just don't like the consequences.

So I would say anything spiritual warfare, something that's trying to pull you

away from Christ.

Yeah.

But we may not see it all.

That's the thing.

You know, we may not see what's happening.

Alright, so we have another question here from Melissa who said this will take a little bit of time.

Did you guys hear about the FBI sending informants into Catholic churches to spy on them?

Now I disagree with Catholicism, but I believe that much more the church

nominations will be targeted in the future.

We were talking about this earlier.

And so yeah, they're bringing out the Catholics now, but because the Catholics are the soft targets

and they'll go for the harder targets later.

But when we talked about Christian nationalism, this was the reason I'm against using the term because this is

the thing.

Go back to my rap report podcast.

If you search the rap report for maybe, I think it's maybe Christian terrorists or domestic terrorists, you'll see we did

a very long show, very important show where I read through what the Biden administration calls a domestic

terrorist.

And it's basically anybody who thinks that if you thought there was anything wrong with

the 2022 presidential election, you're a domestic terrorist.

If you want to keep your privacy private and you move off a platform

that is spying on you to one where it's encrypted, you're a domestic terrorist.

If you don't believe the vaccines were working, you're a domestic terrorist.

I guess, by the way, the CDC is a domestic terrorist because they just recently came out and admitted that you

can get vaccinated and still get and pass on COVID.

So, yeah, it's just those of us that said it during the election, we're the domestic terrorists.

Look, the reality is that they're targeting Christians to get rid of a

whole voting block.

This is no different than what happened in Nazi Germany.

Get rid of all the Jewish people that had the money, take their money, and then you're getting rid of the voting block and now you just got to keep

blaming them for everything that goes wrong.

Well, Christian, we're going to be the ones in the gulags.

You don't believe it?

Go look at January 6th.

The people who actually the government went into people, asked for all their

video evidence, and then it disappeared.

All the evidence that proves they're innocent.

They're not allowed to have evidence to support their claims.

They're not allowed to.

Cross -examine officers that were walking them around.

Tucker showed that video, one of the videos that were supposedly lost.

This is the reality.

This is just where we're at.

I think that was Melissa's question.

It wouldn't surprise me when you saw what happened with James Coates in Canada.

It doesn't surprise me at all.

All right.

Before the show ends, let me deal with these fake Israelites.

They say, I can't read Leviticus 25, 39

-46.

So let's read it.

If your countryman of yours becomes so poor with regards to you

that he sells himself to you, you shall not subject him to the slave's

service.

He shall be with you as a hired man as if

he was a sojourner.

He shall serve you until the year of Jubilee.

He shall then go out from you, he and his sons with him,

and shall go back to his family, and shall return to the property of his

forefathers.

For they are my servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt.

They will not be sold in a slave sale.

You shall not rule over him with

severity, but to revere your God.

As your male servants...

How far do they want me to go down here?

Forty -six.

Okay.

As for your male and female slaves from whom you have, you may acquire male and female

slaves from the pagan nations that are around you.

Then too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live

as aliens among you, you shall gain acquisition and

out of their families who are with you, whom you have produced in your land,

they also may become your possession.

You may even bequest them to your

sons after you to receive a possession.

You can use them as permanent slaves, but in respect to your countrymen,

the sons of Israel, you will not rule...

You shall not rule with severity.

One over one another.

So I'm guessing he's using this to say this is why they're going to own slaves.

Yeah.

So, well, here's the thing.

I just read it, so I guess I'm not so scared of them.

Yeah, I'm not scared of Scripture.

So what is this talking about?

Well, if they actually knew the Bible instead of their racist doctrines, they would know

who that's speaking of.

It's speaking of actual Israelites that lived in the land of Israel, not Africa, and had

slaves that were their own countrymen when they did practice a year of Jubilee.

And that year of Jubilee was long earlier because that year of Jubilee we end up seeing that

they didn't keep that seven -year Sabbath cycle and that's why they had for 70

sevens, they skipped it and they skipped the Jubilee and that's why they were in

Babylonian captivity for seven years.

That's what Bible says.

Jeremiah.

And so the reality is, is that it's speaking of Israelites.

And you go, well, what about these pagans that were slaves?

Yeah, they're in there too.

As far back as, oh, Joshua.

Soon as they came into the promised land.

So, yeah.

So, let's do this.

So, we got a character backstage who, it's usually fun to keep him backstage

just to see the facial expressions because they're so good.

And we just missed one with his tongue out.

You totally did.

My tongue went out.

Chris Huff of Matter of Theology, welcome.

I'm sure you probably have a lot you want to say about all the things we answered.

I actually haven't been able to tune in.

So, you're going to have to catch me up.

You could do rapid fire if you want to.

That could be kind of fun.

We dealt with a lot of things.

He's been slacking, man.

Who knows?

Probably been watching The Braves or something.

No, definitely not.

Although, I think they lost today.

No, not today.

Well, let me do this.

For the fake Israelites that are there and because the

reality is as we started the show, Drew, you talked about I don't think you

mentioned it here, but you did tell me the language that these fake Israelites have on their shows, the

foul language that Scripture condemns, the judgmentalism, the

pride.

This is the stuff that you end up seeing is not biblical.

Scripture condemns the behavior they have.

And so, you know, this is the thing.

They need the gospel because these guys, as they said, they do not believe that Jesus is

God.

And this is not me saying Scripture says if you don't accept Jesus for

who he is as Lord, you are going to spend eternity in a lake of fire.

Every single one of us has sinned.

The three of us here, every one of the people that are commenting, everyone that's watching and

listening, all of us have broken God's law.

We lie, we steal, we break His law.

We deserve eternity in a lake of fire.

I mean, even Drew here, over his head right there is a picture he

stole from his mother.

His mother's house, he was telling me earlier.

He stole that from his mother.

He's talking about that, Chris.

The way we preach Christ.

Oh, nice.

Okay.

And I got at Shepherd's Conference.

He claims he got it.

I was there.

And it was in his mother's house.

I think he got it as a gift for his mother.

And then said, I want it back.

And his mother said, I don't have it.

And then produced it.

You're just making up stuff like Deuteronomy 28.

I might be lying.

I could be wrong, but I might be lying there.

What we see is that we all lie and steal.

And the fact is, we cannot save ourselves.

Our good works won't save us for a very simple reason.

We don't have any.

Nothing that we do is good compared to what God did for us in dying on the

cross.

And so we can't sit there and say, oh, but I did these good works or I'm a good person.

No.

Every one of us is a criminal in God's sight and deserve his judgment.

And if you don't believe Jesus is God, then he couldn't have paid an eternal fine for you because he's not an eternal being.

If he's just a temporal being, he's a man like any other man, even a prophet,

then he can't pay an eternal fine.

And then his death is meaningless for your salvation.

And you're dead in your sins if he's not God.

And so if you're believing that, you need to turn, that's what repentance means, turn from that thinking.

Stop believing Jesus is just a man.

Stop thinking he's not God and turn and trust the God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who paid an eternal

debt when he died on the cross for your sin because without that you have no hope for heaven.

You can sit there and dream all day long about white slaves that you're going to have.

But the reality is you're going to end up in a pit of fire and I don't

want that for you.

As much as you hate me, call me a devil, all the things, all the name calling you want to do,

the difference between you and I, the fake Israelites, the difference between you and I

is that I care where you spend eternity and you care about yourself.

The Bible condemns that behavior on your part.

And that's one of the sins of pride that you'll be judged for and that's why I plead with you.

You're caught up in a cultic thinking where you're in the echo chamber, no different than the flat earthers