The Final Experiment To Settle The Flat Earth Debate (And What I Will Do If I'm Wrong!)

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planes, as I said, fly them down to Antarctica, and one group, you know, I'm on it, Neil deGrasse

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Tyson's on it, you know, the failed actor. You have college professors on there, and you follow the shoreline of Antarctica, okay?

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That would prove it right there, but it'll never be done. I'm happy to do it, right? It's simple, it would end the debate.

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You know, this would be easy to prove, but they hide this from us too. All we'd have to prove is go to Antarctica, let me and you go to Antarctica, spend a week there in the summer, and let's see if the sun does a 360 -degree circle all the way around us.

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If so, it's a ball. The Earth is a globe, right? It's a sphere, right? Well, maybe not.

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What if instead the Earth looking like this, it actually looks like this?

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There is a debate, a fierce debate, but that debate is just about to come to an end.

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Welcome to the program, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Justin Peters. I hope that this finds you and your family doing well today.

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I want to thank you so much for joining me. Yes, there is a raging debate as to the shape of the

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Earth. I believe that the Earth is something a little bit like that, of course quite a bit bigger than that, but I believe that the

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Earth is a globe. Others believe that the Earth is flat. I'm going to be interviewing a pastor by the name of Will Duffy.

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He pastors in Colorado, and he also believes the Earth is a globe, but he has organized an experiment that should put an end to this debate.

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We have a very high level of confidence in that because not only do the globe -earthers think that this experiment will end the debate, but so do the flat -earthers.

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I will show you video clips of many of the most prominent flat -earthers today saying that if this experiment were to be done, it will indeed put an end to the debate one way or another.

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Well, the experiment is about to be done. I'm going to be interviewing

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Pastor Will about this project, this experiment. It is fascinating. I'm very excited about it.

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In this interview, you will hear his offer to you if he is proven wrong, if the

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Earth is indeed shown to be flat. You will hear what he is offering to do and what

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I am offering to do. What I am offering to do, I think will shock you.

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So stay tuned in this interview. You will hear it. So without any further delay, here's my interview with Pastor Will Duffy.

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Will, brother, thank you for joining me. Thank you for your time tonight. It's great to have you on the program.

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Yeah, super excited to be here. I've followed your ministry for years, and so this is a real treat for me as well.

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Well, thank you so much, brother. I appreciate that. I'm honored. I'm honored. Okay, so Will, we are here to talk about the flat

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Earth and the final experiment. I first came across the flat Earth, I think it was around 2016 or so, and when

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I first saw it, I thought it was a joke. It was a spoof, you know, and like, surely people don't believe this.

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But then I began to realize, no, people actually do believe this. And it kind of sent me, like it did you, kind of sent me down a rabbit hole and started watching flat

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Earth videos. And then whenever it was that that documentary came out, Beyond the

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Curve or Behind the Curve, watch that. But anyway, yeah, so that's kind of, and it seemed to be on the wane for a while, but now it seems to be back on the ascendancy.

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It seems to people, more and more people are believing this. So how did the flat

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Earth get on your radar? Yeah, so very similar story, although you beat me by about five years.

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So my first exposure was in 2021, a little over two and a half years ago, so going on three years.

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And yeah, just a friend of mine on Facebook posted about flat Earth. And like you, I thought she was joking.

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And I looked at the comments and it seemed a little bit more serious than that. So I engaged with her and found out she was actually serious.

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I too didn't realize that flat Earth was a thing. And so that began my dive into the flat

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Earth rabbit hole. And you can get pretty deep pretty quickly. There's a lot of videos, a lot of articles, websites, links, all kinds of things to watch.

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And so it's just fascinating. At least it is for me to get into the minds of people, understand what they believe and more importantly, why they believe it.

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And here we are. Yeah, indeed. Indeed. Well, you're wanting to put an end to the debate.

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All right. And you're going to do it with what you're calling the final experiment. So what is the final experiment?

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Yeah. So people who know me, people who really know me, so mostly family and really close friends know that I'm a big thinker.

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I like to come up with really big ideas, things that could, you know, get a lot of attention, change the world.

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And usually the ideas I have aren't even possible or doable or very difficult to pull off.

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And so most of my big ideas don't even come to fruition. And so I had this idea.

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I was like, one day I was just like, wait a minute, okay, we're talking about the shape of the earth here. So this is not rocket science.

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This isn't brain surgery. This is the shape of an object.

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I've got kids. My youngest is three. And I'm sitting there like my three -year -old can understand the difference between two shapes.

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And so I said, and we're talking about one of the biggest objects in the world.

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And so I said, okay, I'm going to come up with another one of my big ideas. And I want to end the debate over the shape of the earth.

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And so that was the genesis of the final experiment. I didn't know what it was going to be yet. I didn't even have a name for it yet.

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I just knew I was going to come up with something. And that began a long journey. And when you're trying to come up with something like this, where you've got two sides that are just going at each other, diametrically opposed to one another, in a lot of cases seem to hate each other, it's difficult to come up with something that both sides would agree to.

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And that was big for me. I wanted something that both sides could say, okay, we actually support what this experiment is.

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We support what the results will say. And so it took me down a long journey. And I ended up getting to Antarctica, meaning the continent of Antarctica or the encircling

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Antarctica, which is what it is on the flat earth model. And realizing, because I heard about it from both sides, you've got the globe side saying, hey, there's a 24 hour sun in Antarctica, because there's also a 24 hour sun in the north.

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And so on a sphere, when you go north of the equator, the earth gets smaller, when you go to south of the equator, the earth gets smaller.

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And so what happens in the north with the sun has to happen in the south. But then you've got the flat earth model where, as you get further away from the equator further south, their earth gets bigger, not smaller.

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And so you've got the globe side saying there's this 24 hour sun in Antarctica, you got the flat earth side saying no, there is not.

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And I was like, okay, that's it. That's what the final experiment needs to be is what does the sun do in Antarctica in southern summer.

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So that is the final experiment. To go down to Antarctica during the

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Antarctic summer and see, see if the sun goes down or not, right?

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Yeah. So it took me a while to figure out the logistics, how to get to Antarctica.

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I found a bunch of companies that take tourists to Antarctica. There were way more than I was expecting, mostly because I learned about Antarctica mainly from flat earthers.

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And when you learn about Antarctica from them, you walk away thinking you can't go there.

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If you go there, there'll be a military presence that will turn you away or possibly even shoot you, all these different things.

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And it's like, no, you can go, it's expensive, but you can go. And I found this company called

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Antarctic Logistics and Expeditions, ALE, and they're a great company. They have a camp called

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Union Glacier, which is pretty far south. It's right at 80 degrees south. And I contacted them and said,

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Hey, I have this idea. I'm calling it the final experiment. Would you be open to having people, globe earthers and flat earthers come on one of your trips?

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And they said, sure, come on down. And so that's the plan. So we're going to be flying to Antarctica this

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December on December 14th. And we're going to just see what the sun does. And I do believe that should settle the debate.

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That doesn't mean everyone's going to magically change their minds overnight, but I do think this has the power to be the final experiment on this issue.

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Right. I agree. I agree, Will. And it's not just globe earthers, and to lay our cards on the table, obviously you and I both believe the earth is a globe.

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It's not just the globe earthers that say that this should end the debate.

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The flat earthers are, and that's not a pejorative, by the way, that's, they call themselves flat earthers. So the flat earthers also say that going to Antarctica would end the debate.

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In fact, some of your most prominent flat earthers like Eric Dubay and Austin Whitsitt and Nathan Oakley, Jaron of Jaronism, Dave Weiss of the channel

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Flat Earth Dave, and Dean Odell as well, they all say that this debate could be settled if we could just go to Antarctica and see the sun for ourselves.

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In fact, let me, let's play this clip and we'll hear it right out of the flat earthers own mouths.

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In order to fit the heliocentric globe model, this midnight sun phenomenon must also occur for observers south of the

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Antarctic circle during winter solstice. Depending how far south the observer is, the sun should be seen for several days or weeks, never fully setting, just like it does in the north.

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In reality, however, there is never 24 -hour sunlight anywhere in Antarctica at any time of year.

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Now, let's say we are trying to prove the globe, or trying to prove it's flat. Should be very, very easy, right?

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I mean, on a globe, we would have a 24 -hour sun in the southern summer. That means that the sun would circle the continent.

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That's quite different from the flat earth model where the sun circles the entire earth from above, and since Antarctica is around the outside, well, that doesn't include a circling sun, at least not around you at the bottom continent.

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You mentioned the sun, right? The idea is, yeah, if you see the sun in the sky for 24 hours, that's what the globe predicts, and how would the flat earth explain that?

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But that's not what happens. One of the arguments that people give is on a flat earth, you can't have a 24 -hour sun, a midnight sun in Antarctica, and I totally agree.

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But there is no midnight sun in Antarctica. In the flat earth model, we say there isn't a 24 -hour sun in the south, and there isn't.

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During winter solstice, when the sun is circling its widest path over and around the Tropic of Capricorn, observers far enough south will experience extended daylight hours due to proximity with the sun, but will still observe it to rise and set beyond the horizon completely every single day.

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To clarify, we know that you can get daylight, sunlight, but you don't see the sun in the sky for 24 hours.

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On a globe, it needs to be the sun in the sky for 24 hours. Heliocentrists also cannot explain why the midnight sun phenomenon is not experienced anywhere in the southern hemisphere at any time of year.

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Here's the problem. You should have the exact opposite of 24 hours a day and 24 hours a night in the south, but it doesn't happen.

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And we've proven it by all of the stations reporting with their cams, and there is 24 hours of no light because when the sun is on the

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Tropic of Cancer, it never gets close enough to Antarctica to light it. But when it's out here,

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Antarctica still gets dark. It should never get dark. It should be 24 hours of sun. Honestly, if you want to know for sure if the earth is spherical or not, go to Antarctica during the summer and see if you can watch the sun for 24 hours.

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You know, this would be easy to prove, but they hide this from us too. All we'd have to prove is go to Antarctica.

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Let me and you go to Antarctica, spend a week there in the summer, and let's see if the sun does a 360 -degree circle all the way around us.

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If so, it's a ball. Okay. So Will, we just saw this clip of some of the more prominent flat earthers.

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Let's talk about them a little bit, each individually, if you want to. Tell us about Eric Dubé. Yeah.

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So when I was putting together these clips to prepare for the final experiment, and I was just watching hours and hours and hours and hours of videos on both sides,

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I started to really understand their position. So Eric Dubé, he takes a very, very, very strong stance on the 24 -hour sun in Antarctica.

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He states emphatically that there is not a 24 -hour sun in Antarctica, and that the sun does set there, and that there is not a 24 -hour sun even for a single day in Antarctica through the entire calendar year.

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So he takes a very strong stance on this, and it's going to be interesting to see if he's going to start walking that back, or if he's going to change his mind, because he's taken one of the strongest stances of any flat earther that I found.

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Okay. Interesting. All right. Austin Whitsitt. Yeah. Austin Whitsitt is a good one.

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He and I actually had a discussion on Jeronism. That was kind of my first exposure into this whole arena, if you will.

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And I actually asked him in that discussion if he would be open to going to Antarctica, and he said yes, and that he's already planning on going.

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And so then when I started to find other videos of him, he actually stated that he's planning to go to Antarctica this summer, this southern summer, meaning this

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December or January timeframe. And he stated that one of the reasons he wants to go is to see whether or not there's a 24 -hour sun.

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So this is a perfect opportunity for him since he's already planning on going there, but he's stated over and over and over again that the 24 -hour sun is what the globe model requires and that it does not work on a flat earth.

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So he's made a strong stance as well, and I'm really hoping he ends up going to Antarctica with us since he was already planning on going anyway.

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Yeah, I do too. I hope he will go as well. And again, so you're offering all expenses paid, right?

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Yes. So I'm going to be paying for one person on the globe side and one person on the flat earth side, all expenses paid to go to Antarctica.

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My goal with the final experiment was to essentially make it the best experiment we can make it on this issue, learn from past mistakes that were made with other adventures and trips and other experiments that people had proposed.

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And so that's what I have set out to do. On the globe side, all of our audience and fans or whatever you want to call them, they voted for Dave McKeegan to represent

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Team Globe with the all expenses trip to Antarctica. So he's going. Other people on the globe side are crowdfunding like Globey McGlobeface.

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So if you want to see more globe earthers go there, you can check out their crowdfunds on GoFundMe.

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On the flat earth side, everybody voted for David Weiss, Dave, to represent

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Team Flat Earth in Antarctica. And I was excited because I was like, it's kind of cool. You've got a Dave on each side.

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It just kind of sounds nice. But he turned down the all expenses paid trip to Antarctica, which was shocking to a lot of people because he has said that he will go, as we just heard, he will go to Antarctica.

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He said that this whole debate could be settled in one day by going to Antarctica. And so that was a shock for people.

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And so at this point, Jaron Campanella of Jaronism, again, we just saw him in the clip.

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He's now the one that's up for this all expenses paid trip, and he wants to accept it, but he doesn't want to go alone.

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And so right now he's in communication with Austin Whitsitt to see if Austin will go with him.

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And so that's kind of where things stand on the flat earth side. It's not fully finalized or solidified yet, but we are working on it behind the scenes.

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Okay. Okay. That's interesting. Talk to us a little bit more about Flat Earth Dave.

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He intrigues me because I've done a couple of videos already on my channel on the shape of the earth.

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And I interviewed Dr. Danny Faulkner, who I found out the flat earthers have a particular distaste for.

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I found him to be a very nice guy, works for Answers in Genesis. But I interviewed him extensively on the flat.

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We went through all, I mean, maybe not all, but most of the arguments and he dealt with those.

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And so then Flat Earth Dave did a response video in his thumbnail.

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He showed a picture of me and Danny Faulkner, and he superimposed clown noses and clown wigs on us to mock us.

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And so Flat Earth Dave's mocking us, mocking globe earthers, and has boldly said that he would go to Antarctica.

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And planes, as I said, fly them down to Antarctica and one group, you know, I'm on it,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson's on it, you know, the failed actor. You have college professors on there and you follow the shoreline of Antarctica.

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Okay. That would prove it right there, but it'll never be done. I'm happy to do it. Right. It's simple. It would end the debate.

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But now he's turning, let me make sure I understand. He's turning down a free all expenses paid trip to the very place that he himself said would end the debate.

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That's right. Yeah. His reasoning for not accepting the trip was that I hang out with demons, which

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I thought was a pretty bizarre reason. I've never met a demon, but yeah.

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So Flat Earth Dave is an interesting guy. He's definitely one of the, you know, biggest

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Flat Earth, you know, apostles out there. It's what he does full time.

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And he's, he's honestly a likable guy. If you're just kind of interviewing him and just asking questions, once he doesn't like you, he starts to treat you poorly.

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As you just mentioned, Danny Faulkner is a big player in this debate.

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He's actually one of the original 24 globe earthers that we invited to participate in the final experiment.

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So I considered him definitely in the top 24. I believe he's written a book on the topic.

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He's an astronomer. So yeah. So he's a, he's a big player. He's a great guy. Interesting story.

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I actually met Danny about 20 years ago. He was, he was passing through Colorado and he was speaking and I attended his speaking event.

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And at the time I was young, I was just, you know, just newly married.

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And I wanted to go into the world of astronomy and maybe even become an astronomer.

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And he encouraged me that it wasn't too late, even though I was in my early twenties and I didn't end up doing it, but it was a, it was really cool to have him encourage me to do that.

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Somebody that I looked up to and respected. Oh, how about that? Yeah. Well, he seems to be a great guy.

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I really enjoyed interviewing him. And so, yeah, that's good. That's good.

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All right. So Flatterday, tell us, talk to us a little bit about Jaron. Yeah. So Jaron Campanella is definitely one of the top flat earthers in the world right now.

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I don't, I don't really know how to rank them, but he's easily, you know, top two, I would say. And he's done this for going on a decade.

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So he's, you know, I would kind of look at him as, you know, OG to some extent.

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And he's, you know, he's passionate about it. Say that again.

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OG? Yeah. I forget what it, what it, what it stands for. I think it's like original gangsta, something like that.

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It's a term you use when somebody is like one of the originals. Oh, gotcha. Okay. All right. I'm not real hip.

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I'm not real up on all my, okay. All right. I'm not either. I just try to keep up. My kids try to help me stay up to date on that kind of stuff.

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But he's got a great channel called Jaronism. He hosts debates. He moderates them. He seems to me to be one of the most honest flat earthers.

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Like I get the feeling from him that he doesn't want to be wrong. He doesn't want to be perpetuating a lie.

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He does his research. I've, I've been in conversations with him and bring things up and he has responses that shows he's looked into the issues more than I have.

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So I do like Jaron. Jaron Campanella has a little bit of a bad reputation on the globe side because of his involvement in the movie.

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You mentioned the documentary Behind the Curve. Behind the Curve. Yeah. And, uh, you know,

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Jaron has a little bit of a different take, you know, he believes that there was, you know, edits made in that documentary to make him say things when he wasn't really saying them.

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And so I don't exactly know what happened. I'm, I'm late to the party, right? I, I have only been exposed, uh, to, to the flat earth versus globe stuff since 2021.

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But anyway, you know, he's, he's, uh, stood strong and he stayed true and I do think he's open to the truth.

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And so he has my vote to go to Antarctica and I hope he'll be there this December. Yeah. I hope he will too.

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I watched the interview that you did with him and, uh, and yeah, I agree.

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I mean, of course, we both think that he's wrong in his view of the earth, the shape of the earth, but he, he, he, unlike any other flat earth that I've seen, he, um, he does seem to be intellectually honest and would admit that if, uh, if indeed there is a 24 hour sun in the

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Antarctic, that's pretty much the death nail for the flat earth position. Yeah.

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He's done a good job of explaining that he doesn't personally have an answer for a 24 hour sun in the

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South on the flat earth model. He's even opened it up to his audience. Like, Hey, am I missing something?

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If I am reach out to me and let me know what I'm missing. But as far as I can tell, this doesn't work. That's what he said for years.

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And he, and he's sticking to what he's been saying, which I appreciate. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I hope he will go.

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I hope he and Austin Witsett will both go. I really do. Um, okay.

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Uh, Dean Odell, talk to us a little bit about Dean Odell. I watched the, I watched the debate, uh, between Dean Odell and Greg Locke and let me go on the record saying,

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I am not a fan of Greg Locke, but one thing he does have right is the shape of the earth.

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But, um, talk to us about Dean Odell. Yeah. Dean Odell is an interesting one. Um, I, at the end of last year,

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I always forget the date. It was either November or December. I was going to be in Nashville for something else and found out there was this debate going on this flat earth debate between two pastors, two pastors.

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I hadn't heard of Dean Odell and Greg Locke. And so I was like, wow, I'm going to be in Nashville. I have to go to this thing.

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So I went to the debate. I was there in person. I got a front and center seat, like maybe, you know, just a few rows back.

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And I was just curious and interested at what was going to happen. Now, most people don't know this, but I had already,

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I was already fully planning out the final experiment. Um, I had,

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I had a ton of it already planned out. We hadn't announced it to the public yet. I was still trying to work on trying to find a web guy, trying to make videos and things of that nature, but I already, you know, was planning it.

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And then Dean Odell shocked me. It was great. Towards the beginning of the debate, as we saw in the clip, that's from that debate.

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He said on stage, he challenged Greg Locke to go with him to Antarctica for a week in December, in the

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Southern summer. And then he said, if the sun does a circle, a 360 above our heads, he says, the earth is a ball.

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To be easy to prove, but they, they hide this from us too. All we'd have to prove is, is, is go to Antarctica.

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Let me and you go to Antarctica. It's been a week there in the summer and let's see if the sun does a 360 degree circle all the way around us.

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If so, it's a ball. So he just threw it out there. And I, and I, and I remember I yelled, the debate was kind of a mess.

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People were kind of yelling things out. It started out okay. Where the stuff that people were yelling was kind of looked at as fun, but then it's kind of turned into a dumpster fire.

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But I kind of, I kind of yelled out like, yeah, that's a great idea. Let's do this, you know, cause that was my idea.

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And so Dean Odell has stated that he believes if there's a 24 hour sun in Antarctica, then we do live on a globe.

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And so I've had some private communication with Dean that I don't want to talk about publicly.

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I don't think he will be able to go to Antarctica with us this December, which is a bummer, but I would really hope that he'll either accept the results, whichever, whatever they are when we go, or he at least will consider going himself or maybe even going with Greg Locke.

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It could be TFE 2 .0. So. Yeah, could be.

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I have an idea though. Once, once TFE 1 .0 happens,

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I mean, that's, it's going to be pretty conclusive, I think. I agree. I agree. Yeah.

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So let me, let me play devil's advocate, try to raise up a few objections that I've heard already.

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And so is it possible to fake a sun?

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Yeah. So the answer to that is no, you cannot fake a sun. And when I, when I say you can't fake a sun,

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I mean, you can't fake a sun that would be in any way remotely close to the sun that we all know that we've all seen every single day of our lives, that we've all been inside, that, that lights up our world, that gives us sunburns, that contributes to skin cancer.

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You can't fake that. Right. So yeah, if anybody's going to bring that up, that's going to show a couple of things.

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One, it's probably going to show that they don't believe that they don't believe in their own model.

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So that to me is like a fear response from someone who's like, Oh boy, they're probably going to find a 24 hour sun when they go there in December.

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So I need to come up with an excuse because we haven't even gone yet. So there's no point in making any excuses.

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Right. And number two they need to, they need to tell us if they're worried about a fake sun and that's okay to be worried about things.

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If you're worried about a to expose if it's a fake sun or to confirm that it's the real authentic sun and they don't want to do that.

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You see if they, if they had a true concern, they would say, okay, do this and do that and I'll be happy.

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But it sounds like, and it feels like they're more just kind of looking for a way out. One of the things we're going to be doing, this was at the suggestion of, uh, uh,

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MC tune, uh, Mike tune, who's one of the, one of the people on the globe side who was invited to participate.

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He has suggested that we take solar filters, uh, to Antarctica and take, do some solar photography of the sun to verify that it's the same sun.

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And so I'm not worried about that. There, there's a ton of problems with this idea that, uh, it'll be a fake sun.

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One of which is, well, where's the real sun while we're there in both models, there's a real sun down there.

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And, uh, so where's that one? If, if the one we're seeing is fake. And so if there's two, we could take a picture of it and probably win an award, uh, seeing the first people ever to see two sons in Antarctica, the list goes on and on.

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There were two sons in a Tatooine, right? In the star Wars, you know, that's, that's safe, but I don't think there's going to be one in Antarctica.

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All right. So no, there's no way to, to fake the sun. That's not going to happen. All right. Um, now a little bit of a, one of their nuanced positions, they say, uh, on the flat earth model, the sun must set, but just because the sun sets in Antarctica doesn't mean that it's completely dark.

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So you've heard this, I'm sure. Yes, I have. So for whatever reason, they have essentially agreed with the globe side that there's 24 hours of light of daylight in Antarctica.

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This is going to confuse a lot of people. So bear with me. Okay. What they're saying is, is that there's 24 hours of light, but that the sun is not visible in the sky for 24 hours.

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And the reason I think that they say that is because the videos that come out of Antarctica and the pictures that come out of Antarctica in this, in the

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Southern summer, so November, December, January are always bright out, right? There's no dark pictures.

31:36

Yeah. But, but again, on, on, on their, on their flat earth model, the sun has to go all the way around all of the continents on the earth.

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And so if someone's in Antarctica, you know, South of South America, the sun still has to get on the other side of their, of their map, you know, to the

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South of, you know, Australia, let's say. So what they, what they say is, is that the light kind of wraps around the dome.

32:06

Most flat earthers hold to a firmament or a dome, right? And they use a couple of examples.

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Like they, they, they'll use like a, like a glass paperweight. That's kind of like a, like a hemisphere and they'll shine a light on it.

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And when you shine a light on it, you can actually see a little bit of light wrapping around the edge. So that's one of their answers for how there's, how there's 24 hours of light.

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Another one is they talk about, it's called coffee cup caustic, which is a, it's, it's a, it's essentially when you shine light into a coffee cup, the, the circular nature of the coffee cup kind of wraps the lighter, the light around.

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I was familiar with all of this. And so I made it very clear with the, with the final experiment. We're not, we're not looking for 24 hours of daylight.

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We're looking for the sun being in the all 24 hours of the day over where we're standing in Antarctica.

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And most importantly, we're looking for the sun to be South of us in Antarctica, because in their model, the sun never gets far enough

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South to even get on top of Antarctica. The furthest South it goes is the Tropic of Capricorn.

33:20

That's right. Yep. That's right. That's right. So yeah, just the fact that the sun would be

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South of you is going to be a problem for the flat earth model. Yes. Yeah.

33:31

Probably an impossibility. An impossibility. Okay. So Antarctica is basically, even though it's covered in ice, it's basically a desert, right?

33:41

It's, I mean, it gets snow, but it's, it's pretty dry. So what if you get down there and it's an overcast day, how many days, by the way, will you be in Antarctica?

33:53

How many full days? We will be there five days and four nights. Okay. So you've got four opportunities, four full nights to see this, what the sun does.

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That's right. Yeah. So if we end up with an overcast day, which I don't expect, if we do, we're going to be okay because we're, we're being, we're going to be there for longer than one day.

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If there's massive cloud cover all five days, it's going to be a disappointment, obviously for me, but we're still going to try to make it work.

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If we can see the sun through the clouds, we'll film that. If we can use infrared photography to see the sun through the clouds, we'll use that.

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If we can take a drone to get us a little bit higher to see over the clouds, we'll, we'll do that. We're going to do everything we can.

34:43

Would there be any possibility, let's just say in the highly unlikely event, you have a string of days that are overcast.

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Is there a helicopter or a plane that you could, you know, sell out a few bucks?

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Hey, you know, cut us a little favor here. Here's a few extra bucks. Just, just take us up above the clouds and we'll come back.

35:05

That's a really good question. I think the answer is no. You know, we'll have a 757 plane out there, which is a really big plane.

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And that's going to be very expensive to run. We will be having a scenic tour of the area of Antarctica that we'll, that we're staying in on that plane on the trip.

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So that's a possibility, at least on that flight. Okay. So during your stay there, you'll have a scenic tour.

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Yep. That's right. Can you do it? Can you do it at night? Like when the sun's low?

35:41

Now that's a good question. I haven't thought about that. I'm guessing they have it scheduled, but I can ask them about that.

35:50

Surely you would get above the clouds. So the problem is there's going to be other people that are just the regular people that visit

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Antarctica every year. And so they they'll probably want to do it during the day when they're sleeping or sorry, when they're not sleeping.

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And as opposed to what we're calling night, I'll just say midnight from a time standpoint when they'll probably want to be sleeping, but you never know.

36:12

We'll see. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, highly, highly unlikely you'll have four straight days of overcast.

36:19

So yeah. All right. So in the, in the event that you and I both find highly unlikely, but in the event that you go down to Antarctica and you have, you know, flat earthers, globe earthers there, and the sun does indeed set.

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If that happens, are you going to be willing to change your position? Not only will

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I change my position, I'm going to change my position right then and there. I will go on camera and state there's no sun in the sky right now.

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I can, we can take this camera 360 degrees around. There's no sun. That is what would be required on the globe model.

37:03

We, I am wrong about us living on a globe. I now believe we live on a flat earth and it's time to rethink my position.

37:10

Absolutely. Okay. All right. That sounds definitive. And so you will do that.

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And I will also what I will do as soon as I get word that that you're down there and the sun does set, then

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I will make a video and I will offer a public apology for believing that the earth is a globe.

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I will switch my position to a flat earth and I will post that video immediately to my

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YouTube channel of refuting the globe earth, affirming the flat earth. Not only will

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I do that, I will also take down every other video on my

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YouTube channel. I will take it down. And the only chance, the only video that will be on my

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YouTube channel will be that video offering a public apology and a reversal of my position.

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There will be one video on my YouTube channel and that will be it. Incredible. Wow. That, uh, thank you for that.

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That shows your confidence in your position. It does. It does.

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It shows my confidence in the position. And, um, yeah, and I will do that.

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So I mean that I will do it and, uh, people can hold me to it. My integrity is at stake. My word is at stake.

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So if it turns out that the sun does indeed set, um, yeah, there will only be my, my

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YouTube channel will shut down except for one video and I'll never, I will hold you to that. All right.

38:44

I appreciate that. Please do. Please do. Okay. Um, what else?

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Now there are some mountains, right? Yes. We're, yeah. Union Glacier camp is, is right, is right.

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Kind of nestled in the Ellsworth mountains. Okay. All right. But the mountains shouldn't be a problem, right?

39:03

So even if the sun goes, if it, if it's trajectories that dips down below the, the mountains, uh, that's still not going to be a problem for you, right?

39:12

Yeah. So a lot of people have been doing modeling and modeling is, you know, the best we can do until we get down there.

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And based on the modeling, we don't expect the sun to ever drop fully below any of the peaks.

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So we shouldn't have visual of it the entire time. But Globey McGlobeface did make a suggestion to make the final experiment better, which is to take a drone just in case that happens, throw that drone up in the sky.

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I mean, you can quickly get a thousand feet up, uh, visually, uh, to solve that problem.

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Because again, if it goes behind, you know, a cap of a mountain, it's only going to be there for a limited period of time.

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So we don't think it will happen. And we Okay. All right.

39:57

Sounds good. Sounds good. Um, one of the arguments I see from flat earthers will is that, uh, they say, um, you know, you're, you're taking the position of science, which would also have us believe in evolution and older than you and I are both young earth creationists create correct.

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That's right. Yep. Yep. So you and I both hold to a literal, uh, historical grammatical approach to hermeneutics and reading

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Genesis, uh, the creation account and all of that. So we believe we hope we reject macro biological evolution.

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In other words, specie to species evolution, we reject that we reject an old earth.

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So, uh, we're no, we're no, uh, friends of the, uh, at least the predominant view of, of science when it comes to evolution.

40:52

Uh, but I w I hear people say, well, you, if, if you, if you believe that the earth is globe, you're just falling into what science says you fall into what, you know,

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NASA says, but isn't that a logical fallacy? Because, uh,

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I don't, we all agree that science also says that the molecular structure of water is

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H2O. Doesn't science also say that plants photosynthesize.

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And so there's some things about science. I think we all agree on, right? Yeah. This, this whole idea of if I have something in agreement with mainstream,

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I have to agree with everything that the mainstream says it's just bogus. Um, yeah, I have no issues pointing out,

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Hey, you know, this is what I agree with from, from, you know, science over here, or this is what

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I agree with, with NASA over here. And at the same time saying, Hey, I disagree with you with, with mainstream science, or I disagree with NASA on this.

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I have no problems doing that. This whole idea of, well, if you agree with them on this one thing, then you're going to have to agree with them on everything is just bogus.

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I think everybody should be at a place in their life where they're mostly concerned with where they're wrong and not with where other people are wrong.

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If we are concerned with where we are wrong and we're, and we're honestly searching for the truth, trying to figure out how we can learn more, figure out the things that we're wrong about and change our mind.

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I think this world would be a much better place. Yeah. Yep. I agree. I agree. And, um, we'll, we both hold to the globe earth view and, and we do believe that the flat earth view is, is untenable.

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It is a, an absurd belief, but that having been said,

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I don't, and I'm sure I speak for you too. I don't think that flat people who flat hold to flat earth.

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I don't think they're dumb people. I don't think they're stupid people. So I want us to go on the record, right?

42:54

We were an agreement, right? We're not calling these people dumb or stupid. No, not at all.

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Um, there's a lot of people that do treat flatter. There's poorly. I am not one of them. You won't find me ever in the past or in the future treating them like that, because that's not what

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I think they are. That's not who I think they are. I don't think that they're lower IQ or less than human or anything like that.

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And so the, the treatment of them in that way is sad, but yeah, that's not my position at all. They have a belief.

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They have reasons for their belief. They've seen evidence, which has convinced them of what they believe.

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And so all I'm saying is, okay, let's go look at a new piece of evidence, which is what the sun does in Antarctica.

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And then let's make some decisions based on that. Because again, again, a 24 hour sun in Antarctica cannot happen on a flat earth.

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And, uh, the, the sun should not disappear out of the sky. Uh, if the earth is a globe, it should do circles over our head.

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And so those are, those are two things that we can go and test. And we should be open and honest to know that whatever happens will falsify one of these two models.

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That's right. That's all right. So what do you think it is? Um, what, and what do you think it is,

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Will, that makes people want to believe in the flat earth? Uh, let me ask you this in two parts.

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Um, you're a pastor and I know most flat earthers.

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I said, yeah, I think most flat earthers would say that at least one of the major reasons that they believe that the earth is flat is because they believe the

44:38

Bible teaches that the earth is flat. You're a pastor. We both just talked about how we affirm a literal historical grammatical approach to hermeneutics, and we have a high view of scripture and all that.

44:49

So does the Bible teach that the earth is flat? Yeah, I've talked about this and I've thought about it a lot.

44:57

I do not believe the Bible teaches really anything in regards to the shape of the earth.

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Uh, and you know, a lot of people give me a hard time for this mainly flat earthers, but I'm not willing to hold an interpretation of scripture that defies the reality that I see outside.

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So just to use a crazy example, if the Bible says the sky is green and I look out and the sky is blue and I check with my neighbor and they say, yeah, the sky is blue.

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It's there's nothing wrong with my eyes. And then I check through history in the past and people that are in different places in the world and everybody says the sky is blue.

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I'm going to have to double check. Uh, and I, and I'm going to question my interpretation. Like I'm going to have to look at the

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Hebrew word that's being translated green. I'm gonna have to look at if there was a, you know, a figure of speech, uh, thousands of years ago where green meant something else.

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I can't take an interpretation that's going to be at odds with what I see, uh, in reality.

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And I will say this, a lot of flat earthers do hold a position.

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That's that I would say is purely faith -based meaning it doesn't matter what evidence you give them.

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It doesn't matter what they see with their own eyes outside their position is the earth is flat because of the Bible.

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That's it. And that's a little bit of a dangerous position. And so I want to challenge them with something, which is in the

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Genesis account, we have this six day creation and we've got evening and morning called the first day.

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We've got evening and morning the second day, but we don't have a sun yet.

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And we don't have a moon yet. And so in the flat earth model, a day is the sun traveling around in a full circle over the flat earth.

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And so I want to challenge flat earthers to think about something that they probably haven't been presented with, which is what was that first day?

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What was the second day? Because they also, they don't just believe in a flat earth. They believe in a stationary flat plane.

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So it's not moving. And so I believe my interpretation is that those first two days were the first two full rotations of the globe.

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And that makes sense. That can be accounted for when you don't have a sun to this day, you know, that's where a day comes from is one full rotation of the earth.

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And so I just want them to at least consider that because I do think that while the Bible doesn't talk about the shape of the earth, it does talk about the rotation right at the very beginning in Genesis.

47:40

Yep. Boom. I agree. I agree. A hundred percent. Yep. You can have a rotation of the earth, the globe earth without a sun.

47:51

That's right. Yep. Absolutely. I agree. I agree. Plus the, uh, the plants were created before the sun as well.

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And, uh, well, this gets into the age of the earth, but anyway, the, the plants could live 24 hours without a sun, but not millions or billions of years without a sun.

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So, um, anyway, it kind of does away with a long, you know, the long age day theory, but at any rate, that's, that's getting off into the weeds.

48:18

All right. So, um, so aside from their misinterpretation of scripture, what do you think?

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Is there something, um, and I don't want to get all psychological because that's anyway, but is it, is it something about like, uh, uh, a sense, what do you think is the draw to flat earth?

48:40

Is it wanting to be a part of something, uh, like kind of becoming more conspiratorial and granted

48:49

I'm more conspiratorial now than I was like 10 years ago, I'm more conspiratorial now than I was before COVID, but I'm not conspiratorial on everything.

49:01

Uh, you, what, what do you think is, for lack of a better word, the, the, behind the psychology of wanting to believe that the earth is flat?

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You know, I don't know if I've ever mentioned this publicly, but this is going to shock a lot of people. I, in high school,

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I gave a presentation to my high school that the moon landings were fake.

49:22

Really? Yes. So I fully believe the moon landings were faked. I looked at the evidence, the, the waving flag and all this stuff.

49:33

And, uh, I held that position. And so for me, and I think this is probably true for a lot of people. When you have either a, like what

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I would call secret knowledge that feels good because you're like, I have something that other people don't have.

49:47

Yeah. Or when you, when, when you believe there's a coverup, anybody with a heart is going to want to expose the coverup.

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They're going to want to expose the lie. They're going to want to expose the deception. So I think those are kind of the main two things that lead people into flat earth.

50:02

I would consider myself a conspiratorial person. And so I consider myself kind of ripe for accepting flat earth.

50:13

And I did give it an honest look. I did watch the arguments, watch the videos, really, really listened to what was being said.

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And I tried to get things from both sides. I think both sides are guilty of not doing that. I think a lot of people on the globe side, only listen to stuff on the globe side, people in the flatter side, only listen to stuff on the flatter side.

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We have to know what people who disagree with us, we have to understand what they believe.

50:37

We just have to, if we want to ever be successful in convincing them that they're wrong on something, you've got to understand their position because if they don't feel understood, they're not even going to consider what you're saying because they don't even believe you understand what they believe.

50:52

And so anyway, yeah, that's kind of where I'm coming from. And again, definitely a semi -conspiratorial person, but I'm not on this issue.

51:01

And this one is the biggie. So this one would be the greatest coverup in the history of the world.

51:10

Yes, it would, bar none, bar none. Yeah. I've still never really fully understood what would be the motive of this coverup?

51:22

If the earth really is flat and NASA knows it's flat, I mean, what are all these rockets doing?

51:29

Why don't they hit the dome? All that kind of, anyway, but what would be the motive for covering this up?

51:36

Yeah, they have reasons. They have different motives. One of them, they believe is to hide

51:42

God. And so they believe the firmament of Genesis 1 is a glass or crystalline dome.

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And so if there is a dome and if it's exposed and people find out about it, in their mind, they're automatically going to be like, okay, we've been disregarding the

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Bible. The Bible was right. There is a God and everybody will start believing in God. That's kind of one of their big reasons as to why the coverup.

52:11

Yeah. Well, there's a million reasons to believe in the

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Bible. And I mean, from archeological reasons, even to when the Bible does touch on science, it's not a science book, but when it does touch on science, it's accurate in what it says.

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So, I mean, there's just a million reasons to not doubt the accuracy and historicity of the scriptures.

52:38

And so, yeah. Your audience might appreciate this. The Bible actually talks about gravity.

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This is something I also want flat earthers to consider because they don't believe in gravity.

52:51

The Bible talks about the gravitational attraction of two constellations.

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It talks about the Pleiades and it talks about the belt of Orion. And that's actually a statement that was made thousands of years ago before we ever understood what we understand now about constellations, talking about how one of those constellations is gravitationally attracted to the other and the other one is not.

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And those stars are moving away from each other and that's been confirmed. So, that's something that is scientific that we find in the

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Bible that I do believe is evidence that the Bible is the inspired word of God. Amen.

53:35

Amen and amen. I think the water cycle and I mean, lots of things where it touches on science, it's accurate.

53:45

Absolutely. Yeah. And, you know, I know one of the arguments for the earth being the center of everything, they reject the heliocentric model, but the sun where the sun's in the center of the solar system and everything, all the planets revolve around the sun.

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They think that that somehow diminishes earth, it diminishes man.

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And I think just the opposite of that is true because when I look at the expanse of the heavens, the nearest star other than our sun is four light years away.

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That's the closest one. And in our Milky Way galaxy has a hundred billion stars, incomprehensibly huge.

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And that's just one galaxy out of, we don't even know how many. That makes me in awe of God.

54:41

That makes me like, wow, you know, what a magnificent, powerful creator we worship that can speak that, not only speak it into existence, but sustains all of it by the word of his power,

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Hebrews 1 .3. And then it makes me think, wow, what is man that thou aren't mindful of him?

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So I think the model that the flat earthers have,

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I think that actually makes for a smaller God. Yeah.

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Yeah. I've been thinking about that. People have been bringing that to my attention and I don't disagree.

55:23

I need to dwell on it a little bit more, but I do believe the universe is so big and so incredible that, you know, it's possible the difference between heliocentrism and geocentrism might be almost nothing, right?

55:38

If the universe is big enough. And so, yeah, it all points to the glory of God. It all points to his wonderful creation.

55:44

And I personally, you know, one of the reasons I'm a theist, one of the reasons I do believe in a

55:50

God is I just can't see something as incredible as this universe happening by chance, happening by accident without a mind, an intelligent mind behind it.

56:03

I just can't accept that. No, no, I can't either. It takes far more faith to be an atheist than it does to be a

56:12

Christian. Agreed. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And, but the flat earth models also, you mentioned kind of space, but they don't, most of them at least don't even believe in space, right?

56:25

Right. Yeah. So space is out, gravity is out. There's a lot that goes with being flat earth.

56:32

Yeah. Even, you know, even calling the moon a sphere is hard for a lot of flat earthers.

56:39

Calling the moon a rock is hard for a lot of flat earthers because if you think about it, it's kind of like a, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a domino effect.

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It's kind of like a house of cards. Once the shape of the earth goes, everything else has to go. Because if we went to the moon, then that means the rocks we have are moon rocks.

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It means the pictures we have of earth are real pictures. So you have to get rid of all of that. If space is real, then you really have an international space station with people on it.

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And then those pictures of the earth are real. And they're actually orbiting the earth in a circle, which happens with a sphere.

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So all of that kind of has to go away in their model.

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So it's a lot to swallow. It is a lot to swallow. It is. And, and I've interviewed,

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I don't know if you saw it, but I interviewed a few years ago on my channel, Colonel Jeff Williams, who is like you and me.

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He's a Bible believing Christian, young earth guy, straight down the line.

57:37

He's had four tours on the international space station. He's taken more pictures of the earth from the

57:43

ISS than any other person up until recently held the record for the most number of days spent on the

57:49

ISS. It's just a few months ago, I think there was a lady astronaut, female astronaut who eclipsed his record, but if the earth is flat, then he's lying.

58:02

Right. Yeah. I haven't seen that interview. I can't wait to check it out. I haven't, I haven't heard of him either, but yeah, that is the reality, right?

58:10

Is the reality of their position is the people, the amount of people who are lying, the amount of people who are deceiving and the amount of people involved in the coverup goes up exponentially every single year.

58:22

So that is something to consider. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There, there have been a number of Christian astronauts.

58:28

In fact, one, unless he's come back down that I'm not aware of, just a few days ago, four or five days ago, as of this recording, went up in the, was it the

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Boeing rocket? There was a couple of big ones that went up recently, but anyway, a Bible believing

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Christian, which is redundant. Uh, he's up there right now. So, okay.

58:53

Well, um, we'll one last question. So how can people find out more about the final experiment, follow the progress, the developments and, and all of that.

59:03

Yeah. Thanks. So definitely look us up on YouTube. Super easy to find, just search the final experiment on YouTube.

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You'll find our channel. Definitely want to subscribe. We release videos almost daily at this point, because there's so much happening.

59:17

So many updates going on as we try to keep everybody as up to speed as possible.

59:23

Our website's also kind of cool. It's the final experiment .com with hyphens, the hyphen final hyphen experiment .com.

59:29

We have a countdown, a live countdown timer on our website to show you exactly when our plane touches down in Antarctica.

59:36

There's also a list of people who we invited that have participated in the final experiment.

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We have a scoreboard on there. The current, the current score is a seven to one for the globe side.

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And then we also have an interviews tab. This interview will be on there. We're keeping track of how many people from each side interview me.

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And we're trying to promote all the channels who are interviewing me and also helping us promote the final experiment.

01:00:01

And then there's also an FAQ page as well. Uh, we were getting a lot of questions and they were being frequently asked of us.

01:00:07

So we created the FAQ page. And you want to join us in Antarctica, you can come.

01:00:14

Uh, you just got to pay your own way. I can get you information on that. If you have a suggestion to help us make the experiment better, uh, contact us through our website.

01:00:22

And Hey, if you have a channel and you want to interview me, reach out and we'll get that scheduled. So thanks so much.

01:00:28

Absolutely. Absolutely. And so again, you're offering, um, all expenses paid for one flat earther, one globe earther.

01:00:37

Do you have the globe earther secured? Who's got the, the free ticket, right? And that's who again?

01:00:42

That's Dave McKeegan. Oh, Dave McKeegan, the guy with the dog. Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:48

I don't, um, yeah, I'm pretty sure he's not a, not a Christian, but I like that guy. I mean, he's, he's, he's fun to,

01:00:53

I like watching his dog. All right. So Dave McKeegan. Yeah. So he's going all expenses paid looking for a flat earther.

01:01:00

And you know, I heard you say in one of your earlier videos that, uh, if basically if no flat earther takes you up on an all expenses paid trip to settle the debate that in many ways, the final experiment has already begun, right?

01:01:20

That's right. Yeah. I think that would be very telling if we can't find one out of 24 flat earthers, uh, to go to Antarctica when they've been stating how badly they want to go for years.

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So would you, would you, would you guys ever even like consider going to Antarctica?

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I would, um, we were literally trying to, I'm trying to go next year. If we were to get you on a trip to Antarctica and get you to go see

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Antarctica and figure out like a way to crowdsource that, would that change your mind? I would go.

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I'm claiming to go to the South pole, but we're trying to set up an Antarctic trip right now with many truth. There's, I don't really care about people that are like opposed to the truth of this realm.

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It's there. It's irrelevant to me, but, um, yeah, we want to go maybe next winter in the

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North, which would be the summer in the South and try to see what's going on with the sun and planes. As I said, fly them down to Antarctica and, and one group, you know,

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I'm on it. Neil deGrasse Tyson's on it. You know, the, the failed actor, um, you have college professors on there and you follow the shoreline of Antarctica.

01:02:24

Okay. Um, that would prove it right there, but it'll never be done. I'm happy to do it. Right. It's simple. It would end the debate.

01:02:31

Yeah. And I'll tell you what, if, if they don't take you up on that, they're friends, any fair minded person, if no flat earther takes will

01:02:38

Duffy up on this offer, none of them, then that's going to speak volumes. The experiment has indeed already begun.

01:02:46

Yeah. I don't think it'll happen, but we'll see. Time will tell. Yeah. Hopefully not. All right. Will, thank you so much, brother.

01:02:52

Thank you for your efforts in this. And as we close, just to say again, I kind of put a cap on this.

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Um, one of the, one of the things that, that makes me concerned and interested in this issue is because we believe that the, given that many of the flat earthers do claim to be

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Christian, that this is bringing a lot of unnecessary ridicule upon the gospel in the name of Christ, right?

01:03:23

Yeah. If, if flat earth is false, uh, absolutely. This is definitely giving the world another reason to reject the gospel, to reject scripture, to reject

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Christianity. And so that's important. And on the other, on the flip side, if flat earth is true, uh, then this is something that needs to be shown and stated.

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It's something that, you know, would give people possibly a new look at the Bible. And so that's what

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I want for the final experiment is to just put this issue to bed one way or the other, stop the fighting, stop the heated debates, and then let's move forward with the truth.

01:04:01

Indeed. Amen. And amen. So if the sun does set, dear friends, Will Duffy will change his position before he even gets on the plane to come back from Antarctica and he will make that known.

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And I will offer a very full public apology video on my

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YouTube channel. I will post it and I will delete, I will honestly delete every other video

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I have on my channel and never put up another one. That video, that apology video will remain on my channel in perpetuity.

01:04:34

So that's incredible. That's all right. Thank you so much.

01:04:40

You're welcome. You're welcome. Will. And planes, as I said, fly them down to Antarctica and, and one group, you know,

01:04:46

I'm on it. Neil Degrasse Tyson's on it. You know, the, the failed actor, um, you have college professors on there and you follow the shoreline of Antarctica.

01:04:54

Okay. Um, that would prove it right there, but it'll never be done. I'm happy to do it. Right. It's simple.

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It would end the debate. The final experiment has indeed begun. Thank you very much for watching dear ones until our next time together.

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May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of his Holy spirit be with you all.