False Predictions for 2021 with Justin Peters

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Hi, I'm Andrew Rappaport from the Christian Hi, I'm Andrew Rappaport from the

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Christian. Let me do that again. Yikes I'm on yours for Justin here must that must be

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I said this I did a short Just a 30 minute and hopefully encouraging a Facebook message the other day

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Yesterday and I just wanted to say for folks that you know

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I told said on there that I can answer any Question you have about God on the Bible.

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So if you have any question, whatever it is, I can answer it I firmly know that I can answer any question you have if you doubt that then come on in and give the challenge

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You can ask me any question that you want and I can answer it But tonight we're gonna have a guest with us and we are going to be discussing some of the predictions of the prophets

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Yes, the prophets from 2020 and 2021. So the if you're going to talk about Prophets and prophecies in this day and age.

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Well, there's one man you have to bring in and he is None other than if I had a drumroll,

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I would do that. But but it is Justin Pierce. Oh wait. No How did you sneak in here

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Well, we can't hear you you're muted so While you unmute your mic will you wanted the uglier the two?

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Yeah. Well, we'll bring in the real guest. I use Justin Peters. This is gonna be hard Justin Pearson Justin Peters.

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Oh It's gonna be a long night. I could see I mean I was being called Mike last week. Yeah, Mike this week

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So if you didn't see it Justin last week we played a Voice message from a black you were

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Israelite that kept referring to me as Mike Not only did he leave that on you know, but in all the private chat comments, he kept calling me

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Mike it's funny you mentioned that because I got an email from a black Hebrew Israelite just a couple days ago and I mean basically said that if you are a white person

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You're you're about to be under judgment and it's coming whether you like it or not and so Yeah, well

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The thing is there's a lot of what we talked about last week with black

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Hebrew Israelites that plays into what we see with the black lives matter and For black you some black

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Hebrew Israelites They're looking at with the black lives matter movement and they see this as a fulfillment of prophecy

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That they will rain that whites will become their slaves and that they will own everything

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That's what some are looking for and they look at what's going on and go. Yep, so They called himself

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King David. He thinks he's King David. Oh, well, this guy was the chosen one the chosen one.

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Yes Yeah, so I I don't know his father was David one. His mother was

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Sarah one. I don't know So so who's this saying? It's a Justin squared show

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I'll put that up. I thought you'd like that No, I was gonna put up KT puts it well

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KT is saying what about Justin So so We have we have

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Justin Peters and Justin Pierce Can't even go with Justin P tonight But what we want to do tonight folks and again if you want to join you can join us discuss

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Using your mic in your video and you're good to go. All right, so We really should not give

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Justin Pierce the controls You might need to remove the controls from you. So hey, look you do whatever you want.

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It's your show I'm just I'm just a backup. I'm the high paid high paid co -host now

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Now drew is saying we need an Andrew squared to go with Justin squared. Well drew. Hello get in here

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I think you know a podcast on you know, some of these You know false predictions.

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You should have it already. You should have your show notes ready, but that aside Let's let's get to business here we're gonna have a bunch of clips that we're gonna play for you

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Justin's gonna tell me when to cue things up and we're gonna he's gonna explain some of those clips that he has dug through but Justin as we think about 2020

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We think about some of the things that were predicted at the beginning of the year of vision

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I mean, it's it is funny how 2020 was starting out as the year of vision and suddenly

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Big part of that vision everyone missed so go through at least some of the predictions that were laid out for Either before 2020 for 2020 or even in 2020

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Some of the predictions that you saw that well didn't quite Come to pass

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Yeah, so where to begin every year the charismatic charismatic prophets put forward their prophecies what

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God is showing them about the upcoming year they they begin to do this in late December and First few days of January typically that's when they usually do it.

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And so last year January of 2020 Sid Roth host of the program.

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It's supernatural Sid Roth and dr Michael Brown are very good friends and Sid Roth had a who's who of the prophetic leaders and There was about 20 of them on this one show on just one show and you had like Perry Stone Cindy Jacobs Patricia King James Gaul Hank Newman Jeremiah Johnson Tracy Cook and just these names some of the more well -known names of the prophetic movement and they all gave their prophecies about what

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God was going to do in the then upcoming year of 2020 and You go through all of them and they're all very vague

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But they are all positive all of them were positive You know occasionally might have a prophet say something like oh there's gonna be a shaking and but it's always this word salad of nebulous

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Vague terms. Well, there's gonna be a shaking. Well, of course, there's gonna be a shaking, you know as somewhere There's gonna be an earthquake.

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In fact every year there's thousands of earthquakes. So They can point to oh, yeah.

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See I prophesied there would be a shaking sure enough There was a earthquake in California Worry about that either because they knew there was gonna be an election and elections are always shaky

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Yeah, yeah, that's that's getting to yeah I'll get there in just a second.

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So but anyway, all of them were very nebulous you know just vague prophecies and Ironically one of them, okay

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Not one of them not a single one prophesied kovat 19 not one prophesied that there would be any kind of a disease or epidemic or pandemic or plague or anything like that, so 2020 saw some of the most earth -shattering globally impacting events in our lifetime and None of these prophets saw it coming not one

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There was one prophet named Chuck Pierce and you can google him if you want to but anyway

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Chuck Pierce After kovat 19 was already but see in January.

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Nobody knew about it first half of January. Nobody knew about it at least none of us knew about it and but then after kovat 19 became

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Started making some news then Chuck Pierce came out and he said oh I prophesied back in I think it was

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October of 2019 he said I prophesied a massive plague -like invasion would happen in 2020

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Well funny thing is as I went to looking for that prophecy and it was nowhere to be found

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Even in the highlight reel that some people in his ministry made for him for kind of like a 2019 best of Video they put together all of Chuck Pierce's more well -known.

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I suppose prophecies from 2019 Nowhere Was that prophecy to be found now think of think of this so we're in by this time

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We're in like March of 2020 and people are really now I mean things are starting to shut down people are panicking and and and you come out and say that you had a prophecy of kovat 19 back in in the previous year and You have a highlight reel of your prophecies.

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Oh if that had been me I would have that on a loop. I Mean, I would be

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I would be Plastering that everywhere. Well that prophecy doesn't exist because he never made it

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He just lied about it. In fact, I called his ministry Called up the secretary and asked her, you know, where is this prophecy and she's oh he never said that Yeah, he did.

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Actually. I have an old video So so we got it I just I got to do this

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Justin at this point by the way, you know I realized we didn't even introduce you So you're just so well -known.

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We did so Justin Peters from the Know Justin Pierce. I know you you know this about Justin Peters, but he's a very creative individual

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His name his ministry name believe it or not is Justin Peters ministries

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No, it's something like exposing the heretics ministries or something like that. I remember no No, it's Justin Peters ministries and and and you can go there at Justin Peters org

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I mean that is you know what? I think it is. Seriously, Justin Pierce. You know what? I think it is

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It's just that Justin Peters is really smart he's so smart that he figured if he gets older And he starts to lose his mind as long as he remembers his name.

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He's got everything else figured out He can remember his ministry his website everything That's what it is

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Very creative name. Thank you. I feel I feel vindicated but Justin Peters of Justin Peters ministries at Justin Peters org who for folks who don't know you you know, you're you have an expertise in in New Episoche Reformation Word of Faith teachers.

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So just so people know that And Now I forget what

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I was originally budding in for Justin Peters is going to be going on the Israel trip.

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Yes the same one Yeah We could we could plug that since you since now that you signed up you you want to plug it until your name was in There so it didn't fill up.

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Okay So Justin will be going to Israel. You can go to Israel tour 2021 .com that is a place that you can go to sign up for to go to Israel a striving fraternity and Justin Peters ministries and We're doing enough two weeks in Israel 13 days

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We're gonna be seeing a lot of sites It is gonna be a very enjoyable time and I believe that it may be the last time we get to go to Israel Because in another couple years, we may all be in jail.

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So I'm doing prison ministry, but You know, it is something that I think is gonna be a good trip if you guys can make it out

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I do think that it's something you should consider doing. So Justin the the fact that you called up His ministry is the reason that one

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Matt slick refers to you as the spiritual Batman And Brian Simmons actually feels that maybe you should call that spiritual

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Batman ministries that could be the name of his but You got that you got the nickname spiritual

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Batman because you're willing to walk up to anybody and And speak truth to them you got that name because you you got up on stage with Todd Bentley at one of his

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Still I still to this day cannot figure out how nobody noticed You walking up in crutches on stage and got all the way behind him before any of his guards realized

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I mean, I've I've been with you. I've seen you walk. You don't walk very quickly No, I'm exactly quiet either.

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I had to give up my career as a ninja because I just couldn't sneak up on any So so you called you called and they said that that they don't even have

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That he never or the secretary Lee said that he never said it which is kind of interesting The video because he made the claim that he made that probably back in all of 2019 so I asked where I could see this prophecy and she said sir

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He never made he'd never said that and I said well Well, yeah, actually he did. I've got I have this on video

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I've watched it. No, sir. He never said that. He just said that that he said we would be he said she said

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He said that what he said was we would have a true Passover Which it's not at all what he said

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So he he lied about it. He just flat lied about it and Before you move on with that before you move on with that because there's a question

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I came in for you And for folks on Facebook if you there is a link on apologetics live

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That will tell you so we could see your name But a question it says question for Justin. What are your thoughts on the

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Q &A that dr Michael Brown did in his attempt to explain on the false prophecies of 2020 So this is where he was explaining a way that you had done a video

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Dealing with Sid Roth's 20 prophecies and you you examined each of them and I think this was

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Michael Brown Responding really to your video. I don't think that's what the person's asking because the the question

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Is Much more recent just the other night. Yeah, okay, maybe night before last

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I believe Michael Brown did a Facebook video live thing and He was talking about how profoundly wrong all of the prophets were

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Specifically well, he did deal with Kovat a little bit but mainly with the election the United States presidential election which 100 % of the prominent charismatic prophets prophesied that Donald Trump would win the election

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And not to win the election because what some of them are trying to do now. Oh, well, Donald Trump really won

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There's just a lot of voter fraud. Well, I Happen to agree.

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I think there was a lot of voter fraud But but they didn't just say that he would win the election. They said he would have a second term

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And Not a second term Non -consecutively in other words like maybe four years from now.

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He runs again and then he wins. No a consecutive Second term eight straight years in the

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White House. That's what 100 % of these charismatic prophets prophesied 100 % of them and obviously, they're wrong and So anyway to the to the person asking the question

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I did watch Most of Michael Brown's event from a couple nights ago

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Let me say this to his credit He did say that there is no way to get around the fact that they were wrong

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He said you can't do any gymnastics to say. Oh, well, you know, he Donald Trump really won the election

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It's just a lot of fraud. No, and he actually said, you know, we can't do rubber prophecies He did say that the prophets got it wrong and so That was good

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But the problem I had is that he also he gave all of these excuses and all these reasons

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Why they were wrong not one of which was that they're false prophets. See Michael Brown doesn't believe that if a prophet

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Prophesies falsely then that makes him a false prophet. It just makes him a incorrect prophet a prophet who missed it but that that is doing gymnastics with the text you cannot

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The Bible is very very clear what constitutes a false prophet. I mean read in Deuteronomy chapter 13 read in Deuteronomy chapter 18 read in Ezekiel chapter 13

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Among other things one of the criteria of a false prophet is if a if a prophet prophesies something that does not happen

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He or she is a false prophet That's one of the one of the ways you can tell a false prophet not the only one but one of the ones but that's ironclad and Brown says well, you know

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New Testament prophets are not held to the same standard as Old Testament prophets

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But that doesn't make any sense for a couple of reasons He says, you know, we don't stone anybody today and granted.

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Yeah Benny Hinn Kenneth Copeland Jeremiah Johnson Bill Johnson, they're all false prophets

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I'm not advocating that we stone any of them, of course because we're not living in You know the

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Old Testament theocracy that Israel was so those the penalty does not apply but the standard by which you determine who is a

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False prophet has not changed the penalty has changed stoning

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We don't do that anymore. But the standard is how to determine who is a false prophet that has not changed.

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So all of these people are False prophets they clearly are and and so that's one thing.

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That's that's one area in which Michael Brown's Argument breaks down. The other one is think about this

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How is it that under the New Covenant Everything is better, right?

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I mean, that's what the book of Hebrews is about Jesus is better. He's a better high priest he is a

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He offers us a better covenant Everything is better. That's what the whole book of Hebrews is about.

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Jesus is better. Everything in the New Covenant is better than the Old Covenant except Prophecy Somehow that has been degraded

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Somehow that's taken a nosedive. It just makes absolutely no sense. There is no biblical reason no hermeneutical reason to say that New Testament prophets are somehow fallible and not held to a 100 % standard of Accuracy that the

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Old Testament prophets were. That makes no sense. Everything's better in the New Covenant except prophecy

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On what grounds do you say that? So I'm actually gonna do a video on his

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Facebook live thing and I'm gonna put in a lot of other video clips from all these other people and It's gonna be a pretty impactful.

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I hope by God's grace video I'm gonna have a lot in it. And I tell you what, I'm gonna I'm not gonna mince words.

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I am NOT gonna mince words Mince words. Well, no Here's the thing these prophets have been so spectacularly wrong on Everything this year

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I mean none of them saw COVID coming even after it did come then they said oh

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Well, it's not gonna become a pandemic like Sean Bolt said even Fox News blew it away or they immediately blew it away

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You brought out it was kind of funny the video where Hagen, no, sorry

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Copeland Hagen Not only ended, you know put an immediate stop to COVID but like the next week or a couple weeks later

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He brought an immediate vaccine for the COVID He just said at noon ended and you were like, why do you need a vaccine if you ended it?

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If you just wiped it out. In the same breath. Yeah, I mean He banished it on March 29th.

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And even I mean, I've had this on my video You can go and look on my YouTube channel. It's you know from Back in April, I believe

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April or May YouTube channel. Do we just go to YouTube and search for Justin Peters?

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Yeah, or Justin Peters ministries and it should come up and yeah So you don't have finding your

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YouTube channel, right? What's that? Remember your name you can find everything Yeah, I didn't yeah hindsight being 2020 ought to try to be more creative because there's people to accuse me of Being narcissistic.

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I really don't think that was my motivation. I'm just I'm not creative. So College I called it

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Justin Peters ministries. But anyway On March 29th 2020

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Kenneth Copeland Literally, he banished COVID and actually looked at his watch you can see

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I mean does like this right now he says at high noon March 29th 2020 it is gone and He banishes it and then in the same breath.

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He says he said I I Command it to die. I command it to shrivel. I I command a vaccine to come immediately

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What I mean literally in the same breath He commands it to die, but then commands a vaccine

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Well, if you if you killed it, what's the need for a vaccine? so You know

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Literally wrong they Put this connection together, but these word -of -faith prophecies

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They almost remind me of like the Democrat Party I mean they could they could show complete hypocrisy be like seven months of we should let them riot

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We should let them tear down monuments. We just let them boy. They have to be able to have their voice and then when a bunch of Conservatives make

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The same voice which I said and in it the the Facebook live ID yesterday

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I think both were wrong, but at least we could say both are wrong They were after seven months of saying let him riot.

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Let him riot. Let him riot Protest shouldn't be peaceful and all of a sudden they're outraged because someone protest and it was peaceful It almost sounds like them you could you could see it's right in front.

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Look look at it's right in front of your face I can't see it. Yeah, they call it the summer of love As less on the set on face or on YouTube.

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Oh, yeah So the question that came in earlier Let me just let me get to this and and I see a lot of folks asking questions

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That's actually the reason for the show But there another way Justin I should have mentioned this at the beginning because there's another way to get a question asked

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And if you click the dollar sign, you could donate to striving for eternity And then we make sure we read that that's called a super chat and they show up differently

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I guess on the screen and we get to to see it I actually would love to see someone do it just so I could see what it looks like So I could make sure that it works, right?

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But the question that was asked by Melissa is does just curious. Does anyone know what denomination

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Pence is now? Someone thought that he was Episcopalian I said he is

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Baptist and someone tried to tell me he's not Baptist He's Baptist and and I forget what they what it was

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He they said a easy free church evangelical free church, which but it is a small Baptist Church say

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Andrew How do you know this? Because I've been there I have family that knows mr.

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Pence personally They go to church with him. And so I've been to the church that he that he goes to when he's not in DC So no, he's he's not

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Episcopalian And Justin you're putting up there that we should be the thing we should also remember which is to give

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Reviewed we and that reminds me what I was supposed to start off the show with and you know You were supposed to let me know this before we got

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Justin speaking, but you didn't you let him go and You know now

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I gotta go look for this to see what our oh and you put me a big on screen as there you go

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Great thanks. So let me read Justin you see how well organized we are here.

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I mean we we got this covered. This is a professional operation Yes, this is great. Why we make the big bucks, you know, well

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You know, it's all if Justin would have gotten in here earlier. We wouldn't have been scrambling last minute.

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That's that's what it is We'll blame him All right, so does that look better People do the show that way.

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He wants to make so question for Justin would it be fair to do a parallel or comparison of Brian Brian Simmons that Simmons with an s not to Be mistaken with the

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Brian Simmons who commented earlier But a comparison of Brian Simmons and his passion translation and Joseph Smith and the

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Book of Mormon in regards to how Both men claim how they down they got downloads from God So first off, are you familiar with Brian Simmons here?

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And if so, can you explain to me at least and not not this Brian Simmons who's right there?

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That's not the Brian Simmons the one that just popped up on screen So it's different Brian Simmons, but I'm not familiar with it that translation.

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Are you? Yes, okay, can you explain the backstory on that and then if there's a comparison there yeah, so Brian Simmons, I don't recall the name of his

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Brian Simmons is Word of Faith New Apostolic Reformation and he He has come up with his own

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Bible translation. It's called the passion translation a

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Number of problems here. His theology is heretical He's Word of Faith New Apostolic Reformation.

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So that's him outside of biblical Christianity He has come up with a he claims

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So he claims to be a Bible scholar. He claims to know Greek and Aramaic and Hebrew It's clear.

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He doesn't but he's come up with a new translation called the passion translation, which is being heavily heavily promoted by Bethel Church pastored by Bill Johnson and Charismatics are eating it up.

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I mean it is becoming kind of the the go -to translation now for many many charismatics

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It's growing by leaps and bounds and he claims that it's scholarly and all this kind of stuff.

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It's not There's a lot of problems with it there are many many many places where it is just Flat -out objectively demonstrably and laughably

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Wrong. I say laughably it would be laughable if it weren't that we were dealing with something so very serious the

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Word of God but it is it is objectively a horrible horrible

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Translation. It's not a translation. It's It which leads me to this point

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Anytime you have a Bible Translation that is produced by one person

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Then you know, you've got a problem because good Bible translations are not made that way every good

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Bible translation is The passion translation is garbage to your writing.

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Yes, it is. I absolutely agree atomic apologetics it is

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Because when you have one person coming up with his own translation and The other good example of this or bad example of this would be the message by Eugene Peterson, which is garbage as well

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I tell people I've done some research on the message more so on the message in the passion

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I'm passion translation. I'm working on but There's no accountability

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There's no accountability Whether you're talking about the King James and the New American Standard or the

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ESV and the legacy standard translation Which is coming out this year

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Lord willing that I'm super excited about It's it's basically the New American Standard just improved

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That's coming out this year, but you have a team scholars

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Biblical language Scholars and you have a team of them. And so there is there's literally layers of accountability and layers of Academic Care that is put into a good

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Bible translation The passion translation has none of that. The message has none of that.

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Both of them are garbage I mean it, you know if you want to come up with your own version of Green eggs and ham knock yourself out.

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That's fine But we're talking about the Word of God that God Psalm chapter 138 verse 2

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God holds his Word in his name above all things.

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So we are not at liberty to play loosey -goosey with The inspired

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Word of God. We're not at liberty to do that And yet that is what Brian Simmons has done. But all that to say to answer that question

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Yes, that's a very fair analogy because both Brian Simmons and Joseph Smith and Muhammad for that matter claim to get new revelation

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Revelation from outside of Scripture. That is one of the hallmarks of a false teacher. Anytime someone gets new information

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Claiming it is divine But that information is coming from some source any source other than the

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Bible Then you know, you know, you're dealing with a false prophet and Brian Simmons claims that Brian Simmons claims that God downloaded this information to him and Beth Moore's made the same claim as well, by the way, but that's that's a whole other rabbit trail

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So so does he so Joseph Smith, you know claim that he got these, you know golden plates

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The translation of them occurred by him for folks who don't know

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He he basically had a hat and he stuck his head into the hat and supposedly gave letter by letter

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The translation of these golden plates that were in this Egyptian higher, you know

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Hieroglyphics that no one has ever seen Supposedly and of course that God took the plates away so we don't get to see them but Yes, so so, okay

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Let's go to we have Drew here someone that you may have know his face But drew from the one half of the matter of theology podcast excellent podcast award -winning podcast or soon to be

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That was new to me, so But maybe

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I just slipped on something so, you know What's up, Justin Oh look, that's very very nicely done looks nice.

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So we call this the four squared show now They're just a beautiful display behind him of a crutch foundation of faith, you know his doors closed

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Sometimes he'll have a little rat with her come behind him, but the doors closed so we won't see that today

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So so drew what do you have for us today? Yeah, so one of the things

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I wanted to bring up was a question that you guys can answer because we're talking about Bible prophecy or You guys are talking about Bible prophecy and looking at the false prophets but how is the proper way to do

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Bible prophecy or or or prophecy in general because I went looking today for some of the 2021 predictions

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Prophetic words and I came across this video of this rascal just he opened his

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Bible and he started in Genesis 1 and Then he started talking about you know

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Who God is and then he went to the bad news that you know

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We're all sinners and then we deserve, you know judgment and death

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But then he went to the good news about Jesus so I'm just you know, how's the proper way to do

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Prophecy in ministry and if you know that rascal, you know, tell him to come to get out of here

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So what Drew's talking about I put it together so I I had my own prophetic word for 2021 and I put it up On New Year's Day.

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It took me a bit to figure out. I was like, oh and what is he talking about? No, I got it God's God spoke to me for the second year in a row by the way second year in a row

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God spoke to me a prophetic word for the new year. So that's up on my youtube channel and I've been amazed honestly at some of the people that have commented and said

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Justin I can't believe you said this this goes against everything that you've ever taught Scripture I'm like Have you watched this?

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If you remember way back when you and I talked about this that I had the idea that I wanted to Like I'm starting on a

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Monday say that I was gonna give a prophecy on Friday And like all week just mentioned that God gave me a word and I was gonna you know

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And I was gonna do it drag it out all week. And then I was gonna just read scripture You're judging judging them sort of playing off what you did with Todd Bentley when you you got up there and you just turned to Him and said you got up on stage.

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He said I have a word for you. He's like, oh you do. Let me hand you the mic No clue what

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Justin was gonna say What's even better is that Justin just quoted

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Matthew 7 21 to 23 and he didn't know that was scripture, right? He's like, oh, who's the man?

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Justin's like you are So but but Justin told me not to do that because With the wise counsel he gave is because if I had done that all week long people would be like Andrew's the last season up He's done

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Would never stick around for Friday to to hear it Chris said that Chris Hans hols

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He said that you can't expect people to actually watch the video before Yes, you're right

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Chris I just Amazed honestly, I never cease to be amazed. It's not even a long video.

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It's only like six or seven minutes, I think But I see what KT is saying with Andrew drew and Justin P Justin P Yeah, you know we could we could do

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Andrew Andrew and Justin Justin, but you know in this case, it'd be and it's Andrew R and Andrew V so it's you know

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Well, I can tell you having this had this name just in all my life and I'll know I'll guarantee a

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Justin Peters below me brother I'll guarantee he can say the same thing that if you say justice

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Everybody calls us justice or they'll call us Jason Jason or Justin Price All the names well, here's here's something that you know

41:32

When you when you get to travel with Justin a lot people recognize him He's easy to recognize Justin Peters because well, he's usually in a scooter or walking on crutches so he kind of stands out right and So in all the times

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I've we've we go there's everywhere we go people recognize him Except for one time.

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I picked him up from the airport. We're going to my pastor's house For a study and then we're he and I were head out to Pennsylvania, but we grabbed some sushi first I don't know if you remember this

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Justin and Justin goes, you know, he gets on his crutches and he gets a seat He sits down and I needed to go use the restroom and as I'm you know

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I get him seated I start making away a restroom and someone is is waving me down to stop me and I kind of like okay

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Someone just recognized Justin and the guy goes. Hey, is that Bruce something or nothing?

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And I'm like no and I just kept walking I was already expected to go.

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Yeah, that's him No, oh Yeah, we

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I forgot so we have Mike and then we have yeah, that's right. That's right. I'm Mike Yeah, because our black -and -white friend is in here he's claiming that I'm I'm Andrew is revealing that his message is not of Romans 6 8

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Romans 8 16. There you go. Let's look that up I'm not sure what that is offhand

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Yeah, he's trying to throw in some comments to see if he can rile up some feathers He himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God Huh?

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I wonder how he views children of God. Yeah, I was just thinking because I bet he doesn't know that John 1 12

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You have that in front of you. Is that what you open to? I open to Romans 8 16. Okay, so John 1 12 says that we're not all children of God But as many but as many as received him to them he gave the right to become a child of God Even to those who believe on his name now

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We have here something for our friend to listen to this is context. Let me keep reading who were who were born not of blood

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Not of the will of flesh not of the will of man but of God now if you guys listen to last week

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We talked about black Hebrew Israelites this gentleman who is a claims He's he's and he is a

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Hebrew Israelite because of his bloodline No, wait, no the color of it.

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Sorry Not born of blood that's referring to genealogy You're so you're not saved by your genealogy.

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If you're an Israelite, you're not going to heaven just based on that You're not going to heaven just because you desire it the will of the the flesh nor the will or sorry the or the will

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Of man, so it's not by your desire. It's not by being a good person and it's not by doing good works it is only that last phrase but of God No, did you see what he said?

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He said but of and then he threw up seed. Yeah If he if he's in Romans He needs to go back and see where Paul says are we

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Jews better off then right by no means we're not just because you're a

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Jew doesn't make you better off because if then go to Acts and look at where the

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Gentiles were brought in Cornelius Peter goes to Cornelius in Acts 10 and it's

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The Gentiles are now brought in and what does Peter say? Well, I've never touched anything that's unclean and he's you know

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Here we see the the difference between meats clean and unclean meats and and it's a representation of Jews and Gentiles Clean and unclean.

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Hey Don't confuse him with context Sorry, sorry, sorry

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Look for folks who don't know Melissa, I'm sorry. I'm gonna have to read a comment to you because you know

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Some of us here, I'll just give you a hint. It's it's it's one half of the just inside One of the

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Justin how this works quite yet. So in the private chat Justin typed thank you for your kind words,

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Melissa glad You like the Santa video he commented that in the private chat and not the comments

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Okay We're gonna teach him technology He's gonna get this down. So so real quick Let me let me

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I'm gonna bring Drew if you have more just let us know later on. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'll just hang out backstage.

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Yeah, hang up backstage I'm gonna bring Brian Simmons in this is a different Brian Simmons Brian Simmons. Oh Yeah, he's the non -heretic one if you remember

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Brian glad So Brian welcome to apologetics live what do you have for us tonight?

46:31

Thank you so much Rob. No, I've never been so glad about having a different spelling of the name,

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I guess What I was actually and and Justin and had had got me on this journey to Help find which types of music that should be played on radio stations should be played in churches

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What should be played churches? We've I Listened back to a bunch of old

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Videos that you've read we had and conferences and I came up with four and I wanted to know if there's any more to add

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It was Jesus culture Hillsong Bethel and elevation

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I believe are the ones to avoid a plank. Is that correct? That is correct

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Yeah, and you need to add that Mauer in there Matt Yeah, Matt Mauer The Roman Catholic who's on every radio station in the world.

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Don't put him into your music. No, it's it's a No, you're dead Matt. Isn't it Meyer or something?

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I think you're the last name is pronounced different. I saw isn't it? Yeah, there it is

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Okay, I They pronounce it Mauer around here. So I just like stay away from him. Oh, there's

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Chris Hough Yeah, that's the other half of that's the other half of voice a reason

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I'm sorry, yeah, that's that was wrong that That would be a way better podcast.

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That's that's above their pay grade at matter of theology. Sorry about that Chris I didn't mean Chris Han holds root story.

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I didn't mean to you know degrade you by but but yeah Hough Hough is in the house.

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Chris Hough is withdrew on matter of theology So it's it's the other half of matter of theology.

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He should be actually in here, you know is what he should do But so, all right. Thank you. Thanks Brian. I want to I would

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I want to do I'm gonna put Brian backstage if you guys if you guys have more Drew and Brian that you want to come in just tell us in the private chat

48:37

Justin you gave me some videos for us to look at And I want to I want to go through some of these and take a look at what we have

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You you tell me which or you know, we haven't numbered So you just tell me when you want when you're ready for me to play which one and I'll get them up so you you start with explaining what what we're gonna view and And I'll have it queued up and ready.

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Okay. Now I'm gonna have to go back and look at the order Okay, one was

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Copeland Okay Okay Yeah, I think the first okay, so the first one of Copeland this is this was recorded after The election, of course cut

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Kenneth Copeland prophesied like all of them that that Donald Trump would win reelection have a second term What we're about to watch is after the elections a number of days after the election

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After Biden had already been declared the president -elect even though technically that had not yet happened

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But this was after the election Joe Biden's gonna gonna be the next occupant of the Oval Office and this was

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Kenneth Copeland's response All right. So here it is

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I Gotta say

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Justin that was probably the best sermon. I ever heard him preach is he demon -possessed? Honestly honestly think he is and and I don't say this lightly

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But and I don't believe they're all demon -possessed like Paul White I don't think she's demon -possessed is she a false prophet

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Yes, is she demon -possessed? No, I don't think so. But there's two of them that I Genuinely believe are demon -possessed one is

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Kenneth Copeland and the other is Todd Bentley those two for sure for sure I agree 100 %

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Yeah. Yeah so Trump, you know lost

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Biden's been declared the president -elect and Rather than have a little bit of rather than a little pause thinking, you know, maybe

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I missed this one. Maybe maybe Maybe Trump's not gonna have a second term. He doubles down on it.

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There is okay Trump. I mean, excuse me Copeland didn't see kovat 19 coming when it came he banished it that didn't work

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Then he decided a couple of weeks later. Well, or maybe actually about one week later Uh, I know what

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I'll get it now a heatwave because at the time everybody was saying Oh when summer comes the heat will just kind of kill this thing off naturally and so Kenneth Copeland on on April the 2nd

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Conjured up a supernatural heatwave and Literally, I looked I went to weather .com

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and I looked up the stats the very next day after Kenneth Copeland conjured up a supernatural heatwave there was a

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Unusual strong cold front that came through the very next day. The high temperature next day was 31 degrees below average

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The day after he conjured up a supernatural heatwave, I mean he has been comically comically wrong

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Spectacularly wrong. Maybe only be everyone really show God's doing a super work by making it really cold before he makes it really hot

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Yeah, that's what it is That didn't happen either. I mean, I mean, it's just I mean these people have absolutely be clowned themselves they have made a

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They have made a complete mockery out of the out of themselves I'm gonna okay

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Andrew that probably leads us up to the next clip. So Why you pull that up? What do you have is number two while you're pulling that up Jennifer H.

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She made this point He his his made him a liar God made him a liar, you know

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And if you think about that concept what you just said, he said it's gonna be a heatwave Instantly cold snap.

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Yeah, God made him a liar. Yeah, I agree with that. That's that's a good point So honestly and before while it's just on my head honestly

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And it's no secret. I didn't vote for Joe Biden. Okay, I voted for Trump. Some people don't like that, but I did

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He's not a believer. He's not a Christian. He's in need of regeneration You know Huh? The left is gonna be coming after you

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They're coming anyway brother, yeah, they're coming after all of us. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Oh What caused me more concern that Donald Trump would not win reelection is not the voter fraud

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It's not dead people voting It's not all of this stuff that we've been hearing about for the last two months

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What convinced me more than anything else that Trump would not win is that every single one of these prophets prophesied that he would yeah, and I mean honestly and that caused me more

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Concern over Trump not winning is because I just could not imagine that God would would in any way honor

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All of these false prophets and give them any shred of credibility But they have done a spectacular face plant this year a spectacular face plant that the last 12 months have seen the highest concentration of globally impactful events in any of our lifetimes and the these prophets got got it wrong on every

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Single point they didn't see kovat coming. They banished it It didn't banish it it grew none of them saw the riots coming that raged every night

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In dozens of cities across this country every night. I have to stop you there because there was only one riot this entire year

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It happened at there were no other. I don't know what you're talking about There was no encouraging of any riots.

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There was no encouraging of tearing down monuments. That didn't happen. That is a conspiracy theory This is all love.

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It was all love friend. You you shouldn't spend conspiracy like that, right? Yeah, well they didn't see that riot either

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I mean they didn't see they didn't see the BLM Antifa riots they didn't see

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What happened at the nation's capital last week? None of them saw that they all prophesied

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Trump would win reelection. He didn't None of them saw the second impeachment.

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That's a pretty big deal. None of them saw that I mean the four peace deals in the

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Middle East. Yeah I mean, it's something else. Yeah, I mean the the some of the most monumental events all concentrated in the last 12 months and None of them saw any of it coming.

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So here's my question Here's my question If they cannot get something, right?

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Let's just take one of these things the presidential election if they can't get that right something is monumental as the

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United States Presidential election something for which they had at minimum four years to prepare.

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I mean everybody knew Trump's gonna run for re -election, right? So they had four years to make sure they were hearing

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God rightly on this and They missed it and they had a 50 -50 chance of getting it right just by guessing right out of the gate

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I mean, it's gonna be one of the two of them. So if they can't get that, right? What good are they?

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What what makes people think they can get it right on anything else if you miss it on that?

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Yeah, what makes you think they're gonna get it right on anything else? Yeah, well

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This next one is with Paula White now you guys heard the the I mean just basically Copeland just laughing and I mean a fake laugh until he actually does at the end

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I think do a real laugh and I think he's laughing at the people who are now laughing at his fake laugh He's like, oh look,

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I I actually got them to start doing this Like he's probably just looking at me going look I could get them to do stupid things

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Well, here's here's Paula White which by the way Paula White's another one of these people that say she hears from God and has prophecies

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Don't you think if she's Trump's spiritual advisor? She could have told him at some point Yeah, you know that he wasn't gonna win re -election.

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So he didn't have to keep pushing the you know, all the lawsuits I mean could have saved all that money if Paula White would have just told her you just told him

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Hey, God God had had a word for us, right? But here's one from Paula White so This is after the election by the way after the election after the election

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Strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and who you have victory for every enemy

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That is aligned against you. Let there be that we would strike the ground for you will give us victory

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God I hear a sound of abundance of rain. I hear a sound of victory I hear a sound of shouting and singing.

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I hear a sound of victory. I hear a sound of an abundance of rain I hear a sound of victory.

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I hear a sound of an abundance of rain I hear a sound of victory the Lord says it is done

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The Lord says it is done The Lord says it is done for I hear victory victory victory victory in the quarters of heaven in the quarters of heaven

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Victory victory victory victory victory victory for angels are being released right now angels are being dispatched right now

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Angels have even descended dispatch from Africa right now Africa right now Africa right now from Africa right now

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That's the sound of your ears exploding And I think that guy walking around behind her pacing back and forth

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I think actually that's her son but anyway, so this was after the election and Paula White, you know is having none of none of the results and just declaring and decreeing that That Trump is gonna win and God is speaking and all of this stuff.

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And you know Here's here's the point I want to make before I let it slip my mind

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The fact of the matter is is that charismatics simply do not take it seriously

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When they put words in God's mouth that he did not say That's not a big deal to them.

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It's just not They don't take it. Seriously. God takes it profoundly seriously

01:00:01

God prescribed the death penalty for people who did But for charismatics, it's no big deal

01:00:11

They don't care They don't care and by the way that video clip from Paula White and and you fellas know this but it was taken from an atheist professing atheist because we know theologically there's no such thing as an atheist, but that's what he calls it and What's that amen?

01:00:32

Yeah, right. Amen. So a professing atheist His his YouTube channel and and there's several of these one of them is called

01:00:41

Holy Kool -Aid This particular man was named Seth Andrews. Holy Kool -Aid is a different atheist channel, but they they had taken videos of all of these prosperity preachers

01:00:53

Word of Faith people and shown video clip after clip after clip after clip after clip of all these well -known

01:00:59

Televangelists making prophecies about Donald Trump winning and they are using that on their channel to mock

01:01:07

Christians mock Christianity and these charlatans have brought untold reproach on the name of Christ an

01:01:18

Untold reproach on the gospel the world is mocking us because of these charlatans

01:01:26

Because of fools that they have made out of themselves and what much of the world believes about Christians and Christianity it gets from Christian television.

01:01:37

They paint all of us with this broad Brush, they think that's that's what Christianity is.

01:01:43

It's Kenneth Copeland and Paula White and Jesse Duplantis and you know all of these others and Sid Roth and Tracy Cook and all these

01:01:53

Bill Johnson and Shawn Bolts and Chris Vallotton and all of these people that have made it

01:01:59

It's it's not that they've just be clowned themselves, which they have They have brought

01:02:06

Incalculable Reproach on the name of Christ and the fact of the matter is is that charismatics don't care

01:02:16

They don't care. Yeah, they don't take it seriously When they put words in God's mouth that he did not say they don't care it's not a big deal to them and I'll tell you it is it is a

01:02:33

True reproach. Well, this next one is you just mentioned Chris Vallotton and this next clip deals with him

01:02:41

So why don't we go to that one now? Real -life prophet this guy hears the voice of God and then gives prophecy from God To the country to the world to the ages.

01:02:56

His name is Chris Vallotton He is from Bethel Church in California. He predicted he prophesied that Donald Trump would win the election

01:03:04

He would win a second term. It is guaranteed. I actually made a note of his quote

01:03:10

He said the Lord wants it. So this was the prophecy Well, of course that prophecy did not come true and this prophet of God went online to apologize

01:03:21

I really want to apologize Sincerely apologize for missing the prophecy about Donald Trump.

01:03:30

I prophesied that Donald Trump would be president four days after he

01:03:36

Four days after he took the not nomination the first time four days after he declared himself a candidate

01:03:45

I should say the first time and I That was obviously right and then later on I prophesied that he would not be impeached

01:03:55

And in fact that he would win another term and I was completely wrong. I take full responsibility for being wrong

01:04:02

There's no excuse for it. I I think it It doesn't make me a false prophet, but it does

01:04:10

Actually create a credibility gap Okay What do we do with a prophet who is biblical rules for a prophet that was wrong

01:04:25

Well, if we were in Old Testament days, he'd be stoned That's how seriously God takes it.

01:04:31

But the guy with the microphone when that clip started that's Seth Andrews He is a professing atheist and this is exactly what

01:04:39

I was talking about This is an atheist channel that is using clips of all these prominent televangelists and they are mocking

01:04:47

Christians now and in Chris Valentine said that you know, he apologized for missing the prophecy and he said it doesn't make him a false prophet yet Does actually yes exactly what it makes you

01:05:00

Chris Valentine And all the others it's exactly what it makes you you are a false prophet

01:05:07

Um, but looks like you're pointing out whether it's in Romans 224 And I know a little different context but still

01:05:15

When things like that are going on and you're involved in sin The name of God is blaspheme among the

01:05:21

Gentiles because of your sin when you're a false teacher when you're a false prophet or you know of when you when you claim prophecy and it's false and And all these guys can blaspheme

01:05:33

God because of the sin You know, that's what that's what's happening and you deserve the rebuke.

01:05:40

Oh Gosh, you know just in a couple of these and you and I were on iron sharpens iron radio last week

01:05:47

I believe and I know we're gonna be coming back on there to finish again I think in February, but I asked you about this because there's several of them like like Chris Valentine and and one of the guys at Bethel I'm forgetting who the other but there's been at least three that I know of that have come out and if they've

01:06:04

They've said the one guy actually said he's not gonna say he actually won, but it was stolen from him or you know

01:06:10

He wasn't gonna make excuses. They they're saying they were wrong The question

01:06:17

I asked you then and I'll ask this again now when they make statements like this when they're They're saying that they prophesied this and this and this and they're wrong on all of them

01:06:26

I mean that Trump wouldn't be impeached that he'd be reelected. He and he's impeached twice no less and The fact that they make these things it it it makes me go.

01:06:35

Well, what is how do they respond? How do they? How how do they

01:06:41

I guess save face with it? And let me before you answer it just because we've got a super chat. So lethal gave $5 and said in Matthew 1928

01:06:50

Who are the twelve thrones for the twelve disciples? Does this include

01:06:58

Judas or Matt Mathias from act or is there is an ambiguous? So let's we're gonna get back to that one.

01:07:03

I just want to put that up so we don't forget it So let me ask you this and we're gonna get to lethal's question

01:07:08

Justin. So How do these guys answer this? How do they deal with the fact that they are?

01:07:17

They they're admitting they're wrong in a prophecy where they're saying that they got it from God I Mean why are people going did

01:07:26

God lie to you or did you lie to us? I mean, that's really Yeah, they well if you know that they've really painted themselves into a corner because this one this was a very specific

01:07:37

You know, you can't just this was not like oh, there's gonna be a shaking There's gonna be a shifting in the atmosphere this year.

01:07:43

You know, this is specific. You can nail this one down So they they say as we just heard from Chris Valentine, well,

01:07:51

I just missed it, you know, sorry Hey, you got I got others, right, but I missed this one Okay, no true prophet does that a true prophet is right 100 % of the time

01:08:03

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01:08:14

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01:08:27

Justin Peter but the and you Do I do have one great with this book and you were just about to mention it, but I do have one great with this book

01:08:36

I got bumped. I got bumped from the forward by John MacArthur He bumped me for John, I mean

01:08:45

I was all ready to write a forward Justin allowed me to write a forward for his book, but it's only in Russian Yeah, oh

01:09:00

Hey, by the way, so everybody that's on the show if you have any complaints contact Andrew Rappaport Yeah info at striving for eternity org, there you go,

01:09:11

I take all the complaints Maybe we should maybe I should compile all the complaints and we could the complaints

01:09:17

I got for those who watch the video I did yesterday the 30 -minute video just trying to be encouragement and saying that we as Christians we follow

01:09:24

Romans 13 Wow, there are some Christians that would rather throw out

01:09:29

Romans 13 and and let's have revolution Oh, yeah, I've talked to several brothers about it

01:09:35

Just trying to work with them through that. Yeah concept. I dropped it. If you want to listen to it I dropped it on my it's a bonus episode on the rap report podcast

01:09:43

So just subscribe to rap report and you can go listen to it They're just 30 minutes, but boy some people were really upset with me for that.

01:09:51

So so let's Justin Lee, you know, I asked that question. I wanted to you know, how do they explain this away?

01:09:59

How do they? Get around the fact that I Mean, they're blatantly wrong.

01:10:06

Yeah, they're blatantly wrong. Some of them some of them amazingly enough are well, let me say this

01:10:13

Chris Valentine Apologized, but that apology that we just watched he actually took it down because he put it up on November 7th

01:10:21

Just what three four days after the election, but then Around after it had been up a couple days.

01:10:28

Then there were some people saying hey, you know, there's some court cases There's a lot of fraud that we're seeing here. And and so Chris Valentine thought oh

01:10:36

Maybe maybe this will be overturned. So he took his apology down and so He's wrong yet again in taking removing his apologies.

01:10:46

He's now he's It's just some but if these people like Chris Valentine and Jeremiah Johnson is another one

01:10:54

Technical apology. That's right. Yes if if Jeremiah Johnson is another one that Supposedly apologized and according to dr.

01:11:02

Michael Brown Repented of his false prophecy. No. No, he didn't repent.

01:11:08

Let me tell you what repentance would look like Repentance would look like these people coming out and publicly acknowledging

01:11:16

I'm a liar. I have been deceiving you. I don't hear God speak to me

01:11:22

God is not speaking to me. I am NOT a prophet. I have brought reproach upon the gospel

01:11:28

I have put words in God's mouth He did not say it is only by a good grace and mercy of God that I'm still drawing breath

01:11:37

And my heart is still can beating at this moment. I have brought such reproach on the name of Christ I realize that I am no longer qualified Not that they ever work, but I am

01:11:47

NOT qualified to be in ministry. I'm gonna shut my ministry down That's what repentance would look like You know,

01:11:54

I really wish you would stop beating around the bush and I mean just say what you mean, you know

01:12:02

Than I normally am because this is I mean you can't there there's no way to put into words

01:12:11

The amount of Disrepute and reproach in shame that these people have brought on the gospel up through all it's the world is mocking

01:12:22

Not just them but by extension us and it's not just that us personally they are mocking

01:12:30

Christian Christianity they are mocking it. For many they know of Christianity.

01:12:36

Exactly. This is what they know of it and Yes And see the thing is that these are the people that always talk about blasphemy in the

01:12:44

Holy Spirit and that is exactly what they are doing and it's They Are as blind to what they're doing as the

01:12:54

Democrats are to what they're doing I'm just saying but let's before we go on to the the other clips

01:13:01

Let's answer this question from lethal because he gave us super chat So we always got to make sure we answer those. I saw the

01:13:07

Bible up for verse for you Okay, you put it up. Yeah There he goes.

01:13:14

All right, so Math Matthew 19 27 to 28 just one and you read that Which one me, okay, then

01:13:24

Peter said to him Behold we have left everything and followed you what then

01:13:32

Will there be for us and Jesus said to them truly? I say to you that you who have followed me in the generations when the

01:13:41

Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne you also shall sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel Okay, so lethals question is in Matthew 1928 who are the twelve thrones for the twelve disciples?

01:13:59

Does this include Judas or Matthew Matthias for Max or is Or is you more ambiguous?

01:14:06

So I know my answer, but I will let I will I'm curious of Justin. So I'm gonna let him go first So Justin Peters that guy

01:14:15

I gotta remember I gotta give the last name so just competing so I I think you and I agree on the on the twelve and who they are, but I Will go for this and we'll see

01:14:28

Do you okay. So I I don't believe that Matthias was a real apostle

01:14:35

Bingo All right, you have four fun thumbs up Okay, that's a pleasantly surprised cuz

01:14:44

I know you and I talked about this and we're in agreement yeah, most people don't agree with me on that, but When you when you read when you read that account there in in Acts and they're basically this they're

01:15:01

They have Pentecost, you know that has become they're trying to figure out where they're looking around well Judas is gone and we need somebody to replace

01:15:09

Judas and so what they could not have known at the time was that of all people

01:15:16

Saul of Tarsus would be Judas replacement. I mean he would be the last person on their

01:15:25

Candidate list for Judas replacement, right? I mean he would be the last person and so they could not have possibly known what

01:15:32

God would do for Saul of Tarsus and So they were looking around like we got to find somebody replace

01:15:37

Judas and well Let's let's cast lots and it fell to Matthias.

01:15:43

And so they they chose him and he but a careful reading of that they

01:15:49

They just kind of took it upon themselves to do it. They didn't have a divine instruction from God Okay, choose, you know cast lots to choose

01:15:59

Judas's replacement. They just kind of and understandably so right? I mean, they thought well, we gotta have somebody replace

01:16:06

Judas and so that that's how they did it But I think they jumped the gun. I think they were a little Yeah, a little too eager and understandably.

01:16:14

So again, it can't be too hard on because they had no way of knowing Saul of Tarsus would one day replace

01:16:19

Judas. One thing we have to recognize for people When because some people are really gonna be upset with what we all three just agreed to The thing we have to recognize is that what type of literature is acts this is a historical narrative

01:16:34

How do we interpret historical narratives? Well, one of the things we know with historical narratives is that they record what did happen not what should happen and so just because something is

01:16:45

Detailed in a historical narrative does not mean that God condemns it nor commends it

01:16:50

Unless scripture says one of those two we just don't know So what scriptures recording is that here you they're choosing lots

01:16:57

Guess what happens if you choose lots? Well, you have three guys to choose from you have two long sticks one short stick

01:17:04

Someone is going to get chosen Now if they chose lots and had 50 long sticks and one short stick and no one was selected then they could say, okay

01:17:13

We chose lots. No one was selected We don't have a replacement But they chose the lots and the lots worth for the same number of people that they have that they're selecting from So someone was going to be selected

01:17:24

What is accurate is that someone was selected Matthias, but that there's nowhere in scripture where it says that he was the the replacement where we do see this with Paul that he was a

01:17:36

Apostle at a later time and so I would agree that he would be the 12th one

01:17:41

Let's let's get to another question here. Justin another super chat from John aka Atomic apologetics $5.

01:17:48

So thank you for that question for Justin Will he be in the third installment of American Gospel now,

01:17:55

I can actually answer this one Justin You know why I can answer this one. I can answer this one because I Watched the interview.

01:18:03

So And I got pictures of you being interviewed So the answer to that is yes

01:18:13

He will be in it unless unless of course our friend Brandon Kimber decides to just cut you out completely

01:18:19

Maybe there was nothing good. You said and he just cuts you out, but I doubt that's likely Very possible

01:18:27

No, all right, so let's let's move on to this this next clip that you have and this was

01:18:34

You know, this was the the panel the coverage of the Spirit of Faith with their flashpoint

01:18:41

I Don't know if there's anything you want to say before we play it play this or you want to wait till after I set it up.

01:18:47

What's the description again? So It is it's This is

01:18:53

Kenneth Copeland's kind of like the news arm of Kenneth Copeland's ministry They call this program flashpoint the guy in the top left is

01:19:01

His name escapes me right now, but he works for Kenneth Copeland's ministry. And so This is this is from just a few days ago.

01:19:09

Okay, this was I think January the 8th if I remember right, so this was not only after the election

01:19:17

This was after the electors were certified on January 6 for Joe Biden So we this was just a few days ago

01:19:28

So from top left you get that guy and it's name escapes me right now But anyway, the next guy on the top in the middle, that's

01:19:35

Lance wall now He is a new absolutely from the next guy's Hank Kuhneman. He's a prophet

01:19:42

Bottom left Cat Kerr and yes, her hair is every bit as pink as you think it is

01:19:49

As pink hair not because of personal preference, although I'm sure that's what it is But she claims that God told her to wear pink hair

01:19:57

So she she has pink hair every day of the year because that is in obedience to divine Instruction from above she claims that when she was four years old

01:20:05

Jesus literally walked Inside of her Jesus appeared in her room and walked into inside of her

01:20:16

She is as loony as she looks She's a weather warrior.

01:20:21

She claims to Rebuke hurricanes. There's video of her on On the beach in Florida with a hurricane coming in and she's got her magic

01:20:32

Gandalf stick out there Talking to the hurricane coming yet to go out in the ocean, of course

01:20:38

It barreled only in any way oblivious and I'm not apparently caring too much about her magic

01:20:43

Gandalf stick So but anyway So that's what and then the other guy in the middle.

01:20:50

That's Mario Marullo. And then the guy on the bottom right is Dutch sheets all of all of these people claim to be prophets and They are still to this day

01:21:01

Claiming that Trump will be in the White House. So with that you can Proceed sir right now.

01:21:07

This is gonna be a little bit of a longer one folks It's about a minute and a half cat Kurt So glad cat that you're here

01:21:14

And I want to introduce you to our audience and cat one of the things I must say after talking with you

01:21:21

Several I guess it's been a month or so ago now is that cat is totally

01:21:27

Convinced of what God is going to do. Do you still believe that cat

01:21:33

Kerr? Do you still believe that God is alive? As my answer to that question

01:21:40

As a matter of fact, I'd like to know how many out there actually think he does exist Yeah, having known him for almost 70 years when

01:21:48

I received Christ at age 4 I'm seer so I saw him step inside of me and my relationship only grew with him over all these years

01:21:56

And he's shown me a many times thing that would happen and they came to pass now

01:22:02

I can tell you some people can't be chosen by God because they can't believe for anything past a week or two weeks

01:22:08

Which makes me laugh in a way because there's some things I waited 40 years for him to do But guess what?

01:22:13

He did them and he assured me back in 2015 that Trump would sit in the White House for eight

01:22:19

Years and I actually got to pray for them during the inaugural prayer breakfast back in 2016 and he made me prophesy that and God has assured me today when he walked into my room and woke me up at noon

01:22:33

Almost noon 1155 a .m. I'm up for like 20 hours a day and sometimes

01:22:39

I go to sleep Sometimes I don't but I always have my alarm set for noon and it didn't go off God did

01:22:46

And he came in and he yelled as long as he possibly good justice will prevail

01:22:54

Yeah, I'm trying to figure I'm trying to read what her thing says there.

01:23:00

I I don't do I Don't know demons. Oh, I don't do demons

01:23:05

Yeah, that's what her pin or button or whatever says don't let her eyeball say something completely different.

01:23:11

Yeah Yeah, like she does do demons. Yeah. Yeah. Oh I'll tell you what this this woman is.

01:23:19

Okay. Okay. Well first off I think I think Chris has a great comment here She looks like a character from Harry Potter I think someone else said that you can't take someone serious with pink hair yeah,

01:23:31

I mean, you know, you kind of think of Jan Crouch who is dead now, but she had famously pink hair, but Cat Kerr as well okay, think about what this woman just said she said just the other day

01:23:43

God walked into her room and I can't remember that we heard it on this clip or it's an excellent anyway

01:23:51

He sees she says that God shouted as loudly as he could Yes, she mentioned that on this one that that got that Trump is going to have a second term.

01:24:00

So God all into her bedroom Shout is loud.

01:24:05

Listen if that had really happened. She'd be dead Yeah, you know,

01:24:11

I remember I remember in the 80s There was a book about a guy who was shaving in the mirror and he said that that Jesus appeared in the mirror and He had a conversation with Jesus and I've always said for years.

01:24:23

The reason I don't believe the guy is because he kept shaving If you see

01:24:29

Jesus you do not keep shaving you do as Isaiah did you fall on your knees bowed face in the dirt and Recognize your sin.

01:24:38

That's that's the appropriate behavior Isaiah 6. Yes. So now you had a you had

01:24:43

I'm clicking the wrong one You put up this question for Justin and just Justin Pierce. You're getting all these questions and Justin Peters is answering them

01:24:50

I don't know why question forget stop that Did did cat Kerr claim in in the past that heaven is almost identical to an amusement park?

01:25:01

Yes, she has in fact, basically her whole ministry air quotes again

01:25:08

Her ministry is based off of her shuttling back and forth to heaven She goes to heaven like we would go to the to the gas station.

01:25:18

I mean she goes to heaven all the time I don't even remember how many hundreds or thousands of times. She's been to heaven.

01:25:24

I mean, it's just no big deal She it's it's an unusual day when she does not go to heaven apparently But yeah, heaven is a is like a big amusement park

01:25:33

She says there are dinosaurs in there there's t -rexes and they're so tame that you can ride them

01:25:38

So, you know like a petting zoo, I guess or something like that for the kiddos up in heaven you can ride around on dinosaurs and There's stores jewelry stores people on earth here who are

01:25:54

Garbage men or custodians, you know, they they have that's their profession Because that some people kind of look down on that profession to happen you see they're the own and operate jewelry store in that Wow It is is a fury in the jewelry stores

01:26:11

It's so bizarre. And here's here's the thing with with all of these people with all of them

01:26:17

They are either flat out lying It's one possibility to They are

01:26:26

So Deceived that I mean they they they they don't even know what they're saying three.

01:26:32

They're up to their eyeballs in demonic deception And so they're either flat -out lying

01:26:39

Be they they they think they're hearing from God when they're obviously not but just kind of Misguided or three they're up to their eyeballs in demonic deception.

01:26:51

None of those three options is a good one Yeah, none of them is a good one. All right, so we got one more with Kat Kerr and And this is the last of the clips and then we have someone someone else that's in the in backstage

01:27:04

We'll get to here. So I don't know if you have anything you want to do. This is the one where she makes demands

01:27:13

So you Yeah Yeah I Gotta tell you that this one is just it's blasphemy.

01:27:22

But all right, here we go What happened because I have my own time whether it agrees with yours or not

01:27:30

Whether you like it or not. This is my country These are my plans and I will not have these days taken from me

01:27:40

And not turn to the left and give yourself as a partner To the evil that wants to take this land.

01:27:47

Well, I say no it will not happen It will end and it will be done because I say it will be done

01:27:55

Watch my hand move now that man is done with their process.

01:28:01

I will put my show on Did she think she's God yes, she's speaking for God in first person for God And She's an angry prophet.

01:28:15

Yes I mean, oh, I just noticed we do have one more. I'm sorry We have the eight -year prophecy.

01:28:24

Yeah, we have we have we have the eight years prophecy. It's an another cat kernel Okay. Yeah.

01:28:30

Yeah. Yeah, let's play that one, too ready So I want to ask cat the question that keeps being asked to me.

01:28:39

They say well cat If you prophesied a years is it that it's for now and for later

01:28:47

No, no, it is not is for continual years and get ready for some more impossible things to be said

01:28:55

God did choose pants for eight years after Trump's eight years and he has not changed his mind about that either

01:29:06

So, there you go, yeah, so no wiggle room here Trump is gonna have another four consecutive years and Mike Pence is going to be a president for eight years after him so,

01:29:18

I mean this is There's no wiggle room and she's she's a not that she hasn't already but proof.

01:29:25

She's gonna prove herself to be a false I'll tell you you

01:29:31

Honestly, there is more Prophetic power in a magic 8 -ball or in a

01:29:37

Zoltar machine or Rafiki the baboon from Rafiki Rafiki from the

01:29:45

Lion King could run prophetic circles around all of these people. Hey, man

01:29:54

Chris and drew in the backstage. I always want to bring them in because their reaction just to see you

01:30:00

Oh, that was so great You know, let me do that.

01:30:05

Just let me bring in the both partners here from oh boy Matter of theology,

01:30:13

I'm sure I turned red because of what she said I was laughing so hard man

01:30:19

Rafiki from the Lion King brother and I would rather listen to Rafiki than to listen to somebody yell at me like that and Oh You know after after listen to that video

01:30:32

I'm actually kind of excited because she said there are or listening to Justin talk about Jewelry stores in heaven.

01:30:39

So there's like a heavenly currency that we're gonna have Yeah, it's interesting when you watch that whole clip at one point she says

01:30:49

That you you'll go you can go to these jewelry stores and you can buy jewelry and then literally not two minutes later as every

01:30:57

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you just told me I would have to go buy it now. It's for I don't know.

01:31:04

Maybe there's a sudden onslaught of socialism Well, and can

01:31:09

I just say, you know, somebody asked the question earlier and Justin you you know, you you answered it Justin Peters Sorry, there are multiple

01:31:15

Justin's here. You answer the question about you're the only Chris. That's true

01:31:20

I stand alone. You get confused with the other Chris H the Chris Han holds and yes. Yes You know, but but look at you know going back to Bethel going back to Vallotton going back to Bill Johnson and You know guys as believers in the

01:31:36

Lord Jesus Christ There's so like we watch this and and and I'm watching this clip and my eyes are probably four times their normal size but there's so many people out there who are who have been to use the language of Paul and Colossians taken captive by this nonsense and And the vehicle a lot of the times that's used for that is music it's it's

01:32:00

Bethel it's Jesus culture. It's Hill song. It's certain passion songs I'm gonna start naming a little bit of names like like it's people that associate with them.

01:32:10

It's Chris Tomlin It's it's people like that that listen to maybe semi solid people

01:32:17

Writing semi solid ish worship songs that get sucked into this and then they believe this nonsense

01:32:24

When scriptures replete with these with these warnings like in in second Peter that's saying that these people are daring and self -will

01:32:31

They do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, right and that should terrify people to think that the

01:32:41

God of the universe you're you're profaning the name of The one who breathes stars into existence.

01:32:48

Amen, and if that doesn't terrify you Then maybe maybe you should sincerely check your heart as to whether or not you are in Christ.

01:32:57

Yeah, that's right. Yep Yeah, that's exactly right Chris. Hmm, you know Chris Han hold from voice of reason radio says this this might be interesting to discuss but because I think you can't point this out

01:33:09

Justin Peters Chris Honnold says if there's one beautiful thing that came out of last year

01:33:15

Every single prosperity hucks your face planted. Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

01:33:21

One thing Chris and I Chris Huff and I I've been talking about just a lot over 2020 is the fact that we see all of these people that claim to speak for God God is demonstrating that they do not speak for him.

01:33:36

Absolutely. God is actually purifying his church by Exposing these charlatans.

01:33:41

Amen. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you guys want to go prophesy this and God told me this and God told me that And and and the

01:33:48

Lord says by his own actions and his own sovereign will no. No, I didn't

01:33:54

It's really simple. It comes at it. I said earlier but comes down to one of two things Either God is lying to them or they're lying to their followers

01:34:04

There's no choice because they're saying God spoke to them so either God did speak to them and lied to them now you have the

01:34:11

God of Islam a Deceiving God a God who deceives his own followers who will put a lookalike

01:34:17

Jesus on the cross to fool his followers Right. Well, so you never have a

01:34:23

God of Islam or These teachers are lying And and so I would say this to anyone who is trapped in this anyone who's following these teachers and you think we're wrong

01:34:34

You think that there's something wrong with us for calling these people out? We're unloving No, actually, we are loving you.

01:34:41

We love you enough to tell you the truth We love you enough to say that these charlatans that you follow that you give your money to that you put your faith in and believe in They are lying to you because God is not speaking to them and the proof is that God is never

01:34:57

Wrong, and these prophecies are wrong Period so they cannot absolutely impossible cannot be from God.

01:35:06

There's no way well So often right you have you have people that that go to 2nd

01:35:12

Peter at the end of 2nd Peter 1 Where we're told that we have a prophetic word made more sure which is the

01:35:18

Word of God, which is the scriptures But check out verse 21 or verse 20 and 21 But know this first of all that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation

01:35:27

But listen to verse 21 For no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will

01:35:33

But by men moved by the Holy by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. So anybody anybody

01:35:40

Shouting out there prophecies that don't come true like Chris Valton. Well, it doesn't mean I'm a false prophet. Yes, it does

01:35:46

God does not lie mission Absolutely, God does not lie and and to Justin Peters point if you truly

01:35:54

What were we're sorry and there was there was biblical remorse not that you're not trying to trying to cover yourself here

01:36:02

There would be I would shut down my ministry because I was wrong and I've deceived What and and been deceived?

01:36:08

yeah, now what we've seen in prophecy in modern prophecy and I put this in the the the comments and on YouTube is that The standards have changed with modern prophets so a lot like like viewing tongues

01:36:22

So if you go Look back in history night the turn of the century 1900 1901

01:36:29

Charles Fox Parham He believed that tongues was actually a real language until they did what they called tongues and it failed

01:36:38

Well, then he had to redefine it So now we see all these false prophets given all these prophecies and now they're trying to redefine

01:36:46

Well, I missed it here or you know, someone has an ear problem and it's the right ear and they're like, oh well

01:36:52

I got an ear problem, but it's my left. Oh, well, it's because you're facing me and it's over here You also have a tingle in your leg, too, you know

01:37:02

Standards have changed Yeah, you know the tingle in your leg, you know, Chris on hold should just get in here so that we can have yeah come on Andrew squared and Chris squared, but Not to know it's not my show but I'm gonna bring you in a passage of scripture here real quick Okay, let me just read it.

01:37:20

Let me read what Chris said real quick since we have it up It says anyone who is unwilling to tell you the truth that these prosperity

01:37:28

Huxpurs are leading you to hell hates you They do not love you

01:37:35

Love only themselves. Amen brother. So what scripture do you got for us? Chris a spot on I thought you're gonna actually bring him in like in video here.

01:37:44

But yeah, Chris, thank you for that actually join us Yeah Great.

01:37:50

Yeah, great. Great. Great guy. All right, Dustin Peters is asking for you. What he said. He's he can't are you

01:37:56

Tris? Yeah, he's at work Doing paperwork. He said All right

01:38:05

Well, what's your Justin do you have for us Ezekiel 13

01:38:12

This detail 13 a lot of everything that we've been talking about Ezekiel 13. I'm gonna read Some excerpts here so beginning beginning verse 1

01:38:22

Ezekiel 13 Bring it up on screen for folks so that They can see that as you read, okay, it'll be a little bit small but I will make it larger

01:38:36

NAS Can you do NAS because that's what I got in front of me. I got for you. I know what you use

01:38:41

I got you covered There you go All right Look at verse 1 then the

01:38:48

Word of the Lord that's Yahweh But the Word of the Yahweh came to me saying son of man Prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy and say to those who prophesy from their own inspiration

01:39:00

Listen to the word of Yahweh Thus says Yahweh God Woe to the foolish prophets who are following their own spirit and have seen nothing

01:39:13

That's what we're talking about. They've seen nothing verse look at verse 6 They see falsehood and lying divination

01:39:19

Who were saying the Lord declares when the Lord has not sent them yet. They hope for the fulfillment of their word

01:39:26

That's exactly what we've been talking about They're prophesying falsehood lying divination saying the

01:39:32

Lord declares Lord hasn't sent them and they're hoping for the fulfillment of their own word

01:39:37

That's what they're hoping for in there and they ain't getting it Verse 9 so my hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations

01:39:48

They will have no place in the council of my people Nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel nor will they enter the land of Israel that you may know

01:39:58

That I am Yahweh God match

01:40:05

Terrify them. Yeah Should amen, but it won't it won't

01:40:11

Mm -hmm No, the reason and the reason that it won't is because they they don't care about the glory of God They don't care about the honor of his word that they don't that they're all in it for sordid gain

01:40:22

You know, I think about something that dr John MacArthur says is if the Lord were going to going to give this power this

01:40:29

Ability to be able to prophesy future events to anyone. Why would he give it to the people with the worst?

01:40:35

Theology number one, but then number two, they don't strive for any sort of holy living at all

01:40:41

Yeah, yeah, you know You can look at all these false prophets, right and we can go back and look we can look at men like Bob Jones Right who from the

01:40:53

Kansas City prophets claim to be this this great prophet He was touted as this great prophet that that used all of his gifts for to make sexual advances on I mean that's common throughout these charlatans.

01:41:08

Yes. Yeah Well, you know, I was thinking in the same in the same vein you're talking about Michael Brown I mean he was the one that gave validity to the to the prophecies that were going on and for the spiritual miracles that were going on and And I mean,

01:41:23

I know everybody tries to walk really slow around Michael Brown because he has he has big -name celebrities and big name, you know pastors that are saying

01:41:32

Oh, but he's got to be a great solid man. He never actually condemns anyone in the world faith or in AR He never condemns them and he gives them a platform and that's why

01:41:43

I posted John 10 12 because Jesus gave this warning and rebuke he says

01:41:49

I am the Good Shepherd and Then he compares himself to all the other ones who claim to be

01:41:54

Good Shepherds and yet they're they're in it for the money He says he he who is a hired hand and not a shepherd.

01:42:02

In other words. He's a false teacher. He's a wolf Yep, he's the person who cares about the money and if you look at all these people

01:42:10

They give validity to these false teachers because they care about the money more than they do about the people

01:42:15

That's right and for Michael Brown is he he is a very smart man and the work that he does with homosexuality and his writings and and dealing with Judaism and all stuff brilliant work, but when he fails to condemn the false prophecies and heretics

01:42:34

He's not doing anyone any favors No, anyone that any anyone that doesn't do that is giving validity to them

01:42:41

And they're just as guilty as the wolves that open the door Well, not only Michael Brown, but you think you have the passion the passion

01:42:48

Conferences that are going on. Yeah Preached against them. I've talked against them and warned people for years

01:42:54

In fact, it was one of the reasons that you know the ministry that I have Suffered a setback because one of our sponsoring churches said you can't ever say a bad word about John Piper now, you know

01:43:06

Okay, maybe I'm touching somebody's Holy Grail here but when you have a man of that stature who is bringing in 50 to 60 ,000

01:43:12

Baptists and Saying you guys need to come in here and listen to Chris Boloton and listen to all these false teachers and oh

01:43:18

They got a platform, but maybe I don't support them completely Well, I'm sorry, but that that's bringing in bringing in false teachers and saying here go have

01:43:28

Wolves and go have lunch. Sure. It's okay to associate with them, right? I think Melissa says it well here, you know

01:43:34

She says I am mad when people repeat what I say and they are just 5 % wrong

01:43:41

Imagine what God thinks when someone says anything he said and it turns out to be false.

01:43:47

I will stick with Scripture I think she just nailed it. Yeah, right And oh,

01:43:55

I'm drawing a blank of all people a blank name of the IHOP guy Mike Bickle Mike Bickle, thank you.

01:44:03

Mike Bickle has even admitted. This is on video. He has actually admitted that His prophecies and prophecies in general are up to 80 % wrong, right?

01:44:15

Yeah Again, what good are they? Yeah. Yeah, you know

01:44:21

Jake 8 -ball. It'll do a better job Yeah There was somebody said that there was this link between the music and and what's going on and you think if you draw people in With music that's on every single quote -unquote

01:44:38

Christian radio station And it's everywhere and everybody wants to hear it the Jesus culture and all these guys

01:44:44

I don't know if you guys have ever researched Jesus culture, you know for the audience I know you guys probably have but for the audience

01:44:50

I just want to warn you that you can go on YouTube or you used to be able to and they actually Talked about how they came to Christ at Bill Johnson's Church and Chris Volaton was one

01:45:01

You know He was one of their lead pastors and their whole entire movement Was was based around not around the

01:45:08

Word of God or repentance and faith in Christ not around, you know a call for sin but being soaked in Chanting mantras.

01:45:17

Yeah, that's right. And that's right. There's nothing biblical about this and they do it at their concert still

01:45:23

Jim Walker Smith will get up there and she will Prophesize she will speak in gibberish

01:45:30

Don't do all that. Yeah, you know John John says this from atomic

01:45:36

Apologetics I get better insight from a Chinese fortune cookie In the comments if you're not in at least on YouTube you're missing out like our

01:45:48

Black you were a friend here who says you have no salvation Yeah, because of your skin

01:45:55

It's like last week when we tried to talk to him and asked him what I asked him Can you please if I'm lost give me the gospel?

01:46:01

Yeah, because and by the way, I can't be saved because cuz you're I'm white of Esau.

01:46:08

Yeah well, Justin weird weird didn't it didn't Esau get Wiped out.

01:46:14

Yeah Just the other just is it Pierce? Yes. Okay.

01:46:19

So something you just said Just just brought something to mind about Corey Asprey the writer of reckless love, you know going back to well

01:46:26

We got saved under Bill Johnson. We got saved in Bill Johnson's church, you know, I mean Corey Asprey He said and I quote, you know that God doesn't care about what he gets in return that he just sits up in heaven

01:46:36

Hoping that one of us chooses him in return So if that's the gospel presentation they got then that is not the gospel

01:46:46

And in any way shape or form and and again, you know I Andrew and I were having a conversation offline last a couple weeks ago about you know, giving one stamp of approval

01:46:58

But by not actively speaking out against false prophets and false teachings

01:47:05

Like this is a biblical command that we are given not just for pastors but as believers to expose this stuff and not to Give our stamp of approval by you know, but well, we're not gonna say anything about it

01:47:21

But we're still gonna we're still gonna platform these songs and we're still gonna platform these teachers You know, they may get 80 % of their prophecies wrong, but they're okay.

01:47:30

Well, that's what you know if you listen to Go back to 2013 and listen to the presentation

01:47:35

Nate Boosnitz did on prophecy he was quoting someone and that said even the most mature of prophets are only about 80 % accurate and I'm like That's not what scripture says.

01:47:51

Yeah. Yeah So, I mean the thing we end up seeing with this though is as we look at this

01:47:58

Unfortunately and And you know, I was thinking Justin next year. We should have you back in January So we could look at all the prophecies they made in for 2021

01:48:08

That they get wrong and the prophecy debate for 2022. I mean this has been going on every year

01:48:14

I mean, this is not something new. It's like every year make all these prophecies every year

01:48:19

They they have a string of things that their say is gonna happen the next year and and they get it wrong

01:48:25

I mean, I remember back in 2019 when you were telling me that you were expecting a lot of this because just that it's 2020 everyone's gonna have a 2020 vision and you even put something out like a tweet out saying, you know, get ready for everyone's 2020 vision and the just an expectation that there were gonna be a lot more of these prophecies and Even with that even with that when it was starting up The we end up seeing

01:48:54

God says no, we're gonna shut you all down because I mean I just think it is just irony that You have all of these

01:49:04

Churches that say they speak from God that they do healing ministry and they're closed due to a virus

01:49:11

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah kovat shut down the Bethel healings healing rooms

01:49:17

Yeah Because of the healing rooms, you know, and here's a here's a question

01:49:26

I have where are the charismatic expositors?

01:49:32

I'll come on Where are the charismatic expositors and I'm not talking about Wayne Grudem Because that that those kind of guy.

01:49:42

Yeah, he's a continuous Charismatic, but he is that's the French The broad swath of charismaticism, where are the charismatic expositors?

01:49:54

There are none right there are rumors about them like in your rumors of Bigfoot But all you have are these grainy pictures and you know, and you know

01:50:03

And there there's no actual proof that they that they exist, right? There's no scholarly works coming from the cares.

01:50:10

No, none none Even Michael Brown, honestly, and if there's if there is a an academic amongst the charismatic movement

01:50:20

It is without a doubt right Michael Brown and I've I would agree with all of you that have said that you know

01:50:26

And some things he's he's done Very good work. I've heard him debate penal substitutionary atonement.

01:50:32

I couldn't better But even when I've watched him preach He doesn't do exposition, right?

01:50:40

No, even he doesn't do exposition Charismatic preachers don't do exposition because you can't

01:50:47

You can't exposit what you don't know and then they just get up and they tell stories

01:50:54

That's what charismatic preachers do they tell stories story after story and they'll reference a

01:50:59

Bible verse here and there but they don't Exposit it they don't Someone just asked what is expositions?

01:51:05

That's when you take the text of Scripture and you Expose the meaning of the text you you describe you you give the plain meaning of the text and the text of Scripture Determines the content of your sermon everything about your sermon

01:51:22

So yeah, that's exposition. So to the well, you make a great point about The they tell story after story, right

01:51:30

So so their whole preaching all every their whole ministry everything they do is centered upon experience.

01:51:36

The problem is Experienced is not authoritative scripture is authoritative.

01:51:41

Come on, man. Yeah, man, and I and I don't doubt To your point drew. I don't doubt that a lot of charismatics are having experiences.

01:51:49

I don't doubt that at all I'm sure you've had an experience Mohammed had an experience

01:51:56

Koresh had an experience. Yeah, so I don't doubt that they're having experiences that my question is is where what's the source of these experiences?

01:52:02

Right and they're not of God in the entire charismatic movement

01:52:08

That the whole thing is is based upon stories and Experiences and feelings and emotions and still small voices that are taken out of the context of first Kings 19

01:52:20

But that's another story all of this all about the subjective stuff It's not about Scripture in anything that diverts your attention away from Scripture Is not the work of the author of Scripture.

01:52:36

That's enemy, yeah, yeah and Going back to Chris Vallotton because Chris Vallotton has made this point

01:52:44

From the stage where he has said God is bigger than his book So that's that's kind of their justification to say well, we can go beyond Scripture.

01:52:52

No, you can't God Yes, he wrote a book and he may be bigger than his book, but you are not beyond his book

01:52:58

Therefore until you can exhaust everything from Genesis 1 1 to Revelation 22 21

01:53:05

You have no no business going beyond. Well, I mean here look God gives us a way of testing the spirits, right?

01:53:11

He says this first time and that is the Scripture The only thing we have to test to have as an absolute authority for faith and practice is the

01:53:19

Word of God the Scriptures Now the only way we could test the spirits is by the Word of God They want to claim that they're going beyond the

01:53:26

Word of God that they're doing miracles Well miracles were for a purpose. We see miracles three times in history where they were somewhat normative

01:53:35

There's something unique with each of those three times. You see it with Moses. What happened with that the writing of Scripture?

01:53:41

There was a period of silence after Joshua had some time where you don't see a lot of writing what ends up happening New Scripture being written and you see

01:53:49

Elijah come on the scene You see miracles then a period of 400 years of silence and what happens

01:53:54

Christ comes on a scene new writing of Scripture and then Again, we what do we have now? We have more miracles.

01:54:00

So these miracles are tied to three periods of history with new Scripture being written So miracles are there to affirm and vindicate the messenger when the

01:54:09

Word of God has not spoken on such These guys speak and say they have prophecies their miracles fall short, which means they're not giving

01:54:17

Scripture They're not giving God's Word and you should not listen to them. Come on. I want to Justin Peters I want to give you a chance to close that we're gonna

01:54:25

I know we're gonna end up closing out anything that you want to share anything that you got going on that you want to give a plug to other than the

01:54:33

Israel trip Which you can feel free to plug Yeah, we got a Israel trip trip to Israel planned

01:54:40

October 24th through November 5th Lord willing of this year and I've been once before and I can't wait to get back.

01:54:48

I mean it is it will truly I don't want to be hyperbolic and say it'll change your life

01:54:53

But it is it is a promise you a trip that you will not forget to to see these places in person it just brings a level of reality depth understanding

01:55:03

I mean, it's just it really is a Fantastic trip if you're able to go

01:55:10

And so to go the site for that is up on the screen right there is

01:55:16

Israel trip Sorry, Israel tour 2021 Israel tour 2021 and Calm you go there and you'll have be able to sign up for there with that folks just so you know, that is

01:55:33

There is a non -refundable part of that That trip unless of course with kovat if coat if they cancel it for kovat you get the whole thing back

01:55:41

So just know that there is a portion of that that you have and you're not actually locked in Until you you put the down payment, but I will say this with that Hurry up Justin I were talking we made a change to accommodate some more people

01:55:57

We have not only Anthony Sylvester and myself from striving fraternity We have Justin Peters, but then we have pastor

01:56:04

David Cunningham joining us as well Someone that Justin I know Justin obviously knows him better I've only met him a couple times but enjoy the fellowship with him looking forward to that And so it we to do that.

01:56:15

We're we got a larger bus Justin's gonna have to do a little bit more walking. It's not a handicapped one anymore.

01:56:20

So So but we we're doing that Get some more people in so we only have

01:56:27

I think from last I heard about eight slots left But then again Justin Pierce signed up today. So it's probably more six slots left

01:56:34

So and it drew and Chris, I haven't seen your name on the list. What you know, what is wrong with you brothers?

01:56:42

Yeah, that's because I have to work or I don't get paid. Yeah I would love to go but your boy gotta work.

01:56:51

Yeah for me for me. It's it's like I've always wanted to go to Israel Okay, and I've always had this this this heart for just wanting to go and see you know

01:57:02

Everything I've read about it from the scripture, you know, you can sit in pictures Yeah, but I want to say this I've always wanted to go but what compelled me to go was these two guys right here

01:57:12

Yes, you know, I love Andrew. I love Justin, you know, and and these guys

01:57:18

It's just to be able to be in the same fellowship and just warm warm brotherly fellowship and and to be able to go over with with my dear brothers and and to be able to go with my

01:57:29

It's a once -in -a -lifetime event and I agree with Andrew I don't think we'll ever get to do it again and I don't want to miss it

01:57:36

Yeah. Yeah, and let me let me give him another plug Justin before you you if you have anything else You're gonna plug but let me give a plug for a matter of theology real quick You got a hurry on this one folks, but yeah,

01:57:49

I put up a link there podcasts dot striving for eternity Dot org slash

01:57:55

John Owen Yep, and and you you're you want to do this one quickly for a very simple reason as you can see on the screen here

01:58:05

This this you have nine ways to enter but you have one day left. You're watching this live get out there now and Make sure that you're you're signed up for that because you only have one day there.

01:58:20

They're picking winners this weekend So you're you're gonna want to make sure that you you get to get some good

01:58:26

John Owen books They're actually calling three winners. They got three winners. So you got a good chance of winning

01:58:34

Right as of right now, there's on holds has a really good chance of winning Yeah, he wins everything

01:58:43

You have to understand I entered Chris on holds name so that he is entered

01:58:50

He wins even though he has that book Look, it will be a computer drawing the name, but if he wins it will be hilarious

01:58:58

It'll be because he's Captain America in the computer, right? That's right. So Justin anything else that you have for us that you want to plug you got a new podcast

01:59:06

I know you've been dropping. Yeah, wait. No, you haven't been dropping episodes this week Yeah, I'm actually

01:59:12

Lord willing one that will drop tomorrow though I've had a Rough go of busy stretch here, but they will they will resume

01:59:22

Don't really have anything. I want to plug per se, but I want to part with the theological thought here

01:59:28

Related everything we've been talking about a lot of people have said to me because this has been such that you know

01:59:33

Terrible horrible no good very bad year to be a prophet. It's been so bad for them

01:59:38

Maybe this will be the end of it. This will be the end of the prosperity gospel word of faith movement It's gonna you know, it just there's no recovery from this.

01:59:46

I Wish that were this case, but it's not going it's a bump in the road but it's not even gonna be a big bump in the road for them, unfortunately because False prophets are in and of themselves part of God's judgment.

02:00:01

That's right I'll show you what God says in Jeremiah chapter 5 Jeremiah 5 30 through 31

02:00:07

God speaking He says an appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land the prophets prophesy

02:00:13

Falsely and the priests rule on their own authority and my people love it.

02:00:21

So But what will you do in the end of it? My people love it

02:00:27

So the fact of the matter is is that there are a lot of people who they as Paul said in 2nd

02:00:32

Timothy 4 They won't endure sound doctrine They will heap to themselves teachers who? Tickle their ears and they they won't endure the sound doctor.

02:00:41

They don't want that They want there are some people out there that want to be lied to They want they would rather be lied to Than to be taught the truth of God's Word.

02:00:53

And so well, you know, it's Christ who said when when the he the religious leaders were there and Challenging and he said you do not believe me for I tell you the truth

02:01:09

That's the very reason and that's the reason that's the reason people want They they'll listen to these false teachers because they don't want the truth.

02:01:17

Yeah, it's right It's it's why they'll they'll they'll be Democrats because they don't want the truth right,

02:01:22

I mean look the reality is that There are people who hate God so much that they're wishing that Falsehood is true so that they could believe something other than what's true

02:01:35

They believe in things like evolution scientifically impossible things But they believe it why because they don't want to be accountable to God because every one of us

02:01:47

Knows that we sin every single one of us knows we break God's law You know and because we do that we are in a state of being an enemy of God That is the starting point for all of us.

02:02:01

We're enemies of God But God never take lightly, but God Earth God himself became a man to die on a cross to be the payment of sin

02:02:13

Which is the reason that's so unique is because only God can do that Only God could pay an infinite fine because he is an infinite being but he becomes a man so he can pay the fine for human

02:02:26

Beings having never broken the law. He's now a set can be a sacrifice or sacrificial

02:02:33

Substitute for us and in what he does at the cross the full weight of justice is paid now

02:02:41

Mercy committed offered so it's only through Christ that we can have the forgiveness of sin It's only through Christ that we can have truth.

02:02:49

It's only in Christ that we can have eternal life. There is no other way And so if you don't know

02:02:57

Christ today If you don't have that assurance that you know, you will be with Christ for all of eternity

02:03:06

Then please repent today turn from in your thinking turn from your thinking

02:03:11

Your good works are gonna save you turn from thinking you're you're a good person turn from thinking your genealogy will save you none of those things will but God Turn to Christ and live repent turn from turn from yourself and your pride turn to Christ Trust what

02:03:28

Christ did on that cross as the only way you can have forgiveness of sin because it is the only way that's right and rest upon that and What you do is ask forgiveness for everything you do you we all break his law

02:03:41

Yeah, his forgiveness and as Justin said repentance doesn't mean we just say Lord forgive me and we move on No, we ask repentance and we recognize what

02:03:49

Christ's death meant. He died the death I should have died. He paid the sin that I should have paid.

02:03:58

He paid those wages and To think that I'm gonna go casually on and just sin more.

02:04:05

No We don't do that because we love Christ and what he did for us

02:04:10

And if you don't know Christ if you're following after one of these false teachers No, it doesn't mean that you follow these false teachers means you can't be saved.

02:04:18

There are people who are deceived But if you're deceived now May the the the eyes may your eyes be opened the

02:04:27

Holy Spirit will not leave you under false teaching come out from them and If you don't know

02:04:33

Christ, then please repent Please repent for those of us who are believers I hope that the the encouragement that you've heard from Justin that you learn that you now know more of how to handle these prophecies and these false teachers and you're equipped but better to answer them and to be able to Take someone who's who's deceived by them and help them understand the difference between a true prophecy and a false prophecy.

02:04:59

I Hope this has been helpful to you next week. I don't know what we have planned Justin, but we'll be back

02:05:05

Now I want to end with one last thing something I kind of wanted to start with and I decided to leave it to the end

02:05:14

Some of you here know we have a third third partner here. That's usually here. Dr.

02:05:19

Anthony Silvestro. Yes Some of you may not know that as of today. He's not here today because as of right now

02:05:26

He is at a funeral for his father He will be putting his father in in a in a in the ground tomorrow or an actually in a wall technically, so I want

02:05:38

I want to give it some encouragement though Dr. Silvestro and I have been praying for his father.

02:05:44

Many others have been praying for his father to get saved for years His father had what we think was double pneumonia

02:05:52

But what ended up happening was the hospital just saw the the the symptoms and immediately put him into a kovat unit

02:06:00

No test done Anthony was the one that took his father to the hospital and kind of felt like he was responsible because what happened is when you're

02:06:07

Sitting in a kovat unit for 10 days before they test you when they test you guess what you have kovat so He died.

02:06:16

They're gonna say of kovat But here's the thing We could look at this and And kovat has affected all of our lives.

02:06:25

I mean Justin was talking earlier about going to the gas station I don't know where he's going. I'm not leaving the house And we can look at these that our situation that we have all these things that could get people depressed and all

02:06:36

But let me tell you a little story Here's a man that we've been praying for for years.

02:06:41

That's right guy who kind of did it his own way He's a he was a very well -to -do man, and we understand about the rich man it's hard for rich man to get saved because they're self -sufficient and Here's a man who has done things on his own

02:06:55

Very successful and he could do it his own way. And when he's sitting in a hospital bed, he's texting

02:07:03

Anthony That he knows he needs to repent on Christ Fruit of repentance

02:07:12

Seeing him turning and saying to one of Anthony's other brothers. Hey, I need to talk to your mom

02:07:18

I need to pass forgiveness for things I've done in the past. There's fruit of repentance

02:07:23

So it's a strange feeling here. We're we're mourning the loss of Anthony's dad

02:07:29

But now Anthony's dad is in heaven with Christ. Yeah Yeah, you know so we could look at kovat and say it's a horrible thing

02:07:39

But you know what kovat did something that to be honest, I can't speak for Anthony But for me,

02:07:44

I thought wouldn't happen that his father would turn to know Christ Yes, I always think maybe there's still hope for my my family, but but the reality is

02:07:54

He's not here tonight because he's got a funeral for his father I'm gonna ask that you be praying because his father -in -law is is not doing well either but the thing is is that I mean

02:08:07

That may be very short in coming. So they may have two funerals week by week The thing is

02:08:13

I ask you lift up the Silvestro family be praying He is he is sharing the gospel Very aggressively with his brothers

02:08:21

It is a hard time for their whole family right now But he's rejoicing because he knows he's gonna see his father again in heaven.

02:08:28

That's right So so let's not just look at the negatives of 2020 But let's look at what good is coming out of it.

02:08:36

And that's kind of the parting thing I want to leave for us for today is pray for for dr.

02:08:41

Special and his family Pray that the gospel will go forth at the funeral tomorrow pray that some will get saved

02:08:48

Because that's something that we rejoice in. So until next week, that's the parting message I have for you