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Alright, let's jump right in.
I need my Bass Pro Shops hat on for this one.
So I actually, on Gab, I reposted.
Man, it's getting easier to use the right lingo.
I reposted a Gab.
I didn't retweet anything.
Who retweets anymore?
I reposted a Gab of Dirk, Dirk, not Dirk, Denny Burke.
He has a quotation here from John Frame, which I recognized, and here's what the quotation
says.
It says,.
And now I saw this from Tax Slave Dave here.
He said, I reposted this, and I said something to the effect of,
um, you know, like, okay, so I've got my choice.
I can either be like Luther or Calvin, or I can be like Denny Burke and Jared C. Wilson.
That's a tough call.
And that was very sarcastic.
Obviously, it's not a tough call at all.
And then I also reposted it again, and this time I said, Only Big Eva could be this self -serving.
Quote,.
And I was criticizing this because, uh, I like John Frame, by the way, and I actually, like I said, I recognize this
quotation because it actually came from an article that I was sent a long time ago.
Now, um, but having Denny Burke, you know, kind of put this forward, you
can instantly see what he's saying.
And, um, what he's saying is that, you know, all the people that were right about social justice, that were
right about tyranny, that were right about the COVID stuff and all that stuff.
Well, they're just such jerks.
If only they were nice like me, because I'm also right about all, they're trying to be, they're trying
to do a pivot here because what's happening right now in Big Eva is they're trying to put the genie that they let
out of the bottle back into the bottle.
And they still want to hold on to their authority as awful as it's been.
Their radars are broken.
They have no discernment, but they still desperately want to hold on to the idea that they do have
discernment.
So they're not going to apologize for the many, many errors that they've made.
And the many times that they could have said something, but didn't say something.
And the many times that they cozied up next to these foreign ideologies, they're not going to apologize for it.
They're going to instead start criticizing it in their way as if they've been there all along
and they did nothing wrong.
And so they're, they're trying to kind of maintain this certain kind of credibility that is long since
gone.
This will never work.
The internet never forgets and this will never work, but that's what they're trying to do.
And so what they're saying is, well, yeah, you know, there's some guys out there that they were right all along, but they're jerks.
And I, and if I was Luther, I would have been even better because I would have been using all that honey
and he just used the vinegar and I would have had a much bigger impact on you.
And of course it's all bogus.
It's all false, but that's what's happening here.
That's why Denny Burke quoted this thing from John Frame.
Now, as I said, I like John Frame.
I think John Frame is a very good theologian and all of that.
But I remember when somebody had sent me this, so, so actually before I get into that, there was a comment that
I wanted to respond to because it's actually a very good comment and I don't agree with it, but I think it's
definitely worth at least a response.
And it's worth respect considering this comes from Dirk on Gab.
Here's what he says.
He says, brother, let me humbly offer an alternative explanation.
John Frame wrote these words in 2012 in the context of a series of articles he was writing about
theonomy.
For the sake of further context, allow me to give a quote that is just prior to the one in question.
So this, he says, this gives his quote a little bit more context is what it says.
Quote, the sharp polemics of the theonomic movement and to be sure of its critics in return
have been, in my view, quite unnecessary and indeed counterproductive to its own
purposes.
And so what he's talking about is our guys like Gary North guys like Rush Dooney.
You know, we love those guys because they're straightforward.
They're easy to understand.
You know, they're not right about everything, but they write in a way that they obviously want to be understood.
But they also have something else that you may or may not like, depending on your personality.
I quite like this, but most people don't.
Well, maybe not most, but some people don't.
I should say they have a barbed pen and sometimes it can be hard to read through a Gary North
article.
I remember one time I sent my wife before she was my wife, a Gary North article.
That's that's how I wooed my wife.
I sent her Gary North articles.
But anyway, it was about student debt.
And at one point in the article, he said something about how women are in a tough spot
because they carry so much student debt that now if a husband wants to marry them, they have to also agree to take on this
debt.
And he was kind of and he said that in a way that only Gary North could.
And she took high offense to it.
It was one of the first things I wrote.
First times I realized that maybe you can't talk to, you know, your wife to be in the same way you would talk to your buddies
anyway.
So that's that's the frame of mind I was in 10 years ago anyway.
So he has a barbed pen and he's saying that was unnecessary.
You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
So let's go back to Dirk's comment.
He says this.
He says, whatever you may think of John Frame and in particular his views of theonomy or his views of
theological discourse, one thing he is not saying is that the reformers should have been squishy.
If you think that I would contend you have never read him.
Now, this is so interesting because I have read him.
In fact, I've read this exact article.
My my pastor, when he found out I was reading Gary North and, you know, R .J. Rush, Judy and stuff like that,
you know, he was a well -meaning guy, but he started was very worried that I was doing that.
And he took two strategies to get me to stop.
One of them was to set was to send me this article.
He sent me this article and he warned me against theonomy.
Then the second thing he did was he said, well, R .J. Rush, and he was against interethnic marriages,
interracial marriages.
And so, you know, you got to be careful because you're about to marry a white girl.
And that's the other strategy that he took with me to get me to stop looking into theonomy.
Neither one of them worked, of course.
But I have read John Frame and I've read more than John, more than this article of John Frame.
But I've definitely even read this article because I'll never forget that when that when it arrived in my inbox with my very
concerned pastor about the fact that I was reading Gary North.
All right.
He continues, he says, as to Denny Burke, while I agree that he has definitely been squishy at times, at least from
my very distant observations, I also know that it was Burke who just last week was the one publicly
taking Dumez to task for her, let's face it, rank heresy.
Burke's tweet was not given a particular in a particular context, but simply as a lone observation.
If you think he's squishy, fine.
But the quote isn't the proof.
So this is where I completely disagree with Dirk.
There is definitely a context to what Burke is saying.
He doesn't he didn't just have a random quote generator and this just happened to be today.
So he put it out there and because he thought it was a very helpful quote just in general life.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
That is extremely naive, Dirk.
This is a very particular context.
And in fact, I agree with you that Denny Burke, very uncharacteristically,
given the last number of years, did take Kristen Dumez to task just a few weeks ago or just last
week rather.
And this is the exact context.
This is the context he's trying to pivot.
And John Lehman is trying to pivot right now.
And they're not going to apologize for the many times that they compromise with these heretics.
I'm glad you called Kristen Dumez a heretic.
Good job, because I agree with that.
But the thing is, they've compromised with people like Kristen Dumez again and again and
again and again.
And so they are squishy.
And so now they've realized, again, this is what's going on here.
The genie is out of the bottle and they see the genie and the genie is terrifying.
And they're like, oh, no, we got to get this genie back in the bottle.
But at the same time, they're not willing to say, hey, you know, you guys were right.
Let's join forces.
That's not what they're going to do, because if that's what they were going to do, if Lehman emailed me and he said, or Denny
Burke emailed me and he said, hey, AD, you know, I've heard a lot about you and I've heard a lot of negative things about
you.
But brother, you were right.
How can we team up, man?
How can we join forces?
How can we fight this thing together?
You're going to have your style.
I'm going to have my style.
How can we do it?
It's not that's not what they're doing.
What they're doing is saying those guys, even though they were right, they were still bad.
They're still bad.
And I'm here.
I've always had good discernment.
See, look what I did to Kristen Dumez.
Oh, by the way, here's a quote from John Frame that affirms me.
It's like this is what they're doing.
It's to say that this this quotation is just he just randomly picked it out of the sky and it just floated
there.
And there it is.
No, no, no, no.
There's a context here.
He wants to be right, even as he's been wrong for years and years and years.
And quite frankly, Denny Burke has been part of the problem.
Jonathan Lehman has been part of the problem.
Now, let's continue, because I think that, you know, Dirk, you actually you do a good job in this tweet
kind of messed up.
I've almost got it.
This gap, you do a good job in this gap because you actually bring it back to something that I can agree with.
So let's continue.
Let me explain.
I have personally lamented the fact that the Reformation was divided irrevocably into two opposing
factions because of the fiery attitude of Martin Luther.
He stated after the Malberg Colloquy that Zwingli and those in his side were of a different spirit.
Martin Busser, who was there that day, was immensely saddened because at one point the doctrine of Reformation had
been split in two.
Those are historical facts.
And pondering how we can seek to bring together instead of tearing the church apart in our own day is
a good thing.
In my own life, I try to have something of the spirit of Busser.
After all, he was the one that taught Calvin how to be a pastor.
There's a big difference between being squishy and being kind.
We can never use the former as an excuse for forgetting the latter.
I worry that in our real fight against all of the schemes of the devil, sometimes we forget to
treat others as we would have them treat us.
Completely agree.
Which is why I'm so perplexed, Dirk, that you could be so naive about this tweet from
Denny Burke.
Because I completely agree.
We need to build bridges.
We need to fight this thing together.
Which is why this is so objectionable.
Because he's still trying to hold onto the fact that, oh, those guys are still bad.
AG Robles and Founders Ministry and Protestia and all those.
They're evil.
I'm the one who's got discernment.
And it's like, that's what they're trying to keep those those those barriers between us.
Denny, if you're on our side, great.
We'd love to have you.
I can't trust you right away because trust is earned over time.
I'm highly skeptical of Denny.
I'm highly skeptical of Jonathan Lehman.
But your insistence on being against Kristen Dumez's nonsense or her
screeching like a crazy hysterical woman, that's commendable.
Good for you.
And I'll get your back.
In fact, I've been busy the last few weeks getting all kinds of your buddies backs.
Matt Chandler, Jonathan Lehman, because you started to do there's a shift going on, you see.
You see, there's a shift going on.
And so, Denny, listen, we can mend it.
We can squash it right now.
You can't force me to trust you right away because it doesn't work that way.
And I'm just just like, I'm sure you won't trust me right away.
Doesn't work that way.
Trust is built over time.
So let's fight this thing together and stop with this nonsense.
My goodness, this is the thing.
Like the people who haven't been fighting for years now, they're still going to criticize those who have
been fighting.
They're just joining the fight now.
And they're like, well, you didn't fight right.
You didn't fight correctly.
You you could you you you're just a big meanie.
It's like, dude, if you're if you haven't been fighting, don't be criticizing the way I fight, you know, when we're
friends and we're we're cool.
And maybe you could say, hey, AD, you know, maybe you shouldn't have gone there.
Maybe you shouldn't have said this.
Maybe you should have said that.
I'm cool with hearing that stuff out.
Right.
Because I know we're on the same team.
But as long as you're not, you're still sniping.
That's the point.
You're still sniping in the video yesterday about Matt Chandler.
I said, look, Matt, I got your back.
You know, the feminists are coming for you.
You know, that kind of thing, which, by the way, we'll talk about Chandler again maybe tomorrow.
But they're coming for you.
They're going to try to destroy your life.
I got your back, bro.
I can help you out.
But what would be helpful is if you stop shooting me in the back.
This is Denny Burke still shooting the people on the front lines in the back.
And I'm sick of it.
I'm absolutely sick of it, Denny.
I want to be your friend.
But if we're going to be friends, you're going to have to stop sniping us in the back.
It's just that simple.
So I agree with this guy's gab.
But I think that that's the whole reason I oppose the tweet, because it's not out of context.
It's not completely out of context.
It's in a very particular context when Big Eva is trying to pull that swing where they shift now.
But they're shifting in such a way that there's no repentance.
There's no acknowledgement of any error.
It's just like, well, you know, I'm still the leader.
I'm still conservative.
Like, no, you let this genie out of the bottle.
You got to get on the front lines, bro.
And you got to stop sniping your bros in the back.
So I told I told Dirk this.
I said, you know, well, I didn't say this whole thing.
I just said a couple of comments.
I disagreed that Burke's tweet has no context.
And so Dirk continued.
And I think this is actually I don't agree with this part of it, but it can help me make my point a little bit
better.
Dirk says this.
Maybe we just have to disagree here.
But I think you can be for theonomy and yet take heart to heart frames words.
I completely agree.
So we have no disagreement there.
You can be for theonomy and still think that, you know, Gary North, you know, maybe he shouldn't have been quite as barred.
I like it.
It takes all types, right?
You need the nice theonomist and you need the ones that will beat you over the head with, you know, with the rhetoric
and stuff like you need that, right?
You need that.
I think that the body of Christ needs all kinds of members, right?
There's different strategies for different people.
That's always been my point, right?
Not everybody has to be like A .D. Robles.
We were just on a video call last night with some of the patrons, and somebody said to me that when I hey, when I need
to wake up in the morning, I listen to A .D. Robles.
When I need to go to sleep at night, I listen to John Harris.
Their content is both great, but totally different styles, completely different styles.
John's so helpful.
I listen to John Harris probably more than any other podcaster out there.
I love John Harris, but his style is opposite land to mine in many ways, not in all ways, but in
many ways.
And that's fine.
We need different stuff.
So we don't we don't have to disagree on that, Dirk.
He goes on.
He says Calvin said that a pastor must have two voices, one to speak to the sheep and one to
for the wolves.
I think that is frame's point.
I've made this point many times completely.
So, Dirk, we still don't disagree.
I agree with that as well.
This is a point I've made on the channel again and again and again.
Totally with you on that.
Let's continue.
I think there are there are things that good committed Christians may disagree about and still be good committed
Christians.
So we're still in total agreement.
So here's where we separate, Dirk.
And I think, to be frank with you, no disrespect.
I think you're being naive.
Here we go.
If you think that there is a context for Burke's words, that's fine.
And I will agree that I don't follow him that closely.
I simply wonder if someone else had said it, would there have even been much of a response?
You don't have to wonder there would.
It depends on who said it.
The response is different.
Depends on who, depending on who retweeted it and what was going on at the time, because that's part of how you
understand the message of what he's trying to get, say, unless you're claiming that this just came out of a quote tweet
generator and it's just a random quote just randomly happened at the at this time.
I don't think I think that would be very naive to think.
All right, let's continue.
He says, what if, for instance, Doug Wilson had given that quote?
I imagine that the same words would be plastered all over Gab and people would be saying, wow, he always says
smart stuff.
You may laugh, but I don't think it's beyond the pill for Wilson to say something similar.
Sometimes we are reacting not to the words themselves, but to the messenger.
When Jonathan Lehman wrote his article last week, I was very skeptical, as I am with Chandler's most recent comments.
But in the midst of that, I feel the conviction that I might may not be allowing them to ever say anything of merit.
I've been typecast at times in my life.
I'm cautious of doing that to others.
Dirk, maybe you haven't seen my content on Jonathan Lehman's article and Matt Chandler's thing
yesterday.
I'm in complete agreement with you on that.
I'm not going to be like, well, they can't say anything.
No, I gave Jonathan Lehman's article high praise, very skeptical of him.
Don't trust him.
But his article deserved high praise because it was excellent.
So I'm in total agreement with you.
Where are we disagreeing?
Here's where we're disagreeing.
He's saying that Denny Burke is not saying more than the frame quote
in isolation.
I disagree.
See, if Doug Wilson were to have quoted something else, Doug, in context, is out there.
He's in the fight.
He's in the front lines.
Doug Wilson's participation in the battle is not in question and won't be in question for
a very long time.
Denny Burke's is very much in question.
So if Doug Wilson, who's got arrows sticking out of his arms and he's got a couple of bloody noses
and he's been fighting and he comes up to me and he's like, man, next time when you're in that fight, man, you got to
next time try to pick and roll a little bit.
Maybe dodge this way.
I'm going to take fighting advice from Doug Wilson because he's bruised up.
He's in the mix.
He's got blood in his teeth and stuff like that.
But then when you've got Denny Burke coming over here and his nails are manicured and he's just
pristine, he looks like he might even have a little makeup on, not a single
scratch on him.
And he's sitting there in his lounge chair, in his lazy boy with the little soy latte,
and he's like, AD, you're not fighting this correctly.
You're going to win more if only if you did this strategy, this strategy.
Excuse me if I'm like, yeah, that message is different from Doug Wilson.
It's very different than Denny Burke.
That's just a fact, Dirk.
And I think that you know that because frankly, I think you think we disagree
more than we do.
Dirk, I agree with almost everything except that key point right there.
And I think quite frankly, that my reputation or I'm sorry, maybe not my reputation because people lie about me a lot,
but my body of work I think shows that I agree with you on most of these things.
But excuse me, I'm not going to take fighting advice from someone who's been on the sidelines sipping their soy
lattes from their recliner.
I would take fighting advice from Doug Wilson, because that guy, it's beyond question that he's in this fight.
Anyway, I hope that kind of organizes that thought a little bit more.
I like John Frame.
Nothing against John Frame.
Um, that article is actually okay.
Even, even though he's not a pro -theonomy guy, at least completely, that article is actually okay.
I remember reading it when my pastor sent it to me.
I was like, like, why did you, why would you think this would be, like, why would you think this would
convince me not to read Theonomist?
I don't, I don't get it.
Anyway, I hope you found this video helpful.
God bless.