June 26, 2020 Show with Dr. Jeffrey Waddington on “The Role of the Law in the Christian Life”

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Introducing Dr. Jeffrey Waddington and the Theme of the Law

And today we have returning after quite an absence, I'm so glad he's back, and I'm looking forward to an excellent interview today with Dr. Jeffrey C. Waddington, the new pastor at Faith Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Fawn Grove, Pennsylvania.

He's also an author, a conference speaker, vice president of the board of directors for the Reformed Forum, and articles editor for the Confessional Presbyterian Journal. Today we are going to be discussing the role of the law in the life of a Christian.

Yes, that is irrefutably the best version of this song, I Fought the Law, and the Law Won by The Clash. One of my favorite teenage bands, or when I was a teenager anyway, in the 70s, growing up on Long Island.

But that is not what we're talking about today. We're talking about the role of the law in the Christian life. And this is specifically going to be in regard to the law as the will of God for our lives.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Shop and Zion Radio, Dr. Jeffrey C. Waddington.

Oh, it's my pleasure to be here. I was, you know, I was wanting to find a recording of the special music in your church's worship service.

Yeah, I'm sure if any of my elders are hearing this, they'll be thrilled to have that connection made.

My privilege to join you, brother. I'm sorry I've been away. There's no good excuse for not being... Somewhere in that neighborhood, very close to Maryland. Yep.

And I have the honor and privilege of being present as you were officially installed as the new pastor at Faith Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Fawn Grove, Pennsylvania. And what a beautiful little country church that is.

And I'm looking forward to, hopefully, God willing, many visits to that church in the future. And hopefully you'll be able to, at some point, return as a guest right here in the studio, as most of our previous interviews have been conducted.

Yes, always, definitely.

Well, tell our listeners, before we go into our theme today, you're giggling about something. I must have missed something. Yes, about Faith Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Fawn Grove, Pennsylvania.

Well, the congregation... Yeah, and written a few books on the church.

I got to look him up. Yeah, I'm also living in the parsonage of a 19th century Presbyterian pastor. They call it the old manse around here, George Norcross, who was very prophetic in his day. I don't mean with a divine gift of extra biblical revelation.

I mean, he really hit the nail on the head when he saw how devastating the encroachment of liberalism into the Presbyterian church is going to be. And I'm sure he'd be really spinning in his grave if he was made aware of what's going on in the denomination where he pastored.

But he was apparently a great man of God, and I'm honored to be conducting the program live from his home, which...

Yeah, it's a beautiful home in a beautiful... Right on the main drag there in Carlisle, which is in itself a lovely community with historical significance around the Battle of Gettysburg and how the car...

Kind of. It's been 44 years.

Wow. It's been a long time for any pastor.

Yeah, that's virtually unheard of right in our day. So it's a lovely congregation. There is a manse. Not every OPC congregation has an official residence. So behind me is a corner...

It's one small town. Well, if anybody wants to find out more about Faith Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Fawn Grove, Pennsylvania, go to faithopc .net, faithopc .net. And, well, Dr. Waddington, as I said before, I know we were taking a general approach to the law of God as being the will of God for our lives.

And you do have to be specific when you mention law, because even before the show, there was some confusion by people who heard, or should I say, saw the publicity for the interview. What do you mean by the law in America and civil law in the 21st century?

Or do you mean the law of Moses? Or what specifically are you talking about?

Those are good questions, right? Generally, you know, as I said, there's usually law in different ways. And so when we're reading God's Word, that's what I'm getting at. But you have the law as it was given to Adam and Eve in the garden prior to the fall.

It's also, you know, written on the heart. So the law, the Garden of Eden, both refers to the human being because we're all abbreviated since it was given to Sinai, to the children of Israel. That should be a sense, a little bit, a little extended, a little more beyond the immediate Ten Commandments to the whole Mosaic administration.

Old Testament, it may have the announcement about our interview, might have thought God may be equipped, the man of God may be in view. Two other that need to be church divided, be the moral.

Yes, anybody who listens to my show regularly, knows that although I have since my born again experience with Christ and being regenerated and being added into the church and joining a non-Roman Catholic church, which is where I was raised, in the Roman Catholic church, ever since being a Bible-believing Christian, I have always been a member of a Reformed, confessional, covenantal Baptist church.

But I have always, as long as I've been a Christian, maintained friendships with those whose theology has been nicknamed New Covenant theology, and they are Calvinistic Baptists who believe that there are no threefold divisions of the law, or is no, perhaps is a better way of saying it, there is no threefold division of the law.

They say that it's all one chunk, and therefore, as far as the Old Covenant law is concerned, they say it was completely fulfilled in Christ, and the only law we have in the New Covenant is that which is specifically commanded by Christ.

So that would be the division amongst Calvinistic Baptists.

Of course, it goes back at least to Thomas Aquinas, if not before that. So you're going back to the 20th century. Remember, they're recognized by Jesus even after the New Covenant, as a nice actual segue, because there's, and the reason for that is that we recognize there are portions, there are aspects.

Ten commandments, as far as I'm aware, as far as I can tell, are still abiding. There's nowhere, in fact, repeated in the New Testament.

That's why the New Covenant folk believe that nine of the ten commandments are commands of Christ.

Well, but they're commands of Christ in the Old Testament.

Right, right, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just...

No, no, I understand that. But they come from the hands of the Son of God, because it's the Son of God who is the communicator, you know, who does the speaking, right, He is the Word Himself. He said about that, but I mean, that's the Law of Moses in particular.

And so even though I would not agree with someone who thinks that only nine of the ten standards, I would be at odds with someone like D .A. Carson, who I have a lot of respect for.

And John MacArthur, to be added to that.

It would also be, okay, that wouldn't surprise me. Again, another man who I have a lot of respect for. The moral law would be the best from abiding a Christian life. Calvin held that the third use of the law was its primary...

...hijack or derail the conversation. But do you know, or have you a convicted opinion as to whether John Calvin was a Sabbatarian? Because there seems to be support for him not being a Sabbatarian.

Well, it depends on what we mean by Sabbatarian. I mean, I understand that he's not a Puritan. Okay, so he's not a Sabbatarian in the strict almost 100 years, thinking of the church, everything nailed down.

Then some others. But yes, I'm aware of the incense. That's a matter of history. He was who he was, right? You always, when you teach what he taught and believed.

And when we return from our first break, which is coming up, I'd like you to wrap up everything that you wanted to say in regard to the law before the new covenant. Because we even, as you already hinted at, the Lord brought the law even into the Garden of Eden before there was even any existence of Jews or Israel, or an old covenant with Israel.

So we'll touch on that. Then we'll go into the main thesis today about the law being a part of the Christian life, what role it plays in the Christian life. And don't go away. By the way, if you have a question of your own, send it to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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