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Everybody how you doing out there?

Nice Friday and Hopefully what we're gonna do is get into some hate mail

wacko mail my my wife found some and said it was good and She was cracking up, so

I said put her in the wacko mail area and Just found out via Facebook that there are people who

actually enjoy The the wacko and hate mail stuff that I do so praise God for that

now if you are interested And give me a call.

The number is eight seven seven two zero seven two two Seven six

and if you want to get in direct line two zero eight three seven seven three seven nine

zero I'd love to hear from you and Let's see.

We get Bible study going on Wednesday nights and We have

been going through the gospel of John it's been a decent turnout for that.

Turns out that people are really interested in topical issues, so I'm thinking about

Doing a series of various topics.

And I'll put it up on a calendar on the website and people can come in and decide which ones you want to go To which

ones you want to see things like that, which is you know, it's just fine, you know and have people Come into the things that

they're interested in.

In fact, I may put up a survey On karm and ask what kind of topics would you like covered?

Because not only do people show up physically but also because

People watch it online and we've been doing this on Facebook, which you can get on watch right now by going to Facebook

karm .org and you can also Watch on YouTube and the

link for that is on the karm home page.

Which I just updated just a little bit ago.

So you can click on that and you can watch and hopefully enjoy the show that way.

So there you go for that now for those of you who may be tuning in new You're not sure

what the show is about this is a Christian based show and it

is dealing with the issue of Christian theology and

And apologetics now apologetics is that branch of Christian theology that deals with the

Defense and the establishment of the Christian faith.

And so I started doing that in 1980 when I just started studying on Mormons and Jehovah's

Witnesses and then going out and occasionally witnessing and Over

the years I've done all kinds of things door -to -door evangelism beach

evangelism prison ministry swap meet ministry phone ministry.

Now doing radio but on TV.

In fact, I gotta be on a B and satellite TV here pretty soon I think next week.

I'll get the schedule up on that and other things just getting out there reaching and teaching.

And so I'm grateful for the opportunity to be able to do that.

It's a you know, it's a great thing To be able to serve God In the capacity that he's given.

You know for a broken vessel like myself.

We are all sinners.

Saved by grace and kept by grace.

And so I teach various Theological doctrines some people agree.

Some people don't agree.

And of course I teach the eternal security of the believer.

I don't believe that we can lose our salvation because to be honest God doesn't make any mistakes and

Jesus clearly told us that He will not lose

any of whom the Father has given him and I can get into that those kind of issues.

So I definitely believe in biblical orthodoxy and we'll get to the caller here in a minute.

I had a discussion with some gentlemen Last night on the issue of Mullen ism and maybe

we'll go over some of that if you're interested in discussing Mullen ism you can type in questions in the Facebook and or

the the chat on the YouTube thing you can call in as well

and Mullen ism is the idea of what's called counterfactuals and libertarian free will and

some other stuff and Let's just say the conversation didn't go well.

And We can talk about that maybe a little bit later on those issues.

I've been working on things trying to demonstrate Biblical theology

and show why certain things just can't be biblically true and You know, that's what I

try and do and hopefully people enjoy that.

I don't mind if people don't agree.

I Think disagreeing is fine.

I think it's healthy.

I think it should be done in a godly way.

I think that those who just say, you know, I don't agree.

Okay.

Well, let's just talk about it.

And that's how we should be done politely.

So anyway, that's what we do in the radio show.

We're doing this 11 years and for the new listeners sometimes on Fridays depending on how the calls go I will do hate mail

and wacko mail.

Hate mail is just basically stuff that says that I'm no good and horrible and things like that and wacko mail.

Basically that category is they don't have all their paws in the litter box and then they'll write things and sometimes are

kind of interesting.

And so we've done that my favorite of course has been atomic body man, which years ago

I did on a hate mail wacko mail thing and people still talk about atomic body man.

And the thing is I've got it someplace and I could play it.

But I don't know what even what year it was in or what month so we've got 2 ,000 shows

and I just don't know which one it is.

So if someone knows out there, you can let me know and maybe we can I can resurrect it.

You can play it.

It was kind of funny people still loved atomic body man has to do with the with

Certain pastor that someone said his body on a certain date would be changed to an atomic body and I just had a load

of Fun with that one.

I just get you know, what happens if each chili, you know.

You have some problems and so it was a lot of fun and people still still like that.

All right, let's just jump right in.

Let's get to Stephanie from Meridian.

Hey Stephanie.

How are you?

Hey, I'm doing good.

How are you?

By God's grace doing really well.

What do you got?

Well, I just wanted your and if you could help me out.

My husband and I have been and for the past six months been approached by a group and

Couple local church by witness Lee and while they're very a very generous and friendly people There's a

lot of things that are raising some cautionary flags to us.

And we're just trying to discern everything and just wanted to get your just help and understanding

really what they believe.

And how to go about approaching them.

It's been a long time since I had to do with that deal with them.

So my memory and what they teach is pretty rusty.

So, let me see if I can find something because as soon as I find a little bit of information all of a sudden

You know, it all comes back.

Okay, I can remember some stuff.

But witness Lee the local church.

I recommend people stay away from.

And I did go to their headquarters in Anaheim, California when I lived there

and In that area and went there and spent, you know an hour or so with them

on on their campus on their church facility and

Let's just say that.

Well, let's just say I had to say this.

I Received a letter afterwards.

I had a good conversation with them received a letter a week or so afterwards that in my opinion

Was a veiled threat.

Because what they said in that In that letter was that

sometimes people will some of the people will how

to say write negative things about them and say negative things about them and then what they're forced to do is

go into Litigation to to deal with that and he says and I'm glad you're not like that.

Is how the letter was, you know, it was really nice.

But you could tell what they were saying was if I said anything they would sue me so.

That's uh, that's one of the things I remember.

They hold some other weird doctrines and I can't remember which ones they are.

But let me ask you a question.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, there's there's a couple with the trying God and they only hand out their version of the Bible and they

stick to that.

And Then they also Really focused on some ministry books

other than the word and they're only written by witness Lee and watchman me and that was just another

Cautionary thing for me.

I was like, why can't we go beyond other people?

Why do we have to just stick here?

And.

So that's my question today was you know, this just doesn't feel it doesn't look right when

according to scripture doesn't.

It just feels weird, too.

Right.

There.

They they okay.

Sure.

Remember?

I'm sorry.

It's been so long.

I can visualize.

I remember the place I was at when I went in the building that I bought books and bought some literature and stuff like

that.

And they're very close to being good.

They're very close to a lot of areas that are good but there are some problems and

they they tend to be Inclusive and an us versus them kind of

mentality and witness Lee and his material Even though I haven't read through a lot of it in

20 years Is very problematic.

I just don't recommend anybody go there now.

Yes, they are if they're there At your place and they're going to come back.

You can have me come over.

I'll be glad to meet with them.

Okay, I have no problem with that at all.

I would like that and do some analysis.

I have a way of being able to find out what people believe and then Demonstrate how what they believe is either

biblical or non -biblical.

So everything some interesting things like when we pray we need to pray in a trance and

I'm just really Cool things that they do and I just

I just feel this spirit in me like being quenched like raising this is the flag this is caution.

Stay away and and.

We listen to your show regularly and and your website and we just kind of wanted to get your view because they do

seem very loving and generous and I Mean they seem like a very loving people.

So and we just wanted to get your view on what they believe.

Like Yeah, no, I appreciate what you've said though it is

helpful because I'm like I said It's been about six months since we've met them.

And while some of the things they say are right on there's a lot of cautionary things, too.

And that we want to we just wanted to.

Well, seriously, I'm motivated now to do some more study on them.

But I'm looking through web branch websites that are you know.

What I like.

When I do a listing of our analysis of a group I'll say here's what they teach.

Bang bang bang bang bang.

Because that's what we want to know and a lot of articles.

What they'll do is I'll go in and they talk about generalities.

I like to get more specific, but if if you want if they come back if you set it up.

Let me know.

I'll come on over and we can talk.

Okay, great.

I'm sure all right.

Okay, I would love that and that would be helpful.

Oh, thank you very much.

Hey, no problem at all.

No problem at all.

Have a good day.

You too.

Thanks.

God bless.

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That's right prayer reading.

I remember that now a prayer reading where you pray over every single verse as you're reading it in a kind of a mantra

stance.

That's problematic.

That's a mystical kind of things that they incorporate into it.

Into their church and you know what?

I just got to.

I got to find out whether as I say and in document and hopefully they won't sue me.

That's how it works, you know.

Been threatened with several lawsuits over the years for some of some of the things I've written about groups.

But that's what it is.

You know, I mean, hey if the Bible says it I'm gonna stand on it and we'll just see.

All right.

So we have no other callers waiting right now if you want to give me a call folks and get in line though two zero eight three seven seven

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Let's let me jump into some hate mail or some wacko mail.

Actually the one that my wife was laughing laughing about.

I don't know if it's all that good, but I'm gonna give it a shot.

Here goes.

Let's see ant day a ant ant day a hive of

misrepresenting morons.

That should keep their uneducated eyes from Scripture and prophecy if they choose wrong and tread on a

true divine King such as me.

And my blue blood blood crown.

Now folks you see this is the kind of thing that definitely qualifies as wacko mail.

You know, we don't know if they have all their paws in a litter box.

All right, it's never a good idea.

This person goes on.

It's never a good idea to be cursed by a true divine King.

For using his voice to make your own salaries without paying a tithe Word he

just did just one word with a period of it.

Whole groups and countries of people got cursed for disrespecting one crowned by a God

if You read your scriptures correctly.

So I guess this person's a polytheist and he's a true King and there's many gods.

Wow.

That's interesting.

Also, let's see I says I don't rely on armies.

I use a power that is much much greater than that of man.

Your Jesus was my cousin.

You.

Man, I'm smiling trying not to lose it here.

You normies are but a grain of salt to the power I wield.

I wheel.

Oh, man.

It's hard to read cuz it's not written very well, but a grain of salt to the power I wheeled through my crown and again you

Jesus is not returning M a direct descendant of David.

The Davidic line that of Abraham and the Levites a natural -born sorcerer of the divine.

Just as Jesus was good day.

So Obviously here we have someone who's I would say deranged maybe demonically

oppressed.

Definitely is not on the meds.

And stuff like that.

Now this person goes on and says Jesus is dead and won't be coming back and he calls us idiots.

Mm -hmm.

Folk even called me Jesus because of my abilities sick of morons like you writing your idiocy.

Oh, and I hate religious buildings.

This person says biggest waste of taxpayer money taxpayer money religious buildings.

I didn't get that one in the u .s.

Oh.

And those silly cracker pasty Jesus sticker idols that remind me of Marshall.

Okay, so, you know, I'm gonna tell you something, you know, people might say well Matt.

You're making fun of this person.

Well, you know I'm not trying to just reading the mail and going through some of the stuff.

But I want to tell you that I have to deal with people like this for he'll I'm not kidding.

There are people who?

You know, this is what they say.

This is what they do.

This is this is their idea of Truth and

they'll argue with me in various ways on the web various written forms verse whatever it is, you know social

Medias and then when I don't respond to them.

What they do is they get mad at me and they claim victory because I couldn't refute them.

I'm telling you it's tough.

That's why if you were to go to car, excuse me, go to the web and type in my name.

You'll see all kinds of stuff.

But nevertheless, we'll get us some more a wacko and hate mail in a minute.

We got a caller.

So if you want to give me a call though get in line two zero eight three seven seven three seven

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seven two two.

Seven six, let's get to Chris a Chris.

How are you?

Hi, I'm okay. How are you?

By God's grace doing pretty well.

What's up?

Well, I.

Hope I don't sound crazy.

So I called maybe about a week or so ago and I felt first off.

I wanted to apologize because I Kind of got cut off in the middle when you were talking and I didn't want you to think that

I had hung up on You.

I kind of have bad cell reception.

The second thing and this is gonna sound crazy.

I don't know if you remember me.

I called cuz my friends had like a debate and then they wanted me to moderate and I.

Anyway, I learned a whole lot about.

I was learning a whole lot about Christianity from you and then my phone.

I lost reception and right drop the call.

The truth of matter is I don't honestly know why I'm calling.

All I know is like for the last couple days I've just had like I don't want to sound crazy, but it's almost like

like a little voice.

This is like you should call that Matt guy again.

You should call him again, and I have no idea why so I hope this is not crazy, but maybe you

know I

Like a race.

Sorry, I'm a little embarrassed because I don't know.

All right.

Well Chris, you're in Utah, right?

That's right.

All right, and do you go to church?

No, I didn't never grow up with a religion.

I All of my friends are trying to get me to go to theirs now, so.

Well, so you're not a Christian.

Are you patient now?

I suppose not.

Okay.

Well, I would recommend that you become a Christian.

I recommend that you trust in Jesus.

Have you read the Gospels Matthew Mark Luke John in the Bible?

I.

Am familiar with.

What my friends have called me.

And you know cultural osmosis, I suppose.

Have you read?

It.

Have you read it?

Uh, no, actually.

One of my friends gave me one of those.

Well, hold on.

Okay, yeah, yeah, I just what I asked, you know, this is how it works.

I I'm like this.

I have Asperger's and I ask very direct questions as people just say yes or no we go on to those questions.

So have you read the Gospels?

No, we go on we go.

There's no big deal.

So I would recommend that you read the Gospels get a Bible stay away from the King James because it's got these

and vows in.

It's just hard to understand.

You know, the NIV is good.

The ESV is good.

The NASB is good and just check them out and and read.

You gotta you gotta study who Jesus is.

Well, can I can I ask it what might be a stupid question?

Not stupid.

Go ahead.

Well, where do I like.

I mean, I'm Read Les Miserables, but.

The miserable is a great book.

It really was.

I read it loved it.

But no no the Gospels Matthew Mark Luke John in the New Testament.

Okay, I would start with.

Maybe you could start with.

I don't know.

You know just just you know Beginning of the New Testament read a little bit read the read red words about what

Jesus said and then just go through the New Testament a little bit it start reading things.

What will happen is you'll get all kinds of questions and you can call me we can talk about those things and you could learn.

But let me give you a heads up.

Okay, let me kind of condense stuff about Christianity and what it is.

Okay, can I do that for you really?

I'd like that actually.

All right.

Okay Christianity is the teaching that there's only one God in all existence all place in all time.

That means Mormonism is false.

Okay, okay period.

All right, it teaches a doctrine of the Trinity that there's one God who exists as three simultaneous

persons not three gods it's kind of like time is composed of past

present future the one being is composed of a father son and Holy Spirit and

The the word or the Son Became flesh and dwelt among us.

That's Jesus.

So Jesus is Both divine and human he's both God and man and he came to

the world and born of a virgin.

You've heard of that I'm sure and he lived a perfect life and then a lot of people got upset with him.

Because he was doing so many good things and not teaching the status quo in ancient Israel and so

they had the Romans kill him and They crucified him and this is all part of God's big

plan and Jesus rose from the dead physically three days later, he retained the

crucifixion wounds and That is the proof That what he said

was true.

He claimed to be God.

He performed miracles.

He said that salvation or forgiveness of sins can only be accomplished

through him.

Okay, so if you know if you break a law and you're arrested and you stand before the judge and he's gonna

sentence you.

There's a punishment due to you breaking the law.

Right, that's proper, right?

Yeah, well, there you go, okay, and so it's the same thing when we

sin we break the law of God and You know don't lie.

God said don't lie.

So when we lie, we sin and there's a penalty and you've sinned I've sent the penalty.

Is that fine?

Well, it just so happens that the penalty that God gives to us is an

eternal penalty because We offend him.

So if I were to slap you say we're just talking and I just slap you upside the head you might take a swing back at me you might say what was that

for whatever and You know, whatever if I were to slap President Trump.

Even though it's the same action.

I get a different result I would go to jail to it's a felony probably I don't know the exact law

on the president.

But yeah, you go to jail.

Well, why does the exact same action get different results because of who it's against?

Well, if we were to so to speak go to the infinite God and slap him by sinning against him.

Then we have an infinite result and that separation from God Isaiah 59 to in its death.

Which is separation I can get into that so Since sin is breaking the law of God.

It's a legal problem and like your debt.

You know the judge this isn't exactly one -for -one relationship.

But this is how it worked a judge could just say your sins are forgiven or you know Forget that the fine he can do that.

He can reduce it but in biblical theology God can't ignore his own law.

Otherwise, he's not righteous.

So what he does is he takes it upon himself Jesus.

Jesus fulfilled the law.

Jesus took our sin because sin is breaking the law of God and it's a legal debt and legal debts could be transferred.

Transferred to Jesus.

He died with them paying the price paying the penalty.

So what we do is trusting what Jesus did and That's all we can do.

You're not good enough.

I'm not good enough.

We are not good enough and Even though groups like the Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses Roman

Catholics say we are good enough in our own effort to be able to make it With God, that's just not biblical.

I could go into the theology of that Bible, too.

That's basically what's going on.

So if you read what I but I actually can interject like

this is My I want I want something but my friends think I like the

warring against one another to get me go to their church.

So I'm kind of inundated with stuff like I got which I was with a friend gave me a Bible.

My Mormon friend gave me their book.

I got the Bible from my evangelical friend the one that doesn't have the Old Testament.

Except for that's it.

He's just given you and then I just give you.

Give me a New Testament version.

That's fine.

No big deal.

Just start reading at the beginning of the New Testament and say the gospel of John.

So that's the one I should read.

Yeah, try it.

It's no big deal.

But the Mormons are not the Mormons are not Christian.

Do I just not read them or do I give them?

I don't want to be rude, but I don't want to accidentally read something that's bad, but.

Well, I don't want to get confused, but I don't.

Let me tell you I've heard some really bad things about the Jehovah's Witness Bible, but I was like, I don't know.

It sounds like a Bible to me.

The only Bible I know when we were talking last week about the Catholic Bible that it has extra books.

Right here.

I probably shouldn't read that one.

Right.

You don't want to trust that?

Okay.

Go Go to my website and look up this stuff on Roman Catholicism go

to the cut and paste section and you can read stuff on Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses and Roman Catholicism.

Mormonism teaches that God used to be a man on another planet and he became a god.

By following the laws and ordinances of that God on that planet.

He brought one of his wives with him to this world.

They have sexual relations in heaven and they make spirit babies that inhabit human bodies at birth.

When you become a full Mormon pay a full 10 % by the current come to the church.

You get to go to the temple ceremony and the temple ceremony.

I'm skipping details.

But in the temple you get handshakes and hugs a new name.

And if you are good enough, you have the potential becoming a god of your own planet starting it over again.

That's Mormonism and it was invented by Joseph Smith in the 1830s.

And even though Joseph Smith say it's the restored gospel.

It is not Jehovah's Witnesses deny the doctrine of the Trinity.

They deny that Jesus is God in flesh.

They deny that the Holy Spirit has a self -awareness and as personhood.

They also like the Mormons teach that you have to be good and keep the law in order to be saved.

The Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus physically rose from the dead and they teach that when you die, you don't exist

anymore.

The Roman Catholics though, they affirm the proper doctrine of the Trinity and who Jesus is.

Unfortunately, what they do is they commit idolatry in the worship and adoration of Mary.

Which all ultimately these apparitions that occur over the world are demonic manifestations and we can determine that by

reading what these Apparitions say they also add works to salvation and like the Mormons and Jehovah's

Witnesses.

They also teach that you have to do good works to keep yourself right with God and things like that and the Bible clearly

refutes that but the Roman Catholics are very astute at imposing philosophy upon

their scriptures and Resting it to their own destruction.

If you have a Baptist Church to go to for the most part, it's a good church now.

Are you do you live anywhere near Sandy, Utah?

That's actually where I live.

All right, what I'd like you to do seriously is Go to the web.

You have an internet connection.

You can get to the internet, right?

Yeah, okay and go look up mrm .org

Mormonism research ministry dot o RG.

It's run by Bill McKeever.

Bill's a friend of mine he lives in Sandy and Bill can tell you

you can contact him.

You can call the office tell him Matt slick on the radio Recommended him and he can tell you what churches are good to go to in the area.

You can even go to his church meet him.

He's one of the world's top experts on Mormonism.

No joke and Eric Johnson works with him.

I don't Eric Johnson works with him.

Oh, man.

I just realized something.

I think Bill's in Israel.

I'm not sure I think he is right now.

So you could contact Eric Johnson at mrm email him and he's I don't know.

He's there to heck.

I don't know.

I don't think he is.

I don't whatever anyway, they can tell you.

They can tell you what churches are good in the area.

Sorry about that.

I just realized I think they're in Israel Might be contact him.

Okay.

Sure.

Okay, then.

Well, then I guess here's what I'll do then I'll give them a call and I guess

I'll just start reading from the first one of Gospels and Yeah, maybe I'll call

you in a week and I mean, I don't know this is all new to me So I don't I don't want to bug you.

All right.

Now stay.

I have more questions when I read.

Okay, let me give you some more advice.

Stay away from any church that's got a woman pastor or elder and I can go into why that's a problem.

But it is they don't mean they're not taking the Bible seriously.

And also.

Stay away from any church with the word united in the front.

For some reason about 95 of Whacko churches that have the word united

in the title are also bad like United Methodist United and Pentecostal.

If it has a united in it, just stay away.

These are generic rules.

Okay, I see a lot of assemblies.

Is that a good.

Is that a good or bad word to look for.

I would not go.

To an assembly of God Church because they're hyper charismatic teach you can lose your salvation.

Have women pastors and elders and they're becoming theologically liberal.

Okay, then I will Stay away from that one.

Okay, stay from that.

Okay.

Try Calvary Chapel.

Try a Calvary Chapel.

Nice average.

Low -key and comfortable.

You'd be fine.

Okay.

Sure.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

All right, sounds good, all right, God bless.

Thank you Matt, okay.

All right.

That's Chris from Utah folks I hope you would pray for him that God would open his heart and his mind to who Jesus is and that

he'd also find a good church that you wouldn't get sucked up into cults and False liberal groups and there's

an increasing number of them and I'll tell you I Am so busy trying to

catch You and write about all the wacko stuff out there.

It is it's hard Man, I wish people just settled down.

Give me give me 20 years to catch up and then they can start going heretical again.

All right, Ben from Middleton.

Hey Ben, how are you?

I'm doing good.

How are you doing?

By God's grace.

I'm doing very well.

What do you got buddy?

Well, I just after going through on YouTube of your Bible study this past Wednesday I

decided to read that heresy festival book again and Then I needed something good in

theology.

So I decided to read your book the influence again.

I just wanted to thank you for that book because it is just your book is just incredible.

Okay.

Okay, I'm gonna be narcissistic here.

I got an ask.

So why is the book incredible?

It's simply that you're biblically based.

I mean, there's not a lot of Christian fiction out there.

That's really.

Steady and strong with the with Bible teaching.

Yeah, I know.

And not saying that I'm great or anything, but yeah, you could tell in the book I really wove in to with the dialogue of

Soter the angel and Mark Biblical theology and you could just tell you know, it's right there

and stuff.

Oh, yeah.

Did you enjoy the storyline though, was it was it gripping it the first time I read it.

I read it in about eight hours.

Wow, and now I'm on reading number two, I just I just couldn't put it down.

Wouldn't it make a good movie?

I.

Think it'd make a fantastic movie.

And what I think you know.

If you if you guys decide to do a low -budget thing and make it I volunteer to be the crazy whack job that gets to that.

Well, I bet that probably taken by me.

I'm pretty good at that.

Do we know what.

I'm so talented when it comes to being obnoxious and irritating that I could play the bad parts.

Very very naturally, but you know what?

It would take a multi -million dollar budget to produce that movie because of the special effects necessary in the angelic realm.

And it's not gonna happen.

But you know, but still it's a good book, you know, I got number two I'm working on and number three

after that.

I just got to get to it.

I got so much to do.

It's hard.

I.

Know how crazy busy you are.

I'm at your Bible study quite often and I just the work you have to put into just that.

Is I know?

So, where do you sit in the Bible study?

I'm usually second row.

You're left right on the aisle right by typically.

Doofus II looking guy I remember now I

Like that, okay cool.

All right.

Well good man.

Praise God I'm glad you liked the book and if people want to get it You can go to the karma website on the home page and

it's there just get the link and go order it.

There you go.

All right, man.

All right.

Thank you.

All right, buddy.

God bless.

All right, we have fun in the Bible study.

There's we always laugh one way or another.

I always like to have fun and and I have a good sense of humor and don't take myself seriously and and when guys ask

me questions, they'll ask three or four in a row and I'll don't slump my shoulders and go what and.

You know, we just have fun and if you ever want to go I'll get more information on it next week.

But there you go.

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All right Mons.

Hey Mons, how are you?

I'm pretty good.

Hey, you've been watching that series on Mars that was on a few months ago.

No.

Come on Olympus Mons on Mars, you gotta watch it.

It's good.

Too bad.

All right.

What's up, man?

What do you got?

Well, I can't pray in a trance.

You can't pray in a trance.

Yeah.

Yeah, I would I would agree that trances aren't really way to go.

That's what some groups do and teach.

But I pray in my Buick what's that I pray in my Buick.

You pray in your Buick.

All right.

Well, uh good.

Did you continue to pray to?

Yeah.

All right, well do you have a question.

Oh

Okay, oh.

Okay, gotcha.

All right.

Okay.

Well prayers you drive.

All right.

Well, appreciate that.

All right.

Okay.

All right.

God bless.

All right, that was Mons and he's been calling up for a few years and what he does it just called up any

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Eric hey, Eric, how are you?

I'm doing well.

How you doing Matt doing?

All right, but God's grace.

What do you got buddy?

Yeah, so.

Lately, I've taken a very keen interest in the book of Enoch and the

Beneha Elohim The sons of God and the Nephilim and you know, I'm not

sure what what I think about it.

But it's definitely very interesting and entertaining to look at it.

So I just wanted to get your take on.

What are your thoughts on the book of Enoch and the implications that it has with like the Nephilim and stuff

like that?

Well.

You have to refresh my my memory on the issue what the Nephilim are stated about in the book of Enoch.

But the book of Enoch is not considered to be Scripture and even though it's quoted by Jude It

doesn't mean that it's inspired.

There are lots of books in the Bible at least 20 that are referred to but are not

included in Scripture so the book of Enoch is is valuable and it's

historically Interesting, but it's not scripture.

Okay, right.

All right.

I mean, yeah.

Absolutely, and I wouldn't make the argument that it was it, uh, you know it just because you

know.

Somebody like Jude quotes it.

Therefore it would have to be scripture.

I think that'd be a weak argument, right?

I mean, I think Paul quotes pagans.

Yeah, he does.

Epimenides and Menander, but it doesn't mean they're inspired.

Right.

Yeah, so that'd be a bad argument for it.

However, I mean knowing that Enoch was only seven generations He's a

great -granddaddy of Noah and the fact that the fragments that we do have of Enoch were found

with the Dead Sea Scrolls And that it can be traced back to a language called Ge 'ez or

something.

So it's like even more ancient than Aramaic and Hebrew.

It's like a Sumerian language.

It was even I mean it was authored by

Enoch as is, you know purported to be I mean, that's one of the on the face of the earth and

the fact that Enoch Walked so closely with God that he's one of the only two people that God liked him so much

He took him up in heaven without dying.

I mean, I don't know.

I just find it really interesting it's kind of it is it is interesting and.

It is interesting if you like interesting stuff read Emanuel Velikovsky.

There's some interesting stuff that he's come up with in there as well.

There's all kinds of very interesting intriguing things that are out there.

Book of Enoch has some interesting stuff in it.

So does some of the books of the Apocrypha, but they were never considered scripture and they're not but you know.

It doesn't mean that they don't have some valuable insight to some things and it's it's kind of fun to say wow.

That's really old and look what it says just like if you've ever heard of Ebla the Ebla tablets.

Have you ever heard of those?

No, what's that?

They're.

If I remember correctly, it's been a long time and in the 70s I think it was a 70s someone who knows this stuff can correct me

easily.

I'm sure but there was a discovery over in the Middle East of a library of

cuneiform tablets the Ebla tablets and the library was I think

they said at the present rate of translation would take 200 years to Translate all the documents.

That's how many there were there.

Maybe that's not accurate.

Wow.

It was huge and I also found out about 10 years ago that there's some references

apparently in there, too I think it's either Abraham or Abraham and Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah and

Okay in that area, you know, it's just interesting stuff.

Yeah.

Right.

All right.

Definitely.

So I mean why why would you say that Enoch?

What precludes it from being scripture?

Like what what are some of the problems with it?

I don't know what the problems are with it But it's just not inspired and if it's inspired then God will have it in the canon.

The Christian Church Recognizes the issue of what inspiration is and his criteria for doing that.

Has to be you know authored by.

Well in the New Testament sense It'd be it'd be different than the Old Testament Because the Jews are the ones who recognize the Word of God.

In the Old Testament the canon was closed by the time Jesus was around and so It was

not considered to be scripture by the Jews.

So it just didn't accept it in it.

Yeah, they didn't accept it in their canon either.

Right.

So why didn't they you know, I don't know but there's probably some things in it that are problematic.

Theologically, I don't know but Sorry, go ahead

I was gonna say Luke 1151 Jesus quotes or references the first and last book of the Old Testament.

At the time of its the way it was arranged then for the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah and that was the

equivalent of Genesis to Malachi and The book of Enoch and the apocryphal books are excluded from that

listing.

So Jesus also did not recognize the book of Enoch as being inspired.

Okay?

Interesting point because reading through it. I can't really find too many things.

That would be a problem Theologically and I even found some things in the Talmud for why some of the

ancient rabbis rejected it they didn't like the fact that Enoch was

saying that ain't that 200 angels decided to rebel against God and then come

down and mess around with the genetics of Humans by you know impregnating human

women and so they found that to be almost like blasphemy so they just discounted it and

For that reason alone and Another thing interesting about Enoch is it other than Daniel where Daniel

explicitly refers to the Messiah as the Son of Man I mean there are messianic

prosthetic Words that are written in there about the Son of Man and it says Son of Man over and

over again.

More so than most of the Old Testament.

So I don't know.

Well, yeah.

But then have you ever heard of what's called the didache?

Didache.

Yeah, okay, isn't isn't the didache.

It's like a creed kind of thing where it talks about.

It lists a bunch of beliefs of the early Christians.

Okay, the didache was written by the Apostles or the disciple of the Apostles.

Maybe Paul a car person.

Debate within the first century and you know from 60 to 90 AD.

And it describes a lot of things very very early, but it's not in the canon either.

And there's not and from what I know there's nothing theologically wrong with the didache.

Right, right.

So there's some issues, you know, I could do some research on the book of Enoch sometime and find out Why their

problems in it and maybe do a little article on it, you know list out some of the thing.

Just like I did in the book in some of the apocryphal books that the Catholic Church

Approves in Tobit, there's a use of magic and money in order to get sins forgiven.

This is obviously counter biblical and should not be in the can.

But they included 1546 in response to the Protestant Reformation.

But anyway, we've got other callers buddy.

We need to kind of move on.

Okay, buddy.

All right, man, God bless.

Yeah, the book of Enoch folks is referenced by Jude the brother of Jesus and it's in a less chat last book

of the New Testament, but it does not mean that it's inspired.

It certainly has some historical validity and valuable Content, but it's just not inspired.

And so there are if you go to karm There are at least 20 books referenced in the Bible that are not in

the Bible.

They're referenced but not in the Bible just because somebody is quoted doesn't mean that that

Original person or individual or book is inspired in and of itself.

All right, let's get to Joe from Ontario, Canada.

Hey, Joe.

How are you?

I'm doing well.

Thank you.

How are you doing?

All right, but God's grace.

What's up?

About two months ago, I had a bit of a problem with my Bible study group

and The we had a substitute teacher instead of my my

regular reverend and the topic became fear and the fear in the world

today, but the teacher chose to use an example of Of the

your election of Dr. Donald Trump recently and that's okay

from from a starting point, but the problem became that She or he would not

let up.

It went on for about 15 minutes Constantly talking about her problem or his problem with

hurt the choice with Donald Trump and I walked out.

And ever since I've had family from there am I I've had my spiritual family Chastised

me for walking out.

So my question is what's wrong with walking out?

You don't like it.

You don't to stay there.

Yeah, well, they don't like me walking out so my question is

If there is anything in the Bible that supports bringing up political views or Caesar.

Well, yeah, Jesus mentions giving to Caesar that which is Caesar.

Paying the taxes and things like that and in Romans 13 it talks about submitting to the authorities there the

governing authorities.

Yeah, we're definitely.

To have a positive relationship with the governments around us that are established by God.

We're to follow and obey them unless they different unless they go against Scripture.

Now, I know I've been to Canada.

I know what it's like and great people there and here in America.

There's this mistake called separation of church and state which is not in the Constitution Bill of Rights or the

Declaration of Independence.

But it has been used as a hammer to drive Christianity out of our culture and.

In my opinion, I think that every single pastor should be involved in studying politics.

To some degree and when it's appropriate to make political statements from the pulpit.

But in a generic sense, we should not support candidates who are pro -abortion or pro -homosexual.

We should not support Marxism and things like that.

These are Counter -scriptural we should not support segregation.

Because that's unbiblical as well, you know, like like color differentiation and we should not have open borders.

We should uphold the laws and you know help people who want to come into the country legally.

Just do it according to the laws, which is what the Bible says according to laws.

That's what it says so.

Even if it was Hillary or even if she was talking about my prime minister or Trudeau.

Right, I don't need to hear it for 15 minutes without any reference to the Bible or scripture or what Jesus says

to Show that he overcame fear.

So, you know right to walk over.

Well, he's um, Trump's a much better president than Obama.

She's you sound like your friends a leftist and And stuff and hates Trump.

I didn't vote for Trump, but.

Our government's in a lot of trouble and our cultures are a lot of trouble and Trump the reason he got in is

because Americans are sick and tired of what's happening.

There's there's people are tired here of the bureaucracy the leftist leanings the

liberal crap.

That's always shoved down our throats.

We're tired of it.

And when Trump came in the reason he made it is because so many Americans are sick and tired of the leftist agenda.

That's constantly being shoved down our throats on TV and magazines and movies.

I mean, I have you've ever seen the series 24.

My wife and I watched that years ago.

We thought it was great.

We just started watching the new series and they got homosexual stuff in there and Muslims are great.

And it's like I'm so Tired of that.

Was that keep her.

Keep her fellow.

Wouldn't keep her fellow when was a Was.

The story was just about you know, protecting family and co -workers, right?

And looking for the evidence to prove that somebody's conspiring to kill.

Right.

And now, you know, you get the politically correct promo homosexuals of relationships going and that's okay.

And the Muslim Issue and you know it they have the most.

My wife and are watching we decided.

So I have no problem talking.

I have no problem talking to brothers and sisters Outside of the pulpit of about

politics or whatever the problem it might be but When somebody when a pastor a

reverend or a preacher or whatever opens up, you know saying well, you know I feel we need to talk about fear that is

in the world and then proceeds to not talk about Only the fear and not about the Bible and the

scriptures.

Yeah, I.

Can't help but feel cornered.

Yeah, it's an agenda that's being shoved down your throat and I agree now.

If I were preaching if I were a pastor again and politics was there I'd say folks look Biblically speaking you shouldn't be voting for

people who are poor pro -abortion who want to kill babies.

You shouldn't be voting for people who are pro -homosexual.

It's against the decrees of God.

You shouldn't be Voting for people like that.

You shouldn't and if they get offended let get offended.

But they Christians don't have any business doing that just like Christians should not have a a alcoholics anonymous in their

churches.

It's it's all cult -based.

And it's it's you know, yeah sure it gets people to stop drinking but it teaches a false God a false gospel.

It shouldn't be in a church.

So people are so used to liberalism in so many ways that when the bright light of truth

comes on them.

They're it's it's a glare and they put up their hands to block it and they don't like it they want to be out of that light and

We Christians are going to start standing up and start speaking the truth.

You know, it's gonna happen and your country as well as mine.

Oh.

Yeah, well, we're right now.

We're dealing with a bill that is soon trying to become a law that's a

actually Contradicting a current law we already have against hate crime.

But this new law is going to be trying to be pushed in it's called the right now.

It's a bill called m103.

And they're calling it the anti Islamized anti -islamic Islamic law.

Where you cannot say anything against Islam or Muslims or any sort of.

But they're of course there but they immediately try to push the detail about it

saying well, it's against all any the.

The discrimination against any religion and most of us are looking at like so why are you putting Islam

on the title of it?

Right, so there's a lot of people are starting to protest about that, but we have a truth our

Prime Minister Trudeau and his cabinet are Ignoring the public and they just do whatever they

please.

So.

Yeah, you guys.

Yeah, so if I were to talk to you right now in Canada, you know in quoting, you know

a bloody state of the Quran.

Apparently if this law passed I could be I could have my door bashed down and be arrested tomorrow.

If the law yeah, well That's exactly correct.

It's moving towards that here.

You're not allowed to criticize Islam or homosexuality, but both homosexuality

homosexuals and Islam could criticize Christians.

That's how it's going.

Now think about it, you know.

The quick analogy is you have fossils in the ground you propose a theory the theory seems to fit the evidence.

So the theory is accepted.

Well.

What would be the theory behind the systematic dismantling

of righteousness and the persecution of Christians.

In your country my country it would seem to me that there's an agenda a political

social agenda That's pushing things in a certain direction.

Islam is extremely Dangerous and all of the statistical evidence

points to its danger.

Just look at what's happened in Sweden in Norway Denmark with the immigrants coming in there from

Islamic countries.

Crime rate soar rape soars.

It's a fact and I've got documentation on the website but the liberal agenda

is Is I think liberalism is a mental disorder.

I really do.

I think it needs to be examined and It's a disorder something's wrong with these people,

but the media in your country my country Selectively decides what kind of things are

going to be taught.

Like I said in this movie or in the series did new in 24.

They said Oh Islam is a religion of peace.

It is not a religion of peace.

The Quran does not teach that.

It teaches killing it teaches beheading.

It teaches crucifixion of people who don't agree.

That's what it teaches people where I've actually been telling people that The peace that they

preach is only peace towards those who believe in the law and Mohammed.

It's right under Sharia, which is oppressive.

It's an evil religion.

I will debate any Muslim on it I will debate any Muslim and I'll quote the Hadith and I'll quote the Quran

and we'll go through abrogation and They know when I just now said if anybody's listening, they know I'm right

and no one will debate me on is Islam a religion of peace because they know They

know I'm right.

It will never happen and Islam is not a religion of peace.

Why is it that the people in our country in your country these officials want it promoted?

You know what's happening in California.

They actually had a case where in the schools.

That you had Islam week.

I need to dress like Muslims and Recite from the Quran.

Yeah, I heard about that.

Yeah, I heard about that.

Let's have Christian week.

Of course, we can't have that.

They're also giving the kids quizzes to fill out to test how much they know about.

Islamic history in the Quran.

I know it's it's insane.

Our country's being undermined.

It's the only way to make sense of all the facts is to say that there must be a direct

Conspiracy to do this and there's an agenda and it's being systematically implemented

through the media and social structures and education.

That's what it has to be.

It makes sense.

There's the evidence.

Here's the theory that supports it.

Anyway, we got to get going about 30 seconds in the show.

Okay.

All right, hey man, I love that call, ah.

Look folks Islam is not a religion of peace.

It is not go to my website go to karm.

Look up Islam violence Statistics go look it up.

You'd be surprised what the Muslims themselves say about Isis and al -qaeda and they say

that Isis represents Islam accurately these Muslim countries.

That's what they say.

Hey folks, it's a Friday.

I'm out of here.

May the Lord bless you.

Have a great week if you can and by his grace, we'll be on the air again Monday back in the studio.

We'll talk to you then.

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