May 24, 2018 Show with Michael Anthony on “A Call for Courage: Living with Power, Truth & Love in an Age of Intolerance & Fear”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 24th day of May 2018. I am so delighted to have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio someone who was recently recommended to me by Gregory Wrightstone.

You may remember his recent interview on his book, Inconvenient Facts, the science that Al Gore doesn't want you to know. Well, Greg, immediately after our interview, very enthusiastically and urgently recommended that I contact Michael Anthony, who is our guest today.

He's a popular blogger, a speaker, and founder of the National Week of Repentance, and he's the pastor at Grace Fellowship of York, Pennsylvania, and host of the God Factor radio broadcast. Today we are going to be addressing his book, A Call for Courage, Living with Power, Truth, and Love in an Age of Intolerance and Fear, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Michael Anthony.

Chris, it's a great honor to be on your program. You have a great program. You're doing a great job, and it's something that's just a real honor. Hello to all your listeners.

Well, I appreciate that very much, and I'll give our listeners right away our email address if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Michael Anthony of your own. Our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

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Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And before we go into your personal testimony of salvation, Michael, as we typically do when we have a first-time guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, why don't you let our listeners know something about Grace Fellowship of York, Pennsylvania?

Yeah, Grace Fellowship in York, it's off of Seven Valleys Road. It's probably, Chris, the most common name for any church, Grace Fellowship. But our website is the website. Down in Texas, our church is maybe about a thousand or so.

A little chapel, huh?

Yeah, and I love being here. I love feeding the sheep God's Word and doing it in a way, whether it's here at the church or anything I try to produce, I do it in a way that speaks to the issues of the day.

Great. Well, I am delighted to have you on the program, and I take very seriously strong recommendations of people that I highly value. And so I'm glad that Brother Wrightstone highly recommended you to be on the program.

And also, I want to make sure that you give my greetings to Bill Chennai, who I know is a member there for the—or who is the owner and founder of Academy for Media Production, AMP.

Yes, he does a great job.

Yeah, and if you could extend my invitation to him, I would appreciate that very much.

Sure thing.

To also tell our listeners who may be unfamiliar with your radio broadcast, Godfactor, tell us something about that.

Yeah, it's my straightforward expository Bible teaching. So if people like deep Bible teaching, they can listen to the Godfactor radio broadcast. Or, you know, they can also get it if they go to CourageMatters .com or they download the free Courage Matters app.

But my—whether it's on the radio program or a podcast or even in my blog, I'm always looking for ways to stay true to the Word of God, ever-changing situations that we face so that people know, here's what's next for me in my spiritual journey.

Now that I know what the to do in response. That's what it's all about.

CourageMatters .com, that's also where you blog, am I right?

Yeah, I blog and my media appearances are there. I write for a multiplicity of outlets.

Great. Well, before we go into our main theme today, A Call for Courage, which is also the title of your book, as I mentioned, I want you, as I typically do with our first-time guests, to give a summary of your salvation testimony, the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, and what the providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord used in your life to draw you to himself and save you.

Sure. Well, I'd be a pastor.

Yeah, exactly. My brother, my oldest brother, John, went to a private high school specifically for young men desiring to enter into the priesthood, but they kicked him out because he started dating girls and wouldn't stop.

Sure. That was the time I got off the phone. I had a lot of sense. And he helped me understand. He shared with me through the over a period of days. Finally, he said, you know enough, you need to go home and realize you don't understand anything about the disciple, the law attorney.

When I got to Rutgers University at Rutgers College in New Brunswick, New Jersey, when I got to the third floor of the Tinsley Dormitory, and my floor advisor was a guy who had transferred from another college and ended up being my floor advisor.

He was a believer, and it was my older brother. Yeah, my plans were for surrender to Jesus in terms of discipleship, and it was the sovereign hand of God that was protected. Freshman year, my sophomore years of college were up and down.

Finally, God began to get ahold of me more, and I began to understand. Then sophomore year, I woke up one day without the desire to be a criminal trial attorney, and I just thought, well, I'll use some of the same things that I would use to be a criminal trial attorney for ministry.

And that's when I began to get an inkling of serving the Lord in ministry, even though it didn't happen for a number of years.

Well, praise God. In fact, I've got to get into your hands a biography that I think that you will love, because there is some mirroring with your testimony. It's called A Pastor in New York, The Life and Times of Spencer Cohn, who in the 1800s was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Manhattan, and he was a theater actor.

He was a lawyer. He was a teacher. He was a war hero in the War of 1812, and he finally became a pastor. But it's interesting how in regard to the vocations he was pursuing, acting, stage acting, of course, back then there was no film.

And then, of course, teaching and being an attorney. And then the Lord threw him for a loop, and he became a pastor. And it's quite a remarkable biography. I've got to get you a copy of it. Well, now we are going to discuss this book that has a very intriguing title and theme, A Call for Courage, Living with Power, Truth, and Love in an Age of Intolerance and Fear.

And we who are Christians, we sit back, we watch what's going on in the media, and some of us are personally experiencing things that many of us never dreamed would ever be happening in the land of the free, in the home of the brave.

You have people losing their livelihoods just because they are sticking to their Christian convictions, not to promote or celebrate things like homosexuality, and there are all kinds of things that are going on.

What was the catalyst that.

Basically drove you to write this book? During the 2006, during that whole process, my wife and I said... I like that. I really like that a lot, actually. Yeah, and I'm grateful that Thomas Nelson believed.

So right around that time, the idea was, I was going to write a book proposal. I was going to learn how to write a book, ample chapters. I was going to then get a literary agent and then have the agent find me a publisher, because these days, without an agent, it's very difficult to get published by a reputable author.

Well, then about a week or two later, and I talk about this in the introduction to A Call for Courage, I got an unsolicited email from a literary agency saying, hey, we saw your interview on CNN and been listening to you, watching your stuff, reading your stuff.

We're just wondering, have you ever thought about writing a book? I got it on the day, and I began to read this email. I was at home, realized that it was a legitimate email. My wife was there. My boys were there.

I said, everybody, you need to sit down. I need to read this to you. And we began to, because we knew that God was doing Skype interview next week. The following week or two, banged out the first draft, came back, gave it to my literary agent.

She said, when did you write this? I said, last week. She said, what do you mean last week? I said, I wrote it last week. I told you I was going to a cabin. She said, you wrote in six months to a year to write.

Wow. I said, well, you know, I just felt compelled. And there were times in that cabin, Chris, when I was stiff, my elbows, my fingers, my knees, because I was glued to my chair, banging away on my mind.

The reason why, simply talking about the bad condition and the wrong direction that the, if I can be very honest, could be said of many of my, who were only talking about the bad was right. That lives up to the time.

Well, you basically are giving a call to.

Your readers to develop secret weapons that God has given us for courage. And you lay them out. If you could please give us some examples of what you're talking about. Right. Secret weapons.

Hidden in plain sight. That's one that I help the readers. Not one. You're going to change the world who knew the Old Testament inside and out would be part of that plan. Now we know the apostle Paul later on gets drafted, right?

And writes as no other single New Testament author writes the majority of the books in the New Testament in comparison. I think it'd be sad and sidestep the 12 apostles. And I think that's a great reminder for us today.

Bible knowledge. What I talk about in the book, a revolution of courageous humility. It's the application of the Bible. You know, and that's one of the great needs of the day in the evangelical community is for us not to be content with simply knowing the Bible, but knowing God to such a degree, as a result, actually walking in a lifestyle of repentance.

So in secret, trying to help people understand the practicality of what courageous humility looks like. I just laid out for people and say, listen, these are things that are already at your disposal that you probably have belittled or overlooked.

But if you stop overlooking them, and you rediscover them, or perhaps your revolution will be on underway. It'll change your business. It'll change your church. And you know.

What? It'll actually change the nation. Yes. Well, a lot of times, Christians act just like the world when they think that our political heroes are going to change our nation. They think perhaps that just their political activism itself is sufficient to change a nation.

But transformed.

Hearts and minds is really what is required for a nation to be changed. Absolutely. Being something that we shy back from that. Right. In fact, we've got to get involved in every aspect. In fact,.

What you are describing, in reality, unbeknownst to most people, it seems, what you are describing is a separation of church and state. Because Thomas Jefferson, who came up with the phrase or the concept was really trying to appease Baptists, that America was not going to establish a religion that would rob people of their religious freedom.

And people who are constantly chiming with the mantra separation of church and state, they are actually violating that principle, because they want the state to interfere with people's private religious faith and so on.

Personal religious faith, I should say, because nobody's faith should be private. If it's private, then it's not worth anything. Right. It's not real faith. As.

Jesus said, if your salt loses its association, people need to understand that it's not a declaration of rights, separation of church and state. The only thing that's in the Constitution is that we will not establish a religion.

Exactly. In America, they wanted to ensure that they're not a democracy, we're a democratic republic. The phrase used to be, these United States of America. Redress of greed. Amen. And we have already some listeners waiting.

To have their questions asked and answered. Oh, that's great. We have Gordy in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who says, what would you say is a bigger impediment in the church to defending truth, fear of confrontation generally, or fear of confrontation due to lack of preparedness?

Or is it the worse yet problem of apathy? I'm really glad that. Yeah, take it even deeper and higher. Oh, of course. I don't think it's either of those. I think that it is fear of self read the God. Amen.

Amen. Stop preaching and teaching about his name. And they said, we must obey God rather than man or Bibles, and we will please the people we're supposed to please. And those people that we don't please, as a result of being faithful to God, doesn't matter, doesn't matter about the opinions of people.

Well, I want you when we're going to our first station break right now, actually, Michael, and I want you to listen to the words of the first advertisement, because it says if the it's as if the pastor who is speaking in this ad promoting Providence Baptist Church in Norfolk, Massachusetts, it's as if you two collaborated on the script for his ad.

I'm not familiar with this. I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say.

And if anybody else would like to join us on the air, by the way, Gordy, I forgot to mention to you, you have won a free copy of a call for courage, living with power, truth and love in an age of intolerance and fear by our guest, Michael Anthony, host of the God Factor radio broadcast.

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And Michael, we have a listener in Slovenia named Joe. Hi, Joe. And Joe says, thanks be to God for the courage he gives you to lead his people in these trying times. Please speak about how we should be prepared to address those within the church who are aggressively pushing the Marxist based agendas of multiculturalism, critical race theory, and egalitarianism.

The church today is facing pressures to adopt ethnic metrics and affirmative action formulas to achieve racial and gender diversity in membership and leadership regardless of sound biblical doctrine. What should.

We do and not do in the debate over these issues? Wow, fantastic. You understand or the motive of glorifying people's lives and making them subservient to the new. Marxism is nothing other than making the government God.

About what's happening in the United States of America when you have a well-intentioned but it's also incompatible with biblical teaching because it makes the government, it puts the government in a role that no government should have.

To your question, Joe, about the Marxist agenda and how do you deal with that in regard to people in the church embracing it, I think the cure for false teaching is always good teaching, healthy solid teaching, and that's always a byproduct of understanding what the Bible says and understanding and knowing how to teach the Bible to people who are misguided.

And so it's really important to have a steady diet of God's Word to be able to show people where they're in error and our standard for measuring people's behavior and their philosophies needs not to be the outward appearance but it needs to be their inner heart to make sure that their hearts are in the right place and wanting to glorify God should always be a concerning thing when anybody, whether in the government as a solution to people's problems.

There's never been a government on earth in history that has come in and been sufficient at least one occasion. There's never a government. So it does require courage and by the way courage is a byproduct of spending time with Jesus and his Word.

Come down to people knowing what the Bible teaches and rightly dividing the Word so that they can teach it, practice it, and model it to other people. It's always a dangerous thing when you try to fill quotas first and you don't vet the people in terms of their philosophy.

What word are they all about? What's the end objective here? If you judge people based on the outward appearance there's a whole lot in terms of what really matters that you're overlooking. So I think it's a great question that you ask and the solution to it is to make sure you know what the Bible is.

Make sure that you can patiently, calmly, courageously help those who oppose you. You must gently instruct with the hope that God will grant that. So spending real time with Jesus and his Word, adapting and adjusting your life to his Word, and then taking on the day-by-day grind because it is a long obedience in the same direction of helping people understand that the teachings that are presented in the Bible are beautiful.

They're not to be adulterated and that no government can take the place of God. Whenever that happens it's a great question.

Amen. Thank you Joe in Slovenia and thank you also for giving us an address here in the United States where we can mail the book that you just won to your daughter in Georgia. That's A Call for Courage, Living with Power, Truth, and Love in an Age of Intolerance and Fear by our guest Michael Anthony and we want to thank the folks at Nelson Books for providing these free copies that we're giving away.

And thanks for the great question and keep spreading the word about Iron Trump and Zion Radio in Slovenia and beyond. Yeah you know as you probably know you will have socialists like Michael Moore and others, even liberals that would deny the the label socialist.

In fact I have a feeling you would agree with me that most people at least in the media who identify themselves as liberal are not really liberal they're leftists they're leftist totalitarians. Right.

Because liberal used to have the idea that we should all have an equal voice in the public square. These people want this crush and silence those that disagree with them just like the leftist totalitarians.

But these people will often use Acts chapter 2 verse 45 in reference to the disciples that they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all as anyone might have need. But the interesting thing is that in order for this to be a a Christian work or a Christian act of grace, mercy, hospitality, and benevolence it has to be voluntary.

I have heard it said that one of the key things that drives socialism and communism obviously is coveting your neighbor's goods and also thou shalt not steal. Those are the two the commandments that are being violated by the socialist marxist and communist mindset.

Right. Well let's talk about that a little bit okay. I.

Do this in the problem we're talking about political issues when they're really theological issues that are disguised as political issues all right. When politicians become theologians we within the church have a moral spiritual obligation and the calling of God to stand up and speak biblical model based on what you just said then capitalism here's a couple things that I would say and then I'm going to bring a scripture into this that socialists and communists conveniently leave out when they practice time bible reading society.

When you read the bible if you were to read the bible at night lights off sunglasses on and one eye closed you can and you come up with reinventing Jesus reinventing God in your own image and that's what's happening here with the the idea of socialism replacing capitalism as if it's a more biblical model.

Neither of them in and of itself is a more biblical model. Here's the idea well if we share our possessions and distribute the wealth redistribute the wealth that's a more biblical model. Here's the problem you want to give money to people who are poor and outcasts and everything that's a beautiful thing that's a biblical intention.

The question now becomes what's the most efficient way to do that to give it to a government agency where you're going to get pennies on the dollar or to do it yourself directly to a charitable organization whether it's through a church or a charitable organization that is much more efficient than the government.

That should be a no-brainer number one. Number two these guys were talking about the top one percent they're in the top one percent they've made the government through more and more government control the one percent entity that they're railing against so it's completely hypocritical.

And number three here's the scripture that everybody in the nighttime bible reading society keeps forgetting when it comes to saying that socialism is the better brand political form the better the better form of government when it comes to being a biblical model.

Listen capitalism at least gives you the opportunity to take your money into selflessly willingly not under compulsion with a better bang for the buck give your money to anybody you want to without knowing without being confused about where it's going you can do that yourself all right free will but here's the verse of scripture even when we were now not eat apostle paul who says listen a person should work for their food.

This idea of giving free handouts is actually unbiblical and unchristian free handouts go to widows and orphans and those who cannot make a living for themselves. That's one thing and it happens not through the institution of the government but through the institution of the church.

Huge difference and interestingly enough it's these same people who are who promote marxism and socialism who are against theocracy but what they're actually doing is reinventing theocracy through the brand of socialism and marxism.

That's right. Yeah so see i'm not afraid to speak about those issues and many people are probably listening right now and saying boy i wish i could say that. Well now you can now you know how to say it.

And then in my book i go into much more detail about that to show people how to stand up and speak out in the sit down shut up world because if you don't do it and nobody else does it before you know we're going to be looking at a full-on socialist if not marxist united states of america we're going to be the united states only in name not.

In practice by the way i don't want to insult thomas nelson or nelson books but i actually like your first title better. I hope that you make use of it in some way in a future book.

We we do have a uh a free download. And um let's see here. Uh we have rj in white plains new york.

Who says isn't it ironic that those in the church that would actually share many of our conservative biblical convictions on matters of doctrine and theology and our view of the inerrancy of scripture are actually borrowing tactics from the left.

When it comes to race they are responding with a racism of their own to the sin of racism by making all whites guilty of the sin of racism and excluding those of darker skin colors from having the possibility of being guilty of that sin.

Isn't this just another form of racism. Yeah i would say it is. Yeah. It's clearly uh. And it's just as insane as white racism. Racism is racism uh to sin.

It's a sin and it's a serious sin. Right. Right. Probably because they didn't all look like white bread that's right dark something that goes away that's right. That's that's a very interesting uh.

Point. And um the the idea that this has been brought up before in fact it's brought up constantly in the media uh but the idea that a person cannot be guilty of the sin of racism and by the way i know that you would agree with me that that word racism we there is only one race it's the human race right.

And so we just use it because it's a part of the the common uh language of our day and it has been for centuries but but what we mean by that is just the different way people look you know their facial features and skin color and so on.

But uh the idea that you cannot be guilty of bigotry if you are a member of a people group that has been persecuted and does not have power and authority that's absolutely absurd. Because in the new testament the place where racism is a sin is more clearly highlighted is the racism that was practiced and believed by the jewish christians right who were not even eating with their gentile brethren.

And yet these these jewish christians knew full well that they were a persecuted and enslaved and tormented and slaughtered minority going all the way back until they came from the loins of abraham. And still they did not have the uh privilege if you want to call it that of being racist or or harboring ill will towards their gentile brethren even though the gentiles were.

The oppressors. Right. Exactly. And going back to the old testament that you have people do not mistreat your foreigners. Right. History has been persecuted in the past doesn't mean that you are automatically a racist and cannot empathize with people.

You might not be able to experience from firsthand knowledge what racism feels like but that doesn't mean that you're racist just because you didn't experience it. Right. That kind of talk doesn't get us anywhere it doesn't bring us it doesn't bring anybody together it just keeps us polarized.

There's a lot of polarization right now in this country that is due to people's lack of humility. Yeah well.

You just brought up a uh major theme in your book. That is quite uh an interesting phrase. It is something that appears on the surface to be oxymoronic uh. But it is courageous humility. Courageous humility if you could.

Right. If you could further unpack that. Yes i refer to it in.

A call for courage as either humble courage or courageous humility. In fact every chapter the end of every chapter there's a summary you know bullet points this chapter in a nutshell. And it it shows you as a result of just reading that chapter what courageous humility looks like in light of what you just read.

Here's what it would look like in your life. Here's some action steps. And that's really a byproduct. You know the courageous humility or humble courage that those seemingly juxtaposed words humility and courage the the reason why that's become so important in my own life and my own ministry and my writing and everything that i try to do speak teach write praise the people in the bible.

I wanted to find out what's the when god uses somebody consistent as a one-off right one and done. You think about. What i wanted to do is i think when you read the bible consistently what are some of the character traits that they have.

Well first of all we all know that it's god gets a hold of know the ways of god you become like the people you spend time with. And the more time you spend with god you realize that he's most courageously humble being that take my yoke upon.

You learn from me for i'm humble. This is the same jesus who overturned the tables of the money changers. Same jesus who called the leaders the teachers of the law whitewashed tombs full full filled with dead men's bones.

The woman at jacob's. Well so we see no more humble and more courageous than jesus. In fact let's pick up. Truly starts to become humble and truly becomes increased. You cannot have biblical amen. Let's pick up where you left off there when we go after we.

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