Miracles, Signs, Wonders, and the Trinity with Justin Peters

Let's try it one more time.

Good evening.

We are live and this is not Andrew Rappaport.

This is a pastor Justin Pierce.

I must have hit the wrong video clip to intro and

just me and a few people we know here tonight wanna really welcome everybody to come in.

Hope you're ready to have a really good conversation.

Justin's gonna be in about 10 minutes or so.

He's running a few minutes behind.

He was power lifting or something.

I don't know what he's been doing.

So he's not here.

Andrew's not here either.

Just kind of give a quick update.

He went back down to Florida.

He went back down to see his mother and praise God.

He got a opportunity to witness to her.

She actually let him share the gospel with her.

And we're just praying that God will have his will in her life and that God

will be gracious in saving her soul.

And if you'd pray for that, that'd be wonderful.

We've had, let's see, I got brother Josiah back in the back.

I'm gonna pull him up here, brother.

How are you doing?

Better than I deserve.

That's the common phrase I keep hearing you say all the time too.

It's better than I deserve.

Well, it's because I'm a horrible sinner who has broken all of God's laws and

God graciously sent his son, the Lord Jesus Christ, fully God, fully man to die on a cross, pay the

penalty for my sin.

And because I've repented and trusted in him, I'm forgiven.

All my sins are washed away by his grace.

Amen, that's right, without a doubt.

So we have Justin gonna be in here in just a few minutes, but before we have Justin come in,

I've got something kind of funny to share with you.

And so for everybody, you need to watch this.

I think you'll enjoy it.

Let's see, let's pull this up here.

So this is an Instagram account from Beth Moore.

She says, brace yourselves.

Today, I was having lunch with some staff and I told them someone had just

asked if I had any pictures from any aerobics teaching days.

And I lamented that I couldn't find one.

We didn't have cell phones and the like at that time and nobody thought to bring a

camera.

It was a workout, not a photo op.

The moment I was, I said it, my coworker Sabrina replied, I've got a video.

And so she plays it.

So just kind of give you what's going on here for the audio portion.

For those that are handicapped with the video portion.

So here you go.

She says, you gotta be kidding me.

And she plays it and she says she nearly can't stop laughing because apparently she taught

five classes a week at the Houston's First Baptist Church.

And let's see, this is for your, she put it out there and said, everybody it's

funny and for enjoyment.

So this is Beth Moore.

And only thing I could do is think flash dance or something like that.

I just like, okay, that's all I can

think of.

I just, I don't know what to think of.

Anyway, so that's your entertainment for tonight.

That was something else.

I couldn't believe I, actually you won't believe who sent that to me.

Who sent that to you?

Justin Pierce.

He said, it was like, you've got to see this.

Wow.

I'm surprised she didn't delete it.

Oh yeah.

I mean, no, she put it out there but she's very proud of that though.

You got to think she's extremely proud of the, you know, Chris,

Chris Honnold's.

He says, I'm pretty sure I'd throw a hip out trying those moves.

She looks like she's in her twenties or something.

Yeah.

Yeah, definitely much younger.

But you know, you think about it.

That's when you have that type of Christianity in the church and I'm

not saying anything wrong with, you know, exercising by any means but when you have the type of Christianity in the church that's part of

your, you know, your activity.

You know, I was teaching this as part of the classes the yoga classes and all these others.

Ah, there's a brother.

I'll bring brother Justin in.

Hey brother, how you doing?

Hey guys, doing well.

How are y 'all?

Doing good.

Looks like you made it here.

I made it.

Yeah, I made it.

So I just played the video.

Do you want to see it again?

Sure.

The video?

Yeah.

Okay.

I just, I just played it.

So let's see.

I got to pull it back up.

All right.

Give me just a second.

So this was the, the Beth Moore video.

I'm going to let you, let you pull some comment on it.

Oh man.

I'm thinking the only thing I can think of is splash dance.

I just like, maybe, maybe Kevin Bacon.

There you go.

Yeah.

I mean, what do you say that?

That's not even something that people had to go digging for.

She put that up herself.

Yeah.

She put that out there.

Yeah.

I thought that was.

She's narcissistic in the extreme.

Okay.

In the extreme.

Joanne says that looks like a rain dance.

Yeah.

Oh man.

Well, you know, and you think about it though, we, Joe Siner, we're just saying, she said that she

taught those classes five days a week at a Baptist church in Houston.

I just, you know, I mean, we have churches all over the place where Christians are teaching yoga.

They're teaching, you know, all kinds of different things, but there's not much gospel.

There's not much, you know, doctrine or theology in there.

It's, you know, and Beth Moore is prime example of that.

So.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, totally.

I tell people Beth Moore has never been, she's never been sound, but

her teaching was, let's say less bad 20 years ago than what it is now.

She's gotten progressively worse.

I mean, she's going the exact opposite direction that you would expect a biblically qualified

Bible teacher to be going.

I mean, I hope that the Lord allows me to live another 10, 20 years.

I would hope that 10, 20 years from now, my teaching will be better than it is today.

Yeah.

And that's what you would expect just from accumulated understanding of scripture.

That's what you would expect, but hers, she's going the wrong direction.

She's getting progressively worse.

Yeah, I totally agree.

You know, and that's one thing I was thinking is that as she's gotten older,

she has worked harder to find

herself in the word of God than she has trying to find God in the word.

Oh yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's what I, I mean, I don't know what you think about that, but it's just like, I was thinking everywhere

she sees her doctrine, her theology, what she believes, you know, steeped in the word

of God.

And I think that's terrifying.

If y 'all, do y 'all remember the tweet she had, this was a few years ago, but about Noah, what she said about Noah?

Oh my word.

Talk amongst yourselves while I try to pull this out, Google it real quick.

Oh, please find it.

Yes, please do.

And see if I can pull this out.

I thought you were going to bring up the thing that she said about, there's this one

pastor saying, women, keep your body parts to yourselves and to your husbands.

And she's saying, we don't want to hear about your unders.

And then the what guy, he posted a video from her saying,

don't be a mean girl and keep yourself for your husband.

Well, and think about,.

Oh, Priscilla Shrier has commented on this Instagram thing,

but think about this.

She was talking about, I wore leotards and tights and shorts.

So I figure I must have either been guest teaching somewhere or leading a seminar.

And needed to go that, that takes some extra steps for modesty's sake.

So that's what's in this Instagram.

Was this part of the seminar that she was teaching?

Is that the way I'm understanding this?

And it's like, well, okay.

Maybe she needed the extra money or having something like that.

I don't know.

But she's talking about for modesty's sake.

Well, wait a minute.

It's okay for her to talk about modesty, but if anybody else does it, you need to keep your mouth shut.

How dare you mansplain and all that.

But that's what happens when you go woke.

That's what happens when you get into social justice is truth is not what's

important.

It's whoever is speaking.

They, and their life experiences and their cultural

identification or whatever, that's what matters.

Not the content, but who it is who's doing the speaking.

So, I mean, as you said, Beth Moore said the same thing as this pastor did.

His name escapes me right now, but she was saying the same thing 12, 13 years ago.

But when he says it, oh, he's a sexist, mind your own unders.

So, I mean, she is the epitome

of narcissism and hypocrisy.

She's a false teacher.

I have absolutely no hesitation whatsoever calling Beth Moore a false teacher.

Yeah, and I don't blame you there.

It's like when you're trying to have a discussion about Beth Moore, you have

nine times out of 10, somebody's going to be, how dare you say anything bad about Beth Moore?

I remember 14 or 20 years ago when she was this or she did that and you go, well, yeah.

14, 20 years, she's still bad.

Her theology and doctrine was still off, but it was harder to find, and that's

the truth of it.

I'm going to try to send this over to myself so I can let everybody see it.

Okay, yeah, I sent a text to that too to see if there's some way you can get it on the screen, but this is a -.

Yeah, give me just a second and then I can,.

That's one thing I like about Dropbox.

So, yeah, he's, let's see, I think I've got it sent to me.

So we have a full and wonderful show.

There it is, there it is.

We got a full and wonderful show.

We're going to really try to have -.

Is it just going to be the three of us tonight?

No Anthony or Andrew?

Well, Anthony's just, he's lost his mind and he just, no,

I'm just kidding.

I don't know where he's at.

He's in Florida.

I don't know where he's at.

So it's -.

He's at a church in Florida, I think teaching there.

Yeah, he's teaching there.

Okay.

Yeah, and Andrew actually went back down to Florida.

I don't know if you saw it or not, but he was able to share the gospel with his

mother, I guess this afternoon or something like that.

Oh, good, good.

So praise God for that.

Let me see, I actually pulled this up finally.

I told Andrew, even if his mother dies lost, he'll have the blessing of having

a clear conscience knowing that he's shared the gospel with her.

So yeah, so this is Beth Moore.

See, this was a few years ago, actually about five years ago, I think it was 2017.

But she says, we've got this Noah instinct.

This drive in us to build arcs and shut ourselves in with our own kind.

Then we shut ourselves further in with our phones.

Then we get claustrophobic, bored and wonder why.

Open a window and watch for a dove with an olive tree.

There's a life out there.

Okay.

What are you talking about?

That's what she gets from Noah?

Like, okay, so.

My eyes of Jesus radar is one off the charts.

Right?

I mean, it's like hitting the peg.

I mean.

Well, but think about it too though, when you're so self -centered that you would say that, that

you only see the naturalistic trimmings

of that passage.

You know what I'm saying?

I mean, yeah, okay.

There was trees.

There's an olive twig.

But what was it a sign of?

It was a sign that the judgment had come to an abatement and the whole world had died.

Right.

I mean, being in the arc, that was a good thing.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

If you had been living in this day and age, that's where you had wished you had been, was in the arc.

That was a good thing to be in the arc.

And she makes it out like it's a bad thing, having this Noah instinct and we build arcs and then we get

claustrophobic.

And I mean, you gotta be kidding me.

That, and see, that's why I say she's getting worse.

I mean, she's getting worse.

That is such a, that is loony tunes.

It takes far more effort to come up with an interpretation of a passage of scripture

that bizarre than it would to just read it and understand it

for what it is.

I mean, you've gotta work hard to get it that wrong.

Yeah.

You know, and that's the thing is if you think about it, it's not that hard

to look, and I'm not trying to simplify it to this point, but if you look at the

Bible, it's not that hard to look at the clear text of scripture.

You know, there's an old saying that it's so shallow, the theological

doctrinal issues are so shallow that a child can swim in it.

Yet there's so much debt to it that a theologian, you know, will never reach the bottom.

I may have messed up the exact quote, but think about this.

When you intentionally try to be shallow, you're basically slapping God in the face.

You're saying, God, I don't care what you say.

You know, to the authors, I don't care what you say.

The authorial intent doesn't matter.

Right. Right.

And I always spend my whole time in this book.

I was just about to do the same thing.

Josiah did not put me up to this.

I just, since we're talking about hermeneutics, I just like, this is a, there we go.

This is a handy little short little book too, but it's really, really good.

You know, kind of a quick reference, hermeneutical.

So anyway, go ahead, Josiah.

Oh, well, I appreciate you holding it up too.

But this booklet, it's about 20 some pages.

It's 20 pages.

And what it does is it gives you a well -reasoned argument for

interpreting the Bible as the authors intended it to.

You might notice this is me on the cover.

I was thinking of putting Joel Osteen on the cover because my opening illustration is a Joel Osteen Bible

study.

What you do is you sit in a chair, put a blindfold over your eyes, pretend what's in the Bible,

you're reading the Bible, and then go up on a platform that says, this is my Bible.

I am what it says I am.

I do what it says I do.

And then go off and never touch it again.

Oh, yeah.

Right.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah.

Then it gives the gospel at the end by exegeting John 3, 16.

Yeah, it's a good book.

It argues for it and it presents it in a very

clear, concise way.

OK, so here comes the big question.

Humble Clay says, where can we get your book?

It's available.

You can get it by.

Last time I checked with Andrew, he said if you buy anything from Striving for Eternity, you can

pretty you can you get the booklet with whatever you purchase.

So if you buy my first book, When My Ox Scores My Neighbor, using Hermetics Travel from Mount Sinai to Mount Zion,

which is also another short book that demonstrates how to use hermeneutics, then you can also

get the booklet.

What does it mean to me?

And I know, Justin Peters, you saw them when you go places.

And it's also available.

It's also available on Amazon .com.

And I don't really have the means to sell them personally, but I try to get it to where

you can get it.

Well, just to be clear, too, on Amazon, it's not like we're going to run out.

If you're not going to run out, they'll print them.

So guys, they're really good.

They're really good resources.

My wife just brought me a drink.

Isn't that so?

Oh, well, that's nice.

Such a good wife.

That's OK.

I was I was dying of thirst.

And I said, I said, I better get something to drink.

And I saw that you got that.

And I thought, huh?

Oh, you got Chick -fil -A.

I got me a Chick -fil -A drink.

I love their.

That's cold blooded to put Chick -fil -A in front of a man who lives in a state that nearest Chick -fil -A is like

seven hours away.

Well, I would I would drive you one, man.

I'll drive one to your house.

It's persecution.

Oh, man, that's somebody must really be mad at you for not having one around there.

Yeah, we got someone watching from Australia.

Oh, oh, yeah.

Yeah, Joe Kobe.

Kobe.

OK, yeah, let's pull him up.

Absolutely.

Joe, say hi.

Joe.

Hey, brother.

Thank you for tuning in.

Thank you for your kind words.

Absolutely.

Blessings to you and your family.

Absolutely.

That's wonderful.

Well, you're let's see, we're we're about 20 minutes in.

So let's let's go ahead and get started with a little bit of our discussion here.

I mean, this, you know, we have some things to talk about.

So so we we titled this I titled this today, Miracle Signs, Wonders and the Trinity.

And the reason that we did that is is we've had a lot of people coming in lately talking about,

you know, their son, the the signs that they have, the the spiritual gifts they have,

you know, speaking in tongues and all these other things.

And and one thing that I've, you know, in the seminar I've been studying a lot

of is the ministry of Jesus Christ.

OK, and not only his personal ministry, but his his ministry to his disciples and the ones around

him.

And there there are some issues when it comes to people making claims that they have,

you know, they have the ability to, you know, to, you know, God gives them revelation.

You know, Justin, you talk about it all the time.

God told me this.

God told me that.

So I want to talk about those things quickly about God told me.

What is what is this?

We're talking about divine revelation.

And I want to ask you this.

Can God give you a revelation of something, an event or

a prophecy or something that's to come without it being authoritative, without it being as authoritative as

the word of God itself?

It's interesting that you had kind of like the part B to that.

So my initial thought when you said, can God thought you're going to say, can God speak to us or can God

stop there?

I would say, well, yes, he can.

He does have the ability.

The question is, is, is he doing those things?

But since you said, can he give, I mean, some people may have heard me say God

could speak to me through a leprechaun in my refrigerator if he wanted to.

He has the ability, but I've got no reason to think he will.

And a lot of reasons to think that he won't.

But can God speak out loud?

What's that?

He's a donkey for crying out loud.

That's right.

That's right.

Made a donkey talk.

So he does have the ability.

But can God speak in such a way that it's not as authoritative as scripture?

Is that basically the question?

Yeah, yeah.

And because and as that as the premise, let's talk about that.

No, no.

No, because when God is speaking, God is speaking.

And whatever he says is authoritative.

Amen.

Whatever he says has just as much authority as any verse in scripture as John 3,

16, as Romans 10, 9 and 10 is, you know, whatever, whatever verse in scripture, when, when, when,

when God speaks, that's authority.

So he cannot speak less authoritatively on one occasion than he does on another.

He cannot do that.

Not that he won't do it.

He can't.

There are some things that God cannot do.

And speaking in a, like a, a, a second tier kind of

authoritative level is quasi authority.

He, he, he means it, but he, he just kind of means it, you know, it, it just, uh,

no, no, if God is speaking, God is speaking.

And whatever he says is absolutely authoritative.

So the way the question is worded, no, he cannot do that.

And that's why I worded it that way, because I'm not asking, can God, you know, make a rock that

he can't lift, right?

I'm not asking that.

What I want to make sure of is because there are people, even Beth Moore on a continuous

basis, every day I had a word from God.

I had a prophecy, you know, uh, you did, brother, I think I've seen everything you've ever done.

So I'm trying to remember you, you did this, you did a video about the, the

prophetesses and the prophets that have made all these predictions, just mundane

daily predictions.

And here's where we got to be careful.

Yeah.

Guys, I want to make this clear.

When people say I had a word from God or God said, or God told me, you have to

ask yourself, is it normative for God to reveal himself

through the, the prophetic use of the, his miraculous

prophetic use?

Is it normative for him to use, to do that?

Or is there a special reason?

And not just, not just God told me prophecy, but also divine miracles of healing and things

like that, because they're all interconnected and they all have a purpose.

They all have, every single one of them have a foundational purpose according to the scripture.

And we're going to talk about those things.

I want to get into those.

I, I, I started even in the, in the post acts two 22, I started because that's our foundational

starting point.

And we're going to old Testament, new Testament.

And I want to talk about these.

And I, I actually, I have some, some notes that I want to express, you know, and, and

have, have you guys bounce off of some of this, if you don't mind.

So, so what is a miracle?

And what is its purpose?

Maybe we'll just start there.

Justin, if you could give maybe a fly over, you know, 30

,000 foot view of what is a miracle, maybe we can talk about that just real quick.

Okay.

I want Josiah to come in here.

I don't want to, it just calls.

I'm known for this issue.

I don't want to be the only one, but okay.

So let me, let me fix it.

Hold on, hold on.

Okay.

Now we're good.

I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

Thank you.

Oh man.

First he insults me with Chick -fil -A.

Now he insults you Josiah.

Yeah.

I had to kick him both.

That's okay.

I can get him back.

He knows, he knows all about me so he can get me.

Okay.

So 30 ,000 foot view of what is, what is a miracle?

I'll start by saying miracle is a word that is way overused today.

Almost everything is a miracle.

And if everything is a miracle, then nothing is a miracle.

So you hear people say, Oh, there's a miracle that I, you know, ran into you today.

No, that's not a miracle.

It might be a kind providence of God, but it's not a miracle.

A miracle is when God does something that has absolutely no

naturalistic explanation.

That it, it defies, it transcends the laws of

physics that, you know, the natural order of things that God does something that has absolutely zero

natural explanation.

Yeah.

That's a miracle.

Parting the red sea is a miracle.

An ax head floating is a miracle.

A burning, a bush burning that is not consumed.

That's a miracle.

Those are physical miracles.

In fact, and I'll say, and this might surprise some people to hear me say this.

One of the most common misconceptions about me and my theology is that I believe that I don't believe that God heals people

today.

That's not true at all.

I do believe God heals people today.

In fact, just a few weeks ago, I was, I was preaching at a church in Virginia and I heard one of the more

incredible testimonies of a genuine miracle of healing

that I've ever heard.

I've heard a few that were really credible.

This one though, it was a, it was a first person kind of a primary source

thing.

But anyway, long story short, there's this couple in this church in Virginia

and they adopted a little baby boy and it was prearranged because the boy's mother

was strung out on meth and who knows what else, all kinds of stuff.

And the mother knew she couldn't take care of him.

So it had been prearranged that when this little boy is born, he will go to this couple in the church.

Well, because of all the drugs that his mother was on, he was born with a lot of health problems and he

had serious intestinal issues.

They knew that.

And so they did emergency surgery on the little guy.

I think like right after he was born and they went in there, opened him up and the doctor said that

his intestines were ribbons.

Just shredded.

I mean, there's, and there was so bad that there was nothing they could do for him.

And so they just sewed him up fully expecting him to die in a pretty

short amount of time.

So they just sewed him up and they gave him to the adoptive parents and didn't

have long to live.

And they were going to try to give him some intravenous, you know, a nourishment or

for a while anyway.

But after he came out of surgery and they brought him to his parents,

after a little while, I think later that day, he pooped.

Yeah.

Which is impossible.

Yeah.

And they called the nurse in, the nurse saw it, the nurse called the doctors in, the doctors were dumbfounded.

And then a few hours after that, he pooped again.

Yeah.

And so they did a test, a barium test.

You know, they give the, that I've had one before.

It's horrible.

They called it a milkshake when I was a kid.

Oh, drink this.

This is a milkshake.

Yeah, it's not a milkshake.

It was horrible.

But anyway, they gave him some of that and they followed it all the way through his digestive system, went

all the way through, lickity split, no leaks.

That's a miracle.

And I rejoice in that.

Yeah.

Recovering from a cold, recovering from COVID, you know, a slow

progressive recovery.

That's not a miracle.

That it's a kind providence of God because really everything is a providence of God.

So it's a kind providence of God, or maybe even slowly recovering from cancer,

whether it's through treatment or, you know, chemo diet, whatever, you know, if you, if you slowly

recover from cancer, that's a kind providence of God, but that's not a miracle.

What happened to this little guy was a miracle.

So there are miracles, I believe.

Absolutely.

100%.

And the greatest miracle of all is not even a physical miracle.

It's a spiritual miracle.

And that's the new birth.

Yeah.

Amen.

So I'm going to give some, I want to give you a couple of definitions.

A .H. Strong, in his theology, his book on theology,

page 118, he says that a miracle, and I'll post this up in a moment.

A miracle is an event in nature so extraordinary in itself, and so

coinciding with the prophecy or command of a religious teacher or leader

as fully to warrant the conviction on the part of those who witness it,

that God has wrought it with the design of certifying that this

teacher or leader has been commissioned by him.

Now, listen to the, listen to the, the way he's saying this.

Now we're talking, you know, biblical miracles.

Now, yes, Justin, I totally agree with you.

You know, those things do happen today, apart from any man.

Mm -hmm.

But in the biblical narrative, we see that the Bible tells us that God uses the

secondary means.

In other words, he uses men.

And one of the things that he does in his miracles and the working of his miracles,

Andrew says this, and I agree.

We see three times in history where miracles were normative.

And if you look in the time with Moses, they were normative and they were so shocking

that everybody had to see it, hear it, and submit to it, even if they hated the

messenger, even if they hated the message.

And that's why this is important, because what we're talking about is the sufficiency of scripture to

tell us what is going on in history and the miracles that took place.

Why were they given to us?

Not can, you know, Justin jump around and say, hey, look, or Josiah jump around and myself, you know,

oh, look, I've got a prophecy.

I've got a miracle.

You know, I can, you know, I can speak in tongues.

I can do, you know, what, heal your foot and make it one leg longer than the

other.

And I can, you know, I had a word from the Lord that I'm supposed to comb your hair and, you know, all this stuff.

Here's what a miracle looks like, according to scripture, OK, if,

if you were to go, and I'm jumping around just a little bit, if you go to Exodus chapter four, verses one through

nine, I'm going to read it to you.

It's a pretty lengthy section.

Exodus chapter four, verses one through nine, says this.

Then Moses said to God, what if they will not believe me

or listen to what I say?

For they may say the Lord has not appeared to you.

So there's going to be a pushback.

What if it happens?

The Lord said to him, what is that in your hand?

He said, a staff.

Then he said, throw it on the ground.

And he threw it on the ground and it became a serpent miracle.

And Moses fled from it because he was scared to death because it was a snake.

OK, Moses fled from it, but the Lord said to Moses, stretch out your hand and grasp it by the tail.

So he stretched his hand out and he caught it and it became a staff in his hand.

That they may believe that the Lord, the God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the

God of Isaac and the God of Jacob has appeared to you.

What was the purpose in the miracle?

So they believe Moses.

It was it was a process of vindication.

It was not vindicating the the miracle.

It was vindicating the miracle giver.

I mean, the message giver.

It was it was saying that this is how you know that this is a man of God.

This is not just any man of God, not not Justin, Josiah, Justin, not Andrew,

but the man of God speaking on God's behalf, revelatory truth.

And what was he saying to them?

Let my people go, Pharaoh, and you better submit, because if you don't, what's going to happen?

God will judge you.

More miracle, you know, and the miracle of the wrath of God.

It goes on and he says this.

So you don't believe those are natural disasters, Justin, the plagues, either, Justin?

What do you think, Justin?

Yeah, not so much.

No, I don't think the Red Sea was just a few inches deep.

And it was just yeah, millions of people.

But think about it.

Which one would have been more of a miracle?

That much water killing all those people.

Either way you go, it's a huge miracle anyway.

But, you know, it says the Lord further said to him, now put your hand into your bosom.

So he put his hand into his bosom and when he pulled it out, it was leprous like snow.

And they said, put your hand into your bosom again.

And he did it again.

And he says this, so he put his hand in his bosom again.

And when he took out his hand out of his bosom, behold, it was restored like the rest of his

flesh.

And God said this, if they will not believe or heed the witness of the first sign,

they may believe the witness of the last sign.

So the whole purpose is God vindicating his own authoritative

messenger.

Now, let's go see if we can make that a little bit clearer.

Like I said, I jumped a little bit.

I want to give you about four different purposes.

I'll let you guys jump in anytime you want to hear something.

I want to give you four.

This is from my professor, Doug Bookman, down at Shepherd's Theological Seminary.

I think he's probably the greatest teacher I've ever met.

I'm going to tell you, Dr. Bookman is phenomenal.

I love him to death.

I think he's amazing.

And he's taught me so much.

But I want you to listen to this.

He says a very important thing that you need to understand, a careful and precise

definition of a biblical miracle must be given.

He says you see it in three different times, in the time of Moses, in the time of Ezekiel, and in the time of Jesus

Christ and his ambassadors.

He says there's four things that must be understood about miracles.

And I'm going to share those right here.

Let me put this up.

Okay.

There we go.

I think we've got it up.

All right.

So let's pull these up.

A miracle must be non -counterfeitable.

In other words, the local heretic.

Think about Moses, for example.

He goes in, he starts doing these miracles.

And what happened?

Pharisees, little demonic horde come in.

And whatever they did, they did this to try to disprove his

authority.

But what needs to be understood is they were doing it by the power of Satan.

And they were able to counterfeit miracles in some way for a couple of them.

Right?

They were to counterfeit a few of them.

And so what was it that God was doing?

Not only was he proving the vindication of his man Moses, but he

was also destroying the power of Satan in his midst right there.

Because they eventually got to the point where they said, we can't counterfeit this.

When the frogs came, they said, we can't do that.

When the lice came, we can't do that.

When the boils came and it was all over and they were screaming at the Pharaoh, what?

Let them go.

Let them go.

We've got to get out of this.

Please let them go.

Yeah.

They tapped out.

They tapped out quick.

And think about it.

So four things that must happen.

A true miracle must be non -counterfeitable.

Now here today, what do you hear, guys?

What do you hear all the time?

God told me, you know, prophecy, you got a vision.

Justin, you deal with these prophets a lot.

What do they talk about, about weather and generalized health and all this other stuff?

You know, I've got to...

Oh, yeah.

I mean, like miracle money showing up in your bank account and oh, so -and -so got

healed or a metal plate, you know, disappeared and that kind of stuff.

Of course, none of these things are ever documented.

The only documentation of any miracles that you see are no miracles at all, like Todd

White going around out on the street, lengthening people's legs by about half an inch.

So, which is a parlor trick, just manipulating the angle of

the foot and the tilt of the foot and that kind of stuff.

So those are no miracles.

And I guys think when we're talking about miracles, divine miracles, true biblical miracles, miracles,

they have to be non -counterfeitable.

OK, Satan comes along.

He tries to mimic.

He sends his demons, the angels of light, counterfeit angels to come in.

You know, even, you know, Beth Moore and all these guys come in.

You know, I've got a vision.

Somebody told me this.

It's because we've made mundane things.

You said it, Justin.

We've made the mundane a miracle.

Oh, it was a miracle.

I got a parking spot.

No, it's not.

You know, Dr. Bookman said last week, you're driving down the interstate.

I love this.

I love this.

He says you're driving down the interstate and two semis get into a crash right dead in front of

you.

And they come right up on top of you.

They're just about to slam into you.

And next thing you know, you're 50 feet up in the air and an angel is slowly bringing you back down to the ground.

And you just land with a little bump.

He says, now you're getting close to approaching the concept of a miracle, but you're not even there yet.

He says, you're not even there yet.

He says, I wouldn't even call that a miracle because it has to be non -counterfeitable.

It must prove that God has vindicated his own messenger.

There's not a place in scripture where these where these miracles are being being done that are

not for purpose of vindicating the messenger.

I mean, you go look.

I know everybody screams and yells, well, what about Corinthians?

The messenger being being vindicated was Paul.

And what was he doing?

He was having to correct a church that was number one, saying that he wasn't a real apostle.

They were trying to say he didn't have the authority as an apostle, that he that he wasn't a real deal, that he might have been the second or third

generation apostle.

They were trying to push back on him and saying he didn't have any authority.

And he said, everything you're doing is wrong.

He said, look, you're believers, but you're not believing you're you're you started out believing and now

you're running towards all the the false gods that are out here in the Corinthian world.

You know, and it was all meant to vindicate God's messenger.

The next one is a miracle is a function of divine revelation.

We have to be really careful of this.

We see people today that are so they're trying to intricately tie in

their their, you know, unprovable miracles

to their authority as as as teachers or as witnesses to God.

Or, you know, we saw it last week or a couple of weeks ago with the gentleman that was

was talking with you on on the speaking in tongues.

Michael Salmon over and over and over again, he kept on trying to talk about the issues of speaking in

tongues.

Well, what was the purpose of the speaking in tongues, according to Acts?

What was it for?

It was for.

Oh, well, an ax had to proclaim the to proclaim the words of God, the mighty acts

of God.

Overall, the gift of tongues was a sign of judgment against unbelieving Israel.

But.

Listen to X222.

I'll pull this up.

X222 says.

I apologize.

Quiet time doesn't work.

Good, does it?

X222 says.

Men of Israel.

Listen and hear these words.

Listen and hear these words.

Jesus, the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God.

And how was he attested?

By miracles and wonders and signs, which God performed through

him in your midst.

Just as you yourself know, in other words, they couldn't get away with it.

They couldn't get by it.

God had vindicated his own man, Jesus, and he was vindicating Peter and the

those other men as messengers sent by God.

That's what we see.

And that's not the only time.

Sorry, excuse me.

Please, if you guys have anything you want to add, jump in, please.

I don't know anything you want to add.

I did see a comment up a few minutes ago that at some point I think we should address because it's an

interesting point.

Cody Robbins at 626.

OK, yeah, yeah.

If you want at some point, go back there.

Yeah, let's let's go ahead and touch on that because he has actually reached out and said that a couple of times.

Let's see.

Let's go ahead and put this out here, Cody.

Cody's asked us a few times.

So let's go ahead and say I'll let you go and address it if you want, brother.

Oh, that's not even the comment I was thinking of.

Or is it?

Yeah, the one where I see where he said, one thing I never hear addresses.

Oh, I guess it is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

OK.

OK, so Cody says one thing I never hear addressed is what makes people think Satan can't heal physically.

He was granted in Job the ability to physically harm and the appeal to Jesus in Matthew seven.

They appeal to their works.

Yes, but they didn't know him.

And Jesus doesn't rebuke their claims to perform miracles.

And if I'm remembering correctly, Sproul taught the authentic authenticity of demonic miracles being performed by the

Pharaoh's priests in Exodus.

And Cody, that's a that's a great point.

And it's something that from time to time will bring up if it comes up in a Q &A.

None of the none of the healing miracles claimed in the charismatic movement match the biblical

definition of a miracle.

But I do believe that on occasion, I don't think this is common.

But I think on occasion what does sometimes happen,

we know from Scripture that Satan can inflict illness.

I mean, we know that the woman was at Luke chapter 12, the woman who was crippled

and Jesus healed her.

And and it was her illness was because of a demonic infliction or satanic

infliction.

So we know from Scripture that Satan when book of Job, he just said, you know, Satan can inflict

bodily harm if God allows him to do so.

So knowing that.

If in the charismatic movement, someone has an illness, has some kind of a sickness, and let's just say a few of these occasions, a

few of them are actually demonic.

If a demon that is causing that illness were to withdraw from that person.

Then there would be at least a slow healing, quote, unquote, or

let's call it recovery, because if if if the illness is being caused by a demon and demon just removes

himself and he goes and flies off and, you know, does whatever demons do and that person were to recover,

the appearance would be, oh, it's a miracle.

It's a miracle healing when, in fact, that's not actually what happened.

And I think in the charismatic movement, there's just enough of that kind of stuff on occasion to kind of

keep the proverbial carrot in front of a, you know, carrot in front on a on a stick

hanging in front of people to keep people, you know, just enough of that going on to keep people in

the charismatic movement because people in the charismatic movement, they're not there for doctrine.

They're not there for theology.

They're not there to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Christ or progress in their sanctification or understanding of scripture.

That's not what they're there for.

They're in that movement for the signs and wonders and the experiences and all these tales.

And I would not put it past Satan or one of his demonic

court at all on occasion to do something like that.

Just just enough to keep people.

In this movement, in this false movement, to keep them away from real

doctrine, real theology, really growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Christ, really progressing in sanctification

and holiness, if he can keep them off, you see what I mean?

Following these signs of wonder.

So I don't think that's common.

I don't think that's the the the rule, but I do think that happens some.

Yeah, and I agree.

I think it's I think it's.

I think it's way more made up for for the very much so for the

person to announce his own status or her own status.

I mean, we see it with Beth Moore.

I mean, but we've also seen it with, you know, you name all the other groups.

But you think about this every let's look at this list of four things.

Are there miracles counterfeitable?

Yes.

Every person that says, you know, oh, I speak in tongues.

Well, I've got news for you.

OK, I can do it, too.

OK, I can do it, too, at least the way you're talking about it.

My cousin and I, when I was 18 years old, we went to a charismatic church.

It was it was we had a wonderful time.

People were dancing and singing and shouting and jumping around.

And there was very little Bible, but they had people would go up front and one would give a prophecy,

you know, just and another person that was with them.

And they were all staged.

It wasn't like they were just, you know, out of the blue.

They were given a prophecy and somebody would interpret it.

And they'd be like, is that right?

Yeah, that's right.

That's exactly what I meant.

Well, how do you know?

You know, so they would do that.

But the thing that was so amazing to me and my cousin is they would take us out to dinner all the

time and as they would take us out to dinner, they would tell us, have you received the spirit yet?

Have you received the spirit yet?

Well, I guess.

Yeah, I think so.

I wasn't a saved a bit more to man the moon, but I didn't realize that I thought I was and I didn't have any

discernment just and I didn't ever watch clouds without water at that time.

So, so here I am, I'm, I'm listening to these guys and they're like, you know, if you've received the spirit,

then you should be able to speak in tongues.

My cousin went with them one time alone and he said that they trapped him in the car for 45 minutes and prayed over

him and they were pushing on him and he finally was like, they were like screaming and

shouting and oh, he's received the spirit.

He got out as fast as he could and he said, I am never going back.

These guys are crazy.

But that's not abnormal.

Andrew actually, actually posted a video last time on the show of how the, some of

these guys were teaching people how to, what?

How to speak in tongues.

How to speak in tongues.

Yeah.

So let's, let's ask the question.

Is that a counterfeitable miracle?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not the real thing.

But yeah, it is counter.

Tongues are very counterfeitable.

Counterfeitable.

Yeah.

Tongues are very counterfeitable.

And lots of pagan religions speak in tongues.

Hindus, some Mormons, a lot of Roman Catholics, some Buddhists

speak in tongues and they do it in the exact same way that charismatics do.

Exactly the same way.

So it's, you know, I tell people you can, you can teach a canary how to speak in tongues.

It's not hard to do.

You can learn how to do it.

And I can't tell you how many people I have talked to, how many people have emailed me and said that they used to be in the

charismatic movement.

They spoke in tongues.

God opened their eyes.

They are now cessationist, as cessationist as I am.

But I've asked them, can you still speak in tongues?

Oh yeah.

They can still do it because it's just, it's a learned behavior.

Yeah.

It's a learned behavior.

So, yeah.

Well, and they say it's the, the spiritual language and all these other things.

The next thing here is it must prove that God has vindicated his own messenger.

Now here's, that's what I see.

That's why this is so troublesome is when everything becomes a miracle,

then every mundane thing is used as proof of their message.

But in the biblical sense, what is it proving?

It's proving that you have the authority to even proclaim the message, right?

I mean, Dr. Bookman, he actually taught that when it comes to the

positives of being able to claim that you're a messenger from God, it's non

-counterfeitable, that it has a function of divine revelation and the

miracle is always for vindication.

The negative there would be something along the lines of, well, let's see,

if you don't do what's right, if your message is not biblical, what happens to you?

Well, let's say you get stoned to death because you're a false teacher, you know, Deuteronomy, you know,

it's also a judgment from God.

God may allow somebody to come in and do the miracle.

And then what happens?

They turn out to be a false teacher, you know, trying to get people to go to other gods, you

know, to the lawless people.

So here's a question.

Sorry.

Okay.

Yeah, if these miracles were real, they wouldn't be denying the Trinity, which we will probably get to

that later.

And they wouldn't be saying Jesus wasn't God and that we're little gods.

Justin, how many of the charismatic, mainstream charismatic leaders teach that

Jesus wasn't God and that we're little gods?

Most of them, most of them.

Now, if you were to press them and say, do you believe Jesus is God?

They would say, well, yeah, but when you listen to a long enough like I have, and you kind

of, they, many of them teach that when Jesus came to this earth, he was not

God.

He was just a man who had completely divested himself of

deity, divested himself of all of his deific attributes.

And he was just a man in right relationship with God.

And he performed his miracles, not as God, but as a man in right relationship with God.

That's exactly what Bill Johnson Bethel teaches precisely what they teach.

So yeah, many of them teach that many, many of them, most of them teach that to one

degree or another.

They have all taught that.

I mean, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson,

Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Jesse Duplantis.

Jesse Duplantis has actually said on multiple occasions that God created Jesus.

So Creflo Dollar teaches this.

And T .D. Jakes, T .D. Jakes doesn't even believe in the Trinity.

So that's, yeah, they teach that.

And they also teach that we are little gods.

If you're a Christian, you're a little God.

So.

So I wanted to just real quick look at a couple of biblical terms

for miracle.

There's four uses.

What's that?

So like Drew's comment, my two -year -old is speaking in tongues.

I have no clue what he's saying, but he's trying to say something.

That's right.

That's right.

Well, then he needs an interpreter though.

There's a movie out where he's talking about the interpreters there.

There's no interpretation.

Let him remain silent.

I think I can interpret that.

I think he wants attention.

There you go.

There you go.

I do like it that the LSB, by the way, I wish the LSB, I love the LSB.

It's going to be my new go -to translation.

I wish they had rendered tongues as languages.

But they did.

They didn't do that.

They left it as tongues.

But they did, instead of talking about, when it talks about

interpretation of tongues, they do change that rightly to translate,

which gives a distinct impression.

Okay.

If you're translating something, this is a real language.

So.

Okay.

So let's -.

Yeah, there you go.

Right there.

Was that a, let me pull it up.

But if they're, see, most English, even the new American standard would say, if there's no one there to interpret.

But the legacy standard says, if there is no translator, which I'm glad they did that.

Thank you, KT, for posting that up there.

I really appreciate that.

So Joe, Joe Koobi said, what is the difference between a

miracle and a wonder?

And actually, we're going to talk about that just for a second.

There are actually four words in the scripture that we need

to talk about.

Okay.

One is a word for miracle.

That's four different types of miracle expressed in the scripture.

One is the word ergon, and it's a generic use

of the miracle as a work.

I'm going to post each one of these up so everybody can see it.

And not just, you know, making these things up.

Because, you know, somebody's going to say, oh, they're just making it up and whatnot.

And I don't want anybody to think we're just, you know, throwing it out there.

But a work, the works here, the miraculous works that Jesus did, John 5, 36, is

the word ergon.

Now, if somebody wants to read that, that'd be great.

I mean, I'll try to post the next one up and we can talk about that one too.

Let's see.

And if you have the legacy standard Bible, we can read it in that one.

Read the verse?

Yeah.

We do the legacy one.

Yeah, I got it here.

Yeah.

Because I don't have a legacy Bible because I was going to be getting one, you know, just to fill in time for you guys.

I was going to get one in and Anthony Silvestro, he comes

on the show sometimes.

He was actually going to send me one and it got lost in the mail.

It's only been lost in the mail.

It really did.

When the COVID thing hit, they said it made it up to Philadelphia or something like that.

And it's never to be seen again.

John 5, 36, Jesus speaking, of course, but the witness I have is greater than the witness of John

for the works, which the father has given me to finish the very works that I do.

Bear witness about me that the father has sent me.

See, what he's talking about is the very miraculous things that he does.

It's the works that he does.

Okay.

You want to talk about the things that you've done?

You're speaking in tongues and you're lifting legs and, you know, combing hair and, you know, you got a parking spot

and, you know, all these things.

Do they withstand the scrutiny of being able to say that this is a work that is vindicated

by God?

You know, if so, then I guess you're a messenger, you know, in the biblical

sense.

Now, I'm not, you know, and there is a sense that we are messengers, but this is a vindicated messenger.

You know, I think we need to make sure that there is a different understanding.

We have a message that's already been given.

We don't have a message from God where he gave it to us in direct revelation.

Right.

The next word is, you can see it in Acts 8 .13, it's talking about the dunamis powers.

I never understood.

I didn't understand for a long time what Todd Friel was talking about.

Because, you know, people say, well, that's dynamite.

The charismatics will say, that's dynamite.

Please, please disabuse us of that, Justin.

Yeah, look, Josiah was talking earlier about authorial intent.

If you come up with a meaning, an interpretation of a particular verse of scripture that would not have made

sense to the original recipients, then you've got the wrong meaning.

And Romans 1 .16, classic example, For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the dunamis, the

power of God in the salvation.

Oh, dunamis, that's the word we get for, you know, our word dynamite.

So it's the power of God is like dynamite, except that it's absolutely nothing like dynamite.

Yeah, it's not.

I mean, okay, so let's, okay, authorial intent.

So let's, let's do, let's, let's, let's go back in time, getting our little time machine, go back

2000 years, go to the recipients of the, of the Paul's letter to the Romans.

Hey guys, guess what?

You know what Paul said here?

Romans 1 .16, you know, this right here, we wrote this to you that he's not ashamed of the gospel because it's the power of God.

You know what that means?

It means dynamite.

They would look at you like, what, what's dynamite?

What is this dynamite?

They wouldn't have had the first clue as to what you were talking about.

So that's a classic hermeneutical wonder.

The power of God is absolutely nothing like dynamite at all on any level.

Yeah.

Dynamite, it's kind of an instantaneous explosion of power.

It goes in all directions and then it's over.

Yeah.

The power of God is actually nothing like that at all.

Yeah.

It doesn't mean that in the first place.

Let's see.

Actually, I'm sorry.

I didn't post that up there.

Acts 8 .13.

Justin, if you want to put that up, that's great.

It was, I don't have the legacy, so I'm asking it for you to do it because it's better.

Well, I don't have my physical copy in front of me.

I got it on my phone.

Got it on the app.

Oh, okay.

I got you.

Oh, I didn't know you could get it on that.

That's handy.

Oh, that's great.

Yeah.

Even Simon himself believed.

And after being baptized, he continued on with Philip.

And as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly astounded.

I want you to think about this, that passage.

Simon was a false teacher, claimed to be a God, claimed to have the

power of the gods.

He claimed to be someone of authority to the point where they believed

that he was worthy of respect and vindication.

They would think the people thought he was something else.

Until the truly vindicated people, Peter himself, came in and said, what?

You're in the gall of death.

I can't remember exactly.

He's like, you have nothing to do with God or the things of God and let your money

perish with you.

You think what you're doing is worthy of money?

It was blasphemy.

What you're trying to do with the spirit is blasphemy.

And so he was doing the manifestations.

I mean, the truth of the manifestations of the miracle working power of God.

And that's why we have to be careful, because as we're talking about these things, I want to build up

to a crescendo because I want when we get done in an hour, I want everybody to be able to say when we get

done, what is the purpose of the miracles?

OK, we've already started this once.

We already said it one time.

It's for the vindication of the message.

OK, it's for vindicating the messenger.

It's all about the revelatory divine message of God.

Every bit of it's interconnected.

And you can't miss this.

When somebody says, I've got a revelation, I've got a miracle or any of these things, you have to

say this.

Is it the same in the sense as it was according to the scripture that we see the scripture?

And here's why.

All of these things were done to vindicate the messenger, not today's messengers, because we don't have those.

But it was the messengers that were given the word of God who would write the or let's just say it

this way, write the inscripturated word of God.

They had to have so much authority that when Simon came in, they

could rebuke him and the people submitted to him.

When the Pharisees came in, they submitted Acts 2 to 22.

What did they do?

They heard the message.

They fell on their face and they repented.

Men and brethren, what shall we do?

We know that we've seen the signs, wonders, the miracles.

We know that God attested that Jesus, the one that hung on the tree.

We know that we killed him.

What do we do?

Repent, believe the gospel.

All of this.

And here's what's so important.

It wasn't in 350 AD where everybody came together in a church council.

I mean, we've heard this straw man for for, you know, 200 years or more

that, oh, they went back to 350 AD and they all sat down and they came together and coalesced the word of God.

Now, what would be the canon?

No, what what what made the canon?

What made the scripture from from Matthew to Revelation?

What made it and solidified it was the vindication of the authors.

And that could only be done by the people who submitted to the authority of these authors.

And what you have to understand is they were submitting because they saw the signs.

They saw the miracles.

They saw the power of God.

They saw the authority of God.

They heard the message of God.

And it's over and over and over again.

And we have to be careful not to allow people to to.

I want to say pervert.

What we're trying to what we're trying to say is a is a is a true divine miracle.

What is the purpose of the miracle?

And we don't want people to nominalize God's true biblical miracles because they have a

purpose.

Just real quick, let me post this up.

What's a sign?

A sign is Simeon, and it means this with with

relation to miracles.

This word means the authenticator, a sign.

Dr. Bookman says it this way.

A sign is a badge.

It's a badge where you can say this is what authenticates me as a

messenger of God.

This is why I'm telling you to repent.

This is why I'm telling you to submit to everything that the the apostles teach.

This is why I'm telling you to listen to the apostles doctrine and to teach it and refuse to allow anyone else to say

any other any other word.

A sign that's written down here is with relation to a message.

I'm sorry, a miracle.

This word means the authenticator, a positive indicator.

It means credentials as a badge for vindicating an insignia.

And we see that in John 2, 11 and Matthew 12, 13.

He says, note that and I don't know the word.

What word?

Simeon.

Yeah, Simeon.

Sorry.

Simeon, yeah.

Can refer to a pointer that which directs the mind to something

outside itself.

And in Mark 13, 14 says the signs, the sign when

all these things will be fulfilled.

But the primary sense is the authenticating badge.

Guys, you want to, you know, jump in there?

I don't want to take up the whole time talking about all of it myself.

Josiah, you go ahead, bro.

Well, we were talking about Jesus' miracles and the miracles that we

that the Bible does.

And Jesus shows over and over again that his miracles are to

authenticate his message and his message that the kingdom of God had come

and you had to repent and believe in him.

If you want to turn to Matthew chapter eight, that's chapter right after the Sermon on the Mount

and and verses 14 through 17.

I preached on this a couple of weeks ago.

It talks about Jesus healing Peter's mother -in -law and says when Jesus entered Peter's house, he

saw his mother -in -law lying sick with a fever.

He touched her hand and the fever left her and he rose and began to serve him.

That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons and he cast out the spirits of the word and healed all who were sick.

This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah.

He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.

A few things that are important to point out there.

Jesus, Jesus' miracles were instant, more close to being instant.

They were to authenticate his message.

They were, they were falsifiable because many were being brought to him.

And also this was to fulfill prophecy.

The passage he quotes was Isaiah and it's actually Isaiah 53.

Verse four says, surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows.

Now, whenever you see a New Testament author quoting an Old Testament author, you have to understand what is the

context that the author is pointing to.

Because Matthew, what he likes to do, this is something I discovered with Dr. Abner Chow.

He said that you want to look at the context because whenever they were to, whenever they said a verse

and from an Old Testament passage, the audience

hearing the Old Testament over and over again would have understood the context that he was talking about.

And Jesus' miracles, it says, surely he has borne our griefs

and carried our sorrows.

Yet we esteem him stricken, smitten by God and afflicted.

But he was pierced for our transgressions.

He was crushed for our iniquities.

Upon him was a chastisement that brought us peace.

And with his wounds, we are healed.

So Jesus' miracles of healing were to foreshadow his

healing us of our sins.

And they're authenticating the fact that we are saved by his blood

sacrifice on the cross.

So there are several reasons why Jesus healed and did miracles.

It was to authenticate the message.

It was to point to the fact that he was going to die on the cross for our

sins.

And his resurrection ultimately points to his actually fulfilling that by

rising from the dead.

So proving we have forgiveness of sins.

Yeah.

Jesus never healed anyone just for the sole purpose

of that person having an easier life.

A more comfortable life.

That, I mean, yes, he had compassion on people, but that was not the primary purpose that he

granted.

Healing was not just so that person could have an easier life.

He always, every miracle he did pointed to himself and attested to his

deity and his authority.

Not just so that, you know, the blind person could see and have a better life or the lame person could walk

and get around.

Yes, that was one of the benefits, if you will, of that for that individual.

But there was always a much, much broader view and purpose in everything that Jesus did.

Amen.

You know, and we just talked about this.

KT posted this.

We're going to pull it up again is in Acts 2 .22.

You know, that's been kind of our foundational issue here.

We talked about the fact that we're talking about a work.

We're talking about the power.

We're talking about the wonders.

I'm at the signs.

We're talking about the fact that it must be something that is non -counterfeitable.

It's something that vindicates the messenger, that it's a

function of divine revelation and that it's always for that vindication purpose.

And Dr. Bookman points out that we see this in Acts 2 .22.

It's clear as day.

Men of Israel, unbelievers.

By the way, let's point out that what's the purpose of the signs of the tongues?

The Bible tells us that the purpose of the tongues is not so you can just get your willies when you're in the middle

of your church service.

It was for the gospel for unbelievers so they may hear the message.

Listen to these words.

Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with what?

Miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did through him in

your midst.

And you know it.

Yep.

Irrefutable.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, no, no, no.

Go ahead.

I don't want...

No, I was just saying, all I was saying is it's irrefutable.

You knew it was happening.

Yep.

Yeah, that's right.

You knew it.

In Acts chapter three, this is Peter and John, and they healed the man

at the temple who was lame from his mother's womb at the temple.

And so, you know, let's say Acts chapter three,

beginning of verse six, Peter said, I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you in the name of Jesus Christ

Nazarene, walk.

And seizing him by the right hand, he raised him up and immediately his feet and his ankles

were strengthened and leaping up.

He stood upright, began to walk.

He entered the temple with him, walking and leaping and praising God.

This was a man who had been born lame from his mother's womb.

And instantly the guy is jumping up, running like a deer.

Okay.

This is no Todd White leg lengthening thing.

And this is no slow over time, getting a little bit better.

This is a bonafide miracle.

And look, verse nine, and all the people saw him walking and

praising God.

And they were recognizing him, that he was the one who used to sit at the beautiful gate of the temple to beg alms.

And they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.

Everybody around this situation, they knew that a miracle had happened

undeniably.

This was no psychosomatic healing.

This was no, oh yeah, that bursitis in my right shoulder, I think it's a little bit

better today.

Everybody, everybody was forced to admit this is real.

This is the hand of God.

They had to, they lost people recognize this.

The enemies of Christ recognize this.

So that is a far cry.

You don't see anything like this happening in the charismatic movement today,

ever, ever, nowhere, not even Francis

Chan.

Francis Chan, a couple of years ago said he was in, I don't know where he was, Burma or something like that.

And he prayed for deaf kids in the village and all of the deaf children were instantly healed.

There's no proof of this.

There's no, nobody had a cell phone, no video of this.

It's just nothing like this is happening today.

It should have been, if it's a real miracle, it's going to be verifiable or falsifiable

even.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

And you have to think about this.

When Jesus was doing this for vindication, you get to Mark 8, Jesus

sighs and he says, I'm not going to give you a sign.

The only thing, only sign you're going to find is

when, when, when you see the, as it was in the days of Noah type thing, you know, he says, there's not gonna be a

sign given to you.

You know, you're going to see, I think it's amazing to me that he rejected

them and the sign that he said he was not, that they were going to get was the

absolute judgment that was to come.

That the end times judgment, you know, and we want to say, well, you know

what?

There's gold dust can fly out of, you know, all this stuff.

And I, you know, the, if we go through fire tunnels and we can do all this crazy stuff,

you know, it's, it's amazing that they are never in keeping with what the scripture says, you know, because

they've made a new normal.

They they've made the, the mundane, the miracle, you know, I

go ahead.

No, I've never seen, I didn't see anywhere in the Bible where Jesus was sprinkling gold glitter and saying, Hey,

look, everybody.

Right.

No, no, no tooth fillings turning into gold and angel feathers and gold dust, which is just

stationary glitter that people dump into the ventilation system.

You know, that's, that's not that that's not how this works.

It's not how any of this works.

Um, can I be it?

May I be a little bold here?

Go ahead.

Absolutely.

I love this.

I am a guest and this is not my program, but I was just texting my friend, Josh Comstock.

I think if you see him pop up in the, uh, he and I went to a Benny Hinn crusade

together.

Uh, 2019.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Fall of 2019.

And I just invited him to come on the show.

I hope that's okay.

But I would love for him to, uh, he's on my board of directors.

Josh is a great guy.

And, uh, it'd be interesting to have him.

So if you see him pop up, if you don't mind, let him, let him, not a problem at all.

Okay.

So, so let's look, um, at a couple of negative qualifiers because everybody always wants to

say, you know, uh, well, I can speak in tongues.

I can do all this stuff.

Well, uh, a couple of the negatives, look at Deuteronomy 13, for example.

Now what does Deuteronomy 13 have to do with, you know, the prosody in China?

And if you start looking at the scripture, because it all matters, by the way, it's not been relegated to the back seat.

It all matters.

Um, if we look at what the scripture tells us about in Deuteronomy, we find out that

there are these false teachers that come in.

They, and, and, and it is clear that there is judgment to come.

Um, the warning here in Deuteronomy 13 is, is, is,

is this.

If there are people that come in and they try to pull you away from, you know, from the word of God, from the truth

of God, if they try to pull you away, you don't accept them.

You don't just jump in and say, you know, oh, wow, you've got a word, you've got a vision, you've got a prophecy.

And the old Testament, you would stone them.

You, uh, brother, come on in here.

There's a brother, Josh Comstock.

Hey there.

Oh, well, how you doing?

How you guys doing?

Josh.

Hey, brother.

Doing good.

I'm very nice, sir.

Good, good, good, good.

Well, I just finished my dinner.

So I, I hear there's a show and I, I was missing it.

So here I am.

Oh yeah.

We're actually talking about Deuteronomy 13.

Uh, actually a four, four and five.

I'm going to, uh, pull this up here.

Deuteronomy 13, four and five, you know, cause like we were talking about, everybody wants to claim that they have a,

a vision or that they have a, uh, a message from God.

And so here comes the question, you know, we're, we're, we're going to pull it up.

Actually, let me do it.

Let me do it a little differently since we're all in here.

We're going to throw ourselves on the side and, and, uh, we'll do a screen share and pull it up.

Um,

I might work a little bit better.

Knows way more about technology than I do.

I always tell people it's not 2000 years old.

I don't know much about it.

I'll tell you, Josh is the tech guru.

Look, I would be, I would be doing my, I would be doing my YouTube channel and my

seminars with puppets and, and,

uh, Josh Comstock.

Okay.

Can everybody, can everybody see that?

Is that a little too small still?

I mean, I can see it.

All right.

Let me pull that up there and make it a little bit bigger and let's see.

Okay.

Let's see.

Let's drop that out.

You don't want to read it in Hebrew?

Well, I can do that for you if you want.

You shall not listen to the words of, uh, let's jump back to two.

I like, I like, you know, a little bit context.

Let's go all the way to one.

If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a

sign or a wonder, but wait a minute, there's no such thing as a person today that

gives a false sign and wonder, is there?

No.

I mean, everybody says the proof, the proof is

that I did the work that I did the miracle that I did the sign, right?

It vindicates me.

I can speak in tongue, so I'm vindicated, but it says here that if one arises

among you and gives a sign or wonder, uh, or a wonder and the sign or the wonder does

what?

Comes true.

Comes true.

Concerning which he spoke to you saying, let us go after other gods whom you have not

known and let us serve them.

You shall not listen to the words of that prophet.

Now, Justin, just, just ask the question, have you ever heard of any, um, false teachers

trying to get us to go towards different false gods?

Maybe say for example, in Hinduism, Buddhism or anything like that using signs and wonders.

Oh yeah.

All the time.

I mean, that's, that's their bread and butter.

That's what they do.

They, they claim signs and what they Hindus, um, and, and,

and practitioners of Kundalini, they exhibit the exact same

behaviors that charismatics do.

All of the same things, dreams and visions, speaking in tongues, uh,

uncontrollable laughter, shaking, jerking, prophesying, and they claim physical healings.

And they do all the, all of the same things that charismatics claim to do.

They do them in the exact same way.

Exact same way.

There's literally no difference.

And I think you came on the show, I want to say three weeks ago, it might've been a little more than that.

And you actually went through some of the, the things that these guys do without naming them.

And a lot, everybody was like, well, that's the charismatics.

And you said, no, that was, I believe it was Hindus.

I believe you're talking about Kundalini.

Yep.

Hindu Kundalini.

Yep.

Well, but think about it.

What do we, what do we see in the church today?

Yoga.

Yoga is a common practice in the church today and nobody has a problem with it.

Yep.

That's right.

Um, Josh, since you're here, it was 2019.

You and I went to, to Benny Hinn, right?

Yes.

So did we see any, um, signs of what he had a healing service?

You know, we were there for a miracle healing service.

Did we see any real miracles?

What, what were your impressions of Benny Hinn's night that evening?

I was pretty impressed when you got up and started walking around the stage.

But other than that, I was healed briefly and then I

think wore out.

No, it was, it was definitely an experience.

Um, the, I think the most, or the biggest takeaway that I took from that event

that night was nothing that Benny Hinn actually said or, or allegedly did.

It was actually the fact that there was, as you remember, as we were walking into the door, there was

somebody as you were being incognito that came up to you and said, Hey, are you Justin

Peters?

Here we go.

And, and they said, I love your videos.

I watch you on YouTube, but I'm thinking, what are you doing here?

But, uh, that was, that was real.

That was a little bit bizarre, but that was weird, but no, anything else.

I, uh, it was definitely, uh, I mean, I remember getting the stink eye cause we sat in two separate spots.

Um, but when they were lifting their hands and praying and tongues and, or whatever they were doing, and I was just standing there, I

mean, I stood out like a sore thumbs.

I just was standing there with my hands on my side, you know?

And man, I could feel the laser beams from across the aisle of people staring me down from not participating, but

it was, it was a very uncomfortable feeling.

But there again, it's almost like, if you stop and think about that, it was the looks I

was receiving from people for, it was not of concern or, oh, this, you know, he's, maybe he

doesn't know what's going on.

Or it was very much like, what, what are you, what, what are, why aren't you participating as if

it was a show?

Right.

It wasn't something that was naturally happening.

Um, it was, it was definitely different for sure.

The first time I've ever experienced anything like that before.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Indeed.

Yeah.

And, and we, I mean, he had been, he hadn't had people come up to the, to the front

there and, uh, claim to be healed, but, but all of them were psychosomatic.

None of them were any verifiable miracles.

In fact, where I was sitting, there was, um, I've been doing enough of these.

I kind of know how to pick these people out, but there was, there was an older couple, a lady, she was

overweight and her, uh, who I assumed was her husband.

I later found out was her fiance in a, in a wheelchair next to her.

And as the, kind of the early part of the service, I noticed that she had her hand back on

her, uh, if I can get my hand back there, but kind of on the back of her neck and she was just kind of like

doing this, you know, like her neck was hurting and she was just doing that in the, before

the healing ever started.

And when I looked over and I saw her doing that, I thought to myself, she's going to be one

of the ones that are going to be healed.

Sure enough, when the healing portion came, uh, this lady walked

up, I've got it on video.

I've got, I could pull it up right now, but, uh, she, she came up and, uh, Benny Hinn, uh,

proclaimed her to be healed, uh, of her, you know, muscle tension

and all that kind of stuff and proclaimed her to be healed.

She said that she was healed.

She said that, oh, her neck is better.

My neck is better.

I can move my neck.

I can, you know, and, and, um, and then, and then she said, she said, my fiance

and she pointed over at him, my fiance is here in a wheelchair.

And he just said, oh, madam, we pray for him too.

And, and, and he motioned her on, and that was the end of it.

And like that right there.

Okay.

So the lady with the sore neck is healed, but the guy in the wheelchair, oh, we pray for him too.

We believe for him too.

You know, like, yeah, that's typical.

That's how this works.

That's, that's how he does it.

That's Benny Hinn.

That's Todd White.

That's all of them.

Charlatans.

Well, so, so we're talking about the negative aspects, um, now of, of

miracles.

Now we just talked about Deuteronomy and we looked at the, what, what God commands about, you know, being,

being on the lookout for these, these guys that, that claim these miracles and some that even do it by the power of Satan,

because I'm going to tell you, they're not doing it by the power of God.

And one of the evidence is they're trying to get you to worship a different God.

Okay.

They're trying to get you to worship a different God in, in a way or, or, or worship God in a way that he will not

condone.

Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm worshiping God.

I just don't believe in, in Jesus or I'm, I'm worshiping Jesus.

I just don't believe in God, the father I'm worshiping, you know, the Mormon God, uh, the Mormon Jesus

I'm worshiping, you know, Jehovah's witness, uh, Jesus, um, you know, you name it.

There's, there's all kinds of different Jesus's that are, people are calling for

us to worship in the name of the signs, wonders, and miracles in the name of, of, of a

lot of these different things.

And the scripture tells us over again, not to do it, but here's another one.

Paul says, whether it be of men or angels, do not believe them.

If they coming to you with a different, what gospel, a different

message, right?

He says, he says, don't, don't listen to them.

Don't believe them.

Don't follow their way.

And the greatest deceiver that's going to show up dispensational, uh, the one that's going to

show up is, is this guy here and he's in a revelation 13, uh, five, and listen to

what he says.

And he opened his mouth up with blasphemies against God to blaspheme, his name and his tabernacle.

That is those who dwell in heaven.

And it was given to him.

It wasn't on his own authority.

He was allowed to do this, to make war with the saints and to overcome them and authority

over every tribe and people and nation and tongue was given to him.

All who dwell on the earth will worship him.

Everyone whose name has not been, uh, written from the foundation of the world in the book

of the life of the lamb who has been slain.

And then if you jump down to verse 13 and 14, it says this, excuse me,

he performs great signs so that he even makes fire

come down from heaven to the earth in the presence of men.

And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs, which it was given to him to

perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image

to the beast who had the wound of the sword and

I see, and has come to come to life.

So the whole point here is what even Satan who comes as an angel of light can do what

can perform signs and wonders.

Yeah.

You know, Cody, Cody, uh, was asking that question.

Why don't people assume that Satan is not got the power to do this?

That's one of the things that we got to be careful of.

It's not just, oh, I can do a sign and a wonder.

What is it coming from?

Because does it vindicate God?

Does it vindicate the message?

And what's the purpose in it?

What's the purpose in it?

Yeah.

Something I'd like to ask.

Justin, uh, Peter, uh, Peters is, uh, do

you believe that there's people in the Pentecostal charismatic movement that are saved?

Yes.

Yes, I do.

I do believe there, there are some, I do not believe that all charismatics are lost.

I don't believe that don't teach that never have.

I do believe there are genuine, some genuine Christians in the Pentecostal slash

charismatic, you know, all Pentecostal charismatic, not all charismatic or Pentecostal, but,

uh, I do believe there are some real sheep in this movement that having been said, uh,

I think there are far more lost in this movement than there are

genuine Christians.

I would also say, I'm sorry.

I was just going to say, I just wanted our audience to hear that.

So they don't think that we're just saying all charismatics are going to hell.

Cause I've been accused of saying that before.

Yeah, no, no, I don't, I don't believe that at all.

Um, these issues are not primary.

They don't go, they're not top tier.

They don't go to the gospel itself.

Um, but I do believe that there, um, these issues are of

such an importance that for the second tier issues, they're at the top of the second tier.

They're at the top of the second tier and they're kind of bumping the floor of the first tier, but they're not

there.

They're at the top of the second tier, because the fact of the matter is, is you cannot hold to a

charismatic position and to the sufficiency of scripture at the same time.

You just can't do it.

Those two positions are mutually exclusive.

Definitionally they're mutually exclusive positions.

So, um, it's a very important secondary, very important.

And, um, uh, I do not, however, believe that there are any mature

Christians that go to one of these false churches.

I mean, a demonstrably false church, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, you know, Joyce

Meyer, you know, Joseph Prince, uh, Bill Johnson, Bethel church.

Are there a few sheep in Bethel church?

Probably.

Are there any mature Christians at Bethel church?

Zero, none.

Because if you were mature by definition, you wouldn't be in a false church.

So there'll be maybe some very young sheep there who are saved more, not, um,

because of what is taught that, but more in spite of what is taught at Bethel, but there would be absolutely

zero mature believers in, um, in a demonstrably false church.

Yeah.

If they were mature, they wouldn't be there.

One other question.

Oh, good.

Uh, now do you believe anybody who rejects slash denies the Trinity in these movements

are real believers?

No, no.

Can you, can you explain that?

So do I believe you have to talk about that too?

Huh?

Yeah.

So we're going to actually really hit that harder in just a minute.

Yeah.

So like oneness Pentecostals by their own doctrinal statement, they deny the Trinity.

Oneness Pentecostals do.

Um, I do not believe you have to fully understand the Trinity in order to be a Christian, because if that were

true, then I would not be a Christian because I don't fully understand it.

That, that, that doctrine, you know, three in one, you know, that kind of makes your head

swim.

Um, one God, three distinct persons, each full, each of whom is

fully God and their distinct personalities.

They're still, I mean, distinct persons, but they're not, but there's not three gods.

There's one God, three persons, each of whom is God.

You know, that scrambles our brains, right?

I mean, it does.

So I don't know.

None of us fully understands it as, as, uh, Charles Spurgeon said, he said, as well might

a gnat, G -N -A -T, as well might a gnat seek to drink in the ocean, so might a finite

creature seek to comprehend the eternal God.

Yeah.

But even though I can't fully understand the triunity of God, I

fully believe it.

100 % believe it.

Why?

Because that's what scripture teaches.

Now, someone who is shown that from scripture and they see the

Trinity and not the word, but they see the doctrine so clearly, um,

laid out in scripture, the personhood of Christ, the personhood of the Holy spirit, the personhood of the father and father, and

how they're distinct, uh, they see that from scripture and they consider it and they reject it.

And they say, no, I don't believe that.

Then that person's not a Christian.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

I wanted to, I wanted to try to

emphasize, we do believe there's charismatics that are saved, but there's,

there's whole, there's whole swaths.

A lot of them deny the Trinity.

And one of the people that we talked to a few weeks ago, denies

the Trinity, teaches against the Trinity.

Yeah.

And that's one thing we're going to, that would be a non -Christian.

Yeah.

And that's one thing I want to, want to kind of jump into while we're talking, uh, um, here in just a second.

Um, uh, let's just, let's lay this foundation out.

And the, and the reason is the reason that we're doing this is because as we noticed, we talked about miracles, signs, wonders,

and the Trinity.

And the reason we did that is each one of these, these issues, miracles, signs, wonders,

all have the purpose of being non -counterfeitable to prove that God has vindicated his

own messengers to a miracle must be, uh, has a function of divine revelation.

And so I don't want people to miss this, the miracles that we're talking about

that are biblical miracles, all of those things that we talked about, you know, raising the dead and things like that.

We see those at three times in, in the scripture, in the, in the testaments and the old new Testament with Moses, with

Ezekiel and in the new Testament, while God is vindicating his message and his messengers,

we don't see it outside of that.

It's not normative, right?

And, and here's why it's so important.

If God has given, and I kept on dwelling on this, if God has given a message

for humanity to know him and to know his purpose

and to come to know how we can be right with God, how would God do that

by just giving it to everybody and say, Justin, you had a vision.

Can you tell me what yours was?

Josiah?

Hey, Josh, can you maybe tell us what yours was?

Let's write it down.

No, God had to convincingly and authoritatively both tell

us what is a false message and tell us what is a true vindicated message.

And, and by the way, the reason we're talking about the Trinity is because we're talking about what

God did and who is God.

It's the God of scripture.

You see, you see it.

And I know people talk about circularity here, but it's the God of scripture.

We're talking about the triune God.

If you don't know him, if he's not the one that has given you the message from him, then you

don't have the God of the Bible.

Amen.

You don't have that God from Bible.

And that's why it's so important that we understand the qualifications.

Acts 2, 2, you know, Hebrews 2, 3 to 4 tells us the same qualifications.

We don't have time to get through all of them.

So I'm just going to list them out.

John 3, 2 tells us that, that Nicodemus comes and says, says

what rabbi, we know that you've come from God as a teacher for no one does these signs

that you were doing unless God is with him.

So the vindication is there, but we have to believe in God as he's presented himself in the

scripture.

And we have to qualify that the reason that Justin said the Trinity, if you don't believe in the

Trinity, no, you're not a Christian.

Now, like he said, we're not sitting there going through a doctrinal thesis on the Trinity,

you know, because the truth of the matter is this, you know, I'm going to keep referring

back to Dr. Bookman.

He's, he's a genius.

And he said this, there is no parallel in all of creation to the Trinity.

We can't, we can't understand it by any means.

You know, there's no analogy that fits exactly.

He's like water doesn't fit.

What is that one, the Lutheran satire thing?

Oh, there's, there's a few analogies.

So water, you know, water, vapor, ice, there's a three leaf clover, you

know, God's like an egg.

You got a yolk and the white, and then the shell, you know, all that.

No, when, when.

God.

Come on, Patrick.

That's the one.

I'll tell you what, I'm going to pull that up.

I want to pull that up.

We don't have time for it, I guess, you know, yeah, that's hilarious, but it's true.

It's, I think maybe James White, you know, he does a really good job talking about the

triangle, you know, and, and whatnot.

And of course you guys have seen the, the triangle with, you know, the, you know, God, the father is not God, the son,

God, the son is not, you know, it goes down that list.

Um, let's see if I can pull something up here while you guys are jabbering.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The, uh, when we say, when we talk about the Trinity, we're not talking about

some kind of man -made formula or idea.

It's just, you know, when the father, when the Bible talks about, God talks about God, the father talks about God, the son

talks about God, the Holy spirit.

We also see that the scripture says that God is one.

And we also know that Jesus is not the father.

We know that the father is not the Holy spirit and it's

boundaries that God placed for us to understand of himself,

not something that we came up with.

Yeah.

When, when God said in Isaiah 40, I'm not sure of the verse.

I know it's Isaiah 40.

To whom will you compare me?

To whom will you liken me?

And who will be my equal?

That was not a challenge.

Okay.

That's not like, okay.

Come up with something that is like me, come up with an analogy that that's like me.

That wasn't a challenge.

God was affirming his uniqueness that there is, there's no one,

there's no one.

There's no thing that you can compare God to nothing.

So it wasn't come up with an egg or a three leaf clover.

So, well, and the, and the reason that we wanted to, I better pull this all the way up, I guess.

Okay.

The reason we wanted to kind of talk that, because I talked about that at this corner at the end here

is I can't remember two weeks ago, I think it was, or I can't remember

when it was a pastor by the name of Michael Salmon.

He came in to the show and, and I don't know him, but Andrew and

Justin, you guys had conversation with him.

And it was talking about the signs.

It was talking about speaking in tongues and things, as I recall.

And, you know, everything seemed to be, you know, pretty well up and up.

But the reason we did the beginning of this is we have to understand that when people start talking about signs, wonders,

miracles, and everything else, we're talking about the God of creation, the God of the Bible, the God that he's,

as he has presented himself in scripture.

Now we see throughout the scripture that God has presented himself as God, the Father, God, the Son, and

God, the Holy Spirit.

Okay.

It is definably and definitionally here, but Michael unbeknownst,

we didn't know, but Michael comes along, Mr. Salmon, he comes in, he says, it took me about

30 seconds to pull this up on his Facebook page.

He says, by grace, grace alone, by faith alone, by Christ alone, unless you do not believe in

Calvinism, Trinity, eternal torment.

So he denies the hell and pre -trib rapture, R -O -F -L,

roll on the floor laughing.

And that's kind of ambiguous.

It's like, well, okay, what does that mean?

I've heard people use Genesis 126 to prove the Trinity.

Genesis 126, God said, let us make man in our image and our likeness.

What?

A lot of people do not see that the word let us and our, and our was

added by the translators.

Did you guys know that?

It's Hebrew plural

with a singular.

Yeah.

So Elohim.

Yeah.

You know, it's, it's really, it's a good, it's a good thing that you can have,

like Logos Bible software, for example, you know, it's really good to have stuff like that.

Cause you know, when, when you're, when you don't know, you don't just trust people to say

like statements like he just made.

You can actually go to go to scripture and, and you can go and look at, you know, things

such as Logos Bible software.

That's really nice.

You actually have multiple different definition, definitional

meanings of, of God in the scripture.

And like Josiah just said, you know, what is one of those, what is one of

those definitions?

And we see it is Elohim.

Now Elohim, you guys have been through school on this.

So, so what does Elohim mean?

It means Hebrew.

It's, it's.

L is God.

Elohim would be the plural of, of God.

And so you see, oftentimes when it's not talking about the one God of Israel, it's

translated as multiple gods.

L can also mean mighty ones.

So it could also mean multiple mighty ones.

Exactly.

So you have, most people don't know, but Elohim is, is called a Hebrew

locative.

Okay.

It's kind of like when you say water or the waters, you're not talking about one

hydrogen atom, hydrogen atom.

You're talking about water.

And however much is there is what?

It's water.

Now you would say water's plural because you look at the ocean or you look at the seas and things and you say,

that's a lot of water.

Okay.

But it's all water.

That's a locative.

Okay.

So no matter how much you break it down, it's all water.

When you're talking about Elohim, you're talking about God

as he has, as, as he identifies himself as he is in the natural state, in the spiritual state,

however else you want to say it, but it's God, Elohim.

He is God.

So his first thing you have to see is, okay, does the Bible say anything about Elohim?

And so how about, let's see, we can go to, I'm gonna move things around just a little bit.

I got too much open, getting mad at me.

Let's see.

I don't have, I don't have my, my legacies Bible on here.

I may have to buy one.

So that way I can, I can get that on here.

So.

I love the, the more I read the legacy, the more I like it.

It's, it's, it even tightens up and I love the new American standard.

That's what I've always preached from because it's the most literal, but the, the legacy standard, it's not just

Yahweh and Dulas, you know, slave that they've changed.

There's other, it's tightened up on the, on the participles and some of the tenses.

It's just, it's a, it's tighter.

It's, it's a more, it's more literal.

I like it a lot.

Let's see if anybody.

It shows even the flow.

I have the new Testament and I've been studying Greek for four and a half years

and it, it even shows the flow how of the Greek, how,

how each word flows together real well.

I really enjoyed reading the new, the new Testament LSB that I got.

I want to get the whole thing, but I just haven't been able to get it yet.

Yeah.

Zoom in.

So somebody is asking me if I can zoom in.

So let me go ahead and try to make this a little bit, a little bit larger.

So, so I appreciate you guys kind of indulging here just for a second.

You see this word Elohim.

Let me read this out for you.

This is, this is a interlinear area.

It's, it's, it's the original Hebrew writings that

we've gotten down throughout the history.

So we know that they're, they're good and solid.

And it says Genesis chapter one, Barashit

Barah Elohim et.

Okay.

So we'll just stop right there.

In the beginning created Barah Elohim.

That's that, it's that plural locative.

In other words, you, you don't take the ending, the eme ending off of there.

The eme is your plural.

You don't take it off there and say Allah.

That's not God.

God is the plural being, but what does it go on and say?

It goes on and says, let me jump down.

Well, if you go back, Barah is the third masculine singular and it goes with, with

God.