Truth in Love Podcast Presents- Encompass Learning

Welcome to the truth and love podcast. Tonight is another special podcast. We are we're having a truth in love

Interview tonight. It's going to be Encompass learning with Amy Fonseca.

Hope you'll stick around and join us Amy how are you?

I am great Robert. How are you? I'm doing I'm doing well. Um I'm excited to have you on the podcast and share with everybody about what

God is doing in your life and The ministries that you're involved in and that you're going to be involved in and you also have some new very special news that That just happened and I'm excited for you to announce that here

So I'll let you do that when you tell us About yourself personally your family and also tell us about yourself

Professionally and then give us that big exciting news that you have All right. Great. Thank you.

So, um, like Robert said, I'm Dr. Amy Fonseca, but the doctor is new.

That's what he's hinting at. I Am born and raised in Lincoln County.

I have been an educator for the last 14 years I am happily married to my husband

Pablo. We will celebrate our 13th year anniversary this year in a few months I have two sons

Roman and Joseph five years old and two years old and We are waiting on a third blessing through an adoption placement.

So that's exciting. It's an exciting So professionally

I am an educator I work with Lincoln County Schools currently I'm an assistant principal and I recently

Finished my doctorate degree as of Tuesday, so I've been dr. Fonseca all of two days

When you also work at at a church you work with the church ministry in church

I do so part -time. I work for my church venture Church The main campus is in Dallas but we also have a

Lincolnton campus that meets on Sunday nights at the Cultural Center and I am the Lincoln campuses children's ministry director

Fantastic. Okay. Well, I Know that I know that my wife is proud of you and I'm excited to meet a new doctor and have a doctor on the program so It's fantastic news.

The the next thing that I want to ask you is about your we talked about church I won't ask you about your faith in Jesus Christ How how you were led to Christ and how

God saved you if you wouldn't mind sharing your testimony with us Absolutely. So I grew up in the church in a very loose sense of Saying that my mom would drop me off at church on Sunday mornings at a

Methodist Church Down off of Buffalo Shoals Road, and I would join the Sunday school Sometimes I would say for the sermon when

I got into high school I met a friend who was attending a local

Church of God and I began going to church with her and that was a totally new experience

I had grown up going to Methodist and then went to Church of God through high school totally different I Had a very hard Reality check my senior year of high school the youth group that I was a part of just kind of fell apart and at that point in time

All of my faith was wrapped up in that youth group in the relationships that I had.

I didn't have a solid understanding Of what it meant to really be a Christian and what it meant to really have that relationship with Jesus So I actually left the church from the time.

I was about 17 Until Early 2015 so I left the church for around 10 years and During that time.

I tried being atheist Call it my experimental period tried being atheist.

I was still very much drawn to the to my spiritual side

To the point that I even took tons of college classes Trying to tons of theology classes.

Let me specify For the sole purpose of arguing against Christianity.

Mm -hmm and I Wouldn't change that journey one bit because if I wouldn't have questioned my why

Why did I believe this or how did I get to this point? Then my faith would definitely not be as strong as it is now my mom started using special holidays

Mother's Day Christmas that sort of thing to kind of guilt -trip me into going to church with her and Slowly but surely

God started to work on my heart again. I never I Never could

I was never settled and then March 28th 2016

Nothing special about that day I had came home my husband in the shower. I don't remember anything else

I don't even remember what led to me Saying the prayer

But Jesus saved me there in that moment on March 28th in the evening sitting in my bedroom You know, it's a beautiful thing and I think

I It was powerful and from the moment that I was saved

I Feel like I know that I'm one of God's children a force to be reckoned with when it comes to that because the devil has not stopped since So Yes, I I'm very much a child of God and so so So blessed that he's chosen me.

Mm -hmm. Praise the Lord. I've had similar situations in in my theological and belief journey where you grew up and we're taught one thing you held these certain beliefs and And you studied and you dug in and you looked at these books

Wanting to to prove and pick out the holes in it and then eventually converting and God changing your mind into these these different beliefs and it's

Amazing how that process works and God works in your heart It is the holes that was that I was always so adamant to point out are actually some of the

Strongest faith areas Strongest things that help prove the truth now

Interesting how it works well praise the Lord.

So let's dive into the meat of what we wanted to talk about Which is this new venture that you are stepping into It's my understanding that you are beginning this you you are starting this new venture this new business

And it's called encompass learning. So Tell us a brief introduction of encompass learning and a little bit about your goals for encompass learning

Yes, so, um, yes encompass learning is a brand new Venture that I'm taking on it

It is a work of the heart Literacy and an education in general is just very very important to me.

It has been from a young age I Was born of two very hard -working parents

I'm very proud to say this. My dad's no longer with me, but my dad was a man who who did not finish the eighth grade and That didn't stop him he worked really hard he he had his own company

He he grew himself in other ways he struggled with literacy now he wasn't illiterate, but he did he did struggle with literacy and I saw that as I was growing older and It always kind of stuck with me how hard he had to work to kind of prove himself.

Otherwise, and so Throughout my years of being an educator That's been a real driving force for me even in teaching first graders second graders

You have those students for just a year and What you do with them impacts the rest of their lives

Since I've stepped out of the classroom. I'm not working as much directly with students and that's definitely something

I miss but in growing in my faith, I've developed a lot of relationships outside of school with Families who choose different pathways for education whether that's homeschooling private schooling charter schools

And I've seen a need especially with homeschool families and with private school families for for a little more control over Situations that where their students have gaps and they're just not sure what to do

So in the public school system and in most charter schools, we have what's called the MTSS framework

And it's a tiered framework that is preventative. It helps it helps educators and stakeholders

Really hone in and target the gaps behaviorally social emotionally academically Early on the keys early identification to help close those gaps

At a rate that the students don't fall behind and what I'm seeing is there's no one

There's there's there's no support for homeschool and private school families in this area

So if they start to see gap if they start to see gaps in their child's learning They're not sure what to do so so either they avoid it and the child falls further behind or they feel helpless and They they turn to avenues that they don't generally want to take which is not healthy for their family and so My goal is to help help stand in the gap to help help those parents

Decide what they need to do if the parents need tutoring Themselves if the parents need coaching on how to teach their child in compass learning can support them that way

If they just if they want to tutor there's going to be resources there as well. So it's really to stand in the gap

For parents when they just don't know what to do because education doesn't just come naturally to everyone

Yeah And it seems like there's a lot of times a a fear on both ends from from parents who are

Are interested have a desire or are presently homeschooling and then a lot of the stereotypes looking into homeschooling

Well, you weren't trained. Oh, I wasn't trained and you're having doubts.

You're having you know concerns how am I going to educate my child when when I'm not being trained like a

Public school educated and and so that sounds like something that Gonna fall in this territory with you and the help that you can get well and and the way the world is is going now

People are homeschooling regardless The amount of families who are homeschooling has grown exponentially over the last 10 years

My numbers may be a little off, but I believe around 10 years ago roughly 1 .7

million Children were being homeschooled in the United States and that number has grown to over 20 million in just 10 years

North Carolina being the leading state for homeschooling and you know

In complete transparency 10 years ago. I would have had a negative viewpoint on homeschooling but I have met so many families that their heart is in the right place and they're they're really trying hard to be able to give their kids exactly what they need and What they in Setting the standard how they feel like it should be set and I feel like they should have that control and I really battled with that because I have worked with the public school system for so long and I love the public school system that My heart's there

But I think as an educator, I truly believe God is leading me to not

To not narrow down who we support If Parents choose to homeschool or send their children to a private school.

I would like to be Support there to help them still have that control over the setting of their child's education and the child not fall behind because of that And yeah,

I think you can you can disagree with me but I would think we would say that God can equip God can equip he can equip those who desire to do it and he can send on tools

Absolutely, I just want to be a tool. That's right. That's right So anything else we kind of bled over into this the second question

Anything else that you would like to say about how is this a preventative approach or what is the preventative approach look like?

from an encompass learning perspective So the preventative approach that encompassed learning is going to focus on is

Are there gaps? Can we target what those gaps are and which

Avenue are the parents comfortable taking to help close those gaps? So would they like coaching on how to teach their child?

Phonological awareness or would they like someone else in the form of a tutor to do that?

So there's there's lots of different avenues Gotcha I'm going to try not to to throw you off and ask you things that are not on here

But but as you talk, of course questions are coming to mind and so what one of the first questions that come to my mind when you're talking about this is

So we're talking about preventative approach to learning. We're talking about educating children and holes gaps all those things that we potentially see in education of a child so By what standard

If you're saying you're inevitably saying that there's there's a standard that you're looking at that that they should be at What standard are you are you looking at to say?

Oh, there's a gap here there. We need to Seek some preventative tools here

Because we're looking at this standard and that that is a tricky question because everyone has their own viewpoint on And that's a that's the reason a lot of parents homeschool is because of the standard that is set in the public schools

But there's a lot of science behind that as well There's a lot of science of how behind how the brain develops and when things are developmentally appropriate so my belief is that Students do develop at their own rate

So by the time a child is seven eight years old, they should have strong Phonological awareness, they should have strong number sense

There are milestones developmentally developmentally that they should have hit with literacy and with number sense

Just like they should have hit milestones with their speech or their motor skills

And so I really look at the science behind that there's a large body of research called the science of reading it's 50 years worth of reading research and It really goes into how our brains work

To learn how to read and write So that's part of what I would look at and really looking at those standards on when when children should learn things

Now if a child is ten year old ten years old and they haven't mastered that that would be a large gap if a child is

Six and they haven't mastered phonological awareness. That's that's a different story they they may just be developing in a different way, but it could be lack of exposure too because parents

Parents don't always know what they don't know and and there's nothing wrong with that because like you said god can equip and god can provide tools and I feel like my calling is to be one of those tools

Right, right and so with a having a standard in mind the the flip side of that which would be an advantage to encompass learning and approaching the homeschoolers approaching the private school charter schools

When you're in a larger classroom setting You don't always get to Take into consideration the individual child and so you have your standard but on the flip side you have your individual child and their their abilities their um, some are more geared toward math some are more geared toward science and so it seems like you there's an advantage here to encompass learning where you can also take advantage or Look at those individual needs there would be very individualized plans

Of curriculum and instruction to help support those students That's fantastic.

So in your opinion Why do parents need to take control of their children's education for far too long

Responsibility for children's education has been placed solely on the public school system Now don't get me wrong our public school system, especially here in Lincoln County, it it is fantastic um

The educators are the stakeholders with Lincoln County schools. They work tirelessly, which you know, they work very hard and they are fantastic um, but parent involvement

Parent involvement is is a shortcoming to a child's education. It creates obstacles

That educators can't always overcome And so when I say that parents need to take control of their education whether their child is in public school home school private school

Or charter school a parent needs to be involved um I firmly believe that at any point in time a parent should be able to answer where their child is academically

What does their child need to work on? They should be aware of what the gaps are. They should be reading with their child

Regularly they should be counting going down the road Um orally doing math problems.

There should be involvement there just like there is everywhere everywhere else in life

Um parents are the first teachers that a child has from the moment a child is born

Parents are teaching their kids. They're teaching them how to walk. They're teaching them how to make sounds how to eat with a spoon um, just because they start kindergarten does not mean that responsibility stops and so Some parents understand that and some parents

Want to take control of their child's education in the form of homeschooling And I think they should be able to do that if that is what works best for their family

And they're willing to put in the work and investigate the best Pathways for their kid or children so i'm sure this is going to be one of the highlights of your

Your career now, of course and in your career to come But Practically, what will you be doing with the child?

and the child gets it and What what's involved in encompassed learning where?

It's going to promote confidence and love for learning in a child and and And then you see the light bulb come on and their eyes open wide

How do you how do you see that working? Everyone loves to to learn new things when

When someone comes up against an obstacle That they're not sure how to overcome

By human nature. We automatically put up an emotional roadblock to that most of the time

And it's no different with a child except a child doesn't Is not necessarily equipped with the tools to overcome that on their own um, if we're speaking

Instructional best practices targeted instruction that helps Focus on whatever whatever goal

I set with the parents. So when a parent contacts me, they may tell me

They may tell me okay sally, I believe she has um, she's having trouble with double digit addition with regrouping

Okay, that's that's a common obstacle that kids face in a lot of ways And It's easy through a series of diagnostic assessments of screeners to assess where exactly the gap may lie and Assess that target it and develop a plan

So generally when you develop a plan you run that intervention for six to eight weeks And you you use the data to drive to drive your plan.

Is it working? Do we need to try something different? And and generally when a student can get targeted instruction with fidelity

What they need when they need it you're going to see that growth and you're going to see it quickly And I imagine one -on -one

With the intensity that we would be able to do it through encompass learning. It would happen fairly quickly

Think about a rope. Um There's something called scarborough's reading rope and I apply this in a lot of different areas in my life

But when you think about how a rope Um starts to come undone if one area of the rope is frayed it unravels the whole thing um, you can have a child who is reading fluently

And You think wow, they are a fantastic reader But if there's this one gap in a foundational skill that they skipped eventually it's going to cause that rope to unravel

So it's really important that proficiency in all of the base skills are met Um, so really targeting that honing in and helping guide parents in understanding the components that build those foundational skills

So basically the the stronger they feel The more excited they're going to be they are

They love to be successful kids love to make themselves proud. They love to make their parents proud

They they want to be able to do those things now when confidence starts becoming an issue

That's where kids start to struggle even more because when their confidence starts to waver

They start to look at well, i'm not good enough. My parents aren't feeling like i'm doing this, right? There's so much that goes into that and You add peer pressure on top of that and 20 other things in the classroom and it it it adds to it and it can be

So damaging So hoping to negate that as much as possible

Right, right and you and and tie it strengthen up those phrase make that rope strong praise the lord so in These are some of the services that you're going to provide

So in in layman's terms for somebody like me who doesn't speak educational lingo And and doesn't maybe understand all the all the words that you're using tonight academic diagnostics and problem solving explain that in layman's terms so a parent comes to me and a parent says

I don't know what's wrong I know we're behind but that's all I know I've maybe i've dropped the ball.

Maybe we haven't done what we need to do Help me figure out where we're at So that is when

I would run a full gambit of diagnostic to see exactly where their child lands in reading and math specifically

Um, and then we would go from there About parent coaching.

What do you mean by that? So You figure out where the issue is we figure out where the gap is where the student's struggling

Maybe the parent doesn't want tutoring Maybe the parent wants to still do it themselves, but they don't feel equipped

To teach their child. They've tried it one way. They've tried it two ways and their child's still not getting it We would help coach the parent in other methods for best instructional practices to give them that Power to put that power back in their hand to be able to teach their child academic advising

So when we're looking at academic advising um, especially in the homeschool setting

Students grow at different rates in all areas. So I know one student for instance

Um at my church who in reading and he's he's 10 in reading. He's in a high school level

Um, but in math he's exactly where he should be so they're in they're in different areas. So when you start to When you're 10 years old and you're reading at a high school level fluency wise the comprehension

May not necessarily be there. So sometimes parents They they don't want to get a book that is too simple for them to read

But then when they get the books that are the level that it says they should be for instance Then the comprehension is just not developmentally appropriate

So when it comes to academic coaching looking at the curriculum that the parents are using and help them match that with the child's abilities

Okay This is a pretty familiar word, but tutoring. What does that look like from the encompass learning perspective?

So from from the encompass learning perspective I am wanting to empower other educators to use the strength that strengths that they have and the leadership skills that they have to Work with these students so it will not solely be me

There's there's our community has a set of powerful educators That have really honed their skill and their high quality in what they do

Um, and the goal with encompass learning is to help those educators find avenues

To fulfill their calling to an even greater extent And then the last one you you gave me to look at was curricular planning

So curricular planning is a lot like the academic advising some families do not

Use a specific curriculum They copy and paste from different areas and sometimes that can be great, but sometimes that can leave gaps in the curriculum of those foundational skills of those parts of the rope that the child will need and the parents just kind of They accidentally skip over that So, um, i'm actually a licensed curriculum and instruction specialist, so that's one of the things that um that's one of my strengths is being able to look at a curriculum and Help people figure out the places the gaps in that curriculum.

So coaching parents through that as well Yeah I think you've

By answering these other questions, of course, it bleeds into all these others and you you've touched on on this question

But and i'm sure that you wouldn't be taking this different avenue if you didn't see a need

And so what gaps? Are you seeing? How can encompass learning?

Fulfill those gaps resolve these issues. Why are you Going about this this avenue with encompass learning so in america

There's a large I can't tell you the exact number, but there's a large number of adults who are functionally illiterate and do not have the mathematical skills to to fully

Have access to the opportunities in our society um to be full participating members of our society and Public schools can't do that all on their own.

It is it takes a village. It's a community effort and when You have that gift of of teaching then

Much like preaching I think it when when you're called to do that You're going to do that to the best of your ability and it's not limited to one school building um, or just one area

Of your community you should you should reach out and do that to the best of your ability. And so Gaps in education for all ages is really what drives me um if A 24 year old were to come to me and say okay

My reading is not as strong as I want it to be encompass learning would totally help with that.

So the gap The gap is not just with students the the gap that encompass learning

Strives to stand in is the gap That any human would have academically and Help them fulfill that so they can live their life to the greatest potential

And so that they can fulfill their true calling So your heart is not just for for children.

Your heart is for everybody You're you're not just trying to help children get read on a certain grade level

Your heart is for adults as well. I would really like to grow encompass learning to encompass everyone um,

I would eventually like to grow it into I would like to have a branch that is more of a prison ministry

Um that focuses on the academics. I would like to have a branch that works with english language learners um anyone

That you know that confidence that word confidence You can have a lack of that at any age

Um, i'm gonna tear up because i'm so passionate about this If you can equip someone

With the ability to read fluently and do that with confidence You change their life

How many people? In this world do not pick up the bible because they're afraid they're not going to understand it

And If I can do if I can teach one person One thing that helps close a gap that helps raise their confidence enough that maybe they will pick up that bible or maybe they will pick up a

Children's book to read to their own child Um, and it just starts it starts a whole domino effect.

It's just it it's all encompassing Christians have been educators for centuries

We we've wanted to have the bible in our own language. We wanted to be able to read it for ourselves

We wanted to teach our children and we've taught our children with the bible um even in early america, we use the bible as and taught the bible and Christians have been educators for a long time and and you you're following in the footsteps uh of great men and women who who are believers who are educating children and and men and women and uh

We want to praise the lord for that. So so thank you for that. This next one is To me, it's a difficult question

Okay, it's a hard question Because many people struggle with it, but they probably don't talk about it.

Um i'm sure that well I I know. Um I'm, pretty confident

That you had to struggle with this um your calling Because you've got to take into consideration

The job that you have you've got to take taking consideration your family Um all these things that you have taken consideration and you you're going to uproot all that and change your career um, so Tell us a little about a little bit about how you dealt with that calling

And and battled with that prayed about that and and come to the conclusion about making a change in your life and then maybe encourage someone else who is is dealing with calling about um

Struggling with where they are, but it's it's not fulfilling because they don't feel like it's

Really where god would have them to be? Uh, maybe a word of encouragement to them About a year ago

God started dealing with my heart Um, i'm a very busy person. I've became known as being a busy person

And I have two small children Until tuesday. I was still a grad student

Um, my husband and I run a small business that I inherited from my father And we're waiting on another adoption.

So there's just there's so many irons in the fire and and I work for my church. Um So many irons in the fire and about a year ago

Um, god really started dealing with me and I started feeling less fulfilled. I started feeling like okay

I'm, not comfortable in my skin. I'm not comfortable where i'm at which was very strange because Anyone who's known me for the last 15 years knows how passionate

I had been about my career um And so I really started praying about this and praying about okay, if my purpose is changing god

I need you to really be loud and clear here because My nature is to fight against it.

Um Never once in my life have I other than with adoption

I can't think of another time in my life that god has really asked me to completely step out blindly in faith and over the last year things have just lined up in our personal lives that have really made it clear that I was going to That that god was asking me to step down from my career um

At one point. I feel like he very clearly told me. Okay, you have made this career your identity

And that is where you went wrong Because that is not your identity. Your identity is in christ and from that moment forward

I just started praying for discernment I started praying daily for discernment.

Show me what you want me to do. Um everything has lined up to show me that Taking a step back from my career that I love so terribly much

Is the right thing to do for my family. It's the right thing to do for my boys um

But he also laid it on my heart, okay That doesn't mean that your story's over as an educator um the church position

Wasn't something that I had sought after Um, it found me and I was going to do it temporarily

But it has totally filled my bucket as an educator and as a leader to help to help others in the church serve and Serve in our children's ministry.

I've never done anything in ministry until last June when I started this position and It's it's a whole new world.

It's a scary world. There's a lot of pressure that I put on myself there um, but God has really helped me see it through and so As of the end of this school year,

I will be stepping down as assistant principal um for the school system

When I do go back in the future, it will be in the classroom I'm, definitely an educator at heart

Um, I have to I have to be with the kids But in the meantime i'm going to see where where encompass learning goes and where God takes me with encompass learning and in this season of stepping out in blind faith because this is

This is not me. I feel like i'm on a ride That i'm not controlling at all, which um

I think all humans can probably agree with this not feeling in control can be scary but In this situation,

I know who's in control and I have full faith that he's going to work it out for my good Yeah you

You caused me to think about a verse trust in the lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding In all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct the path

That reminds me a lot of that verse there's a verse that um Our pastor has been preaching through first samuel and there is a verse that I had read through first samuel several times over the last few months

And then the other night I was I was reading through it and something else just kind of Stood out to me and it's completely out of context

But it was one of those moments where I feel like god was like, okay There's another point of discernment for you and it's first samuel 12 16

Now therefore stand still and see this great thing that the lord will do before your eyes

And I feel like he was very clearly just saying all right step back just watch what I can do Just just step back and watch

So, yes, it's it's really exciting and Really scary, but to know that i'm i'm i'm in god's will is a very fulfilling fulfilling thing.

And so I would I would ask anyone who's unsure about anything pray

Pray if you feel like god is pushing you towards something You have to have that conversation with him

Don't listen to the world because you can very very easily be influenced one way or the other by the world

But you have to spend time In prayer have to spend time with him

Quiet time good quality intentional time listening as well To really know what he wants from you and what he wants you to do and when you do that It's it's freeing and it's fantastic Yeah So here's my last question for you and and we can

We can educate people But they're still ultimately you know an after a god that we have to face and So as a believer as a christian the these two questions at the end aren't either or you can answer them whichever one best fits um your your direction, but How does this endeavor with encompass learning?

How do you see it growing the kingdom or? How do you feel like you're going to be honoring christ in this endeavor in this ministry sure, so My goal as a christian.

Um Jesus he tells us very plainly go out and make disciples tell everyone about me

Um, and one way that I truly believe we're called to do that is through love And to show

I call it the christ -like light Um, you've probably met someone along the way.

Um, I feel like you are one of these people that i'm about to talk about that When you meet someone and you see the light of christ

Just in their actions in their words in how they carry themselves and how they handle themselves and how they conduct business um

In their servant heart in the way that they serve others and I think that is the key to how encompass learning can help minister

To the lost is by serving them Find find a need

Meet them where they are and and serve that need help them Help them grow have those conversations build the relationships um

That is what's going to leave a lasting impression on them and I just pray that when

When it's over they see christ and maybe it it just gives them that little bit of Okay Maybe this is something i'm i'm interested in or i've got questions

And I hope with encompass learning we can help with that So the exciting part if somebody is interested

Do you have a way for them to? Contact you and get in touch with you find out more about encompass learning

So I do so we have a facebook page which is encompass learning and there is a google form link on the facebook page where um

People who are interested or have more questions can talk contact me through the google link They can also email me my email address is on there and I can actually um my phone number

For encompass learning is 704 6 2 2 1 3 3 8 and we are free to take your calls monday through friday

Fantastic. Praise the lord So dr. Fonseca I'm, very thankful that you were willing to to come on here and do this.

I think this is exciting. I think this is What what god would have in his world and instead of the separation that we brought between ourselves?

um i'm seeking hopefully to bring Christianity back into all areas of our life and and you're doing that as well

Uh where where christianity and education? Have maybe been at odds in the past We've thought of them as separate things tonight.

We've we've tried to bring them back together And with with the heart of of that message, uh, the last thing that we want to leave you with of course is

That we would strongly encourage you if you do not know jesus christ as your lord and savior That you would seek him while he may be found

We have all missed the mark. We've all sinned which is trespassing or breaking god's law um, the one of the marks of a christian is

Selflessness serving others The opposite of that is just living for yourself

And we can all look at ourselves and see which direction our life is pointing are we living for ourselves?

Does it not bother us? The sin that's in our lives Or are we burdened?

by our sins It's the holy spirit giving you a burden for your sins that you you know, it's wrong.

You know, it's against god in in dr. Fonseca's case She has given her life to her her family her children

In in in service and in in ministry to the church and to to education and bringing the lord

And sharing christ in in all those areas it's It's a life of selflessness and so to me it's obvious it's a mark of the holy spirit working in her life and There is a time where we will all have to face god.

It's it's a reality And so we would encourage you to seek christ He calls all men everywhere to repent of their sins and put their faith and trust in jesus christ

Do that And then seek a local church get in your bible and study it

And uh, we'll be praying for you. Let us let us know that you you watch tonight Share the program be praying for our ministries and and dr.

Fonseca's new endeavor um, we're so thankful for your support and again Amy, i'm i'm so thankful that you come on Thank you for watching