Cultish: Aaron Rodgers, Ayahuasca, & The Divine Feminine

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Now back to the episode. All right, welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen to part three I can't believe we meet

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I didn't wasn't expecting to do a part three, but here we are. We were back with Will Spencer good to have you back man.

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It's good to be back. Thanks. Good and I am once again riding solo and Andrew is currently doing some super sleuthing up on seventh -day

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Adventism. So Depending on when this drops versus that drops just so, you know, sometimes things intersect depending when

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I release them All right. So that being said this is part three of our conversation. We are gonna be focusing here on this episode kind of talking about Sort of the cultural zeitgeist.

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We're gonna be doing some analyzing of what we're seeing in the culture right now. That's very congruent

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With your testimony what you came out of like what you're what you came out of what you got delivered from Is now being normalized on an unprecedented scale?

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Yes so we're gonna be analyzing a podcast by someone by the name of Aubrey Marcus and He is this is a podcast where he's talking with Aaron Rodgers he is the

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MVP multiple times Super Bowl champion quarterback of the Green Bay Packers and Yeah, so just real quickly explain it for anyone who doesn't know who explain who

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Aubrey Marcus is Aubrey Marcus is the founder of a popular supplements and fitness company called on it.

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So we're drinking some of the brain Fans of the products kettlebells big fitness, you know guy

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Connected very closely to Joe Rogan who I think everyone probably knows Massively popular worldwide podcast host and he's big into a lot of this

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Eastern mysticism new age kind of spirituality and and he talks very openly about it and hosts many many different guests on his podcast were

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Authors and you know various participants in this world and recently he didn't Excuse me didn't interview with Aaron Rodgers the

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Super Bowl MVP so we'll win a quarterback and who also now participates in this world and I listen to this podcast and Took some notes on it as some things that they're talking about that.

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I think are worthy of worthy of pointing out Yeah, and that in fact, I'll be Marcus was in his Instagram.

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He had posted some highlights of him He was that Burning Man as well, too. Oh, I believe it. So, you know,

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I mean imagine my shot Of course, he'd be there given everything that we talked about. So, yeah, let's go Let's just go ahead and jump into that.

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I listened to a good majority of the podcast this morning There are already things that just popped up. They're just worldview.

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You know, you become familiar with The original you can kind of detect the counterfeit

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Let's go. What's the first clip that you observed with Aaron Rodgers talking with Aubrey Marcus and then we'll break it down Yeah, before we start it

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I just want to say one thing like I have massive respect for both these guys what they've accomplished Personally and professionally like it's no joke to get a

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Super Bowl MVP and oh, yeah multiple seasons And it's no joke to start and grow a company in a podcast like that So what both of these men have accomplished will say physically financially materially

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Let's say, you know obviously worthy of respect and to see their friendship and their connection very sincere and open and generous is also really wonderful and All those things can be true and they can still be wrong about some aspects of reality and theology

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But be asking the right questions and moving in the right direction. Oh, yeah for sure. And like I said, we're taking Alpha brain, right, which is a product of on it, which is

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I don't think maybe he did he depart from the company? I can't remember. I think he probably sold it.

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I think he sold the company Yeah, so but he was very directly involved and I actually found out about him by way of on it and even he would am you would image

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God in the sense that he's Creating products services that people consume that people enjoy that actually help benefit people.

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So even he's vicariously emulating what it means to be in the image of God to love one's neighbor by a way of how he is really using a

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System of economics that cause that comes from a Christian worldview. Yeah Like a proverb says people who curse those that hold back the grain, but there's a blessing on the head of him who sells it

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So he's doing it something on some level that is God honoring in a sense of selling products and services Aaron Rodgers, like I said, he is very gifted.

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Yeah talented He's using the body that God made him to be able to really perform on a very high level highest level

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He just doesn't give the glory to God, right, which is really part of the whole

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To a one is in worldview. It's worshiping the creation rather than the Creator Yes and I think they're both very sincere in their search for truth as I was right and I think a lot of people find their way into this world a lot of men and women look look into this world with very sincere and very good intentions for personal transformation and and they go looking for Truth and it's not so much that they get into it.

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It's that they fail to leave it It's that it's that it's a stop on the journey and and it becomes this

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This totalizing worldview that needs to be escaped for reasons that I think we're gonna talk about and as we jump in again

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We're not this is not we're not attacking them personally. Oh, yeah, this is not there. This is not about their character

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We're just looking at this is their worldview What are they saying and then we are going to critique it one by scripture, but also challenge and look at it

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How do we respond as Christians through a one that they're viewing it through one ism? We're viewing it through two ism

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So I'm really excited to see where we go with this. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah So this first clip

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I'll be Marcus is talking about his his first ayahuasca experience The first one ever which

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I think might be the first time he talks about it on air and he says he says some things That I think are worthy of pointing out So I'll just go ahead this is the part where he talks about the tree when you slide it down the tree

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He's lying down the tree. Yeah, just so you know to this. Oh, yeah, what he does talk about is a bit graphic It's graphic and then gives us this is the curtain.

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This is also indicative of the crazy nature of Ayahuasca trips.

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Yeah, so again if you have little ones in the room or if you have people with sensitive ears Just be wary that you might want to pause it and maybe

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View it at another time. So just be aware of that as we as we play this clip Yeah, the the imagery he uses graphic the language maybe a little bit but not so much.

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Yeah, so so yeah We'll go ahead and play this right now. It's important You know like one person's path is not another person's path.

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There is not a one -size -fits -all medicine as you said, so with that being said for me,

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I mean the Did I ever tell you properly the first the first story of me doing ayahuasca?

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I'll tell it. I'll tell it quickly. So I'm with Maestro Orlando el dragón de la selva who you know and we'll get to that story because we shared an ayahuasca journey

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This year as well, which was unbelievably powerful with maestro Orlando my very first shaman

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We go in this this small hut and there's no co -facilitators or anybody who speaks

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English It's just Orlando and then we're in like the in the deep jungle

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Orlando and then there's like ten other people because there was a bunch of different There's three different shamans they could choose from and they basically said about Orlando This is the dragon.

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It's the most intense medicine and You know, if you want to go there just be mindful

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It's gonna be fucking gnarly and it's like only like ten people out of the sixty that were there at this retreat showed up for him

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Dragons from the start. It's like my whole life Dragon dragon guy easy choice.

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We go there and It was the most harrowing

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Experience. Well, not the I've had plenty of harrowing experiences since but it brought me through every possible way that I could die

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First of all, there was bugs crawling into my eyes Crawling in my eyes laying eggs and exploding out my eyeballs

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Eating my eyes and exploding out my eyeballs and brain and I was like I mean I'd done enough psychedelics to be in the witness and allow perspective like alright.

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Alright just witnessing I'm watching a horror movie where I'm the fucking victim here and I'm just gonna watch it though This is uncomfortable, but I'm gonna watch it, you know, and then there was eels that started they did this thing

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They had like a they had like a mouth with teeth and they like burrowed into my sides Into my ribs and into my belly and started eating my organs from the inside out like spinning spinning around so they're like a saw like a circular saw that was like trying to extract a tube and They're eat going inside and just going wild like eating all of my organs

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I was like, that's fucking horrific and I was like, alright I'm cool with that and like I can handle that and then the worst one was well, not the worst the second worst one

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I was naked fully naked and I was bear hugging like I was climbing a palm tree, you know

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Except it was filled with thorns It was one of the thorns like that have the spikes the barotes the spikes in the in the

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Amazon and I was Sliding down it like a fireman pole naked and the vine the

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Spikes were just ripping up my genitals like ripping me from like asshole the belly button just spikes like coming through and I'm like That's fucking rude.

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And that wasn't the worst. That wasn't the worst and then it was like and because my uncle had

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Lymphoma, so cancer was like present and it was like, okay, you've passed those tests

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But sorry to tell you you got cancer and you're gonna die. I was like, no, that's what got me

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I was like, no way. No way. I started feeling my glands and I was like fucking no way No way, like I can't

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I resisted it resisted it and right in that point of resistance the woman next to me she

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Pukes not in her bucket, but on my feet right on right on my feet

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So I was on my socks and on the mat and everything. I'm like you gotta be fucking kidding me here So I'm like doing that dealing with this

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Revelation that ayahuasca told me I had cancer. I was like, this is fucking this is brutal and meanwhile

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Orlando's just in the middle of the room sending this spiral of white snakes up to the up to the heavens like this just big column of light and energy just swirling and I was like, whoa and Then the woman next to me gets stuck in a loop and in the loop she was in she keeps going

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I can't tell if I actually shit my pants or I imagine I shit my pants 30 minutes straight

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I can't tell if I actually shit my pants or imagine I shit my pants and Orlando didn't speak hardly any

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English He's got a little bit of English now Not much. He didn't understand anything.

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So everybody's calling for help trying to explain to him what's going on and He's like, I don't fucking know.

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So he just kept singing Icarus. So I'm just dealing with this and then finally I was like fuck it if I got cancer and that's my path and that's what

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I have to deal with So be it and if I die, so be it like I even then

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I knew that I'd lived a life where I'd lived like I'd loved I'd lived I'd fought I'd cried

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You know, I'd lived as a poet lived and that was always my moniker the warrior poet I'd lived with a poet's heart which opens the heart and all the feeling centers to feel

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So I was like, okay, and then it was just like, you know The scene where a wah wraps up, you know

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Jake in all of those spindles of light and just pulls him down into the ground and I just felt held by Gaia and Just like held and nestled and then

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I was like you don't have cancer silly You're so healthy and we love you and you're always held.

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I was like, ah, ha ha ha ha. Thank you But that that was the first of those three journeys and I had crazy

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Visions of alien ships beaming light under my tongue and another flotilla of snakes like pulling pulling, you know

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Pulling energy out and then I popped into this other dimensional reality where I felt like I could manipulate

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You know my own health and manipulate future timelines Real quickly the one thing that made me my hair stand on end as someone who's on the outside Looking in who's never ingested that this stuff you identify it a lot more

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Yeah, the fact that he referred to the very end ayahuasca as a person. Mm -hmm Yeah, yeah that that stuck out to me

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Definitely if there's a red flag emoticon for sure. What are your immediate thoughts when you see this now?

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So you're in Christ now. This was your world. You did this back to back to back to back What do you see?

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What do you see in all this? It's it's really hard to listen to that Because that is that's that's abuse

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If if if a person a real actual embodied person were to sit we're to sit

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Aubrey Marcus down in a chair and strap him down and hold him down and then Level verbal abuse at him for like hours because he says this woman's talking about, you know for 30 minutes

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She's caught in this loop, right? So then it took him through all the different ways that he was going to die all these objectively horrific terrifying ways right like this is this is like which would horrify any of any person and I look at that and what it sounds to me is

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This the spirit was poking him in different places till it could terrify him and finally got him and then when it's got him

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Whole held down berating him and then when he's finally terrified, it's like it's okay. We love you, right?

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That's Stockholm syndrome. That's your you're you're a captive. You're a captive You're being subject to all these horrible things and then when it's finally got you it's like, okay, okay

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I'm scared like and then it's like no you're gonna be okay And then that release of affection like oh, oh the abuser flipping things around in a double bind like, okay, then

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I love you That's that's classic abuse classic Stockholm syndrome if some if a woman or a person were to be doing that to him in person he'd be horrified at that if a man were

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To do that to a woman or anyone else. They'd be horrified at that if we were to see that in real life But somehow in an ayahuasca trip, that's okay

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But that's all right that you're stuck seeing these horrific visions of your own death And when you finally reach the point of most terror that it's like you're gonna be fine

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Mm -hmm, like that's that's I listened to this and I was and I was shocked Yeah I was shocked in that and that he's laughing it off and that's the thing is that experiences like this can be laughed off Until you see them for what they are until you see it as I look back now and I can see the things that I went through is like demonic persecution and and when you finally give in Then you get then you get the good stuff and that's and then that that loyalty bond is formed because you've released me from the torment

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And that's hostage taking that's Stockholm syndrome No, isn't it? Also a lot of people.

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I mean he kind of mentions at the end that the byproduct was not being afraid of death Mike Tyson has been very outspoken of his use as well to Psychedelics and Now he has no fear of death like whatsoever

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But as a byproduct, you don't know Christ like I think about when it says in Hebrews how Christ has delivered us

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Like from the fear of death like they're trying to vicariously trying to find

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Freedom from the fear of death through this plant like through the ceremony like on some level.

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Mm -hmm Yeah, I mean like the the idea of the idea of confronting your own mortality

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I think is I think it's a good thing for people to do and it definitely lets high -achieving men kind of push the edge right because Some aspect of ourselves always holds holds us back from doing the thing that we want to do whether it be

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Whether it be like skydiving, right? that's why people go skydiving to confront their own mortality or not being afraid to talk to a pretty girl at the bar or at church is a

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Sense of fear of death and overcoming your own fear of death and your own mortality is a way to step forward in your life

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Right. Yeah, and again, this is the whole ayahuasca mentality about living your best life, right? So if you confront the material fear of death, then you can achieve higher in your own material life

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And that's the end of the discussion but there's no and so that it ignores the whole notion of an afterlife that we should be afraid to physically actually die

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Because we'll meet judgment now that idea of judgment God's law sin is not part of this

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New Age world, right? And the only way they do that is through one ism, but that's another conversation Yeah, hey everyone if you are watching us right now on Apology of Studios YouTube channel

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I? want to also paraphrase to a lot of Some of you may be a little bit shooken up by the fact that we just played that clip

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I was when I heard it. Yeah, I'm editing including, you know, his expletives as well to one

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They're heathens, I can't expect any less of them they're just being who they are Or they're just they're not they're unregenerate.

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There's that but this These ceremonies I want to just or take actually hold on.

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I Don't want to I don't want to say they're heathens. Yeah, it's probably yeah, I don't feel right Just in case anyone else is listening in.

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Yeah, it's a little bit too. It's a little too. Howdy -towdy. Yeah All right, three two one

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So What bothers me or maybe maybe troubles me? Is that actually no hold on and if for anyone listening in we're gonna play this will be the actual clip

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So, all right, three two one So I know I want to address something an elephant in the room real quickly.

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We just played this video beginning to end Unedited now the wild now that wall while that might be troublesome for some of you

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I think what's important to realize that what's the bigger conversation the bigger part of this is that this is the normalization

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This is being normalized. This would have been exclusive to tribes somewhere in South America where just very very minimal like out in the middle of nowhere and now this is being

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Normalized the this is somebody who's an NFL quarter. They're in copy. I'll be Marcus's in conversation with Aaron Rodgers.

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Who's the MVP Super Bowl quarterback for the Green Bay Packers and he's and now this

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Conversation is being talked about analyzed on ESPN. Mm -hmm So I'm sorry like you can't avoid this discussion and we have to be able to analyze it and see and Realizing not only do we need to have answers for it but there's gonna be a lot of people who go into these ayahuasca trips are gonna experience horrific things and We're gonna be there picking up the pieces like anybody who's aspiring to be a pastor

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You're gonna be talking to people who are dealing with legitimate

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Spiritual trauma from having to go through it. He's ascribing jokingly. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's really it's really real and He's he's he can laugh it off, right?

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But people experience stuff like that all the time that they can't just laugh off right in in that And you said something really important You said that people from the

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West are going down from America and from Europe are going down to South America to participate in these indigenous

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Practices. Yeah that are usually that people from America usually go down there to treat aspects of depression and anxiety and fulfillment, right?

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Western particularly Western modern problems. I actually asked at the retreat center I went to what this is used for within these tribal communities and they don't because they don't deal with issues of personal fulfillment

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This is used for to heal, you know It's conflict between neighbors or what the shamans are really interested in dealing with is like demonic possession

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That's the thing that gets them really excited They see all these Westerners coming down to talk about their modern Western problems of anxiety and depression

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But down there this is used for like demonic possession stuff Like it's not it's not a technology meant for meant for fulfillment fulfillment

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Like yeah, it can lead to personal reconciliation which they talk about in the same But like it's not there.

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It's not for what it's being used for Yeah, and just to listen to this like on my own on that same retreat, you know

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I've seen pretty horrific things on these journeys like over the course of those seven ceremonies over 12 nights

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I saw like if we're talking about the world of spirit, right? and the world of spirit is at least in these visions was as complex as the world of the world of animals like you see

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Amoebas and then you see like caterpillars and fish and insects and right? Yeah, this all the way up the levels of complexity humans

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I saw in these journeys like levels of complexity of dark creatures that were feeding on energy yeah, right so all the way from like an amoeba around like a heat vent because I'm just a source of energy up to things that were like actively trying to prey on me and I had to keep myself they give you techniques to keep yourself cleansed with like Agua de florida, which is this you know

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And then like my pacho tobacco and techniques to keep yourself energetically clean But those things are those things are real like to be demonically persecuted in that world is real

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And so to hear that he's being so persecuted and being shown all these horrific aspects of his own death and being forced to experience that terror and then when the terror is removed for him that I Would call the trauma bond like oh, it's like that's bad

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If we had that if we heard that in any other context, we'd be horrified but in this it's like a joke It's like no, this is no joke.

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Yeah What and it's all it was wild to just as we jump on to the next clip just one last observation is that when you look

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At the medicine that came out of the Western world like the last 100 years a lot of allopathic medicine

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Yeah, a lot of us come from a Christian worldview. And so when you see somebody like even for example, like Rand Paul who's also a doctor like he goes and he's a cataract surgeon

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Like he'll go do this humanitarian trips and and all of a sudden will help, you know 100 people in one day because he's that good and that proficient you see how

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Westernized medicine at least the last 100 years that comes from a Christian worldview has blessed the entire world When you see a lot of components of this

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Eastern components people are now trying to bring those things like into the Western world and then you're seeing as a byproduct a lot of These things as a consequence, right?

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exactly And this is this is the level of discernment that needs to be shown because there are benefits to holistic health

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Practices right right to recognizing that the mind and the body this Gnostic idea is false and that the mind

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Influences the body and the body influences the mind and by healing the mind you can heal the body Those things are just true.

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They talk about the placebo effect. That's a real thing But the problem is that what they bring along with it Yeah The caboose that's hitched on to this is this onest worldview right right and and so that a lot of people aren't able to make

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That discernment they throw out all of Western society and Western medicine because obviously it's become predatory on so many people as we've as we've seen that doesn't mean you throw out the entire

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Western philosophy with it and and and that conversation needs to be had of like what things of Holistic medicine are true and what things come bring that what ideology rides along with it.

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That isn't being questioned Oh, yeah. I mean, I definitely have plenty of issues with them the medical industrial

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Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I could be a cultist episode in of itself. It should be. Um, yeah, but then but even also

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I'm about like I'm 40. I'm 41 and I'm trying to think of ways to Make sure that I'm healthy and long and have health and longevity for as long as I possibly can

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And so yeah, I want to go to sprout I like to go sprouts or whole foods and but even if you walk into those holistic places or like natural grocers like within That you will see ads and flyers.

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Yes some sort of Meditation retreat or something like that all a magazine Even like the worldview between healthy products to mean kombucha is kombucha

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Like but what I was drinking earlier, which might be showing up when the previous episodes it had like had a lotus flower

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Yeah, I had the flower of life sacred geometry symbol. Yeah, exactly So it just that worldviews there and you need to be aware of it for sure.

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That's right It permeates it permeates our the whole natural health and natural healing world Where I did a series of stories on Instagram where I just walked into Whole Foods I just took a bunch of pictures like and you know

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The greeting card section because I was going to buy someone a birthday card. There's Buddha, you know, there's there's namaste

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You know lamas day and then there was a Native American dream catcher and at the checkout line

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There's all these other New Age kind of magazines. And what do you what do you not see? You see you see

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Christ nowhere in that world. It's completely discarded. It's like completely blind to it This this this fetishization of Eastern mysticism that began in the 1960s and we just threw out any notion of Christ in American culture and so we're so saturated in it

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We can't even see it anymore. But once you see it you see it everywhere. Mm -hmm. Gotcha.

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Definitely What do I will come to you got next? so in this next clip Aaron Rodgers is talking about some of the positive aspects of Some of the some of the modalities that is participating in and then immediately goes into the ideology that rides along with it

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So you can hear these things back -to -back. So in other words, you'll see that the worldview is Completely inseparable from What he is doing to improve himself as an athlete as a from his perspective as a man as a person as a man

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Yeah, yeah, you see it slide right into it. It's all sounds good. Let's go the permission slip to do the same and I Think that's part of the reason you came to mind first obviously our connection, but just to see yourself

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As flawed and still love yourself gives permission for everybody else to do the same and it's a vulnerability to go into those emotional moments and Sit with the emotions too.

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I think as men it's so easy to compress them I did it most of my life to repress and compress them into the depths of our being

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Instead of just sitting with them. Mm -hmm. What does this feel like in my body? To be alive is to feel all those emotions

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I think not just the highest of highs and the elation and the joy of you know sports or sex or relationship or love or companionship friendship whatever might be it's to feel the sadness and the regret and the frustration and the depth of all those emotions is what it means to be alive and And That's a gift that you give not just me as a dear friend, but But the people that are in your life and your sphere of influence listen to your podcast

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And that's what we need as men. We need more men willing to to be vulnerable and that's hopefully what

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I can Continue to take to my teammates and and our sport is to open up opportunities to have deep and meaningful conversations to connect to be vulnerable to not have to be

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On the outside, you look like the macho is some macho dudes and you know, although you're not great on the basketball court like, you know

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Hosting your workouts online and on it and everything but on the inside you're a deeply highly sensitive

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Vulnerable human who fucking loves with a humongous heart and that's the modeling that we need the redefining of of the masculine qualities calling in the divine feminine to balance our lives out and to raise up like you do so incredibly well to raise up the women in your life and to give them a platform to speak and to lead and to To set the trajectory for the next the next generations and I think you know

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Somebody loves you a lot. I think I just wanted to say that to you. Thank you, brother yeah,

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I mean I What popped at the very end I think you saw I kind of a reactor that part yet the divine feminine

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That is Something that comes out as a byproduct and there it is

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Yeah, you have an emphasis to me your whole podcast is about rediscovering masculinity given you where you are as a

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Christian There is a stark contrast between the biblical worldview as far as the roles between Masculine and feminine that's a rat and also when you just look at it to ISM It's a radical difference when it comes to one

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ISM So maybe if you could maybe unpack or explain for anyone who doesn't know like how does

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New Age? Ideology like view the masculine feminine they view it through the lens of like duality maybe could you help us translate?

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What he is saying because I mean some people might be kind of hearing bits and pieces but struggling to put it all together

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Mm -hmm, like maybe I help do like a Google translate it as much as you can. Yeah, so So the

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New Age kind of healing world conceives of the masculine and feminine energies

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As needing to come into balance within the individual like as a man you need to raise up your divine feminine to come into balance with your divine masculine and And as a woman you need to bring your divine masculine to raise up in addition to divine feminine

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And we also need to do that society -wide Internationally, so like the world has been dominated by the divine masculine for the past several thousand years basically since the start of You know since Abraham essentially the start of the

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Abrahamic religions is what they say So now we need to bring in the divine feminine to balance it out and need we need to return to a divine feminine

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World and you see the show up in our culture with Hillary Clinton It's her turn right and the force is female is another example of that You know where a lot of these ideas are beginning to be made manifest in the culture forces female isn't the future is female

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That's another one the force. Okay. Yeah, so when when the new Star Wars series came out the it's the sequel trilogy, right?

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Oh, yeah. Yeah with JJ Abrams and all that. Yeah It was it was that bad. I forgot it was even made. That's probably good.

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That's You have like the men in black flash you think flash? Okay So that so so what Kathleen Kennedy who was who was

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I think she was the CEO of Lucasfilm or something like that when that Happened she and her team were producing shirts that said the force is female

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So it's all manifestation of the same divine feminine Rising kind of energy that also comes up when you see talked about Mother Earth Right that we need to save Gaia or Mother Earth You also see it you saw it during kovat when they say you're killing who which he mentions that too, by the way, right?

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So yeah, so when you're when during kovat if you weren't wearing a mask, who were you're killing you were killing grandma, right?

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It shows up in all these different ways So what he's talking about here at the end is bringing up the divine feminine now There's a lot now what made this interview really difficult to listen to is that it's really complicated

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Because there are a lot of things that are going on in that little short clip that are very important So I think it's important that that men do learn to understand their emotions, right?

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Because a lot of men especially high achieving men do do what Aaron Rodgers says which is to suppress their emotions

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So they have a very narrow range of emotions like joy and elation They can't actually experience grief which if you check out the book

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Iron John by Robert Bly again He's he's not a Christian man But he talks very movingly about about men's emotional experience that the doorway to Emotion for men is grief and a lot of men suppress their grief

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So what he's talking about men coming into reconciliation with their emotional nature is very important and what he's talking about men having deep connections

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With each other that he's modeling with Aubrey Marcus is very important And you see you feel that the genuineness of that bond that a lot of men don't feel with other men in their isolation

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But then on the very back end of that you hear what slips in we need to elevate the divine feminine, right?

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You know, we need to we need to that's where the I that's where the worldview slips in where it's like no We need to turn society on its head and put women in charge, right and these things need to be separated

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That's my work, right? And it but even just from I can see the appeal because even from someone like an issue in Aaron Rodgers I mean, he wasn't always into this but when you look at sports medicine or even sports psychology or sports performance there's a level when you're at the top of your game and you throw an

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Incomplete past and you hear 80 ,000 people who are all wearing your jersey go. Oh Then boo but all of a sudden then you make it then you do a completion or you then you throw a touchdown two plays later and the whole crowd's going

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Like how do you? Maintain and not get carried away by the crowd like it feeds into your adrenaline

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Statistically home game the home team wins more than the opposing team And so there is a level and maybe where he finds that appealing.

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But again, he's now Taking this aspect of controlling your emotions with now

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Replacing taking a whole worldview you're you're trying to embrace the divine feminine. That's what kind of caught my attention

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Yeah, so a lot of a lot of high achieving men they get that way because they suppress emotion and one of the demands that's placed on men and has been placed on men throughout history is

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You're supposed to set your emotion aside because you must be available to protect provide and preside for women

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And so your emotional experience as a man is is not important and you see this like when when when the spider you're at home

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Right. The spider is up on the wall Yeah right like no one cares about the emotional experience dad is having dad has to kill the spider or when you're in bed and you

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Hear something go bump in the night. It's like guess what? You're the one getting up and you might be scared But you have to suppress your emotional experience to go down and check out if there's a burglar or if you're working

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You're a deep -sea diver and you're terrified and you're doing this under underwater welding Which is the most dangerous job in the world doesn't matter if you're afraid you're supposed to set this side

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That's the cultural expectation of masculinity that's always been that way, right? But now we live in such a comfortable age that there's more space for men to begin expressing their emotions

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But they don't have fluency with it So our culture doesn't teach men that and so the New Age world is really big on helping men encounter that which

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I think is really Important because men being in touch with their emotions helps them be better husbands partners providers

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Fathers all these things are really important to form an integrated man And so that's that's the nature of my work and that's the journey that I went on The problem is when you start valuing this this inner emotional nature, which he calls a divine feminine

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I don't think emotions are by nature feminine. I think I'm a man. I have emotions as a man I will always experience emotions as a man

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But what he says and what a lot of people do is they overvalue the divine feminine say what we need is more

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Emotion and more emotionality in society We need to elevate men to teach us that and I just don't think that's true

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And that's the ideology that comes with so much of this and you see it manifest in Burning Man in other ways

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I've noticed real quickly and we've just you know to we've got like 20 minutes before we got a close out

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This is I've always noticed when it comes to in the whole world the New Age There is a pony just a component

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Steven stepping outside from these two I'm just men and gender who are involved

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They're effeminate just in the way they act the way that they compose themselves, and I'm not trying to be

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Disparaging it's I think it's just an objective observation the Women are always trying to take on the alpha kind of like masculine

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Yes I am my own goddess role Which is interesting because when I have conversations with X new age

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Especially female X new ages who've actually been the majority of our guests Yeah As soon as they're saved they all they want to do is like be at home be married bake bread

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Be a mom have children nurture them and it's like the quintessential opposite of everything that you're looking for and it's like whoa and I'm like whoa, what is this

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Pendulum like that because even the even in the Christian world that's controversial as far as Complementarianism versus egalitarianism and while we're not a podcast about that that's just an observation

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Especially on the side of women who get saved they swing way over here. Yeah, what do you think about that?

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well I mean The reason why that happens in the church is that these feminist ideas of equality have traveled so far in our culture to the point where like men and women men and women are equal they've taken this notion of like legal and Economic equality into this whole dimension of like we're identical.

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We're the same equality is not sameness, right? And so that that's another part where the ideology shows up And what a lot of women discover is that they haven't enjoyed being the boss, babe

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That they haven't enjoyed stepping up and bullying the men around them and the men themselves this is why

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Christianity is so important to my work as the men discover that they haven't enjoyed being feminine and Submissive and weak and they want to know how can

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I actually authentically step into? masculinity and be reinforced by that by my we might say feel odd by my theology and it just so happens that the only faith

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In the world that I've discovered that accurately models proper and healthy Relations between men and women is in Christianity Which is why women who discover

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Christianity and come to Christ immediately go into this feminine like I want to be a mother and do what

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God designed me to do and Raise children to make a home and men who come into Christianity say I want to provide for a woman and I want to take

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Care of a home in submission to Christ right and to lead a home in a godly way It's a very natural thing, but you don't find in this

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New Age world, which is very much all about balance And here's the trick. The trick is who gets to determine when things are actually balanced

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The person who gets to determine when things are balanced is the woman and if the woman gets to determine when things are finally balanced

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She's the one who's ultimately in charge and that's the trick of this world Is that like who actually says which if if she's the one who finally says when things are balanced enough ultimately, it's not a balance

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It's about will woman being in charge and you see it right there. Yeah. What do we have for the next clip? See, I mean we can talk about the balance masculine and feminine or we can talk about Him having a grievance with God and he says why hast thou forsaken me?

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And we or we can talk about what Aaron Rodgers says what Jesus was saying to Peter everything you've seen me doing more you're capable

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Of and you know, let's just go through the two parts where he uses where he quotes Christianity I'll see if we see if we can impact those as well to in this clip now my understanding is that Aaron Rodgers comes from a

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Christian background and And has since he's since adopted another theological worldview the

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New Age that we've been talking about in this He quotes scripture to reinforce the one is to kind of worldview misquotes scripture paraphrases and sort of and sort of Interprets a couple key events in the

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New Testament as meaning things that they don't actually mean. Hmm. Okay, let's play the clip It's cool to note to recognize the divine in you as long as you recognize the divine in everybody

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That's the key which is kind of what Jesus was saying to Peter when? Jesus is talking to them the disciples about his eminent ascension and and death and leaving the community that he'd established

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Peters, you know, I'm paraphrasing Basically, what are we gonna do when you're gone? Like I want to do these things that you're doing and he basically says

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Everything you've seen me do and more you're capable of Now in the church we often try and set that one aside anytime there's any any you know conversation around the ability to do miraculous things to Acknowledge the divine living in us.

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I mean the whole tearing of the veil Old Testament a New Testament was a

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Marker for us to go. Oh We don't need to go through anybody anymore to experience the divine.

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The divine is in all of us There's no veil between us and divine there's no separation it's the divine living in us and like you said an

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Understanding that it's not just in me and not in you It's in all of us and I start thinking the other way

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That's when the God complex comes on and we start missing the entire is nothing more gross in this life than people who flex their spirituality

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As he flexes his spirituality Yeah, yeah, so just real quickly before I let you comment just so you can realize that what

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Aaron Rodgers is talking about this is the naturopathic outcome pun intended of This worldview by way of him trying to pursue fulfillment in his consumption of primarily ayahuasca

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And now he has sort of tried to syncretize his New Age thinking Using the

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Bible to back that up, right? What do you what do you think about what he said? Yeah, and you know, I I wanted to pick that one because I have a whole a whole

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You know document full of clips that we could have chosen from to go over but I wanted to choose that one because Not not to emphasize, you know, either

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Aaron Rodgers or Aubrey Marcus one more than the other But because I think it's important because he did he did mention scripture there

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Yeah, and and what he's what he's saying there, which is what a lot of New Age people say is

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Mischaracterizing the teachings of Christ to fit it into his worldview, you know And all these things and more you can do like yes, you there'll be signs and wonders and miracles

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But all these things more it's that's not why Jesus came here. He didn't come here to perform signs and wonders

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He came here to die for our sins so that we could be in reconciliation with God. Jesus was God He wasn't a man who came down to work miracles and and gave us signs

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He came to die for all of us in ways that we couldn't do that No man could do for ourselves

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And so that in the discussion of Christ consciousness or Christ being an ascended mass master or whatever that dying for sin gets left out and that's the key point that when you accept that as I have when you accept that faith in Christ that he died and was resurrected and died for your sins

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That's where real peace with God comes from and as long as that message gets slid over to he was just he was just a man

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Who accepted his divine consciousness and did all these wonders as long as that notion of dying for sin gets left out it can kind of reduce the message of Christ to just another man who has the divine in him like Had the divine of all in all of us and that's one ism versus two ism versus the creator

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Condescended into his own creation to bring us into reconciliation with him, which is we are not him and he is not us

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We were separate and he came down as man with the hypostatic Union and God as man at once brought us into reconciliation with him

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Yeah, and but even What's so difficult to understand is that Aaron Rodgers in this clip?

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he's using the veil being torn combined a new and the old the old in the New Testament and what is

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So obvious at least if you if you read Holistically the in the entirety of the

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Bible especially in relation to the Old and New Covenant The veil being torn the whole the whole concept assumes to ism

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There is a gap. There's a gap between the creator in their creation

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Mm -hmm, every single thing that happened in the Old Testament. Let me look at all the different sacrifices. They represented

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Sacrifices that had to be taken to be able to and you had a high priest who had to get like going to the

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Holy of Holies on behalf of God's God's covenant people do you all know because because they were sinners and All that and you look at the

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New Testament the veil was torn Everything has to deal with it. There's a gap between God and man and that came about by the man

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Christ Jesus There's an extinction. There's reconciliation that made everything that's made is to ism And as much as he wants to try and borrow from the

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Christian worldview to kind of bring his idea of One is in the somehow it's about bringing the divine and all of us

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Look at it like read Leviticus like read Deuteronomy. We look at the sacrificial system We look through the book of Hebrews when talks about how

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Christ is our great high priest How it's impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to be able to remove sins and what that whole aspect of the covenant was?

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All about it's not about one ism. You can't find it there. It just it would make everything that happened

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With the veil completely nonsensical. That's right. That's right it to to to Accept that as the interpretation is to throw out everything else that takes place around it like God coming down and giving the laws of Moses right in the temple being set up in the in the wilderness in a particular way and Treating the law a particular way like you have to take all that with it because that's why the veil was there

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And then when the veil was torn like yes We can connect directly with God through his presence as Christ Jesus dying for our sins

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Yeah And so you have to throw out all the things that are with it to misuse misinterpret Misinterpret the symbolism and and why that was why that one stuck out for me is you know?

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Pastor Jeff gave the most moving sermon about the veil was torn at Apologia last fall and I was

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I was in the pews that Day, I hadn't yet become a member. I was in tears I kept the bulletin from that day because that was so moving especially for me coming from a

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Jewish background You know with the law and to really understand to really get it in my bones and in my blood

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And especially coming from the new age world as well Like yes, we can now be one with God through Christ and my own lineage as well

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And so when I heard that it's like this was a personal piece of my history to hear that that moment

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Represent and say no there's there's an even more beautiful truth than that And that's the thing is that the new age world seems to paint this very beautiful moving picture

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But the reality is christianity is so much more beautiful so much more glorious so much more fulfilling

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So much more fulfilling in the peace that I have now I've never been able I never found in any other practices than the peace that I found in reconciliation with God And that was a really really important moment, but not for the reasons that he said it was

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Yeah, and so I definitely encourage I hope that you'll put that sermon in the show notes The veil was torn part two

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So that so that men can men and women can listen to that and hear like no This is what was actually going on in that moment So it's so profoundly important.

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Yeah, and I think one of the things too is that I mean There's a saying that says like patriarchy is inevitable.

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I think the world because God made it is inevitably patriarchal and um, but also the

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When you're talking about media like having a mediator. No, that's inevitable as well, too. Absolutely Um while he is not necessarily trying to say that christ is a mediator between god and man

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And in some sense saying there is no mediator essentially anymore Well, he's also sort of both of them are kind of looking to ayahuasca

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As is as their personal mediator to have some sort of inner peace Which is again one of the earlier clips where aubrey marcus refers to ayahuasca almost gives personhood to it

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Yes, it's not just some personal drink. This is actually Ayahuasca talked to me. Yeah, um

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So you see like neutrality is a myth. Everyone has a mediator to find peace Just question is what media are you going to have when

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I was talking to the young lady, uh this morning Who was a reiki practitioner? I was trying to tell her that Everything like in christ and I was telling her it says i've talked to Scores of people who have been in your boat

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Everything that you're like in christ is everything You can find you're trying to find in reiki

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Like and in chakra alignment and all that sort of stuff because I said I just told her like there's no end in sight

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Yeah, and she was looking at me like deer in the head I've never talked with this person before and she's looking at deer in the headlights like she knows

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She knows like there's no amount of ayahuasca trips. There's no amount of chakra alignments. There's no amount of No matter you name it go you can go to xyz temple to meditate for three seven ten twelve twenty four thirty six

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There's some people who meditate for a whole lifetime You find these buddhists who who are in these like temples who do it who literally are like in caves

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Yeah, like that's how isolated they are. There's nothing you can do. It's there's no end in sight, right? There's no way you can escape the world of one ism.

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That's right You have to you have to jump into two ism you have to find peace with christ and it's just awesome to see like your perspective and just because I I see around the whole world like right now.

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I mean just culturally Uh, you know on tech, you know witch talk and you see all the craziness yeah, but you see this like remnant that god is just saving people out of the new age and they are like you see this like Like this like this.

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Oh, i'm just I this is the oasis in the desert and they're parched and Just one last thing and you can be your last thoughts as we were

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We wrap up here like you're new in the faith. I've been a christian for 20 years and like I know tons of people who uh

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Have were in the faith who have walked away from the faith who have like deconstructed people that like I looked up to as a kid people like kevin max from dc talk and you have

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Other people that are very popular like a lot of popular bands Uh, like who was the band?

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Uh, I think it was under oath. I think those guys deconstructed They're like christian like screamo band. They had some great songs, but i've seen

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Like in the same way these people have walked away like I see new agers like Grabbing.

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Yeah what they walked away from so the whole parable of the pearl of great price like i've seen that Like happen like in real time from my vantage point and it's so on one level.

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It's like it's heartbreak It's like there's a weird duality where on one level. It's it's amazing to see but it's also heartbreaking

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Like saying like why did why are you walking away from this because i'm seeing? All these other people who are coming out the new age and they're just it's everything like jesus is everything to them.

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Yeah walked away Yeah, I mean I just think of the parable of the prodigal son, right? You know born into such prosperity and have to go and sleep with the sleep with the pigs and realize that that's what you're doing and um,

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I can say, you know, what what I what I really um respect about aaron rogers and abri marcus is that There I believe that they're sincere in their quest for truth.

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Absolutely. I do believe that and um, And I was sincere in my quest for truth and I kept walking until I found it

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And I believe that there are so many people in the new age world that are very sincere about their quest for truth

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And they're and they're very hungry and they feel called by god And they were brave enough to walk up to the point where the new age cult says you're not supposed to step past this point

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And you say well i'm I I want truth more than I want belonging So i'll step past this point into truth, which is what

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I did and I found what I was looking for Sanctification and regeneration is real peace with god is real my personal

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Transformation if you want to call it that the peace that I found and the joy That I found in my heart over the past couple years since i've been baptized as unlike any other modality i've ever done and it's so much greater than all of Them and it's brought me the real peace that i'm looking for And I pray that both these men are very courageous in their achievements on earth and the very achievement.

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They're very courageous in their spiritual Pursuits and I just pray that they continue to have the courage to keep walking forward to find

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Where the real truth is and I hope this conversation can bless them in that regard. Awesome, man Well, I appreciate you sharing your heart and this was uh great and uh, who knows we might have to get you back on maybe

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We can analyze some more clips if we're seeing what happens there rogers or anything else going on Uh, this has been great.

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This has been great. Uh real quickly as we wrap up here Where can people find you at I host a podcast called the renaissance of men

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Which is all about all about the rebirth of masculinity and femininity happening around the world today And christianity is an enormous part of that So I have conversations with pastors and leaders of you know

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All over all over the world that have influenced me and are influencing millions of people and so you can find that at uh, linktree

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Uh .com. I'm, sorry linktree slash random men. Awesome. We'll have tags in the description as well, too All right

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Thank you all for hanging in for uh part three of our uh, fun little one hour Assessment of uh, aaron rogers and aubrey marcus in this conversation

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