Theonomy & President-"elect" Biden

I would say if the authorities didn't want us involved in the public square, they ought not to have crucified Jesus in the public square. Use humanistic principles.

Well, I would say the same idea. I would say that.

I would say what's the problem with stardust. Bumping into stardust?

In the cosmic picture, none. There's no problem. In the cosmic picture, it won't matter.

No, Mr. President, you are not protecting reproductive freedom. You are authorizing the destruction of freedom for one million little human beings every year. I'm sorry, my friends, but I am tired of seeing Jesus presented as a weak beggar.

He is a powerful savior, and the gospel is not a suggestion. It is a command.

Paula, don't you sympathize with that?

I sympathize with every single human heart wishing to know the one true and living God, but I believe there's only one way that that can happen through Jesus Christ, and the gospel is about repenting of sin, not celebrating it.

Look on my affliction and deliver me, for I do not forget your law. Plead my cause and redeem me. Give me life according to your promise. Salvation is far from the wicked, for they do not seek your statutes.

Great is your mercy, O Lord. Give me life according to your rules. Many are my persecutors and my adversaries, but I do not swerve from your testimonies. I look at the faithless with disgust, because they do not keep your commands.

Consider how I love your precepts. Give me life according to your steadfast love. The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever. That's Psalm 119, 153 to 160, y 'all.

Election, Public Square, and the Church’s Hope

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That's right.

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But we want it to be looking really, really good, coherent, easily accessible, all of that. So welcome to the show, everybody. We have a very important show for you all today. So much is happening in our world, and we know you guys are probably just as on edge as we are trying to figure out what are the days ahead going to hold.

My goodness, so much is going on. So we thought we would start this discussion today at Apologia Radio talking about the United States election of the president, and let's do that by also bringing in our guest.

We have a guest today, one of our good friends, one of our heroes. We love him so much. And we've had him before. We're going to have him to join us to talk about this election stuff, but also we're going to be responding today to Nine Marks, Nine Marks' fairly recent podcast on the issue of God's law.

And we wanted to do this a couple of weeks ago, but it's been a busy time of year for us, and so we wanted to have Dr. Sandlin on with us. So we're going to talk about both those things today. I think you'll be really, really loving today's episode.

You'll benefit a lot from today's episode because we're going to dig into some important stuff. So let's welcome on to the show once again Dr. Andrew Sandlin.

Thank you, guys. It's great to be on. I appreciate all that you do. You guys are just great, so keep it up.

Thank you, brother. So first question is how are you enduring the lockdown?

Well, as we were talking before we started, our illustrious governor, who's a Democrat by the way, it looks like he's flexing his muscles even more to sort of increase the lockdown in a number of counties, not my county, but adjacent counties.

So we do live in a very deep blue state. If you don't believe that, check the voting totals from the election last Tuesday for California. So it's a bad state to live in. I live in a very conservative Trump county, but counties nearby are ultra liberal, which is why so many people from California are moving there, Jeff and Luke, to Arizona, which is probably part of the reason that Arizona, by conventional standards, apparently went for Biden.

We'll see. That remains to be seen.

That remains to be seen. There's all kinds of fraudulent stuff they're working through right now. But if you could do us a favor, Dr. Sandlin, if you could just stop them from coming here, that'd be really great.

We'd appreciate that very much.

I'd like to do that.

You could definitely come here.

We wouldn't mind that.

Yeah, we would definitely like you to come. But it is amazing, though. If you think about it, a lot of these people that sort of get crushed in Democrat-run cities with the taxation and just the poor management and the lawlessness and all the rest, they go, man, I gotta get out of here.

I can't afford to live here anymore. It's awful. Let me go to one of these conservative states that are so much nicer. And then they come here and they vote for the same people.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make a lot of sense at all. I just realized something. We don't have my screen plugged in. So you can talk to Andrew for a second while I plug my screen in. And Isaac, you can make sure that it's up for me.

Oh, speaking of the blue state that you live in, it was hilarious to me that the night of the election, literally the moment the polls closed in California, they were like, it's blue.

Blue!

They hadn't even counted yet.

Yeah, they do the same thing for Hawaii. As soon as Hawaii comes online, no one even waits for Hawaii. They're like, blue! But the craziest thing, Dr. Sandlin, is if you look at the Electoral College map, not all of it is accurate, by the way, at all.

And by the way, if you didn't know this, the media doesn't call the elections. There's actually a constitutional, there's a way this is done by law in terms of states sending their Electoral College peeps to the college and convention thing and giving their official certified results.

And so if you didn't know it, believe it or not, CNN, Fox News, AP, ABC, MSNBC, all those things, they actually don't call the election. And nothing they say really matters. What matters is the Electoral College.

That's right.

So I'm not sure why that is news to us, but apparently it is news to us because some people hold big celebratory things saying, President-elect, President-elect, before the votes are counted and everything is done.

Because CNN says, because they say. Where was I? Oh yeah, Isaac, are we up? Are we online?

We're good.

We're good, okay.

So I'll make sure I can at least show stuff. So let's talk about the election for a minute. So I wanted to at least do that today. We're in a holding pattern right now. If you watched Sunday evening service from Apologia Church, you know that the four elders, we all came up and we addressed the congregation and spoke on what's most important for us right now is working through these things in our own nation.

We talked about the law of God. I talked about the fact that, look, this past week, even with the status as it is, if your soul was crushed and you're just completely just shattered over all this, then maybe your idolatry was exposed.

We don't have hope in human governments as ultimate or any one political leader or anything like that at all. And so I really tried to challenge the church on where's your hope? Our focus should be on Christ and God's kingdom.

And the church has endured persecution and difficulties over the ages. And we always conquer and we're always victorious because the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. We are leading the all out assault on the world with the light of the gospel and the gates of hell won't prevail against it.

With that said, we are not in here wearing Trump shirts and MAGA hats and cheering for Trump. However, I hate communism. I hope that's been clear over the years. And if it wasn't, maybe you can take that as a soundbite.

I hate communism. It is disgusting, deplorable. The system that is propagated and promulgated by the Democratic National Convention and Democratic Party is a system that turns coveting into a virtue that prizes theft.

It is the party of death. It is the party that hates God's law, tries to distort gender, all the rest. We can go on with a list of all the deplorable, abominable parts of the Democratic platform. So do I want to see it go that direction?

I don't.

I know that President Trump has his own issues. The Republican Party has its own issues. However, I certainly don't want communism to kick in in 2021 officially. And so just know, from our perspective here, we don't want to turn into idolatry the Republican Party or Donald Trump or anybody during an election.

We can't allow ourselves to be anxious and fearful when God may be judging our nation. God's in control. We can rejoice in Him always. However, we're in a place right now where the election has not been called.

This whole president-elect conversation is taking place nationally through all these liberal media companies. Don't buy it. Don't buy it. It isn't true. Nothing's certified. It isn't true. You have court disputes taking place.

And I know that I'm giving the dump right now.

YouTube is telling our listeners that the AP has called it.

Oh, yeah.

Just so everyone knows, the AP's already called it.

That's what YouTube's letting everyone know.

Yeah.

By the way, you can't say anything right now without getting just stepped all over by the powers that be on this issue.

I mean, they literally won't allow you to even do anything political right now.

We can't.

Completely shut down.

We can't do any pro-life ads right now. We can't even do any pro-life ads right now on Facebook because they've shut down the ability to do any political ads right now during the next two weeks. They are stifling the conversation.

I even gave a coded message yesterday. I even took screenshots instead of sharing something, screenshots, and gave a coded message to say, look, this thing is not called yet. There's a court battle going on.

By the way,.

This is the thing that's sickening to me.

About all of this.

In terms of your hypocrisy is spilling over. It's amazing that you can't look at your feet and see that you're standing in it.

It truly is.

Back in the year 2000, you're old enough to remember this, and of course, Andrew, you remember this. 2000, I remember the election between Gore and Bush.

Yep.

I remember that they called it for Gore, and then,.

Oops,.

Lo and behold, there's a problem. Bush is winning. They went through 36 or 37 days of court battles and recounts. They did four total recounts, and Bush won every single one of them.

I have to say,.

I was like, oh, I remember that. I went back this week, and I listened to Al Gore's concession speech,.

And I thought,.

Dang,.

What an honorable man.

I would die to have Al Gore right now.

I know.

I thought to myself, what an honorable man. If you guys get a chance, don't do it now,.

But later,.

Go watch Al Gore's concession speech after all the court stuff happened. He said, honorably, I don't completely agree with this, but we're a nation of laws. That's how this is done, and he was like, I will uphold this because that's how our nation works, and I was like, he's a really honorable man.

It's blowing my mind here is that people are acting today with such hypocrisy, like, no, it's been called. CNN called it.

AP called it. CNN, they all called it. It's like,.

Hold on.

In 2000,.

When the Democratic guy was going through the court process to try to make sure that it was legit, and there was a recount, and all the rest, everybody in the country held back and said,.

Yeah,.

We want this to be a legal election. We want to make sure every vote counts. We want to make sure it's done right, and so everyone held back and was like,.

All right,.

Let's find out what happens, and they got through all the court stuff. They challenged it all, and then the Democratic guy goes, you know,.

You're right.

This is how our system works. It was a recount, and so there we go, and then Bush became president. Now we're at a place where all these major media companies are calling it, saying he's the president-elect.

What does that even mean? He's the president-elect, but we still have numerous states that didn't even have their votes finished. They weren't even done counting yet. Fox News calls Arizona a blue state that it went for Biden before they even had the votes counted.

Even close,.

And that's still going on today. We're still counting votes in Arizona still. There's fraud, widespread fraud, in a number of states. There are sworn testimonies.

That are actually,.

These testimonies, it's the penalty of perjury. I mean, you're talking about risking even 10 years in prison for giving these testimonies. You've got a 240, 236-page thing right now of all the sworn testimonies of people who saw fraud.

That's in one place.

That's crazy.

Check this out. I'm going to show you this right here.

President...

Where'd it go? Where'd it go? Where did it go?

There you go, Donald Trump. Okay, check this out, guys. President Trump, just a couple hours ago, three hours ago, he tweeted this. All caps, by the way. I don't know why it goes for all caps,.

But it does.

Quote, report, Dominion,.

By the way,.

If you don't know what that is, Dominion is the system, the voting system software thing in these battleground states. Okay, so that's what Dominion is. And so as Dominion deleted 2 .7 million Trump votes nationwide, data analysis finds 221 ,000 Pennsylvania votes switched from President Trump to Biden.

941 ,000 Trump votes deleted. States using Dominion voting systems switched 435 ,000 votes from Trump to Biden. Now, this is a president of the United States of America, and look, I don't care what you think about Trump or Biden.

They are able to have their day in court. They've got lawyers working on this. They've got eyewitness testimony. They have people who are analyzing this data. I got to say, I just don't believe in this case that the president is going to share this, is going to put this out there if he doesn't know and hasn't been informed.

By the way, some of this has already been proven anyway, so why are we disputing? But this is just large, these are heavy numbers. If it is the case, this goes to the court system, and it's proven that there was fraud and they were able to show the fraudulent ballots and they kicked those ballots out, and he goes over, my friends, he is going to have another term as president.

Now, look, am I being a prophet saying it's going to happen? No, I don't know what's going to happen. Look, Biden can very well officially get certified the way it's supposed to as the next president of the United States of America.

He can become president, and then we're on our way to communism and a lot of judgment. But look, if it flips, if it flips, I think we all need to be prepared for difficult days ahead. Before the election happened, on my way home, Fry's Electronics, big electronics store at the I -10 area,.

Massive store,.

They were, the day of the election actually,.

They were,.

No, before. They were boarding up all access to windows and everything else all around the store in preparation for the riots and the looting that would break out.

It was happening.

All over the country, right? Now, here's my question. All this went down. Biden was called president-elect by the media, not officials, not certified, and yet, weird. That's weird. Did you see any rioting or looting from any Trump people?

No.

Any conservatives you hang out with? Christians? Out in the streets rioting? You didn't break a window?

If anything, we were.

You threw at least one brick.

If anything, we were loading our magazines.

Yes, that's true.

No.

But you didn't throw even one brick?

No, not one.

Not one?

Uh-uh.

Are you sure?

Positive.

Okay.

All right. Not one brick came from anybody. I don't even know if anybody.

Threw a brick,.

And it's weird because I didn't get the thing from Soros that told us where they're stationed, where he was going to drop the bricks off.

I missed that notification.

Yeah, but.

Isn't it weird? All these stores across the country are boarding up their stuff, and they're worried about what's going to happen in the election, but weird. Biden's called by the media, and it's so strange.

You don't see any conservatives or Christians out there throwing bricks or rioting or looting. It's odd. That's weird. But let me ask you a question. Do you think if the courts work through this, and they show the fraudulent stuff, they prove it?

I'm not talking about N .U .N. They prove it, and they kick out these votes, and these states flip to Trump, and then Trump is now, again, another four years. Do you think there's going to be rioting and looting?

You betcha.

You better believe it.

Bet your bottom dollar.

That's an old person saying right there. There's going to be riots, and there's going to be looting. And so, very interesting times we live in right now. Listen, it could go either way right now. This stuff has to be proven in court, but man, oh, man, is this going to be interesting.

Well, you know what's important about proving yourself in court?

What's that?

Is having two to three independent lines of witness.

Oh, that's right. Is there a book somewhere.

That talks about that?

I think so.

There's a book about that, isn't there?

Yeah.

Hey, by the way, you can thank.

The Christian Worldview for all the checks and balances that were put into this nation to actually work through issues like this. And you can thank The Christian Worldview for the thing like cross-examination and listening to all the witnesses' testimony and making a judgment.

Yeah, that all comes from God's law.

Boy, it would be good.

If we had that today and those principles today. So anyway, Andrew, your thoughts on the current situation?

With respect to the election, right?

Yes, sir.

Yeah, I think you guys made some great points there. I mean, every legal vote should be counted. And I think you're right. If somehow Trump were to end up winning the election, I think there would be massive rioting on the left because they bought into the cultural Marxist idea that they are the elites and if for some reason they cannot express their elitism politically, then something's wrong with the system and the system has to be burned to the ground.

I mean, that's essentially what they believe. I think we also, we said some negative things. Let's remember that the president was not the only issue on the ballot and that on the whole, Republicans, and I agree with you guys, are not perfect, but generally far superior morally to the Democratic Party, did generally very well otherwise.

In fact, picked up a number of seats in the House. They were supposed to lose seats. It looks like they're likely going to retain the Senate. That's not 100%, but likely going to retain the Senate. The judiciary is in a better shape.

On state levels, the Republicans did very well. So this certainly was a mixed election like most, and even if it ends up that Biden is in the White House, which no Christian or conservative could ever want, but if that happens, the case is certainly not lost because Jesus Christ is still on the throne, and in addition, we do have a system that has checks and balances, and Biden will be held in check, certainly on domestic policy.

So it's good to remember all of these factors, and though the presidential election is vitally important, and I'm in no way diminishing that, there are other elections, and for the most part, Republicans did pretty well.

Yes, and that was one of the interesting things, Dr. Sandlin. I'm sure you noticed this as well. I'm pulling a video up here. I need everyone to see this in a second here, so okay. The differences between some of these elections, this was a peculiar aspect of this election.

You had everything down ballot in many places, Republican, Republican, Republican, but all of a sudden, also there was Biden elected as president in that same area or that same state. So what's weird about that is some people, one person said, and it's like the coattails didn't match the coat, right?

How are people voting in this area for all Republican down ballot, but they voted for Biden as president? Strange things happening there. But I wanted to show everyone this. Why does this matter? Well, here's an example of why this matters, and it's something we've been saying for a long time.

We've got a lot of people.

Watching right now, so welcome to Apologia Radio. If you're here for the first time, we're glad you joined us. Why is it important? Well, we want four more years of mercy, to be honest with you.

Yes.

A Harris administration, which is really what we're talking about here, is the fast track to communism, the fast track to hardcore, pipe-hitting socialism. It's not questioned. We know how radical she is, how Marxist she is, her tendencies.

It's just out in the open. She does not care to hide it. It's just getting worse and worse in terms of the brazen attitude these people have towards these wicked worldviews. But what's interesting here is we've said in an abortion now for a long time, it's the duty of the church to implore all of our legislators to reject the fallacious opinion of Roe from the 1970s.

Not only can it be demonstrated to be fallacious in terms of calling what's in the womb potential human life, it is guaranteed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a fact biologically distinct from the mother, and it is human life from the moment of conception.

Unique. So it's fallacious in the first place. But our system of government says that the Supreme Court does not legislate. It is Congress that legislates. They create law. The Supreme Court gives opinions.

They interpret.

They try to show.

It is up at that point to people to go, you know, that is constitutional. That's right. We need to legislate based upon that opinion. It is right. It's constitutional.

All of that.

Now, Roe is declared, and all of a sudden we got into this weird space where we thought, I guess that means it's law. It isn't. Congress hasn't created a law about abortion, and what's amazing is you have states like Arizona and Idaho and other states who have on the books abortion is murder, considered homicide, and there's jail time for it.

Okay?

Now, Roe doesn't affect that. Now, here's the thing. The pro-choicers and pro-aborts, they've argued,.

Oh, we've got Roe. It's law.

It isn't. It isn't, and we've been saying it's not because we know what the Constitution says and how our system of government, our republic works. Here's the problem. The pro-life industry has gone off.

The attitude,.

The belief system, the declarations of the pro-aborts and said, you know, I guess we've got to overturn Roe. No, we don't. You know, no we don't. All we have to do is as states reject a fallacious court opinion that kills humans and uphold our state law.

Reject Roe. That's what we've been saying. It isn't a law. States, flex your sovereignty. Now, here's the problem. If Roe was undone tomorrow, you're still going to have now abortion legal in the states.

Why?

Because the pro-life industry has created legislation in the states saying, well, you can kill the baby, but you can't kill it after 18 weeks.

Or 24 weeks. Guess what?

That just made it legal in the states.

Why?

Because you assumed Roe was law. Why don't we know the Constitution and how our system of government works? And by the way, do you know what in Arizona is so beautiful at this moment? Marijuana.

Now, don't get me wrong.

Let me finish the thought. When I say marijuana is so beautiful, let me tell you why. We had on this ballot, which I think was highly convenient, put the marijuana recreational legalization on the same ballot as Biden.

Who do you think those people.

Are going to be voting for?

So, very good strategy. But anyway, we had the legalization, full legalization, recreational marijuana. It's already legal here medically. And guess what? Here's the thing. We voted in Arizona to legalize recreational marijuana.

We can all smoke up now and you get to grow three plants.

I know, three.

Three.

Three.

You get three plants. You excited? You got your little seedlings?

Yes. So, here's the deal.

In Arizona right now, it is going to be legal to smoke up. You can carry, which by the way, there's some benefits to that in terms of lessening taxes and impact upon the citizens and nonviolent crimes, people having, should they be punished in jail.

It's a big burden upon the community you put on those. But anyway, all that's a different discussion to have. Here's the deal. Guess what? Guess what? Arizona legalized recreational marijuana. Here's the problem.

There's federal law against marijuana and court cases against marijuana. And you know what's amazing? Colorado, California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, all said to the federal government, you pound sand, we're doing what's right for our citizens, and we're going to vote it in.

And the federal government goes,.

Hey now,.

I've got federal law about that. And then the states go, we're going to smoke up. That's it.

Now watch this.

I'm going to prove to you right now, and I'm going to do it through the mouth of Joe Biden, that we need to in the states criminalize the issue of abortion and establish justice for the pre-born and reject Roe.

Flex. Our state power and sovereignty and protect our citizens in the womb and say no to Roe. Reject it. Here's why. From the mouth of Joe Biden. Check this out. This is Joe Biden doubling down on protecting Roe vs. Wade.

Listen to what he says here.

Right now,.

And um, I knew whenever I was graduating high school and entering college that I wanted to obtain my degree and start a career before starting a family. Having access to birth control and safe reproductive healthcare was imperative and making that true for me.

So, um, considering the new Supreme Court nomination of Amy, um, Coney Barrett, what are your particular plans to protect women's reproductive rights in the U .S.?

Alright, so pause there for a moment. Very important. What she's saying basically is while I was in college, it was nice to be able to have birth control and be able to kill my baby. Uh, reproductive health services, meaning, uh, it was great to have the option to crush my little boy or girl's head in the womb.

To have them chemically burned and injected with poison. To have their legs and arms pulled from their body. It was so nice to have that service available to me while I was working through college so that I could have what I wanted.

I could have the ability to have sex freely and I could do it in a way where, uh, I didn't have to have a child that I had to take care of. And so it was nice to have that. So if Amy Coney Barrett comes into the Supreme Court and they undo Roe, what ever will we do?

Mr. Biden? Now, here's what he says.