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So, if God the Father and his Goddess wife were both divine in nature,
and they had kids, physically, because they have flesh and bones, then wouldn't their
kids be divine in nature as well?
How are young people asking questions?
Believe me, it's that hard.
You will be able to pick it up.
Okay.
Yeah.
If we put it there, we'll be able to pick both up.
Good enough.
Sounds good.
We'll be good though.
He has no problem talking about it.
All right.
All right, next.
Next!
You're having a good time, I can tell, man.
Not having a good time?
You have a question?
You don't have a question?
Weren't you paying attention?
You want to learn how to become a god?
Can you imagine becoming a god?
And what's your idea of a good time and having eternal sex?
That's your idea of what heaven's going to be like.
Why aren't there going to be any women up there?
They have to have babies.
Women have to have babies.
That's what's good for the moms.
I'm just saying, why would any women want to go up there?
Well, you know, women would want to be goddesses so they can have more babies.
You can tell it's a man religion.
I think that's a good point.
I mean, it's such a guy religion.
They get to become gods, but they've got to bring forth their wife by calling their name.
And she gets to have babies for heaven forever.
It was Jesus who sat with the women, who loved the women.
And he treated them well and he honored them.
But when you get a religion that's developed by a man, women are degraded.
And that's what happened with Joseph Smith.
That's what happened with Muhammad.
So some people believe that you can potentially become a god on your own planet.
So what then?
Once you become a god, do you create your own standards and your own laws
to that planet?
Or do they believe there is an objective law that some past god made?
I haven't been able to talk to any Mormons about objective morality and absolutes.
Because in my opinion, there's ways to totally demolish Mormonism's view of
God by using transcendentals.
And it gets sophisticated.
But to be honest, no Mormon is up to the level it needs to be at in order to have that kind of discussion.
They probably wouldn't be Mormon.
Yeah, they probably wouldn't be Mormon.
Not that you have to be super smart or something like that.
But there are just certain concepts that they don't get, like absolute infinites, potential infinites, infinite
regressions, things like this.
And how do you have universal abstractions, which require a universal mind, when you have
minds that are gods?
Where does the laws of logic come from?
How do you have that moral absolutes?
Is there a principle that each god in Mormonism must adhere to?
Then there's something greater than them.
But that would be consistent in Mormonism, because the gods progress in knowledge.
So the gods before them, before them, are greater and greater and greater.
But how far back does it go?
It goes back logically infinitely.
But then they say there's spirits that inhabit the bodies, that get born.
That there's intelligences that existed from eternity.
You can't have that.
It's logically impossible.
There's ways.
And I've written an article on Karn with that kind of analysis, going to the
infinite regression of uncaused causes, demonstrating the impossibility of Mormon theology.
I've only had, I think, one Mormon try to tackle it in years, a few years.
So do they not have any of their further teachings on what we do after we become god?
Look, you either go to the bottom level, terrestrial.
The middle level, celestial.
Or the upper level, celestial.
And if you make it to the third level of celestial heaven, you get to become a god.
And then that's the idea of having fun.
But everybody else, you're going to have a good time in the lower heavens.
It's going to be fun.
You get to visit your families and things like that.
I don't know, picnics, whatever.
Wait, what?
I think Jesus is on, I'll be on level two.
Right.
I'll be on level two.
Even though I'm an anti -Mormon, because I'm sincere and I'm mistaken in my sincerity.
Then I'll still make it to, and I'm a nice guy and I'm honest and a man of integrity.
Then I'll make it to the terrestrial heaven.
You just won't see God.
I won't be able to see God, yeah.
Jesus is actually being out of darkness, because that used to be the Mormon church.
No.
Well, they changed that.
They did.
It's not out of darkness.
Bill McKee corrected us on it.
I'm just saying, once you're in, maybe.
It's not the way it works.
At least you'll be with Jesus, though, on level two.
Yes.
Yeah, Jesus is on level two.
Yeah, but you won't be able to see God.
So I'll be able to see Jesus and hang with, and they would say, with my bro.
Because he's literally the brother.
As is Satan.
What a family.
See, the problem with being safe, you get blamed for everything.
That'd probably be true.
But he did it.
He didn't lie, though.
It's so obvious that Mormonism is false.
Okay, if you have any questions online, Facebook and or YouTube, why don't you check it out.
We're working on a mic issue.
A mic issue?
Well, just use that camera.
It'll be fine.
It's a pretty decent mic for picking stuff up.
We good?
Test one, two.
What?
I got one question.
I'm gonna take it in a totally different direction, right?
Stand behind the tape, please.
Behind the tape, that way.
Quick on the camera, Phil.
Okay, good.
Thank you.
So.
The Mormon Bible was written by someone who
was inspired by God.
What they call God, right?
How is that different from our Bible as Christians, yet they were all inspired by
God the Father?
That's a very good point.
I've never thought of that.
Is the Book of Mormon inspired?
I don't know of anything in Mormonism that says it's inspired of God.
It's just a history book.
But the Bible says it's inspired.
Now, maybe a Mormon can go to 2 Timothy 3 .16.
All scripture's inspired.
You could say that retroactively.
It means the Book of Mormon's inspired.
But that's a good question.
Does anything ever say that the Book of Mormon is inspired?
Hey, I like that.
And you're in the military?
Wow.
The Marines.
Oh, wow.
We played on Lick Windows, okay?
That's a good question.
I'm gonna think about that.
I'm gonna find some research on that.
Is the Book of Mormon supposed to be inspired?
If so, how'd that work?
It's interesting to play with that one.
Good question.
Yeah, I like that.
Come on, is it dead?
Well, the kid who said he was gonna come back for Q &A.
How about anything?
You can talk about anything.
Any questions?
We had some from the kid from earlier.
Yeah, from earlier.
But he didn't come back.
He said he was gonna come back, but he didn't come back.
We'll see how it goes.
It'll be slow.
We'll end up quitting early tonight.
Okay, Adam.
I'm not completely sure I understand this from the context.
I might have to help a little bit.
Okay, yeah.
She knows the context of the questions in the dialogue.
Cool.
At first, do you want to do it just because I don't understand?
I'll explain a little bit.
Sorry.
Thanks for coming.
We had a guy on YouTube who was arguing profusely about all the things you're saying
and so he claimed that in the Bible, it says that
Jesus and Satan are brothers.
Where in the Bible does it say that he's not Satan's brother?
Where does it say in the Bible Jesus is not from the planet Mercury?
You don't argue from what it does not say.
You argue from what it does say.
So, you know, to say, where does it not say that?
It doesn't not say it or say not.
It just isn't.
When people ask that, it's admission on their part that their argument's very weak.
It's a negative claim.
Yeah, proven negative, yeah.
Okay, he says, you guys know nothing about the war in heaven.
Do you not even understand the Book of Revelation?
Book of Revelation may or may not have happened yet if you're full preterist, partial preterist, or what.
But if they could talk about the war of heaven, they're presupposing the validity of Mormonism.
That's all.
And where the spirits had a little battle up there.
But if that's the case, then why did Joseph Smith say he saw the Father when the Bible says you can't?
He lied.
So, Mr. Mormon, if you're so sure about everything, answer that.
Why did Joseph Smith say he saw God the Father when Paul the Apostle says you can't and
Jesus says you can't?
Christopher.
Christopher says you can't?
No, he's our resident Mormon.
Christopher's a resident Mormon.
See, a Mormon can answer that.
They can't.
And during all the argumentation in the chat and what you were talking about, he said, so we're just going to act like
we're not all spirit children of God when it says that countless times in the Bible.
So where does it say countless times in the Bible?
Countless because you can't count them.
So give me one where it says we're spirit children of God.
LDSU's saying we are heirs of...
It says we're children of God.
Where does it say we're spirit children of God?
Have the right to be children of God.
Yeah, that's John 1, 12.
As many as received him, to them he gave the right to be called the children of God.
Where is it when Paul is debating...
Acts 17.
And he quotes a pagan philosopher.
But the thing is, where does it say in the Bible from an apostle
that we are literally spirit offspring of God and his goddess wife?
That's what you've got to come to.
Just because it says we're children of God, what does it mean we're children of God?
What does it mean?
You can't just say children of God means the Mormon way.
You don't know that.
Children of God means by adoption.
Because if you go to Romans 8, we're adopted legally and then we're called the children of God.
So how does that work in Mormonism?
It is not consistent.
What Mormons do is blind themselves at the first possible
interpretation of anything that might maybe mean something that might verify the feeling.
Then they stop and they see.
They do not think.
They don't.
That's why they're lost.
But they say, I want to see a Mormon answer.
How could Joseph Smith have seen God the Father when the Bible says he cannot?
Everything is on this first vision, folks.
If you cannot answer that, you've got to give up your Mormon faith.
The Father wasn't even in the first vision.
It's documented.
The first first first vision.
The very first one.
But the later ones, he came in and in the official version, he's in the official version, the Father is seen.
Oh, he's joined us.
Yay!
He's here.
Hey, Christopher.
Welcome, Christopher.
Make it good.
Really good.
In the last.
Do you have a question?
I got one.
And I'll let Christopher do his thing.
So when do Mormons believe that Jesus.
When do Mormons believe Jesus.
Hold on.
They believe that God the Father is God's wife.
They have flesh and blood, right?
Yep.
Flesh and bones.
Whatever.
When they created Jesus, did they believe that he had flesh and bones then too?
They.
Now, Jesus is a spirit being.
Now, what doesn't make sense in Mormonism is that they have a body of flesh and bones, they get together, copulate, and then they produce spirit offspring.
So, I'd say John 1 .14.
Totally.
Where it became flesh and built among us.
That would be when.
That's the incarnation.
Well, that's the only time God becomes flesh.
Now, there are places in the Old Testament where he manifests, but not where he incarnates.
The incarnation is a single event by the second person of the Trinity, the Word.
John 1 .14, Colossians 2 .9.
But in the Old Testament, when God is seen, it's a pre -incarnate Christ.
And so, it's not an incarnation, it's just a manifestation or an appearance.
Next.
We're going to give Christopher some questions and break and go to Mosaic.
What happens to people who have never been, who have never even heard the name of Jesus or the idea of Jesus?
Like lost tribes, how will they be judged when they die?
Well, we don't know because the Bible doesn't tell us.
It doesn't say.
However, some people go to Romans 2, verses 11 through 16.
And in that, the scripture says those who die without the law will not be judged by the law.
And so, some think that that might be an escape clause in that those who have never heard would judge a little
bit different.
But they're still going to be judged through Christ.
And plus, there's no other name under heaven by which a man would be saved other than
Jesus Christ, Acts 4 .12.
So, we can make the case that none of them will be saved if they don't hear about Jesus and confess Christ.
But then you'd say, well, what about the people before the Old Testament, before Jesus was born?
Because they didn't do that.
How could they be saved?
And they were saved.
So, there's something we have to explore about the nature of what they know about God at the level that
they know.
And are they trusting in God at that level?
Particularly in the Old Testament when they had the true God and they were trying to wait for the true Messiah to come.
They had the expectation of a future Messiah.
But someone who's born without knowledge of God in any way, shape, or form, like on an island someplace, doesn't know anything, worshiped lizards.
Well, are they going to be okay because they're sincere?
The Bible doesn't say they're going to make it.
So, that's one thing.
And whether people like it or not is irrelevant to whether or not it's true.
And I was going to say one more point about it.
There were several points about that.
I can't remember, dang it.
Just lost it.
But, oh, I remember.
So, God has his way of communicating himself and his own existence to other people.
That's throughout history.
There's lots of cultures where various aspects of the gospel message are embedded in their culture.
And so, we can't say to what level God has or hasn't communicated to them about various things.
Or what level they would be at in their knowledge of whatever they understand God to be.
It's something we have to leave up to God.
He doesn't tell us.
We can't make a definitive statement.
But they need Jesus.
And it can't be saved without him.
Christopher commented that the Trinity is a farce and not biblical at all.
Okay, and why is it a farce?
Why is it a farce?
Because if he says the Trinity is a farce, it must mean he understands what it is.
Okay, so what is the Trinity?
And then he's going to say why it's a farce.
And what does he mean by farce?
It's not true?
How would he know it's not true?
You know, when I talk to Mormons and they say things like that, or Muslims and they'll say things like that, the Trinity can't be true.
I say, why not?
Well, because God is in three.
He is in three what?
He's in three gods.
Never said he was three gods.
Well, he's not three.
Why not?
How do you know?
Three persons.
Because he can't be that.
Because he can't.
Because it doesn't make sense.
To you?
I mean, what they give me is always a subjective preference according to what they understand.
They never cite a law of logic.
They never say this leads to this, leads to this, and this is why it can't be.
They never do that.
And then they don't understand how the doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at scripturally.
It's arrived at systematically.
So if it's a farce, that means they further understand how the doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at.
So what I'll do is I'll say, so the doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at exegetically by looking from Genesis to
Revelation.
All the scripture.
That must mean for you to know that it's false, you have to know how it's arrived at because that's how we determine that it's
true.
So that means you can tell me what it is, the system that we use, and then you can pick it apart from there.
Go ahead.
They don't do that.
I've only had one Jehovah's Witness do that, and I believe it was because he heard me
explain it.
So when they say it's a farce, all they're doing is blowing smoke.
It's, you know, it's not true.
Okay, whatever you want to say.
Like that's going to stand up when you get to God, facing God.
Well, I said it wasn't true.
That makes it true?
Makes it false?
Whatever?
I want to do better than that.
Another question?
From the last conversation in the Mormonism class, he, Christopher,
said that Elohim is God the Father.
He obviously doesn't know what the word Elohim means.
Yeah, Elohim is the Hebrew word for God.
So, Christopher, go to 1 Kings 8 .60.
In 1 Kings 8 .60 it says the Lord is God.
In the Hebrew it says Jehovah is Elohim.
In Mormonism that can't work, but the Bible says.
1 Kings 8 .60, Jehovah is Elohim.
Okay, so Christopher's next question is, is it okay to have sex
when you're married?
He's encouraged.
He said, is it okay to have sex when you're married?
Christopher's question is, is it okay to have sex when you're married?
Well, it depends.
Who are you going to have sex with?
I mean, I'm married to my wife.
I'm not going to have sex with anybody but her.
So, in one sense yes, in another sense no.
Mormons do believe that sex is sin.
Every sexual act is sin.
They believe sex is a sin?
So, God the Father sins when he has sex with his Goddess wife?
Impure thoughts?
What are you thinking, dear Mormon?
Jeez.
Man.
Song of Solomon.
Oh yeah, that's a good book.
First time I read that, I actually closed the Bible and went, it's in the Bible.
Opened it back up and what does it say?
Song of Solomon?
Yeah, they don't like the word of God.
I just get so tired of this.
But no, sex is not a sin.
Inside a marriage it's great.
But that's it.
Alright, next question is from Jonathan.
What about Acts 2, 38?
I struggle with this verse.
What's your struggle with the verse?
Repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So that's what the verse says.
Generally, the struggles I go along with it, repent and each of you be baptized in the name of
Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So, does it mean you have to be baptized to be saved?
No, it does not mean you have to be baptized to be saved.
Some people say that Acts 2, 38 is a formula for salvation.
If it's a formula for salvation, then why is faith not mentioned in there?
Faith and believing is not mentioned because here's the verse again.
Repent and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So there is no faith mentioned in the text.
So it cannot be a formula for salvation.
So when they say it is, that's not true.
Then what they say is that you get baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit.
Now, in John 20, 22 I believe, Jesus breathed on them after the resurrection and said receive the Holy Spirit.
And so they did and they hadn't been baptized yet.
So there's that.
Then you go to Acts 10, 44 -48 where people are, the Gentiles have heard the
gospel message, they believe, they're exalting God, speaking in tongues.
And then Peter says we can't refuse the water for them to be baptized to have received the Holy Spirit just as
we have.
So, in Acts 2, 38, it's baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit.
In Acts 10, 44 -48, it's the Holy Spirit and then you get baptized.
So Acts 2, 38 cannot be in contradiction to
Acts 10, 44 -48.
In other words, Acts 2, 38 is not giving us a formula for
salvation or a necessity for a certain order in order to do things because there's different orders in different parts of the Bible about
it.
So Acts 2, 38 does not teach a salvation formula.
Furthermore, when it says baptized in Jesus' name and they find out that people are baptized in Jesus' name
and then have that also in Acts 10, 44 -48.
And yet, Jesus says in Matthew 28, 18 -20, He said to the disciples, He said that you are to baptize them
in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
So Jesus said to do it one way and then we have writers in the New Testament saying they got baptized in Jesus' name.
Why?
Did they get baptized, quote -unquote, in Jesus' name?
Or did they get baptized, quote -unquote, in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?
Well, the Didache, which is written around 60, 70 AD, it's not inspired, talks about
getting baptized in the triname formula, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
This is the only document that I take seriously because it's written before the close of the first century.
It's right there.
It says how things were done.
So it's a very important historical document, the Didache.
And so anyway, if you go to Acts 4 -7, you'll see in Acts 4 -7, they
were doing various things, casting out demons and doing stuff, healing people, all that kind of stuff.
And the Pharisees said, by what authority, in what name are you doing this?
And Peter says, in the name of Jesus, we're doing this.
So the phrase, in the name of Jesus, is a phrase that means to do it in the authority of
Jesus.
That's what it means.
Because they ask him, what authority, in what name are you doing it?
In the name of Jesus, we're doing this.
So when they baptize in the name of Jesus, they're baptizing with the authority of Jesus.
So when you baptize in Jesus' name, in the authority of his name, like stop in the name of the law, I baptize you in the name of
Then you then say, I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which is what we did when we baptized you guys in that freezing river.
Wasn't that cold?
Oh, it was cold.
You came up shaking, and you were almost in shock.
And that was only up to here.
And I'm like, but it was fun.
What a story.
It's a good story, though.
Okay, the next question is from Jose Rodriguez.
Hey, Jose.
Are near -death experiences biblical, or are people who claim to meet Jesus when they die being deceived?
I'd have to look at each one of those.
Are they biblical?
It looks like in 2 Corinthians 12 .2, it says, 14 years ago,
I do not know whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know, but such a man was caught up in the third heaven.
So it looks like that's an NDE.
And some people think that that was when Paul was being stoned, possibly, and he was cast outside of the city,
and he had an NDE.
There's 2 Corinthians 5 .8, to be absent from the body, to be home with the Lord.
And it seems, you know, and I know that annihilationists who are watching me probably more now because of my
studies, my announcement of my studies in it, teach what's called property dualism, which I deny as being true.
Basically, these scriptures are out of reasons and things.
But they will say that these NDEs can't exist or can't be
true because the body and the soul are basically one and the same.
And when the body dies, the soul ceases.
Basically, that's what they're saying.
So NDEs are not possible.
They have to be chemical reactions in the brain.
That doesn't work as an explanation.
And here's why.
I've got a book at home, which I stopped reading because I've got 8 other books I'm reading, but on NDEs.
And it was written by a non -Christian.
And this happened to be a book I was reading.
What convinced me that these NDEs are actually real, real
near -death experiences where they really see stuff, is when people born blind
have NDEs.
Not everyone of them does, but there's many cases where they're born blind, they have never seen.
They have a, on the table, whatever, ER, whatever, they are dead and they're being worked on.
They bring them back to life and then they wake up and they say, I saw this and this and
this.
I went down the hall.
I know what a hall is now.
I know what this looked like.
So -and -so is over here.
I saw people doing this and they're verified.
So this cannot be just an illusion of the mind.
That's the one thing that convinces me these things are legitimate.
So when they see Jesus, is it real?
Well, in my book, The Influence, I borrowed a story and I put it in
the book.
I read it years ago.
I adapted it.
And the story that I read years ago was about a biker guy driving his motorcycle along
a night road and a truck or some vehicle passed him and he felt it in the back of his neck.
And he just kept going and he wiped out.
He'd been shot.
And so a trucker saw what he thought were some headlights or
taillights going off the side of the road but wasn't sure, the vibration of the mirror and stuff.
So two hours later, he gets to town and says to a cop, I think I may have seen something.
You might want to go check it out.
They went out there and found the guy.
You know, he was still dead or alive, whatever it was.
The man is a quadriplegic.
He's the happiest guy on the planet, he said, as a quadriplegic.
And he said, all this to this, that what happened was he woke up in a green field
and the clarity of seeing miles was incredible.
And I can understand what he means.
I used to have 20 -10 vision and I was in seminary and this guy has these pair of eyeglasses and we'd just
fool around and put them on and I could see even better.
And I could see about a mile away in individual branches on trees.
And I was stunned at the clarity I was able to see.
20 -10 vision means I can see at 20 feet what you can see at 10 feet.
That's what 20 -10 means.
And so now it's like 28 ,000 and I can't see anything.
I've got glasses.
And so anyway, it just reminded me of that.
But anyway, he said that it was really incredible.
Okay, so here's the setting.
And I wrote this in the book.
And this is a basic story.
I borrowed it.
In this field, he said he saw this man coming.
And you could just tell it was a man.
And the closer he got, the more holy this person was and the worse he felt.
And it was Jesus.
And he could not bring himself to look up above his feet, which had holes in his feet.
And then he realized who it was.
And without talking, Jesus said, Come to me.
Come with me.
And took him to an edge.
And he started going down.
And the further he went down, the warmer it got and the hotter it got.
And he didn't like what he saw.
And he realized he was going to go down into hell or damnation.
And he went down to this place.
And he said he could see people in varying degrees of decay and torment in their existence
just out from where he was.
And the stench was unbearable and the heat and everything.
And he was clinging to the mud, the filth of the ground at the feet of Jesus
with every ounce of his existence, hoping in desperation he wouldn't be cast into that.
And then Jesus turned around and said, Come with me.
And went up to the hill and said, Your time is not done yet.
And he woke up in the hospital.
That left an impression on me.
Is it true?
I don't know.
Good story.
But it changed him and he became a Christian.
I know a guy in Salt Lake City who was shot seven times and saw Jesus.
We sat and I looked into his eyes.
I said, You saw him?
He says, Yes.
I said, What was it like?
And he said, I really can't tell you.
And it wasn't like this, I can't tell you.
He said it was too much.
He said he was there.
He saw him.
And he was wonderful.
He was glorious.
And he says, I just can't bring myself to talk about it very much.
And I have no reason to doubt him.
He's a good, godly man.
And he's real.
I believe they are.
The next question is from Amy Betancourt.
Are you in agreement with Calvinism?
I am a Calvinist.
I believe in all five points.
I can defend it very well.
The next question is from Christopher.
He's the Mormon guy.
We can be perfect.
Say your apostates later.
So Christopher says, We can be perfect as God promised us in the Bible.
Matthew 5, 48.
Therefore, be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.
The context starts in verse 43.
Love your neighbor and yourself.
It's basically what's going on there.
You love those who love you.
What good is it?
God lets the rain shine on the good, the rainfall on the good and the bad.
But he loves them both.
The context is loving others.
It doesn't mean becoming gods.
The next question is from Mark Roman.
He's asking, Do you believe that the Roman Church
became apostate?
Yes, I do believe that it became apostate.
When?
I think it was about 454 on, like, May 31st in
the year 387.
387 was a good engine.
454 is a good engine, too.
383.
Year 383.
That's a Mopar, isn't it?
And so 321 would be good.
March 21st.
I like that.
That's a good motor.
454 was a good crank.
Don't you think around 330?
Seriously?
When Constantine?
325?
325.
I don't know when the Roman Catholic Church became apostate.
But I'm not a historian.
I'm a theologian.
All I have to do is check with the Roman Catholic doctors, compare the Scripture, and you can
clearly see Roman Catholicism is apostate, false church.
And all who believe in its official Roman Catholic theology are on their way to hell when they die.
Got more questions, huh?
Lots of deleted comments.
Lots of what?
Deleting a lot of comments tonight.
A lot of comments.
Deleting a lot of comments.
They're inappropriate.
Oh, people are like atheists, cussing, swearing.
All the mature group.
Disgusting.
Being disgusting.
The Diaperinians who act like babies.
You know what Diaperinians are, right?
They throw crap at you.
What do they think they're accomplishing?
Nothing.
By going on there?
With children.
Being vulgar just shows you're depressed.
All they do is confirm Christianity.
Exactly.
What's ECF?
ECF?
Early Church Fathers.
Mark Ruhm says you've never read them.
I've never read the Church Fathers.
What does that mean?
I've never read every single thing all the Church Fathers, Anticene, Post -Anticene have
stated?
But have I gone through and read a lot of the material?
So go to my website, look under quotes from the Early Church Fathers where I've read them
over and over and over again.
Oh, boy.
Mark Ruhm is a rabid Roman Catholic who couldn't think his way out of a wet,
damp, old paper bag that cats have been sleeping
on.
That's a bad bag.
It's a bad bag.
I mean, it would blow.
He's in it going, I can't get out of it.
Christopher wants to know what you think you're accomplishing by bashing on Mormonism.
I'm trying to expose it for the lie that it is from Satan, and hopefully people will not join Mormonism and come to truth in the Lord
Jesus Christ, the true God of the Scripture, not the false God of Mormonism.
That's what I'm trying to do.
As the Bible says, contend for the faith in Jude 3.
And don't forget, Mormonism started it.
When Joseph Smith said that he, in the First Vision, said that God the Father said that all churches are false and
all doctrines and creeds are an abomination, I hold the West Venture Confession of Faith with a
few minor exceptions.
But I hold the WCF, it's called, and that was before Joseph Smith's time, so that means my creed is false.
Hey, he started it.
He started it.
I like stupid questions and comments.
It kind of helps.
We've got nothing.
You're having a good time reading some of this stuff.
It's called lame -ism.
Is the word horror a bad word?
It depends.
I mean, if you could use that or another word, I don't know.
Read the question.
That's what the question is.
It's a cuss word.
The great whore of Babylon, it's talked about that in the Bible.
The word's there, so a bad word.
Skubalon is the Greek word for defecation.
It has a negative connotation.
Don't give me that.
Skubalon, you could say, but that's what it means.
Like Polish guvna.
I've got to slip these things in there somehow.
They're totally useless facts.
And try and make them work.
They're good for impressing your date, but once you get married, it doesn't work anymore.
Well, what's a useless fact you haven't been able to get into that you've always wanted to?
Oh, I think it was in 1973.
Abu Dhabi was the richest nation in the world.
That's one of the useless facts.
It was in 1973, I think.
Do you know anything about the social justice warriors?
Is the term social justice supported by the Bible?
Depends what you mean by social justice.
They have to...
What a lot of people want to do is use the Bible to change society quickly and permanently right away.
But they don't understand that what happens is the gospel is not meant to do that.
The gospel is meant to change people.
And people, because they change, society changes.
That's what's supposed to happen.
But we are supposed to be out there fighting for truth, justice in the American way.
In the biblical way.
Say what?
I was going to say social justice warriors are after monetary and
or social equality in society.
They've got something you don't have yet.
It's communists.
Communists.
Yeah, they're communists.
They just call social justice as if their procedure is the right way.
So they want to take from those who have worked hard and give it to those who haven't.
And call it equality.
It's justification of theft.
That's right.
And the haves and the have -nots.
And the class struggle by Karl Marx and all that kind of stuff.
That's all it is.
So if I have a bigger house than you, if I was to take a bedroom off and give it to you.
You know, come into my house and try that.
We'll see what happens.
People just don't think.
I wish they would.
We're not good thinkers.
It's slow.
It's got to be because it's July.
It's all vacation.
Maybe we should take another couple weeks off or something.
You're in part two.
Are you in part two?
Yes, so you can bring your books.
I'll bring books.
I will bring stuff next time.
It could be that we were off for two weeks and people just started back up.
That's true.
But that's all right.
We have no way of really getting stuff out.
I need to start putting announcements up on Carnivous.
Upcoming events and things like that.
Announce it on the radio show that you have going on.
I did.
I announced it today.
But, you know, it's hard for the drive from New Jersey to get here.
No, but at least they can come online.
How many people are online watching?
Like three.
How many?
Because of Roman Catholics.
A couple of strippers Mormons.
Well, the people in the chat are pitting Mark Rome and Christopher the Mormon against each other.
That's good stuff.
So which heretic is going to win?
Yeah, whose church is truest.
I would think the Roman would win between the two.
Roman Catholicism has more to go on than Mormonism.
They've got a lot more stuff there.
Mormonism is more like Swiss cheese.
Mormonism is whacked.
They can't defend it or nothing.
At least the Catholics have a Bible and they believe some of it.
I guess we're going to have to wrap it up here, huh?
Yeah, I mean, they're just being silly.
We'll just wrap it up then.
No big deal.
You can grow your mustache back.
My wife doesn't like it, so I can't.
You can do the whole face.
I want to do a goatee.
No, she doesn't like it.
I can't.
Otherwise, no smooching.
See you.
See you tomorrow.
No trial run with all of it?
I've had it before, and she says she doesn't like it.
It tickles.
It itches.
And she doesn't like the smooch.
So I'm like, dang it.
That's it.
There's some old videos out there where he's got the little thing going like this.
Trying different ways.
I see my wife would like it.
She finally said no.
I shaved it off one day.
It hasn't been back.
Okay, here's a good one.
Is there a quote, original Bible?
Is it an original Bible?
Yeah, where it's like the oldest one compiled.
Oh.
So what would be the oldest version of the Bible we have with the present books?
That, I used to know.
There's a term, a word, but I don't remember.
And why were some of the books left out that were written?
There weren't any books left out of the Bible that belonged in the Bible.
What about the extra books like the book of Thomas?
It wasn't supposed to be in the Bible.
Yeah, I like that answer.
It's not supposed to be in the Bible.
I always hear about it.
What are the criteria for why the early church decided to leave out the stories?
The general criteria.
The general criteria of why the early church would admit certain books into the New Testament canon was it had to have an apostolic
authorship.
It was verified or have a very strong tradition of the verification of it.
And plus the content, plus the witness of the spirit upon people as they would recognize it,
and congruity it would have with the rest of the scriptures.
And if it deviated some of those and other criteria, which I don't know too much about, then they just didn't consider
The gospel of Thomas was never considered to be true.
Just like the book of Enoch was not considered to be true either.
It was known by Christ and others.
It just wasn't considered to be authentic.
They didn't quote from it.
But just because someone quotes from a book and the quote is in the Bible doesn't mean that the book it's quoted from
is inspired.
Just as Paul quoted Epimenides, Menander, and Erastus.
These are three pagan philosophers.
He quoted them, but it doesn't mean that the entire philosophy of these pagans is correct.
So just because a book is referenced doesn't mean it's true.
Just the book of Enoch is referenced.
On Karma I've got an article that lists close to 30 books mentioned in the
Bible that aren't even inspired.
Book of the War of the Lords, or War of the Chronicles of War is something in the Old Testament.
Things like that.
They're there.
Any more questions?
Any more?
Why would Jesus say that whosoever believes in him would have
eternal life if he did not die for all of humanity's sins?
If he did not bear the sins of everybody, and he says whosoever would, then the
whosoever who are going to are the ones appointed to believe by God, Acts 13 .48.
They're appointed for eternal life.
They're also granted by God to believe, Philippians 1 .29.
And they're granted repentance, 2 Timothy 2 .25.
We're born again not of our own will, John 1 .13.
So the whosoever are the ones appointed by God to believe.
He died for certain people, and then those people are the whosoever who will believe.
Whosoever, like John 3 .16, God's love of the world, he gave his only begotten son.
Whoever would believe, people say, whoever therefore means it can be anybody with their free will.
Well, it doesn't say that.
It's just something that people just think it means.
Furthermore, it doesn't say whosoever in John 3 .16 in the Greek.
The word for whosoever is hos is not there.
What is there is pas hap stuon, all the
believing one.
It actually says the believing one, not ones, the one.
And so that's what it literally says, that not whosoever would believe, but all the believing one
would have eternal life.
So all the ones who believe.
But why are they believing?
Because God grants that they believe.
Leviticus 1 .29 clearly says so.
It's been granted to you to believe.
Also, they said, what must we do to work the works of God?
And Jesus says, this is the work of God that you believe on whom he has said.
John 6 .20 .29.
What's that?
Can you please give your thoughts?
Wait, hold on.
I can't hear you.
Do you believe that at least 5 % of America is regenerate?
At least?
He says 5 % is probably too high.
Probably.
But I don't know.
Can you please give some of your thoughts about the Apocrypha?
Apocrypha is not inspired in Tobit.
It has money given for forgiveness of sins.
Maccabees has a
screen.
Your incoming call.
That's interesting.
Why would it do that on my phone?
I don't know who that is.
It popped up on the video screen.
We'll figure it out later.
What was the question?
I thought my wife had been called because her brother is in the hospital under emergency surgery.
So I thought she might have got some news.
That's why I was paying attention to the phone.
For those who don't know, emergency surgery saves lives.
Because from here down to his groin is dissected.
Come on next week.
Find some of your LDS friends.
Come on here.
I guess that's it, huh?
What's Bonnerism?
What's what?
Bonnerism?
Those who worship the lead singer of U2?
Bono.
Bonoism.
We're still live.
I don't know what it is.
Bye.
That was fun.