How to Have a Quick Gospel Conversation with Mormons

Who the LDS organization says that Jesus is and what the Bible says, which is the previous revelation that we kind of go back

to.

Have you heard kind of those differences at all between like what a Christian Bible believe in Christian would believe.

I feel like a lot of people think certain things about my church.

Because there are differences right but it gets like weirdly out of proportion.

But in all in all we still believe in a Savior right who came to earth, right?

To Save us from spiritual and physical death.

Yeah, we use the Bible and the Book of Mormon, right?

And there's just differences it doesn't it's not like we're all worshiping different gods.

You know what I mean?

It's all it's all based off of like believing in Jesus Christ.

My mom said is Jewish so a lot of the time I attend Jewish things as well because my blood I'm actually a Jew

and again, I'm just like it's not like it's a different religion.

We just have different ideas of different things.

It's really cool.

With that, I don't know that's why I say we all believe in Jesus Christ we all believe in following

Although maybe different doctrines or whatever two different religions and different things we all have a common purpose I

guess so, but I appreciate your I am Christian pamphlet.

That's really cool.

I'm on my way I don't have a long time again discussion.

I feel like when we get this discussion sometimes they come.

Yeah, no, we don't want that.

We want to have respectful conversations.

I get that.

What's your name?

Natalie Eric good to meet you.

So, can I give you something to chew on just as you go?

So would you say that the Muslim who we would both disagree with what they say about God?

They say that God is Unitarian and Absolutely monotheistic there's only

one God and he exists in one Person.

There's no try.

You like I said, I believe in a Trinity and you believe in Multiple gods because God was once a man and became.

Yes, so but you believe three separate beings.

Believe that there's God Heavenly Father.

Yeah, right.

The Sun Jesus Christ.

Yeah, right.

Yes, so we believe that there are three specific parts of the Godhead, but they're all they each are their own being right?

They're their own being but they're one in purpose.

So I think that's the only difference you believe.

Yeah, one God it's the same thing still believe in Jesus Christ Heavenly Father in the Holy Ghost.

But you believe it's all one thing.

But do you believe that they're all God.

Yeah, so that that would be three different gods, right?

Realistically, that's three gods.

Okay, and then I believe there's only one God.

But I believe he's trying and the Muslim says no.

No God is, you know singular and Monotheistic so we both would

kind of say well.

That's a different understanding than what you had and a different understanding what I have.

But then the Muslim goes on to say that also Jesus didn't die on the cross like I've had a Muslim tell me

that it was actually Judas.

But he was made to look like Jesus.

Because Judas.

Yeah.

Exactly and so they denied that.

Spiritual death and physical death obviously, I'm sure you still believe in a resurrection and I do yeah.

And so I think we have a lot of course.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Just that's okay.

Not a big deal for similar values and understanding who Jesus Christ and who God is as well.

I don't think it's a lot of difference between what some people call the Trinity and what other people call the Godhead.

I think it's very very similar.

I think there's it's similar, but I think the differences are pretty crucial.

Yeah and then just kind of the other one that I see as like Pretty significant

is kind of how we define grace.

And how do we define the gospel?

Yeah, like from in my understanding.

The third article of faith is kind of like a pretty good description of what of the gospel that the LDS organization

teaches right.

It says That through the atonement of Christ all men may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of

the gospel.

But They actually said the gospel of Jesus Christ is number four, which is faith.

Yes.

Yeah, so that's the gospel by which you're saved so like number three talks about yeah all men may be saved

through because of because of what Jesus did.

All men may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel and then the Number four explains what

that means.

So they're talking about faith repentance and baptism like you must be baptized to be saved.

So you're so.

Yeah, it's an ordinance.

Exactly I do but I don't think that it's necessary for salvation.

So I think that it is an outward sign that declares to the world that I trust in Christ

as my Savior.

But when you say that you are saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of that gospel and

Then one of those includes a work that you have to submit yourself to and be baptized.

I think it goes against what Paul says in the book of Romans where he says that If or I think it's

Galatians if he said he says if you add any one work.

Are you familiar with the book of Galatians in the Bible?

I mean little bits.

I'm not I'm not very good at studying my scriptures.

That's fine.

It's it's a struggle for all those I

think that to add any work.

So what Paul's saying in Galatians?

The the the context like what's happening?

So Galatia was a city that Paul formed a church in.

He's he planted a church and he pastored it for a time and then He's writing them a letter.

And so what was happening was they were having men called the Judaizers who were Jews and they were

coming in and saying yes, you have to believe in Jesus to be saved.

But first you have to become Jewish and you have to be circumcised.

You have to be circumcised first then you believe in Jesus and then you can be saved.

And so they're adding that one little work and Paul says if you add any one work of the law

You've know you've fallen from grace and Christ is no of no value to you.

So I think if you're adding baptism as a work, you must do to be saved.

Then you have a fundamental Misunderstanding of what the Bible teaches grace to be and that's our

concern.

He was baptized.

So we do that to follow Christ, right?

Yeah, and so we have certain ordinances.

But they're not necessarily like trying to be like works of like earning our way into heaven.

It's just kind of specific promises we make with God and then we try to keep them and with the whole works in

gracing as well.

I know that in Calvary us members feel a lot like we have to do works because there's this whole thing about

like You're saved up for all you can do.

But I think from what I've studied from even church leaders a lot of it is about

That you can't earn your way to heaven like his grace is sufficient.

He's covered.

There's the atonement, right?

But it's more about just trying to do your effort and trying to like grow as a person and.

I Have an agreement with with a lot of Latter -day Saints where like if you have someone who

says they're a Christian But then goes and lives in wanton sin I would say there's reason to question

whether or not their profession of faith is true.

No, God's the judge ultimately, yeah.

God's the judge ultimately but then like the Bible tells us yeah.

I do doesn't mean that we both don't believe in a loving God.

Whatever.

It's different past, but it's not like it's like totally different religions.

We're not worshiping like Buddhist gods.

I.

Understand but I think that that Fundamentally God is different in because you believe that he was once a man and we are of

the same nature as God himself Whereas I believe that we are of a totally completely separate

different nature.

God talks about his holiness a lot in the Bible and and Part of the meaning of holy is

separate or other and he clearly says multiple times.

I am NOT a I'm God I'm not a man that I should you know, I'm ever -changing everlasting

But of the same of the same essence of the same nature, you know what I mean like like you The

I think they use the term Like God's in embryo.

Like you believe that.

Yeah, I think it's just it's one I've heard so like

It's not like you have to fundamentally change to become something different you just have to get better at

being what you are

I.

They're doing rights they're doing things.

So the way I understand any priesthood is that like you had the prophet who was who

would go Before God or he would go before men on behalf of God and then you had the priest who would go

before God on behalf of men so like Yeah,

well, yeah, so that's I mean Judaism is the first half of my Bible essentially so like Yeah.

So like in the Old Testament when when they were doing the animal sacrifices on the Day of Atonement what would happen is that

the the priest would sacrifice a An animal for himself for his sins and then he would

sacrifice on behalf of the people so he would take the sins of the people put it on this animal slaughter the animal and then take

the blood into the holiest Of holy places and put it on the altar.

He would sprinkle that blood.

Yes, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, so he would he would do that but he was doing that before God and if you actually go to Hebrews

It talks about Jesus taking and offering his own blood in the heavenly holy of holies.

So he went to.

Like not just the one on earth, but he actually ascended into heaven and presented his sacrifice before God the Father.

Yeah, like and it talks it's if you read through like Hebrews like 7 through 10.

It's an it's a beautiful picture about Jesus being a better priest.

And a better mediator.

And we have no need to go back to old sacrifices.

We have no need to go back to that that it's through Christ alone.

Yeah but like.

So that's just how I understand the priesthood and then I lost our train of thought.

I don't know where.

You said Natalie, right?

Yes.

Good to meet you.

Have a good night.