A Wide Open, Caller-Driven Dividing Line

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Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Announcements About Christopher Hitchens and the John 10:16 Conference

Hey, good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line on a Thursday afternoon. Have some announcements here to get started with if you sort of watch the banner ads, which you really should do. That's sort of how he announced things.

I can't believe how many people come to channel. Hey, what about this? And well, it's right there in the banner ad there on the website but First of all, I think most of you heard Yesterday if you did not the announcement that atheist writer Christopher Hitchens has received a diagnosis of esophageal cancer and will be beginning a treatment regimen For that rather dangerous and a difficult disease chemotherapy, obviously and as a result as expected then the official word from His publicist was he was looking for a postponement of our debate not so much a cancellation but obviously That would depend completely upon A successful completion of the chemotherapy and so on and so forth so I Requested yesterday on the blog that we pray for Christopher Hitchens.

Christopher Hitchens is a fascinating fellow. He is obviously extremely intelligent as I have listened to many hours of him Speaking I cannot but be taken with his Sense of humor. With the with the appearance of common grace and in the man's life in many ways and yet also, obviously The man is a blasphemer he he knows that the Christian God does not exist and hates him verily.

At the same time and I think there are reasons for that that actually come out in his in his autobiography. But we need to pray for his recovery and for his conversion obviously God can change any heart and if any of us think that somehow We were better than Christopher Hitchens.

I think it's a good place for once again theology matters in the sense that a Heart of stone is a heart of stone and Sometimes there's something downright refreshing about the atheistic heart of stone.

Because in in some ways it's more honest than the self-righteous religious heart of stone and so We have let everyone know about that situation and that means that right now Chris Arnzen is doing what he can To arrange for a different debate on Long Island around that same time period and We'll see if he's successful.

It would be a good debate if we get the the first individual that we have contacted. I have debated him before and they've always been very good debates, that's probably enough of a of a statement to Probably give most people a hint as to who we might be contacting.

But anyway, we will see what happens and We'll go from there. Now. The other thing is if you watch the The banner ads you will know that one of them is missing that has been up there for quite some time and that is the John 1016 conference at the beginning of August.

In fact, I just realized I last night was going to send an email with someone and I forgot to. The John 1016 conference has been canceled. There were not enough signups. The folks are putting on have been told by folks in New York.

Well, nobody signs up until the last minute in New York. That's just the way New Yorkers are well, they just couldn't take that risk and buy lots of airplane tickets and everything else and Unfortunately, I was supposed to speak the day after that at another conference.

But if I no longer have my ride in essence to New York, that's not going to be possible. So I need to get hold of those folks and say not to be able to be there either so it looks like I won't be there in early August, but I Hopefully will be there at the end of August.

Possibly the weekend before the 30th something along those lines. And we can hope to have arranged at least a single debate while we are back there. So Just some announcements along those those lines we've also put up very thankful to Hasim son of Ramallah king of graphics for putting up the discern and the believers reasons.

Listings you'll notice that in both of those I will be debating. Dr. Robertson Janice and total of three times twice in September and once in October. And so hopefully you'll be able to get that information and remember there's a little Widget dookie thing.

They're not the banner ads. You can stop them if you want to. You know read a little bit more about what's in that particular one before it fades into the next one or however. Whatever it does transitions, whatever.

Looks really cool. And if you have pop-up blocker on all that is is a big black box. It's amazing how many people go why do y 'all have a big black box at the beginning of your website is. If that was well, we just really like big black boxes.

That's. That's what we put it there. No, no, that's actually supposed to be a really cool graphical thing. And I realize there are some folks that are still on dial-up. That's hard to say without laughing but I saw on dial-up.

They don't like things like that, but that's okay. It's it's alright. Okay, it's seven seven seven five three three three four one eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. I saw an announcement in channel a few moments ago there that dividing that line will not be working today.

I Don't mean the dividing line. I mean the Skype connection and so people will sound like they're on phone lines again because they will be on. We don't have the ability to take Skype calls today. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but we will we will figure that out in time.

Returning to Detroit and Upcoming Ministry Dates

Let's start by heading up to where I was not very long ago and we'll be going back by the way. Let me mention this Poor Haseem son of Ramallah king of graphics may have to come up with something more.

I Am going back to Detroit in a matter of weeks. I will. I'm not sure what the ABN schedule is going to be Aramaic broadcasting network, but I would assume probably at least Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and probably Friday of that week in August beginning August 16th so that would be the 17th.

Let me look here real quick. Here we go by the 17th the 20th. I'm assuming We will be doing live Jesus or Muhammad shows again. The earlier time zone. Or maybe just go for an extra hour or something. So it goes into the later time zone.

I don't know. Well, we'll figure something out. But I'll be recording. I'll be continuing a series. I started recording with them called answering Islam. And then we'll be doing live programs as well.

Hopefully maybe Tony Costa can come down or Sam Shamoon or you know, we can have some of the guys there and Continue to do that. I really did enjoy doing that. And who knows maybe someday manu will be can will be converted.

It's it's it's in the Lord's hands, but That'll be in August. I'll be heading back your direction and then that weekend on Saturday and Sunday the 21st 22nd, I'll be with Paul Edwards at his Reformed Baptist fellowship there.

I think it's Oakdale Bible Church. I believe is the new name that has changed the name. So you can't blame me too much on that one. And I'll be with them on a Saturday and on Sunday morning in the services there, so Heading back to the Detroit area just had so much fun with everybody there.

Just had to come back and And do some more stuff. So I thought we'd mention that and I'll try to get that information to Our graphics guru man, and we can get something put on on the website about that, too.

Church Discipline, Ecclesiology, and the Ergun Caner Controversy

Okay let's talk with speaking of That sort of part of the country, Michigan. Let's talk with Wayne. Hi Wayne.

Good. Hey, it's good news. You'll be coming back this way. Yeah. Oh good. Mm-hmm. Well a.

Couple things first of all That is a a condition contrary to fact to utilize some Greek grammar language. I Would love to see Ergon Kanner showing any sign of repentance at all the the fact that at this point in time the information we have is demonstrating a a complete silence on his part in in responding to these things and and be a Protestation of his innocence in his classes anyways.

Yeah, I realize I realize that I just want I want the problem is the problem is not everybody Realizes that's hypothetical. They don't they don't realize they they feel like he actually has repented and there's no evidence that but secondly The problem is if Ergon Kanner was in my church This would have been something that would have had to have been dealt with by the elders of the church.

And I've seen no evidence right now That Thomas Road Baptist Church has done absolutely positively anything along these lines at all so you've got a fundamental fundamentally different view of Ecclesiology and in fact Kanner comes from a a Baptist background that Connects the concept of plurality of elders With Reformed theology and therefore it's something that's to be resisted in the sense of at least our understanding of that that concept of the plurality of elders, so Well, I don't know I I can't I can't answer that I don't know my my I saw a single quote Yesterday that would give me some Grounds of answering at least a portion of that someone quoted Ergon Kanner yesterday is saying that the deacons of Thomas Road Baptist Church could shut down the university on one day's notice so That would lead me to assume I'm going to and no matter what I say, there's certain people that don't care.

They're not gonna allow me to contextualize anything. But for the rational folks in the audience I I don't know this for certain but if that was an accurate quote, then it would seem that Thomas Road has the standard monarchical pastor single pastor.

Big staff hired on Staff there normally are ordained but are not considered to be equal with the pastor. And then you've got the deacons who in essence control The purse strings and can hire and fire pastors and things like that.

Where the deacons are given a biblical role that the New Testament never envisions for them in any way shape or form if that's the case. Then there would have to be Major public sin. And there'd have to be votes on by the deacon body and you get all the politics and all the rest that kind of stuff that comes along with that kind of Formation and so there's a disconnect at that point because from our perspective Once this information had come to light then the elders would have to go this individual and they would present the Information to the individual especially if he was an individual.

Who had ever been in the pulpit of the church? If this is if this was a member of the church that was not involved in ministry. There'd be a slightly different approach I think than a person who has stood behind the pulpit, but we all know that Eric and Kenner has preached to Thomas Road Baptist Church and therefore there would be a rather strict standard that would be and that you would not be allowed to Hide behind politically correct phrases.

It would be a matter of Are these are these accusations true? Can you substantiate what you have claimed including from this pulpit? And if you cannot do so Then there needs to be a a public statement of confession and repentance.

That either can be read to the congregation or you can read the congregation yourself in Seeking restoration and if you're not willing to do these things Then there would be a disfellowshipping and the person would be treated as as an unbeliever if they were not willing to Admit the truth and and repent of their sins and do the right thing.

But that requires a certain kind of ecclesiology that is unfortunately extremely rare in in much of modern evangelicalism. And of course an attitude that that actually takes the whole concept of the purity of the church and in this case the purity of the pulpit seriously and So I think that's where a lot of the the disconnects are taking place now.

One thing I did want to mention since you brought this up and since this has been one of the primary things that people have Used to beat me over the head. This is not a Matthew 18 issue. I Would say the most common Objection has been raised to me.

Is that this should have all been done in private. Ergon canner's sins of dishonesty were not in private. They were from the pulpit of not one church not half a dozen church churches, but dozens of churches and as a result Matthew 18 is about if someone sins against you it's about personal sin and You go to him privately now, by the way.

When when I first became aware that there was a problem here I went to him privately when I when I heard back from Shabir Ali that should barely had never debated him let alone. Anything else even knew him?

I went to him privately and He immediately wanted to keep it that way and I said no This this is a this is a public issue. But I went to him privately and said please explain this and it was not until he put out a non-repentance statement that I Had to publicly respond to it so this is not a Matthew 18 issue and anybody who says listen that been done privately just has a If they're if they're using Matthew 18, they're they're abusing Matthew 18.

And if they're not using Matthew 18 that I just have to ask why is it that public? Deception of the people of God from the pulpit is to be handled privately. I don't understand it and I've had no one who makes that argument.

Give me any kind of biblical explanation whatsoever.

As to why that's the case. So there you go. Well, I want to make a clear differentiation between that I in hindsight.

When I look back over the correspondence that I had with Ergin Kanner at that time and The behavior that he demonstrated at that time in hindsight, it makes perfect sense now. But at the time it never crossed my mind that there was I I did I did ask him about that, but I accepted though.

I found it strange I accepted his response that they were done at local community colleges and therefore hadn't been recorded. I I didn't. Call me naive I guess but I didn't press on on the issue now in hindsight I look at and go.

Wow, it was it was right there in front of us the whole time. But at the time I didn't I didn't even see it myself. Yeah, well that was then and I Honestly as I as has been documented I I mentioned Ergin Kanner one time between the spring of 2007 and the summer of 2009 on my blog and that Was in passing and it really wasn't even about him.

So I just moved on and it was not until this other stuff came up that things changed so anyways, thanks Wayne. Okay, thanks a lot. All right. God bless. Yeah. All right, eight seven seven seven five three three three four one.

The Temple, Hebrews, and the Dating of Acts and Hebrews

Let's talk with.

Jacob. Hi Jacob, but yes, sir. Studying at Columbia evangelical seminary too. So I just wanted to mention. Know of any references in the Nag Hammadi text or the pseudepigrapher. I would have no reason to.

To doubt.

That such References could exist. I off the top of my head. Don't I mean certainly in the pseudepigrapher you would have References to that. But in Nag Hammadi I would. I would have to go to my To my resources to to come up with any recollection of a specific reference to the destruction of the temple.

But I wouldn't I wouldn't find that to be an unusual thing at all. What's what's the background your question?

The book of Acts and Hebrews and and how there's no mention of the temple or right and using that as a mean well.

See I use the same argument especially as I'm going through Hebrews right now there I mentioned in Chapter 7 Right the beginning. I get off top my head. I think it's verse three where it says if perfection came through the little priesthood and I point out the only people that would ever even think of that the Gentile Christians would never even give consideration the idea of perfection coming through the Levitical priesthood.

But the only way to make sense of the argument of the epistle at that point is that the temple is still standing and the Levitical priesthood is still a valid thing that people could be being drawn to and and so There's there's excellent internal information from both Luke and Hebrews that would place them well before 8070.

I mean you really have to be Have a huge agenda To try to post date either of those books after the destruction of the temple. But that's because they're specifically addressing subjects relevant to the continuing existence of the temple whereas, you know the pseudepigraph Certainly might make references to the destruction of the temple given the topics that they addressed but Nag Hammadi Especially with its its Gnostic elements, you know.

There might be something and they're thinking at that point where you know The temple was the earthly and things like that and they're much more focused upon, you know, the spiritual Christ. So you know, but again, they could they could make reference to destruction of the temple and On the on that basis talk about the spiritual over against the physical too.

I don't know. It's just not something I've ever looked up. Maybe somebody in channel Could well actually Notice that an atheist in channel just mentioned something from Gospel Barnabas. That's not pseudepigraph.

Oh, but you know obviously those Anything written past the destruction of the temple pretty easy to make reference to it.

I have time for a follow-up question or not. Sure. Sure. Go ahead. Well, I'm just a baby Christian and I'm new to it. I agree with the five points of Calvinism. Sovereignty over some people are predestined for well again.

You need to be careful in the in utilization of that that type of terminology. In fact, we had a call on on the last program of where we address that very thing and Me and the caller knew we were talking about but it might be good to expand upon that When you when you talk about predestination to hell.

You have to be careful to avoid the concept of equal ultimacy. Equal ultimacy is the idea that The action of God in extending Not just unmerited but demerited favor grace to certain members of the fallen race of Adam called the elect is equal to the same nature as the choosing of a person to receive punishment.

These are not the same things the fact that a person is a sinner brings a penalty upon them simply due to their status as a sinner and in fact given the concept of federal theology and our representation in Adam and in Christ.

Then the fallen sons and daughter daughters of Adam if they receive simply what is justice will receive punishment. It is an extraordinary extension of Grace and mercy made available only because of the certainty and the accomplishment of the work of Jesus Christ.

That can allow the elect to receive forgiveness of sins have that the heart of stone taken out given a heart of flesh receive regeneration forgiveness adoption, etc, etc. And so there is a vast difference between the justice of God allowing for the demonstration of his wrath against sinners and The extension of mercy and grace in the salvation of the elect they they cannot be seen as parallel things.

And so when you talk about the term predestination unto hell That's that's where you have to be very careful that you're not saying that the act of predestination to heaven is parallel to an act of predestination to hell because Those would not be the same things.

One is an act of justice, which simply says that any person who does not have perfect justice before God Is an abomination and will be punished outside of his presence whereas the other is an extension a self-sacrificial a giving of eternal life to the elect people of God and they are are very very very different divine actions and Those need to be need to be very strongly differentiated from one another as to why that is again.

The the strongest answer to all of this I think is is found in Paul's words in writing to the Ephesians. Where he says he says that he predestined us for adoption of sons through Jesus Christ according the purpose of his will To the praise of his glorious grace with which he has blessed us in the beloved and so you have It is according to his will and it is to the praise of his glorious grace.

And so God deems it appropriate That his grace be demonstrated. But if that was a universal salvation Then that grace would not be seen in other words if there is not the exercise of wrath and justice.

But there is a universal salvation then that grace Cannot be seen because there's nothing to contrast it with. Not all of the attributes of God would be demonstrated his holiness his wrath his justice as well as His mercy his grace and his love and of course either in universalism or in the situation where God saves no one God would have no choice.

No freedom of action. In either one of those situations, which he does have in the creation of the university created wherein you have the extension of his mercy and grace to the elect people of God. Okay, and Down there in Florida.

I imagine it's probably a little bit humid right now, isn't it? Well a hundred and I saw a hundred and thirteen today and the humidity has spiked it's gonna go away for a few days. But we get the monsoon flow coming in and it gets it gets furnace-like here.

There's no two ways about it. So, all right. Thanks. Thanks Jacob. Thank you, sir. God bless. Bye. Bye. Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one we're just gonna go blowing right through the Normal break here because we've got we have one phone line open right now but since Ryan, hold on just one second.

But since we have a overseas call and those can be very very expensive. Let's try to help Michael here, especially since Michael lives in Australia where he gets very small portions of food. For much more money than we pay here in the United States for larger portions of food.

So we need to save him some money, right Michael.

The Love of God, Election, and Divine Freedom

Well, thank you Michael. I mean, let me just ask you Michael. Are they from the u .s. And two of them are actually Pacific Islands. Really? Yeah. Interesting interesting. Well, I've actually been challenging the Pacific Islands.

Sorry about the background. I've been challenging the Pacific Islands is about the whole racism aspects, right? How. His name right? Thanks. Repeated references. Well, let me just give folks a little background here.

Let me read all of second Nephi 25 19 and maybe Jamie can sort of pop that down a little bit. So people can hear can hear me for according to the words of the prophets the Messiah cometh in 600 years from the time that my father left Jerusalem and According to the words the prophet and also the Word of the Angel of God.

His name shall be Jesus Christ The Son of God now, you know, it's interesting I'm not looking at the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon here. But it would be interesting to make sure that was the the original reading but be that as it may it is painfully obvious that Joseph Smith is operating on a very Shallow understanding and he does see Jesus Christ as as a name now.

He interestingly enough in that very verse uses Messiah at one point. But he does use, you know, this this this idea that the very name of Jesus Was known amongst the Nephites and the Lamanites hundreds of years Before the time of Christ here in this world when that was not the case In the old world amongst the Jews and and things like that.

Yeah, that has been addressed. I didn't really focus too much I mean in Letters to a Mormon Elder I talked about the Anachronisms of the Book of Mormon and and there's a truckload of them. But there are so many you could develop that you could you could write entire books as people have.

Some of those anachronisms are developed much more fully in things written by for example Gerald and Sandra Tanner on the subject of the Book of Mormon, so. Yeah, though all of that is there and it's it's amazing to read the scholarship coming out of Utah that attempts to Find ways of turning this so plainly 19th century document into an ancient document.

But they they keep putting forth a strong effort. Are you are you familiar Michael with the Gerald and Sandra Tanner? Okay, good good excellent excellent. She's she's quite a source of information. Thank you, Michael.

All right. God bless. Bye. Bye. Yeah, it sounds like a typhoon is. That was not a Skype call Anyway shape or form. He's on Skype maybe on Skype mobile. Well. Maybe on Skype mobile because that was that was one of the loudest background Sounds I've heard so anyways, let's Press on here eight seven seven seven five three three three four one.

Let's talk with Ryan. Down south. Hi Ryan. Hey, Dr. White. Can you hear me? I certainly can. My question is about.

Love and from the biblical sense. Like in the way where the Bible says love your husband's love your wife. It's Christ's love the church and how John 3 16 said for God to love the world. I will speak use the word love.

Does it mean dilemma. Is it say and therefore it is love or this is a love is the term we use. Because he loved us and and and things that nature and the reason. This was the idea that.

You know with God's love me You get my where I'm coming from. Well, I'm not I'm not a hundred percent certain there the Fact is that God is a personal being just as we are and just as and in fact our personhood is is dependent upon him and His creation of us and as a result just as we have Differing kinds of love the God does as well.

And so there is the general beneficence of God that is the only reason why any sinner exists for Even a second after after he comes into existence as a sinner. There is there is that that love that is expressed in creation the fact that even the worst sinner, you know, Adolf Hitler while he was killing and murdering millions of people undoubtedly stood on on many a a Porch in in the in the Alps and places like that.

Well, not the Alps, but well, yeah, probably else. But in various places and and and looked at the sunset and saw the beauty of God's creation around him. So there is that expression of God's beneficence and love.

But then there is a very special love that exists between the husband and the wife that has to be different in kind Than the love that exists between the husband and any other woman. So there has to be specificity there has to be knowledge it has to have a different character and nature to it and the love that God has for his elect people which expresses itself in the coming of Christ and his self-sacrifice then obviously is a Kind of love that is is truly amazing now when we talk about that love.

This was set upon us before before time itself and so I would say that that what is primary in God's nature is the fact that God is love and Election then flows from and is the demonstration of the fact that he is love and he is expressing that love that love exists between the father and the son and By uniting a people with the son that love then is shed abroad in our hearts as well.

And so I I think if you're asking what came first his love for us that leads to our Election or is his love for us due to his election. I'm not sure how to answer that I would say that his his love is Primary in its expression of who he is and that everything else flows from his desire.

Like I said the last caller or maybe the caller before that actually his desire to demonstrate and give evidence of the entirety of His divine attributes his justice his holiness his wrath Against sin his power as well as his love his mercy his grace.

And so I think that's the the the fountainhead and then everything else creation itself. Our our election under grace flows from that that desire. So we need to be careful putting too much of a temporal Order on that in light of God's eternality and existence outside of the realm of time, but An order of priority I think is is appropriate and and I think love would be at the very root of everything that God has chosen.

To do and maybe you have addressed it and you can just go like, you know God loves the elect like when you I'm so right, but he didn't love the non-elect in a saving way. Why is it that he loved and didn't?

The non-elect I know the body has nothing to do with that. Sure, it's not merely that we just don't know but it's applicable of understanding. Well, I I think that.

Yeah. When when you when you say why does what why does God love the elect and not the non-elect? That's that's part of God's choice in a redeeming way. It's God's choice. You see the extension of grace the extension of of electing grace is based upon as we saw in Ephesians 1 5 the kind intention of his will and That that term you'd a key on that is used there good pleasure.

Goodwill approval satisfaction. It's that which pleases God it Fundamentally, it pleased God to extend mercy grace and love and that that that that Salvific love is part and parcel of that grace that is given to us and He was free to do so in the way that Glorified himself in the way he desired to be glorified.

It's not the well, he saved as many as he could thing He could save everybody if he wanted to that's that that's not even in question though for many people's theology That's not a possibility. He chose to glorify himself in the way that was pleasing in his sight and That's really where the the mystery lies is Why one and not another well, it's the kind intention of his will the praise of his glorious grace.

That is the only biblical answer that is given and if it's not satisfying for someone well that that's a spiritual ask the spiritual aspect coming into play, but It it does not find the answer in us ourselves as if well once we were elected then that drew his love.

No, the love the love comes first and results in the election and The answer as to why ultimately comes down to freedom. I mean, I have to you know, it's it's amazing how many people talk about how Calvinism is wrong because we have to freely choose we were dead and sin then I guess the whole thing falls apart but when it comes to God's freedom to express His love and his purpose as he sees fit I Submit the only way the only the only understood biblical understanding that honors.

That is the Reformed view because we're the ones that say We go to Ephesians 1 5 6 and say according the kind intention of his will it is his will that is predominant and it Is the satisfaction of his will and pleasing him that matters as the as the final thing and that we as his creatures that's why we exist is to to to for his pleasure for his his sovereign pleasure and that's what the atheists just that's what Christopher Hitchens detests, but My submission is that when the heart of man the rebellious heart of man has changed that is something we rejoice in not something that we rebel against I Think I think that the love is the attribute that brings about all Else that God has done it is his desire to to demonstrate all those attributes including his love and his mercy.

That results then in what he's done to glorify himself. So the attributes always Give rise to the actions.

You know like husbands love your wife or love one another and that how do we. I mean I can see how God and his Mystery, you know things of that nature. Does what he does his attribute of love that nature.

Are they the same thing at all or is it completely different?

Well his his his the fact that God is love Results in his acting always in accordance with love. And that's that's not just It is different for us in the sense that a All of our experience is tainted by sin be we are limited creatures time-bound creatures etc, etc, but So we have to allow God's love to transcend any of our experience of it.

But the exhortations to love as Christ has loved us God gives us examples and illustrations of his love in the redemption of Covenant people and patience toward them in the sending of prophets and obviously in the greatest way and in the giving of Jesus Christ and so It is different.

Because our experience is different, but it is the same because we're created the image of God and given the capacity To love in the way that he would command us to love and that he would desire to see us to love One another so Yes, any exhortation that's that's based upon what God has done.

There's gonna be a breakdown in analogy at some point because we are creatures were time-bound and we're fallen and God is none of those things but God has seen it proper to continue to use that kind of of analogy an example.

Because it communicates to us and we recognize. Okay. I may not be able to love as perfectly as God does. However, it is still a high calling and I can see in the self-sacrifice of Jesus Christ the example that I am to use Etc, etc, and hence scripture can use that kind of language.

Okay. Okay. Thanks William. God bless. Bye. Bye. He's down there in Tucson. So hopefully up and we lost. We lost our other caller. We had I was just about to go to the next caller. But maybe I answered all those questions.

We have open phone lines at 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1. 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 Is the phone number. I suppose it could have I I was only clicking on one button. But I have noticed since we we upgraded the the comrex here that I have to triple-click the air button to get them on and Double-click the drop button to get them off.

That wasn't the way it was with the old one. But that's just sort of what the way it is 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 excellent questions on the program today and we have some other folks calling in right now and We'll get to your phone calls as quickly as possible.

Just a quick reminder. That's Just watching some of the odd things going on showing a lot of folks in channel today I'm sort of wondering. I mean, we've got a lot. We've got 76 channel folks right now.