17 - The Ministry of the Holy Spirit, Part 2b

Well, welcome back to the Striving for Eternity Academy's School of Systematic Theology. I'm glad to the tens and tens, okay who am I fooling, the two of you that are watching. No no no, but we are glad for each of you.

We thank you for, especially those of you who are the more diligent students who are very active in keeping up with their notes and the thought questions and the different posts we're doing in the groups and Facebook and all.

And we are thankful for those students who are memorizing the scriptures that we go over and doing the study ahead of time to make sure they understand these different things. And today's lesson we're going to go into some things that start getting a little bit controversial, some things that some people will disagree on and some that have differing understandings and so it's because of that that we're going to go a little bit slower.

Want to make sure we clearly explain the things that we're going to be having on the show or discussing in class today and make sure that they're understood. So if you grab your syllabus, that is if you are a paid student, if you enrolled you get a syllabus and we are in the syllabus, we are in lesson number 12 on the ministry of the Holy Spirit and this is part 2 and it's actually part 2 -2 because this is actually, I guess it would be 2-B because we actually started part 2 last week in last class and we didn't finish it up so we're going to finish it up now.

Regeneration, Indwelling, and Filling of the Holy Spirit

So let's do a quick review. I know you guys are excellent students and don't need any kind of review but you know me I'm a little bit slower than you so I need the review so let's do that alright. Last week we looked at the ministry of the Holy Spirit specifically with the issue of regeneration.

That's that act that the Holy Spirit does when He saves us and gives us new life that this is something He does. And this is one of the first ones that we looked at. We then looked at the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and if you remember when we talked about the indwelling of the Spirit we said that this is something that the Holy Spirit does that is specific to the New Testament times, the time we live in.

This is different than the Old Testament. In the Old Testament the Holy Spirit, if you remember as good students, the Holy Spirit came upon different people for leadership and so now we have the gift of the Holy Spirit indwelling us so that we would be always having the Spirit with us.

We'll see how that affects some things in this class in a little bit. Then we talked about this thing called the filling of the Spirit. The filling of the Spirit and I hope if you remember that we had said that the filling of the Spirit is a command, it's an imperative which means that it's a command.

As a command it's something that we all should be seeking to do and it's a continuous word meaning that if it's continuous it's something we should always be doing. In other words, we should always be obeying the command to be filled.

What does that mean then? Well, being filled means to be controlled by the Holy Spirit. To be controlled by the Holy Spirit and we discussed last week when we talked about the indwelling of the Spirit the fact that the Holy Spirit when He indwells a believer will indwell every believer and that indwelling the believer means that He's always going to be with us.

That has some ramifications. If the Holy Spirit is always with us can we lose our salvation? Can you lose the Holy Spirit if He says He's always going to be with you? I don't know what you think about that.

We're going to get to that in some later lessons when we talk about the doctrine of salvation but I'm kind of tipping my hat. Wait, I don't have a hat. Alright, well anyway, but we are looking at this in more detail later on.

The Difference Between the Filling of the Spirit and the Baptism of the Spirit

So what we do want to talk about is this difference though between filling of the Spirit and baptism of the Spirit. And so what we have here is a distinction that often gets confused and causes some issues.

So let's look. We already said filling of the Spirit is something that is in the word filling in the Greek there in Ephesians 5 is something, 518, is something that is continuous. In other words it's something we should always be doing and it's something that is an imperative.

In other words God commands it. Will God command us to do something we can't do? Well, He commands all men everywhere to repent and yet it's the Holy Spirit that does that. So yeah, I guess He does. Right?

So is this one of those commands that God commands of us but we can't do in and of ourselves? Well yeah, it is. I mean we can't just obey the Spirit without the Spirit working in us. And so we work in that sense but it is our responsibility still to obey the command even though we can't do it completely of ourselves.

Does that make sense? Well if it doesn't make sense, remember lesson number one? That was the first attribute of God we discussed. He's incomprehensible. I mean if I could comprehend everything about God and explain everything to you that you'd comprehend everything about God, He wouldn't be incomprehensible.

Now would He? Okay, that wasn't rockin' science I hope. Alright, so let's look at number five which is the baptism of the Spirit. The baptism of the Spirit. This is the act of the Holy Spirit placing one of the believers into the spiritual body of Christ.

Okay? Now, this may be hard for some of you Presbyterians out there. I'm sorry. But we have to look at the word baptism and this may help us to understand baptism of the Spirit. Baptism comes from a Greek word baptismo.

Now we have an English word for baptismo but when they were translating the Bible into English, the Church of England realized that if they translated that word directly into English they had a problem because they weren't baptizing by dipping or plunging or immersing.

They were sprinkling and that was a problem. This, when we take with the Holy Spirit, now let's look at that. When we talk about baptism of the Spirit, it's not a sprinkling or pouring of the Holy Spirit.

It is being plunged, being immersed with the Holy Spirit where He's indwelling you. He's living inside of you. You notice? Now, if we're going to translate that word properly, when it comes to baptism of the Spirit that explains some things.

He's not just kind of sprinkling the Holy Spirit on you like some magic pixie dust or something and all of a sudden for different times it's like here's the sprinkling of the Holy Spirit and at those times you have Him but other times you don't.

Okay? You have Him, or you're in Him I should say, because He indwells inside of you and He has baptized you, He's plunged you into Himself. That's good. You know why? If I could run away from the Holy Spirit, if I could lose my salvation, I would.

I'm a sinful person. Okay? I would do things, right? This is the reality. So when we look at the word baptize just place in there in the English to plunge or dip and you won't have maybe some confusion with that.

Alright? That's what the word means. So let's look in your syllabus there. Under baptism of the Holy Spirit when you look at that, did I tip my hat by the way? That I might be baptistic? If you haven't figured that one out, but that's okay.

You Presbyterians can shoot me later. You know? But that's alright. I have some very good Presbyterian friends. Wait, are they good friends or good Presbyterians? Better friends. Anyway. But that's alright.

You know, even if you're a Presbyterian you could be wrong until you get to heaven. I mean then you'll learn that you should have been baptizing properly. It's okay. I won't hold it against you. But what we do want to talk about though is when we properly understand that term it might help us in understanding some of the issues people have with this.

So let's look at some of the particulars in your syllabus there under the baptism, this baptism of the Holy Spirit. So, one is that this ministry is limited to the church age. This is limited to the church age.

Let's look at 1 Corinthians 12, verse 13. For in one spirit we were all baptized into one body. Jews or Greeks, slaves or free, and all were made to drink of one spirit. Now, I want to point out two things to you here in case some of you, let's not take this off the screen yet because I want to point this out.

Some of you may start, some from different theological positions may see this and this may be the first time they're noticing it. Do you notice there that it says for one spirit we are all baptized, that's our word for baptized under the Holy Spirit.

We are all plunged into one body, that body being the church, the universal church. And we are all made to drink of one spirit. Now, notice there that when we talk about this, this is showing that if we are in the body of Christ, if we are believers, we have the Holy Spirit.

So, this is where I want to make this point. Some people believe that baptism of the Holy Spirit is evidenced by speaking in tongues, which means speaking in a foreign language. And we're going to look at that in next class in detail.

We're going to cover what that is. We're going to cover whether it still persists today or not. But what I want to point out at this point is if somebody says that that is the case, according to the verse we just looked at, if you don't speak in tongues, then you're not baptized in the Spirit, therefore you're not a believer.

In other words, it would be incorrect to make the point, if you believe that baptism of the Spirit is evidenced by speaking in tongues, then according to 1 Corinthians 12, 13, if you don't speak in tongues, you're not a believer.

You're not part of the body of Christ. It would be more consistent to say that if you believe that, if you believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized in the Spirit, it would be more consistent to argue that anyone that doesn't speak in tongues is not a believer.

Many that are in the Charismatic and the Pentecostal movement would not say that. And they get broken up into two camps then. One would be those that say, well, speaking in tongues is the evidence that you are baptized in the Spirit, but they would then disagree with what 1 Corinthians 12, 13 says and just say you could be baptized in the Spirit, or not baptized in the Spirit, but still be part of the body of Christ.

Let's put that verse up again if we could. For we were all baptized into one body. All of us. Every one of us that was baptized into the Spirit was baptized into the body of Christ. So if you deny the fact that people can be, if you say that people can not speak in tongues and still be believers, but say that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized in the Spirit, you're going to have a problem theologically.

We'll get to some other issues maybe later, but you'd be inconsistent. And I think that scripture is kind of clear on that one. Where we see the evidence that you must speak in tongues to evidence the Holy Spirit, I think that's the area where you should be questioning.

Not this verse where it says that all believers are in the body and have been baptized in the Spirit. Let's look at the next one. And this is that the ministry is experienced by all believers. And this is Ephesians 4 -5.

I've kind of made this point, but one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. It's kind of clear. One, one, one. How many lords are there? One. How many faiths are there? One. How many baptisms are there? One.

There is one baptism of the Holy Spirit. Okay? It's not a second baptism. So it's not, as some teach, not as many, but some will call it a second blessing. And they'll say that you were baptized with the Spirit once, but then you get this second baptism.

There is one baptism of the Holy Spirit. And everybody who's in the faith has that baptism. Okay? So, if you have, if you've been baptized by the Holy Spirit, if you've been immersed and plunged with the Holy Spirit, then you are a believer.

Okay? That's the definition. Alright? The Holy Spirit indwells in you, and you are baptized in the Spirit. Third, the ministry of the Holy Spirit is experienced by, sorry, the ministry is experienced by believers only once.

Only once. Alright? We already saw that in Ephesians, actually in both, Ephesians 4, we see that, one baptism. Right? There's only one baptism. You don't get baptized a second time. In other words, you don't lose the baptism and then gain it again.

And we saw that in 1 Corinthians 12, 13, for there's, you know, all were baptized into one body and made to drink of one Spirit. Okay? So, we see that all are baptized into the Holy Spirit. It is one-time event.

Now, you're already catching some differences. This is a one-time event. How many-time event was the filling? Over and over again. The filling of the Spirit was a controlling thing where we sometimes lose that.

Okay? We're sometimes under the control of the Spirit, and sometimes we're not. That's something that can come and go. Alright? So, we see that. Let me go to the next one, is that baptism is never commanded.

This is important. When I was in the charismatic movement, years and years ago, this was something that I was taught, that we are commanded to be baptized in the Spirit. But if you look at the Greek word, every time that baptism is used, speaking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, it's never commanded.

Okay? When the Bible, when God speaks of the filling, we already saw, like in Ephesians 5, 18, it is an imperative, it is a command. But in this case, it's not. It's never commanded. Baptism, water baptism is commanded.

Okay? But baptism of the Holy Spirit is never commanded. Okay? I just hope that you see that distinction now, because this is where the confusion comes in. People see the command to be filled with the Spirit and substitute in baptism.

Okay? And that just shouldn't be the case. Alright, let's move on. Baptism is received at salvation. Let's look at Galatians 3, 3. Galatians 3, 3. Are you so foolish, having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Let's also look at Romans 6, 3 and 4. Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were buried, therefore, with Him by baptism into death in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too will walk in the newness of life.

So when we look at these two verses, we see that these two verses show us that baptism is something for all believers, once in time, at salvation. Okay? This has all kinds of ramifications. I hope you're seeing when it comes to people that believe that we can lose our salvation and gain it again and lose it and gain it again, lose it and gain it again.

Alright? If you want, go to our website and you can see on strivingforeternity .org, you can see a paper that we have up there, I believe on Hebrews 6, that talks specifically about the passage most often used for people that believe that you can lose your salvation.

If you're going to argue for Hebrews 6 saying you can lose your salvation, one thing is clear, you can only lose it once. Okay? But you're seeing that if baptism of the Holy Spirit is something that's true for all believers, once in time, and is the identification of a believer, and you can't lose that, then you're starting to see that maybe it'd be hard to lose the salvation.

Now, if you disagree with that, when we get to the issues, the doctrines of salvation, we're going to go into a lot more detail. But you can feel free to email us at academyatstrivingforeternity .org.

Academyatstrivingforeternity .org. Excuse me. And you can let us know where you disagree with us. All right? And so, let's move on. So those were the particulars of baptism of the Spirit. Let's look at the profit of that.

Now, I don't mean profit like the guy that stands up in front of, you know, in the temple and proclaims God's Word. All right? But the benefit. All right? So if you look in your syllabus there, it is that becoming a member of the body of Christ, that's your blank there, becoming members of the body of Christ is one of the benefits of baptism.

We already looked at it, so we won't look at it again, but 1 Corinthians 12, 13, I keep coming back to that passage because it has a lot to do with this. This is the benefit of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

If you're baptized in the Holy Spirit, you're part of the body of Christ. Universal. Okay? Maybe not local, though you should be. If you're not a member of a local church, let's talk after class. Okay?

We need to. Seriously. Okay? You should be a member of a local church. Okay? These classes, by the way, do not replace your Sunday school or church. All right? Yeah, there's plenty of materials online where you can go and get good teachings and you can get good sermons.

That's not a replacement for church. You can't do all the one-anothering that the Bible talks about in church at home by yourself. Just saying. All right. So a second benefit of being baptized in the Holy Spirit is having union with Christ in death to sin and resurrection to life.

I mean, isn't it good? And we don't have time to look at this, but look at Romans chapter 6 and the first 10 verses and you will see this described that this is a great benefit. Okay? Is that we, when Christ saved us and we were buried in death to Christ as we looked at it in verses 3 and 4 of Romans 6, we are buried, okay?

Our sin is buried with Him and we are resurrected to life. Oh, that's great. We are resurrected into new life. All right? And so a third one is the filling of the Holy Spirit is made possible. Now, did you notice what I said?

Baptism of the Holy Spirit makes filling of the Spirit possible. In other words, filling of the Spirit, being controlled with the Spirit is impossible if you are not first baptized in the Spirit. That's the reality.

Okay? So, we have two different possible pictures of baptism of the Spirit that I put into your syllabus. One is water baptism. Now again, here's the dilemma. If you water baptize by sprinkling or pouring, my Presbyterian friends, does that picture baptism of the Holy Spirit?

No. It doesn't. I'm sorry. Okay? You see the dilemma. So, we got to make sure we translate that word properly and do water baptism properly. Okay, okay. Enough of that. Good thing Si's not in the chat room.

I'd probably be hearing it. He'll watch it later and then email me. I'm sure. Maybe that's what we'll do one day is get him an eye on. We'll discuss baptism. That'd be a fun thing. But a second picture could be, not dogmatic on this, but church membership.

Do you remember that passage we just looked at in 1 Corinthians? Yeah, 1 Corinthians 12, 13. Baptized by the Holy Spirit means baptized into one body. Church membership's actually kind of a picture of baptism of the Holy Spirit.

All right? So, we should be, I believe, members of a local church. I think it pictures the baptism of the Spirit. Now, is baptism, and if you look in your syllabus you're going to see a question there, is baptism after the salvation?

In other words, does it come after salvation? Do we get baptized into the Spirit afterwards? This is an important question. Why? This is an important question because those who believe, those of more Pentecostal or charismatic persuasions, would believe that you can be saved and later be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

That's like a second blessing. All right? Baptism, mentioned in the book of Acts, is mentioned in the book of Acts only a few times. All right? It happens to, and I'm speaking specifically of baptism of the Spirit.

Baptism appears in the book of Acts several times, but when it talks about baptism of the Holy Spirit, it's only mentioned a couple of times, Acts chapter 2, Acts chapter 10, Acts chapter 19. And it was a new extension of the ministry of the church.

All right? The norm for Christians in the initial transition from Old Covenant to New Covenant was a spiritual baptism at the time of salvation. We saw that already. But the point here being is when we look at baptism, it happens at salvation after the New Covenant was transitioned.

So in other words, you had an Old Testament time, a New Testament time, and you had this transition that was in between. That's what the book of Acts has. Now, we don't have the time to go into it, but there's an interesting study to look at.

Acts 2, who is it that receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit and there is tongues there present? Well, that is those in Jerusalem. Okay? Later, you're going to see in Acts 10, where is it done there?

In Samaria. And again, it is evidenced. There is evidence of someone speaking in tongues, and they argue, well, hey, this is the same baptism that we had because we see the same gift of speaking in tongues.

All right? Then we see in Acts 19. All right? Where is it then? To a Gentile. Now, why do I point that out? Because if you go back to Acts 1, you're going to see that God had said that the Holy Spirit would be poured out in Jerusalem, in Judea, in Samaria, and to the utter parts of the world, Rome, even.

That's what we see. Acts 2, Acts 10, Acts 19. We see the Holy Spirit being poured out in Jerusalem, Judea, in Samaria, in the outer parts of the world. All right? So, just a little thing. Now, I want to put up a chart, if we can.

There we go. And I want you to look at this chart. It's also in your syllabus, but I hope this becomes helpful to explain the differences between them. So, you have baptism on one side, filling on the other.

Baptism occurs once. Filling is a continuous action. Baptism is not commanded. Filling is commanded for all believers. Baptism happens at salvation, where filling happens after salvation. That's the confusion people have.

They confuse these two, but notice the differences. Baptism is a work of God alone, where filling is a work of God plus obedience. So, do you see these? I want you to keep it up for just a second more so you can see that when we look at these two and we understand these two, we see two different things.

I want to keep that up for those who are taking notes and don't have syllabuses so that you can write these down because this helps to show us that these are two different things. So that you can clearly see baptism of the Holy Spirit is different than filling of the Holy Spirit.

And when we confuse these two, when we confuse these two, what ends up happening is that we end up thinking that you're commanded to be baptized with the Spirit and we end up having an issue where we can get to confusing whether baptism is tied to salvation, whether it can happen multiple times.

So, I hope this is helpful. Alright? Alright, let's move on. And if that's not clear to you, please let me know. Please contact us either on Facebook or in emailing the Academy. And again, if you disagree, that's fine.

We will talk in more detail about the issue of tongues specifically. I will say if you want to, if you want to, you can't wait basically until next class. If you go to our website, we do have two different papers on this subject.

One is called, I think something like Biblical Use of Tongues, but it's basically going through 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14 in context. That's important because most people take them out of context when they use them and just kind of take verses here and there and not look at it in its entirety.

Alright? So, that's what we want to do. We want to look at it in its entirety. The second thing is there's a paper specifically on 1 Corinthians 13, 8 and following when it says when this perfect thing comes, the tongues will cease.

And what does that mean that they cease? So we have a paper on that. So, you can go and see that. See those two papers that we have if you want. Alright. Let's move on to the sealing of the Holy Spirit.

The Sealing of the Holy Spirit

The sealing of the Holy Spirit. This is now the next one. And this is this is now this is the work of the Holy Spirit where He guarantees the security of our salvation. Alright? It is an expression of ownership and authority.

Maybe some of you bought a home or a car and you put a down payment and that is something that now in that case it doesn't give you ownership but if you think about like a house where you own the house even though you have a loan for the house.

Alright? And we look at that and we can see that there is a part of us where the Holy Spirit is our sealing, our guarantee. Alright? Now, if God says think about this we'll get to it as we go through but if God says that He does the sealing and let's look at that actually now.

2 Corinthians 2 Corinthians 1 21 and 24 22. I'm sorry. And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us and who has also put His seal on us and given us His Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

So do you notice here who is doing the work? This is going to be God doing the work. So in letter A of your first blank God does the sealing. God does the sealing. Alright? The Holy Spirit letter B there the Holy Spirit is the seal.

In Ephesians 1 In Him you also when you heard the word of truth the gospel of your salvation and believed in Him were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. So the Holy Spirit Himself is the seal. The recipients if you look at that verse we just read are the believers.

Okay? And it's at the time of salvation. Now. So let's go through that. God is the one who does the sealing. God the Father does the sealing. The Holy Spirit Himself is the seal. We that believe are the recipients.

And it happens at salvation. Okay? So note in this verse that the tenses of the verbs indicate that hearing, believing and sealing all occurred at the same time. Why do I emphasize this so much? Because again if we're sealed with the Holy Spirit if God Himself is saying I'm giving you the Holy Spirit as a down payment so that you know that you have eternal life then guess what?

How could He take that away? And how could we take that away? How could we do something to lose that if God's the one saying I'm sealing you with the Spirit so that you can't run away basically. Okay?

He's doing the sealing. The Holy Spirit is the actual seal Himself. Alright? So we can't lose that. I hope you're seeing. It's not just these couple of verses that people are going to argue and we'll look at in Doctrine of Salvation where they pull this out and say oh you can lose your salvation because of this verse or that verse.

You see as we build our theology from the beginning and build up to the Doctrine of Salvation we're going to see that we can't lose our salvation because our salvation is sealed by God with the Holy Spirit.

Who is greater than God? You think you are? You think if you sin somehow that is going to break the seal of God? I mean are you kidding me? You see? We can't just go to these couple of verses and understand them that way when there's greater verses that make it very clear that this has a greater ramification.

If you can lose your salvation then you can lose the Holy Spirit. Therefore He is not a guarantee. He is not a seal that holds you until the day of your glorification. Okay? And that baptism isn't there.

And again you can go to the website and see why I say if that is the case then you can only lose it once and you can never regain it according to Hebrews if you're going to interpret it that way. Alright.

The Gifts of the Holy Spirit: Sign Gifts and Serving Gifts

So let's move on. We looked at baptism. We looked at sealing. Let's look at the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Number six. This is the last ministry we're going to look at of the Holy Spirit in this day. This is the gift of the Holy Spirit supplying the church with all that it needs for the furtherance of the work of Christ.

Okay? And there's basically two kinds of gifts. We're going to break them down into two categories. There is the gifts that are sovereignly distributed by the Holy Spirit and some that are given to every believer.

Alright? So you have two different kinds. You have some that were given I believe for a time period in a special way and then those as signs they're called sign gifts. They point to something. And then there are those that are serving gifts.

Okay? Those are the ones that are given to all believers. Alright. So let's look at this now. And I want to point out these gifts of the Holy Spirit did you pay attention to what I said? This ministry this is a ministry of the Holy Spirit supplying the church with all that it needs for the furtherance of the work of Christ.

In other words we do not need the gift of drama to further the gospel. Now you're like going dude, come on, really? Yeah, there's people that believe they have the gift of drama and that's why we need drama in the church.

It's really strange some of the things that people think that God has given them a gift and they call it a gift of God. Now I want to make a distinction. There are some people who have gifts and some people have talents.

Well, okay. All believers have gifts and all human beings have talents. A talent is something you're good at from birth. Okay? Something that you're just naturally good at that not everyone is. Okay? I'm naturally an organizer.

Okay? I organize. I like to organize things. I have to organize things. Okay? Is anyone? Great. I'll tell you a little story about just how insane I am. When I was in first grade, kindergarten, first grade you go out to like at lunchtime after lunch you have recess everyone runs outside to play.

We run outside everyone would just throw their lunchbox down on the steps there and then run to play because they didn't care about the lunchbox. They want to run and play. And it drove me nuts to see all of these disorganized lunchboxes.

So while everyone else was playing during recess I would sit there and organize everyone's lunchbox in size order. So the largest ones were on the left and the smallest ones were on the right. That's what I would do during recess because it drove me nuts.

Okay. I am nuts. I agree with you. All right. But that's what I would do. Someone in the classroom would say classic OCD. Yeah. All right. You got me. Pegged. I would spend years I mean preschool, kindergarten first grade, second grade I would do that.

All right. It actually unfortunately took the death of my mother to get me to stop that. But that is something that I would do. I'm naturally organizing. All right. I didn't do that as a giftedness of the Holy Spirit.

Okay. But there is a gift of the Holy Spirit to administer. We'll look at that in a minute. We're probably going to go a little bit long just so I can wrap up class tonight. Okay. To wrap this lesson up.

So. But there are things that are gifts of the Holy Spirit. Those are things we get at salvation. Every believer is going to have them. Okay. Every believer will get some gifts of the Holy Spirit. If you look at 1 Corinthians 12 you're going to see that.

We all have gifts of the Holy Spirit. We have differing gifts and different levels of different gifts. And so. But those are things we get at salvation. For example, for me. When I got saved teaching was something that was a gift of the Holy Spirit.

I did not in any way ever want to be in front of a classroom before I became a Christian. I didn't want to talk to people. I didn't want to teach people. Never in a thousand years would I have thought of that.

But when I got saved there started being a desire within me. As I started studying the Scriptures more I wanted to teach others what I was learning. And even though I have fear and trepidation I do get up in front of people and speak.

Alright. And if you think I'm not nervous before I speak my son once I had a watch that you could check your pulse just before preaching one Sunday morning. Just before getting up my son looked I was just kind of curious so I just kind of put my finger on the watch and checked it out.

Yeah. It was like my pulse normally is like in the 60's I was doing like 120 beats per minute just because I was like so afraid to get up and speak. And then once I open God's Word I usually settle down.