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This is the way. Not not not like y 'all do. I Didn't even see that for us. Well, that was a big welcome to the laborers podcast.
Claude's about to recite the Apostles creed for us. You didn't have your headphones on. I was asking you what the creed was.
Say they said Oh instead of dressing as the honey. I was Boba Fett.
I got my characters mixed up. Yeah, I'm just a regular kind of fat. Well.
Let's do a quick introduction. We were hoping that we were gonna have one of our new guys with us tonight and hopefully in the future. He'll be with us. But if you're new just doing the podcast. Welcome welcome out of everybody else to the laborers podcast.
Leave us a comment. Let us know that you're watching. We'd love to try to answer your questions. Pray for you. If you need prayer, all you have to do is type me. We'd love to pray for you. But if there's anybody out there that doesn't know you guys Let's do a quick introduction.
And when you do your quick introduction Let us know of course your podcast and your latest podcast that you just put up. So John go ahead and start with yourself.
So my podcast is called real talk a big John. We just recently put up. We're starting a new series called unveiled. I'm gonna be working with several other guys inside of my own denomination. But start out with me and brother Austin Carnes have have began to break down some some doctrinal topics and doctrinal statements that pretty much all all Christian churches believe in.
Ours is no ours is no no different and but we we want our. We want our church to be knowledgeable. We I picked and cut up. I said I like the Church God to be known for being more than just a really hot band and.
And having a good outreach program, but whenever the feet get to floor, they know how to walk.
Tell her how about you. Well, my name is Tyler and I I am the host of the bread of the word podcast. I put out weekly content going verse-by-verse through books of the Bible. I'm currently marching through the Song of Solomon.
The latest episode I will be dropping this Sunday at 2 o 'clock Eastern Time. Almost wrapping up chapter 2. It's been about two or three months now and we're just now coming to the end of chapter 2, but it's been a very slow Meditative walk through the book of Song of Solomon and you have a special resurrection day.
Episode coming up, right? Yes. Yes. So this week's episode a tie straight into the resurrection. So it starts with Song of Solomon and the privilege that we have to know Christ the risen beloved and then it segues into it Psalm 139 with the reality that we are also known by God.
Sunday 2 o 'clock. Check it out. Bread of the word.
Claude how about you? Well, let me begin by saying this that I've got to check out Big John's episode. It was fantastic. I Regularly listened to Tyler as well because Tyler puts out content every single week man.
He is on it. He is good Privilege actually of is it it's been a year or two years Tyler's it's almost been a year almost to the day. It ain't that hard to believe. Yeah, it was we really got to know each other good on that on that episode.
I really enjoyed it. So, but I'm just I'm just a happy Calvinist. I have the here I stand theology podcast had the privilege of Having Jay and tello on with us. He's the reformed Rican or the reformed Puerto Rican, dude.
However, you want to say it the reform Rican is the name of his podcast. But encourage you all to check him out too. We had a great time. It is over on the youtubes so you could you can find real talk with Big John on the youtubes.
You can find bread of the word over at rumble, right? And up in the top Corner, how do you do this? That's that that guy we're pointing at there. That's a Robert cannot. You got to check out of course him and Dan's podcast the truth and love Podcast and where we are tonight the laborers podcast.
On the truth and love network alone that work. Yeah.
The last one Dan and I did was in Hebrews chapter 2 verses 1 through 4 we're trying to get caught back up and get over allergies and sickness and Time constraint, but we're gonna get back on there and we're gonna report some more.
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We appreciate it. Before we get any any further into the podcast I do want to Share with you. I know this is this is a special Resurrection Day celebration podcast that we want to do and and that day that period of time was More horrific that we can imagine it was it was serious.
And we need to honor it as such but also we are post-resurrection. Post ascension. We are in the new covenant. We've been we've been born again. Yes, our blood of Jesus Christ. So even though that was that was a horrible horrible day we're Post resurrection and we are born again.
We can celebrate and we can have a good time and we can have joy in this day and then the celebration. So we don't have to be too somber. I don't think we can we can have joy and so with that I don't want to Leave out.
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And there was brother Dan. For the day itself, he's gonna be with us too. We got Tyler. He's gonna be speaking big Johnny. He's gonna be speaking. Jonathan Foster is gonna be speaking Jesse Gomez the Chicano Knox.
He's gonna be speaking. Jeremy is gonna be doing a breakout session for us. He got in a little late. And so we're gonna give him a breakout session. Who am I missing? I'll be doing Thursday night. So come early even though it says pre-conference.
Don't don't skip out on the pre-conference. That's right, I'm gonna be speaking at the pre-conference and I look forward to seeing you there. I was gonna write a tiger into the church. So we want to talk about Resurrection since we celebrate that day coming up.
This Sunday. This is Good Friday, and then we're rolling up on resurrection Sunday. And so we want to we want to honor that day even though we honor Christ. He is he is the Lord of the Sabbath. He is Gained victory conquered death.
And so we want to honor him and remember that every day but especially the day that we reserve to remember That that special occasion. Because he died for us. He died for those that would believe in him and he he wiped away our dead and it took away the wrath of God that we deserve but by his life his death resurrection and Who he is and his mercy and grace on us so All that we can do to celebrate him.
We want to do it. And so that's right what we want to talk about the significance of the resurrection. So let me jump in. With the first question. If we want to if we want to go in order that's fine or anybody want to jump in so my call shot.
Save me for three or four. Y 'all go ahead.
Okay. Well if we if we go in order, then you'll have number three, so that'll work. That'll work out. Good perfect Big John. Yes, sir was the bodily bodily resurrection from the dead. One of the prophecies to be fulfilled of the Messiah.
If so, where.
So There's first of all, yes to do like what the cloud does. Yes. There's a couple places one obviously you think about in a Psalm 16 for not suffer Beloved to see decay right. And obviously that couldn't have been talking about David because he's still in the ground.
And that's been quoted in Hebrews. I think it is or at least in Corinthians and then also in Hosea and oh No, I'm having difficulties with Internet are here we go. So in Hosea 5 14 And 6 2 and like a young line of the house of Judah I even I will tear them down and go away.
I will take them away and no one shall rescue. I'll return again my place until they acknowledge the offense and they will seek seek my face in my affliction. They will earnestly seek me. Oh come let us return to the Lord for he has torn but he will heal for he has torn.
He will heal us. He was stricken, but he will bind us up after two days. He'll revive us on the third day. He will raise us up. We may live in his sight. Some have said this is a Old Testament Prophecy of the Risen Savior and then you've got Suppose Jesus himself saying that just like Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights.
So must the Son of Man be in the in the in the earth. So in a lot of ways. By Jesus's own account. I would say that Jonah the story of Jonah why it wasn't told Prophetically was a foreshadowing of Things to come and then Paul would later on say that all the things that we see Sabbath feast days.
No, thanks, just a sign pointing to the gospel.
And I think that Jonah illustration Just a tad go for the the Hebrew word that we transliterate as Jonah is your now and it means dove. It's it means dove which is in that Hebrew term was if it was a word of endearment.
It was a kind of like I'm saying my beloved. So we see this in Song of Solomon several times. I'm actually talking about this in Sunday's episode that Christ tapified in the the man in the Song of Solomon refers to the church as my dove as my beloved.
And of course, we see that in light of The words of God when the Christ was baptized, this is my son in whom I am well-pleased. I Think you could take a little bit of a linguistic liberty there and understand that word dove or Jonah as My beloved.
There you go.
Hey, hey Tyler, I really appreciate you bringing in what you're learning from Song of Solomon and Applying it and what you know, where's applicable to what we're talking about? But you know what you're doing.
You're making us all really hungry to be listening to bread of the word podcast. Amen, I appreciate that. It's really good stuff. Everybody feels dumber after having talked to Tyler.
Thank you for that Tyler. We appreciate you brother. I do appreciate it. I do appreciate it. I appreciate being here.
And I appreciate that verse that you you brought the first one you brought up big John in Psalm 16 because it's It's a hot topic in some circles today, but it speaks not just to the resurrection because Some there's some verses that you could You could understand as a spiritual spiritual resurrection, you know being born again Coming to life, but it says Will not see decay.
That's right and It's got to be speaking of his body bodily resurrection. That's right. You think about it in terms just of the plain reading of it when you think about.
Spiritual the first thing that you don't think of is physical body, right? And then when you think of decay the very first thing you think of is something dead and something that was physical so in a very Plain straightforward reading.
I don't I don't know that I would jump to a Spiritual explanation for a text like that. I'm not saying it doesn't have spiritual ramifications. Obviously it does but I think that That it if you're looking for just a plain meaning of it, which is what we want to do.
Right, we want to be contextually accurate with the text. So man.
Well, and he he proved the fulfillment of that that it was most likely talking about a physical bodily resurrection because after the fact He's meeting people, you know, he's saying touch touch my hands.
Mm-hmm. Stick your hand on my side. Yeah.
So so another thing to think about is how what what is he doing? Whenever he he explains How this is not talking about David because he says we know that David is both dead and buried and we know we know where He's buried in.
So one of the things that you got to keep in mind that is is rampant today even there's a Once it's podcast here called one for Israel or something like that. But in any case I was watching a YouTube documentary where they ask Hebrews Hebrew nationals that they're in Israel that was in Jerusalem most of the time when they film it and they asked them to read Isaiah 53 and their understanding of Isaiah 53 is incorrect.
They view Isaiah 53 is somehow Judea Israel is being written about in Isaiah 53 when certainly I say 53 cannot be being talked about in Israel which probably as good of a example of Jesus fulfilling an Old Testament prophecy as any when you consider a man that we just deemed him not stricken a man of sorrow stricken grief, but he We I can't quote it all but to some effect My stripes were here for it, please the Lord to crush him upon him he bear the iniquities of us all in any case the It's very clear that Isaiah 53 is talking about Jesus and any in any any kind of Intelligent mind looking at it.
We'll see that he's talking about atheists would read that and know that we must be talking about Jesus, right? So You would have to look you would have to look at it. You you really need to suppress this truth in order to believe a lie in other words and I think That maybe there was some of that stuff beginning to start with Israel even then they were reading themselves into the text instead of reading the Messiah into the text and and the writer of the New Testament Was saying whoa.
Whoa. Whoa, we know where David's buried. That's right I can take you right now and show you his bones in a jar But this Lord that we serve he's alive. That's right.
I Had the wonderful opportunity to as I was coming home from a mission trip Overseas to have that 13-hour flight. Part of that was next to an Orthodox Jew studying to be a rabbi. And we talked about Isaiah 53 a little bit.
It was me my pastor and this guy we were talking for a bit. Not like antagonistic or anything, but we just kind of started talking. So what about Isaiah 53 and he absolutely said that hey, he didn't know who Isaiah was because he knows the Hebrew names not the Transliterated Greek like we have in Isaiah.
But He hadn't gotten that far in the the Old Testament yet in his rabbinic studies. So he didn't have an answer. But off the top of his head he would say it was probably either Isaiah or Maybe David that they're talking about there.
Yeah, so you absolutely see this that I saw this myself a little bit.
Tyler when Jesus said it is finished.
What what was finished? What was he referring to when he said that in a word atonement and that's that's a word that we have Had to invent when William Tyndale set out to put the Bible in English. There were a lot of things in the Bible that there weren't words for in English yet.
One of them was atonement. No, there was tabernacle and church and some of those but atonement was this idea of bearing another sins. You can get a little more technical than that, but literally the word he came up with we talked about with Leviticus.
Was it it's at one meant it's the means by which we become at one with God. Leviticus 17 says that I'm sorry. I'm on the wrong page. Leviticus 17 11 says for the life of the flesh is in the blood and I have given it to you upon the altar To make an atonement for your souls.
Yeah for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul Says in Deuteronomy that the priest shall make atonement. So when the Christ enters the scene when he Descends when the beloved comes down the mountain he is Taking the role of priests not in the sense as the Levites are that he is something older something better something greater Than what the priests did in the book of Leviticus.
But he's still acting as a priest nonetheless and so he goes and offers himself To deal with our sins to bear our sins in his body as it says in 2nd Peter chapter 2. And so when he says it is finished It is accomplished that the final pain sacrifice for sin has been given out that he has bore the wrath of God.
In our place in in the stead of sinners Christ has died. Hey, man, so when it says in the Greek if I'm saying it right a to less die.
That's right close. I don't know how to speak Greek, but I know it spells.
And it literally means it is finished, but it's generally used. Was generally in that context was used in reference to payment to debts to squaring a debt that that debt is is covered that when a debt was covered in that time period that the Stockbroker or whatever term you want to use then would take his pen and he'd write over the the bill.
Tate a less day. That's right. And that's that is that's atonement. That is a picture of what the Old Testament calls atonement. Is that what what we owed? Because the wages of sin is death Christ has paid for and has written over it tate a less day.
Hey, man, what you owe you owe no more. Wow. Amazing.
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We appreciate you as well. Let us know that you're watching question number three. Where does the Bible specifically say that Jesus conquered death had victory over death or defeated death?
Well, I'm glad that you asked it's my turn. And as I told you all in the in them in them in our messenger thread I'm cranked up about this. It's exciting. Because the I mean the resurrection man, that's it.
Let me let me quote it one of the old hymns right here. It says on that resurrection morning when all the dead in Christ shall rise. Praise the Lord. I'll have a new body. I'll have a new life. Sewn in weakness raised in power.
Ready to live in paradise. I'll have a new body. Praise the Lord. I'll have a new life. Hey, that is the hope of the Christian. I mean that is it is the the difference between the Christian religion and every other religion.
Oh, yeah is the resurrection of the dead now. Y 'all I have to excuse me if I if I decide to preach on this. But I'm gonna read the scripture right to prove to prove my answer to this question so the Apostle Paul in the book of Colossians is Writing to the church at Colossae and he says this.
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition. According to the elemental spirits of this world and not according to Christ for in him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily and You have been filled in him who is the head of all rule and authority.
Paul goes on to say this in him. You were crucified with a cruise or I'm sorry in him. You were circumcised made with a circumcision made without hands. How by putting off the body of flesh by the circumcision of Christ having been buried with him in Baptism in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of the working of God who and The scripture says raised him from the dead and you Who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh?
God made alive together with him having forgiven us all Trespasses and here it comes by canceling the record of debt stood against us with its legal demands. Not only that I feel like Billy Mays on an oxy clean commercial here, but wait, there's more.
Right this he set aside Nailing it to his cross. There's the death Nailing it to his cross and he did this. The King James says he spoiled the Principalities and powers. The ESB says he disarmed the rulers and authorities and he put them to an open shame.
How by triumph over them in it listen before before Jesus? Death was a one-way street. Jesus is the only man that ever faced death and he came out alive. That's exactly right by his own power he came out of the grave on that third day.
So what does that mean? How do we know like your question states here? How do we know Jesus conquered death? Well, the Bible says he raised from the dead. It's really quite simple. It's really quite simple and in that he had victory over death or defeated death again.
It's really quite simple the picture that's painted in this Colossians passage. Is that he I mean he embarrassed? The principalities and the powers. All their lives the book of Hebrew can go into the Hebrews.
You can go to the book of Hebrews. I believe it's the second chapter. I won't go there right now and I'll give these other guys their turn back here. You go brother. You keep on going. Listen in Hebrews.
It says that he that he came to Deliver those us people humanity who all their lives spent our time in fear of death that he came to destroy the power of death and he destroyed the works of Satan and my friend that is why that is why we can say just in that I mean, there's there's a whole Bible, right?
But that's why we can that's why I can say this. I know Jesus conquered death. I know victory. Jesus had victory over death, and I know Jesus defeated death. The what another one of the old songs, right?
You asked me how I know he lives the old song says he lives within my heart. Someone will say what's that proof? Well, I can say that but what is the evidence? What is the demonstration of the power of Christ?
It is this that Christ Can find the sinner man. He can find the sinner woman. He can find the sinner boy. He can find the sinner girl. It don't matter how high you go or how low you go. It don't matter what rock you hide under or what pull up over your head.
He's there and my friend one day all men will give account of their sin before God. Why because he is not dead he is alive. And he is according to the scriptures the judge of both the living and the dead.
I was looking forward to that that that rant you was getting ready to take because I think you repeated it maybe twice. But I was looking for you to keep going with it. It was it was him. It was him. It was him.
And you could just go on with all the things that he has done that's right. Well, but we could just all repeat that over and over it was him it was him. Mmm, that was good. Well, you want a three and four and if four is related to that question, so question four and is Speaking about the the victory and conquering and defeating death.
Does this reference to Jesus resurrection? Which which you answered it does refer to Jesus resurrection. If so, what made this event different? From the people Jesus raised from the dead prior because this is what I was thinking when I when I asked that question.
So we know that Jesus raised people from the dead in his ministry. We know that people were raised from the dead. So it seems just on the outside Death was defeated. I mean they were dead now. So in some way some fashion or form Death was defeated.
So how does Jesus the feeding death with the resurrection.
Differ from those Resurrections one word or actually be two words and a one of those slash marks between them. The difference is this Jesus was resurrected from the dead the widow of Nain's boy Jairus's Wasn't Jairus's daughter, but the widow of Nain's boy Lazarus.
They were they were resuscitated. They were brought back to life. But guess what? They still had to die again and boy just to put it plain that had to suck. Yeah, yeah, I'll be honest with y 'all. That's the only way I can put that right, but they were Resuscitated they were brought back to life, but Jesus is the only one Who was raised from the dead?
Never to die again. That's right. So I want to pin on something on that.
I was sharing this with Phil at work the other day, and I hope he's listening. I hope he's give his life to the Lord. Larry, you know, I'm talking to and uh, I Think it is as remarkable that Christ died.
We're we're made abundantly clear all throughout scripture for the wages of sin is death, but we know there was no sin in Christ, right? So now it isn't like The Romans can kill him. So, I mean think about it for a second this death that we die because of the curse.
Because of sin. Well, he had no inheritance sin because he had no earthly father. Therefore he had no sin by way of inheritance. So he is literally the only person who is sinless so it is it. I Think this is one account of Matthew.
You see some other folks get up from the dead when Jesus is crucified. Yeah, we don't talk about it very often because there's some crazy stuff that must have went on. You're talking about an encounter in creation.
That was so Remarkable this has never happened everywhere in Ever before nor could have it breaks all the rules that nature. It were set up by God that to keep and that is that God died. Man, he made him sin who knew no sin second try against five and twenty one.
This is so that he could first of all die. Yeah, second of all so that the sin that was mine Could be imputed on someone who was sinless. That's right. This is such a phenomenon. This is it's had to have been such a crazy encounter of God's holiness of God's grace of God's justice and God's love all Come and crashing together in one spot on top of Calvary's heel with wooden crosses the backdrop that creation Shutters the sky turns black the veils rent the graves open and dead people get up who were saints of all.
That's right. It's like what what else is going to happen? That's why these Romans who were who were Animals but good at killing people said he had to have been God. That's right. This is an incredible event that we don't just wax poetic over and say well he died for my sins.
Y 'all, please stand up and let's go ahead and start the benediction. No, right. God had to die to make a man right with him. Amen, and then it wasn't Complete this this salvation wasn't complete while I do believe Tyler's right I believe that on that cross at atonement that the wrath of due man the wrath due sinners was being Cast upon the Lord in that moment, and I think that's the cup that he was wanting to be passed from him.
But it was God's will to be done. And I think is in that moment That all that sin and all that wrath and all that justice is allowed to be satisfied. John first epistle of John chapter 2 verse 2 says that he became the Propitiation for our sin it was answered for this is an incredible thing the Proverbs I think it's Proverbs 7 and something Lord.
I don't know if that's right or not. I think it's 7 says that that you can't pardon the wicked or condemn the righteous both or abomination before the Lord. But on that cross on that cross the righteous was condemned and though and the wicked were Justified and but three days later Three days later so that they would be hope He shook off death and got up man.
Hey, man, I get a bit costly. I can't help it. My God died for me praise the Lord and then destroyed death so that it so that it never had to be hanging over my head. Anymore since their life is always there.
Man, he's a good God. Hey, man. I.
Know that I have I have never Thought about what you just said. We talked about the Resurrection being a miracle and how amazing it was but we know how powerful God is and raising somebody from the dead is nothing for God, but.
What a miracle that God died. That's right. He he had to humble himself. From that position to become a man, that's right so that that could happen.
Says in Exodus that no man can see my face and live and Yet Christ came down and we beheld his glory.
Amen has died as the glory of the only begotten of God. He humbled himself, yes Let this mind be in you which was also on Christ Jesus Philippians 2 5 through 11. Who being in the form of God did not think it robbery to be equal with God.
But he made himself of no reputation and he took upon him the form of a servant And came in the likeness of men and being found in fashion as a man He humbled himself and became obedient unto death. Even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also has highly exalted him and given him the name that is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in heaven of things in the earth and things under the earth and that Every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Amen. Amen.
John let's head back up to you brother. And if you wanted to add anything else. And you've you've hit on this question already a lot. Just not. I haven't specifically asked it. So putting all those things together to answer this question.
Is there a connection between the resurrection and and that death that was promised to Adam and Eve? Absolutely.
Absolutely for Adam fell and because Adam fell Sin, and then the earth was cursed and sin entered the world and all men die by this. We call the second. Adam became a life-giving spirit and all might live in him.
Amen. All died Adam all live in Christ. Amen. As the head of the first family Adam dropped the ball. He had dominion in that garden and he dropped the ball Christ picked it up and became the head of the family of God and he don't drop the ball.
He doesn't fail he doesn't know how to fail. And Everywhere that Adam failed in such a terrible way Christ succeeded and fixed what was torn. Amen. Amen.
So here's our last question on this this set. Tyler you're next on the list brother if these references are to the resurrection Three days after the crucifixion concerning victory over death conquering death.
Why does 1st Corinthians 15 say that he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. And a lot that last enemy is death. This is where I think it gets challenging for me. And I'm curious to hear what you brothers say because we're saying on one hand.
He is is defeated death. He's conquered death but then 1st Corinthians 15, of course quoting Psalm 110 and Hebrews and so many other Books quotes on 110, but it says that he must he must reign he's putting all his enemies under his feet.
Until that last enemy that last enemies death that he puts under his feet. Well, let's go to 1st Corinthians chapter 15. So if we pick up in verse 12, which is a little bit before what you just quoted Rob.
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead. How say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead then is Christ not risen. And If Christ has not be not risen then is our preaching vain and your faith is also vain.
Yay, and we are found false witnesses of God because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ whom he raised not up. If so, he'll be that the dead rise not the for the dead rise not. Then is not Christ raised and a Christ be not raised your faith is vain.
Year yet in your sins, then they also which are fallen to sleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ We are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead and become the first fruits of them that slept for since by man came death by man.
Also the resurrection of the dead. Or as an Adam all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order Christ the first fruits. Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then come at the end when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God. Even the father when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and all power. For he must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Yep, so We have said that Christ conquered death that Christ was raised and that he has exercised power over death. And so I think what what we're getting at is that the power of death has been defeated.
I think there it would be accurate to say there is a remnant of the effects of death. Because we still live in a fallen world we still live in a world that is defiled by sin and so the reason that there is still death, even though Christ has Conquered death is because there is still the there's still the presence of sin.
We've been saved from the power of sin, but the presence of stint of sin still abides. But everything is being brought into conformity to the ways of Christ day by day moment by moment conversion by conversion and so Christ was raised and Because of that he is the first fruits of what?
Begun then because the tomb wasn't just the end of a story. It was the beginning of a new story. When the tomb was empty. When death was robbed of the Son of God. The world was forever changed because now Death isn't the end.
Because now we are invited to be emptied as the tomb is. So Christ is raised and he is the first fruits of that resurrection of them that sleep. It means that there's more Means that there is a greater harvest yet to be reaped.
Yeah. And so when we say that the last enemy is death that there that what remains of death. Which is basically a shadow. You know quote Star Trek the predator has no teeth. That's what's left of death it is it is not a problem as Paul will continue to lay out in 1st Corinthians 15.
Oh death. Where is thy sting? Oh great. Where is that victory? This is. We're dealing with a conquered enemy. What we've got with death is physical death, but it's not final it's not permanent. Because in Christ are all made alive.
That didn't exist prior to the cross. But in Christ all they're made alive and so he must reign over death over sin over all these things until he has brought everything under under that conformity to Which point the world is made new?
Sin does not exist. We will worship God in an environment where sin doesn't exist. We will worship God in his natural habitat and that is What is being promised here in 1st Corinthians 15 that he has put all things under his feet and he will reign until Everything's under his feet even death.
Yeah, yeah, I would like to and I accept the challenge from what I'm fixing to say from from anybody because I trust y 'all and I know that I May not have the best understanding of this. So I Lay it out here as a statement that I welcome rebuke on if I'm wrong Revelation 20 and verse 11.
Then I saw the great white throne and one seated on it earth and heaven fled from his presence and no place was found for them. I saw the dead the great and small standing before the throne and the books were opened.
Another book was opened which was the book of life and The dead were judged according to their works by what was written in the books and the sea gave up its dead and death and Hades gave up their dead.
All were judged according to the books or to excuse me all judged according to their works. Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death the lake of fire and anyone not found written in the book of life was thrown into that lake of fire my understanding is that the the Lord reigns in victory.
Death like like Tyler was saying it's still in a very Temporary condition for those of us who are still alive and walking around however, until the great white throne room judgment death still stops all those that walk with this earth and They'll come a day.
What the Bible refers to is the great white throne room judgment where death will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire with the false prophet beast with hell. So people get this assumption that hell itself is the lake of fire, but that that wouldn't be so according to this it would have it's almost viewed up as a Almost viewed like a person the way it says they give up those they had.
I you know again I'm laying this out there in a way that I Very poor understanding of maybe however, that's the way I look at it brother Robert is That this is the final time that death is once and forever defeated from this moment on and this is what we refer to As the second death which I think is where death dies.
Maybe that's way. Maybe that's wrong way to put that but. So I welcome, you know I welcome competing thoughts and and or theories on that from anybody as far as that goes listeners laborers the illusions alike.
So. So, yeah, so I would agree and I would expand okay. You're right, I'm the one that usually says wait a minute. I'm pointing the episode. I've got to say I would disagree, right? I would agree. And expand upon that and say I mean in picture it like this.
I think Again Resurrection is a matter of eschatology. I know, you know, it seems to always go back there. But really resurrection is a matter of eschatology and I think what John said was was right on in and here here's what we need to understand and know is when we think of the.
We're talking about the final judgment when we're talking when we're reading this the final right. It's this is it. This is this is those who and this is how it relates to the resurrection. It's what I'll get to here that those who have died lost from creation.
To whenever the Lord wraps everything up that all those dead and alive. When at the moment of the final judgment and here's where I'll step out where John was and I'll say This may be challenged. But as human beings we we pick we want to picture everything.
Right like in one two, three, four, five six order because that's all we can understand but Simultaneously when the Lord steps out. And the trumpet sounds. It's over. Consummation takes place it happens what happens simultaneously while this happens everything happens everything.
Everything everything the dead are raised to stand before God. The books are open. What is the books? It's the book of their works because the scripture this makes a distinction between the books that had their works in the book of life.
What is the book of life it is the book. Referred to that all of the elect of God are written in from the before the foundation of the world. So everybody stands before God. Imagine you're already quote unquote inhale for rebellion against the Holy God and Then what happens?
Instantaneously, they're brought back to stand before the judge of all the earth and as they stand before the judge of all the earth the sentence the final sentence is proclaimed to them and Not only that but as the scripture states death and hell itself Are cast into the lake of fire.
That's the final judgment that's when it's all done and in and I hold to this because of at the end here of the book of Corinthians this chapter that that Tyler started to read. I want to finish it. It says this in 1st Corinthians 1550.
He said this beloved flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. It cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. But he said this behold I'll tell you a mystery.
We shall not all sleep. But we shall all be changed. In a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound and what's it say happen? The dead in Christ will be raised incorruptible and then we which are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the air.
For this perishable must put on or this corruptible. I'll quote the King James because that's what I learned earlier corruptible must put on in corruption and this mortal must this. Corrupt must put on immortality and this mortal must put on immortality.
So then shall be brought to pass the saying this that Oh death that death is swallowed up in victory. Oh death, where is your victory? Oh grave? Where is your sting for the strength or he says this the sting of death is sin.
But the strength of sin is the law but thanks be unto God. Which gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. It's there for my beloved brothers be steadfast. Unmovable always abounding in the work of the Lord knowing this Is not in vain.
Yes, it is it's a good and or is as in the country it's a good. That's right, that's a good earn but but that you know that that that's where we tent we have to Understand that what we have in the scriptures is written in a way in Anthropomorphic terms, right so we can get it, but there's a simultaneous.
It's like the order of salvation it's a simultaneous group of events that take place that we're not able necessarily to Delineate one from the other because guess what at that moment Time as the old song say will be no more.
We're uh, we're uh, we're we're in God's Realm from there and it's even then that the that the new creation takes place the new heavens and the new earth happen. So that's my feel on that I.
Think all your answers were very thoughtful and edify me a ton. It was wonderful. Thank you for those answers. I mean, that's a difficult question. That's a difficult.
Concept to think about but these are calculus questions.
Beautifully answered and and you know, depending on your eschatology pin on some things maybe tweaked a little bit. That was beautiful and helped me out a ton, so I'm Prayerful that it helped those people who are watching or listening.
Truthfully, well just a point out diversity element here. You mentioned eschatology. I think we've got all three camps represented in this group here. I Think we've got pre post and a mill. Here at the circle right now.
I mean I'm mistaken I'm a closet a mill.
Tyler I look I'm on the fence man. Post premium. I don't love all y 'all anyway.
Just don't leave us behind, okay. But that just I think speaks to the diversity of this group. You know that we're coming from different backgrounds different perspectives different angles sometimes, but we're all united in the gospel of God.
And one of the things that I think that I'll go out on a limb and say this for me I can speak for. I can't speak for anybody else when it comes to things like eschatology. One of the one of the reasons why I refuse to die on this hill is because he was reading.
He said behold. I tell you a great mystery. This is when Paul the guy that Peter says says hard things says this is a mystery and He's taught the revelation by Christ. Whether in the third whether the spirit or not, I don't know.
I know a man called up in the third heaven. This kind of thing. I think we need to give grace where we don't know and we need to be man enough to admit I don't know. So there's some things that's why I prefaced what I said, but I welcome rebuke on this because if somebody can show me where I'm wrong, I'd be excited to know and I think that's that's a was it brother Jonathan says all time.
This is an open-handed thing. Yeah, I said, here's my two cents.
Appreciate what you were saying called about how the resurrection encompasses everything yeah, even eschatology and. And I begin to ponder on that and think about that and how you know it it starts. The resurrection of Jesus Christ is is the greatest subject to ponder in the world and we could spend an eternity of eternity's glory in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
But his resurrection even beyond that is what kick-started and a lot made all the other Resurrections possible. That's right. It is all the other resurrections that that that I'm getting ready to list off, you know.
We're not possible without the resurrection of Jesus Christ. And so you what did Jesus say to Nicodemus and here? Here's one of the spiritual Applications what he said in Nicodemus, you must be born again.
You you've got to be we were dead in our trespasses and sin. We've got to be raised to newness of life. We've got to be resurrected. That's right. And then you have an old covenant. You've got a new covenant and our eschatology is gonna You know come out here so you got Romans chapter 8 verse 22.
But we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. What was what was birthed out of the old covenant? It was the new covenant the the old died the old age the old died the old.
The old died it was gone it was it was worthless as Hebrew said. And he knew go ahead. Well, the the new has come the new was. The this life was resurrected new covenant has come. It was born out of that through Israel come Jesus Christ and then he ushered in the new covenant.
Yeah, and in that same chapter, yeah in the in the resurrection from the dead is the key. You're right because he says in 22 and 23 and 24 He says for we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in pains of childbirth until now.
It's what you read and not only the creation but we ourselves who have. There's that word first fruits of the Spirit we groan inwardly. What is this groaning for as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons.
And then there's the comma The redemption of our bodies, yes, that is the hope of the believer. That's right. I think this is where.
Terminology is very important and and oftentimes I don't say anything about this when we refer to somebody being saved. Yeah, we're talking about a future event with a past tense word and thus starts the confusion.
Yeah, right. I think that one of the biggest reasons why some folks I Will say it will be dogmatic. You can't lose your salvation some folks be dogmatic that you can is based primarily on a Idea of where they are in this timeline what you were talking about a while ago with all these instantaneous moments.
You're talking about a mystery thing to some degree is because whenever eternity starts time stops or time stops. You have a very hard time listing things in order. Because we don't have the tools to unpack eternal things.
We don't understand earthly things all that good. Whenever you're talking about these kind of events, I think it's best to say especially in Romans 8 we having the first fruits of Salvation this is where you're born again.
That's that that's the word I would use to make sure that we're talking about it in proper context. We eagerly await. We eagerly await. Anybody I've ever met that's a Christian that's honest with himself.
I want to see Jesus. Amen, I long for the day that I get to be with him and see him and I don't have to worry about this flesh I always holding me back. I can be as close to him as he'll allow me to be and I can worship him.
Maybe I'll be at a sing pretty there. My my thing is is that I've grown because of the longing to be with the one that I love this much. The way the earth I think groans because they're like, let's let this thing be done, right?
Let's let this judgment be done. The sin has had far too long to be on this earth and this wasn't what you made it for Lord. You made it to be good yes, and It's because of this man that sins allowed to be on this earth.
And I think that that same verbiage used in Romans 8 is that anticipation of the new creation? Belonging to be in the presence of the master and If we're not careful if we look at it. From that same view when we say we're saved.
And we look at it from that past tense view. Then I think at times we may read eschatology into this where there isn't eschatology being talked about. Is that fair? Because when I say that I'm saved I'm what I'm saying is that my faith and my hope is that Christ is everything He says he's gonna be and it's as good as done when I get there.
I can call it a past tense event because when I go before the Lord, he's already promised it. He's not a man that he should lie. And so whenever he tells me that I have life, I believe him. Right, and I can say it as if it's already Happened, but the truth of it is until the pearly gates slim shut behind you.
You can't say saved in the past tense. You can say being saved as Paul would say later on. Being born again and being made new being sanctified and being saved all the time. So it's a I think we have to be careful that we that we don't read it backwards.
Because as you said earlier, we're on this side of the cross and I think that we're bent to continually be thinking from a Completed point of view. Whereas we're actually still being made new. We're actually still being worked on.
We may be justified. But God's only begun a good work in us and he's going to be faithful to complete that work in it. So it's a it's a process. That's a vacation. Yes. Yeah, so so this is that's the way I read it when I see that now again I say that and I welcome a rebuke because I could be wrong.
I say this with open hands, but That's always been my convictions towards this scripture brother Robert. I.
Know that we could go on a big rabbit trail that we don't have time for on eschatology. We'll say for another time but but you were talking about a process and When I was listening to Tyler because I wanted to comment on on what he said because it was so thoughtful and it was very Good from what I was hearing Tyler say He was talking about a process as well.
You know the the beginning of the victory over death was was final complete and in full. Yeah. At the resurrection, but there's a process until The final hell in the grave final judgment is is thrown into the lake of fire.
And so there's there's that process of Working out that Conquering of death and it made me think of and I can't remember exactly how he says it But it reminded me of how can him when he defines The word death in in Genesis when God tells Adam and Eve that you shall surely die he says And maybe you guys can put it better than I can but because I can't remember exactly but he says in in dying You shall surely die die dying.
You shall surely die is they didn't die shall die.
What was that dying Lee? You shall die. That is the yeah most literal the painfully literal Hebrew is dying.
Lee you shall die. Yeah, so they didn't physically bodily died the day that they disobeyed God it began that process they died spiritually and then it began that process and then ultimately they they died physically and.
So I think that we've all tied Everything together. They're speaking about that process and and helping answer that question with victory and death that Jesus won on the cross and in the resurrection with someone.
10 and 1st Corinthians 15. So that was beautiful. I know we were to our and five minutes already. Already and we don't have to look we don't have time to look at any more at 1st Corinthians 15. We may have to do Its own podcast to look at 1st Corinthians 15 and and look at and maybe do another podcast and look at eschatology again.
I wouldn't mind that I bet you.
And I want to say this the the the only reason I said that About them being connected is because eschatology is the study of last things. And so what is the last thing? The resurrection. So that's why I made that connection there because it truly is by definition.
They're in the parentheses.
And you were spot-on when you're talking about how the resurrection touches every every other. You know theology. Yeah in of the of the New Covenant. Absolutely. So just real quickly. Because I had this on the list and I think it's important that we touch on.
I know Keith Foskey. I know that he's done. It was a sermon or a video. Some kind of lesson on this topic. I think specifically on Lent, but just briefly. Let's hit this and we'll call it a night. But there's some traditions that some denominations some Practice and some would call them rituals and I'll just throw some of them out there.
You've got Holy Monday, Ash Wednesday, Lent. And then of course Passover is related to this holiday Palm Sunday Shroove Tuesday and Monday Thursday.
Hawk Tide. What what Hawk Tide? Hawk Tide. So Holy Monday, so Holy Monday. I'll run through this real quick. It's the day after Easter Sunday, right? It's a national holiday in many countries, right? So basically nobody works right on Easter Monday.
In medieval England people would not work on Easter Monday or the Tuesday either and it was called Hawk Tide. H-o-c-k-t-i-d-e one word Hawk Tide not Hawk Tide.
That's what I thought you were saying. So there's Holy Monday. So Ash Wednesday Begins Lent, right? I believe it does well.
See you guys are in the same boat that I'm in because You know growing up the the tradition that that I was brought up in we didn't practice these things either but we'll see we'll see maybe see some of our friends or classmates and.
They'll have some some ash on their forehead in the shape of a crow. And you'll see on Facebook people what they're giving up for Lent this year and so. Traditionally that's what people do they give up something for Lent.
Leading up to Easter Sunday Ash Wednesday, I think begins Lent. And I think it's related to how When people would repent they would put on sackcloth and ashes. So it's a repenting time.
I Was just thinking what well said What Jesus said to the Pharisees, right? When you do fast Don't let it appear to me and wash your face go on about life as normal. And that's it's kind of a an announcing of how holy you are.
When when you you know, you put ash on your forehead and you walk around.
These things some kind of Catholic sacrament that somehow was a holdover after the Reformation that I'm not aware of.
Well in the medieval period you had a Pursuit that they called the imitation of Christ. It was made very big by a Thomas a campus it was more of the medieval mysticism thing, but they. Basically, the idea was that you are closest to God when you imitate Christ in very specific ways.
So they would like fast for 40 days because that's what Jesus did. So they would try to grow close to the heart of Christ through doing exactly what he did. They would be homeless. They would give to the poor they would they would do these things and these are all good things.
These aren't automatically bad things but the what it became was that they in a sense become like Christ because the things and. And so that's the premise of Lent and Ash Wednesday and some of these things and John Knox came against this stuff with a fervor in the 1500s that Lent is By definition idolatry because you can't be like Christ.
You can't be who he was. Perfectly. Yes, and so stop adding holidays essentially to your worship. Because you want to be like Jesus. You can't fill those shoes. That's right. He wrote a whole treatise on this about how Lent well, it may have been well intentioned at some point.
It's become another Example of papal folly. Yeah, he probably is harder language than I did but The general idea was that it may have been well intentioned. But it quickly turned into something else and it became less about the heart of Christ that is embodied in these things.
They became more about the things about these are the things I do. Because I'm a Christian. And so when we come to Lent and Ash Wednesday and Maundy Thursday and some of these that's what we got to keep in mind.
Regardless of whether you do Ash Wednesday or not. I don't care. But what's this what's going on in the heart here because Psalm 139 says Oh Lord thou hast searched me and know me. So regardless of what's going on out here.
Regardless of what's going on on the outside. God knows the heart. That's probably better than you do. And so that is that's where it matters because we will worship in spirit and truth. Oh. The Bible talks a great deal about the content of the heart that.
It's not good sometimes and so with these external things. We've got to be careful. Because it can very easily turn into hallowed traditions. You know that I honestly get away from the heart of Christ because he hasn't told us to do these things.
So at the end of the day, we are making stuff up and while it may be. It may have good intentions that it may actually Be something that people draw closer to Christ during Holy Week because they gave a comfort food for Lent.
But it's got to be motivated by the heart not the hands.
Let not the mighty man boast in his mind. Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom or rich man boast in his riches. Boast in this.
Amen. Yeah, I don't I don't think it could have been said any better than that guys. I mean that was that was fantastic. And you know, you were talking about Tyler how these these things are used to try to to make us be like Christ or be more like Christ or be closer to Christ.
And you may be thinking and I'm afraid to use the word because I don't want to I don't want to say it wrong or the wrong word. But it made me think about Some Some folks that live south of us that you have to see it in a parade, but they'll beat themselves.
Yes, it's called self-flagellation. Yeah. To join in the suffering.
But but it doesn't do that and that's not what the verse is talking about and it doesn't draw closer to Christ.
It's part of that medieval practice too with the imitation of Christ. That's what Martin Luther was doing in the monastery.
Yes in a lot of ways. I think that would be an abomination for the Lord. He took these stripes. So we didn't have that's right. As a father, I do things so my children don't have to. I'm not pleased when I see them do things I've done for them.
Right, you don't go do things for somebody and say that I've done this for you. And then you somehow think you're doing me a favor by doing something that I've already done for you. That's nonsense.
Amen and And this is the work of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Not us. Not us. Well, I appreciate you guys so much. This was edifying to me. It was wonderful. And Praise the Lord praise the Lord for the resurrection praise the Lord for his son.
I'm so thankful Big John, yes, sir. Would you share with us the gospel and Tyler will you pray for us when he finishes? Absolutely.
We've been all over all more all evening. Because of man's disobedience in the beginning God cursed the earth and death reigns on the earth. Even up till now to some degree to others who don't believe.
We've all sinned and we've all fallen short the glory of God just like Adam did in Christ. And God be fully justified in rightly condemning us all to hell. But because he loved us and if for no other reason than because he loved us.
He decided to go to a cross as we've said he died. He took upon himself. Seeing it wasn't his. That's right shame that he didn't deserve as brother. Claus said he humbled himself to the death of a cross.
Willingly giving up his life. So that sin could be atoned for mm-hmm and that all those who believe in him can have that atonement. But he didn't stay in the grave. That's right in three short days. That stone rolled away.
My king got up out of the grave. Hey, man, and he rules to this day. Never to be touched by death again. Never to be harmed by anyone again from a place of complete victory. Christ stands and he still calls to what you come.
That if you just believe in him that you just trust him. He would save you. He would give you a new heart with new intentions. And he would bring you into the family of God by his own grace and in through faith.
My prayer is that if you're watching but if you're listening and you do not know the Lord. That you surrender to him. Because he's worth it. I Don't want you to come to him out of any other reason than because He's worth it.
Amen and let him change you. We could argue all day long different points of eschatology and argue with people who have different belief systems. But one thing we won't argue is what happens when Jesus gets hold of a man.
He changes. Mm-hmm. He'll put his spirit inside of you. You'll be a new creature in Christ. You'll have a life. I pray you seek after him today. Let him change. This is the gospel. Oh.
Lord our Lord How majestic is thy name and all of the earth we come to you today. Having been having been fed. Yes. Having been encouraged having been challenged Having been reminded. Not just the gravity The death of your son and his resurrection but also of the great distance that he traveled.
That we will be reconciled to him. The reality that we can know you but also that we can be known by you. That there is union and communion in your house. Because there is an empty tomb God burn that anew in our hearts in our minds on our hands.
That this is where we live. This is the call of Christ. To go to stay to live to die.
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