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Let's do a quick introduction. And when you do your quick introduction Let us know of course your podcast and your latest podcast that you just put up So John go ahead and start with yourself

So my podcast is called real talk with big John we just recently put up Where we started a new series called unveiled.

I'm gonna be working with several other guys inside of my own denomination but start out with me and brother

Austin Carnes have have began to break down some some doctrinal topics and doctrinal statements that Pretty much all all

Christian churches believe in ours is no ours is no No different and but we we want our

We want our church to be knowledgeable. We I picked and cut up I said, I like the church got to be known for being more than just a really hot band and And having a good outreach program, but whenever the feet get to floor, they know how to walk

Tell her how about you Well, my name is Tyler and I I am the host of the bread of the word podcast

I put out weekly content going verse by verse through books of the Bible. I'm currently marching through the song of Solomon Latest episode

I will be dropping this Sunday at 2 o 'clock Eastern Time Almost wrapping up chapter 2

It's been about 2 or 3 months now and we're just now coming to the end of chapter 2, but it's been a very slow

Meditative walk through the book of Song of Solomon and you have a special resurrection day

Episode coming up, right? Yes. Yes. So this week's episode a tie straight into the resurrection

So it starts with Song of Solomon and the privilege that we have to know Christ the risen beloved and then it segues into it

Psalm 139 with the reality that we are also known by God Sunday 2 o 'clock check it out bread of the word

Claude how about you? well, let me begin by saying this that I've got to check out

Big John's episode. It was fantastic. I Regularly listened to Tyler as well because Tyler puts out content every single week man.

He is on it. He is good Privilege actually of is it it's been a year or two years

Tyler's it's almost been a year almost to the day It ain't that hard to believe Yeah, it was we really got to know each other good on that on that episode

I really enjoyed it. So but I'm just I'm just a happy Calvinist. I have the here I stand theology podcast had the privilege of Having Jay and tello on with us.

He's the reformed Rican or the reformed Puerto Rican, dude However, you want to say it the reform

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I do want to Share with you. I know this is this is a special Resurrection Day celebration podcast that we want to do and and that day that period of time was

More horrific that we can imagine it was it was serious And we need to honor it as such but also we are post -resurrection

Post ascension. We are in the new covenant. We've been we've been born again Yes, sir blood of Jesus Christ.

So even though that was that was a horrible horrible day we're

Post resurrection and we are born again We can celebrate and we can have a good time and we can have joy in this day and then the celebration

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Rob's gonna ride a tiger into the church So we want to talk about Resurrection since we celebrate that day coming up This Sunday, this is a good

Friday and then we're rolling up on resurrection Sunday And so we want to we want to honor that day, even though we honor

Christ He is he is the Lord of the Sabbath. He is Gained victory conquered death

And so we want to honor him and remember that every day but especially the day that we Reserve to remember that that special occasion

Because he died for us He died for those that would believe in him and he he wiped away our dead and it took away the wrath of God that we deserve but by his life his death resurrection and Who he is and his mercy and grace on us so All that we can do to celebrate him.

We want to do it. And so sure what? We want to talk about the significance of the resurrection

So let me let me jump in With the first question

If we want to if we want to go in order that's fine or it's fine But I want to jump in so my call shot save me for three or four y 'all go ahead

Okay. Well if we if we go in order then you'll have number three, so that'll work. That'll work out good.

Perfect Big John, yes, sir. Was the bodily bodily resurrection from the dead

One of the prophecies to be fulfilled of the Messiah if so, where? so There's first of all, yes

To do like what the cloud doesn't go Yes There's a couple places one obviously you think about in Psalm 16 for not suffer

Beloved to see decay, right and obviously that couldn't have been talking about David because he's still in the ground

That's been quoted in Hebrews. I think it is or at least in Corinthians and then also in Hosea and oh

No, I'm having difficulties with Internet all right, here we go.

So in Hosea 5 14

And 6 2 and like a young line of the house of Judah I even I will tear them down and go away.

I will take them away and no one shall rescue I'll return again my place until they acknowledge the offense and they will seek seek my face and my affliction

They will earnestly seek me Oh come let us return to the Lord for he has torn but he will heal for he has torn

He will heal us. He was stricken, but he will bind us up after two days He'll revive us on the third day.

He will raise us up. We may live in his sight some have said this is a Old Testament prophecy of the risen

Savior and then you've got Suppose Jesus himself saying that just like Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights

So must the Son of Man be in the in the in the earth. So in a lot of ways By Jesus's own account,

I would say that Jonah the story of Jonah why it wasn't told prophetically was a foreshadowing of Things to come and then

Paul would later on say that all the things that we see Sabbath feast days No, thanks, just a sign pointing to the gospel

And I think that Jonah illustration Just a tad go for the the

Hebrew word that we transliterate as Jonah is your now and it means dove

It's a it means dove which is In that Hebrew term was it it was a word of endearment.

It was kind of like I'm saying my beloved So we see this in Song of Solomon several times

I'm actually talking about this in Sunday's episode that Christ tapified in the the man in the

Song of Solomon refers to the church as my dove as my beloved and Of course we see that in light of The words of God when the

Christ was baptized. This is my son in whom I am well -pleased I Think you could take a little bit of a linguistic

Liberty there and understand that word dove or Jonah as My beloved there you go

Hey, hey Tyler, I really appreciate you bringing in what you're learning from Song of Solomon and applying it

You know where it's applicable to what we're talking about, but you know what you're doing You're making us all really hungry to be listening to bread of the word podcast

Amen, I appreciate that. It's really good stuff. Everybody feels dumber after having talked to Tyler I Appreciate being here

And I appreciate that verse that you you brought the first one. He's brought up big John in Psalm 16 because it's

It's a hot topic in some circles today, but it speaks not just to the resurrection because Some there's some verses that you could

You could understand as a spiritual spiritual resurrection, you know being born again coming to life, but it says

Will not see decay That's right and It's got to be speaking of his body bodily resurrection.

That's right. You think about it in terms just of the plain reading of it when you think about A Spiritual the first thing that you don't think of is physical body, right?

And then when you think of decay the very first thing you think of it's something dead and something that was physical so in a very

Plain straightforward reading. I don't I don't know that I would jump to a Spiritual explanation for a text like that.

I'm not saying it doesn't have spiritual ramifications. Obviously it does but I think that That if you're looking for just a plain meaning of it, which is what we want to do, right?

We want to be contextually accurate with the text. So man well, and he he proved the fulfillment of that that it was most likely talking about a physical bodily resurrection because after the fact

He's meeting people, you know, he's saying touch touch my hands. Mm -hmm. Stick your hand on my side.

Yeah So so another thing to think about is how what what is he doing whenever he he explains how this is not talking about David because he says we know that David is both dead and buried and we know we know where He's buried it.

So one of the things that you got to keep in mind that is is rampant today even there's a

Almost it's podcast here called one for Israel or something like that But in any case I was watching a

YouTube documentary where they ask Hebrews Hebrew nationals out there in Israel that was in Jerusalem most of the time when they film it and they asked them to read

Isaiah 53 And their understanding of Isaiah 53 is incorrect. They view

Isaiah 53 is somehow Israel is being written about in Isaiah 53 when certainly

Isaiah 53 cannot be being talked about in Israel which is probably as good as good of a

Example of Jesus fulfilling in Old Testament prophecy as any when you consider a man that we do esteem do not stricken a man of sorrow stricken with grief, but he

We I can't quote it all but to some effect My strife for his for it pleased the

Lord to crush him upon him he bear the iniquities of us all in any case the It's very clear.

Mm -hmm that Isaiah 53 is talking about Jesus and any yes in any In any kind of Intelligent mind looking at it.

We'll see that he's talking about atheists would read that and know that we must be talking about Jesus, right? so You would have to look you would have to look at it

Like you you really need to suppress this truth in order to believe a lie in other words, and I think

That maybe there was some of that stuff beginning to start with Israel even then they were reading themselves into the text instead of reading the

Messiah into the text and and the writer of the New Testament Was saying whoa. Whoa.

Whoa, we know where David's buried. That's right. I can take you right now and show you his bones in a jar But this

Lord that we serve he's alive That's right That's right

Man, I Had the wonderful opportunity to as I was coming home from a mission trip

Overseas to have that 13 -hour flight Part of that was next to an

Orthodox Jew studying to be a rabbi And we talked about Isaiah 53 a little bit.

It was me my pastor and this guy we were talking for a bit Not like antagonistic or anything, but we just kind of started talking so what about Isaiah 53 and he absolutely said that hey, he didn't know who

Isaiah was because he knows the Hebrew names not the Transliterated Greek like we have in Isaiah But He hadn't gotten that far in the the

Old Testament yet in his rabbinic studies, so he didn't have an answer but off the top of his head, he would say it was probably either

Isaiah or Maybe David that they're talking about there. Yeah, so you absolutely see this that I saw this myself a little bit

Mmm Tyler when Jesus said it is finished

What what was finished? What was he referring to when he said that in a word atonement?

and that's that's a word that we have had to invent when William Tyndale set out to put the

Bible in English There were a lot of things in the Bible that there weren't words for in English yet One of them was atonement.

No, there was tabernacle and church and some of those but atonement was this idea of bearing another sins

You can get a little more technical than that, but literally the word he came up with we talked about with Leviticus Wasn't it's at one meant it's the means by which we become at one with God Leviticus 17 um says that I'm sorry.

I'm on the wrong page Leviticus 17 11 says for the life of the flesh is in the blood and I have given it to you upon the altar

To make an atonement for your souls. Yes, or it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul

I mean says in Deuteronomy that the priest shall make atonement so when Christ enters the scene when he

Descends when the beloved comes down the mountain he is Taking the role of priests not in the sense as the

Levites are that he is something older something better something greater Than what the priests did in the book of Leviticus But he's still acting as a priest nonetheless.

And so he goes and offers himself To deal with our sins to bear our sins in his body as it says in 2nd

Peter chapter 2 And so when he says it is finished It is accomplished that the final pain sacrifice for sin has been given out that he has bore the wrath of God In our place in in the state of sinners

Christ has died Amen, so when it says in the Greek if I'm saying it right tae to lest I That's right.

I don't know how to speak Greek, but I know it's spelt And it literally means it is finished, but it's generally used

Was generally in that context was used in reference to payment to debts to squaring a debt that that debt is is covered that when a debt was covered in that time period that the

Stockbroker or whatever term you want to use then would take his pen and he'd write over the the bill

Tae to lest day. That's right And that's that is that's atonement.

That is a picture of what the Old Testament calls atonement Is that what what we owed

Because the wages of sin is death Christ has paid for and has written over it tae to lest day.

Hey, man, what you owe you owe no more Amazing Before we go any further

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We appreciate you as well. Let us know that you're watching question number three Where does the

Bible? Specifically say that Jesus conquered death had victory over death or defeated death

Well, I'm glad that you asked it's my turn Man as I told you all in the in them in them in our messenger thread.

I'm cranked up about this It's exciting Because the

I mean the resurrection man, that's it. Let me let me quote it one of the old hymns right here

It says on that resurrection morning when all the dead in Christ shall rise Praise the

Lord. I'll have a new body. I'll have a new life Sown in weakness raised in power

Ready to live in paradise. I'll have a new body praise the

Lord. I'll have a new life Hey, that is the hope of the Christian I mean that is it is the the difference between the

Christian religion and every other religion Is the resurrection of the dead now?

Y 'all I have to excuse me if I if I decide to preach on this But I'm gonna read the scripture right to prove to prove my answer to this question so the

Apostle Paul in the book of Colossians is Writing to the church at Colossae and he says this

See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition according to the elemental spirits of this world and not according to Christ for in him dwells the fullness of the

Godhead bodily and You have been filled in him who is the head of all rule and authority?

Paul goes on to say this in him. You were crucified with a cruise or I'm sorry in him

You were circumcised made with a circumcision made without hands How by putting off the body of flesh by the circumcision of Christ having been buried with him in?

Baptism in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of the working of God who and The scripture says raised him from the dead and you

Who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh?

God made alive together with him having forgiven us all Trespasses and here it comes by canceling the record of debt stood against us with its legal demands

Not only that I feel like Billy Mays on an oxy clean commercial here, but wait, there's more

Yeah, right this he set aside Nailing it to his cross.

There's the death Nailing it to his cross and he did this the

King James says he spoiled the Principalities and powers the ESB says he disarmed the rulers and authorities and he put them to an open shame

How by trying over them in it listen before before Jesus Death was a one -way street

Jesus is the only man that ever faced death and he came out alive

That's exactly right by his own power he came out of the grave on that third day

So, what does that mean? How do we know like your question states here? How do we know Jesus conquered death?

Well, the Bible says he raised from the dead. It's really quite simple It's really quite simple and and that he had victory over death or defeated death again

It's really quite simple the picture that's painted in this Colossians passage Is that he

I mean he embarrassed? the principalities and the powers all

Their lives the book of Hebrew can go into the Hebrews. You can go to the book of Hebrews I believe it's the second chapter.

I won't go there right now and I'll give these other guys their turn back here But you go brother. You keep on going.

Listen in Hebrews. It says that he that he came to Deliver those us people humanity who all their lives spent our time in fear of death

That he came to destroy the power of death and he destroyed the works of Satan and my friend that is why that is why we can say just in that I mean, there's there's a whole

Bible Right, but that's why we can that's why I can say this. I know Jesus conquered death

I know victory Jesus had victory over death and I know Jesus defeated death The what another one of the old songs right you asked me how

I know he lives the old song says he lives within my Heart someone will say what's that proof?

Well, I can say that but what is the evidence? What is the demonstration of the power of Christ?

It is this that Christ Can find the sinner man

He can find the sinner woman. He can find the sinner boy. He can find the sinner girl

It don't matter how high you go or how low you go It don't matter what rock you hide under or what you pull up over your head

He's there and my friend one day all men will give account of their sin before God Why because he is not dead he is alive and he is according to the scriptures the judge of both the living and the dead

I Was looking forward to that that that rant you was getting ready to take because I think you repeated it maybe twice

But I was looking for you to keep going with it. It was it was him. It was him.

It was him And you could just go on with all the things that he has done that's right

Well, but we could just Oh repeat that over and over it was him. It was him. Hmm.

That was good Well, you want a three and four and if four is related to that question so question four and is

Speaking about the the victory and conquering and defeating death does this reference to Jesus Resurrection?

Which which you answered it does refer to Jesus Resurrection if so, what made this event different from the people

Jesus raised from the dead prior because this is what I was thinking when I when I asked that question

So we know that Jesus raised people from the dead in his ministry. We know that people were raised from the dead

So it seems just on the outside Death was defeated.

I mean they were dead now they're alive. So in some way some fashion or form

Death was defeated. So how does Jesus defeating death with the resurrection differ from those

Resurrections one word or actually be two words and a one of those slash marks between them

The difference is this Jesus was resurrected from the dead the widow of Nain's boy

Jairus's Well, it wasn't Jairus's daughter, but the widow of Nain's boy Lazarus they were they were resuscitated

They were brought back to life But guess what? They still had to die again and boy just to put it plain that had to suck

Yeah, yeah, I'll be honest with y 'all. That's the only way I can put that right, but they were

Resuscitated they were brought back to life, but Jesus is the only one Who was raised from the dead?

Never to die Again, that's right. So I want to pin on something on that I was sharing this with Phil at work the other day and I hope he's listening

I hope he's give his life to the Lord Larry, you know, I'm talking to and uh, I Think it is as remarkable that Christ died

We're we're made abundantly clear all throughout scripture for the wages of sin is death, but we know there was no sin in Christ, right?

So now it isn't like the Romans can kill him

So, I mean think about it for a second this death that we die because of the curse

Because of sin. Well, he had no inheritance sin because he had no earthly father Therefore he had no sin by way of inheritance.

So he is Literally the only person who is sinless so it is it

I Think this is one account of Matthew. You see some other folks get up from the dead when

Jesus is crucified Yeah, we don't talk about it very often because there's some crazy stuff that must have went on You're talking about an encounter in creation.

That was so Remarkable. This has never happened everywhere in in in ever before nor could have it breaks all the rules that nature

We're set up by God to keep and that is that God died Man, he made him sin who knew no sin second try against 5 and 21

This is so that he could first of all die

Second of all so that the sin that was mine Could be imputed on someone who was sinless.

That's right And this is such a phenomenon this is it's had to have been such a crazy

Encounter of God's holiness of God's grace of God's justice and God's love all come and crashing together in one spot

I'm talking Calvary's here with wooden crosses the backdrop that creation Shudders the sky turns black the veils rent the graves open and dead people get up who were saints of all that's right

What else is going to happen that's why these Romans who were who were Animals but good at killing people said he had to have been gone.

That's right This is an incredible event that we don't just wax poetic over so he died for my sins

Y 'all, please stand up and let's go ahead and start the benediction. No, right? God had to die to make a man right with him and then and then it wasn't

Complete this this salvation wasn't complete while I do believe Tyler's right I believe that on that cross at atonement that the wrath of due man the wrath due sinners was being cast

Upon the Lord in that moment, and I think that's the cup that he was wanting to be passed from him

But it was God's willing to be done. I Think is in that moment That all that sin and all that wrath and all that justice is allowed to be satisfied

John First epistle of John chapter 2 verse 2 says that he became the propitiation for our sin.

It was answered for This is an incredible thing the Proverbs. I think it's

Proverbs 7 and something Lord. I don't know if that's right or not I think it's 7 says that that you can't pardon the wicked or condemn the righteous both or abomination before the

Lord on that cross on that cross the righteous was condemned and the and the wicked were justified and but three days later

Three days later so that they would be hope he shook off death and got up.

Hey, man Hey, man, I get a bit costly. I can't help it My God died for me praise the

Lord and then destroyed death so that it so that it never had to be hanging over my head Anymore since their life is always there

Man, he's a good God. Hey, man, I Know that I have

I have never Thought about what you just said We talked about the

Resurrection being a miracle and how amazing it was but we know how powerful God is and raising somebody from the dead is nothing for God, but What a miracle that God died

That's right. He he had to humble himself from that position to Become a man.

That's right so that that could happen. Oh There's an exodus that no man can see my face and live and Yet Christ came down and we beheld his glory

Amen has died as the glory of the only begotten of God He humbled himself yes

That this mind being you which was also on Christ Jesus Philippians 2 5 through 11 who being in the form of God did not think it robbery to be equal with God But he made himself of no reputation and he took upon him the form of a servant and Came in the likeness of men and being found in fashion as a man

He humbled himself and became obedient unto death even the death of the cross

Wherefore God also has highly exalted him and given him the name that is above every name

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in heaven of things in the earth and things under the earth and that Every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is

Lord to the glory of God the Father John let's head back up to you brother and if you wanted to add anything else

And you've you've you've hit on this question already a lot just not

I haven't specifically asked it So putting all those things together to answer this question

Is there a connection between the resurrection and and that death that was promised to Adam and Eve?

Absolutely Absolutely for Adam fell and because Adam fell Sin and then the earth was cursed and sin in the world and all men die by this

We call the second Adam became a life -giving spirit and all might live in him.

Amen All died Adam. I'll live in Christ As the head of the first family

Adam dropped the ball He had dominion in that garden and he dropped the ball

Christ picked it up and became the head of the family of God and he don't drop the ball.

He doesn't fail he doesn't know how to fail and Everywhere that Adam failed in such a terrible way

Christ succeeded and fixed what was torn. Hey, man Amen, so here's our last question on this this set

Tyler you're next on the list brother if these references Are to the resurrection

Three days after the crucifixion concerning victory over death conquering death Why does 1st

Corinthians 15 say that he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet

And a lot that last enemy is death This is where I think it gets challenging for me

And I'm curious to hear what you brothers say because we were saying on one hand he is is defeated death.

He's conquered death but then 1st Corinthians 15, of course quoting

Psalm 110 and Hebrews and so many other Books quote

Psalm 110, but it says that he must he must reign. He's putting all his enemies under his feet

Until that last enemy that last enemies death that he puts under his feet Well, let's go to 1st

Corinthians chapter 15 So if we pick up in verse 12, which is a little bit before what you just quoted

Rob Now Christ be preached that he rose from the dead How say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

But if there be no resurrection of the dead then is Christ not risen and if Christ has not be not risen

Then is our preaching vain and your faith is also vain Yay, and we are found false witnesses of God because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ whom he raised not up If so, he'll be that the dead rise not the for the dead rise not

Then is not Christ raised and a Christ be not raised your faith is vain

Year yet in your sins then they also which are fallen to sleep in Christ are perished

If in this life only we have hope in Christ. We are of all men most miserable But now is

Christ risen from the dead and become the firstfruits of them that slept for since by man came death by man came

Also the resurrection of the dead Or as an Adam all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive

But every man in his own order Christ the firstfruits afterward they that are

Christ's at his coming Then come at the end when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God even the father

When he shall have put down all rule and all authority and all power For he must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death Yep, so We have said that Christ conquered death that Christ was raised and that he has exercised power over death

And so I think what what we're getting at is that the power of death has been defeated

I think there it would be accurate to say there is a remnant of the effects of death

Because we still live in a fallen world. We still live in a world that is defiled by sin and so the reason that there's still death even though Christ has

Conquered death is because there is still the there's still the presence of sin We've been saved from the power of sin, but the presence of stint of sin still abides

But everything is being brought into conformity to the ways of Christ day by day moment by moment conversion by conversion and so Christ was raised and Because of that he is the firstfruits of what begun then because the tomb wasn't just the end of a story

It was the beginning of a new story When the tomb was empty When death was robbed of the

Son of God The world was forever changed because now Death isn't the end

Because now we are invited to be emptied as the tomb is So if Christ is raised and he is the firstfruits of that resurrection of them that sleep

It means that there's more means that there is a greater harvest yet to be reaped. Yeah And so when we say that the last enemy is death that there that what remains of death

Which is basically a shadow You know quote Star Trek. The predator has no teeth

That's what's left of death it is it is not a problem as Paul will continue to lay out in first Corinthians 15.

Oh death. Where is thy sting? Oh great. Where is that victory? This is We're dealing with a conquered enemy

What What we've got with death is physical death, but it's not final.

It's not permanent Because in Christ are all made alive

That didn't exist prior to the cross But in Christ all are made alive

And so he must reign over Death over sin over all these things until he has brought everything under under that conformity

To which point the world is made new Sin does not exist. We will worship

God in an environment where sin doesn't exist. We will worship God in his natural habitat and that is what is being promised here in first Corinthians 15 that he has put all things under his feet and he will reign until Everything's under his feet even death

Yeah, yeah, I would like to and I Accept the challenge from what

I'm fixing to say from from anybody because I trust y 'all and I know that I May not have the best understanding of this.

So I Lay it out here as a statement that I welcome rebuke on if I'm wrong

Revelation 20 and verse 11 then I saw the great white throne and Once seated on it earth and heaven fled from his presence and no place was found for them

I saw the dead the great and small standing before the throne and the books were opened another book was opened which was the book of life and the dead were judged according to their works by what was written in the books and The sea gave up its dead and death and Hades gave up their dead

All were judged according to the books or to excuse me all judged according to their works Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire

This is the second death the lake of fire and anyone not found written in the book of life was thrown into that lake of fire my understanding is that the the

Lord reigns in victory Death like like Tyler was saying is still in a very

Temporary condition for those of us who are still alive and walking around However until the great white throne room judgment death still stops all those that walk with this earth and They'll come a day

What the Bible refers to is the great white throne room judgment where death will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire with the false prophet beast with hell

So people get this assumption that hell itself is the lake of fire, but that that wouldn't be so according to this it would have it's almost viewed up as a

Almost viewed like a person the way it says they give up those they had, you know, again I'm laying this out there in a way that I very poor understanding of maybe however, that's the way

I look at it brother Robert is That this is the final time that death is once and forever defeated from this moment on And this is what we refer to as the second death, which

I think is where death dies That's why I'm going to put that but So I welcome, you know

I welcome competing thoughts and and or theories on that from anybody for as that goes listeners laborers the illusions alike so No, go ahead.

So yeah, so I would agree and I would Expand. Okay I You're right,

I'm the one that usually says wait, it's me at some point in the episode. I've got to say I would disagree, right?

I would agree And expand upon that and say I mean in picture it like this.

I think again Resurrection is a matter of eschatology

You know, it seems to always go back there but really resurrection is a matter of eschatology and I Think what

John said was was right on in and here Here's what we need to understand and know is when we think of the we're talking about the final

Judgment when we're talking when we're reading this the final right? It's this is it

This is this is those who and this is how it relates to the resurrection is what

I'll get to here that those who have died lost from creation

To whenever the Lord wraps everything up that all those dead and alive

We in at the moment of the final judgment and here's where I'll step out where John was and I'll say

This may be challenged But as human beings we we pick we want to picture everything

Right like in one two, three, four, five six order because that's all we can understand but Simultaneously when the

Lord steps out And the trumpet sounds It's over Consummation takes place it happens what happens simultaneously while this happens everything happens everything

Everything everything the dead are raised to stand before God The books are open.

What is the books? It's the book of their works because the scripture this makes a distinction between the books that had their works in the book of life

What is the book of life it is the book Referred to that all of the elect of God are written in from the before the foundation of the world

So everybody stands before God Imagine you're already quote unquote inhale for rebellion against the

Holy God and Then what happens? Instantaneously, they're brought back to stand before the judge of all the earth and as they stand before the judge of all the earth the sentence the final sentence is proclaimed to them and Not only that but as the scripture states death and hell itself

Are cast into the lake of fire. That's the final judgment that's when it's all done and in and I hold to this because of at the end here of the book of Corinthians this chapter that that Tyler started to read.

I want to finish it. It says this in 1st Corinthians 1550 He said this beloved flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God It cannot inherit the kingdom of God or nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable

But he said this behold I'll tell you a mystery

We shall not all sleep But we shall all be changed In a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound and what's it say happen?

The dead in Christ will be raised incorruptible and then we which are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the air

For this perishable must put on or this corruptible. I'll quote the King James because that's what

I learned earlier corruptible must put on incorruption and this mortal must this

Corrupt must put on immortality and this mortal must put on immortality So then shall be brought to pass the saying this that Oh death that death is swallowed up in victory

Oh death, where's your victory? Oh grave Where is your sting for the strength or he says this the sting of death is sin

But the strength of sin is the law but thanks be unto God Which gives us the victory through our

Lord Jesus Christ It's therefore my beloved brothers be steadfast unmovable always abounding in the work of the

Lord knowing this Is not in vain

Yes, it is it's a good and or is as in the country it's a good

That's right, that's a good earn but but that you know that that that's where we tend we have to Understand that what we have in the scriptures is written in a way in Anthropomorphic terms right so we can get it, but there's a simultaneous.

It's like the order of salvation it's a simultaneous group of events that take place that we're not able necessarily to Delineate one from the other because guess what at that moment

Time as the old song say will be no more We're on we're on we're we're in God's Realm from there and it's even then that the that the new creation takes place the new heavens and the new earth happen

So that's my feel on that I Think all your answers were very thoughtful and edify me a ton

It was wonderful Thank you for those answers. I mean, that's a difficult question. That's a difficult

Concept to think about but these are calculus questions Beautifully answered and and you know, depending on your eschatology pin on some things maybe tweaked a little bit

That was beautiful and helped me out a ton so I'm Prayerful that it helped those people who are watching or listening truthfully, well just a point out diversity element here you mentioned eschatology and I think we've

Got all three camps represented in this group here. I Think we've got pre post an email

Here at the circle right now. I mean I'm mistaken I'm a closet email

I Learn I look I'm on the fence man post free meal.

I Don't love all y 'all anyway And I love you man, just don't leave us behind, okay

But that's I think speaks to the diversity of this group You know that we're coming from different backgrounds different perspectives different angles sometimes, but we're all united in the gospel of God And one of the things that I think that I'll go out on a limb and say this for me

I can speak for I can't speak for anybody else when it comes to things like eschatology One of the one of the reasons why

I refuse to die on this hill is because he was reading He said behold. I tell you a great mystery

This is when Paul the guy that Peter says says hard things says this is a mystery and He's taught the revelation by Christ Whether in the third whether the spirit or not,

I don't know I know a man called up in the third heaven this kind of thing I Think we need to give grace where we don't know and we need to be man enough to admit

I don't know so there's some things that's why I prefaced what I said by I Welcome rebuke on this because if somebody can show me where I'm wrong

I'd be excited to know and I think that's that's a was it brother Jonathan says all time.

This is an open -handed thing Yeah, I say here's my two cents Appreciate what you were saying called about how the resurrection encompasses everything yeah, even eschatology and And I begin to ponder on that and think about that and how you know it it starts the resurrection of Jesus Christ Is is the greatest subject to ponder in the world and we could spend an eternity of eternity's?

glory in the resurrection of Jesus Christ But his resurrection even beyond that is what kick -started and a lot made all the other

Resurrections possible. That's right It is all the other resurrections that that that I'm getting ready to list off You know, we're not possible without the resurrection of Jesus Christ And so you what did

Jesus say to Nicodemus and here here's one of the spiritual Applications what he said in Nicodemus, you must be born again

You you've got to be we were dead in our trespasses and sin. We've got to be raised to newness of life

We've got to be resurrected And then you have an old covenant.

You've got a new covenant and our eschatology is gonna You know come out here so you got

Romans chapter 8 verse 22 but we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now

What was what was birthed out of the old covenant? It was the new covenant the the old died the old age the old died the old

The old died it was gone it was it was worthless as Hebrew said

And he go ahead. Well, the the new has come the new was The this life was resurrected new covenant has come

It was born out of that through Israel come Jesus Christ and then he ushered in the new covenant

Yeah, and in that same chapter, yeah in the in the resurrection from the dead is the key

You're right because he says in 22 and 23 and 24 He says for we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in pains of childbirth until now

It's what you read and not only the creation but we ourselves who have

There's that word first fruits of the Spirit we groan inwardly What is this groaning for as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons and then there's the comma

The redemption of our bodies, yes, that is the hope of the believer.

That's right. I think this is where Terminology is very important and and oftentimes

I don't say anything about this when we refer to somebody being saved Yeah, we're talking about a future event where the past tense were and thus starts the confusion

Yeah, right. I think that one of the biggest reasons why some folks

I Will say it will be dogmatic. You can't lose your salvation some folks be dogmatic that you can is based primarily on a

Idea of where they are in this timeline what you were talking about a while ago with all these instantaneous moments

You're talking about a mystery thing to some degree is because whenever eternity starts time stops or time stops you have a very hard time listing things in order because We don't have the tools to unpack eternal things, we don't understand earthly things all that good

Whenever you're talking about these kind of events, I think it's best to say especially in Romans 8 we having the first fruits of Salvation this is where you're born again

And that's that that's the word I would use to make sure that we're talking about it in proper context

We eagerly await We eagerly await Anybody I've ever met that's a

Christian that's honest with himself. I want to see Jesus Amen, I long for the day that I get to be with him and see him and I don't have to worry about this flesh

I always holding me back. I can be as close to him as he'll allow me to be and I can worship him Maybe I'll be at a sing pretty there

My my thing is is that I've grown because of the longing to be with the one that I love this much

The way the earth I think groans because they're like, let's let this thing be done Let's let this judgment be done

I the sin has had far too long to be on this earth and this wasn't what you made it for Lord You made it to be good yes, and It's because of this man that sins allowed to be on this earth

And I think that that same verbiage used in Romans 8 is that anticipation of the new creation?

Belonging to be in the presence of the master and if we're not careful if we look at it

From that same view when we say we're saved And we look at it from that past tense view

Then I think at times we may read eschatology into this where there isn't eschatology being talked about.

Is that fair? Because when I say that I'm saved I'm what I'm saying is that my faith and my hope is that Christ is everything

He says he's gonna be and it's as good as done when I get there I can call it a past tense event because when

I go before the Lord, he's already promised it He's not a man that he should lie. So whenever he tells me that I have life,

I believe him Right, and I can say it as if it's already Happened, but the truth of it is until the pearly gates slim shut behind you

You can't say saved in the past tense. You can say being saved as Paul would say later on Being born again and being made new being sanctified and being saved all the time

So it's a I think we have to be careful that we that we don't read it backwards Because as you said earlier, we're on this side of the cross and I think that we're bent to continually be thinking from a

Completed point of view Whereas we're actually still being made new. We're actually still being worked on worse

We may be justified, but God's only begun a good work in us and he's going to be faithful to complete that work

You know, so it's a it's a process That's a vacation. Yes. So so this is that's why

I read it when I see that now again I say that and I'll welcome a rebuke because I could be wrong. I say this with open hands, but There's always been my convictions towards this scripture brother

Robert. I Know that we could go on a big rabbit trail that we don't have time for on eschatology

We'll say for another time but but you were talking about a process and When I was listening to Tyler because I wanted to comment on on what he said because it was so thoughtful and it was very

Good from what I was hearing Tyler say He was talking about a process as well

You know the the beginning of the victory over death was was final complete and in full at the resurrection

But there was a process until Hell in the grave final judgment is is thrown into the lake of fire.

And so there's there's that process of Working out that Conquering of death and it made me think of and I can't remember exactly how he says it

But it reminded me of how can him when he defines The Word death in Genesis when

God tells Adam and Eve that you shall surely die. He says And maybe you guys can put it better than I can but because I can't remember exactly but he says in dying

You shall surely die die dying. You shall surely die is they didn't die shall die.

What was that dyingly? That is the Most literal the painfully literal

Hebrew is dyingly you shall die. Yeah So they didn't physically bodily died the day that they disobeyed

God it began that process they died spiritually and then it began that process and then ultimately they they died physically and So I think that we've all tied

Everything together there speaking about that process and and helping answer that question with victory and death that Jesus won on the cross and in the resurrection with Psalm 110 and 1st

Corinthians 15 So that was beautiful. I know we were to hour and five minutes already

Already and we don't have to look we don't have time to look at any more at 1st Corinthians 15. We may have to do

Its own podcast to look at 1st Corinthians 15 and and look at and maybe do another podcast and look at eschatology again

I wouldn't mind that And I want to say this the the the only reason

I said that About them being connected is because eschatology is the study of last things

And so what is the last thing? The resurrection

So that's why I made that connection there because it truly is by definition

There in the parentheses And you were spot -on when you're talking about how the resurrection touches every every other

You know theology. Yeah in of the of the New Covenant. Absolutely.

So just real quickly Because I had this on the list and I think it's important that we touch on I know

Keith Foskey I know that he's done it was a sermon or a video Some kind of lesson on this topic,

I think specifically on Lent, but just briefly let's hit this and we'll call it a night but there's some traditions that some denominations some

Practice and some will call them rituals and I'll just throw some of them out there.

You've got Holy Monday Ash Wednesday Lent And then of course

Passover is related to this holiday Palm Sunday Shrove Tuesday and Monday Thursday Hawk Tide What what

Hawk Tide? Hawk Tide So Holy Monday, so Holy Monday.

I'll run through this real quick. It's the day after Easter Sunday, right? It's a national holiday many countries, right?

So basically nobody works right on Easter Monday in medieval England people would not work on Easter Monday or the

Tuesday Either and it was called Hawk Tide H -o -c -k -t -i -d -e one word

Hawk Tide not hog Tide So there's

Holy Monday so Ash Wednesday begins

Lent, right Believe it does

Well, see you guys are in the same boat that I'm in because you know growing up the tradition that that I was brought up and we didn't practice these things either, but we'll see we'll see maybe see some of our friends or classmates and They'll have some some ash on their forehead in the shape of a crown

And and you'll see on Facebook people what they're giving up for Lent this year and so Traditionally that's what people do they give up something for Lent Leading up to Easter Sunday Ash Wednesday, I think begins

Lent Yeah, I think it's related to how When people would repent they would put on sackcloth and ashes.

So it's a repenting time Jeff something cloth.

I was just I was just thinking what well said What Jesus said to the

Pharisees, right? When you do fast Don't let it appear to me and wash your face go on about life as normal And that's it's kind of a an announcing of how holy you are

When when you you know, you put ash on your forehead and you walk around Are these things some kind of Catholic sacrament that somehow was a holdover after the

Reformation that I'm unaware of? well in the medieval period you had a

Pursuit that they called the imitation of Christ Made very big by a Thomas a campus.

It was more of the medieval mysticism thing, but they Basically, the idea was that you are closest to God when you imitate

Christ in very specific ways. So they would like Fast for 40 days because that's what

Jesus did So they would try to grow closer to the heart of Christ through doing exactly what he did

They would be homeless. They would give to the poor they would they would do these things and these are all good things These aren't automatically bad things but the what it became was that they in a sense become like Christ because the things and so that's the premise of Lent and Ash Wednesday and some of these things and John Knox came against this stuff with a fervor in the 1500s that Lent is

By definition idolatry because you can't be like Christ. You can't be who he was

Perfectly yes, and so stop adding holidays essentially to your worship

Because you want to be like Jesus You can't fill those shoes. That's right

He wrote a whole treatise on this about how Lent well, it may have been well intention at some point.

It's become another Example of papal folly Yeah, he probably is harder language than I did but The general idea was that it may have been well intention

But it quickly turned into something else and it became less about the heart of Christ That is embodied in these things and became more about the things about these are the things

I do Because I'm a Christian And so when we come to Lent and Ash Wednesday and Monday Thursday and some of these that's what we got to keep in mind

I'm regardless of whether you do Ash Wednesday or not. I don't care But what's this what's going on in the heart here because Psalm 139 says

Oh Lord thou hast searched me and know me So regardless of what's going on out here

Regardless of what's going on on the outside. God knows the heart probably better than you do And so that is that's where it matters because we will worship in spirit and truth

The Bible talks a great deal about the content of the heart that It's not good sometimes and so with these external things.

We've got to be careful Because it can very easily turn into Hollowed traditions, you know that Honestly get away from the heart of Christ because he hasn't told us to do these things

So at the end of the day, we are making stuff up and while it may be it may have good intentions and it may actually

Be something that people draw closer to Christ during Holy Week because they gave a comfort food for Lent But it's got to be motivated by the heart not the hands

Let not the mighty man boast in his mind Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom the rich man boast in his riches

But let him who boasts boast in this that he knows me. Amen Yeah, I don't

I don't think it could have been said any better than that guys I mean that was that was fantastic and you know, you were talking about Tyler how these these things are used to Try to to make us be like Christ or be more like Christ or be closer to Christ and you may be thinking and I'm afraid to use the word because I don't want to I don't want to say it wrong or the wrong word

But it made me think about Some folks that live south of us that you often see it in a parade, but they'll beat themselves

Yes, it's called self -flagellation. Yeah To join in the suffering

But but it doesn't do that and that's not what the verse is talking about and it doesn't draw closer to Christ It's that's part of that medieval practice too with the imitation of Christ.

That's what Martin Luther was doing in the monastery Yeah in a lot of ways. I think that would be an abomination for the

Lord. He took these stripes So we didn't have that's right As a father, I do things so my children don't have to I'm not pleased when

I see them do things I've done for them Right, you don't go do things for somebody and say that I've done this for you

And then you somehow think you're doing me a favor by doing something that I've already done for you. That's nonsense

Amen, that's right. And and this is the work of the

Holy Spirit. Amen. Not us Well, I appreciate you guys so much.

This was edifying to me. It was wonderful and Praise the Lord praise the

Lord for the resurrection praise the Lord for his son. I'm so thankful Big John, yes, sir.

Would you share with us the gospel and Tyler? Will you pray for us when he finishes? Absolutely We've been all over it all more all evening

Because of man's disobedience in the beginning God cursed the earth and death reigns on the earth

Even up till now to some degree to others who don't believe We've all sinned and we've all fallen short the glory of God just like Adam did in Christ And God be fully justified and rightly condemning us all to hell

But because he loved us and if for no other reason than because he loved us

He decided to go to a cross as we've said he died He took upon himself

Seeing it wasn't his That's a shame that he didn't deserve as brother.

Claus said he humbled himself to the death of a cross Willingly giving up his life

So that sin could be atoned for mm -hmm and that all those who believe in him can have that atonement

But he didn't stay in the grave. That's right in three short days That stone rolled away

My king got up out of the grave. Hey, man, and he rules to this day

Never to be touched by death again Never to be harmed by anyone again from a place of complete victory

Christ stands and he still calls to what you come But if you just believe in him that you just trust him

He would save you. He would give you a new heart with new intentions And he would bring you into the family of God by his own grace and in through faith

My prayer is that If you're watching and if you're listening and you do not know the

Lord That you surrender to him Because he's worth it. I don't want you to come to him out of any other reason than because He's worth it.

Amen and let him change you We could argue all day long different points of eschatology and argue with people who have different beliefs

Systems, but one thing we won't argue is what happens when Jesus gets hold of a man. He changes. Mm -hmm

He'll put his spirit inside of you and you'll be a new creature in Christ. You'll have a life I pray you seek after him today.

Let him change This is the gospel. Oh Lord our

Lord How majestic is thy name and all of the earth we come to you today?

Having been having been fed. Yes Having been encouraged having been challenged

Having been reminded Not just the gravity The death of your son and his resurrection but also of the great distance that he traveled

That we will be reconciled to him The reality that we can know you but also that we can be known by you

Mm -hmm That there is union and communion in your house

Because there is an empty tomb God burn that anew in our hearts in our minds on our hands

That this is where we live This is the call of Christ To go to stay to live to die

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