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You know, I never would have guessed until fairly recently that there were people

who still believed in a flat earth.

I even sometimes wondered when I began hearing of the existence of such folks,

I began wondering if these were actors, perhaps, running some kind of a scam to make a

fool out of those who are from a more conservative background, perhaps even professing

Christians.

But I found out, not only through friends and acquaintances who have had

interactions with flat earthers on the internet, but also by seeing a documentary on

Netflix called Behind the Curve.

And I said to myself, I have got to find a reputable scientist and Christian

to refute the claims of the flat earthers.

And sure enough, I discovered an individual who has been a guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio

already.

His name is Dr. Danny Faulkner, and he is a former faculty member at the University of South

Carolina in Lancaster for over 26 years, member of the Creation

Research Society, editor of the Creation Research Society Quarterly,

author of more than 100 papers in various astronomy and astrophysics journals,

and author of books including Universe by Design and The Created

Cosmos.

He's also a researcher and speaker for Answers in Genesis, and today we are going to be

addressing his book, Falling Flat, A Refutation of Flat Earth Claims.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Danny R. Faulkner.

Thank you, Chris.

It's good to be back.

Well, I know that it is very unlikely that too many people in my audience have not heard of

Answers in Genesis, but you never know, because I do have new Christians

who listen to this program on occasion, and I also have people in the audience on occasion who are

not Christians at all.

So, especially for the sake of them, why don't you let our listeners know about Answers in Genesis?

Okay, Answers in Genesis, a suburban Cincinnati

encounter and creation that

happened a

couple of

years

ago, and I've been

on the

billionthologist.

If

anybody

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Well, Dr. Faulkner, you've obviously written a book on the

flat earth claims that you are seeking to refute.

Did you get any negative feedback when you were working on this project from any of your

colleagues or people that you know and respect, who know and respect you as well, who were saying

to you, Danny, don't even do this because it's going to make you look silly that you

would even address an issue like the flat earth.

I mean, it's almost like writing a, it may seem like writing a scholarly treatise to refute

Oral Roberts' 70 -foot Jesus or however tall the

Jesus was in his vision.

But what were your colleagues saying to you when they heard that you were even writing the book?

Oh, they were very supportive, surprisingly enough.

I first

learned,

I jumped into

my colleagues at

AIG,

one by one that came back to me and said, I got the question one of the weekend, has there been a sharp

rise in inquiries of people emailing and writing

about it or

people

on the

road

encountering

it?

Now, do you think, I

mean, well,

first of all, let

me ask you,.

Do you know with certainty that any of those that were promoting

the flat earth theory, have they ever been proven, anybody of significance.

That is, have they ever been proven to be perpetuating a hoax

just to get a laugh at the expense of those that believe in this?

Or perhaps, as I said earlier, to make conservatives and perhaps even professing Christians look

like morons as liberals and leftists typically try to do.

I'm not aware that anyone's been proven to be that.

I suspect doing that, the flat earth movement as we know it came about in the

19th century.

A man named Samuel, he might've been a

guy who was, anecdotes, if you like, about that.

And then -.

Yeah, definitely.

Got it off, I'll go ahead and show the anecdote.

Have you ever known somebody who was just like to argue,

saying that obviously it's invasive, not that he was

arguing for, in a good way.

Many times people

can point, not because

there's good education, good indication of

mine.

This came from years ago on the flat earth movement before the incarnation.

Someone was like, two men were gonna

rob him.

And they said, your money or your life.

Without missing a beat, he simply shouted, most of your lives, I've

just burgled that house.

Most people could not think that quick.

I mean, he got away with both treasure, a quick wit

and a good arguer.

And he ended up making some money off of it on

the internet.

And

I'll point

out that there

are dudes in the

Bible who look foolish.

I haven't identified anybody.

Now, on the other side of the spectrum, is, or are there any serious

scientists who actually have backgrounds, legitimate backgrounds in science who

promote this and believe this?

Not one, not one at all.

There is.

You actually said something that surprised me, that the flat earth movement began in the 19th century.

I, for some reason, I don't know where I heard this, but I thought that,

that was a common view in centuries past, before Galileo and

Copernicus and so on.

Is the flat earth view something that did not arise until the 19th century?

Therein lies a

large group of

otherwise five

full

-blown

guys,

as

much

as

Augustine

believed

that

the earth

was a

globe,

and nothing about cosmos.

Can you repeat who came along?

For some reason, I didn't quite clearly hear who he said.

Tell me a robot.

So, you had many Christians at the time, not a

majority,

but any...

Well, actually, you've already said that you didn't want to mention any names.

I can mention some, but who do you want to know?

Who are the ones that revived this?

Are any of the people that are featured in the documentary on Netflix, Behind the Curve,

among those that revived this in modern times?

Well, the person I hold most responsibility, I think he's in that.

He's an American living, I believe, in Thailand.

He does like a yoga instruction there, and

better than national conventions, but he's declined.

In fact, I don't know anybody who's ever met him, but he

might not be a Christian.

I just find that I know who he is, but he

was the

one

more than...

Now, to your knowledge, is there a high percentage of

professing Christians who are unfortunately promoting this, or would

evangelical Christians be a minority in this group?

What do you know about that?

From my study, I think likely are maturity.

The arguments

that

ran those...

I mean, what is the typical theological

position or positions of these churches that espouse

a flat earth?

Is there any typical theological perspective, or are they just

very much a diverse group?

They're extremely diverse.

When I first started studying this, I've been most interested in this.

I

am hoping

it

unifies.

Do any of these people appear to be intelligent?

Do they appear to be, in regard to their theology and doctrine, biblically literate?

Are they people who have a

reasonably large vocabulary?

I mean, what's the story with what you have witnessed as far as

folks that represent churches and even begin churches that are based on us?

Well, you should never underestimate these people.

In their own lives, people met flat earth,

but maybe they've not really accomplished much in their lives.

And they reach a certain point where they are just, I'm not a

sociologist, I'm just operating my...

And I think some of these people are motivated by the fact that

they've not really done much with what they're doing.

So this is how they kind of redeem themselves.

They can stand out in the crowd and they

can vary with it on things.

And this kind of squirms into something, a form of

Gnosticist problem, that

they believe

that there is secret knowledge.

And you'll be an

initiate

along with me.

And this is the problem going back to the garden.

You know, I said to Eve, he said, you know, God knows if you eat this fruit, you will

have knowledge of both.

It says there, she thought, well, this is an appealing thing

motivating many people, particularly ones that are underachievers, at least not up to the level.

And they find a way that they can stand out and they can prove to themselves, if nobody else, that

they're smarter and alive.

Because I

have one of

my listeners,.

John and Banger Maine, who says, obviously, you know nothing about Oral Roberts'

vision of Jesus.

It's a 900 foot Jesus he saw, not a 70 foot Jesus.

Okay, I know nothing about that, so I'm not going to go there.

He was obviously referring to me, not you.

No, make that clear, that's your problem.

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But Dwayne asks something that you did sort of touch on but I don't know if you actually

addressed this specific element of his question he said why did flat earth grow so fast in the church?

I'm at the last five obligated.

I did quite a lot of

expense

on where I used to work.

My publications are out there.

Do you think a part of it.

Obviously the internet is probably the primary vehicle why it spread so

fast.

Among the reasons do you think it could be because I have met quite a number of professing Christians

that get so wrapped up in conspiracy theories.

They have this paranoia of being fooled by anyone and while

I think there is a lot of legitimacy to some conspiracy theories that are

out there and the obvious the

obvious fact that the liberal academics have become enemies

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scientific realm creationism itself.

But unfortunately these brethren or these professing Christians

they're on a rollercoaster that just won't stop with this and it just they just are buying into every

kind of conspiracy theory that exists or at least many of them.

And it's like an addiction.

Almost am I making sense here?

Yeah conspiracy we haven't gotten to that yet.

Yes and I've also found that there are certain personalities and they certainly exist

in the body of Christ.

Whether they are truly regenerate or not is always a case -by -case situation.

But you have individuals who love being a part of an elite

group who think they have secret knowledge that nobody else has like a Gnostic.

Because that's a Gnosticism again that's the attraction of conspiracy theories.

I could have mentioned that before but it's believed that there are these vast conspiracies.

Yes well Dwayne I will send your email

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When we are interviewing your authors.

We have a listener who asked two questions and he's a first -time

listener so I want to treat him as best as I can today.

One of the questions he asked you've already started to answer but perhaps you could be more in -depth

about what it is he was actually asking about.

He says Hi Mr. Orens.

And thank you so much for your in -depth and diverse in a good way shows on a

broad range of topics.

I find them edifying and interesting.

This is Ian by the way in Swansea, South Carolina and I am assuming that's

how you pronounce S -W -A -N -S -E -A Swansea or Swansea.

In light of a question recently posed by another listener to Dr. Jason Lyle

that seemed to confuse two concepts.

I was hoping Dr. Faulkner could explain the difference and similarities between Flat Earth

and geocentrism and also on a side note you mentioned that Robert St. Genes

held to a geocentric view I'm assuming that he is not a Flat Earther.

Is that correct?

I am almost 100 positive that Robert St. Genes who is a friend of mine although he is a Roman Catholic apologist

and I oppose very aggressively and fervently and vociferously many

of the key things that he believes but I have arranged theological debates with

Robert St. Genes over the years have become a good friend of his even though I disagree with him radically

on many things but he is a geocentrist and I'm almost certain he's not a Flat Earther so

could you tell us in more detail the difference between those two things?

Yeah Robert St. Genes

he had

a

universe

that does

not

change

every year

between

that

and the class

transformation

and

George.

So with

the

shift

from the geocentric model many

Flat

Earthers argue that Copernicus

introducing a

globe was widely accepted.

Yeah, I might have even been taught that Columbus originally thought he would fall off the earth in

school.

I think I heard that from...

Well, you were taught that growing up in 5th grade at a Christian school

and I got

in touch with

them our shared mythology about Columbus.

Okay, well Ian from Swansea, South Carolina's second question was

How would Dr. Faulkner recommend defending the biblical nature of a spherical

earth view to both the Christian Flat Earther and the scientific

skeptic especially with a view to being respectful and not argumentative while

presenting the truth.

Yeah, well it turns out

the

side or the

earth.

Cosmogony is clear enough.

Cosmogony refers to cosmology refers

the cosmogony is given to us.

The cosmology is not there now.

I've heard over the years over the decades

says they're referring to God.

He sits on the circle of the earth and happens thereof.

And you know they say the word it means something.

That's well the Flat Earther

that there's another

use

there

of doer and Hebrew word and they say see

I wanted to say that if it were a ball he would have used the word doer here.

So therefore this is how we

use Isaiah.

Round like

a

circle.

Yeah,

it

being

ball

it's

not

believing

all those things.

In Swansea, South Carolina.

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Now we have a serious question.

Or or I actually I guess he sent in a comment before but John and Banger Maine sent

in a question or actually it was a comment correcting my

size of Oral Roberts.

Jesus it wasn't 70 foot it was a 900 foot.

Jesus.

I wasn't going to give him a free book for that but he sent in

a very good question.

That is a follow -up of Ian's.

John and Banger Maine asks unlike the Flat Earthers who have absolutely no

scientists backing up their ridiculous claims are there

geocentrists who are accredited scientists?

Yes I've already mentioned at least one Gerardus Blau.

He has received his PhD in astronomy or maybe it's physics

I'm not sure but yes there are some scientists actually.

Yeah when I saw the trailer I've not seen the documentary but I saw the trailer on geocentrism that Roberts and Jennis

was a part of creating.

It looked like a very slick production with people that seem to be fairly intelligent who

are in the scientific realm.

So what happened was those people

that

we didn't know what

this

was about.

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Now you are getting a free copy of the book.

Give us your full mailing address in Banger Maine.

We have Lou in Sharpsburg, Georgia.

Who says would the Flat Earthers believe that the other celestial bodies Mars, Venus,

etc. are also flat or a sphere?

Oh well they first of all they would object that the other planets are anything like the

Earth.

We haven't described their cosmology at all we've briefly the

Pettit model.

It was not like any of the Flat

Earth cosmology which is underneath the Earth every

cosmology introduced by robots.

They look like bright stars to the naked eye

but

we

don't

deny that

they're a

ball at all.

It simply means they're a round disc.

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Have you come across a person that says they are a Christian and if we

do not believe the earth is flat, we are being deceived and therefore not

saved.

Have you met any flat earthers that are that rigid?

Yes.

As I mentioned earlier, I point

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don't know Christ.

Then you are making that a salvation issue and they back off.

What they generally say is not

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Get dangerously close.

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Let's see here.

We have Ted in Moundville, Alabama who says,.

I have been a big fan of the debates that Dr. Faulkner has done on young earth creationism.

He has been for a long time this old earth creationist favorite young

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I wanted to put the same question to Dr. Faulkner that I asked of Dr. Lyle last week

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Could Dr. Faulkner recommend sources on young earth creationism

and old earth creationism debates that could be readily understood

by non -scientists?

Having read a great deal of literature on both sides of this issue, my frustration has been that I do not

have the scientific training or aptitude to enable me to judge the relative merits or

demerits of each side's argument.

That's Ted in Moundville, Alabama.

Oh boy, Ted, no.

Resources from six days.

But I'm not really aware of side -by -side comparisons between the two of them.

There have been a few debates or intensive debates, but the most active one today was with Hugh Ross, who is a progressive

creationist, and both Jason Lyle and I have actually engaged in some programs who are with them before.

That would be the closest, but I don't think they're really comprehensive enough.

OK, thanks, Ted.

Then we have Phil Cessa.

I gave his full name because Phil has also been a guest on my program, and

he is the founder of a wonderful ministry in New York City called Soul Fishing Ministries.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the literal sport or recreation known as fishing.

It refers only to the spread of the gospel, and especially in

the inner city of New York.

But Phil asks, I don't know if you went over this, but where does the Flat Earthers

say a NASA space shuttle goes after it takes off and doesn't return

for months?

Wouldn't all the other nations have to keep a hush if the shuttle somehow stays above the

clouds around the world until the nets are filled?

Oh, that's his sign off.

Until the nets are filled.

Phil Cessa, director of Soul Fishing Ministries.

So you have that.

The Flat Earthers would say that the launch of a vehicle into space goes downrange.

If you look at the trail, particularly at night, you can

see the parabolic orbit goes

way up and then drops back down.

The place that drops down is well beyond the horizon.

So it lands out in the ocean from the Cape

and all the other space.

And now the Russian space program, they're all facing it.

We're faking it.

The European space program.

A few dozen nations now.

It's a vast cabal, a vast conspiracy among the heads of many different nations.

It's a short answer.

It's all been faked and they're all in on it.

They're not about to blow the whistle on each other.

And the reasons, or the at least theorized

reasons that all the governments of the Earth are doing this?

Well, some of them will, again, tell you that's the logical thing.

In times, this is part of the deception that's building.

Others would argue it's simply a control of the masses beyond the

dome that are

beyond the ice wall, is that there are other domes.

But if you knew that there's a...

And of course,.

There are those who deny that we ever landed on the moon who are not flat earthers.

Yeah, I mentioned before that this thing has all the other

conspiracies.

Yes, and my father, by the way, helped design the lunar module, which was the first

space vessel that landed on the moon.

And he, I don't think, would have been able to keep a secret like that as long as he did, if that was

all a fake thing.

Well, your father wasn't high enough in the structure of NASA.

They didn't need designing the lab when he really...

Yeah, he worked for Grumman Aerospace,.

By the way.

Let's see, we have...

I just saw another question and it disappeared.

Where are you?

Oh, here it is.

Oh, I wanted to give...

I just wanted to quick give Phil Sess' website to give him a little plug here.

Soulfishingministries .org.

Soulfishingministries .org.

Thanks a lot, Phil, for your question.

We have Grady, another faithful listener to this program and faithful financial supporter.

Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina.

Greetings, brothers.

Does Flat Earth...

Do, he should have said.

Do Flat Earth believers think that the Earth continues and has no end,

or do they think it continues to new frontiers?

I wonder if he's confusing the Earth with the Starship Enterprise.

But anyway...

As I kind of alluded to that in my previous answer to the question,

the dome over sitting around Earth is it, but in the garden, they know other...

If you could, tell us about the Bedford -level experiment in the Chicago skyline.

Okay, those are the...

In the 19th century, that was for them in the...

And

what

wrote

it

in

the

bottom,

and that was his...

And the

person

who did

these

marvelous

photographs

of seeing the

weeds

of

fizz

air in contact with the cold water,

you actually see...

Well, I'm sorry, Johnny in Queens, New York, and all the other listeners that are waiting to have their questions asked.

We've run out of time.

If you want more information on Answers in Genesis, where our guest, Danny Faulkner, is on

the team there, go to answersingenesis .org,

answersingenesis .org.

I want to thank you so much, Dr. Faulkner, for being our guest today, and I look forward to your many returns to Iron

Trip and Zion Radio.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater savior than you are a sinner.