Dividing Line from Southern California

Southern Baptist Convention, Social Justice, and Religious Liberty

Welcome to the dividing line. I'm coming to you from the studio where for the past two days now we have been recording. So far, I don't know how many we've done. I Think we're up near a hundred at least I think somewhere around there What do we call them they're not really teaching videos this is the the living waters studio and so Easy and and Mark Spence have been taking different duties in asking well hundreds of questions were submitted initially like for example What is the Masoretic text and is it important Texas acceptance majority text critical text Codex Vatican and Sinaiticus Septuagint Latin Vulgate Dead Sea Scrolls.

Those are some last ones. We were we were working on. But we looked at the issue of the Trinity and all sorts of stuff like that and so we're doing a lot of stuff shall we say and It's I'll be honest with you it's some of the hardest work you'll ever do.

Because even if I had had time to prepare I generally don't do that. I generally go off top my head and so I'm answering these questions Off the top of my head and so That makes it more real, I guess in in one sense, but They're bringing a bunch of people in and the idea is to have all of this available online.

So eventually you will be able to see all of this not quite. Well, actually pretty much from this perspective now that I'm looking at the cameras. This is pretty much What my perspective looks like even though it would be from higher ups.

So not quite that direction, but anyway it's better than the attempt we made from the Hotel up in Flagstaff couple weeks ago so hopefully it will not turn into a max headroom thing and we'll be able to To get through this, but I didn't want an entire week to go by Without remaining in contact with with everybody.

And of course, there's a lot of stuff going on right now. I have not Had the time To Listen to everything I would like to listen to. I was just listening to a portion of JD Greer's Presentation that dr. Robert Gagnon appear responded to yesterday and so I Have just seen stuff Will take eight ten minute breaks every hour or so.

And so I'd look at my phone and I would see stuff going on Regarding the Southern Baptist Convention meeting and a resolution that is being put on the floor that basically praises critical theory and intersectionality as a Insufficient but important tool and so on and so forth and there's stuff going on regarding that.

I I don't know the details and things like that, but I did get to listen to the key portion of JD Greer's presentation and I Think one of the problems we're going to be facing to be honest with you is We recognize that it is inappropriate on one level to be partisan politicians, I Think if if you think of the Southern Baptist Convention, I think you can think of one particular church That is pretty well known for being partisan.

And you know filling the the sanctuary with with American flags and And stuff like that, and I think most of us do not want to do not want to be there. At the same time I think one of the challenges that we have is There is a situation that we are facing that is directly related to religious liberty religious freedom and a fundamental assault upon the Christian worldview.

That is coming from one political party that is enshrining in its party platform the fundamental denial of The central aspects of a Christian worldview and What I'm hearing and what I heard in JD Greer's presentation was a very imbalanced attempt.

To say that both parties are doing the same thing in different ways. And when I say When I say that in essence What I heard him saying is that Sure, we may have abortion. He could have been the list could have gone on and on not just abortion but infanticide.

We have genetic engineering. We have we have abortion as a sacrament of a religion that is that is being presented to us in the Democratic Party and I think Democratic I think they need to. If there were really truth and advertising it would it would be the Socialist Party because that's really what we have going on there.

But we we likewise have the the entire LGBTQ Spectrum and we we have the support for the Equality Act, which is the end of Constitutional government. It's the end of the freedoms of the Bill of Rights it is The punishment of any kind of Christian speech in the United States.

This this past the house dumb the Democrat dominated house. We have to recognize this and the the homosexual profaning of marriage the issue of transgenderism the insanity that flows from from forced agreement and celebration.

The destruction of all women's privacy women's sports. This level of cultural insanity is coming from one side. To attempt to balance that by talking about immigrants and the poor doesn't work. It doesn't work for many reasons.

This nation has one of the most generous immigration policies of any Industrialized nation in the world. We're not talking about immigrants. So we're not talking about how to treat immigrants. We're talking about an invasion.

We're talking about the destruction of borders. And when you destroy the borders of a nation you destroy the ability to hold that nation accountable for God. You destroy the ability to have law you have destroyed the ability to have order.

Destroy the ability to have any kind of social cohesion so this is JD Greer has capitulated to the language war and has given in to the redefining of terms. So that he uses the term immigrant. And of course you you have the ERLC involved with the immigration table and all the rest that type stuff.

So it's it's the acceptance of leftist jargon that does not actually represent what we're talking. What should be being discussed from a Christian perspective at all, that's what's extremely troubling he does not seem to see the level to which The LGBTQ people will go and to which these Soros dominated Open borders people will go to not only split but to then utilize religious people to abuse the language.

To take biblical categories about caring for the poor and transfer that into the kind of welfare state that is based upon theft that the left wants to present that is that is an abuse of the Bible and an abusive language and Here we're we're getting it from the president of the Southern Baptist Convention.

It is It is an amazing thing to observe how quickly This has taken place how a I I I Can't get away from saying that's that Somehow a message went out a little over a year ago at the MLK 50 thing. That now's the time launch go.

Whatever your particular part in this Of this entire Crusade is now's the time to go because something Happened at that point in time and we are now seeing it and we're seeing it in the Southern Baptist Convention we're seeing it in the attempts of people to get leaders to answer meaningful questions this is all this is all going on at the same time and I Do not believe that the Southern Baptist Convention is the be-all and end-all of all things, but it is a bellwether it is.

We have seen so many denominations go straight down the the social justice path into irrelevancy into liberalism heresy a denial of the gospel and everything else and We are seeing the full-on attempt to bring this on within the Southern Baptist Convention as well.

It's right right in front of us. And so that's why I'm I I keep saying we are in a brief hiatus right now where there is a a very small pause Produced by the current situation the government where the government can't seem to do anything.

Actually, it's non-functional fundamentally. That will end. It will end either in at the end of 2020 beginning of 20 actually in 2021 or in 2025 and so I Don't know what the answer to all of that is.

All I know is that all of us need to be thinking very very very seriously about how we are going to handle The radical change that is that is coming our direction and it and it will be very much a radical change and so to see these things and to to recognize how the text of Scripture is being utilized in a Ahistorical not not not a historical as in no one's ever done this before.

But a historical as in outside the context of these Bible believing denominations we you've seen People do this many times in the past and we've seen the results. But it's happening again. So evidently we've gotten to a point where no one cares any longer That this is that it's too obvious.

You can look back in history. You can see with it. Well, no one's looking back in history who who knows about About history who cares about this any longer. This is what's happening right in front of us.

It is it is an amazing thing to observe and We have to we have to sound the sound the alarm and so I'm not sure Last the past couple of years we've had some we had Tom Buck call in and sort of give a a Report he's not able to do that today.

He's actually on the floor and and Things are going on and that's a resolution that In in one way it's trying to say critical theory and Intersectionality and stuff is insufficient. So it sounds like it's it's against it, but it actually ends up praising it in some ways as well.

That's being dealt with and so, you know, just pray for those who are seeking to In some way hold the line there in in the Southern Baps Convention because they are like those in the PCA OPC and everyplace else that are likewise attempting to hold the line and it's it's challenging thing so We are going to Try to connect with you.

And so we're actually going to open the phone lines at 877 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 we did this before and It seemed to work rather. Well, we'll find out it may be a little bit challenging because But I think I've got a pretty solid connection here I'm in a really good context in a sound studio.

So it's easier than being on hotel Wi-Fi. That's for sure should be more effective. Right as I got started something changed and there's a buzz and a hum now and the speakers above me. But I don't know sure if you can hear that or not, but that's not gonna not gonna harm anything.

But as I said for those you just joining we are on the sound stage at Living Waters Recomforts ministry here in California and this is my second day here and we are recording literally hundreds of videos On all sorts of topics.

I've obviously been dragging it, you know we did stuff on the Trinity and apologetics and all that like I said, but I've sort of been dragging in issues regarding text and Manuscripts and we're just talking about Sinaiticus and Vaticanus and all sorts of neat fun stuff and the relationship between Vaticanus and p75 so we're doing some some stuff.

No one else is probably doing just for the fun of it and So far everyone has seemed to think that that was pretty cool. Anyways, so but we'll open up the the phones and you can participate with us I know it's a little bit short notice, but eight seven seven seven five three three, three, four one eight seven seven Seven five three three three four one is the phone number now some of you May be aware of the fact That there's been a little something going on on social media and Twitter and Facebook.

I Didn't know about it when it first started But I guess you can do these polls on Facebook. I don't think I've ever created a poll on Facebook but a Poll was was started that created a bracket of 32 webcasts and you had to vote for your favorite webcasts and whoever they were put up against and pretty early on I Had to go the program you're watching right now had to go up against Apology Radio and that was right after Jeff Durbin had a medical issue last week and So much too much to my surprise he utilized that to his best ability to try to get votes when when apology radio and dividing line Went up against each other.

He was trying to do the sympathy thing Talked about you know, his bandages and how many shots he had gotten and and all the rest of this stuff it was it was like I said, I I've kept that to my hard drive for future use and reference and historical value and study and things like that but the dividing line got past our apology radio and What's sort of cool to me is That you had the dividing line apology radio Sheologians and cultish and we're all related to one another basically and in one way or the other three of those four are produced in the apology radio studios and so That was that was neat cultish almost took out white horse in good job guys but was up, you know, the white horse in has been around forever and In the last round Dividing line took out the bar guys.

I love the bar guys but we're all now in the final and that is me and Dividing line and sheologians are in the final and so it's not just it's not just me and summer. It's summer and joy and you know good old riches back there and people have been talking about the rich cam and stuff like that so it's not just us, but It should be good old fun.

And this one the the dividing line apology a radio thing produced all sorts of funny means and And people were doing funny stuff. And like I said, Jeff's video is is classic. But unfortunately, not all of the encounters have been overly friendly and I was I've been a little taken aback by just the level of Nastiness that has been launched by certain people out there in in the internet now I We get so much nastiness every day that it's sort of like it's just another day on the internet When people slander you and accuse you of being a heretic and That's just that's just waking up as me these days but it's it's a little bit different when it's aimed at your friends or your daughter or your daughter's friends and and and things like that and It certainly highlighted the fact that the production of private little groups Little bunkers shall we say all over the internet seems to very very very much Open up the possibilities of slander and gossip.

And I think because of the connectivity that we have With one another In those in those realms, but then the anonymity you're not looking at someone in the eye you know what you type just sort of seems to go away someplace and It seems to create a context where biblical commands relating to language and honesty and speech and stuff like that that all seems to go bye-bye it seems to go away and It has been educational it certainly has been has exposed The fact that there there are people who find it easy to remain imbalanced While on the internet real life seems to hit you from multiple different laying angles.

And so it sort of helps to balance you out. But Not not on the internet you can you can you can go into the echo chamber and just hear the echo chamber and So that has sort of been shown in some of the stuff that was going on and and people trying to you know get other people involved in the and the voting and all the rest that kind of stuff and It's Educational but I would say to some of you out there who just Have lost your balance in your in your animosity towards certain people you really I really wonder if you if you take that kind of bitterness into the fellowship of your church or if you even are involved in a fellowship church these days That's a that's a sad thing to observe.

So anyways, I guess the final vote is tomorrow and I will be here Working. We've got a roundtable to do in the afternoon. I think brother Ramos is going to be joining us Amelia Ramos and we're gonna be recording stuff here and I'm just not gonna be able to be involved with all the fun.

They'll be going on I did, you know post what I thought was a edifying and useful verse this morning to be a guidance for people in this matter and that is You know children You know honor your father and your mother.

That's a that's a biblical principle that I think we should that we should we should follow because it's first command with promise and It remains valid, you know and so You know some some people respond by saying you shall not provoke your children to wrath, but there's nothing I'm not provoking anyone anyone to wrath I'm just just saying, you know you might want to honor your your father and your mother and that type of thing and and We all need to be good Christians about about all of this.

So The memes are great. There is this one really really funny meme Of this guy standing in like a tuxedo type thing and then there's this really creepy guy creeping up on him and they One was the dividing line.

The creepy guy was sheologians creeping up on him and stuff. I Imagine there's gonna be some some great Great memes out there. I guess someone put up a mean where I was Jason Bourne and now it's called the white supremacy.

Because it's it's me. And of course summers maiden name was white and then people got all upset about that because of the color you can't look when when people think that that Songs like white Christmas or movies like white Christmas are part of you know, racism and stuff like that.

What can I say I guess I'm just got to change my last name or something because you can't you can't reason to focus on that kind of. That's just sort of how it goes but tomorrow should be interesting and so let's just let let's just let the Longest running program with Since Since we started the dividing line before some was born.

The First Caller on SBC Drift and Conservative Churches Leaving

So anyways, there you go All right, we're gonna we're gonna try to get some of these phone calls. I will admit I'm I've been here since 7 30 this morning. It's 3 30 in the afternoon. I have Talked on I don't know how many different subjects so I'm sort of brain dead, but we wanted to connect up with folks.

And so we're doing doing the best we can and this is the second day. I've done it. So got one more day Tomorrow that's gonna be it's gonna be tough. So let's take some of the phone calls and see if this is even gonna work.

If it doesn't then who knows what but let's talk with Blake in San Diego. Hi Blake.

Hey, dr. White, it's an honor and a privilege to talk to you. Ever since I watched your debate with dr. Straub bridge that is totally convinced me that I am a reformed Baptist at heart. Okay. So this is my question so I I go to actually a Southern Baptist Church and.

And they don't embrace, you know the social justice and all that but. So to really not take up too much of your time because I know you guys are on time schedule and everything. So. Do you believe that some of the church some of the churches that are under the umbrella of you know, Southern Baptist Church.

Do you think it would be possible that some of those churches would actually leave the Southern Baptist? You know Association because of the whole social justice thing or do you think they are just you know?

So to see if that they're that they're gonna just stay You know with the SPC. I wanted to get your thoughts on that. Well, I.

Would I would like to be? Optimistic I'd like to think that There will be people who will stand up and take notice and Educate themselves and provide a meaningful Response to the influx of an unbiblical definition of justice and worldview categories that would include critical theory and intersectionality and and open borders and and the destruction of meaningful societal Norms and things like that.

I would like to think That that would take place but At the same time I see that certain high positions within the convention have already been taken over By individuals who clearly have no no desire or interest in leaving they're gonna continue to use those places as mechanisms of exerting their authority and So who would be leaving would be the Congregations that do not have any desire to donate to the cooperative program when those cooperative program funds or the International Mission Board funds are going to be used to promote social justice causes and the like or used to promote the ERLC if the RLC continues to function as a social justice mechanism of the woke church and So I would think that what they'd be losing are their Conservative congregations.

The problems with that then is that that only accelerates the process within the SBC of Liberalizing the the boards of the seminaries and hence Increasing the speed at which those seminaries then begin to hire more and more Professors who are to the left and and basically see the undoing of the conservative resurgence in a relatively short period of time and And doing it in a way that I don't think was ever expected I don't think that the direction of the flow the direction of the societal energy.

I don't think that was really something that was in the minds of Of most of the conservatives I think they didn't see this coming in the way that it's it's entering into the the convention. So I I'd like to be optimistic and hope for that, but I'll be honest with you.

I don't I don't see it right now and Just listening to dr. Greer's presentation And seeing other material from what's going on at At the convention it seems like wokeness is the the flavor of the day there in At the SPC's so that does not bode well for the future.

Yes, yeah, I just I don't have much hope for the SPC as well and Lord willing by God's sovereign grace that they just get delivered from the social justice move it and go right back to the gospel. Well, you know.

It could result in in the founding of a yet another. I mean Baptists are good at founding new denominations. They certainly have a lot of experience in doing it. So You could end up with a new association of solid churches that would try to mirror things.

I don't know. I I don't know. I just know that right now there seems to be a whole lot of openness going on and This is a fairly new development. In that context, it's not a fairly new development. You can hear the same kind of rhetoric.

In liberal denominations have gone down the the wrong path 20 30 years ago. It's the same subject same topic same game plan all the way along. It's just now the Southern Baptist turn. So anyway, Blake.

Thank you. Hopefully it's a little bit cooler in San Diego that is here in LA. It's pretty warm.

So no, not really.

Well, it's supposed to cool down over the next few days. So I hopefully tomorrow would be at least a little bit nicer and it's been it was like a hundred and six yesterday. It was ridiculous. So I get to go home.

Yeah. Anyways, all right. Thanks for your call. Yeah, thank you for talking. All right. God bless. Thank you. Okay, let's. Hmm. Not sure if my brain is up to this, but we'll try it. Let's talk to to Brian about superlapsarianism, hi Brian.

Supralapsarianism, Equal Ultimacy, and Modified Superlapsarian Views

Hi, dr. White, thank you for taking my call. Yes, sir I have just had a question over the years as I have Engaged your materials and you have been quite clear. And everything that I have seen in distancing yourself from the view called equal ultimacy that God's work of reprobation is exactly the same as his work of election and salvation and.

From from my study on the matter, it seems as though one can be a superlapsarian without Holding to equal ultimacy and I was just curious and perhaps it's been scaring me in the face all along. But I've never seen you address the issue of infra versus supra and where you stand on that and how you understand that in relation to equal ultimacy and.

So I just thought I might give you a call and ask you today since you were taking some calls. Yeah, well.

A lot of people Don't understand the the issue of lapsarianism. It has to do with the logical Relationship of certain elements of the decree of God and specifically where the fall of man is to be placed within the context of the decrees of God and so There is a sense in which it is an artificial controversy because we can't really Push ourselves into the counsel of God and experience the logical order of his thoughts and And especially in in answering questions such as does God Engage in election in light of the fallenness of man or Is election prior to the fallenness of man in the and it's not even an experience.

It's not really even a logical order. It's it's It's just simply in the reasoning of God that I'm not at times, I'm not sure of the relevance of it other than it helps us to Categorize things and I have a feeling that we might end up getting to to heaven and realizing it was a complete waste of time.

Tendencies Tendencies over time for in for lapsarian and super lapsarian that the tendencies toward in for lapsarian has been away from a continued emphasis upon election toward a more Man-centered perspective and super lapsarian people would say has been a tendency toward hyper-calvinism and a loss of emphasis upon personal responsibility and so obviously in each one there has to be the the recognition of Biblical balance and a desire to remain to maintain that biblical balance.

And so what I have said a number of times in the past and I don't I'm only on one screen here and I didn't have time to look it up. But there is a very I think useful discussion of this matter with a modified super lapsarian Discussion by Robert Raymond in his new systematic theology.

Yeah, I think it does a good job in In the modified form of making sure to maintain the balance that keeps super lapsarianism from flowing off into The radicalized forms that it ended up taking in Dutch theology and in actually in the experience of some in The Netherlands even even to this day I've threatened and just haven't gotten around doing it just simply because it's a matter of time, but I have I Have said that I'm going to do a discussion titled against Calvinism.

To focus upon what I encountered when I was in Amsterdam and then and a little bit farther out in in the Netherlands and the fact that there are in the Bible Belt there so many churches where reformed churches where only a tiny percentage of The congregation partakes in the Lord's Supper because of a complete lack of any grounding for a Confidence that one has been accepted in Christ.

You don't you don't partake of the supper in their minds if you do not have an a an issue of assurance. If you're not assured of your relationship with God, and so even the elders Will not partake Because they believe it to be a presumptuous thing to assume that you can have That level of assurances to partake of the supper.

I mean, this is this is a radicalized corruption of The Doctrine of the supper. You don't see Calvin doing this. You see Calvin guarding the table. You see Calvin being willing to stand before people with swords to guard the table.

But it had nothing to do with what it is mutated into in the in the Netherlands. So I've been thinking about doing something like that. So if you seemed familiar with with Raymond's work and I It's been I'll be honest with you It's been a few years now since I worked through it and took a look at it.

I have it in a file somewhere I don't have time to look for it on my computer right now. But if you are familiar with it, I think you might find his modified Listing because he goes through the info and the super and then says I think this would be the better way to put it I think that's that tends to be a useful.

Illuminating discussion. Yes, sir, well that that's that's helpful and I appreciate it. And I know certainly that you are busy and so Who am I to to make recommendations, but I would certainly love to see something like that presentation.

You just mentioned and I know you've been doing some stuff on the Lord's Supper with Apologia recently. And oh, yeah, it seems like that was fit. But obviously that's that's between you and the Lord, but I know that I want to see that if you ever got the time.

Oh, yeah, I definitely want to do it it but it is the type of thing that would take More preparation than I normally have time for right now unless it's on a subject That I'm already dealing with but yeah, I'm definitely to keep in mind.

I want to I want to do it because It is an important thing. So thank you very much for your call. All right. God bless. Thanks. Uh-huh let's talk to Brent's in Wisconsin, I Brent.

Joshua 7, Deuteronomy 24:16, and Ezekiel 18 on Corporate and Individual Responsibility

Well, dr. White just first off just thank you for your ministry. It's been extreme blessing for me over the years and also especially towards your honest engagement with Roman Catholics. Now you're one of the few apologists who actually dare to touch that subject and having come from a Roman Catholic background prior to becoming Christian I really appreciate that you do that with kindness and respect.

Yeah, but at the same time they hold to truth so. So guess my question is just basically it's Old Testament theology mainly just kind of harmonization Basically has to do Joshua chapter 7 in a vacant.

And I guess kind of brought up sort of in a like the social justice discussion just this kind of was brought up to me and guess how to Reconcile Joshua chapter 7 with kind of the passages on individual responsibility like in Deuteronomy where it's like Deuteronomy 24 16 that father should not be put to death for their sons but son to be put to death for their fathers and then similar Passage, you know like Ezekiel chapter 18.

That's my question. Oh, yeah.

Well, what you what you have in the issue of Aiken is federal headship a basic Understanding in Old Testament reality that there is a Connection in in the families. In fact, that's how the land was passed down from family family.

That's why you have the Levitical law In regards to raising up seed to your brother and. And the whole nine yards what you're talking about in the other places is specifically. Well, at least one of the many ways that I heard you I was still looking at Joshua 7 you gave the other text but is a the Repetition of a proverb amongst the people that kept them from repenting at the Prophetic message.

I think I guess one was from Deuteronomy. What was what was the context of the Deuteronomy one? Deuteronomy.

16 which father should not be put to death for their sons nor self sons be put to death for their fathers.

Everyone should be put to death for his own sin. Okay. Yeah, that was that's that's part of the law code that is specifically prohibiting For example Kings to Push off their Or people with with authority or power to push off their punishment upon somebody else.

And I think that that needs to be recognized that's part of the Deuteronomic law code it is not. Some people have used that for example Jewish apologists will use that to say that you could not have something along the lines of Substitutionary atonement that is voluntarily undertaken by the Sun or something like that and the one in Ezekiel Is talking about the the proverb the fathers ate the grapes and the children's teeth have been set on edge which was being used by the people as a mechanism for Avoiding the prophetic call to repentance.

They're saying hey, it doesn't matter whether we repent ourselves or not. We're being punished for our father's sins. And so we can just continue on and not heed the call to repentance because our teeth have been set on edge by what somebody else has done and the prophets were saying no and through the prophets said this this Will not be repeated amongst my people any any longer.

So the the the difference between the Deuteronomic text and the law code that is Laid out there. Is that it is prohibiting? The transfer of punishment Inappropriately based upon having certain Second thank you having certain power and authority to be able to do that and the other is talking about the fact that God deals with his people in a in a federal fashion and so when the people of Israel Go against AI They are they are going they are going as a a covenanted people and so Aiken's sin is In a different context than the law code.

This was not a situation where you had Well, just one of the standard violations. After something like that Aiken is representing Israel and Israel's God in a covenanted relationship and So when he does when he commits high-handed sin he is doing so in a context outside of the what would be brought before the judges or something like that because And this did come up in a question here on on the program that we're doing and the recording that we're doing yesterday and that is God is using Israel to bring judgment against the pagan peoples.

They are they are functioning in an almost priestly fashion at this point in bringing judgment against the pagan peoples and so there is a There is a special holiness that is involved and a special representation That is involved In that particular context, which is what brings the federal issue in and it hasn't what it has to do is with the holiness of the people and so the federal headship part is is the removal of that kind of pollution from the the people on the land.

And that's what's represented there. It's not it's not an issue of Simple personal responsibility for seal and stealing a sheep in this situation. It's the entire people's responsibility To be holy unto the Lord and to be utilized by him and in the fashion They're being utilized.

So I think that's where the the difference would be found in in what happens with Aiken and the The fact that you have he and his family and his doggies and kitties and so on so forth Who are stoned this is a this is a representation of the removal of evil from what's supposed to be a holy people who are supposed to be functioning as priests unto God in essence in being used to bring punishment upon Not the Gentiles, but on the pagan people.

I think that's what provides the different context because Unless I'm in error and I could be I think that's the only example we have of that. And it was a unique situation in Israel's history in Going into the land and and the calling that was hers at that particular point in time.

So that's where I would see the difference.

Between those texts. I appreciate appreciate your time and Just to give you a little bit of encouragement basically trying to introduce my local church to basically your material about textual criticism is I'm a millennial who's read the unabridged version of the gulag archipelago.

So I I don't yeah, I do not support What I guess a lot of a lot of my peers Reading for so anyway. Oh, yeah.

Keep trying. Especially over the next couple years. It's gonna be it's gonna be a challenge for you. But how many pages is the unabridged edition? Oh the unabridged edition.

It was well over a thousand. It's like dragging your soul over broken glass.

Now was that was that was that reading the actual text or was that a it was an audio book. I.

Read the actual text. I got all three volumes in my bookshelf. There you go. That looks good on the shelf.

Eventually run out of space on the shelves. But anyways, hey Brent, thank you your call All right. Take care. God bless. Yeah, let's just take Jonathan will wrap stuff up because like I said, I've been here all day long and My brain starting to ooze out of my ears, so let's Let's talk to Jonathan in Texas.

First Corinthians 14 and Sign Gifts

Hi Jonathan. Hello, Jonathan and Jonathan got a sign from God that That he had to go someplace else now we may have just made him hold so long that That he dropped off but Jonathan wanted to know about first Corinthians 14 and sign gifts.

I would have gotten everybody excited But that's that's okay. No, I appreciate the the phone calls we've gotten today and The fact that Probably a lot of folks are focused upon what's going on in in the SPC right now.

I fully understand that I Think I put a note out on Facebook at the beginning of the week. Let's let's pray for the SPC. By the way, I I have not had time again this When we're here, we're focused and I've got a drive elsewhere I only got to start listening to a very short portion of the Tom Askell Dwight McKissick debate that took place I've had people asking me.