May 7, 2020 Show with Dr. Gregory Reynolds and Dr. Bill Shishko on “Salvation, Incarnation, & Communication: The Importance of Physical Presence in the Media Ecology of the Church”

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Salvation, Incarnation, and Communication in the Church’s Media Ecology

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron Radio .com this is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Thursday on this seventh day of May 2020 and I am thrilled beyond words to have Two excellent guests return to the program and although each of them have been on before this is the first time they are on together.

On this show, which makes it even more exciting to me. We have dr. Gregory Reynolds and pastor Bill Shishko on the program today. Dr. Gregory Reynolds is a former church planter and pastor in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church Denomination and current editor for ordained servant a journal for church officers Whose doctoral dissertation the word is worth a thousand pictures preaching in an electronic age was published and also pastor Bill Shishko who is the pastor at the Haven in Deer Park, Long Island, New York a congregation of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church and Pastor Bill is probably most well known for pastoring the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square.

Previously and I believe pastor Bill was was it over 30 years.

35 years. 35 years. Wow a little bit longer than you are old. I.

Wish that was true, but. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome Dr. Greg Reynolds and pastor Bill Shishko back to iron sharpens iron. And today we are addressing a very Unique theme and one that I think is very important and should be quite fascinating and controversial.

Salvation incarnation and communication. The importance of physical presence in the media. Ecology of the church and. Before we go into that major theme Dr. Reynolds if you could go into a brief Summary of what your book the word is worth a thousand pictures.

Preaching in the electronic age is all about which as I said before is your published doctoral dissertation.

Have a title for that one yet and. Yeah, it's the voice. Well, is this is the word is worth a thousand pictures still in print. Yes, it is so. It's probably need a mobile media so the smartphone of the iPad.

Yeah, I was amazed when I was looking at my old website for iron sharpens iron radio when I was broadcasting out of New York and Found out how many years ago. I interviewed you on that program. I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 years ago or more.

Yeah. By the way, I don't know if you even know this. Although I know you remember the conference quite well, I'm sure.

But I had the privilege. While you were still? The pastor at the Westchester Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

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Had the privilege of hearing and seeing one of my heroes of the faith John Gerstner. Conduct the conference on Jonathan Edwards there. Oh, yes.

Yes, I was and I recall at least on several occasions I was the only one in the building laughing at John Gerstner's jokes.

Now briefly, let us know about the ordained servant.

Well, our dance servant is something that was started by GI in fact next year and then I was asked once. Yeah, and I had also one of the things that we'd never done before. I had a fascinating interview with Danny Olinger.

Back in the old days when we were broadcasting in of New York on WNYG and WGBB on Gerhardus Voss. Oh.

Yes, he is an expert and he has a he has a biography.

Well, if anybody wants more information on the ordained servant go to OPC org and click resources and then click Periodicals and I'm sure we'll be announcing that again later on now. I'd like to formally introduce My dear friend one of my oldest friends after having been born from above by the grace and mercy of Christ pastor Bill Shishko and Pastor Bill tell us a little bit about the Haven for the sake of those in our audience Who have not yet heard you on the program or they may just have a fuzzy memory.

We rent the county. Well, I would personally love to visit there. Have not yet had the opportunity but looking forward to it.

Of course, I have had the privilege many times to visit the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square when you were still there. And it was always a joy to be there. Well, let me Give our email address for our listeners.

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If you could Greg. Give us a brief introduction to media Ecology and I've got to admit that's the first time I recall ever hearing that phrase before. As when I was going over the the notes for today's program.

Yes, that's many different various the automobile. So pastor bill.

If you could. Tell us about the importance of the physical presence of.

The Meaning of Worship, Fellowship, and Physical Presence

In the media ecology of the church. Yeah, I remember James Montgomery Boyce first introduced that book to me. Yeah. Yeah, dr. Reynolds can. Amen. Essential among you I always love to tell. Well, we actually do have an anonymous.

An anonymous listener was sent in an email and This anonymous listener says Dr. Reynolds and pastor Shishko. I Fear that during this pandemic when we are banned from actually physically Attending the corporate public gathering of the brothers and sisters in Christ for worship.

That while we either listen to recordings of our pastor or watch a live streaming program visually. That although we are singing and we are hearing the word preached. That this is not truly Fellowship and it is not technically truly.

Worship, am I correct on this. A minister came to them on Sunday and said that friend actually did on that.

Well.

Best bill. Yes.

Yeah. In fact, it was quite it was quite fascinating the.

In-depth insight that Neil Postman had even though he was a secular Jew from what I recall.

That's right. Wow. Well, we have to go to our first break right now.

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Yes, thank you, Chris. It's something that I had to that. Our directive for public worship in the Orthodox Presidency and.

Virtual Church, Family Worship, and the Limits of Livestreaming

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