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Where can you watch the documentary, Babies Are Still Murdered Here? If someone walks away from the faith, do they also walk away from the church?

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And why is Jesus only the lamb of God when Israel also sacrificed goats? The answer's when we understand the text.

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This is When We Understand The Text, a daily podcast in the word of Christ. For the grass withers and the flower falls, but the word of the

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Lord remains forever. Tell your friends about our website, www .tt .com.

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Here once again is Pastor Gabe. Thank you, Becky. You're welcome. This is the Friday edition of the broadcast and you can submit questions to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com.

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Here, let me adjust your mic for you. Is there a problem? Oh, you can really hear me now, can't you?

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Yeah, there you go. Hello. Because she's all bundled in her blanket over here. I can't scooch any closer.

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And doesn't want to get out of her blanket to move her mic in front of her. I'm cold. I don't know about y 'all out there, but I don't do well in the cold.

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I'd rather be hibernating. Well, don't bounce. You're knocking the thing here.

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It is 24 degrees at the time of our recording. Burr, that's Fahrenheit.

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Yeah, right. I guess I have to remember that. Not all of our listeners use

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Fahrenheit. Right, that is 24 degrees Fahrenheit. So below zero

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Celsius. Is Celsius metric? Do we call that metric? I don't. We don't call that metric, right?

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Yeah, so Fahrenheit and Celsius aren't like English in metric, right?

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No. Metric is just like ruler, like inches, distance. Centimeters, kilometers.

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Centimeters versus inches. Right. Meters versus yards. Right. That's metric.

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Right. So Celsius doesn't count as metric. No, and according to some of the world, we say it wrong too.

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It's, oh, like Calcius? No, like Celsius. Celsius. Or something like that. I don't know.

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All right. Anyway. We're gonna get some emails now. We are. Well, over here. Enlighten us. Over here across the pond.

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Right? So yeah. Once again, if you want to correct us on our understanding of measurements and units, you can send those emails to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com.

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Something we have to start with plugging today that we keep talking about every week and we always forget.

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Okay. But listen in to the Just Thinking podcast. Yes, they're awesome.

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We had the chance to meet these guys. Well, I've seen Virgil several times. Right. And we ran into each other at G3 for sure.

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And it was at that G3 that we attended. It was right after Daryl Harrison had moved from Atlanta to California.

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Right. And G3 is right there in Atlanta. Right. So we didn't get the chance to meet Mr. Harrison, but Virgil was there.

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And then they met at Truth Matters. I didn't realize the two of them had never met before. Never. So they met for the first time at the

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Truth Matters Conference. How cool is that? Which was also the same time we met Daryl at Truth Matters. That's right.

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But they do a great podcast. He was very popular. Yeah. They do a great podcast. One of the best podcasts on the web.

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Definitely. So check out Just Thinking also put together by The Bar Network, Biblical and Reformed.

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And thanks to Dwayne for all the work that he does there over at The Bar. All right, now we finally got our

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Just Thinking plug in there. Great job guys. Here we also wanna start out giving a plug to the new documentary film,

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Babies Are Still Murdered Here. This is the followup to the documentary,

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Babies Are Murdered Here. Okay. It's put together by Apologia Studios. Marcus Pittman is the filmmaker behind it.

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Did a wonderful job. I had the chance to watch it this week. I didn't realize it came out on November 1st.

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So I was even a little bit late on finally pulling up the documentary and watching it.

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But it really, it not only exposes the horrors of the things that happen in the abortion movement, which

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I would think a lot of us are already familiar with that. If you call yourself pro -life or you are for the defense of the unborn, then you already know how horrible the whole abortion industry is.

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But one of the things that this documentary really kind of exposes is that the pro -life movement really is not doing anything to help save baby's lives.

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Right. And when I'm talking about the thing that we call pro -life, that you've got all these politicians that'll call themselves pro -life.

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It's basically pro -life versus what would be termed abolitionism. Okay. Abolitionism is we are for the complete abolishment of abortion.

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Okay. Like not incrementally, but right now, we need to end it today, which is why

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Apologia Studios has also put together End Abortion Now. Okay. Between abolitionism and the pro -life movement.

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Pro -life is really doing more to hinder the process of actually ending abortion than what they're doing to end abortion.

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How do you mean? Well, let me just give you one example right offhand and you'll see it in the documentary. There was a bill earlier this year in the state of Texas that would have,

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I think this was just back in August even, would have ended abortion. This is what they were trying to do in the state of Texas.

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They wanted to make abortion illegal. Life begins at conception. Okay. And pro -lifers were blocking the passage of that bill, including

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Abby Johnson. Remember this film? Oh, right. Unplanned, which is about Abby Johnson's story.

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Okay. Abby Johnson is opposed to any kind of legislation that would make abortion a crime.

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And therefore a woman who gets an abortion would also be tried for a crime because she's killing her child.

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The pro -life side of things does not like those bills that want to actually make abortion illegal.

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So they're trying to do this incremental thing to have it steadily, you know,

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I don't even understand how it - Like not the hip thing to do anymore kind of thing? Like, what do you mean hip thing to do?

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Like right now it's a fad, if you will, for in some circles. I mean, pro -life is kind of a fad.

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It's kind of like you're either pro -choice or you're pro -life and somebody attaches themselves to one label or the other. But a large number of those people who would identify themselves as pro -life are not actually for the complete abolishment of abortion.

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And anytime some sort of bill or legislation comes up, you've got politicians that identify as pro -life that try to kill those abolition bills.

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They don't want them to pass. I know, and that's shown in this documentary. So you really gotta check this out.

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I think one of the things that the first version of this film, Babies Are Murdered Here, I think one of the things that movie showed is that women are not victims here.

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Women who go into abortion clinics want to kill their children. That's one of the things that the part one of this documentary series exposed in case you were kind of in the dark about that.

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If you've never done ministry at an abortion clinic before, you're just kind of under the impression that, oh, but they don't really know what they're doing.

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And if they could just see an ultrasound, then they would change their mind. That's usually the out of sight, out of mind argument that we make regarding women who want to get abortions.

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So I think that's what was exposed by part one. And then this latest episode of this documentary is exposing the fact that the pro -life side, especially politically, is not really trying to abolish abortion.

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They might be passing some bills here and there, but those bills actually make it easy for abortion doctors and abortion clinics to get around.

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They can get around this stuff. Nobody's actually gonna be tried and go to jail over the heartbeat bill that was passed in Georgia or in Ohio, for example.

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So that's the clip that I wanna play here. I'm gonna start the documentary at a certain portion where you're gonna hear some news clips about these various heartbeat bills that get passed.

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Saiten Bruggenkate is in here. You're gonna hear from the governor of Virginia, the outlandish statements that he made.

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It was either earlier this year or last year. And then you're also gonna hear from an ultrasound tech who is going to demonstrate.

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It's a little hard to kind of picture it in your mind because we're playing the audio. You have to go to the video to watch it.

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But she's gonna demonstrate how easy it is to get around the heartbeat bill. And we're gonna kind of talk about that as it shows.

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Yeah, so as you hear the thing playing, we'll be narrating as it goes. Okay, so here we go. The Ohio governor signing today what critics condemn as the most restrictive abortion law in the country.

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Well, Georgia has passed one of the most restrictive abortion policies in the country. State lawmakers narrowly passed a measure

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Friday that would outlaw most abortions once a heartbeat can be detected in the embryo. State after state passing new restrictive laws.

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Next up is Louisiana. The question is who gets to determine what is life? So this is Saiten, Brugge and Kate here.

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Okay. And he's making an apologetic argument for basically how do we determine what life is?

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If we're not passing a bill that says life begins at conception, then now who's gonna decide at what stage this child becomes a life?

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Who is making that decision? Where is that being defined? So that's what Sai is gonna be arguing for here.

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Okay. Is an ultrasound gonna determine it? You know, they want to reinforce the suppression of truth of the mothers who wanna kill their babies.

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Because you see, if the person is God, it doesn't matter what you prove. They're just gonna think of different reasons why

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I can kill this baby, you know? And that's what's happening now. And the mask is finally being pulled off of the abortion movement.

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You have governors arguing that a baby could be killed after birth. In this particular example, if a -

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So here's the clip of Virginia Governor Ralph Northam, Democrat from Virginia, who was, these were those crazy statements that he made about, hey, when the child is born, if the mother doesn't want the child, you could still put the child to death.

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That's basically what he's admitting here. Mother is in labor. I can tell you exactly what would happen.

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The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.

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There are people advocating for the killing of babies after they've been born. And you're gonna pull out an ultrasound machine and prove to this guy that he's killing a baby?

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Are you kidding me? My name is Sarah Cleveland. I'm a registered diagnostic medical sonographer, otherwise known as an ultrasound tech.

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I've been registered for 15 years. I specialize in a couple of different areas, one of them being

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OBGYN. I've been involved in anti -abortion work for many years.

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As someone who has operated an ultrasound machine for a number of years, I can guarantee you the machine only takes pictures where I tell it to, where the operator tells it to.

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It is 100 % operator dependent. I can choose not to see a heartbeat, even if there is one.

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I can choose to show the mother. I can choose not to document it. I can choose to take a picture of the pregnancy without showing a heartbeat, even if there is one.

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The machine takes the pictures where I tell it and it can be easily manipulated. Today we had a young mom come in.

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So, this is a big baby, right? So we're talking 16 and a half weeks. And we did a scan of her and I started off just doing a normal scan like I would, just showing her the profile, showing her the baby.

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The baby's arms and legs were moving around. The ankles were crossed. Okay, so we see details here.

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We see the baby's face. There's two hands right there. Okay, you see the baby moving.

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I'm not moving at all. This is the baby moving. Look at the jaw moving. See the mouth moving?

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Open and shut. Watch that mouth. Just like a newborn baby, except in the womb. See the legs at the top.

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Remember doing this, babe? The legs are crossed. Oh, yeah. So we've been here with our kids watching these ultrasounds.

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I love it. All these details. Everything is there. There's the umbilical cord. You see that little rope looking thing right there?

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You see it pulsating? That's the umbilical cord attached to the mother and baby. So we can get beautiful pictures like that.

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I showed her the baby on the screen. I printed out pictures for her, and everything was great, and she enjoyed watching the ultrasound.

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So this would be a great picture to give home, to take home for mom, for her baby. You see the brain structures even in the brain there.

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All right, now they're gonna show us how these ultrasounds can be manipulated.

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So you can still follow the laws of the heartbeat bill without actually breaking the law, but you're also not showing the mother a heartbeat or that there's any child even in the womb at all.

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Oh, wow. So here's how she's gonna demonstrate that these ultrasound techs, if they're in the business of murdering children, that's what they're gonna try to do.

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They're not gonna try to appease these heartbeat bills, and we're leaving it in their hands to be honest about the fact that there's a child in the womb.

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So now she's gonna explain the darker side of this. The next part of the ultrasound I did on that very same baby, not moving any of the buttons on the screen,

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I could just move the angle of the probe or the transducer to an angle where I lose the baby on the screen.

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So I'm purposely taking a bad picture. You really can't tell anything, right? You can't see the profile. You can't really see anything.

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This is mostly at the bottom of the screen. That's mostly bowel. The settings aren't quite right. I should drop the depth down.

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I should zoom in a little bit more, clean up the image, but they're not gonna care at an abortion facility. At the very, very top is a very, very small sliver of the placenta.

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And in the top right of the screen is a cross -section of the baby's thigh.

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But yet I fulfilled that pro -life law and done the ultrasound, showed the mom her baby. But again, it's impersonal.

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It's not the whole baby. It's not the whole picture. But to her, it looks like nothing. To her, it doesn't really look like anything.

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So here's the torso and the baby's face. You can see an arm moving. And then just in that same spot, move it.

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So it's only just a little bit of the baby in the picture, but it doesn't look like the baby. The baby just disappears.

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It's a cross -section of an area of the body. So yeah, she just, I mean, just basically turns her wrist barely.

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Yeah, just barely. And you lose the baby in the image altogether. Yeah, that's weird. So there's...

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It goes from baby to just... A black hole. Yeah. And so this is what they're doing at abortion facilities.

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So they just have to go, well, you know, just look. I'll even show it to you. Clump of cells there.

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Wow. Not a baby. So she, and she'll go on to explain that here. Mostly fluid.

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It's mostly actually just bowel and air of the mom at the bottom. That's not even part of the pregnancy, but it's at the very top.

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But it's fulfilling pro -life laws because if they say, if a mom asked to see the ultrasound before her abortion, I'm doing an ultrasound before the abortion, right?

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If she asked to see the screen, we'll say, okay, no big deal. See how you don't really, can't really see anything? Like, yeah,

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I don't really see anything. Say, that's all we're doing. We're just removing that. So the problem with the heartbeat bill is it's ultimately trusting someone who is in the business of killing babies to tell the truth, using an ultrasound to detect a heartbeat.

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There can't be any charges against an abortionist because they're fulfilling, they're not even breaking the law.

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Babies with beating hearts are able to be seen as early as six weeks, but the abortion facility is not going to take the effort or take the time or do the ultrasound accurately to find that heartbeat that early on.

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They're in the business of killing babies. They're not in the business of finding heartbeats, of being honest and saving that baby's life.

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So these pro -life pieces of legislation, these ultrasound bills, and even the heartbeat bills, how it's advertised it's gonna save 90 to 95 % of babies with beating hearts.

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Absolutely a lie. It's not true. We're trusting murderers to tell the truth.

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Yeah, so get that, so she says 90 to, the claim is 90 to 95 % of babies are gonna be saved by these heartbeat bills.

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Right. And she says that's not true. That's not gonna happen. So now it's gonna shift to Sarah Cleveland giving testimony about that here.

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I urge you to do the right thing and make this not a regulation bill, but instead a full abolitionist bill to end human abortion in Ohio.

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Thank you. Ms. Cleveland, thank you for your testimony. And I commend you for taking the time to read the text of the bill and giving us the appropriate lines for your thoughts.

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So thank you very much for that. Heartbeat bills should be opposed because they don't go far enough.

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Leading pro -life lobbies oppose them because they go too far. That's the graphic that comes up there. National Right to Life and their partners have a long history of opposing even the weakest regulations of abortion.

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There was something in the paper. So this is Mike Ganadakis, the executive director to the

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Ohio Right to Life. This woman's asking him a question and he's gonna give an answer.

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So what the clips that it's gonna show here are examples of some of these guys and politicians that claim to be pro -life and they're actually opposing pro -life legislation.

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You wanna read what her question was? Yeah, let me see if I can go back a little bit here.

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See if I can bring this up. Still that graphic. National Right to Life, da, da, da, da, da.

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She says there was something in the paper not long ago. They were going to try and limit,

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I believe, try to limit, and I believe it's in Ohio. It's in Ohio. The abortions to win, the heartbeats started.

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The heartbeats between 18 to 21 days, I believe. What happened to that? The fourth ink would be drawn in Governor Kasich's name.

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Assuming he would sign it, which I don't think he will, there will be a permanent injunction in the federal district court in southwest

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Ohio by liberal pro -abortion judge Susan Millatt. Groupie -making, saying this law is unconstitutional.

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Mike, your group doesn't support the heartbeat bill. Seems like a pro -life bill. Why don't you support this one in particular?

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What we've said at Ohio Right to Life is we're strategic in what laws we pass in all 50 states because our federal court system is very vicious to us.

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We have to be careful because why would we invite a hostile court to make a decision that could set us back 40, 50 years?

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We have to engage in the incremental approach one step at a time. There's another bill that you do support.

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It's called the 20 -week abortion ban. Do you think that bill will withstand challenges in the courts?

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We do, and here's why. 12 other states have passed the fetal pain 20 -week ban. We are following breaking news out of Columbus today where Governor John Kasich has signed a 20 -week abortion ban while vetoing the heartbeat bill.

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That heartbeat bill, which cleared the Republican -led legislator, banned most abortions as early as six weeks into a pregnancy and would have been among the strictest abortion bills in the country.

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So that was back in 2016. A lot of you probably remember John Kasich because he was running for president in 2016, was probably the liberalist conservative of the

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Republicans that were running for president. So it was even during that time when he was campaigning for president, he vetoed the heartbeat bill, but he passed the 20 -week abortion ban.

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Guys, he's a pro -choice Republican. Yeah. So I don't care that he passed a 20 -week ban.

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That man is pro -abortion. He's saying you can have an abortion all the way up to 20 weeks.

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That was absolutely his position on it because with the stroke of his own pen, he vetoed the heartbeat bill but passed the 20 -week abortion ban.

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That's not pro -life. No. You're deciding when life begins and it's not at conception.

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You think it happens sometime later. So you're for the killing of babies if that's, you know, that's where your pro -life message starts and stops.

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Right. Every other organization that I name supports this bill. The only organization that doesn't support it is

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National Right to Life. Now that's absolutely astounding. So that's representative Steve King in Iowa.

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And he says, everybody is supporting this abortion ban bill except the

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National Right to Life. And they're supposed to be, they're supposed to be the political action group that's behind helping to push these pro -life legislations.

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Yeah. Isn't that astounding? I can't get past this. That's what they're exposing in this documentary.

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It's incredible. And well done to Marcus Pittman and the guys who worked on this for putting all this together.

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Okay, so this graphic in 2019, after years of fighting against the heartbeat bill and with pressure from citizens of Ohio, Ohio Right to Life forced themselves into the governor's signing ceremony to take credit for its passing.

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The Ohio governor signing today what critics condemn as the most restrictive abortion law in the country.

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So you recognize that guy right over there? That was a guy they were interviewing on TV. I can't hardly see your screen,

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I'm sorry. Okay. Well, it's kind of a little bit blurry because the image started pulling out. Yeah, and it's,

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I'm not face on with it. Oh, okay. So it changes the colors. You know, they had the split screen where there was the interview on television.

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Oh, yeah. And he was the guy on the right, that's him right there. Oh, gotcha. So the guy on the right was who?

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So he was with the National Right to Life. Check. And he was the one that was saying, no, we can't do these abolition bills because it would set us back.

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So instead we're trying to do it incrementally. Got it. And then you had the representative from Iowa that was saying, everybody is behind this abolition bill.

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All of the pro -life groups are behind it except the National Right to Life. That's insane. Was actually opposing it.

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That is just, I can't get past that. My Q group doesn't support the heartbeat bill. So on July 3rd, the federal district judge struck down the

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Ohio heartbeat bill. That was this year. Three days later, the bills were mocked.

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Now I've lost that graphic now. I'm not gonna be able to get it back because it goes too far. Support the heartbeat bill.

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Struck down the Ohio heartbeat bill, district judge. Three days later, the bills were mocked at the

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National Right to Life convention. So what you're gonna - Yes. So what you're gonna hear next is the

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National Right to Life group mocking these bills. Oh my God. If one of these left more idealistic bills comes up in our state, what advice do you think that we should give to legislators?

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Should we ask them to vote for something on the heartbeat bill? Should we ask them to oppose it? Like, Doug, what do you think?

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So this is the guy, Jim Bopp from the National Right to Life General Council.

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And he's saying, heartbeat bills, don't introduce them. Don't consider them. Don't have a committee hearing for them.

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Do not vote for them. This is the National Right to Life that's saying this.

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And the - And they get paid for this job? Well, yeah, they do. Now remember the ultrasound tech that we were hearing from earlier.

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She was saying they don't work anyway because all you have to do is turn the thing this way and you can not even find the baby in the ultrasound.

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And we're entrusting to murderers to tell us the truth. Very true. But what these clips are showing is that the

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National Right to Life doesn't even support heartbeat bills. Like heartbeat bills, they would consider to be way too conservative.

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So they oppose those. Instead, they go for things like 20 -week abortion bans because they think that's better for this effort than passing some sort of abolition legislation.

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So in August of 2019, Jim Bopp spoke before the Tennessee legislature condemning a life at conception bill.

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And here is what he said. Look, divine intervention is God's decision, not ours.

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He will do it in his time when he believes the time is right. Absent divine intervention, we have to use our human reason, our human powers to figure out what is the best course.

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So I'm gonna go ahead and stop it there, but that's the section of the documentary that I wanted to play for you.

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I made the argument on Twitter that this section that I just watched here is enough to convince me to be an abolitionist, to not do the incremental stuff.

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I get phone calls all the time. I remember one time I was driving down to Georgia with my dad and we stopped at a gas station and I got a call on my phone.

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And it was somebody from one of those right to life organizations. They were saying, hey, we're doing all this work to try to pass these legislations and stuff like that.

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And would you donate to our cause because we have you down as a registered Republican and you vote pro -life.

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And I said, no, no, I'm not gonna give you anything. And she was really like stuck.

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She was like, I mean, do you understand kind of the work that we do? And I said, yeah, I understand the work that you do.

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And she said, well, you don't wanna support this? And I said, no, if you call me back sometime later in the future and you tell me that you are for the absolute passing of laws that define life as beginning at conception and abortion is illegal at all stages in all 40 weeks of pregnancy.

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If you call me back and you say that's what you're fighting for, then I'll support your cause. But until you can tell me that,

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I'm not gonna give you any money because I don't see that the effort that you're. Yeah, it just makes me angry.

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Yeah. It's just better that I don't say anything. I'm just angry right now.

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This is a sensitive, a pretty sensitive subject for Becky. It is. She doesn't watch these kinds of documentaries with me.

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Nope. She can't handle them. Nope. But I knew that we could at least do that much.

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And your eyes would stay dry. Yep. They're dry because I'm angry.

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But it's a great documentary. Check out Babies Are Still Murdered here. We had posted it on our

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What Facebook page yesterday and also the What Twitter page. So if you follow us on social media, you'll find the documentary there.

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And then of course, you look it up on YouTube because that's what we're linking to is the YouTube page.

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Sorry, I started playing it there. Apologia Studios who had just posted it, they premiered it on October the 31st.

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So if you go to Apologia Studios YouTube channel, you'll find Babies Are Still Murdered here.

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Thanks again to Marcus Pittman and the gang for putting that together. It was a wonderful documentary. Wonderful as in enlightening.

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Enlightening, yes. That's a great way to put it. Okay, let's get to the questions here. Yes. This first one is

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Pastor Gabe. I loved the, well, what extra videos that you were doing?

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Aw. So that's the, on YouTube, it's W -W -U -T -T -E -X -T.

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If you're looking for those extra videos. It's not really extra. I think that's what it says on the title page, but it's supposed to be

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Xed, like extended, extra. Yeah. Text. Something like that.

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Yeah. Anyway, I love those videos you were doing, but you stopped doing them.

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I think the video on the problems with the Bible project videos was the last one that you did. Any chance that you have any future videos planned?

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Yes, hopefully the one that I've been working on, I'll get it posted today. Oh, that's cool. But I'm reading through the first chapter of 25

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Christmas Myths and what the Bible says. So trying to give a little plug for the book, and you can hear some of the stuff that I wrote, that I'm proud of, so pick up the book.

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You can go find it on Amazon. If you just type in 25, the number 25

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Christmas Myths on Amazon, it's the first thing that's gonna come up. Okay. So you can get it either for your

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Kindle or for your, get it in paperback. But anyway, so the next, well, what

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Xed video is gonna be on 25 Christmas Myths?

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And then I've got another one after that that I'm gonna do too, and it's still on 25 Christmas Myths. I'm not getting hardly any videos done right now.

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I've not even been doing any what videos. Yeah, we've had a busy season. It's been a very busy season.

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Yeah. Yeah, it used to be that I was doing at least one what video a week, and right now I'm doing like one or two a month.

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Right. So it's, I'm really behind. I've been running them around. She has been. Becky's had work for me to do too.

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I have. So then Edward goes on here, my question is about the video that you did on 1 John 2 .19.

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They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

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In the video where you explain this passage, you seem to use the words faith and church interchangeably.

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Like you talk about how a person who leaves the faith never really had faith to begin with, and a person who leaves the church was never really part of the church in the first place.

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But how are faith and the church the same thing? How is it that John is talking about both of these things here?

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I've always appreciated your videos. You help me understand the Bible better. Keep up the great work, Edward in Colorado.

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Okay, so let me bring this up. I forgot to get my Bible out, which I like to do. And bring up 1

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John 2 .19. So let's look at this in context. And this is John warning about antichrist.

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So starting in verse 18, children, it is the last hour and you have heard that antichrist is coming.

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So now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us.

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For if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

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But you have been anointed by the Holy One and you all have knowledge. I write to you not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it and because no lie is of the truth.

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Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the

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Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father.

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Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you.

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If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that he made to us, eternal life.

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So that's verses 18 through 25 there. So in the video, primarily what I was responding to is there were folks that were arguing that you can't use 1

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John 2 .19 to say that a person has left the church or left the faith to demonstrate that they were never really of the faith in the first place.

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And the reason why they were arguing that is because the context that John is talking about is false teachers.

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So he's talking about false teachers. They, the false teachers, went out from us because they were not really of us.

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That's true, but who follows the false teachers? The rest of the people that end up walking away from the faith or walking away from the church.

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And following the false teachers. Right. So remember, Paul says they accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions.

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So false teachers are a judgment and false teachers don't go out by themselves.

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False teachers take people with them who wanted to believe the false teachers. So that's certainly the context of what

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John is talking about there, but it doesn't mean that we just limit it to talking about false teachers. It's also the people that follow those false teachers.

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Because remember in Revelation 13 verse eight says that those who worship the beast are those whose names were not written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the lamb who was slain.

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They're the ones that follow the beast, the ones who are not written in the book of life from before the foundation of the world.

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Right. And then we know that - It's to make it plain for us to see. Yeah, to see exactly who that was.

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Right. We don't know whose name is not written in the book of life. Right. But when they go out from the faith and never come back to the faith, then it's demonstrated to us exactly those who said they were

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Christians, but really were not. Right. And of course I tied this in the video, I tied this into the parable of the sower also in Matthew chapter 13.

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So in this parable, Jesus is showing these really are of the kingdom and these are not.

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When the seed falls on the path, among the thorns, among the rocks, these are those who might demonstrate some kind of faith for a time, but then they prove to be unfruitful.

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Right. But when the seed which represents the message of the kingdom falls in good soil, then it produces a harvest.

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Right. We also have in revelation it being mentioned that the devil and his angels are cast into the lake of fire and all those who worshiped the beast will be cast into the lake of fire as well.

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So again, it's not just the false teachers that go out, it's those who follow the false teachers that also go out.

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Now, Edward's question here is, why do you use faith and the church interchangeably?

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Well, because when somebody goes out from the faith, they're also gonna go out from the church. When someone goes -

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I would say, well, yeah, that's true because someone can be out of the faith and they might find a church.

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Right, because not all churches have the same standards, I guess. There are some pretty lax churches out there that accept everybody.

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Well, yeah, you're just talking liberal churches like Unitarian churches. Right. You can be an atheist and be a pastor in a

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Unitarian church. Right. There was that story, what, a year or two ago, there was that woman who was an atheist.

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Yeah, that was insane. Yeah, pastor of a Unitarian church. You don't even have to be a Christian. Yep. To even preach here.

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So - That was crazy. And I mean, we know those are false churches. We know that's - That one's obvious. Yeah. But there are some that are still lax in their housekeeping, if you will, just to make sure everybody's on the up and up and keeping each other in -

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They're not practicing church discipline. Yeah. They're not testing anybody to see if they're bearing any fruit. Right. Nobody is being called out for living in debauchery and sin.

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Right, and they're not teaching them to get past the milk part of learning the faith but into the meat part of maturing in your faith.

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Yep, yeah, so there's a lot of churches just let folks get away with anything. Yeah. As long as you wanna come and you're dropping money in the offering plate.

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Right. That's really all we want. So why am I using the words faith and church interchangeably there?

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Well, again, if somebody's walking away from the church it's because they're walking away from the faith. If they're walking away from the faith, they're most likely walking away from the church also.

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Right. Few people are walking away from the faith and still remaining in church. Right. But it does happen. That's true.

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Yeah. I mean, we have a common story in our church is that you'll have a military family that moves into the area.

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The wife starts coming to church but the husband's not a believer. So he's coming because he wants to be with his wife.

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Right. And that's great. I'm glad he's there. Right. And I'm gonna preach the gospel to him but I certainly hope that somebody who comes into our church who's an unbeliever is eventually gonna make a decision to repent and follow

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Christ. Right. And we do put that on folks that, you know, like, hey, you've been here for two, three months or something like that.

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Yeah. Do you have any questions about what we're talking about? And we continue to follow up on those things to put a person in a position of having to respond to the gospel that's being preached.

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Right. You're not just doing your religious duty and we're not gonna let you get away with thinking that just because you're here, you're punching a ticket.

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Right. Somewhere. You might be punching a ticket somewhere but it's not to heaven if you're not following Christ.

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Very true. So I hope that clarifies a little bit why I'm using those words faith and church interchangeably.

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They should be used interchangeably. Yeah. Now, what I do wanna clarify that when I'm talking about walking away from the church,

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I'm not talking about walking away from your church. Right. So there are people because of conflict, because of disagreements over certain things, things don't see eye to eye or it's just not the kind of church

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I want to attend because I'm looking for more preaching, looking for soundness of doctrine, less programs.

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I don't like the gimmicks. So they leave that church and go for a place where they're looking for something better, more solid in the gospel that's being presented.

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Just because a person walks away from your church does not mean that they've walked away from the faith. Right. There are going to be occasions in which a person is probably gonna need to leave this church and go find another one.

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And there's also times where I've seen church just gets too crowded. And so, hey,

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I'm going to open up my seat to somebody else and I'm gonna go somewhere else and something.

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I've seen that in a few places. Yeah, it's just preference at that point. Yeah, I'm just kind of trying to draw out examples.

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Just to say that just because a person's walked away from your church doesn't mean they've walked away from the church altogether.

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Right. But when I say walking away from the church or walking away from the faith, I'm talking about. That's the big

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C. Yeah, the big C. Yeah. The universal church, everybody who is a part of the church because they are in Christ.

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If they're walking away from that, they're walking away from the faith. If a person is in faith, they're gonna be in church.

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Right. Here's an interesting thing to consider. And it's, I can't remember if I said this on Sunday or not because we're talking about reading our

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Bible, how to read your Bible, which was the sermon that I preached this last Sunday. Right. There's nothing in the

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Bible that tells you to have a quiet time. That's true. Nothing in there that tells you you need to make a daily quiet time.

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You're meditating on the Bible and you're praying. The Bible does say pray without ceasing and it says meditate day and night on the word of God.

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Well, I mean, it does tell us to be like Jesus and Jesus tried to get away a lot. Yeah.

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But then again, he had a ton of people around him. Right. But it also wasn't a daily thing. True. So you're talking like the daily quiet time.

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That's true. Is not something in the Bible that says you have to make a regular discipline. Right. It says meditate on the word of God day and night and pray without ceasing.

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Right. What the Bible does tell you to do is go to church. Yes. So the regular congregational attendance is more important than even your regular quiet time.

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The reading the Bible, individual reading of the Bible and individual prayer time.

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I think those things are certainly important but there's nothing in scripture that mandates you should be doing this daily.

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What we are instructed is you should meet with the church regularly. Right. Don't be lax in your church attendance.

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That's even more important than having a regular daily quiet time.

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Yes. So thank you for your question, Edward. This next one comes from... I didn't even write a name down.

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Crazy. What did I do with that name? Okay. Whoever sent this question is going to recognize the question but I didn't write down who sent the question.

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Hello, Pastor Gabe and Becky. My Sunday school class is going through the doctrines of grace. And right now we are on the limited atonement part of that.

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I've been thinking a lot about atonement in the old and new covenants and what they mean. Then something dawned on me while I was reading

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Leviticus 16. And I realized that chapter does not mention anything about lambs but the priests were to sacrifice goats for the people.

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If Christ atoned for our sin and the Lord told the Israelites on the day of atonement to sacrifice goats then why do we call

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Jesus the lamb of God and not, I know this sounds bad, the goat of God?

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I know I'm missing something somewhere. Thank you guys so much for your ministry. It has been a huge blessing especially the

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Friday Q and A's with Becky. Aw. I can tell you guys have an amazing relationship with each other and you both love the

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Lord first and foremost. Amen. Amen to that. Yes, my wife is a wonderful woman.

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I was just texting her last night while I was on the couch and she was in our bed but that's not what it sounds like.

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I was not relegated to the couch. No. I was waiting for the laundry to dry.

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Yes. And you sent me to bed because I was so tired. Yeah. So I did not realize

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Becky wasn't in the room anymore. She had left and gone up to bed. She came back down to get her allergy medicine because she forgot that.

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Went to bed and I didn't realize she wasn't there so I was trying to talk to her and I was kind of like, oh, maybe she's in the laundry room.

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So I just kind of laid there for a second and then I heard something in the kitchen. I was like, okay, she's back in the kitchen now.

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So I started talking again. Still didn't get a response. So I turned around and looked.

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I was like, oh, she's not there anymore. And so then I just texted her. Yeah. She was up in the bedroom. I was like, oh, I'm talking to you.

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You're not here anymore. No, I've disappeared. So yes, we do love each other.

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Love each other's company. I am never tired of this woman. In fact, I don't wanna go anywhere.

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I just wanna stay at home with my family. That's really the way I feel most days.

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Anyway, that's no offense to anybody. No, no. I'm afraid now having said that, I'm going to go pay someone a visit tomorrow and they're gonna be like, well,

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I know Gabe would rather be at home with his family. Doesn't actually wanna be sitting here talking to me. Ow.

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Hello. Watch out for - I didn't do it that time. Shells that are hanging out there.

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Where was I? Because I just whacked myself and I totally forgot where I was.

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So the Lamb of God question. So this question is, why do we call Jesus the Lamb of God if the instruction to Israel is to sacrifice goats?

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So he's called the Lamb of God and not the goat of God. Well, we refer to Jesus as the Lamb of God primarily because of the

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Passover. Not because of the day of atonement laws, but more because he is our

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Passover lamb. Paul points that out to the Corinthians. So Exodus 12, verse one, when the

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Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, this month shall be for you the beginning of months.

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It shall be the first month of the year for you. Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the 10th day of this month, every man shall take a lamb according to their father's houses, a lamb for a household.

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So this is the instruction regarding Passover. It's the last plague in Egypt. These are the instructions that the

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Israelites are being given to avoid the angel of death. How can you be sure that the angel of death is gonna pass over you and will not strike down the firstborn in your home?

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So verse four, if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his nearest neighbor shall take according to the number of persons.

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According to what each can eat, you shall make your account for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male, a year old.

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You may take it from the sheep or from the goats.

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And you shall keep it until the 14th day of this month when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.

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So in our English vernacular, we think of lamb as being a small sheep, a young sheep.

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But lamb was used to describe either a sheep or a goat. Now, where do we get this idea that we should not call

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Jesus the goat of God? And I don't think we should because I think that would just get too confusing.

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John the Baptist, Jesus is passing by, behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

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So it was the understanding that Jesus was the fulfillment of the sacrificial lamb laws that were given in the

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Old Testament. He is our Passover lamb. Where do we get the sheep and the goats thing from?

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Well, that's Jesus telling of the final judgment in Matthew 25. When the son of man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

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Before him will be gathered all the nations and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

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And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on his left. And then by the explanation that he gives, those who are on his right are entering into the kingdom of God.

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And those who are on his left are being departed into the place of eternal punishment.

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So that's where we get the idea of the goat being bad and the sheep being good.

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That's where we get that from. But it doesn't mean that the sacrifice laws in the Old Testament were distinguishing between sheep and goats, as in sheep good, goat bad.

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That's not the way that we're supposed to read that. But lamb could be either a young sheep or a young goat.

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Don't do it. Becky was about to yawn. Don't do it. Okay, sorry.

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Okay, go ahead. What were you gonna say? So the lamb had to be without blemish, which means that they had to be purely white, correct?

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Yeah, there couldn't be any spot or blemish, no scars. So how does that work for a lamb as a goat?

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I'm confused. Just had to be a spotless goat. Just, okay. I mean, I guess goats can be white.

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I wasn't thinking about those goats. I usually think about the gray goats first. And they normally,

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I mean, they're gray, they're not white. Yeah, it doesn't say. But there are some white goats, aren't there? It doesn't say what color they have to be.

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Oh, it doesn't? It doesn't make a specification about color. Just without blemish. Yeah, just had to be a healthy goat. Okay. And it was so that Israel needed to understand they must give their best.

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Right. So not looking for the scraggly animal that we weren't gonna do anything with at all. Right, like Cain was trying to do.

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He was just giving his leftovers. Right. But they're giving their best. And it also was a picture of holiness because Jesus was the spotless lamb.

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He had no blemish about him at all. He was sinless. He was perfect.

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So he was the sacrifice that could take away the sins of the world. Any one of us tried to step into Jesus' position and we were not going to meet the qualifications of that sacrifice.

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No, we're close. So yeah, all of this with the sheep and the goats as sacrifices, and whether you're talking about ox or any of the other sacrifices that they had to offer, all of this was a picture of the ultimate sacrifice that was gonna be given by the

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Son of God, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. That reference to Jesus being the

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Lamb of God is simply a reference back to the fact that lambs were sacrificed for the atonement of sins and Jesus is showing up on the scene to be the fulfillment of the law and the prophets.

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Amen. Final question here. This one comes from Jonathan. Hi guys, thank you so much for making this podcast and for helping me so much.

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My question is about Luke 12, 11 through 12. It says, when you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, for the

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Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say. How does this apply to Christians today?

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Oftentimes the day before I'm going to witness to someone, I try to plan in my head how I'm gonna go about talking to them.

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Is this verse condemning that? You do that too? I do. I try. It never works out.

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I think it's even good to write all that out. It's good, and like what we did with our evangelism class, which we had over the summer, our friend

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Raymond led that, did a great job. We even had at the end of that class, we were doing role play.

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And each one of us were given a slip of paper. This is the kind of person that you're gonna be. And so you have to respond to the evangelist like this kind of person.

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And some of them would be like, just like an agnostic guy who just doesn't care about anything.

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Just kind of lacks, doesn't really care. How is the person who's doing the evangelizing gonna try to get through to this guy?

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Another one might be a Mormon. I always cornered myself. You would corner yourself?

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I always did. I always said the wrong words. And then I didn't have a very relaxing partner.

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They always got the ones with the aggressive and everything. So angry.

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And you would get to a point where you're stuck. And you're like, okay, what do I say now? Nevermind. I'll try another day.

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It's always good to practice that because you can prepare yourself for that. Even we haven't had some people in the role play that were aggressive.

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That's what I'm talking about. Get away from me. We wanna talk to you. How do you respond to that situation?

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Yeah, not very well. So Jonathan's asking, is this passage in Luke 12 condemning the preparation of sharing with somebody who asks of us an answer for the hope that lies within us?

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Or is this verse only telling us not to plan ahead when somebody else initiates the conversation instead of us?

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I'm confused. I just don't understand why it would be wrong to plan ahead, but it seems like that's what the verse is saying.

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Thank you guys again for all you do. I pray that your teachings will reach more and more people.

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Well, let's go to Luke 12 here. And starting in verse eight,

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Jesus says to his disciples whom he is sending out as sheep amidst the wolves,

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I tell you everyone who acknowledges me before men, the son of God will also acknowledge before the angels of God.

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The son of man will acknowledge before the angels of God. But the one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God.

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And everyone who speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven. But the one who blasphemes against the

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Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say.

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For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say. Key word in there is do not be anxious about how you will defend yourself.

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Do not fear. Do not think that the Lord is not with you in the midst of these moments.

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Now, as Jesus was talking to the apostles about this, there was certainly a manifestation of the

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Holy Spirit within them that's different than the way that we have the Holy Spirit now. So the

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Holy Spirit's gift upon an apostle, what really was going to be the word of God was coming out of that apostle's mouth whenever he was responding to those critics that wanted to persecute him or put him to death.

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But for us, so how would that instruction then pertain to us? Well, the more of God's word you store up in your heart, the more you're gonna know how to respond to each one of those situations.

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And when somebody, 1 Peter 3 15, asks you for an answer for the hope that lies within you, but doing this with gentleness and respect, what's gonna come out of you is the word of God as you have read it in the

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Bible. Because you've filled up your heart with that, it has become what is on your mind, you've conditioned yourself to respond with God's word whenever you do evangelism or whenever somebody corners you about one of these questions or something like that.

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So preparation is essential because it means you're gonna have to go to your

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Bible and study it. Right, but the Bible also tells us not to count on tomorrow being there either.

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Making the most of every opportunity because the days are evil. You're thinking about Matthew chapter six, where Jesus says, do not be anxious about tomorrow, let tomorrow worry about itself.

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Sufficient for the day is its own trouble. Really? That's not the one you're thinking of? Nope, it was, hang on.

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Well, you started the program by saying, the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord lasts forever.

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No, it's not that one either. It was, don't plan for tomorrow, maybe it's boasting about tomorrow.

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So you're talking like James four. Now listen, you who say today or tomorrow, we will go to this city and we'll spend a year there, we'll do this or that.

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You don't even know what will happen tomorrow. Right. What is your life? You're a miss that appears for a little while and then vanishes.

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Is that what you were thinking of? That's the one I was thinking of. There we go, okay. Because it was planning for tomorrow. Gotcha. And so that's why

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I was thinking whenever he was asking the question that maybe it was just the fact of planning.

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You know, so we should say if the Lord wills it, that that would be better. But that's interesting.

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So I didn't have the right context either. So I just thought it was neat.

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There you go. That it was learning for me too. Well, Jonathan, planning is always good when it comes to evangelism.

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Yes, preparation. Yeah, you should be prepared. Yes. Because that's really the instruction in 1

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Peter 3 .15, be prepared to give an answer. How else would you meditate on God's word night and day?

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I mean, why would you have to is to be prepared? Yeah. Well, to sanctify yourself, that you would be sanctified according to the word of God.

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That's why you would do it. But also you're preparing yourself to have to respond to a person that asks.

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Yeah, did I not say that? Okay. Yeah, you were talking about it in terms of meditating to be prepared for evangelism.

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Okay. Well, you know. But you're also meditating for sanctification. I apologize, I'm very tired.

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And I'm trying to think through the fog of sleepiness. Well, let's be done and wrap this up.

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Yes, that, what you said. Yes, let's. Heavenly Father, we thank you for this time and thank you for the opportunity to be able to do this.

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And I pray that what we've done here in this program is ministering to folks, that they're hearing the word of God and being encouraged by your word to seek

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Christ daily in all things, who died on the cross for our sins and rose again from the dead so that all who believe in him will not perish, but will have everlasting life.

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Teach us how we share that message with others and know how to answer each person accordingly.

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And we pray these things in Jesus name, amen. Amen. Amen. Amen.

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Amen. Amen. Amen.

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Yes. Why does it have to get so low?

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Because it's 24 degrees outside. No, that's when we were still outside.

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I'm sure it's lower than that now. You can go sit by the window over there. You'll feel a little draftiness. I'm sure it's colder than 24 now.

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Well, I pulled the weather thing up. It said 24. Still? Yep. I'm surprised. It said it was actually 24 and it even felt like 24.

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So no wind chill right now. Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and take this now.

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Okay, I've got to cue this up. I forgot to do that. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.