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July 15, 2019:
JASON WALLACE, pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah (OPC), & producer of LDS.Video who will discuss: “The ATHEIST ILLUSION”
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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio. Dot-com this is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 15th day of July 2019 and I'm so thrilled to have back a Returning guest on iron sharpens iron radio a dear friend and somebody who has proven to be one of my very favorite guests to interview.
His name is Jason Wallace. He is pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah a congregation in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church denomination. He is also a documentarian a producer of LDS dot video.
He has produced videos not only on the Mormons but on Roman Catholicism on Homosexuality and Atheism and today we are going to be discussing his latest documentary, which is absolutely superb. I strongly urge you to get this documentary into the hands of Everybody, you know, especially young people.
Millennials college students and so on because of the barrage of falsehoods. They are no doubt going to be hearing Wherever they go whether it's a college campus or just hanging out with friends. But the documentary is called the atheist illusion and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio my dear friend pastor Jason Wallace Praise God.
Well before we go into our topic the documentary the atheist illusion. Please tell our listeners about Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah.
We're a. I'm sorry, I thought that your church was Presbyterian.
Amen now Ogden correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Ogden even more heavily saturated with Mormon residents than the Salt Lake City area. Where you are?
Not not really. I mean Ogden has always had. Okay.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well if anybody is Visiting Magna, Utah the Salt Lake City area where they live there already or you have family friends and loved ones that live there You want to direct them to a good solid Bible believing church.
Go to? Www .gospelutah .org. Gospelutah .org. And hopefully I will remember to repeat that later on in the broadcast. By the way very important. Piece of trivia. I don't know if that's an oxymoron important trivia.
But anyway, our mutual friend that means Jason Wallace's mutual friend with me. Dr James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries does make fairly regular trips out to Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah to put on conferences and so on and has done so for quite a number of years.
Yeah, he has been great now.
How did you get involved in making documentaries. Because you do and I'm not just saying this because of my frequently heard voice on your documentaries. Sometimes I need to hire a medium to conjure up these voices of evil people to be a part of your your documentaries.
I am kidding folks.
But.
Your documentaries are absolutely superb, I mean if I were to see Your documentaries on a major Television network. I would not hesitate to think that there was anything less than professional quality.
Going on with your documentaries It would. The only thing that might be different about your documentaries is that the truth was heard from beginning to end. So I might be surprised by that if I saw them on major television networks, but They are absolutely the the finest in Documentaries I've seen and so tell us how you got involved in these documentaries.
Chris before you give that I just want to give a shout out to images and yes.
And Russ has been a longtime listener to I am sharpens on radio as well.
Yeah, he is a good brother. How we got into this times. Yes, the great-granddaughter of Brigham Young. Yeah.
There might there might be a couple of extra greats in there. But yeah, I.
Think you. I think she's great great. One of the reasons I have now. I used to have live call-ins now.
I have live email questions.
That we figure that out on but I realized very long and made seven other videos some atheism.
Shame that and I've heard that about other cults as well. You mentioned something before before we go into the specific topic of atheism and the atheist illusion documentary. You mentioned the Mountain Meadows Massacre a lot of people might not be familiar with that event.
But if I'm not mistaken, and I've been mistaken before just as I was a few minutes ago. I believe the Mountain Meadows Massacre Was the largest massacre on American soil of American citizens? Before 9-eleven, I'm not 100 sure that that's correct, but I think it is true.
Do you know if what I just said is actually a fact.
I've heard that claim. There's some were travelers on their way.
I think to California perhaps or somewhere out west and when they were traveling through Utah the Mormons believed they were Spies for the government or something nonsensical. Was it am I right on that?
Partially, I mean Brigham Young when when the Mormons moved here in 1847 to antagonize the federal government. Finally Buchanan the shedding of blood according to Mormons is necessary.
For Salvation in regard to certain sins like murder and so on. Yeah, right, which is why even until recently in history Utah was one of the few states that continued to practice the firing squad for the execution of Those on death row because of the blood that would be shed.
And I don't have. Did they still do that. If you request it.
As far as I know, I think they they got rid of it a few years together.
I remember Gary Gilmore requested it. He was a death row and he was a Mormon at least. I don't know if that was like one of those foxhole conversions or what it was, but.
Yeah, he killed and.
The.
Ironically the Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred also on September 11th. Yep in 1857 I believe. Correct. That's quite a quote quote coincidence. But one of the reasons I think it's very applicable to discuss not only the Mountain Meadows Massacre, but 9 -11 and other things in a segue into atheism is because one of the Parts of one of the very well-known and often used elements of atheistic rhetoric is that more people have been Killed on the face of the earth in the name of religion than for any other reason.
Now, let me let me start off by saying when I hear that I don't get as nearly indignant as Some Christians or conservative religious people get because I know there is only one true religion the religion of Christianity.
And.
Even though there have been many like the Church of Rome and so on who have masqueraded as Christians who have committed atrocities on a grand scale massive scale I know the true biblical Christianity is the only true religion and that all the religion is false.
So that claim does not bother me but in your opinion from what you know of history. Is that even a true claim?
No, no repeating hoping and yet anything done.
Exodus and especially since they have a set of beliefs just like a religion does that they militantly quote quote evangelize others to believe and they. Wouldn't you say that atheism has really all of the elements of a religion except it's just a false religion and it has A key element of not believing in the existence of God, but having a belief about God even would include you in a religion.
Oh, yeah, I mean especially the whole new atheist movement. They have yeah, that's one of the things that you clearly bring out in the documentary.
The gentleman. Who played one. The first Darren on bewitched? I can't remember the actor's name. Yes, right. He was in. He was in that movie.
Yeah, how long with Spencer. Tracy and Fred are called Aiken's distant cousin of yours.
Yeah, Wow.
Well, we are gonna go to our first break right now. And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own about atheism. Or about this documentary specifically the atheist illusion our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.
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We are now back with Jason Wallace pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah. We are discussing his documentary the atheist illusion and our email address. If you have a question for him is Chris Arnsen at gmail .com.
Chris Arnsen at gmail .com. Now just to get some definitions, correct? Can you tell us the difference between an agnostic and an atheist? Well, I've heard I've even heard from Bill Maher that he calls himself an agnostic which is in his mind doubting the existence of God rather than an atheist who knows for certain that God does not exist because he said Has said that to claim to be an atheist is a claim to know all things.
Would that be an accurate statement by Bill Maher one of the few accurate statements by Bill Maher?
Whenever they try to make any trick to make to know anything for you you. You I mean most people and you get people like Dan Barker who the ninety nine point nine nine nine nine seven. I don't know anything with any sort of any idea of now.
Wasn't that a highlight in the debate that you? Featured a part of the debate. Very short clip of the debate that you featured in your documentary with our mutual friends.
Ten Bruggen. Kate's the presupposition was Christian. Yes. Yes an arm typical Christian. No, you were you were reading about typical Christians. You were the 80 you were you were the voice of You you were the voice of an atheist, right?
But um, but yeah back to and I can. Bruce keeps pressing. Right, you know, it's in their minds. Right, I mean basically Atheism and they right if they were merely.
Atheists, which by the way, would you agree that because of what we read in Romans one? There really is no such thing as an atheist. Oh, definitely.
Sorry does a brilliant job because nature reveals to all men that God exists.
It doesn't give us enough information to know the gospel. But it gives us enough enough information to condemn us if we reject God.
Yes, my favorite clip and oh, that's the British television and radio program that actually I was on as well. Right, and I apologize to the host. His name just went out of my head Pete.
Justin Briarley.
Yes, Justin Briarley asked Peter Atkins plea based on the a choose and they come to their Predetermined conclusion. He said maybe if that appears the stars here. And he would say.
One of the things I was going to say that I got. I sidetracked myself when I Forget. I can't even remember what's what what I sidetracked anyway. Atheists and atheism would really not pose.
A.
Christianity or even the Population of the world at large it wouldn't really pose a threat to us at all. If atheists just simply denied the existence of God and their personal Ideology and went on To mind their own business and went about their lives.
The only harm they would be doing primarily was to themselves and perhaps to their children. But the fact that they really are a religion Whether they call it that or not. That is really why they pose a threat not that they pose a threat to the Church of Jesus Christ, which will remain forever Until Christ himself returns and brings us into heaven with him.
But it does.
Pose a threat to the thinking of people it is because of the aggressiveness of and the dogmatism with which they treat their audiology, which has no distinction between A religion and what they claim is just a personal denial of God.
Yes.
Yeah, I remember hearing that in your documentary, right?
Well, they get up there and they say these things, but they don't live that way, right?
I don't they have to borrow from our worldview. Oh, most definitely. I mean steel from.
Exactly. Well, there there's an absurdity to it all they they try to take they try to take induction the idea that there's a reason thinking that led to and only with science a Reasoning is based on presupposition.
If you if you want and how do you know sciences? It deals only with magnificent method is God and the solar image. They don't. They suppress the the absurdity of their position. But there is an active evil put themselves in his and we'd go through and we talk when.
Right, and we have to go to our midway break right now.
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Okay? This question is great show brothers Chris and Jason. I know Dan Barker and others claim to Claim to having been Christians before becoming an atheist. About what? Perfect of Atheists, do you think.
I'm not sure what he's trying to say here about what perfect of atheists. Do you think now claim? I think he meant to say per percentage. About what percentage of atheists do you think now claim to have been Christians?
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Now I just have some Important announcements to make regarding special events that I hope as many of you as possible will attend. The first is involving a conference Featuring my dear friend. Dr. Tony Costa professor of apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary this is a conference conducted by PTI which stands for Providence Theological Institute and Dr. Tony Costa will be conducting this seminar or conference at the Church at Friendship in Hockley, Texas and I hope that if you live in that area, especially you make every effort to attend and If you are able to take a train plane or automobile out to see him in Hockley, Texas, it will be well worth your while.
Hearing dr. Tony Costa speak. If you want more information on that, you could just send me an email to Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com and I will give you all the information that you need to attend this conference.
And that's going to be held August 2nd through the 5th 2019 that's a Friday through Thursday at the That the the Church at Friendship the Church at Friendship in Hockley, Texas. Then I am going to be packing up my bags in December.
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At the Georgia International Convention Center, which is Specifically in College Park, Georgia, which is in which is a suburb of Atlanta. I Am so excited about this conference as I always am the speakers are always extraordinary.
The lineup is always breathtakingly long and amazing. The lineup includes Kosti hen. Who yes, if you recognize that name hen he is believe it or not the nephew of the notorious charlatan and heretic Benny hen and Kosti doesn't mind me saying that because a great part of his ministry is spent exposing his own uncle and all of those heretics within the word-of-faith movement as Being the dangerous and deadly and damning liars.
They are. Kosti is not only a reformed Baptist pastor in California now. He's also a cessationist and he is spending much of his ministry exposing the word-of-faith Heresy and warning people about it he had a number of years ago repented of that heresy that he was raised in and As I said is not not only a reformed Baptist today, but a cessationist so Kosti hens on the lineup.
Daryl Bernard Harrison. Really gifted writer. I've never heard him speak yet. I'm looking forward to he is now on the staff. Just recently added staff to John MacArthur's grace to you ministry David Miller.
What a wonderful preacher. He is Derek Thomas Who is surely known to the vast majority of reformed listeners? What an extraordinary writer and preacher and teacher he is my friend mutual friend of my guest Jason Wallace and mine Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries is on the lineup Dr. Joel Beakey president of Puritan Reform Theological Seminary and the list goes on but as you just heard moments ago When Todd Friel and Phil Johnson were doing their advertisement for the g3 conference John MacArthur has been added to the roster.
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Chris Arns in at gmail .com and we had as you may remember pastor Jason Wallace a question from Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina. Who wants to know if you are aware of what percentage today of atheists, especially obviously the apologists.
How many of them what percentage of them claims to have once been Christians. Bart Ehrman clearly? Bart Ehrman in fact. Bart Ehrman if you see.
Bart Ehrman like for instance. As you may know There are cable networks that during Christmas and Easter especially they will air documentaries on Jesus some aspect of Jesus's life and typically for networks that despise the Bible and despise the actual Jesus of the Bible they will have agnostics and atheists.
Primarily featured in these documentaries, they'll have agnostics atheists and Tim Keller and.
What's his name? NT Wright. On these documentaries, but they will have Bart Ehrman featured on these and if you don't know who Bart Ehrman is You might mistakenly think he is actually a Christian because he believes that Jesus as a man actually existed and he.
When he is referring to archaeology and things like that, you might be deceived into thinking he's a Christian. I mean he was a Christian and was professor Metzger's pride and joy, he thought that this Bart Ehrman was going to be a rising star in the evangelical Christian movement, etc.
Am I right on that?
Yeah, and right now we're we're trying to make an earnest plea to Muslims right now. I want to do one called to bring together and becoming.
Really? I didn't know that.
11 years after she died he started more like they see that the more found me worthy of hell could be nothing But a heartless and evil monster worthy of disdain and rebellion. Wow.
By the way, I've heard Armenians say that about Calvinists any God who selects some of humanity and overlooks Others and condemns them to hell is that same monstrous God that they that you just described?
Yeah.
Unbelief comes and it's just it to me. It's just they they have a vape here in Utah. We're saying atheism and they keep reading couldn't change it because it was morphing into honestly the Episcopal Church in terms of huh? when people Mormonism Great great way of putting it and they think they're gonna be supermen of their own.
That's like.
They believe in something similar to even though they probably wouldn't describe it themselves this way, but no theism. There are greater gods Amongst the sea the the infinite sea of other gods.
Yeah, but I mean the old line Mormons would even say that they don't worship JC. Jesus is different. Wow, and so. You know, the funny thing is it's really not that different Atheism they bring in their exile, by the way.
Speaking of Richard Dawkins. This is a good segue. I am going to play a clip from your Video your documentary that should make a any person with a conscience That should make their skin crawl a very disgusting and nauseating and monstrous Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Peter Singer of Princeton University two renowned atheists and this is as I said a clip from your documentary and I want you to Give your commentary after this clip is completed.
So Here we are with the clip of the Rick Richard Dawkins interview with Peter Singer of Princeton University.
So I think you must be one of the most moral people in the world. You certainly got one of the most logically thought-out ethical positions in the world and yet precisely because of its logical Consistency you seem to get a lot of flack coming from two quite different directions.
Well, that's certainly true on the one hand. I'm critical of the attitudes that people Most people in society have towards animals. I think that we don't Take in the interests of animals seriously enough and in a way I think it's an implication of Darwinism that we should take them more seriously or at least that it breaks down some of the barriers that have Separated us from animals.
But on the other hand because I don't think that humans are special just in virtue of being a member of the species homo sapien I think that if you have humans who are for example severely damaged at birth That it's not wrong to end their lives.
So I think that in some cases Human beings don't have a right to life. Because there they don't have the possibility of having a worthwhile and meaningful life. And so of course I get flack from conservative moralists and conservative Christians from that perspective.
Well that seems to me to be completely Logically consistent. What about infanticide? Morally I Strictly morally I can see no objection to that at all. I would be in favor of infanticide, but but I think I would worry about I think I would wish at least to give consideration To the person who says well, where does it end?
And I know that Ingrid Newkirk who's the? Head of people for the ethical treatment of animals has actually said that she would like Her body to be eaten. She's making a statement by that When she dies that that she would like her friends to barbecue her because she's trying to make the point I guess that this is no not so different from what people do in fact It's morally better.
Steve Gould once once speculated about the possibility of a hybrid between humans and chimps. And he added that he could think of no experiment that would be more immoral to do. I couldn't get that I mean it seemed to me that it might be a very moral thing to do precisely because it would have the effect of breaking the barrier of The wall around around homo sapiens.
Quite quite remarkable quite chilling. Revealing the evil hearts of these men. I think that you could have readily heard this same discussion in a documentary one of those Films that we have seen that the Nazis Used to create and I believe that they often in Nazi Germany would play these these Films that they created before movies in the movie theater that the general populace would see defending things like so-called mercy killing of the mentally retarded and disabled and Deformed and so on.
But but if you could comment on this because it's it's really Bone chillingly grotesque and I think a lot of people if you if they hadn't heard These things coming from the mouths of these prominent atheists.
They would tell you that you're lying.
Yeah, we've in the video because and he just but when he gets pressed he didn't miss it. Yeah, it really was connected saying yes. He says yes, it's valued in the life of a pig. You're not human. There's no point in great hero like Dan Barker says.
But then you come around to the I to do to create human a hybrids for a number of reasons. But why did I didn't know that? Oh, yeah, one of the few historical. Yeah, he he wanted to create a.
In fact, I know that there were bodybuilders that were using gorilla hormone at one point. Yeah, so.
Stalin did this but part of it also we give direct quotations and we give for atheism. Now he backed up from he created the League of Motivation and right we have to get to our final break right now.
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Especially atheists. Would it be the presuppositional list model or the.
Evidentialist model. I think in general this idea that deal in this video and Idea that it and whenever I have a presuppositional list such as yourself on my show.
I have to remind our listeners that there are great men of God Both living and in heaven who were evidentialist such as RC Sproul and John Gerstner. But now both in eternity with Christ. They even wrote a book on evidentialist apologetics.
So just to throw that in there, even though I agree with you on I am a presuppositionalist myself.
But I thought I thought that I just include that there and I have great respect for both men. I mean, well, they're presuppositionalists now.
I want to make sure. Yeah, they're members of the Free Presbyterian Church of North America which predominantly practices credo baptism. Well, anyway, we are out of time now. I want to make sure that our listeners have not only your church's website But the website for the documentary first of all gospel Org is the website for Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna, Utah gospel Utah Gospel, Utah org.
If you could give us the website again for the atheist illusion. Atheism video atheism video. Thank you so much. Pastor. Jason Wallace. I look forward to your return to iron trumpet Zion radio. Perhaps we could even continue on the same subject or anything else You'd like to discuss.
I want to thank everybody who listened and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives That Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.