July 15, 2019 Show with Jason Wallace on “The Atheist Illusion”

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His name is Jason Wallace. He is pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah a congregation in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church denomination. He is also a documentarian a producer of LDS dot video.

He has produced videos not only on the Mormons but on Roman Catholicism on Homosexuality and Atheism and today we are going to be discussing his latest documentary, which is absolutely superb. I strongly urge you to get this documentary into the hands of Everybody, you know, especially young people.

Millennials college students and so on because of the barrage of falsehoods. They are no doubt going to be hearing Wherever they go whether it's a college campus or just hanging out with friends. But the documentary is called the atheist illusion and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio my dear friend pastor Jason Wallace Praise God.

Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna, Utah

Well before we go into our topic the documentary the atheist illusion. Please tell our listeners about Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah.

We're a. I'm sorry, I thought that your church was Presbyterian.

Amen now Ogden correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Ogden even more heavily saturated with Mormon residents than the Salt Lake City area. Where you are?

Not not really. I mean Ogden has always had. Okay.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well if anybody is Visiting Magna, Utah the Salt Lake City area where they live there already or you have family friends and loved ones that live there You want to direct them to a good solid Bible believing church.

Go to? Www .gospelutah .org. Gospelutah .org. And hopefully I will remember to repeat that later on in the broadcast. By the way very important. Piece of trivia. I don't know if that's an oxymoron important trivia.

But anyway, our mutual friend that means Jason Wallace's mutual friend with me. Dr James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries does make fairly regular trips out to Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah to put on conferences and so on and has done so for quite a number of years.

Yeah, he has been great now.

How did you get involved in making documentaries. Because you do and I'm not just saying this because of my frequently heard voice on your documentaries. Sometimes I need to hire a medium to conjure up these voices of evil people to be a part of your your documentaries.

I am kidding folks.

But.

Your documentaries are absolutely superb, I mean if I were to see Your documentaries on a major Television network. I would not hesitate to think that there was anything less than professional quality.

Going on with your documentaries It would. The only thing that might be different about your documentaries is that the truth was heard from beginning to end. So I might be surprised by that if I saw them on major television networks, but They are absolutely the the finest in Documentaries I've seen and so tell us how you got involved in these documentaries.

Chris before you give that I just want to give a shout out to images and yes.

And Russ has been a longtime listener to I am sharpens on radio as well.

Yeah, he is a good brother. How we got into this times. Yes, the great-granddaughter of Brigham Young. Yeah.

There might there might be a couple of extra greats in there. But yeah, I.

Think you. I think she's great great. One of the reasons I have now. I used to have live call-ins now.

I have live email questions.

That we figure that out on but I realized very long and made seven other videos some atheism.

Shame that and I've heard that about other cults as well. You mentioned something before before we go into the specific topic of atheism and the atheist illusion documentary. You mentioned the Mountain Meadows Massacre a lot of people might not be familiar with that event.

But if I'm not mistaken, and I've been mistaken before just as I was a few minutes ago. I believe the Mountain Meadows Massacre Was the largest massacre on American soil of American citizens? Before 9-eleven, I'm not 100 sure that that's correct, but I think it is true.

Do you know if what I just said is actually a fact.

I've heard that claim. There's some were travelers on their way.

I think to California perhaps or somewhere out west and when they were traveling through Utah the Mormons believed they were Spies for the government or something nonsensical. Was it am I right on that?

Partially, I mean Brigham Young when when the Mormons moved here in 1847 to antagonize the federal government. Finally Buchanan the shedding of blood according to Mormons is necessary.

For Salvation in regard to certain sins like murder and so on. Yeah, right, which is why even until recently in history Utah was one of the few states that continued to practice the firing squad for the execution of Those on death row because of the blood that would be shed.

And I don't have. Did they still do that. If you request it.

As far as I know, I think they they got rid of it a few years together.

I remember Gary Gilmore requested it. He was a death row and he was a Mormon at least. I don't know if that was like one of those foxhole conversions or what it was, but.

Yeah, he killed and.

The.

Ironically the Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred also on September 11th. Yep in 1857 I believe. Correct. That's quite a quote quote coincidence. But one of the reasons I think it's very applicable to discuss not only the Mountain Meadows Massacre, but 9 -11 and other things in a segue into atheism is because one of the Parts of one of the very well-known and often used elements of atheistic rhetoric is that more people have been Killed on the face of the earth in the name of religion than for any other reason.

Now, let me let me start off by saying when I hear that I don't get as nearly indignant as Some Christians or conservative religious people get because I know there is only one true religion the religion of Christianity.

And.

Even though there have been many like the Church of Rome and so on who have masqueraded as Christians who have committed atrocities on a grand scale massive scale I know the true biblical Christianity is the only true religion and that all the religion is false.

So that claim does not bother me but in your opinion from what you know of history. Is that even a true claim?

No, no repeating hoping and yet anything done.

Atheism as a False Religion

Exodus and especially since they have a set of beliefs just like a religion does that they militantly quote quote evangelize others to believe and they. Wouldn't you say that atheism has really all of the elements of a religion except it's just a false religion and it has A key element of not believing in the existence of God, but having a belief about God even would include you in a religion.

Oh, yeah, I mean especially the whole new atheist movement. They have yeah, that's one of the things that you clearly bring out in the documentary.

The gentleman. Who played one. The first Darren on bewitched? I can't remember the actor's name. Yes, right. He was in. He was in that movie.

Yeah, how long with Spencer. Tracy and Fred are called Aiken's distant cousin of yours.

Yeah, Wow.

Well, we are gonna go to our first break right now. And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own about atheism. Or about this documentary specifically the atheist illusion our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Chris Arnsen at gmail .com. Now just to get some definitions, correct? Can you tell us the difference between an agnostic and an atheist? Well, I've heard I've even heard from Bill Maher that he calls himself an agnostic which is in his mind doubting the existence of God rather than an atheist who knows for certain that God does not exist because he said Has said that to claim to be an atheist is a claim to know all things.

Would that be an accurate statement by Bill Maher one of the few accurate statements by Bill Maher?

Whenever they try to make any trick to make to know anything for you you. You I mean most people and you get people like Dan Barker who the ninety nine point nine nine nine nine seven. I don't know anything with any sort of any idea of now.

Wasn't that a highlight in the debate that you? Featured a part of the debate. Very short clip of the debate that you featured in your documentary with our mutual friends.

Ten Bruggen. Kate's the presupposition was Christian. Yes. Yes an arm typical Christian. No, you were you were reading about typical Christians. You were the 80 you were you were the voice of You you were the voice of an atheist, right?

But um, but yeah back to and I can. Bruce keeps pressing. Right, you know, it's in their minds. Right, I mean basically Atheism and they right if they were merely.

Atheists, which by the way, would you agree that because of what we read in Romans one? There really is no such thing as an atheist. Oh, definitely.

Sorry does a brilliant job because nature reveals to all men that God exists.

It doesn't give us enough information to know the gospel. But it gives us enough enough information to condemn us if we reject God.

Yes, my favorite clip and oh, that's the British television and radio program that actually I was on as well. Right, and I apologize to the host. His name just went out of my head Pete.

Justin Briarley.

Yes, Justin Briarley asked Peter Atkins plea based on the a choose and they come to their Predetermined conclusion. He said maybe if that appears the stars here. And he would say.

One of the things I was going to say that I got. I sidetracked myself when I Forget. I can't even remember what's what what I sidetracked anyway. Atheists and atheism would really not pose.

A.

Christianity or even the Population of the world at large it wouldn't really pose a threat to us at all. If atheists just simply denied the existence of God and their personal Ideology and went on To mind their own business and went about their lives.

The only harm they would be doing primarily was to themselves and perhaps to their children. But the fact that they really are a religion Whether they call it that or not. That is really why they pose a threat not that they pose a threat to the Church of Jesus Christ, which will remain forever Until Christ himself returns and brings us into heaven with him.

But it does.

Pose a threat to the thinking of people it is because of the aggressiveness of and the dogmatism with which they treat their audiology, which has no distinction between A religion and what they claim is just a personal denial of God.

Yes.

Yeah, I remember hearing that in your documentary, right?

Well, they get up there and they say these things, but they don't live that way, right?

I don't they have to borrow from our worldview. Oh, most definitely. I mean steel from.

Exactly. Well, there there's an absurdity to it all they they try to take they try to take induction the idea that there's a reason thinking that led to and only with science a Reasoning is based on presupposition.

If you if you want and how do you know sciences? It deals only with magnificent method is God and the solar image. They don't. They suppress the the absurdity of their position. But there is an active evil put themselves in his and we'd go through and we talk when.

Right, and we have to go to our midway break right now.

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Okay? This question is great show brothers Chris and Jason. I know Dan Barker and others claim to Claim to having been Christians before becoming an atheist. About what? Perfect of Atheists, do you think.

I'm not sure what he's trying to say here about what perfect of atheists. Do you think now claim? I think he meant to say per percentage. About what percentage of atheists do you think now claim to have been Christians?

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