July 31, 2017 Show with Dr. Stan Gale on “The Prayer of Jehoshaphat: Seeing Beyond Life’s Storms” AND “The Writing Pastor”

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of July, July 31st, 2017, and I am delighted to have

as a returning guest today someone who is certainly one of my favorite guests, Dr. Stanley D.

Gale.

He is pastor of discipleship at Iron Works Church of Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, which

is a congregation within the Presbyterian Church in America.

He's also the author of What is Spiritual Warfare and Why Do We Pray? and he's

founder and director of Community Houses of Prayer.

Today we are discussing one of his books, The Prayer of Jehoshaphat, Seeing Beyond Life's

Storms, and during the second hour, we're going to be addressing the theme, The Writing Pastor.

For all of you pastors out there who are either aspiring authors or you already

are an author or at least have written things that have yet to be published.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Stanley D. Gale.

I do as well, and in studio with me is my co -host, the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

Hello once again, it's good to be on.

Who is also an aspiring author and has a book in the works.

Actually right now on eschatology.

That's correct.

Why don't you briefly, before we even go into our topic for the first hour, Reverend Buzz, why don't

you tell our listeners a little bit about the book that you're working on.

Well, it's a much bigger undertaking than I expected it to be.

I guess anybody who's written would probably say the same thing, but it started as a series of lectures years ago, and

I just kept adding to it and adding to it, and I finally decided, well, this needs to get out, so

I'm putting it in book form.

But I'm still in the process of expanding it because there's a lot more research to do, and

I'm making good progress, but there's so much to do that I have no idea when it's going to be

finished.

So, in other words, when this book actually goes out in print,.

Jesus will have returned.

Or the book cover will say, In Loving Memory of the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

I'll have to change all the dates that I set in it.

But, well, we will have updates, God willing, in the weeks, months, and

possibly years to come.

Well, I have a goal, so I mean, I want to finish it this year.

Alrighty.

Well, the first hour is on a topic

that is something that will obviously be of meaning to anybody,

whether they're a Christian or not a Christian who may be listening to this program, and

that is Seeing Beyond Life's Storms.

The actual title is The Prayer of Jehoshaphat.

And before we even go into that title and that theme, what

was the catalyst that led you to write this book?

I have a sneaky suspicion that it may have been that you wanted to give a biblically orthodox response to the

prayer of Jabez, but I might be wrong.

Something just occurred to me, brother, that I never noticed before.

I don't know if anybody ever has told you this, but you sound somewhat like Tom Brokaw.

I have heard that before.

I was teaching in Belgium one time, and then evidently that was the...

In fact, I would love it if sometime you could record a little segment that I

could air throughout my broadcast from time to time saying, This is Tom Brokaw, and you're listening to Iron Germans,

Iron Radio.

I don't know if that would be good or bad for my audience.

But I'm going to give our audience our email address right now.

It is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail

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beyond life's storms.

And please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

And this topic automatically lends itself to the possibility of people asking

about personal and private matters that would compel them not to identify themselves.

And I understand that, and you may remain anonymous if such is the case.

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I want to read the prayer of Jehoshaphat, and then you can give us the

context in which this prayer was said.

And the prayer is found in 2 Chronicles 20, verses 6 through 13.

O Lord, the God of our fathers, are you not God in the heavens?

And are you not ruler over all the kingdoms of the nations?

Power and might are in your hands so that no one can stand against you.

Did you not, O our God, drive out the inhabitants of this land before your

people Israel and give it to the descendants of Abraham, your friend forever?

They have lived in it and have built you a sanctuary there for your name, saying, Should

evil come upon us, the sword or judgment, or pestilence or famine, we will stand before

this house and before you, for your name is in this house, and cry to you in our

distress, and you will hear and deliver us.

Now behold the sons of Ammon and Moab and Mount Seir, whom you did not let Israel

invade when they came out of the land of Egypt.

They turned aside from them and did not destroy them.

See how they are rewarding us by coming to drive us out from your possession, which

you have given us as an inheritance.

O our God, will you not judge them?

For we are powerless before this great multitude who are coming against us, nor do we know what to do,

but our eyes are on you.

If you could give us the context surrounding that very powerful prayer.

The context

is,

bring the

camera, people, what?

Now, I'm assuming that you are applying the lessons

learned from this story, this historical

account in 2 Chronicles.

You are desiring that listeners in the 21st century and readers in the 21st century apply

these lessons to their lives today.

Before we give you some time to give us those applications to everyday life,

when those of our listeners are facing what seem to be insurmountable

trials.

Not only as individuals, but as groups, as families, as churches, as

nations.

Do we not need to be very cautious when we apply biblical

stories to our own lives, to current events that are surrounding us?

Not that there aren't lessons to be learned in nearly every page in the scripture

for what we are going through today, personally or nationally.

But sometimes people misapply stories in the scriptures,

historical accounts, and they come up with all kinds of bizarre

conclusions when they do that.

Sometimes eschatologically or sometimes they develop sometimes even heretical

ideas.

Sometimes people will view the United States of America with the same kinds

of blessings promised to the nation of Israel or even the current day

nation of Israel in the Middle East.

They will make it synonymous with the Israel that existed in the Old Covenant and so on.

If you could just give us some words of caution, if you believe that that is indeed the case, if you agree with what I'm

saying.

I agree.

God,

why he

would think

that...

I'm not thinking in terms of any kind of...

There

are

certain

things

that

we

can...

Yeah, and very often people seem to thrive on the notion that they can

apply biblical accounts to current events,

stories on the news, because it keeps them excited.

And in their minds, this is the way we prove to the world that

the scriptures are indeed true and inerrant.

And they feel excited that they are involved in the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, so they think,

by running to a headline in the news and basically applying it to

something, to some scriptural account.

And, of course, that has been going on for centuries.

Even in the current past two centuries, the 20th century and the one that we're in now,

you had Hitler and so on.

If anybody would seem to be fulfilling some kind of a biblical prophecy of the Antichrist or something

like that, or the Beast of Revelation, you might immediately think, wow, who else could it be?

It must be Hitler.

Look what he's doing, or look what he has done, and so on.

But that thing can go on and on, and that is an unfortunate

fact that people seem to thrive on that as a necessity to believe in the inerrancy of scriptures,

isn't it?

Well, it sounds to me like...

They're all answers, right?

That is not my approach.

It leaves too many unanswered questions, too, because if I'm supposed to interpret the Bible by the news, I don't know if it's Fox or CNN.

Well, I think it involves both, because the Bible does say, and even now you have many Antichrists among

you.

But anyway, if you could apply some of the

lessons to be learned from this story of Jehoshaphat that we can rightly apply

to our own lives when we are going through trials, and as you have even given us

the subtitle to your book, Seeing Beyond Life's Storms, how can we see beyond life's storms

using this chapter of the Scriptures in 2 Chronicles as a guideline?

James,

and

extended

by

his...

We remind these things, because sometimes when

we're in trial...

I'm going to start taking some of our listener questions now.

Let's see here.

We have John in Simsbury, Connecticut.

And I have to enlarge John's font on his email, because it's microscopic.

And let's see here.

John says, How do we discern the difference from spiritual warfare and the problems we create for

ourselves?

Hmm.

That's John in Simsbury, Connecticut.

You

bring

this

in

my life.

One and two, God...

And then in

Genesis 4, he

did

not

bring

his...

Amen.

Well, thank you, John, for an excellent question.

And thank you also for providing us your mailing address in Simsbury, Connecticut, where we are

going to be mailing you a free copy of the book that we are discussing for the first hour,

The Prayer of Jehoshaphat, Seeing Beyond Life's Storms, by our guest, Dr. Stanley D. Gale.

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And we will get to as many of you who are already waiting to have your questions asked and answered as

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We have Daniel in San Jose, California.

And his question is, Can you ask Dr. Gale to explain the

severity of a healthy prayer life, as well as where our minds need to be

focused before we pray?

Not just praying so nonchalantly.

And then he has a second question that I will address after you address the first one.

Nothing is impossible.

And the second question that we have from Daniel in San Jose,

California is, let's see, I lost it here.

Oh, here it is.

We often pray for the things we think we need in life.

But shouldn't we be praying for God's will to be done in our lives first, namely pursuing holiness,

growing in a wider and deeper love for Christ?

I'm

not

sure

it's a

first

in Christ.

In

fact,

let me

mention

one

other

thing,

crying

out

to

God to

continue

to pray.

Amen.

And I don't know if you would agree with me, Dr. Gale, but I might want to highly recommend to our

listeners, and perhaps even specifically the listener that wrote the question, a book

called The Valley of Vision, a collection of Puritan prayers and devotions by Arthur Bennett, which is

published by The Banner of Truth.

And I don't believe that Christians should ever mechanically and artificially recite

prayers, even the prayer that is known as the Lord's Prayer or lesser known

as the Disciples Prayer, the Our Father, as it's probably most commonly known,

especially those of people in like, for instance, the Roman Catholic Church and perhaps some of the

more liturgical Protestant churches very often recite that prayer

like the prayer of the pagans and repetitiously without meaning, without even thought to what the words

are.

So I'm not suggesting that you would use a book like The Valley of Vision in that manner, but don't you think that a book like that might help

educate people what they may or what they should include in their prayers, basically

kind of like a blueprint to move on from there after you've learned what other great

folks, great brothers and sisters in Christ, have prayed in the past?

The Valley of Vision is excellent.

And

sometimes

we

are...

And while I would not want to accuse our listener who asked the question, Daniel, in say,

San Jose, California of this, but there could

be people that want to appear to be pious

and say that our prayers should only be involving or praying for more

holiness and deeper love for Christ and neglect the fact that we should

be certainly praying for every one of our needs and that our needs are not trivial in

the eyes or ears of God or in the mind and heart of God, that there is nothing

wrong with approaching Him for our personal physical needs, our monetary needs, and

the needs that are involved in our emotions and when we're going through depression and all kinds of things.

Isn't that a genuine part of our daily prayer life?

I certainly think so.

I appreciate Daniel's question.

Praying for the needs.

One

of

the

things,

a

summer

resort,

and

then

you...

Amen.

Well, Daniel, in San Jose, California, you have won a free copy

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Let's see.

We have Joe in Slovenia who says,.

It seems to me that a strong underlying basis for Jehoshaphat's prayer is his settled belief

in God's absolute sovereignty.

How should we pray back to God His promises to us appropriately?

And let me pray with a greater... Let me read that back, I should say, with a greater emphasis.

How should we pray back to God His promises to us appropriately?

What would our prayers look like if we prayed in our day based on faith in God's complete

sovereignty over all of life?

Thanks for ministering to Christ's body around the world.

That's Joe in Slovenia.

Well, that's a great thing that God's knowledge of God's sovereignty is

saying that

there is purpose.

God meets us according to His needs.

We want to be attentive.

Amen.

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What words of encouragement would you offer from the Scriptures to someone like myself who has gone

through the tragedy of suicide of a close relative who professed Christ as

Savior and Lord?

Could you read that again?

What words of encouragement would you offer from the Scriptures to someone like myself who has

gone through the tragedy of suicide of a close relative who professed Christ as

Savior and Lord?

Well, that last part of the question obviously gives great hope, but

obviously there are a lot of controversies involved in someone who is regenerate

committing that act.

But if you could respond to the best of your ability to Gordy's question.

We reject God, but that's

not what God's intention

is, that these

things

are not bound by

His knowledge.

But then

one

of

the

beauties...

In fact, if you could pick up right where you left off there when we return from our break.

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our second topic for the day, which we

will soon be starting after we conclude, as I said, the previous subject.

Now, if you could, Dr. Gale, pick up right where you left off before we took the break.

Gordy's.

Amen.

And I'm going to take one last question on the previous topic that we launched the program

today with, seeing beyond life's storms.

Well, it's not really related to that specifically, but it's more in line with that than the second topic.

We have Osinachi in Lagos, Nigeria, who says, thank you for this

topic.

Anyone familiar with the African Christian scene would know that this is a hot issue because of the animism

and voodoo that is often practiced.

Would your guest please shed more light on how the topic of demonology should be addressed with

respect to spiritual warfare?

That's a two -hour program on its own, but perhaps the best is you can summarize that.

Wow.

Because

I

really

alter

that,

Michael

Fappe.

Wow.

And Banner of Truth, again, I'm plugging them a lot today.

Banner of Truth also has an excellent book by Patrick

Leahy.

I don't know if you've heard of that, Dr. Gale, but I remember I had wanted

to interview Frederick Leahy.

I wanted to interview Frederick for the longest time when I was broadcasting out of New York, but he has since

gone home to be with the Lord before I had the opportunity to get him on the program.

But Frederick Leahy has a book called Satan Cast

Out, a study in biblical demonology, and that's published by Banner of

Truth.

And we also, I have interviewed a Lutheran,

a Missouri Synod Lutheran scholar on this subject.

He has written a couple of books on this area.

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Robert H. Bennett is the author, and you can get that through Concordia Publishing House.

And he wrote another book as well on that same issue.

And I think the other book is called Afraid, as opposed to I Am Not Afraid.

Yes, because all too often we who are Reformed, unfortunately, I think,

are embarrassed to discuss things like that because they're sensationalistic, or they can be, and they can be mishandled by the

charismatic movement, and they can be spoken about in an

unbiblical or even a heretical way.

And so sometimes we Calvinists tend to shy away from things like this, but they are biblical issues that I

think relate to today.

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Well, now let's move to the second topic of the day, the writing pastor.

Obviously, you are a writing pastor.

That would be obviously a key to why you wanted to discuss this today, but any other

catalyst behind your wanting to address this topic today?

And obviously, the Lord has opened up

many opportunities that didn't exist before for men who believed that

they had a gift and an insight and an authority and a subject to write a book.

It was much more difficult, not even five to ten years ago, for a

pastor to get a book published because of the long line ahead of them by people who

are already well -known and are selling very well.

For an unknown pastor to approach one of the major publishers and actually successfully get

something published has been a very difficult and rare thing to come to fruition.

And also, combined with that, the self -publishing world not so long ago,

the products produced by that realm were very amateurish -looking.

You could immediately spot, very often, a self -published work because it looked—

the covers were really horrible, the binding was bad, the typesets were bad.

But in this day and age, you have books coming out that actually compete with the best of

Christian publishers.

Right.

One of the

things about—in

many

ways, a

pastor is

30 people.

Yeah, and the flip side of the coin is that it makes the duty of the Christian even more

difficult to be discerning than what to buy, because you can have people that are totally unqualified easily

cranking out books that are looking very professional and sharp

and very attractive, and yet the contents are very dangerous.

But that's been going on even with major publishers anyway.

Yeah, I

like

the idea.

I

like

that.

Right.

Obviously, as a talk show host, and having very specific

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen.

This is the final half hour of our interview with Dr. Stanley D. Gale, and we

started off the program with the prayer of Jehoshaphat, seeing beyond life's storms.

In the second hour, we entered into a discussion on the writing pastor, and if you don't

mind, Dr. Gale, I have a first -time listener whose email arrived

just moments ago after we had concluded our first discussion.

If you don't mind, I'll ask this one last question about seeing beyond life's storms, if that's okay with you.

Sure.

Especially since he's a first -time listener.

Josiah in Isanti, Minnesota.

I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right.

Isanti, Isanti, Minnesota.

Hey, Chris, thank you for your faithful ministry with Iron Sharp and Zion Radio.

My friend brought your program to my attention in April.

I have been greatly encouraged to be able to listen to your show via podcast as I spend a lot of time driving for my

work.

My question for Stan, my brother lost his first child 17 days after

his birth.

He and his wife had been wanting and trying to have kids for several years.

Now two years later, God blessed them with a beautiful and healthy baby girl, which we are so grateful for.

However, they are still mourning not having their son with them.

They are believers and trust in the sovereignty of God.

How can I best love and encourage them while they are still mourning the loss of their child?

Thank you for your ministry and advice in this matter.

And he says that he increased the font on his email so I wouldn't comment that it was microscopic.

Thank you.

But if you could respond to Josiah's very sensitive and important question.

Everything to God and pour out

their

heart.

It's a matter of laying on it just like the prayer of Joshua.

Well, thank you, Josiah.

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possible.

And we have now a question from the topic that we are officially addressing in the

second hour, the writing pastor.

Murray in Kinross, Scotland says,.

As both a writer and a pastor, do you find it easier to divide up your day in an ordered,

disciplined way?

For example, never being seen out of your study before lunch, never being seen in it

after lunch, or do you find it easier to only give time to writing when there is a creative

spark and maybe leave yourself available for shepherd care and visitation

as needs arise any time of day?

Some people,

some writer friends

of

mine, they

are ahead.

Sometimes

you

just

hit

an

end at

this

stage.

I can say I know personally that Buzz has done a lot of research because he has not only

books on the subject by reliable and sound sources, but he also has a ton of the

books by the more bizarre authors in order to contrast truth from error.

And you also, I think, especially when you're writing, if you're going public with anything like

that, you've got to be extremely careful not to misrepresent your opposition.

In fact, I have a question from CJ from Lindenhurst, Long

Island, New York, who says, Do you not place great importance on footnotes,

especially when you are writing something other than fiction or something that

might be more devotional?

Aren't footnotes very important as to reveal the authenticity and reliability of the book you are

writing?

Contracts.

Yes.

Well, I want to make sure that before we run out of time, before I take any more listener questions, that you

specifically address other areas that you most want our pastors

listening who are either authors or aspiring authors, what you most want them to remember before the program ends.

There

are so

many

different

things not

to neglect.

I'm

reading a

book,

and

I

love

mysteries.

Now, don't you think that it's also wise for aspiring

authors not to attempt to reinvent the wheel?

Unless they have some kind of an insight that hasn't been addressed by another author, they really should

not be writing a book on a specific subject that has been published,

perhaps even exhaustively in great length, and has very thoroughly and biblically and

accurately addressed the issue.

To address it just because it's your own words might be an unwise step, wouldn't you say?

That's

kind of

a

tricky

question.

Yeah, we interviewed you on that.

Yeah, and there are other books.

Why should this?

I was convinced that I had

it.

Yeah, well, you just said something key, though.

You said something key there, though.

You said you had something to say that could be added to the topic.

Yes, but then sometimes, though, I look

for books

within, too.

Yes.

Do you

think I

should give up on the idea of a book that I was thinking of writing.

Called A Puritan Guide to Masculine Attire with the subtitle The Care and Maintenance of

Powdered Wigs?

Should I just give up on that?

If you have a chapter on man buns, I think that would be helpful.

I want your word on that.

Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about with the man buns.

I'm sure all the books on that have gone out of print, Chris.

Well, then maybe there's a need for them.

You never know what's going to happen in our future.

In fact, there's some movie.

What was it?

There's a movie where the hosts of a TV show in the future have powdered wigs.

I can't remember the name of the show.

Well, your book will have a short shelf life.

But let's see.

Well, we have RJ in White Plains, New York.

He asks, Are there any books in print that are helpful guides to the

writing pastor or the Christian author that are available to them by those who have already

experienced success in that field?

I just don't know.

I don't know.

Reverend Buzz Taylor has something to say.

I would say, though, that when it comes to something like the art of writing, I don't believe you

have to limit yourself to just Christian writers on writing.

I have been influenced greatly by a particular writer on writing that,

as far as I know, is not a Christian.

So how has this Dr. Seuss helped you?

I have learned to rhyme words like you wouldn't believe.

But really, though, I've got a number of books on writing and editing and things.

They might have been used as textbooks at one time.

I'm not really sure.

But they've certainly been helpful to me as far as grammar and

brevity and so forth.

It's been really helpful.

Christian in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Let me see.

I just had his question in front of me.

Christian in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York asks, What are your best recommendations

on how to discipline yourself when writing as to not plagiarize the thoughts of others when you have been

greatly blessed and motivated by those authors to write what you're writing?

I'm not sure how much people we are informed

and we get.

We might not even remember.

And I know that he said in the number of his.

Well, what books.

As far as not books on writing, but can you recommend books?

Obviously, you've written books where the aspiring author can not learn

from this book because it's a step -by -step guide to writing, but it's just a book on any

particular subject where the format used and the

style might be something that would help guide an aspiring writer to develop his own style

and yet something that would be within the guidelines of what would be

the wisest approach to writing where it's most easily understood and most thoroughly

documented, etc.

Do you have any recommendations along that line?

I think

one of the ways, and

there are ways

that J

.K. Rowling, her books,

complex

and kind

of

reading,

I

used

to

write.

And another great way to write books is to be fortunate enough and blessed enough

to have somebody like Phil Johnson on your staff who takes your sermon notes and creates the books for

you.

It's no secret that Phil Johnson of Grace to You Ministries actually is the one that compiles John

MacArthur's sermon notes and creates the books out of them.

Out of John's sermon notes, which are on yellow legal pads, John does not

type his sermon notes on a computer.

He actually still handwrites them on a yellow legal pad.

Is there any benefit into actually handwriting books rather than typing them on a computer or

vice versa?

Obviously there's some benefits with typing them on a computer that are innumerable, but are there

any benefits the old -fashioned way that you can think of?

Well, that's an individual style thing.

Some people

work the

whole thing

to make it

follow.

Yeah, it's interesting that you brought up Chuck Swindoll because someone very well -known, I'm not going to mention his name, a well

-known Reformed person, apparently lost an entire book that

he was writing with the use of a computer.

And being not computer literate, he, with one

wrong click of a button, lost everything.

And I think he approached, from what I understand, approached either Chuck Swindoll personally or

someone in Chuck's family that was very computer literate in order to retrieve that lost

material.

But that's another thing.

If you're going to use a computer, you better know what you're doing.

And he was successful?

He got it back?

I believe so, yeah.

That's what I remember hearing.

Yeah, that's a nightmare.

Well, I want to make sure, before we run out of time, that we also have all of your contact

information provided for our listeners.

I know that your church in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, and I shouldn't say your church, the

Lord's Church where you are under shepherd, Ironworks Church in

Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, that website is ironworkschurch .org,

ironworkschurch .org.

The Community Houses of Prayer website is chopministry .net, C -H

-O -P ministry dot net.

Any of the books that you are hearing about on Iron Sharpens Iron, not only Dr. Gayle's book that we have been

addressing, but the books that he and I recommended throughout this program, please go to

Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, C -V, or Cumberland Valley, B -B -S, for biblebookservice .com,

because if they don't already have it in stock, they will order it for you.

They are a very trustworthy book retailer, warehouse,

really, with tons of very biblically sound books, theologically reformed books.

And they are very likely to have whatever you're ordering, but if they don't, they can easily get it and get it to you at a very

competitive price, C -V, B -B -S, dot com, C -V, B -B -S, dot

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And particularly, if you want to also see what else PNR Publishing has

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you can go to P -R -P Books, dot com, P -R -P for Presbyterian Reform Publishing

Books, dot com, P -R -P Books, dot com.

Any other contact information you care to share, Dr. Gale?

No. Well, the community

houses are pretty good.

Great.

Well, I want to thank you so much for being my guest today, Dr. Gale.

If you could hold on, I'd like to schedule another interview with you.

I want to thank The Reverend Buzz Taylor for being my co -host today.

I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write in questions.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner.