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Well greetings welcome to the dividing line. My name is James white and I am coming to you live from uh

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Sort of northern Houston. I think pretty much never been to this park before great

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Park The park I was at to when I was in Mobile Sorry if you don't trim your trees

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I Mean seriously, I I know you'd all don't care about the RV life yet Until they don't let you travel on the plane either

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But you you You never I never thought about tree trimming over roads until I started pulling an

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RV and the first RV we had was like 12 -3 or some 12 -6 maybe tall something like that at the most

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This baby is 13 -6. I'm only a few inches shorter than a full -size semi and This park you know,

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I was I I pull in and I'm looking down the road that I'm supposed to go and I'm like but I'm gonna run into the tree and She's the lady on the phone.

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I'm calling her. She's like we've never had any complaints Thankfully, they got me into a spot over here.

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They'd have to go down there But before I left I got out my 30 -foot tape measure and I measured that thing and the lowest branch was 10 feet 10 inches.

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That is so far below Where it's supposed to be it's supposed to be 14 feet but all around mobile

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I was looking at a lot of the trees and even when I left I went I had to put my hazards on and go into the center lane and Dodge stuff because I mean there were branches.

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They just they just sheer the top of this thing right off I don't know how they get away with it things like that.

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But anyway All the all the things that you live with Going through construction zones and narrow narrow lanes and yeah

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It keeps you keeps you Alive and awake and excited.

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How you doing? It's good to be with you I am headed tomorrow to What it says 10th.

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I'm gonna check Okay, just it's just it's mainly stuff from rich, but it's all good stuff.

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Okay you gotta Gotta keep an eye on that kind of thing when rich text you and says your mics not on there's another brilliant thing like that I'm headed to fight last feast get there tomorrow.

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I won't I won't be at the venue until Thursday, but Get there tomorrow and get set up.

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We're expecting weather. Finally. It has been hot and humid On the first night on this trip or got down like 39.

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It's just been hot and humid Then run the AC and you know, I brought some sweaters to wear and nothing and my wife tells me

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It's actually cooled down in Phoenix highs in the 60s, I'm like, oh great Of course,

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I leave and then it cools down anyway, we are We have got so much stuff to get to here.

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Oh, here's a oh I don't want to look at that. Whoopi Goldberg loses her mind in certifiably insane rant against Trump.

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Well How is that and in any way shape or form a shocking or new thing that's that's pretty pretty much

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Happens all the time Nothing new nothing new there at all Wow, that's weird a

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Tim mini Pro What happened there? I won't turn it off though Anyway so much to get to so many things to be talking about today, uh,

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I Guess I'll lead with this and then we'll get to our deeper stuff a little bit later on Most of you don't follow

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Roman Catholics on Twitter and so you're not necessarily running into this stuff, but I noticed a few days ago all these

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Roman Catholics start talking about They look like precious moments figurines

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They really do, you know those precious moments figurines. I mean, they've been around forever My wife was into it for a little while many many years ago not anymore, but And she's into that Kincaid guy, you know those colorful painting that I like that.

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They're pretty but anyway, they all look the same to me But the precious moments figurines,

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I guess the Vatican has come out with Lucy Luce Luce maybe

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L U C E. It's light It means light but these Little figurines for something.

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I'm not sure exactly what they're supposed to be commemorating or whatever But a number of even Roman Catholics are going.

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What is this? And I was noticing this one Roman Catholic was saying well

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I'm I'm thinking about coming to Rome for its deep theology and OSS if I'd like to talk to that person

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But but even they're going what is this it's it's obvious you're trying to appeal to a

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Pop culture and stuff and then Michael Fallon Respond to somebody on Twitter and point out that the main character has this split top staff and He says you have any idea what that is.

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I'm like, I don't know. It doesn't look like an hunk to me It's not the the staff, but you know

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Shepherd staff that the Pope will frequently use and things like that and so Mike sent me some stuff about where this came from and and You know,

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I haven't had time to dig into it. So I I just I was just wondering what in the world but he traced it back to Margaret Mead and there are a number of pictures of her with this split staff and You know, she's sort of the originator of ethnology and all sorts of weird strange stuff and There's zero question that Francis and this again

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People keep Pope splitting they keep saying oh, you know, the Pope's not that bad and he's he's not really done this

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He's not really done that The people that he is putting in positions of authority that they will hold for decades and that they will then appoint people for decades the educational system the seminaries all that stuff

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The long -term impact That he is purposefully putting in place is

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A fundamental reorientation of the very

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Mechanisms whereby Rome defines its own tradition y 'all keep talking about tradition y 'all keep as if it exists in a vacuum someplace.

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Well, it doesn't and Given what you've done in the elevation of the Pope to the position of absolute ultimate authority the papacy and the

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Well the magisterium that the Pope then puts in place and Can make changes so that it's harder and harder and harder

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Well, it becomes the Vatican deep state Back to what

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I was saying the the the Pope is Putting in place the the

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Vatican deep state and If this is your means of knowing

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What Divine truth is there's no way that you can know Yeah, it is getting better.

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Thank you. It's down to 80 something now There's no way you can know With any kind of certainty.

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I mean the main argument that was used against me For years and years and years by Catholic answers.

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They can't make anymore and the older guys they know that They know they're having to argue differently now than before Redpills man, take as many of the red pills as you can get and And you'll you'll do better.

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But um, so anyways this this precious moment stuff seems to be

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Harkening back to some pretty seriously bad stuff and so keep an eye on that it's it's gonna be interesting to to observe all of that so I'm I'm so good.

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I'm sort of gonna sit here and and pretend that we're still doing the show so that rich can let me know one way or the other

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Whether it's back, okay And how long it'll last they don't

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The one I just plugged into the past two days has not been working at all

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Starlink has been working perfectly all afternoon since I set it up I'm starting to you know, rich.

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I'm starting to think that Richard Jackson was right And you know exactly what I'm talking about Richard Jackson believed that Sound systems electronic things can be demon possessed

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And I think there may be something that it seems to be It seems to be working fine. So, okay, cool.

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All right, so I guess I can go ahead and try for the Try for the videos now and And and show them now,

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I'm really hoping you know, I'm a little scared to do this I don't want to get dinged, but I don't think they would ding me

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At least I hope they wouldn't ding me But I Wanted to let you all know about an amazing development today a truly amazing development and That is that the folks at the

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Babylon be May have Completely altered the

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Political landscape of the election and made sure that Kamala Harris Will be elected now.

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There's all sorts of other stuff going on. There's all sorts of really hokey stuff going on with court rulings and People telling people to go home and get out of line

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They can't they can't vote today and and and there's there's weird stuff happening

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There's no question about it and you know judges saying that hey, we you can't prove these people are actually citizens

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But they get to stay on their roles and they get to cast provisional ballots and blah blah blah blah blah And one things for certain

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I think we will probably be sitting around We may be sitting around at Thanksgiving wondering who's actually won the election it could be that ugly in in the final analysis and Given that one side are a bunch of Marxists.

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That's pretty much tells you what's going on with with the United States but yeah, the the

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Babylon be has Amazingly endorsed

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Kamala Harris and so I want to I want to show you what What's going on here so you can see because I mean they make a make a pretty compelling argument

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They really do some I'm hoping guys you go ahead and let me play this and not you know

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Pull down the dividing line because we we played this I think it's fair use

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You know to to interact With an endorsement for for Kamala Harris, I really

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I really do So let's um, let's see if I can if I can get this to to work for us here

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Let's bring up My computer here Hi, I'm Seth Dillon CEO of the

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Babylon be Well other fake news organizations like the Washington Post and the LA Times refused to save democracy

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We here at the Babylon be are proud to do our part Today we've decided to officially endorse communist

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Kamala Harris for president Why Kamala? Well, we'd be here all day if I listed all the reasons, but I'll name a few

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To begin with she shot straight to the top because of her intellect smart lady

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She's the first person in history to win a primary without receiving a single vote. That's impressive She's a person of color

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Indian I think She's a feminine on She gave Drew Barrymore a hug an act that symbolized her willingness to wrap her arms around the country and give us all a hug

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Whenever Republicans make us feel sad She was such a popular vice president that over 12 million people hiked hundreds of miles to cross our southern border to vote for her without ID in this election

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She has a melodic and soothing voice Especially when she laughs I can listen to her laugh for hours

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Most importantly though, she is not Donald Trump Wow How can you put into words the greatness that is

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Kamala Harris? She reminds us to look forward to what can be unburdened by what has been and she understands

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Perhaps better than anyone else the significance of the passage of time She knows as all wise leaders do that there is great significance to the passage of time

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Each minute that passes takes us from the present into the future We're only here right now in this moment because other moments like the one that just went by have passed

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What could be more significant than that? We are grateful that when America is on the brink of losing its democracy

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The person standing strong against the looming threat of fascism as a woman is accomplished intelligent joyful and non -white as Kamala Harris and So we join

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Eminem Megan thee Stallion the insane clown posse and many other great thought leaders by proudly endorsing

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Kamala Harris for president I hit the on button.

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I Hit the on button. Stop that. I Think someone has taken control of the

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ATF. I think someone has hacked the system and They're messing with are you doing that rich?

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I bet you he has a way to do that I bet he has a way to hack it and and do stuff there

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So all that cool stuff I said after the Babylon B thing He's gonna have to cut cut that out because I was pantomiming for our our deaf audience, that's what

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I was That's what I was doing if you can believe that what I was saying was since they uh

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They I was one of the first people that they talked about on the Babylon Beach You know that when they first started

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I think it was within the first few days. They did something about me Circling the globe six times or something like that before lunch on my bike or something along those

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I forget exactly what it was, but they did and so I think that that means I get to do whatever

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I want But yeah We'll we'll have to cut all that stuff out and and rich will be up till midnight, but it's it's just the way things go

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There's there's no way of getting around. Hey, there's no cash either. That's that's pretty cool. Um Okay, I had something else here that I wanted to look at Ah, yes, ah, yes

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All right Evidently vice president Harris said this evening quote

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Unlike Donald Trump. I don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. He wants to put them in jail

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I'll give them a seat at my table and quote now you and I the rational

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American people We sit here and go Um Hasn't your

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Justice Department or what we now call the Injustice Department been busily

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Trying to throw Donald Trump in jail Haven't Democrat Attorney generals and prosecutors and stuff like that been throwing stuff at him for Ever for the past year trying to throw him in jail

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Wasn't it the the Democrats in Congress that impeached him like what three times

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Even after he left office and How many people? From January 6th who like walked between velvet ropes have been sitting in solitary confinement

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Without even a trial yet This is called projection

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This is you know They've been saying over Donald Trump will weaponize the Justice Department And you're like you mean like you have that it is pure projection.

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It is you're doing something and you're gonna say the other side's doing it just to create confusion and As a result,

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I I need to remind you of a reality That you may get tired of hearing this sorry, but I'm gonna keep reminding it because people forget people people forget

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This was from a number of years ago, but it is this is from almost 20 years ago now

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When people are forced to remain silent When they are being told the most obvious lies

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Or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves They lose once and for all their sense of probity not a term.

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We use a lot these days to assent to obvious lies is to cooperate with evil and In some small way to become evil oneself one standing to resist anything is thus eroded and even destroyed a

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Society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I Think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to now that was

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Theodore Dalrymple front page magazine, August 31st 2005 and I have repeated this many times because it fits so well with many of the things that Solzhenitsyn said as well

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When he said do not repeat the lies do not live according to lies That's what

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Marxism is and these people the the Democratic Party is a

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Marxist Party I was just I was just watching another video

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Where this another guy was, you know, they were doing they were doing amazingly an interview and of course

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Kamala Harris, you know, he's like so Why don't you do all these things that you say you can do to lower the cost of living well,

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I'm not president But you're vice president. Well, I'm telling you what I'll do as president It it it's so hard to respect people

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Who cannot speak truthfully cannot speak logically cannot speak rationally and they know it and they know it

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They absolutely know it. But one of the things that he had said was people can't afford their groceries.

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Well, yeah we're gonna we're gonna address that we're gonna address the people their price gouging and it's like it Has nothing to do with food companies price gouging.

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It has to do with the fact that you ma 'am Oversaw a regime that has been running the printing presses printing fake money for years

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That's why we have inflation has nothing to do with the poor grocery store chains that are barely making it

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And I just go back her daddy Marxist economist told

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Jamaica put in the price controls and they did and it resulted in food lines and famine and Here she is again, and we've got all these airheads on Twitter.

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We're going out He's a Marxist Everything she says about DEI is straight out of Marxist.

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It's like good morning anyone in there absolutely astonishing so this this projection this repetition of lies

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It's all purposeful. She knows she's lying. She knows she's lying and She knows she can only say certain things.

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They've told her just like Joe Biden Of course Joe Biden, you know had to have these little cards, you know, she's not senile.

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She's just evilly Dishonest and and She doesn't even think that way the left has no categories for honesty to begin when she accuses the other side of She'll do everything she accuses anybody else doing and will not even think there's a problem.

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Well, I don't think there's a problem it's a sad day a sad day, um

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Okay So those were the those are the short things And in this this is just astonishing

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I'm sitting here watching this it's working just fine and One hour ago it was reversed

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Starlink was working just fine and the Internal System we have couldn't hold a signal for five minutes

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So well, there you go, we've got both of them and We know how to I know how to switch between the two of them and The way that rich has things didn't designed here.

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It's pretty easy to do so Who knows next thing next thing? I'll know

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I'll have a switch over here and It'll be Starlink 5g and I can just go click

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Just pop it up. I bet you could do that. He's sitting there going. I could do that Yeah, anyway we we do the best we can

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Um, okay two more things and then we've got the big important stuff to talk about as far as the

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Video that came out yesterday and from Tobias even Schneider and all the stuff's going on there number one

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Well, it's actually number one. We've already talked about number one number two number three then on the on the hit parade today.

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I Saw What looked like a book cover? about It's been less than a week on Twitter and I I Sort of went like this and I didn't really have time to stop and I was like what what was what is that?

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it's something from David Allen and it's on two

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Romans And I and I'm like no But I didn't have time to stop and look at I was looking for something else decide to keep going

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Lo and behold in a few days Dr. David Allen longtime anti Calvinist crusader for the

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Southern Baptists Is gonna put out a book seeking to I think the term he used was fill out or defend or Strap elate

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I forget what term was he used the amazingly stupid

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Two Romans theory and you're going. What do you mean? Well, what was it about?

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Six seven months ago, maybe even less, you know It was back at the beginning of the year when

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I debated Jason Bretta and He presented this two

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Romans theory and it's the idea that Romans 1 through 8 is addressed to the

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Jews only and 9 and following to the Gentiles and The guy who came up with it admitted that he thought it thought it up in Florida in like 2017 or something like that.

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I didn't bring this stuff with me because Honestly, I Don't know if anybody respects it that's a scholar

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Knows anything about church history knows anything about the history of exegesis does exegesis anything like that?

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Not like I'd carry that kind of stuff around anyways, but we when

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Jason Bretta started putting the videos out we Took the first one the foundational one and we may have done a little something to the second one.

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I don't recall But we decimated it we we eviscerated it We thoroughly refute.

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There's no recovering from it. It was just so it is just so patently obvious that it is the very essence of eisegesis

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It is the very essence of the twisting of Scripture. It is it's what happens when the scripture teaches one thing and you don't like that and So you've got you're desperate to find some way around it

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So we've got to get Romans 8 out of there So, how do we do it?

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well, the elector only the Jews and this is only about the Jews and doesn't really help with Romans 9, but It's it's pure desperation is what it is and It has no value

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No one in church history has ever come up with it and There have been a lot of people who've opposed Reformation, but even they didn't come up with it.

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The Colts didn't even come up with it for crying out loud Until this Southern Baptist guy on vacation in Florida as I recall sitting out on the beach came up with it and It is it has been decimal.

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It's been refuted. There's no way to put it back together again So, what is

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David Allen doing I I don't know I don't want to have to Dig into something like this again, but I Suppose we'll have to You know,

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I'll it's gonna be be available on Kindle so okay, you know, maybe he'll say

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Something along the lines of this this guy who originated it was last guy lay or something like that Had a good idea, but here's how we can make it better or this is a more consistent way of putting it

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Maybe they'll put some spin on it. I don't know But I Just remind dr.

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Allen every time he has attempted to do this and He has he put out articles where he was going through Commentaries and Romans 8 we demonstrated he misused the commentaries that his scholarship was horrific in that area and we decimated his exegesis

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But he didn't try to respond he couldn't Because he's he's in error and we have challenged him for years

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To debate this topic I'm in Texas right now. I have to go through Texas to go almost anywhere.

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Texas is big big place have RV will travel and We have said over and over and over and over guy said when he was teaching at Southwestern before they rather Strangely fired him and they didn't do that.

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Well, and I told him that But I told him then I'll walk into your classroom.

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I will debate you I will come into your classroom with nothing but a Greek New Testament and I'll debate you in Romans chapter 8 and he won't do it and I don't know where he's teaching right now, but I bet you dollars notes.

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He still won't do it and I Can guarantee you he will never defend this foolishness in debate

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Because that's what it is. It's Anyone who embraces the two Romans theory simply demonstrating

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I Don't actually believe the Bible I have my own theology and I'll do the

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Bible what I need to do to the Bible to maintain my theology That's what you're doing. That's all there is to it

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It is the end of anyone's credibility as an exegete To go this direction it is

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It is it's sad, but That's that's what you get out there and so No, I don't want to have to read his book but I'm still trying to get to 7250 miles on bike this year despite four surgeries and more time in the hospital.

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I've ever spent in a single year by by after four So that does mean that you know my bike sitting right over here by the way, you don't know that but That's one of the reasons we do the

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RV thing is there used to be a couch over there There's a trainer in my bike and I was on it this morning.

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I did 41 .7 kilometers before before the drive today. So I'm gonna try to get some more done in the morning try to keep up with those minimums and That means

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I have time, you know, I have I think yeah, you know open to your headphones and put those on and you can listen and and Kindle books you use speechify and I can listen to any

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Kindle book On speechify that way at least okay, not any there are some that you can't get to but hopefully that one will work otherwise,

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I'll have to record it, but well We'll listen to it, I'm not sure how much time we'll spend on it, but Somebody's got to do it most folks don't won't touch that stuff because it takes too much time and and yet when it when it causes problems when it

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Misrepresents the teaching the Word of God we will Spend our time to do that. And so though we'll go alright next thing and I'll be going about 10 minutes past the hour because We're gonna have to cut about 10 minutes of me pantomiming

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And and when the when the Cash gave up and died and all that kind of fun stuff, but That's why we pay rich the big bucks.

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You know is is his His editing skills to put everything back together again

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Best we can do. All right so on Saturday Evening in Mobile, Alabama At Christ Presbyterian Church, I don't want to thank the guys there

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Joshua Sparkman Who I Multiple times in public

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Mocked his little Toyota Yaris with this 1 .5

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liter engine When I first met him I pulled up in doggy

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My GMC at for 2500 Which is actually more than 2500 really because we put heavy -duty airbags on it

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So it's it's more like a 3500 as far as its capacity goes. But anyway It's a big truck.

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And In fact, there's a cool picture on Twitter. I almost I was almost gonna pull it up and show it to you, but a brother who was there at the conference took a picture because I parked right in front of his sports car and It does give you a sense of just how big that thing is and And I looking at it it does look like I could have just simply put it in drive just Right over not even what was that?

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I don't know and and moved on my way But anyways, I pulled up next to pastor Sparkman's Yaris, and I'm sort of literally looking out of the

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Like this I I really picked on him the whole weekend I I've tried to feel terrible about that, but I haven't

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They they did a great job and and and I had fun meeting with sort of the session there at the church and and We had

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We had lunch at this I guess pretty famous fish place right on the bay And you can sit there and you can see the

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USS, Alabama. The battleship is there in the in the bay and Beautiful beautiful battleship.

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It's not quite as big as in Missouri. It's the class below that but it's Beastie of a battleship. I if I had known it was there

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I would have tried to find the time to visit it, but It's just fancy fish place.

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You know what I got. I got a burger. I Got a burger. I I'm just not a big fish guy when

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I was a kid. My parents would take me this place. We'd have Deep fried shrimp all the time and I loved it

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But then once I got really sick, you know what? You know what how you know how that I bet you it's happened a bunch of you

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You eat something you get really sick and you just get this mental block. It's just I'm not touching that again, and I haven't had a fried shrimp and just not big into fish

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Salmon's all right, but they didn't have any of that. Well, I guess they may have I don't know. Anyways, I had a burger so We had a great time.

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We had pretty good turnout and on Saturday night. I debated Tom Riello the Tom Riello is

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A former Tom Riello is a graduate of RTS Charlotte and I haven't written to dr.

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Kruger yet, but he mentioned dr. Kruger and studying under dr. Kruger at RTS Charlotte He was an ordained

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PCA minister up in New York Presbytery, I believe and he was raised

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Roman Catholic and then went back to Roman Catholicism just a few years after he graduated from RTS Charlotte and he works for the

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Archdiocese and teaches at a school for the Archdiocese there in Alabama and So I didn't really know what to expect

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From him we were debating on the mass As the only means by which

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God is worshipped is in the Catholic Mass in the the self -giving of Christ in the

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Catholic liturgy How do

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I describe that debate I haven't seen any of it. It was only recorded on a phone

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So we may only just post the I don't know I haven't I haven't heard yet about what the video looked like It was being

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I'm sure it was being recorded in the back audio. Hope so and Because there were there was some usefulness to it, even though I did have two

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Roman Catholic lights come up to me afterwards and say We've listened to all your

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Roman Catholic debates and we're sorry you had to go through that Okay, I appreciate they saw it.

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They understood And I just realized I was given a really cool gift.

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Oh man It's right over there to Afterwards this fellow came up to me.

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He gave me this really cool gift. I was gonna show it to you But Here we go, this will be worth it hold on it actually would probably wise for me

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To have this with me In fact, I joked with the guy that it was probably best that we didn't

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I didn't have this with me during the cross -examination Check it out

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It is It is a baseball bat and it it says so you can and says ailmen there on the bottom and on the barrel

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Handcrafted for James White Alpha Omega Ministries got the Alpha Omega Ministry logo on it. And Yeah You know,

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I'm not sure if it's regulation or anything but it yeah you if you swing this baby I wouldn't want to be on the on the receiving end unless I was a baseball

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I suppose But it's obviously for presentation. So I'll Have to find a place in the office for rich to put it up And oh, yeah,

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I forgot to tell rich about that that has to find a home in the studio Mike Mike Mike.

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Oh, that's 25 minutes ago that has to find a home in the studio Wow, okay So rich will now be working on a place to hang that in the big studio

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Because he's working on some we've got some cool stuff coming up some improvements to the big studio

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Which will make using the big board Well, I'm gonna have a different big board and I think it'll be a bigger board and able to do more

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You know, we'll have to find a place in the background for that so rich will now be working on and When he gave it to me

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I said Swing away swing away. I wonder how many people get that swing away

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What's that guy's name? It wasn't Lyle. What's guys name? Anyway, you know what?

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That's a few of you know where that that came from. It was a pretty cool movie Anyhow, so yes, I want

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I want everybody seeing this and to thank the gentleman who who made that for me And I wanted to put it on the air and and you can do a screenshot and go see

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Got it, and he kept it and we will we'll we'll put it up somewhere in the in the studio.

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So anyway, I guess the way I describe it is When we got into it was sort of hand

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I had to bring out a lot of the key issues in My own presentation because his presentation was sort of like what

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I would expect someone to give You know in a talk at the diocese for the retirement group or something

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It was it was meant for Roman Catholics. It really was not meant to communicate to anything anybody else and So I got up there and I had to try to bring out the real issues as to Where the real controversy was

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At the time of the Reformation and it's fact It's it's the same stuff that Trent talked about the council can't talked about in the 13th session when they were talking about the sacrifice of the mass so when

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The negative side has to bring out what should have been the positive sides presentation you know that that lessens its real real value down the road to and But then we got in the cross -examination and that's where the wheels sort of fell off you

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If both sides do not cooperate in making the cross -examination

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Profitable and worthwhile. There's really nothing you can do about it. And this is how

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I would liken it Tom so tell me

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Given your view of what happens in the mass as a perpetratory sacrifice

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Does It follow that you will have to go to purgatory and be perfected by experiencing satis

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Pacio because the mass in of itself is insufficient to Perfect you outside of your own sufferings

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Well James, I was raised in a middle -class family

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That's that's Really what a lot of it was and he got very animated.

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He's a New York Italian Catholic guy and you know, we've done that a few times and He was accusing me of changing the subject three times during my well when he was asking me questions he

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Would do the talk talk talk talk mate point thing Makepoint presentation finally get around you've you've set up a completely false question and then when

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I'd start to correct it, then he's like Jumping in and interrupting and and it was it was really obvious that He didn't know how to do this debate thing.

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This was his first debate He didn't I don't think he specifically said that but it was his first debate.

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So maybe it's quite possible He just doesn't even know what the rules are. He doesn't know that you're only supposed to ask questions and and how to do that and because he's he's just pontificating and and filibustering and going on and on on but then when

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I'm asking him questions and I am asking him that specific question about saddest

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Pacio and Purgatory and if the sacrifice of Christ Actually perfects those for whom it's made

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Hebrews 10 10 and 14 Then why should you have to undergo saddest Pacio in purgatory before you can enter into the presence of God?

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That is a 1000 % valid question and He's just losing it he's telling the moderator that I'm I'm breaking the rules because I'm changing the topic of the debate

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There were three times in the cross X where I just threw my hands up and said, all right, forget it

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Let's just move on. We're not getting anywhere here because I couldn't get him to interact in any meaningful fashion

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Even at that last time, you know, Joshua Sparkman who is moderating was like, you know, that's a that's a valid you know, go ahead and answer that question and So in the providence of God What happened was

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I Opened my Bible. I opened my beautiful Jeffrey Rice rebuying

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Nessie Allen 28th edition to guess where? Hebrews 7 25

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Where why is that important? Well, that's That was the key with Jason Bretta.

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That's where he fell apart in in the debate in Hebrews 7 20 in Tullahoma Hebrews 7 25 presents the perfection of God Of the work of Christ as Savior There's no way around it

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There's no way around English. There's no way around Greek. There's no way around Latin it doesn't matter what language you use and the

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Greek is nice and clear and wonderful and So I got into Hebrews 7 25 and when

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I first asked him I said for whom does Christ intercede Christ intercedes for everyone

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Christ intercedes for everyone. Oh Okay so and then

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I Take him into the text and pretty soon. He's saying Christ That this intercession does take place in the mass

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But it's only for those who? Participate in the mass. It's not it's not for every human being and So I'm like, well, wait a minute

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And so I just keep pressing the text. I just keep pressing the text and he just keeps contradicting himself and So I we finally get down and everybody can see what's going on.

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Everybody can see That the text is saying he is able to save I stopped on to less forever and completely

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Because he ever lives to make intercession for them a specific people so Can he or can't he?

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They can always choose to leave and It was so you know,

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I'm like so you don't believe Hebrews 7 25 and He had been doing stuff where he was talking about.

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Well limited atonement is your ultimate? Interpretive grid and I'm like no limited atonement comes from Texts like this.

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This is why I believe in limited atonement because of text like this I don't have to bring some interpretive grid and place it on this you're the one not dealing with what this text is saying and So I did

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I think I did finally once the Hebrew 725 thing

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Became I could tell for anyone with ears to hear That had been decided

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I'm like I'm done I think I still had like four minutes left I think he said it was at one point was 445

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I'm done There's no reason to Press on with this Given how he was non responding and he did complain to Joshua later about changing the topic debate there was no changing the topic debate or anything like it he just doesn't know how to do a debate and so like I said, even a lot of the

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Roman Catholics were like Yeah, sorry about that and I'm like, you know, it happens

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I Need to go back. I was going to do this before the program started, but I didn't get around to it

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I need to go back. I've lost count

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I'm thinking that was 194, but Maybe someone can can go back because I pretty

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I'm pretty sure I mentioned it I'm my recollection is that the

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Jared longshore debate was the last one that we last debate that we did and We I Think I specifically made reference to which one that was well,

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I think I think that was 193 But I could be wrong need to need to go back and look at it and find out

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Because you know, who knows maybe maybe the debate will be helpful to someone a brother was sitting behind some

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Catholic folks related to Tom Riello and he communicated to me some of the terms they used about me during the debate and I can't repeat them and in cultured company anyways, so But maybe maybe someone else will find it to be useful down the road.

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Maybe it'll Hit exactly where someone needs to maybe someone will just need to hear that cross -examination and to see that when you believe in The Roman Catholic Mass is a pictures pitchatory sacrifice.

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You can't really believe what the Bible teaches about the perfection of the work of Christ So we'll see But you know,

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I'm still thankful for the church, you know putting the effort into it I'm sure every church that puts effort in stuff like that finds out pretty quick Wow There's a lot of work that goes into that and it's and it's true, okay last thing here

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Yesterday morning yesterday at noon Eastern Time And I had linked to the preview and then once I got to Lafayette from mobile.

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I Just went ahead and posted the actual video

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Um Four or five days before that Tobias Lehman Schneider of the

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Reformed Baptist Church in Frankfurt. He and Peter Schilt are pastors there and when

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I was traveling overseas the path the last few years Like 2017 2018 2019,

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I would always make sure to get to Frankfurt and spend some time with the brothers there and Tobias would translate for me and and Just you know, we developed a good strong relationship and and They put up with me wearing a coogee while preaching at the church stuff like that and and And of course, well when

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I when I spoke At the castle church in Wittenberg Months before that I sent the quotes that I wanted to use

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To them and I believe it was Peter. Yes Peter read them for me so I could double -check all my pronunciations

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Because I don't have anybody in Phoenix to run that kind of stuff by And so I'm pretty sure it was

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Peter that dead if it was Tobias. I forgot. I forgot. I'm sorry, but I think it was I think it was

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Peter read it for me and So I've got a connection to the to the church.

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They came out only a few months ago during the Was actually spring and Tobias preached his first sermon in English at Apology of Church.

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A lot of people were really blessed by that and so I've got the connection there and And Most a lot some of you understand that When sitting right where I'm sitting right now because I remember looking over at that chair

52:31

During the summer when Doug Wilson Made reference to the now utterly infamous meme

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Mommy, what's the Holocaust? It was when the Jews were forced to do manual labor and they said it was killing them and Doug had talked about the implicit bigotry and bias

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That they don't do manual labor the implicit Holocaust denial ism and they said it was killing them and I had said at that time that if you have someone who thinks this is funny

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They need to be called to repentance and if they will not repent then church discipline should be used

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Now I was speaking generally there. It's been interpreted as no you you were telling because at the time

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I didn't mention What this was about specifically?

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I knew what it was about because Tobias had told me about it and When he first told me about it

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I think I was traveling or something because I wasn't exactly sure what church this was a part of but by that point in time

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I knew that the person who had Shared this mean with Tobias was one of Tobias's former church members that had moved from Frank Frankfort initially to Atlanta from Atlanta to Texas and became a member of Joel Evans Church and so I had said this is the the attitude of This requires a call for repentance.

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If there's no repentance that there needs to be church discipline. Well Place went nuts. That's when for the next two days 50 % of the people that I was blocking on Twitter Had not only well more than 50 % had the red red avatar of the blue eyes but 50 % of them had 1689 one

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Baptist Confession of Faith in their bios and they were talking about you know, they're someone put a meme up with me as a rabbi and You know all this just nastiness came after me and that's when

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I started finding out just how much There is of this attitude

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Amongst ostensibly and people don't like that. I use that term, but I'll keep using it ostensibly reformed people on the internet and So I forget exactly when it was but in fairly recent memory

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Joel Webb and in one of his elders did about an hour and 45 minute video

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About that meme and it was it was a ways after Doug's comments on blog and may blog my comments on the dividing line and So I was a little surprised they did it

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But okay They Gave their side because what had happened was and Here's here's the key issue.

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I Wasn't a part of this zoom call. There was a zoom call a two -hour zoom call Between Tobias Peter.

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I'm not sure who else from the church in Frankfurt was on it Joel this church member

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I Assume some of his elders. I don't know but there's two -hour conversation but I wasn't a part of it and So I could not address the things are being said because Joel presented it as if Tobias Was this you know, wild -eyed and he said at one point he's lost his mind this this zealot persecuting a former member and and revealing things from a former member he shouldn't have and all this kind of stuff and and There was a bunch of stuff that Joel said that I wanted to respond to I Wanted to defend

56:50

Tobias against it, but Tobias was talking about doing a response The simple fact was I couldn't not with integrity because I wasn't a part of the call

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If I get into it, then it's I'm the middle guy going Well, he said this and he said this and that one said that and that one said that But I'm all going on hearsay

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If if Tobias was going to respond to it, which he now has I I would be getting in the way and I I know

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I hurt Tobias by not Defending him as he had hoped that I would in that context, but I've explained to him

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Just wasn't possible to do it because I can't talk about stuff that I did not hear and I was not a part of So Tobias sent me a few days ago

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The recording the unedited recording of a Webcast that he was beginning where he was going to respond to what?

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Joel weapons said in this thing. It's about same length actually as Joel weapons webcasts,

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I'm not sure I've heard some people complaining but actually if you can respond the same amount of time the other guy use that's actually not bad anyway,

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I Listened to it while driving and Then Tobias and I spoke on signal and I said well

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That's um, that's a nuclear bomb You know, that's

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That's gonna push the issues right up front because there was so much and and Tobias has emails and text messages and In two different languages and things like that where he can, you know back up Why they were so concerned and the main thing was to me

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The main thing was the whole thing from Joel was They contacted us because they want us to kick this man out of our church

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And so from the very beginning, I want everybody to know we haven't done that. We're not gonna do that. So on us over and Tobias is like that's not why we contact

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Our concern was here's a former member of our church goes to one church doesn't find it to be reformed enough moves to Texas and joins this church and within weeks a man who had never expressed any of these views in regards to Holocaust denialism or anything like that All of a sudden is and and is sharing this mean just with him one other person

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I guess Where'd that come from? Where do you even find stuff like that? that was what the concern was and So Tobias goes through all of that Over the course of like I said about our call is like an hour 45.

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I think it's very similar to the length of Joel's so that that came out

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I believe yesterday at noon and The Responses to it have been troubling troubling

01:00:07

Here's here's what's going on in the reformed world right now people who are embracing stone choir

01:00:14

Cory Mailer Andrew Torba these types of Virulently and obviously anti Jewish individuals they clearly

01:00:28

Believe that the Jewish people as a people somehow they have this magical capacity to Communicate with one another mentally

01:00:39

So they're behind everything. It's a grand conspiracy See these folks are

01:00:49

Spreading their poison amongst young Ostensibly reformed again.

01:00:55

Look if you're not in a solid church under elders and Promoting the consistent preaching and teaching in the

01:01:05

Word of God. You're not reformed Okay, so if you're out there doing your own thing, but you think it's pretty cool to talk about the doctrines of grace

01:01:13

I'm like that. Hey five points ain't enough Obedience to Christ's command to be a part of his church is a part of what it means to be reformed so Think about that for a second.

01:01:25

Anyway, um These these folks are getting this poison out there and like I had no idea how widespread it was until I made those comments this past summer and they came out of the woodwork at me and then

01:01:39

I started doing some deep dives into Comment threads and where you'd find the worst stuff is not so much in the main thread but when you start following somebody especially red -eyed blue black red avatar blue -eyed people and You'd start following them and their sub comments and you just start running into once a

01:02:00

Jew always a Jew and all just this Vitriol this this bigotry this

01:02:09

Animus, it's sinful. It's ethnic hatred and it's all over the place

01:02:17

It's all over the place. I I I didn't know no, you know,

01:02:24

I told the told you about the guy who came to apologia and All do great work, but you need to understand all this stuff you're fighting with.

01:02:32

It's a secondary It's all caused by the Jews, you know, the the

01:02:37

Jews started Mormonism the Jews are doing it It's just like wow So I knew there were complete wacko it's out there but wacko it

01:02:46

ISM is now becoming mainstream and Doug came up with a Doug Wilson came up with a

01:02:52

I think as Doug likes to do And we'll probably be doing more starting in what three days two days with no quarter

01:03:01

November Side be Nazism Because side be

01:03:08

Christianity is that you know, I did the debate with Greg that guy last year

01:03:14

The side be Christian thing where well, we don't engage in homosexual activities, but it's it's okay to be a homosexual

01:03:21

And so he was like, well, we don't do the Nazi thing but it's it's okay to be friends with them type of a thing so this side be

01:03:29

Nazism is everywhere and Look if if you can't just come out if if you just can't come straight out and say to your people

01:03:44

Completely avoid stone choir these these people are

01:03:51

Poisoned. Oh, but they've got really interesting historical stuff So does biologos, but we know what biologos is about too, don't we?

01:04:01

Yeah, we do So and this is worse in obviously because of what its fundamental focus and intention is

01:04:14

And so Yeah, this stuff is is all over the place it's dangerous and You can't play footsie with it.

01:04:23

And here's what they're doing. And this is where I think Joel has tripped and fallen is the whole thing in his video was

01:04:31

Well, you know these young men they're just asking questions and And we need to you know, we need to pastor these young men.

01:04:40

They're just asking questions No, they're not. I Don't know how you may can believe that they are.

01:04:47

Oh Well, it's just and now the whole big thing is well, if I had a guy yesterday,

01:04:53

I finally blocked in the day, but I Had a guy yesterday. Yeah, you're busily preaching the gospel of The post -war consensus

01:05:03

And I'm like, okay, I'm I Bet you didn't even use the term post -war consensus before six weeks ago

01:05:14

But I've never heard in my life The phrase the gospel of the post -war consensus never heard never heard

01:05:26

What is that? And So some people, you know through some stuff and all they're doing they're not talking about the gospel of the post -war consensus

01:05:36

They're giving their particular understanding of what the post -war consensus is and let's be honest

01:05:42

There is no agreed -upon definition of what the post -war consensus is because it depends on what field you're talking about There can be economic applications.

01:05:53

There can be political applications. There can be military applications There is most definitely a theological application of the post -war consensus

01:06:04

But that did that depends on whether you're in Europe in the United States So this new magical word that has become the new buzz phrase over the last two months

01:06:17

Really doesn't have a whole lot of meaning to it You have to be much more specific post -war consensus in what about what?

01:06:27

But the idea is well, you know, they're look these young men they've been lied to their whole lives

01:06:33

Well, we all have been lied to our whole lives. That's Satan is the what? Lies, there's been lies all along Yeah, but you know, we found out in Cobra that the government will lie to us

01:06:45

I've always known the government would lie to you Do I know that they'll lie to you more boldly than I did when

01:06:50

I was a kid? Yeah, sure things have changed a bit Um but this

01:06:57

Animus toward Jews and hence anyone who would push back

01:07:03

It's not only sinful, but it's being covered over with this idea. We're just asking honest questions

01:07:09

I that's all it is you know, we just want to find out if what we've been told is true and in fact,

01:07:16

I was really Amazed and I mentioned this before When I started looking at some of these red avatar blue -eyed guys,

01:07:27

I Couldn't believe how much flat earth ism. I was running into seriously

01:07:34

Seriously what we've been lied to about it. Let's let's question the scientific consensus

01:07:40

It could just be and if and if you can believe that all the Jews have the mental capacity to somehow communicate with all other

01:07:47

Even though there's all sorts of different kinds of Jews and all sorts of different beliefs amongst Jews Then I guess you can come up with the idea that sure

01:07:55

There's this massive conspiracy and you know We can have astronauts on the International Space Station and they're taking pictures on their cell phones

01:08:03

And but it's all just a big massive huge Conspiracy and you know all the orbiters who send over to Mars and to to the moon and they're all circular

01:08:15

It's this all it's it's all fake man. It's been fake from the beginning Well, I you know

01:08:20

If you can believe that then you can believe that all the Jews can mentally talk to each other and control everything In some fashion like a comic book superhero or supervillain,

01:08:31

I guess would be the term so you can you can do all that stuff you want so so much weird stuff and Here's here's the fact matter is once People in your church start getting involved in this kind of thinking they are going to be drawn away from orthodoxy to a form of Gnostic Violence I Say Gnostic because they've got the special knowledge and you boomer brains

01:09:07

Just can't understand what we Non boomers have been able to figure out and that's why

01:09:16

I really feel a lot of these guys are not in churches Because I don't think they can get along with other people

01:09:24

But that's the that's the attitudes being expressed so I Invite you to take a look at Tobias's rejoinder listen to both

01:09:34

Listen to what Joel says Listen to what Tobias says in response make up your own mind

01:09:40

But recognize that Tobias isn't doing this just simply to have a spitting fight his concern he and Peter I know their concern is

01:09:50

This is bigger than one individual. This is bigger than a meme. This is about a major infiltration into the

01:09:58

Reformed Church of a ethnically based bias and a

01:10:04

World view of rebellion, it's it really is it is Everyone who came before us was terrible horrible and nasty but we're gonna figure it all out and Looking at the responses

01:10:18

I Couldn't believe how many people? Openly said well,

01:10:23

I didn't listen to much of what Tobias said, but I believe Joel It's I'm like what and And then

01:10:31

I actually listened to the beginning of a D Robles's response on on the

01:10:38

FLF Network and He literally starts off by saying well actually started off with an interesting discussion about the whole series.

01:10:48

Okay, good Um, I appreciated that part But then

01:10:54

He says now I didn't listen to Tobias. I may have heard 10 -15 minutes maybe or did he say five or forget he literally said that he went over to watch the comments and When it had first premiered

01:11:08

I had seen some people in a signal group. We have posting some of his comments And so he was making

01:11:16

Less than useful comments and even said while I was

01:11:23

Watching the comments stuff and participating the comments that I heard some of what Tobias said and I'm like you you you what?

01:11:32

while looking at comments you heard a little bit of what he said and you're gonna comment now and he did and he gave a he said in the part that I was listening to Tobias was trying to say that The Joel's neo -nazi and and and I'm just sitting here going

01:11:54

Why did you record this? This is a waste it's a waste of the data space

01:12:02

If you're not gonna listen to it if you're not gonna listen to it from the start and Compare it with the original.

01:12:09

This is the other guy involved in the conversation Okay Why are you yapping about it brother?

01:12:18

That was embarrassing. Do you not do you have no concern at all for your integrity?

01:12:25

That was just that was a waste I couldn't believe it I was just like Okay. All right

01:12:33

Don't want to do that. So a lot of their the responses have been Less than encouraging shall we say less than encouraging so I would just simply say to folks look

01:12:48

I Wanted to respond to the personal accusations against Tobias as I've explained

01:12:56

I couldn't because I wasn't part of the conversation now he has and I invite everybody to listen and As Tobias said he quoted from Proverbs 18 the first one to present his case.

01:13:11

Sounds right Until his opponent comes to examine him So here's the examination

01:13:18

All right Listen to it and Try to if you can separate out the personalities listen to the issues to the issues

01:13:31

This stuff does not belong amongst reformed churches This stuff will come into your churches and it will destroy your fellowships

01:13:40

I am saying my fellow pastors keep an ear out when you hear people talking about Stone choir when you hear people talking about Andrew Torba These are the mechanisms whereby this stuff comes in if you hear someone talking about Judaizers, I saw a

01:14:01

Tweet from Torba from yesterday. I think he was saying we've got Christian nationalism going

01:14:07

We just have to protect it from the Judaizers really

01:14:14

What does he mean by that well, he doesn't mean what the New Testament means by that The Judaizers were people who added to the gospel the

01:14:24

Judaizers were the people that Galatians has written against that's not what they mean Judaizers for them are people who will not join them in their anti -jewish bigotry in their

01:14:36

Anti -jewish animus now again. Do I have to say again a a

01:14:43

Unregenerate Jewish person is the enemy of God just like an unregenerate

01:14:50

Muslim and unregenerate Roman Catholic and unregenerate Buddhist and unregenerate atheist they're all in Rebellion against God they are enemies of Christ That there's you are either spiritual life or spiritually dead

01:15:09

You're either for him or against him, there's no question about that, but that's where we all were and We are called to bring the gospel to all these people and when you allow this type of ethnic

01:15:26

Animus to find a place in your heart That explains why in the same situation here

01:15:34

I have encountered so many people who clearly as Christians hate Muslim Hate them that takes us over to the

01:15:42

Crusader stuff, which is also a part of this

01:15:50

Degradation amongst reformed churches all this let's not worry about the gospel you know, let's hack up the the unbelief the unbelievers and the infidels and all the rest of this kind of stuff and it's become so Heartbreakingly clear to me

01:16:09

That so many of these people would not walk across the room to present the claims of Christ in a meaningful manner

01:16:21

To a Muslim if they're life -dependent Pastors when you hear this stuff when you hear the quotations when you

01:16:29

I was listening to this So what what kind of webcast was who put that out be aware be ready

01:16:37

Because what they like to do is they like to sort of spread this on the sly, you know You know in the after the

01:16:43

Bible studies over all sitting around having some pizza and stuff like that, you know at somebody's house And hey, did you hear about?

01:16:50

And that's how Factions start that's how the divisions start you need to be aware

01:16:59

My hope is that some of the names That are out there

01:17:08

I'm doing stuff online things like that. We'll see this and We'll back away and we'll start saying no.

01:17:17

No, you can't you can't go there you you you can't do that That's my hope. That's what

01:17:23

I want to see take place. That's what I want to see happen But For now, you just simply have to be straightforward and say, you know, who are you listening to?

01:17:35

Have you have you vetted this information? and is it leading you to a greater desire

01:17:45

To evangelize the nation's a greater desire You know one of the things

01:17:51

I love about Jeff Durbin. There's a lot of things love about Jeff Durbin In fact, let me just say over the past few days as I have been watching

01:18:00

Remotely because I'm on the road My fellow elders dealing with challenging situations

01:18:08

Jeff Luke Zach I've just grown in my love for these guys and my appreciation for just their zeal

01:18:18

For the kingdom of Christ. I really really have Just so thankful to be apart with them and we're just all so busy these days that we hardly ever get a chance to get together and I Can express that kind of appreciation for them?

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But one of the things I love about Jeff is that Anybody who is a member of Apology of Church for almost any period of time at all?

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Will have heard minimally three sermons on How to demonstrate that Jesus is the

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Messiah from the scriptures to Jewish people. I mean from from the first time that I From the time we started attending there

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I Started, you know, and it's repetitive. He's done it more than once Because we have a lot of people come in come out.

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We got a lot of Young people they work for a while. They go work someplace else you've got a lot of influx and outflux going on in the church and and so He can

01:19:21

Do the prophecy thing really really well, can you Can you would you even want to if you've bought into the ethnic animus?

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That's the question because you know what I have this ministry has seen many

01:19:41

Muslims come to know Christ One of the reasons that's happened is because those

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Muslims know they know I I'm just I'm not out there at speakers corner in London yelling and screaming at them

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I'm sitting down with them. I care about them. I respect them enough to understand what they believe and to communicate with them clearly

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If you have ethnic animus, you're not gonna do that and it comes across believe you me it comes across I've seen people with tremendous knowledge of Islam and Not a shred of the spirit -born love in their heart and it accomplishes nothing

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Tinkling cymbals sounding brass gongs, you know, you know the terms, you know the truth Those are things to think about and I hope you all will think about them.

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So there you go. Uh, a lot of things talk about and Like I said

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Rich will be up till all all hours the night tonight fixing That mistake he already has he already has the equipment put together and My gut feeling is when

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I get home, I think on November 7th And I pull into the park we use to this thing's too big for me to park it in front of my house anymore

01:21:14

It's a house to itself I Measured it. I've not mentioned nothing ever mentions, but it's you know with the pictures about there

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I actually met if I didn't tell riches I had purchased a Tape measure because I wanted to measure those branches.

01:21:30

I want to prove those folks at is too low. I did no Lucy. No, no

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So since I had it Let's measure this baby from the tip of the because it's on that side.

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I'm at the back of it right now It's back window right there. Um from the tip of the of the hitch up front that Wonderful awesome thing that we have up there that has saved the inside of this from so many really bad bumps on the road from the tip of that to the tip of the

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Ladder on the back because that's the last last thing, you know is 40 feet 10 inches.

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So she's right at 41 feet long so 21 foot truck, but it goes inside the bed at least 57 maybe 58 feet long when

01:22:20

I'm going down the road That's yeah, that's that's how big this baby is and So wait,

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I can't I can't park it in front of my house anymore It's just it's just too big So I have a feeling that when

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I when I get to the we use this one particular park We park it there set it up. You can turn the air conditioning on stuff like that and the last few trips you know incomes rich and he's got equipment and he's put all this stuff together and he's done a tremendous job and I I Don't thank him enough because it he has made it so much easier to put the lights up the camera up You know does a tremendous amount of work

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I don't know anybody else that has a 4k studio in the back of the RV the day can set up as quickly as I can

01:23:07

Yeah, it takes a few minutes, but There's really not much you can do about it. You know, I have a feeling he's gonna be standing in that slot

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Holding that bundle of cables that he's gonna have to Stick over there.

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We put everything behind the TV. The TV is out so I can see everything He's put it in there.

01:23:29

So he doesn't have to be editing future dividing lines of me sitting there with the microphone off because I Hit the button and it didn't work or the mute thing didn't work on the

01:23:40

I keep hitting mute on this thing And it doesn't want to mute. It's just rebellious stuff.

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It wasn't designed for that kind of thing So I just have a feeling he's just gonna be standing there going. Come on. Let's go

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I need to get in there. I need to get to work so that that will never ever ever ever ever ever happen again, so anyways with that We are finished for now.

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I don't know if I'm gonna get another program in because I'm gonna be there. We're doing live stuff there

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We'll we'll do the best we can we'll see if we can get get something. We'll let you know on the app Thanks for watching the program.