June 28, 2021 Show with Josh Fryman on “Politics & Current Events in the Pulpit”

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And today I have a very special guest on the program. This is the man that almost became my pastor, but by God's mercy, he dodged a bullet. That is my very dear friend, Pastor Josh Fryman, who was at one time the pastor of Community Baptist Church of Riverhead, Long Island, where I almost became a member before the Lord made it clear to me that he had different plans for me, and that was to move to Pennsylvania.

But Pastor Josh Fryman is currently the pastor of New Testament Baptist Church of Larimore, North Dakota. And today we are addressing a very timely and controversial theme, politics and current events in the pulpit, the church's responsibility to find and to maintain the biblical balance.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Josh Fryman.

Thanks, Chris.

First of all, let our listeners know about New Testament Baptist Church of Larimore, North Dakota.

Well, I retired months ago to the church charge of audience.

Well, praise God for that, that being sandwiched between two communist republics. I hope that the Lord provides for me the opportunity to visit you out there sometime. I've never been to North Dakota, but...

Yeah, we'd love to have you.

Great. And for anybody who would like to find out more information about New Testament Baptist Church of Larimore, North Dakota, you can go to larimorentbc, which stands for newtestamentbaptistchurch .org.

Larimore, L-A-R-I-M-O-R-E-N-T-B-C .org. And I know that you are the son of a Baptist pastor. I don't know if the lineage of pastors goes back any further than that, but is your dad still pastoring?

He is. A quick word if I may, and I know that I don't want to...

I guess that's why the pastor's picture, he's wearing a Union Army uniform and there's a different name than yours.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of history here. No, yeah, my dad does, he pastored in Massachusetts. I wish I had a thought to tell you that.

Of course, I have met your dad, but I've known your father-in-law for many years, long before I ever met you. In fact, it might have even been before you were a Christian.

Yeah, there's no need to rub that in.

I needed that laugh, actually. And send your in-laws and your father, I've never met your mom, but send your in-laws my greetings.

I will, thank you.

And I hope some of them are listening today. Now, can you repeat the city in Ohio where your dad pastors?

Massillon, near Canton.

How do you spell Massillon?

M-A-S-S-I-L-L-O-N.

Okay, all righty. Well, I hope the folks in Ohio will make note of that and visit your dad's church as well. Well, this is a topic that we are addressing today that divides the body of Christ, even divides brothers and sisters in Christ that are identical otherwise in theology and doctrine and practice, might even divide people in the same pew.

They may be very concerned, dismayed, and discouraged by their own pulpit depending upon what side of the fence they are on in regard to politics and current events in the pulpit. But what was the driving force behind you wanting to discuss this topic today?

The Case for Expositional Preaching and Biblical Balance

Well, it's one that has come up, as you just mentioned. It's come up a couple times. I was asked the reason from another church. They said, and I didn't wanna just give a quick answer. Behind the pulpit, we've done through preaching the word and feeding the flock.

And I know that there's a lot of temptation right now, especially with social media the way it is and how everything's kind of in our faces, not just our church. And so there's all this information and there could be a temptation.

I'm not saying every pastor experiences, but there could be a temptation to figure out, okay, which topic should I address this week? What's in the news recently? How should I prepare our church for this?

How should I lead them to think in this? I think that that could actually be problematic. It's why I would be on the side. And that's not saying I don't think that we should address current events. I'm not saying that we should have context, whether it be going through a book, being a reactive, that he had discernedly.

I'm on social media. I have friends that we have trending and personality hit that not that they don't care, we make it out to be, and you have all these voices already, right? And you're one of them.

So I'm thankful that there's good podcasts, YouTube, you name it. There has to be a place they can go where they know they're hearing the truth. Going to ground with a candidate, not an opinion about a presidential candidate or not a message incident.

And this does happen, by the way.

Sean Hannity is, I think at best, a nominal Roman Catholic. He was actually attending an evangelical church on Long Island for quite a while with his wife, but then he left there, and this was years ago that he left there and returned to the Catholic church.

But I don't know right now if he has remained in the Catholic church or any church for that matter. But yeah, I mean, it's clear, as much as I may agree most of the time, not all the time, even politically with Sean, I don't think he understands the gospel.

Right, and there's a place for that. You know, hey, Thursday night, you wanna have a meeting, that's fine, but it's the Lord meeting together. We're assembling ourselves together. Psalm 89 speaks about this.

This is not a New Testament. In Psalm 89, in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about God's people and we're ready to hear the word of God. Time to come together and kinda, that's my greatest fear.

And I think if you were any person who was honest, they'd look at the social media, become almost, at least you would think the same thing. And I'm not, I have conservative values. I'm not saying that conservative.

You think about it, and this is kind of the, there are these things that are dangerous, or the other, and I think especially in the pulpit, ensure that we do that. So when people come into our church, and I realize, you know, we live in North Dakota.

It's a different environment, different culture. People have needs everywhere. Same thing for Christian, or New York, you know? And they're having issues on the church more effectively. They wanna, or they need to, these are also major, I just think it's important that we are, they are people, I mean, I know the Lord's people, but you know, the church.

Yes, and I happen to be one who loves and believes the best biblically faithful methodology to preaching is expositional, expository preaching, where books of the Bible are going through, studied, examined, exegeted by the preacher, pastor.

Yeah, amen.

And so that the congregation, and even those visiting, gets a understanding of God's word in context, and that topical preaching, which has its time, and place for appropriateness, if that is the weekly habit of a pastor, or preacher, to be involved in topical preaching, it may lend itself to hobby-horsing.

But having said that, and I don't even know if you'll disagree with me, but if an area of the scripture that happens to be the area for that Sunday, during an expositional examination of certain texts, happens to directly involve in some way, something that is going on in our culture, like homosexuality, like murder of the unborn, what have you, or even the evil of wokeism in critical race theory, obviously those things are not in the scriptures by that title, or those titles, I should say.

But certainly, thinking of oneself more highly than he ought, and brother hating brother because of their skin color, their ethnicity, these things are in the scriptures.

Yeah, yeah.

And certainly, when you have something as gravely important and dangerous and anti-scriptural as wokeism, as critical race theory, as intersectionality, all of these things that have come to infiltrate and overrun even churches that were once biblically faithful, and some that still claim to be, but they have that intermingled in their teaching, don't you think that a congregation should not be left in ignorance?

I would agree with that wholeheartedly. I think the Bible says that the men of Issachar, they were men of that understanding of the times, and that was to be equipped, is to nourish them and feed them.

I'll give you an example that happened here at our church, and there were several times that right in the study of Acts it met right with what's going on in our world. And I did preach a message on how we ought to obey God rather than man, and I explained how that would be seen in practical ways, and how we want to be good neighbors to our community, but we also don't want to, and we dealt with it.

But then I moved on. I didn't spend four weeks on it. I didn't make it a, you know, there are dangers. I'm not, you know, another illustration makes sense. I had a, and they had something going on, and they needed to get better, obviously, and receive from God how evil their disease received.

Basically, you know, that's really what preaching should be. You know, preaching is, and God's expectations, and my job is to feed the church. They're gonna know. They don't need me to hold their hand in every area.

They don't need me to tell them how to think or how to believe. I've studied, I've prepared. Now I'm gonna feed them with the Lord. They're able to then, right? And we look at this, right? Not necessarily our American ones, and we would find really quickly that, and one of the most, in the New Testament, we've got verses that are quoted on chapter two, but he said, I'm gonna try to see if I can find it here, but, and disputing, and then here's what he said.

He said that you may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst, so they're in the middle of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom you shine as lights. Literally the same epistle he would write about being happy, having joy in your heart, having joy in the Lord, perverse nation.

Micah became an example of church, founded out the word, it's going back to, you're in the middle of a crooked and perverse nation, 2 ,000 years ago, that we have to think on, things that are true, honest, God, end of the chapter, and we're to be wise under that, which is to be informed, absolutely.

But we have to balance, and then we have a group of people in the world, tell them why they need the gospel. Now, really our mission, our homosexuality.

In fact, we have to pick up right where you left off there, because we have to go to our first break.

Okay.

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We are discussing a very timely and controversial theme, politics and current events in the pulpit, the church's responsibility to find and to maintain the biblical balance. Our email address, if you have a question of your own, is chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. You were just saying before the break that the gospel is the answer to every dilemma and evil faced by mankind.

And if you could pick up.

Sure, which I know that that's nothing. And there are lots of is without that we make decision making and fight and all this. Congregations, why, how did that happen? Well, we would, for divisions and schisms in the world, this is in the church, they got issues with each other.

10, he's, he's, well, you don't have, not cliche, that's real, that's doctrine. There is an answer to the world, and it is the gospel. And helping our churches understand that is so important, part of our ministry.

Good to discern evil. And I'm not in any way suggesting we ignore it. A shepherd can't keep being so mean to that wolf. Well, it has nothing to do with him hating the wolf. It has everything to do with him loving his sheep.

And so you better believe there are times when we have to go on the offensive and we attack and we show and we pretend to feed the flock. It's the way you, ignoring one side or the other, it's finding the proper balance.

And I just think with very easy, and it's one thing to sit back and say, look how evil this is, and we should. You should know, you have to engage it, the light. And that there are people that need Christ.

There's people that need the gospel, and that's our job, that's our responsibility. And so while Facebook may be an easy place that can be used to share their video, that's what I'm getting at, is that there's nothing wrong with pointing out error, but make sure you then point to common.

And I praise the Lord for this. This is not, I'm not patting myself on the back. This is the Lord's goodness. And they notice I don't run down other denominations. Now, I have run down other denominations.

Doctrine, I've showed from the Bible, that I have no problem with preaching, that I can't believe they do this. It's a time to expose, and then get to the light. Then get to the cross. Then five minutes, and if anybody, from my job, because I usually go 55, I preach 55 minutes on how you can have hope for life.

We can be good testimonies through this. We can be good examples, through reconciliation, and this is not just, he gives life, and he enables us to do things, we otherwise should be happy. And then, well, I know the path is understanding, as someone who doesn't know the Lord, but let me tell you, you can go back to that if you want.

But I do want to say one quick little thinking about this. I think we find a good example, and like I said, I went to the book of Acts, that he was beat, then washing Paul's stripes, right? And he says, hey, good news, you're able to go.

He had rights when he was getting beat. He never said anything. Christ is preeminent, not prominent, but was not just one thing out of a bunch of things. No, it's one thing over everything, using discernment, and this goes back to through everything else right now.

And then after the man got saved, and his family, then knowing, okay, that's why we were here, we've obeyed, we've finished what we believe the Lord wanted us to do, he said, hey, not so fast. I have rights as a Roman citizen, and he held them accountable.

I think that's a really, he brought them up, that my rights as a Roman citizen are being, and I'm being abused. He genuinely believed that there, and I just think, and I'm not suggesting I've arrived, or I'm trying to, and the deep plow cut into thy very heart.

Those I'll be maimed and wounded and left for dead. I just preached to First Peter recently, and so that's why it's a little fresh in my heart. But this is why Peter says, you come to me, you and I have had discussions before, how weak the American church is.

There is, that would be considered holy, and right, and righteous, a mother and children, a lady wanting to be a mom, wanting to be a wife. These are godly things, these are good things. A husband, you know, to live the rest of his life with one woman, oh, that's old-fashioned.

It's made for, you know, even in some Christians, you and I have discussed in the past how, and that, let me give you a real-life example. Just to be a Christian, I'm not saying he's not saved, I'm just telling you about his guns and the Second Amendment.

And my guns, you can come and take them, and then see what happens. We strive to live after, you know, not a big deal, die anyway, you know, we're better off without them in our population. He already had his faith, and the Bible says we can rebuke them, and said, you don't know what spirit you are.

I'm not trying to destroy, you know, these weren't outliers, this was James and John. If James and John, they can be condemnatory in writing off an entire group of people because their ego has been affected, well, then better.

I'm gonna be able to, as a pastor, equip and feed and teach and train and lead my church, not just by preaching, but by example, that we cannot be like that. It's very sad, then you're my enemy, John.

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Browse the pages at ease, shop at your leisure, and purchase with confidence at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service. Order online at cvbbs .com. That's cvbbs .com. Or you can order by phone at 1 -800 -656 -0231.

That's 1 -800 -656 -0231. Please let our friends at CVBBS know that you heard about them on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. Lindbrook Baptist Church on 225 Earl Avenue in Lindbrook, Long Island, is teaching God's timeless truths in the 21st century.

Our church is far more than a Sunday worship service.

It's a place of learning where the scriptures are studied and the preaching of the gospel is clear and relevant. It's like a gym where one can exercise their faith through community involvement. It's like a hospital for wounded souls where one can find compassionate people and healing.