The Laborers' Podcast

Podcast this is the Holy Spirit part 4. We hope you will stick around and join us. Welcome again to the laborers podcast. We are so thankful that you are watching or listening joining us live or later on the recorded episode.

We're so grateful for you and your support. The comment line is open. We'd love to hear from you heavy questions or critiques. We'll try to answer those questions the best we can and get back to you. And we'd like to pray for you too.

So just let us know if we can pray for you. I'm glad to have with me big John and who does the real real talk with big John podcast. Tyler who does bread of the word? Podcast and we're going to have Jesse that you kind of knocks back with us who does Bible theory podcast and the happy Calvinist Claude Ramsey who does the here I stand theology podcast.

How you guys doing tonight? Doing well. Doing. Good good good. So we are on Holy Spirit part 4 and you know I think this this series could go on for months. Hopefully we can wrap it up tonight and I'm looking forward to getting started with these questions.

And and let's start at the top of the list and we'll start at the top of the screen with big John. Looking forward to hearing what you guys have to say. I don't know exactly where everyone is on some of these answers.

This topic can be quite controversial for some people. But we want to love one another and grow from one another as we have this conversation. So number one big John. Yes, sir. Explain what it means. We baptized in the Holy Spirit.

So In the in the Church of God we we teach that After salvation there there can be a time at a time of the Lord's choosing where he baptizes you. Christ baptizes you in his Holy Spirit and There's We always like to go to the book.

I think that Sometimes there's a differences of opinion as to what that looks like in terms of whether someone is in field with the Holy Spirit and whether someone is baptized with the Holy Spirit in John chapter 20 and We're starting 21 or we'll go back to 19 for some for some context if that's okay in the evening Of that first day of the week the disciples were gathered together With the doors locked because of the fear of the Jews then Jesus came stood among them and he said peace to you.

Having said this he showed them his hands and aside so that the disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. Then he said to them again. Peace to you as the father has sent me I also send you after saying this he breathed on them and said receive the Holy Spirit.

If you forgive sins of any they will be forgiven of them and if you retain the sins of any they will be retained and then in in Acts We'll start at 1 and 4 while While he was together with him. He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for the father's promise.

Then he said you've heard this from me for John baptized with water. But you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. So then he had come together and they asked him Lord at the time are you restoring the kingdom?

To Israel and he said it is not for you to know the times or the periods for the father has sent his own authority but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all of Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth now.

When you see in John obviously those are two different books so we need to be careful I suppose that we we get the right The right context surrounding them, but when he speaks to them in that chamber As he breathes on them, they receive his spirit to me.

This is This is reminiscent of what you see in Genesis where he breathed in Adams nostrils and it and man became a living soul but that May have been the infilling of the Holy Spirit. But there appeared to be a later Baptism of the Holy Spirit for these folks that would have endowed them with the power for the ministry that he had called them to do and and This is where I suppose the some of the biggest Disagreements we would have in concern concerning this topic and I'd like to I'd like to state it up front that the Lord does not Baptize folks with the Holy Spirit so that they can have excellent church services and run around and jump and shout.

But the Holy Spirit baptism was sent for ministry to be accomplished because it was necessary that God That God secured this ministry by his own power and with his own sovereign will. Does that make sense?

Yep, so. Does that answer the bulk of the question brother Rob in terms of what what I understand? And obviously we could go into it deeper if you'd like me to but. But the differences of opinions I think some folks look at the Holy Spirit baptismus as the infilling of the Holy Spirit whereas I would look at it more as a a an Infilling of the Holy Spirit would be a different set of circumstances opposed to the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Well, yeah, I appreciate that and and I think we're going to get. Because we're from different backgrounds and like I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure where where each one of us land on these issues yet.

So it's good from your background of where you're coming from. You're giving us an understanding of How you viewed this this subject? Yes, sir, and where you stand on the issue. So yeah, I think it's really important to do that that you that you give us that information.

We see where you're coming from. When you when you talk about the infilling of the Holy Spirit and and you're describing it you're you're looking at it. Looking at it from scripture. It kind of made me think of the conversation that we were having before in the other podcast podcast about the Holy Spirit.

We were looking the Old Testament figure. Mm-hmm. Where they were indwelled or or infilled with the Holy Spirit and.

Or well most of the time most of the time you would read in the Old Testament you would see where the Holy Spirit would Descend on someone for a moment and time to accomplish whatever it is. God desired to accomplish in that moment.

I've always kind of jokingly said and and It's sort of being serious when I say it too. Is that I believe there were moments in history that were so important to be right that God said now I'm not leaving you to do This on your own because if they give you an opportunity to do this on your own, you're gonna mess this up so I'm gonna do it so that it's done correctly and because of man's hard-heartedness and because of man's Stiff-necked behavior that has he has shown through the Exodus and the wanderings in the wilderness God did not dwell in his people at that time, but he lived among his people in periods of time that he chose.

It's also I think important to recognize that that all of this the infilling the moving on of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of the Holy Spirit these are. These are moments that God dictates when this happens.

This is there's no prayer to pray to cause God to save you any more than there would be a prayer that you could pray or would force God to. And fill you with Holy Spirit. I believe it the moment that you're saved his Holy Spirit lives in you dwells in you you're in field with his Holy Spirit.

And I believe that at the moment when he calls you he baptizes you with Holy Spirit and and I always want to preface this because sometimes I think this is the biggest misconception you have. I'm a Pentecostal and by nature were charismatic.

But we're not foolishly charismatic with absolutely no no between a Pentecostal and a charismatic I've heard it called here. Charismatic where just anything goes as long as it feels good in the moment.

Which is I mean has absolutely no different than what the world would do. And I'm not a I'm a continuationist and that I believe that God still moves the exact same way that he always has is more As what he wills and in his time.

But You know, it's it's important to remember that that a promise that was in all four gospel counts was that While John would baptize with water and Jesus's disciples was later baptized with water that Jesus himself would be the one who baptizes you in the Holy Spirit and with fire.

But I guess the question that I was trying to ask was do you see that the in feeling or or the Empowering that we were talking about that haven't happened in the Old Testament. With those guys, is that what you're talking about happening in the New Testament from your perspective?

So I suppose so I suppose so because You. So you read about them being baptized with the Holy Spirit Singularly an event in the upper room right in Acts chapter 2. However later on you will hear where Peter was again refilled with the Holy Spirit after having accomplished some misery.

I think it was with the. It was with the Italian cohort Cornelius. Right. I believe I'd go look if I might be wrong. I don't want to misspeak I know everybody's got their finger on axe, but I Believe if you if you read whenever they received the baptism at that moment that it that said they were all filled with the Spirit.

And I assume when you see all it means all including Peter as well. Which I suppose is it I look that is a different event than the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Okay. Did I clear it up or did that just continue to muddy the waters.

Yeah, yeah, you know, I think that was great and I'd like to hear other perspectives. I know I know. Jonathan you're gonna be coming from a baptistic Continuationist perspective and so that's gonna be interesting point of view.

Tyler Jesse. More the Presbyterian, but I don't know if you get which I don't know which you guys are cessationist or continuationist. And. And Claude. You're gonna be the baptistic side as well. More the baptistic side, so.

Keep on say. Babs Acosta is pastor. John Babs Acosta.

Yes, I am from a. That's right.

You or Presbyterian point of view? The baptism of the Holy Spirit. Which is specifically mentioned in the passage that he read in Acts. You will be baptized by the Holy Spirit. What does that mean from a Baptist perspective or Presbyterian perspective?

I'm looking at scripture right now guys. Yeah, go ahead we repeat the question so baptism of the Holy Spirit. You know, how how would you answer that from your. From your theological background. Your church membership background as a Presbyterian.

How would you answer that question to somebody who's asking? What what is the baptism of the Holy Spirit for New Testament believers?

Well, um, well you have to break that down it's a lot there so let me see the text I will go to would be Ephesians 1 Chapter chapter 1 I think verse 13 I think when he says when you when you heard the word of the truth The gospel of your salvation and believed in him you were sealed.

With the promise of the Holy Spirit, so obviously is talking about seal being sealed with the Holy Spirit. This is assuming that you already have it. That you already have this in dwelling in you and.

Like if you really, you know, there's a lot to it here. Like you could go back to Abraham you could go back to all you know, all types of stuff like that. But um, I think it's not about like if you look at the seal.

You know, I would instead of asking the what I think you should ask the who in that part. Because it says you you know in verse 13 right there says you were sealed with the promise of the Holy Spirit.

So, you know the Holy Spirit comes to dwell and make residence and in the believers in the believers life and a believer's body. Right and a believers, you know life. So I think all Christians would uh would agree with that one and There's I guess there's some nuances here and there when you apply some of the you know, the the you know, the Holy the promises of the Holy Spirit like, you know, a lot of people like to talk about the inheritance of all that.

And but I don't think it's Like when Christians get in trouble Christians can get get get themselves in trouble pretty quickly when they say Holy Spirit. You need proof of it. You need some demonstrations of it to display genuine faith in your life and if you don't have it, you know then it's kind of like a like They become Holy Spirit police, you know what I mean to become the Holy Spirit police.

You know what? I mean? They shake you down and they're like, well, you don't have it in you. And you can't turn this apple into bread or whatever. You know, you ain't a Christian. So I think stuff like that a lot of people, you know, stereotypical Stereotype us, you know in Hollywood and stuff like that.

And I think those are very dangerous areas. So I think you need to ask about the who instead of the what? Obviously, it's a promise Joe to Joe talks about God pouring out his spirit. So that it's already done God fulfilled that promise, you know an axe you know, so it comes down to you know, different caps of you know and being empowered by the Holy Spirit and You know asking for you know for some Christians that get burnt out, you know asking for a fresh Quote-unquote, you know pouring of the Holy Spirit.

Which is basically just like a revival and in their walk with their with their with the Lord. You know because once you have the Holy Spirit you have the Holy Spirit, you know what I mean? Once they've always saved obviously from a reformed perspective, you're not gonna like Abandon the Lord and be like well If you really say if you're really safe, you really got the Holy Spirit.

You only get justified once. You know, so all of that Holy Spirit doctrine has to fall in place with with other with other doctrines, right so you know, so you can't be kind of safe and then and then later not saved and and then somewhat justified and then later later on Justified so you're justified once you got the Holy Spirit once.

There's times in life and sanctification where people were Christians fall away from the Lord, you know with feelings and Their will you know what I mean? We you know, you know, we become dull. We're not as sharp anymore.

So we need a fresh we need a Like a revival in the believers heart and I think of the Puritans like they they talk about this like a ton in their work where Christians fall away from from the Lord and they need a revival of the Holy Spirit in their hearts and so If I could do a lot there so I don't know yeah if I could build off of that a little bit.

With I'm gonna say with that phrase the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I think there's Significance in the fact that that phrase doesn't appear often. Because it is a handful of texts that we see that phrase and I think it's by design and.

And so if we go back to Mark chapter 1 which is one of the examples that John threw out for John the Baptist saying that Jesus would baptize with the Spirit so in John Mark chapter 1 It says John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

And then all the land of Judea and those from Jerusalem went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan River confessing their sins. And he goes on to say I indeed baptize you with water but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit speaking of the Messiah and the challenge with the baptism of John the Baptist is that We're not in we're not post-cross.

The work of redemption has not been accomplished yet. So what does the the baptism mean? It has a different significance and From what I can tell it seems to at least somewhat to hearken back to some of the Levitical understandings of purification and you have this practice in the Old Testament of sometimes Quote baptizing on like the sacrificial birds in the the temple and you couldn't necessarily Immerse them, but you could sprinkle it you could pour it there were other methods that were attached to that understanding of Baptiste so in the Greek well.

And so there's this this understanding of priestly Purification here of being cleansed of sin of being made new Ezekiel chapter 36 Promises that the gift of the Holy Spirit. This is I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean.

I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit inside you. I will take the stony flesh the stony heart out of your flesh and I will give you a heart of flesh.

I will put my spirit inside you and cause you to live by my laws. Respect my rulings and obey them. So when we talk about the Holy Spirit, I think it's somewhat Poetic it's a bit of an illustration of what God is doing of Him purifying us of us of him making us clean something that he works in us.

That may not be Necessarily visible in like an extravagant way like we see in Acts 2. But that God fills us with something new so I'll jump in here for a second. I.

Think one one important thing to recognize is When you're at when someone asks you have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit or baptized in the Holy Ghost? I think you got to understand the context from what they're asking you from.

If a Pentecostal asked me have I been baptized in the Holy Spirit and I'm not saying John's Group I'm talking more more even extreme. They're not asking me if I've been baptized in the Holy Spirit. They've asked me do I speak in tongues?

That's that's the that's the underlying question. So so it's not. It's not a question of the Holy Spirit. It's really a question of yes. Hey Greg. Harry, buddy so that's important to understand who's asking versus a Baptist will never ask you if you've been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Because they don't know half the time don't even acknowledge the Holy Spirit. And so so we've got horrific extremes in all of these camps and and that really do very great disjustice. To the one who Jesus said is better that I go so that you can have this.

That that the one that I'm going to send you the Spirit is better than me myself. He is going to be the one that walks with you and lives with you and it dwells you and empowers you and comforts you and Convicts you and teaches you and washes you and regenerates you and all the promises of God that we have even Romans chapter 8 I really leave with you start with Romans chapter 8 all those promises in Romans chapter 8 they are fulfilled by the power of the gift of the Holy Spirit as we consider Romans 8 one of the Everest of the Bible for Christians.

And so so it's just no depth nor height can separate us from the love of God not even death. So, how does God keep that promise? It's it's that he will never leave us nor forsake us. It's by the Holy Spirit.

So first of all, I just think we need to have a real biblical understanding of the Holy Spirit. The second statement that I want to make before I just address baptism is. The problem is every camp every denomination just makes stuff up that suits there's their their ideology around the Holy Spirit and.

And I usually just tell people quit making stuff up like I've had Pentecostals tell me. Well, you need to learn to speak in tongues because the devil don't understand that that language of that heavenly language and well if 1st Corinthians 13 is Really speaking about a heavenly language though I speak with the tongues of angels, but have not loved if we take that as a literal text.

That is a possibility for mankind. Well, then then I'm pretty sure Satan was an angel and he'll understand what I'm saying. You want to meet if that's exactly the language that I'm using? So let's just don't make stuff up as we go along the Word of God is sufficient.

To deal with every aspect of this and so so now back to the question of baptism the Holy Spirit. You know, if if you ask me every man in this room right now. Have they been baptized in the Holy Spirit?

Number one, I would say yes, and why because the Apostle Paul wrote this in 1st Corinthians chapter 12. That we are all as members of one body. Baptized into the body of Christ by what one spirit a Holy Spirit.

Okay, so Defended or or taken back by the question. About the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That is what gives us unity. We're baptized number one into the body of Christ the core description of 1st Corinthians.

We're baptized into the body being many members, but one body by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. So that's that would be what I would consider the most fundamental definition of baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Um when it comes to Jesus baptizing with the Spirit and by fire I just want to mention about the fire side of it in the Gospels. That fire is not a a happy fire not judgment. That is judgment. Yeah, so so there's a misunderstanding even if I know there is a refiner's fire mentioned in Scripture but Most of the time when God and fire mix together.

It is a fearful thing to fall in the hands of an angry God, but he is an all-consuming fire, so it's typically speaking of judgment except in the context of Sanctification of that refiner's fire that is making us more precious than gold, you know purifying us as in silver.

And so we have an aspect of it. So the baptism of the Holy Spirit number one is a baptizing the body. Now the second thing that I'll say though is I have no problem that someone in their journey of sanctification some of us may have went from A B C D E F G and it's a plodding along to where I explained it this way.

It's not about how much more the Holy Spirit received but it's about how much more of our flesh dies and The greater our flesh dies the more the Spirit has control and the more more of the Spirit will come out of us.

And so your father being a good father. How much more the Holy Spirit will he give you if you ask him? And so that's that's what the Bible tells us. And so that means flesh dies spirit has more control.

So therefore the fruit of the Spirit and the manifestation of the power of the Spirit the more that we're going to have in there so for some people that can be a Plotting in life, but I've also seen people that God doesn't work in their life.

It's such a miracle that they go from a to G in. Seconds, there's this anointing of this power. They they get free from alcohol. They get freed from addiction. They get freed I mean God just does a quick work and I don't have a problem if they're saying this is a pouring out a washing or even a flooding or a Baptism of the Holy Spirit on their life that they were just saturated in such a way by the power of God.

That he did something significant in a short amount of time in their life. I just think man's terminology. We like terminology and we like biblical terminology to handle that and so therefore to try to explain what's happening in people's lives.

We just make up doctrines that try to explain What's going on and and then that's created a grand cabinet have Canyon among denominations and all this kind of thing and so. So is it a second work of grace?

No, I don't think so I think it's the continuation of the first work of grace is my opinion. Okay, because I don't think there's more grace to be received. But there's definitely I need more of that. Okay now the only caveat that I say is we do have a Description and I take the book of Acts as a descriptor rather than a prescription.

Okay. We do have this thing in Acts chapter 19 where Paul asked a group of disciples that are there to Ephesus next chapter 19 verse 2 he says have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed and.

So there's a whole definition going back to what Tyler was just talking about the baptism of John and they like we've never even heard of A Holy Spirit. We've never even heard of a Holy Ghost. Yeah, and he goes what baptism you have when we've got the baptism of John.

Well, these guys are disciples of Jesus that yet Only have a baptism of John and then the Bible says that he baptized them in water laid hands. I'm afraid on and then I'm not afraid to say this most Baptist are afraid to but then they begin to speak in tongues and Prophesy.

Okay, I don't have a problem saying there is always an evidence that when the Holy Spirit is in your life I don't have a problem saying there's always a Evidence. I just don't think it has to be the evidence of speaking in tongues.

But if the God of the universe and dwells your life, we're foolish to say that there won't be change we're foolish to say there won't be evidence if the Holy Ghost really saturate you so. So I do think there's people out there Just like in Acts 19 but I think they believed in Jesus.

But they've been raised up in a context that they they didn't even know nothing about the Holy Spirit they've been raised up in a church that has never taught them anything aborted all scripture of the Holy Spirit because they're afraid of being categorized In some form or fashion.

So we have people out there that are completely ignorant of what the Most precious gift second to only Jesus is what I would say The Holy Ghost the Holy Spirit the gift of Jesus to his people in salvation is his spirit is Him and that's how he is.

Well, and so we need to be teaching that and explaining that. It doesn't have to be quirky and it doesn't have to put us into labels. So that's why I tell people I'm a reformed charismatic or I'm a fab the costal or whatever.

And all I'm trying to say is I just want to stand on the whole council of the Word of God. I mean, I mean the Bible is enough and there's really no denomination that actually in my opinion that Holistically addresses the issue in the doctrine of the Holy Spirit because it's always in this box.

We're over here or it's always in this extreme box over here. But the Bible really is Very open because we have a sovereign God and he does as he pleases. And as he does as he pleases that mean he pours out his spirit on mankind his command for us is to pretend and Surrender and as we surrender Then in his spirit, he'll do all kinds of stuff that don't make any sense to mankind his ways are not our ways.

His thoughts are not our thoughts and it won't make sense to us. We won't have words to say it. So anyways, that's my two cents on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but I think those original questions that I'm saying Really play a key role of who is asking the question because there's an underlying meaning to the question at that Rather than Robert what you're asking is just point-blank.

The scripture says we're baptized by the Holy Spirit. What's that mean? What's that make sense? Yeah, but when you ask from a denominational context There's so many layers under that that that's why it's so hard to unpack this question just only straightforward value so yeah.

Claude do you want to add anything or are you ready for me to do a follow-up type?

But you you go ahead. I'm enjoying listening right now. Okay, so.

Sorry about that. So this is I think this question that Jason is given is is gonna be similar to where I'm going. He says what exactly is different in the lives of those that believe in a separate Holy Spirit baptism versus who don't.

The Sealing of the Holy Spirit and the Question of Practical Difference

So my follow-up Question just listen to what you guys are saying. Jesse he brought up the the sealing of the Holy Spirit. Which was going to be the next question on the list and kind of associating that with baptism of the Holy Spirit.

And and he used the words indwelling make taking residence and and a lot of you guys were making the the correlation between Salvation and the baptism of Holy Spirit that he the baptism happens at salvation he comes in there's a ceiling.

There's a residence there's a he's now living living with you and so. You know, this is gonna this is coming from. You know questions coming from my background who who you know, I've always wanted to talk to more Continuationists more charismatics to get clarity.

So I'm kind of asking and it's it's kind of similar to Jason's question so Big John he he used the terms like refilling where he talked about Peter being refilled and and empowering to to do a certain task and in a Similarity between what we saw in Old Testament believers and and maybe in New Testament believers where Where the Holy Spirit will refill or empower to do a certain task and and there's certain times where we We may say different things.

But we can we can mean the same thing. So are we doing that? Are we saying different things but meaning the same thing or we meaning two different things. Do we have a different? I.

I'm not sure on the last part of your question, but to answer your question and Jason's question. I would echo JC Ryle if you've never read Old Paths by JC Ryle. I encourage you to get this book and read it but In one of the sermons in this book, he states this concerning the evidences by which the Holy Ghost In a man may be known so I would say Jason I would say Rob there is no difference.

What exactly is the difference in the lives of those that believe in a separate Holy Spirit baptism versus the one who don't. I would say Practically there is absolutely no difference because the whole According to his good pleasure like Jonathan said to The Holy Spirit feels like Big John said right us we're sealed with the Holy Spirit as Jesse said and Tyler spoke about there, too.

So I would say Practically, there's no difference in the lives of those that believe in a separate Holy Spirit baptism versus the ones who don't. Because no matter how we understand it Individually the work of the Holy Spirit is the same.

Ryle said this how are we to know whether we are partakers of the Holy Ghost? By what marks may we find out whether we have the Spirit of Christ? And he says this the presence of the Holy Ghost in a man's heart can only be known by the Effects or by the fruits and the effects that he produces.

That's the Holy Spirit the work of the Holy Spirit. He says what are the specific fruits by which the presence of the Spirit in the heart may be known? In Ryle in the 1900 said this I find no difficulty in answering that question.

The Holy Ghost always works after a certain definite pattern just as the bee always forms the cells of its comb In one regular hexagonal shape. So does the Spirit of God work on the heart of man with a uniform result?

So in what happens it whether someone professes to be to have the second blessing of the Holy Spirit or to be saved but to be born again because It is the the work of the Holy Spirit himself to regenerate the heart of man and make us new creatures so the effects and the work the outworking of that same Holy Spirit is Uniform in all who are truly born again now.

It may happen at different rates like like Jonathan said, but it's it's uniform. The Holy Ghost brings conviction of sin. The Holy Ghost Will always be like will always produce a lively faith in Christ and And I'll and I'll be so bold as to say this.

This is where as a reformed Baptist I have such a problem with so many of the reformed Christian folks who think that being a Christian means that you're cold dead and you're dried up. That you don't have any joy that you don't have any hope that you don't that you don't cry that you don't.

Whether you're crying for joy or crying for sadness. That you don't shout that you don't rejoice that you don't get it happy and get excited in the Lord as we talked about in the country that's a problem that I have with many in reformed circles because they so program the Spirit of God out of The life of the individual Christian and in from the life of the church that it just becomes.

Legalism 2 .0. So but Raul goes on to say this and I'll and I'll hush. So he said where the Holy Ghost is they were all be always be a holiness of life again. No. No difference. You've been born again.

The Holy Spirit lives in you and Continually sanctifies you and makes you holy according to the likeness in the image of Christ. Raul goes on where the Holy Ghost is there will always be the habit of earnest private prayer now.

And he said finally the Holy Ghost. Where the Holy Ghost is there will always be a love and a reverence for God's Word. And this is that's it. That's what brought me full circle to what Jonathan was saying there that Ultimately in in Big John said it at the hit right before he said anything.

He said, of course, we got to go to the book. We got to go to the word and that's what the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God does in us through. In the hearts and the minds of his people is that he causes us Moment a moment to be renewed in our inner man.

Yes, I would say Absolutely. There are there are times in our lives where we are. Some may hate me for this. I'll say it where we are Filled in you right? We are renewed. We're energized. It's like it's like the Energizer bunny, right?

You you can tell when the batteries are going dead in your remote because you got to press the button three or four times to Get it. Well, I know what the problem is after this has happened for a month I need to put a new battery in and then you can put that remote underneath the covers and press.

Or it'll change the channel, right. That's brought to us but if we if we so Depersonalize the Holy Spirit so that we separate ourselves and and I've got you know I've got a thing going on right now with a local church up there.

They're the radical NAR style. A Charismatics, right, but listen, we can't go to those extremes. We have to stay balanced. Oh, I think Siri just thought I talked to her. I Wasn't talking to you.

Now it looks like he's got a follow-up question for you. Clyde.

Though I must say from what I see almost all the great heroes of the faith. We're not continuationist.

So you did that's gonna go. I'm sorry. Well, I was just gonna say.

You know any historians called Tyler. Anybody else? Jesse you you have some knowledge on this.

Tertullian maybe a couple people just martyr perhaps. There's a couple people in there that uh, you know would say they were Continuationist in the sense of the Greek word cares meant that cares mania another creator.

Here's Mata cares Mata, you know that that Greek word of the Expression of the Holy Spirit when it manifests right when it comes out when the moon when the miraculous Happens like when God spoke the world into existence.