Steve Ray Exposed, William Albrecht Reviewed

1 Peter and the Call to Give a Defense

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Hey, I'm Maury. Welcome to the dividing line lots and lots and lots of stuff to do today. So I'm gonna jump right into it. I have a bunch of material to cover in Regards to a blog article posted by Steve Ray today.

It is the clearest documentation of the fact that Steve Ray is a liar that I've ever seen in my life. And that is the exact term it is documented. It is clear and I can guarantee you right now He'll never admit it.

Dave Hunt, the Toronto Debates, and the Need for Wisdom

But before we get to that a debate took place last week. Actually three debates took place last week up in Toronto and They involved Dave Hunt Debating as I recall a Hindu and atheist and then Shabir Ali now I would never do something like that in in the space of about 28 hours.

Dave I believe is in his late 70s early 80s something like that. He recently had hip replacement surgery. I think this is a clear indication that somebody needs to be able to tell him that's not wise Don't do that.

But evidently there isn't anyone who can say no To Dave Hunt and as a result the cause of Christ suffers and that's that's a shame and Someone who was at the debate has called in right at the beginning of the program Neil up in Toronto.

Hi Neil. Doing pretty good, so I understand brother Dave wasn't looking real real sprightly and spry.

Unfortunately the flack because of his age 28 hours hip was obviously bothering painful every time he stood up. Yep burning as well. Oh my goodness.

I'm sorry. Somebody has to be responsible that that's just foolishness. I'm I'm 45 years of age, and I would not put myself through that and To do that. I I cannot even begin to understand. But anyway, tell us a little bit about about the context.

I've been being told that this was a really weird context for a Muslim Christian debate.

Yeah, the original title apparently was supposed to be Christianity versus Islam. Then I understand Shabir Ali had a change to the Quran versus the Bible which he would have loved to do. But when Dave got to speak he was first he did not realize that the topic had been changed.

Which was quite ironic because I get their email. Yep. Yep. I got the same email. Yeah, okay. Well when he started in he just did a total trashing and vitriolic attack on Islam. Some Documentation you've Bartimaeus we went together right there.

I made self a note, you know somewhere through it because a great job. It was like day was almost time.

Like he just didn't really know what he was talking about and and sadly Shabir is very very good at. You know, I would just describe it as judo debating in judo you you use the the force of the other person As your main way of doing things, he's very very good at turning anything.

Someone says in in that way So yeah, I expected that part.

Yeah, he what he just opened the door for Shabir to go into the Old Testament all the violent passages there. Yep, and he made a very interesting comment that Samson probably was the first suicide killer.

Yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, he killed more than 9 -11. Oh.

Very. Yeah, yeah, no kidding. Now Neil what I meant by context originally though was this was in a Catholic high school. It was in a Roman Catholic high school, right?

Which is kind of mind-boggling considering Dave Hunt's attitude towards Catholicism.

No kidding but now I also Steve told me that the the person who put this on is a former Evangelical who became a Roman Catholic. No, the moderator was the moderator was yeah, Michael Korn.

He did an excellent job in the moderation. I'm talking to him. I said, you know, I'm not a Catholic. I'm offended by some of the books that got there like by Tex Mar Dave cloud and he says, uh, he just shrugged it again.

Well now let me know. So who who was behind all this. It's a young man called Paul McGregor.

He may be a modern-day a Paulist and needs a Priscilla and acrylic. Well, but I'm just confused because I know that the book table could not possibly have been Dave's because Dave wasn't it. Returning it down I just told her I'm not a jacked chick fan and he said well people come into my phone me and say hey I got saved and I prevented myself from asking got saved from what to watch but.

Okay, they go. We're very few Muslims there. So Action though with a couple of also gave. You know told him you know, hey, you know, we can Come to know the real truth and that you'd make a great preacher.

Well, you know, I guess I've started a trend. I've given Shabir a Book books as a gift in each one of our debates. So I guess his library is probably doing quite well.

Well, yeah, I expected he would. Dave hunt admitted that he just maybe saw one or two of Shabir's debate.

Closing Statements from the Toronto Debate

So what was what was the final closing statements what was what was Shabir saying and what was Dave saying.

Well, it's hard to say from my perspective Dave wasn't too bad in his last five minutes because he did get into the gospel a bit then but he missed so many opportunities when Shabir brought up in his 15 minute section about there being no real witnesses for the crucifixion.

No I mean you just jump into first Corinthians 15 3 through 6 and then bring in To Cetus and Josephus could have preached the gospel for his five minutes on that and never jumped into it at all. No I get the feeling that well most people and I would include myself when I first got into Muslim ministry.

And as you study them both more the divide just keeps getting wider and wider all the time. He is like one of these who attacks it Vitrolically and somehow does not seem to be able to separate the follower of whether it's Islam Catholicism or whatever.

System. Right. And you know, that makes a significant difference. Hey, my Muslim contacts know what I believe get along well with them. And Steve's the same way because we go out together. So right. Well.

Neil I really appreciate what you and Steve did. I appreciate you being there. I know it could not have been easy to sit through but.

Now we're there. Were their cameras recording this. Yes. They are. You think you can order it all from the Breeham call website? And try. I've been having trouble getting on to hotmail because that's the one I where I get my I have I get the same.

Updates from being called. I've not seen anything. So yeah.

You know brains and we had a debate was held. One was from Pakistan and this I had. He was very very angry.

Well, that's. Well, we'll get into that. Well, thank you very much. Well gonna appreciate the report.

I'll get back to listening to the rest of the program. Thank you very much winners from the Catholic side. Thank you.

Steve Ray's Blog Attack and the Charge of Dishonesty

All right, well Steve you can you can sort of hold off if you'd like because I've got a bunch I need to cover here. But I did want to give everybody a report. I do not rejoice in in what took place. I I Was very clear when it first came out.

I felt that this was just utter foolishness. I called for Dave not to do it. The fact that he was is is very elderly and physically infirm. I hope then when I get that age There will be somebody around who has enough wisdom to be able to say to me you're trying to do too much.

You need to slow down. You need to heal up. You need to do one debate at a time. You need to have enough time for preparation something and honestly This is part of Dave brought this on himself. Because Dave Hunt's attitude is there's no one who can really teach me anything.

This this was clearly just go look at the videos on YouTube on what love is this? Because he mentions the fact that I had all these people I had friends tell me I shouldn't write this book because I don't know what I'm talking about exactly and what Dave Hunt thinks is is if people tell him he shouldn't be doing something that's a sure sign from God that he should be and That's not wise and the results.

Well are what we see here, so there there you go. There's a report on that. I want to switch gears however because I Got to my email this morning James Swan had sent me an email linking me to Steve Ray's blog.

I would have seen it Once I started my RSS scanning, but sometimes a couple days ago by and I'm just too busy. I was teaching yesterday, and so I was focused on other things and I ran across thanks to Steve Ray, thanks to Jim Swan Steve Ray's blog and I read through the the attack that he launched against yours truly and I.

You know it's it ends with Steve Ray saying I? Always felt sorry for this man myself and often said it makes people who gets too close feel like they need a shower that's that that's the kind of personal vitriolic ad hominem that is the essence of Steve Ray the guy in the Safari hat.

I don't need to engage in that kind of ad hominem. These guys give me more than enough information to demonstrate that they are dishonest in and of themselves and. What this blog article is about? Is about my series on Ignatius and It's amazing to me that the title to the blog article Is was the anti-catholic correct.

I of course being the anti-catholic on YouTube was st Ignatius a Reformed Baptist. Now there seems to be a consistent methodology amongst the Roman Catholic apologists the United States today. Patrick Madrid Catholic answers Steve Ray to purposefully and knowingly With dishonorable intentions lie about me and about what I believe.

Assuming that their people will not actually check out what I have to say. Going back to the envoy article many moons ago where I was lied about there in regards to my CR article on the Council of Nicaea.

And the mocking idea that the early church fathers were Baptists something I never said there was a footnote from a student of mine that said that Athanasius demonstrated a completely non Roman Catholic perspective when he went against the Established church and did so for decades on end and stood firm for the truth.

That's not something that is a mark of Roman Catholicism of course. And of course they then twist that around it there seems to be a purposeful attempt to lie to Their followers to keep them from listening to anything I have to say to poison their minds that to me is a sign that these men know.

That they cannot defend their position in a truthful manner and so they have to use these kinds of tactics. The statement was st. Ignatius Reformed Baptist is a lie, and it's a lie. I'll show you how much it's a lie let me play to you the very beginning of my videos on Ignatius and it also is going to help because I'm going to play William Albrecht's comments a little bit later in the program and he makes reference this to listen to what I actually said and then listen to how Steve Ray lies about it, and how William Albrecht doesn't get it either.

Here's what I had to say. In this series of videos. I would like to provide you with a contrast between the kind of Handling of the early church fathers that is rampant amongst Roman Catholic apologists and what I hope to be the appropriate Handling of these same materials as I have presented in the past on the dividing line webcast specifically I want to look at the writings of Ignatius.

Specifically his epistle to the Smyrnians and the text that is so frequently used by Roman Catholic Apologists to try to promote the idea that Ignatius himself believed in the concept of transubstantiation and things like that.

I will contrast the comments of Steve Ray made on Catholic answers with a presentation I made a number of years ago on the dividing line webcast. It was during a period of time when I was teaching for Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary.

I was teaching a class of special studies class on Patristics and so we're going to go through The text. I'm going to put the text on the screen for you. So you can take a look at it and also on my blog.

I'm linking to the CCEL URL where you can look at both the English and Greek there as well. But I want to provide this opportunity of contrast because you see Roman Catholics I really don't believe can handle the early church fathers in a Accurate fashion without letting dogma get in the way what they keep dogma out.

They're gonna end up contradicting their own dogma if they allow dogma come in they end up misrepresenting the early church fathers only really Protestants can handle the early church fathers in an appropriate way because we don't have to turn them into something other than what they were.

They were the early church fathers. They did not look like me. They certainly didn't look like what Roman Catholics look like today, even though you'll hear Ray make that claim. That he had to become a Roman Catholic because they were clearly Catholic and yet none of these apostolic fathers believe what Ray believes about Mary.

What Ray believes about transubstantiation where he believes about the papacy. His standards are completely upside down and incoherent, which is why these folks struggle so much to debate these issues but especially the Examination of the actual text of Ignatius.

It's going to take me a couple of videos to get it all in because it took me a while to cover it. But I hope you'll find this to be useful, but we need to first start. Okay. So what did I say? What what have I said on this program?

What have I said in print in books in debates for literally now decades? Have I ever said that everyone in the early church believed everything? I believe the way I believe it the answer of course is no anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

That's that's a term. That's a word that speaks of people who are dishonest and who purposefully Promote dishonesty. That's what a liar is. That's someone who knows they're lying and they lie. Anyways, that's a liar.

I have never said that the early church father all the other church fathers reformed Baptists. I've never said that they were Baptists. I said the early church fathers were who they were they contradicted each other.

They had different emphases. They had all sorts of different understandings and different viewpoints. But what I've also said is they were not Roman Catholics. Now the bishops of Rome might fit into that category.

But even then the bishops of Rome did not believe many of the things that modern Roman Catholics do today. They were who they were. I can allow them to be who they were because I do not Dogmatically make any assertions about what they allegedly believed.

That's why I say I can handle them in a fair way. But Roman Catholics because their dogmas say this is the universal consensus of the church all the fathers taught this blah blah blah. They cannot handle the early church fathers in a fair manner that allows them to be who they were.

One of us can handle them fairly one of us cannot. That is what I was trying to say now if Steve Ray Actually watched my videos then he had to have heard me say that and that would make Steve Ray. Or if he didn't watch the videos, then he's guilty of linking to William Albrecht's videos and Yet William Albrecht actually repeated the part where I said that.

So that would make Steve Ray Either way you go the only way he's gonna get around this I can tell you right now because I've figured out how this man Operates he's running around Israel right now guiding a bunch of little old ladies through various Holy Land sites, that's how he makes his money and He they just you know hang on his every word and and he he just you know wears his Safari hat and and and they follow him around and so he doesn't have time really do anything about this, but when he gets back I Doubt he's gonna listen even what I have to say here of course or even he might just glance through the blog article.

But what he's gonna say is well of course I didn't listen to that anti-catholic has to say I'm not gonna waste my time with stuff like that and. So what does that prove us to us about Steve Ray. Well How many times is he on Catholic answers how regularly is he on Catholic answers.

I mean those of you who are honest Catholics who recognize that Ignatius does not use this terminology because that's a Theology it had not yet developed. Why aren't you folks? Calling into Catholic answers and saying you people are an embarrassment.

Why aren't you doing that why is that left up to us this doesn't this demonstrate that as long as it serves mother church. It's okay. You don't have any standards. I Mean I just got done. We just had a call on on Dave Hunt how many times have I criticized Dave Hunt?

Dave Hunt and I would believe a lot of the same things about the Roman Catholic Church. But I have a standard that means that I need to criticize him when he misrepresents Rome. Just the same way when he misrepresents me.

Why don't you have those standards? I don't understand that. Well Yes, I do understand that but it demonstrates something about the Roman Catholic system doesn't it it most assuredly does so. By the way before we look at he he he links to William Albrecht of the Catholic legate and he links to both of his responses, so I'm gonna send Steve Ray Catholic apologist extraordinaire has linked to these.

I am going to play William Albrecht responses, and I'm going to demonstrate that they are anything but responses, and if this is what Steve Ray an Ignatius press author a man who makes films about the early church a Frequent guest presented as an expert on the early church by Catholic answers if this is what he thinks is a Meaningful response to my series on Ignatius where I went through that chapter to the Smyrnians phrase by phrase Using the original language placing this as historical context if he thinks this is a response folks Put the gravestone over Catholic apologetics.

It's over with there isn't even a contest left. It's no wonder we can't get people to debate. Because they have put their hands up in the air and said we give up we can't do this. That's that's what they're doing this most amazing Capitulation I have ever seen on the part of pretty much anybody is what you're seeing in this type of situation, but Before we take a look at that.

I just note If you want the most incredible tactics I Don't know I could not look at myself in the mirror in the morning if I behave the way Steve Ray behaves. Because not only does he link to Albrecht, but then Look at this by the way a very capitalized very reputable theologian wrote to me yesterday saying I Just wanted to bring to your attention James White's analysis of your use of Ignatius of Antioch.

White's analysis may very well be the worst Form of sophism I have ever heard in fact I began feeling really sorry for him. I was embarrassed for him. You should be proud of your work and the fact that your strongest critics wind up making your case even better.

Keep up the good work. Any substance to that. No of course not. I have not seen one Substantive reply anywhere to what I said about Ignatius. Not one Roman Catholic has gone in the original language of Ignatius.

Not one of them Has even shown the first knowledge of the difference between the Latin and the Greek of Ignatius. Not one of them has ever taught a class on Ignatius on the graduate level. Not one of them has a clue what in the world they're talking about.

Not one of them and Here's this very reputable theologian now one of two things is true either. This is made up by Ray. It's possible The man's very dishonest or this man who has written to him knows he could never defend what he's writing.

In debate and.

He's not gonna put himself in a position of having to do so. Who is this very reputable theologian. I'd like a name I'd like to be able to contact him. Would this person like to come on the program. I will allow the very reputable theologian to come on the program.

I'll give you 20 minutes Uninterrupted at your leisure at your schedule. We will change the schedule of the dividing line very reputable theologian to fit your schedule. I will give you 20 minutes to make your case to demonstrate Why it is embarrassing for me to have read Ignatius the way that I did as Long as you will then spend 40 minutes answering my questions based upon the Greek text of Ignatius.

If you don't do it, you ain't very reputable. Are you? Anybody want to take bets on where that's gonna happen. Nope. It won't happen. But this challenge is out there Steve Ray. Get your reputable theologian.

We will give him 20 minutes and we will air it live so that everybody who listens this program can hear How how dumb how stupid how embarrassing James White is here's your opportunity. Would Catholic answers ever give me 20 uninterrupted minutes on Catholic answers live?

What does that tell you folks one side has the truth one side doesn't and the other side knows it doesn't. That's the difference between us all there is to it so anonymous theologians left aside now. Let's take a look at what William Albrecht had to say here.

That's the opening of the video there. It's very pretty little opening. I think probably did that because I had a nice pretty opening to mine, but Let's listen to what William Albrecht had to say. He has two videos.

They're not quite ten minutes each. We should be able to get Most of it and depending upon how much time we we we have let's listen to what he has to say.

William Albrecht's Response to Ignatius

Alright, I apologize for not having gotten this done a little earlier.

Usually before recording videos on the for my youtube account. I just just real briefly remember. This is supposed to be a response to five videos on Ignatius and if you remember the videos there on my youtube account I quote Directly all of the chapter on the Smyrnians.

It was about a I think 50 minute presentation I made back in 2004 on the subject of Ignatius. So let's let how much of a response to what I really said. 50 minutes worth of discussion on Ignatius. Let's see how much of a response we go.

I ran out my transcript well.

I'm in sick for a few days so far. But now I'm here, and I want to deal with a few things that James White has been up to once again. A little while back James White posted a video series dealing with st. Ignatius of Antioch and If you watch his video said he criticizes Catholics in a very ugly manner.

Yeah, just like Steve Ray. I'm constantly saying that just just dealing with Catholic apologists makes me want to take a shower. Like Steve Ray said about me today. Is that is that what I do. I don't think.

Excuse me he even um gives impersonations of us and a little bit of a very.

Impersonate Christopher I. Impersonate Christopher Hitchens. Not Catholic.

Very rude manning. You know James White sometimes lacks a lot of respect. He needs to be put in his place.

And that's what I'm here for. I'm here to defend the Catholic Church of Christ as.

Founded the church in which the gates of hell will never prevail over. I'm here to defend it Do my best to serve Christ in the fullest and I believe that James White is Very dishonest when it comes to the usage of the church fathers I believe he has to be.

You know as a Protestant James White is stuck in a rough position. You know the early church did not Believe or view the Bible in the way that he does so it's rough For him to really read the early church without ripping them out of their context now.

That's my accusation against Roman Catholics. The difference is going to be I then go and I give you in context. Translated by myself if I need to. Examples of what I'm saying. And that's the one thing we're not going to get from William.

What William believes. See context for William is what modern Rome teaches. See we think the word context means the context in which Ignatius wrote in which he lived. That's not what context is for William.

You need to understand that or you're not gonna understand what he's saying. Context for William is what I believe establishes the context of the entirety of church history and. So if you read anybody in church history disagrees with me that means that you are taking them out of context.

So the English language doesn't have any meaning. Context doesn't have any meaning. It's just been re worded shall we say. And This remember folks this what does Steve Ray do. Does he defend himself? No, when he when he lied about Jerome who defended him Gary Machuta.

He tried to defend himself on the 30 ,000 denominations thing, but but melted down. He lied about Jerome Machuta now. He's letting William Albrecht defend him on the Ignatius now. So this is this is what he says is a good response to what I said.

And well, you know, I know that James White knows that the early church was not Protestant. So I do not. That's why I do not understand what he can rip them out of context so what he does. But anyway, we're gonna touch upon the series in which he deals upon.

He actually is attempting to to to to make Steve Ray a Catholic apologist whom I have Spoken with. Look that he's attempting to make Steve Ray look bad here. And uh, I think I'm gonna go ahead and try it.

Let's see where it had you. Because I know I know he's really busy right now.

And he's really busy running around Israel, yeah, I want to start off with this video is uh,.

And we're gonna cover all five of the videos and the relevant parts that we need to the James White is done on Ignatius. I've been in 28 seconds into the video. We hear James White making that make the accusation that Roman Catholics cannot handle the early church fathers in an accurate fashion.

Then we hear that only really Protestants can handle the early church fathers now. That's the section.

I just played for you. And what did I say? The reason being Rome reads her dogmas into the early church. We don't have any dogmas that we have to read into the early church because of our view of authority and solo scriptura.

Now listen as. After having said that listen as. William Albrecht gives us one of the clearest examples of reading your dogmas into the early church in the exact fashion that I talked about.

Couldn't help but laugh a little here. The early church which believed in the privacy of the Pope prayer to the Saints gave respect you to Mary. Did not believe in the premillennial rapture. Believe in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

And the early church to give us a Bible not the Protestant Bible left in seven Books, but the complete Bible. It's that early church that the Protestants can handle right?

That makes no sense whatsoever. Now did you hear that? What this is? This is the entire substance of William Albrecht is. He says the early church believed what I believe. Remember the first video I played of him.

He's standing up against the wall. He's sort of whispering. There's some cellophane crumpled down along the bottom somewhere. I don't know what's going on. But everyone he'll walk out of the frame and play something and walk back into the frame and he's sitting there hitting his hand.

He's going the early church was Catholic and they believe what the Catholics believe. They believe exactly what I believe about the transportation and he's just doing all this stuff. I was first one I ever saw of him.

That's what he believes. He believes they believe in the primacy of the Pope now how many times we demonstrated that's not true. Ignatius writes to the church at Rome not to the bishop at Rome. There is so much evidence.

Cyprian and Stephen Augustine and Zosimus, there's all this stuff. But that's just all context. That's just all a context. They believe what I believe they believe what I believed about prayers of the Saints same way that we've and and serious Roman Catholic scholarship recognizes that these things developed over time a serious Roman Catholic scholarship isn't gonna make this kind of of argument, but William doesn't know that and.

Did he get pre-tribulational rapture. Could somebody tell me when in the world I've taught that hello. Hello anybody out there on this program a couple years ago. Remember I came out finally defying the mescatology.

It's called a millennial ism not pre-millennial ism. Yeah, might want to do some homework might want to do some research might want to figure out what's going on there but here's the whole point is from his perspective the early church looked exactly like Rome does today and therefore anyone who disagrees you're misquoting and you're ripping out of context now.

That means those words no longer have normative meaning because when I talk about ripping out of context I actually demonstrate what a context is. I use the term context in the English language. We're not using the term context anymore the term context now means for for William what I believe and.

So if you contradict what I believe then you are doing so out of context now, is that rational? No, it makes no sense whatsoever. But that's what William is all about. That's and that's this is the guy that Steve Ray is.

Referring us to Steve Ray thinks this is a great response. Did he listen to it? I don't know. Would it matter Steve Ray, I don't know doubt it. That would require you to be actually concerned about truth and things like that.

And I have no evidence whatsoever that Steve Ray is concerned about truth. So, I don't know but that's what he's saying.

But it's no wonder why James White has never been able to deal with the early fathers in a cogent manner. In each one of my videos I have done I've demonstrated that James never dealt with any of the fathers that I mentioned that referred to the Eucharist being the substantial presence of Christ now.

Anybody remember a dividing line where I spent a long time on Tertullian. I still got the books sitting right over here and we talked about Augustine and there are entire videos up providing all these quotations and again He says well you miss quoted Augustine.

What he means by that is you interpret Augustine differently than I do. That's that's that's the whole substance of it. And so when you make this kind of argumentation, it's called Ipsodixon. It's because I say so.

I don't have to give you citations. I don't have to demonstrate that my reading of these early church fathers is fair to them in their context. I don't have to demonstrate that the meanings of the words that I give are the meanings that they used.

I don't have to demonstrate any of that. It's because I say it you are to believe it. Ipsodixon. That's the argumentation the real presence.

He never dealt with any of the fathers that I used but also dealt with the papacy in the videos that I've used to respond To him. I hope people will go back and look at his videos and look at mine. Yes, do so avoids the fathers that are a problem to him.

I try to twist those that have some ambiguity in them to his spiking.

Now notice twist so on so forth. If you're gonna make those accusations back him up when he backs him up I blow him out of the water because he doesn't deal with the early church father. He can't read the original languages.

He doesn't have access to resources that I have and it's it's embarrassing. I'm sorry for William. But you know, I was ready just forget about William I said in one of my videos last week, you know. You go to a certain point then you let someone just do their thing and you leave it to listeners if Steve Ray had not Linked to him and said ah, look at these awesome responses I don't think I would have mentioned him once again, but since Steve Ray Catholic answers special guest Etc. Etc. Ignatius author has linked to him.

Well, then we need to hold William to the same standards that well everybody else needs to be held.

Unfortunately that hasn't worked for him either. In fact, I think James has such a difficult time admitting what he is wrong that he lets his own dogma blind him a good. Instance of this is his wrenching st. Augustine out of context, but this isn't something novel.

His hero John Calvin was the one who came up with the very arguments in the real presence that you hear in James White parody. Unfortunately for James White I've documented his errors and Augustine many times over and I've shown him just how badly he not only Misquoted Augustine, but how badly he used him out of context to try and disprove the Eucharist.

I suggest anyone who listens to this video take notes.

Now remember what have we heard about Ignatius so far? Have we heard anything about the background of the letter to the Smyrnians about about the fact that no, this isn't actually an anti-docetic Diatribe that this isn't his concern here.

Have you heard any of that? Have we heard any substantive? Argumentation whatsoever so far other than Ipsa Dixit. Hey, I've refuted him over here. Remember Dave Armstrong last week. Remember how Dave Armstrong his biggest argument is to me is I've written all these papers against James and he doesn't refute any of them.