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Well, greetings, welcome to the Vimeline. My name is James White and we have a special guest today So I'm not going to do the normal chit -chat with Rich and things like that.

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Rich is here So those of you who are Rich fans, don't worry. We will we will get to him later on I suppose but we have a special guest and I'll be honest with you.

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I'm not sure exactly how long we have him for So that's why I'm not gonna wait too long to bring on Former Navy SEAL Asa Miller.

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Asa, thank you very much for Joining us on the the program today I'm I'm not gonna tell anyone where you are because I'll be perfectly honest with you the the background behind you

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I don't know if you can see it, but we were sort of mocking Brian as he was setting stuff up because some of the camera angles we were starting to think it looked a little bit too much like Hamas Hiding to some place in the tunnel

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Going going if he will take your women and children and so yeah, no, we don't want to do that You are here in the good old

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United States and you are a part of an upcoming release that We're gonna be talking about SEALs beat

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Biden SEALs beat Biden So we'll get into that in just a moment. But first let's start off with with you a little bit you don't look like the type of guy that I would want to cross swords with You were a

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Navy SEAL for I believe six years Yes, sir. All right I've seen the movies.

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I've read the books the the buds training and all that wonderful fun stuff

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We're only the strong survive It's quite a it's quite a brotherhood that you have been a been a part of Tell me as you see what's happening in the world today

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And you look back on your your your six years You know,

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I Desperately want to go the Air Force Academy when I was when I was Oh somewhere in early high school somewhere around there

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Eventually reality and the fact that my eyes stunk Caught up with me on that though I it did help me get really good grades because I knew

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I was gonna have to climb that hill but young people looking at Military service and things like that The world's changing a lot,

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I mean I look back six years Though that was a completely different time a very different time than we're living in today

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Wouldn't you wouldn't you say that things have changed a lot in six years? They definitely changed and it's it's sad

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You you talk about like you wanted to join the military young kids wanted to join the military and it's something

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I actually am struggling with right now because I've had friends and family recently even asking, you know Hey, what's your opinion?

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Like should he go marine or officer or whatnot? And Part of me wants to you know, be like, yes, it's incredible You know best memories of my life were in the military learned so much grew as a you know

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As a man as a person in general, but at the same time, I mean you see what our administration and senior military military leadership are doing to the military as an institution and it's

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It's tragic It's it's definitely not an easy answer like it used to be for the last few decades.

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Oh, yeah yeah, that certainly is as I look at the infiltration of a completely foreign worldview that well, you're

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I'm sure you're familiar with the Adams quote from one of the founding fathers who said the Constitution is only is only sufficient for a moral and religious people yeah, and there there had to be that kind of of Limitations on Governments and things like that.

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There was a part of the Christian worldview with the repudiation of that It's just amazing how effective it has been to go for the military to go

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Into that area and to see what's going on today It really does

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You know on the one hand we we we want to We want to love our military we want to love the

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SEAL teams and things like that and all all Americans have a well should have a tremendous pride in the fact that We've been able to do good and proper things but all of that depends on the

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You you use the term administration. I I Since 2020

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I'm using the term regime Because an administration Administers the laws that came before it rather than just ignoring all of them and coming up with new stuff.

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And so this new regime It's hard to hard to respect and it's it's it's really really hard to then go.

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Okay There has to be chain of command there has to be

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Obedience to orders and all the rest is kind of stuff But when you're being ordered as I understand in certain parts of the military now is required to look at a man and Say Something other than sir

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You're facing the choice of dealing with reality It's only a matter of time before it gets into the actual branches of the military from my understanding

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It started with Admiral Levine Under under the Health and Human Services or one of the other, you know lesser agencies and she's he is parading around as a woman and Has been appointed as an admiral and is instituting this policy and as we've seen

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It's it's a hostile takeover of every element of government and the military generally is the last line of defense

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But it's definitely not far away that absolutely they're gonna be requiring, you know official pronouns

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In in the ranks, which is insane. Yeah, it's insane and it's degrading. That's the real issue is it's it's degrading

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There's a awesome quote, I don't have it up right now Someone was talking about how under the

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Soviet Union What they did to degrade people was to force them to repeat lies

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Force them to repeat things that they knew were not true But it was the only way you could get along and that way you you break people down and that's that's what's happening

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Here as well when you when you have to look at a guy and a not very good -looking guy in the beginning with in a dress and say

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Ma 'am and stuff like that. It's degrading to the entire to the entire system and it you know,

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I had an amazing number of Military men in Iraq and Afghanistan that have told me over the years that the dividing line was a real

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Lifeline for them while they were deployed in the situations they were facing and stuff and one of them actually came by here in Where I live in Phoenix and I took him out shooting

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We used to be easier to do in Phoenix and it is now you got to drive forever to find any place to go shooting anymore, but Other than Ben Avery, but I have an ak -47 and he had destroyed thousands of ak -47s in Iraq But he'd never fired one and So I remember taking him out in the desert and he knelt down and emptied out a clip with out of my ak -47

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And he stood up and sort of looked at because you know, they're not the prettiest looking things in the world No, you know, but he he just sort of looked at and he should he he nodded his head.

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He said That's not a half bad bad firearm And he was he was impressed with it

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That you can make something like that work when it's all sorts of different parts that are just completely Interchangeable, but but one of the things that he told me was that when they had tough missions in Iraq and They were forced to work with UN troops and people from Europe and stuff like that If it was a tough mission

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It would always go to the Americans because the Americans were the only people that were willing to do the tough missions because all this degrading stuff has already been going on in the

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European military long before it started hitting us and So I just recognized that man

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We've got stuff coming and I don't know what the military is gonna look like even five years from now

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Let alone ten years down the road, but things they are changing So obviously when you went know what

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Europe you're in a military family to begin with right, so when you when you first went in you were still looking at the old way of how the military is seen and You know, basically the righteousness of the cause in essence and that's really what's what's what's changing would that be a correct way of putting it

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Definitely. I mean we stand on the souls shoulders of Giants and my dad served for 27 years in the

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Marine Corps He was a huge inspiration to me You look back over the last few decades for the greatest generation and beyond the the military is the most trusted institution in America and I think rightfully so because You could generally look at someone who spent time in the service in uniform and you knew that they had

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Discipline first and foremost, they were men of character. They had were men of integrity they stood for something bigger than themselves and That was the most important thing.

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Everyone has the same rights. Everyone definitely has opinions politically socially But mission came before anything else and so you could rely on these guys that you know when

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When push came to shove they were gonna stand for truth and that's historically how the military has been.

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That's how I Envisioned it going in and honestly for part of my career. That's that's the experience

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I had especially in the lower levels of the enlisted and even lower levels of the officer

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Corps they still are good strong men and women who just want to serve their country and be a part of something bigger than themselves, but We've seen as we kind of mentioned already that just the hostile takeover of institutions and it's you know

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Started with academia and colleges and the last line of defense has been the military

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I think a lot of conservatives and just Common -sense individuals in general kind of thought that the military would always stand as the bastion for common sense because You know, there's no room for Transgender ideologies and abortion on the battlefield.

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So there's no room for mispronouncing someone on the battlefield so I think we kind of overlooked it and I think

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Kovat was the final catalyst that pushed us over the edge because the left had been moving

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These radical ideologies had been moving. They have a mission. They're not stupid and they have

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They have infected the ranks of senior military leadership and administrative

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Officials and when Kovat hit that that was their opportunity to start pushing and pushing hard All of these radical ideologies.

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Yeah. Yeah that really was something that changed everything. So so the film That is coming out and you're you're part of its of its story is

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Telling the story of the fact that and please just tell me because we didn't we didn't really talk much beforehand as to exactly what you're able to talk about and not able to talk about but We were all

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Taking it well some of us were taking a stand early on in regards to The demands that were being made of us

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Some of us who had some science background were going and some of this just doesn't make any sense and when they started talking about The vaccines

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I started doing reading on it, and I'm like, well, wait a minute this there isn't there isn't a week's worth of safety data

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Let alone five years or anything else on these types of things What what in how in the world can anybody be be arguing that this is something that's safe or proper to do and so?

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But that's that's out here in In Freeville, you know, I'm not

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I'm not in the military. So I get to say those things and think those things I mean you've been a pincushion probably during your military career for all sorts of Shots and vaccines everything's because you're you're going all over the world and I know when

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I traveled to Africa and stuff like that I took various shots because you're going into areas where you're gonna be exposed to stuff

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You wouldn't otherwise be exposed to and all that kind of stuff We we sort of we're still thinking in the old ways of thought but then comes the the vaccine mandate coming into the the military and I know

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I my first Exposure to anything here was of course through my fellow pastor

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Jeff Durbin. He contacted me and And I'm not I'm the guy who travels around I don't

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I don't fly anymore I I drive a fifth wheel now and Because well, yeah, you know what in in 2019

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I flew 165 ,000 miles around the world. I taught in Samara Russia and South Africa and all over the place

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So it's not that I have a fear of aircraft or anything else It's that I have a heart condition that if I put a mask on it can trigger super ventricular tachycardia

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Which is significantly more dangerous than a cold So but nobody cared

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I mean the airline the airlines didn't care nobody cared Oh, you just go ahead and die. You may have given us a hundred thousand dollars in ticket fees last year

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We don't care go ahead and die. So That one of the reasons I didn't get to meet with you guys

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Was because I would have had to have driven That a very long distance to make that work at that particular point in time

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But anyways, Jeff contacted me and said I've been contacted by folks in in the Navy SEALs and they want to talk to me about this this vaccine mandate, which

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I assume came from the fact that We had apologia had been You know preaching on this issue

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Maybe Jeff was known because he's a former world karate champion or something Or or maybe because he was in the

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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. You guys are so young Maybe that was maybe that was the connection. I have no earthly idea but He told me he came back from from meeting with y 'all now

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You may not know this so you may be learning something for the first time too. He comes back I think it was on a

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Friday. He came back and he's filling us in and he says they need this and they need this and we're gonna be working with I Think Bradley who's also in the film on on these legal things here and and and one of the things he says was they need a religious exemption statement and an explanation of what the what the reasoning here is and They need it like by Monday or Tuesday.

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This is Friday and I'm listening to this and I'm going Okay, okay

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I've been around here long enough to know Go so Jeff You mentioned this

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Writing something who's who's gonna do that Jeff? well, um most qualified Well James you you've written 24 books.

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So I mean, uh, you know, uh, oh, okay. Thanks Jeff I appreciate that.

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So I I literally only had like about maybe 18 hours of actual writing time

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To to put together what I ended up putting together but yeah, I wrote that that was was then given to you all and proud to have had the opportunity to do it, but it was surprising

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Came about at that particular point in time and I I think it was a few weeks after that I was on the road.

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So I was in my RV and Jeff said, you know, it's you know, it's not looking good My understanding is you actually did get to have a normal separation, right

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Yeah, so I mean this entire situation the whole two years of it are incredibly complex and confusion confusing

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No one kind of had a cookie cutter thing happened to him which is especially surprising because that's what the military is known for but in my particular case

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I Chose to I was in the meeting with Jeff and all the different lawyers and We kind of talked strategy and talked convictions and beliefs and for me

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I personally I was pretty upset with the direction that the administration and Department of Defense and you know

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My own community were going with it and I just I didn't want to submit a religious exemption because I didn't even believe there was a

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Constitutional or lawful grounds for them to submit an order So I chose to not submit any exemptions all

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I did with with the help of Davis young's my lawyer Who's in Seals beat

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Biden as well was I challenged the lawfulness of it outright? And I just said

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I want time to look at the lawfulness of this and I don't think it's a mandatory Order and or a lawful order so I'm not gonna comply and I want to I want to see the evidence basically and then there were other guys who submitted the religious exemptions a lot of guys who submitted the religious exemptions that you helped us craft and We're definitely super grateful for that and our court case involving those actually just got resolved

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I think like three or four days ago and the government is issuing over a million dollars in and fees for that so I appreciate your help and winning that fight and Then there were still other guys who tried to submit medical exemptions

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So we attacked this thing from all angles based on everyone's convictions We wanted to make sure that we were going about this, honestly

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But yeah to answer your question I ended up fighting this with no exemptions in different different avenues for two years about and then my

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Contract was up my initial six -year contract was up in this the May of 2023 this past May and By the time it came around the

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NDA had already been passed that at least put an end to the current struggle of over vaccines

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So I was able to discharge with a regular honorable discharge like anyone else would at the end of their

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Contract, but I have a lot of friends who were separated before that the NDA a was passed

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And so some of them are required to pay back over ten thousand dollars worth of bonuses that they had signed

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Before this craziness happened and they were separated and are now being forced to pay all that money back unexpectedly

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Against their own desires. They wanted to be team guys. They wanted to serve their country All right, they're they're a handful of guys like that in my own community and there

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I believe the numbers over 8 ,500 service wide Marine Corps Army Navy Air Force Coast Guard who were also discharged and some of those guys got dishonorable discharges

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Some of them got general discharges, which takes away pretty much all of your benefits. So There are a lot of different issues

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Not everyone's the same and not everyone is put in a position to do something about it

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Because like I mentioned the NDA put an end to the current problem, but it doesn't rectify All the lot the thousands of lives that were overturned and it also doesn't do anything to prevent something like this happening in the future right and another number

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I think is super important is that when the NDA was finally passed there were 250 ,000 active duty and reserve military members service members across the branches who had not received the vaccine and were all being threatened with Discharges of one nature or the other there were people who were put in the brig

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Which is military prison the punishments were varied and definitely did not meet the crime which there was none

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So the whole point of SEALs beat Biden and my role in it is I have a platform.

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I have the opportunity to raise awareness to all these different issues and the goal is to Push for accountability and to make sure that we reestablish the rule of law for a lack of a better term

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To make sure that this does not happen again, because if we leave it as is if we take the small victory, there's 8 ,000 plus lives who have been put into shambles careers ruined futures goals hopes dreams shattered and There's you know could have been two hundred and fifty thousand and who who's to tell you that you know, once they mandate, you know

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Anyone's you know Alphabet soup of pronouns if people start refusing that are we just gonna face the same exact problem again where we have a politicized military leadership

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Pushing an agenda trying to purge the military of people who are critical thinkers and stand for their beliefs and convictions

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So that's that's really the ultimate goal of SEALs beat Biden is yes kovat. It was the catalyst that was kind of the catchy

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Title that Helps us raise awareness to this and brought it to public view that there is a systemic

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Rot in our military leadership, but the goal of the documentary is to tell some stories and then provide

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Pathways forward and to just raise awareness to the general public that we need to do something about this

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We can't just rest on our meager meager laurels from shutting down one

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Avenue of approach that the enemy took towards us. Yeah, it's obvious. I think to everybody

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That this is just one one step That I think was surprisingly successful from their perspective.

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I think I think a lot of people Expected more pushback than they ended up getting

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From the populace in general. It's sort of sad that in Western culture. There was a

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Fear is an extremely good motivator. There's absolutely no way about it and social media the educational system,

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I mean we were just willing to just Roll over and say pet my tummy as long as you take care of me on so many things

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Without recognizing that, you know, I've been listening as you've been speaking you you were talking earlier

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You're taught you were using terms like responsibility and self -sacrifice and all the rest of stuff I'm sitting here going all of those terms are only meaningful within a particular worldview

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That used to be assumed you didn't assume everybody in the military was a Christian obviously but there was but the whole concept of Duty and honor there's there's no way to ground that in a secular system

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If you're just simply pawn scum that accidentally took the form that you've got there's duty and honor has no meaning there there has to be a foundation to understand all of those things and that was that was part and parcel of the military tradition

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I Know I've I've I've spent a lot of time in my life, you know I teach church history, but I've spent a lot of time studying the war in the

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Pacific in World War two and when you look at What people had to go through at?

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Tarawa and Iwo Jima and Okinawa and of course Guadalcanal the Marines on Guadalcanal you

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You look at at how they held off just a massively superior number of Japanese They only they did that because there was a conviction that gave them the co cohesion and the the ability to do what they did and Once that's gone

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You have to replace it with something else and secularism doesn't offer anything else to put there that's the problem and so When I when

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I listen to you saying these things, you know, a lot of people during the time we're going well look They're military. They just have to do whatever they're told but the problem is

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When when you study history you look at the Nuremberg trials and things like that Doing what you were told was not considered a proper defense at Nuremberg For the for the guards at Auschwitz and Buchenwald and places like that So there's much more to it than that, but it goes to worldview

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It goes to to why you're doing what you're doing the foundation and the legality of the orders

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And that's what you were talking about is saying this isn't this is not an appropriate order because it's malformed

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It does not have the foundation I mean that would have been my argument and in fact, I did include that by the way in the exemption

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Document was there is there is absolutely no way that anyone could argue

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That these vaccines had any kind of meaningful safety data to them at all. And as I'm sure you've kept up with Within just a past couple of weeks

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News came out that they have found plasmid DNA in the

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Pfizer Vials and the Pfizer vaccine vials which is not supposed to be there and that is a form of DNA that can put the mRNA into the genetic code into the genome of the of the human species.

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I mean, it's dangerous It's illegal stuff. I mean it's stuff that the world community says we will never do this

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We know China is doing it, etc, etc, but it's illegal stuff And so so this was all this was all going on and at the same time the the

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Google and Facebook and everybody's saying oh, but you can't talk about this. You can't even communicate about this

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So to say that this is not going to be repeated in the future Obviously it worked so well the first time around they're just gonna modify stuff and keep going unless something happens

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We don't even have to wait for the future I mean you just I'm sure everyone listening to this if they pay attention to military or you know

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Political or even religious issues in our in our world right now I mean Tommy Tuberville senator out of Alabama has been fighting.

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I think for maybe it's definitely a few months I think maybe ten months is the right number. He's been fighting the just basically blank check automatic promotions for senior military leadership

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Which of course they can all still be promoted It just takes individual votes on the Senate, but he's been blocking it over abortion in the

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DOD and It's against federal law for the federal government to fund specifically the

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DOD to fund abortions So the way our current administration and Secretary Lloyd Austin and his minions are doing it is they're giving free leave

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To individuals who want to go across state lines if they are in a state that has restricted abortion

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They if they want to go across state lines They get free leave free emergency leave and then get their travel costs reimbursed plus they get leave on the back end to recover from their abortion and First off why that's a terrible thing

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I mean definitely on this podcast and I would hope everyone with a common sense around the world knows abortion is murder of a child so our

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DOD should be focused on killing the enemy not their own children, but This is once again an immediate current

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Subversion of federal law by the Department of Defense and Pentagon leadership where they are instead of funding the actual abortion they are accommodating those and encouraging those service members to go out and abort their children and One of the to put this in a little bit more perspective if that's not enough

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I early in my career I experienced the death in the family and I had to go home on emergency leave and They were great my leadership was great they followed all the procedures

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I was able to leave training immediately I went home I spent the time that I had available to be with my family in that hard time

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And then I went back at the end of my leave But I was not given any excess time to even grieve with my family, which

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I didn't expect. I got plenty of time I'm not complaining here. But what's disgusting to me is People who are experiencing deaths in the family still have to use

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Pardon me still have to use their regular leave and yet these Individuals who are choosing to abort their own children are giving free leave and getting their travel costs

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Refunded and I mean, there's no better example than that right there like no

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Covid was not a one -off thing. There is this there is an actual agenda they are pushing there are plans in place and they are destroying the rule of law and Something you guys stressed a lot in our meeting and subsequent kind of mentorships was

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Lex Rex The law is king and and there has to be a standard you talked about, you know the the the war in the

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Pacific and I would point to the DJ and the UDT's who are the precursor to my own community where they had a over 90 % casualty rate

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People don't die in war For nothing they die because they love their brothers

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They love their neighbor and there's a standard that they know they're upholding They don't just die for freedom and democracy, but they die for their their fellow, you know sailors fellow

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Marines soldiers that are to the left and right and they all have a common cause a common bond a common love for each other and They want to defend each other's life and that's what the military is built on is a common standard the rule of law and and making sure that injustice does not go unpunished and yet now our

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Department of Defense our Pentagon leadership is more concerned about aborting children in America and Funding terrorists in Hamas and letting you know,

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Afghanistan get overrun by the Taliban we just spent 20 years and thousands of service members lives trillions of dollars trying to to Create a safe environment.

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You can debate whether that was a lawful war or not I don't want to do that here all I'm saying is that we spent a lot of money blood sweat and tears a lot of good men and women died over there for a standard for protection and love and The Department of Defense has just been throwing that out the window and it's no surprise that when you focus on politics and social engineering and you embrace and encourage

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Deviant behavior that you see the largest land war in Europe since World War two going on in Ukraine and you see as I mentioned the terrorist attacks in Israel most deaths of the

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Jewish people since the Holocaust and we see an invasion of our own southern border our military and law enforcement are

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Doing nothing about it either senior leadership or tying You know the people on the grounds hands or they're specifically giving them orders to cut barbed wire and let these people over, right?

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Yeah, it's disgusting and it's because like you mentioned we have gotten away from any semblance of a standard

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We call men women we allow them, you know to put tampons in women's bathrooms and men to go into women's bathrooms and harass and sexually assault them and it's

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Disgusting and we have to do something about it and all of this of course is Again, it's worldview worldview worldview and that's look it's not just the military's been taken over the educational

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Institutions were taken over first you had to That's where it had to start and so the next generation has been given a worldview that has no foundation to be able to explain self -sacrifice discipline

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Any of the things that that made our military what what it was it is interesting to me.

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I'm sure you've read it general Eisenhower warned He saw in his day

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That the influence of money the influence of money and power Could be very very dangerous you know, we had the obviously the strongest military in the world coming out of World War two and he saw

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Even as the commander -in -chief and then as the president that money and power can corrupt all sorts of things

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Including the military complex itself and you just have to wonder how far back all this stuff

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Goes as far as the the directionality to eventually once you rob people

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Of their humanity once you don't believe that you are creating the image of God What a powerful military can do is scary

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Look at what the Soviets did look at what China is doing to its own people once you lose that it it becomes extremely dangerous and so anyway

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Now know when does this fit? Because I don't know. I don't know how much time you've got today I don't want to take up a lot of your time but when does the film come out and how are people going to be able to Watch it.

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How is it going to be distributed? Yeah, so right now we are gonna be releasing in November So for an official date, just go ahead and over go over to Seals beat

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Biden calm You can follow us on social media. We haven't put out an exact release date yet, but it'll be dropping in two separate

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Documentaries the first one or episodes the first one will kind of be telling the story of kovat what happened who was involved

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What was at stake and the second one will go a little bit more in depth on the current issues that we're facing

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Post -kovat and what needs to be done about them. So yeah releasing November of this year and For more updates just head over to Seals beat

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Biden calm Will that will that be released it like in a limited number of theaters or is it all online or exactly?

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How will it are you aware? I mean sometimes that's that stuff can change No, so it's gonna be free to the public our only ask is that you sign up with your email and then

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It'll direct you over to the Republic Sentinel and they're the guys who are producing this and they're they have an awesome up -and -coming conservative

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News outlet where all news is given straight and given through a

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Christian worldview So our only ask is that you subscribe to the to the email list and You get the both episodes for free on your digital device.

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Okay. All right So it'll be a digital download type thing or a website or something Yeah, you'll be able to watch it all all digitally and the first episode will be dropping in in November and then the other one weeks after months after Um, you know,

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I can't actually tell you but I believe they should both be in November Oh, okay. Okay. But yeah, if you head over to Seals beat

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Biden, you'll have all the answers right there. So So now this makes you a movie star

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Are you getting any shirts made that says, you know, I'm I'm both a

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Navy SEAL and a movie star or anything like that. Are you just gonna are you gonna be a nice humble guy? I'm hoping

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I'm hoping this is a one -and -done in the realm We'll get in we'll accomplish the mission and then we'll go back to being

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Yeah, well, you know something tells me we're all in this for the long haul right now to be honest with you because when

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I when I look at the zeal that the other side has the fact they'll get up every single morning and and and I don't know why because It there's nothing

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There's no meaning to it. I mean it's it's destructive of human flourishing. It's destructive of human relationships you know, you were talking about the the the brotherhood that exists in the military and and you know the the great series band of brothers that was done about World War two and The the relationships that develop all of that makes sense in a worldview that recognizes that were made in the image of God it doesn't make any sense for For walking bags of fizzing chemicals to to make these types of commitments or these types of sacrifices

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It just doesn't so I I don't know the well, I do know the motivation. It's the culture of death.

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I get it I understand that but still these folks don't give up They they just keep pushing and keep pushing and keep pushing and we tend to want to get the battle done and then go home be with our families

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But they they just keep going and going and going and so we've got a lot of a

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Lot of work a lot of praying a lot of energy to expend yet. I think and you're a young man

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I have grandchildren and I Trust me When you have your first grandchild mark this down write it down James White told me this would happen but when your

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Baby has a baby all of a sudden you start realizing you are a part of something a whole lot bigger than you ever thought

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You were and it changes everything. Let me clarify. I don't plan on going quietly into the night after this

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There's some great organizations as I mentioned the Sentinel raising awareness telling the truth Also stand with warriors is a new organization

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Well organization that you're probably familiar with they helped kind of fundraise for our our lawyers

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But I've been rebranded and repurposed and I'm super excited about the guys over there

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Davis Yonce has headed that up and they are taking a proactive approach Towards making sure that nothing like this happens in the military specifically and then to a broader

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Governmental agency, so I definitely plan on helping guys like that out. I was just specifically talking about film

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I'm sure I don't want to go to Hollywood No, we definitely have a mission ahead of us that is gonna take a lot more than than a documentary and Purpose is just to raise awareness and and reach people

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Where they're at at their home going about their daily lives working doing the stuff that us, you know

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Common -sense Americans want to do and showing them that we are in a death struggle

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I truly believe that and if we if the if the side of Creation and love and Ultimately God doesn't step up and fight back against these in my opinion evil hateful spiteful

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Individuals who are pushing these ideologies then America as we know it is doesn't have much time left

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That's true. And so while that is kind of doom and gloomy like I totally see you said What's the military gonna be like in five years?

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I think the military in five years could be right back to where it is the most trusted Institution in America with good strong men and women serving their country

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But it just takes individuals young and old Stepping up and saying enough of this insanity.

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Yeah now you've you've worked with Zach Lautenschlager on the film Yes Now there's a connection there that you're probably not aware of Zach is a member of the

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OPC in Magna, Utah with pastor Jason Wallace We have worked with Jason For longer than I think

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Jason wants to admit. We've worked with Jason I was just up there in April for his 25th anniversary celebration 25 years in ministry and Jason's just a wonderful troublemaker

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He arranged I don't know how many debates I've done in Salt Lake City, but Jason's been behind all of them

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In fact, I did you if you haven't had a chance not that you're not busy enough as it is

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Jeff and I have done two debates up in Salt Lake City We did one right before COVID shut everything down with two atheists and it's well known because It's the famous antifreeze debate where one of the atheists poured a cup of antifreeze from a prestone bottle and challenged the

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Christians to drink it in light of Mark 16 that says that Christians can drink poisons and it won't hurt them and I'm gonna tell you

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I'm sitting next to Jeff as This guy's walking toward us across the thing with a with with antifreeze

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Going are we about to get sprayed? Is this gonna be thrown on us? Well, I have no idea what in the world is coming break out his karate

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I was gonna say but I was glad I had Jeff next to me because I figured he can he can take care of whatever is coming

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That ended up being a fascinating debate Jason Wallace the pastor of Zach's Church was the moderator of that debate and then in April of this year we did another debate is

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God necessary for ethics With two atheists there in the same room that Jason put together and both of them went really really well

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I think you'd find them to be That second one was it? I think it was a younger gentleman on the atheist side

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Yes, then kind of an older guy. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I I did watch that a few months ago I thoroughly enjoyed it well and keep something you're watching and keep something in mind that isn't mentioned in the video

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Jeff flew home that next morning Because his mom was dying and in fact, he had gotten word that day.

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He had just arrived that her lung had collapsed So he could have been he could have mailed the debate.

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Yes, he could have mailed that thing Well, a big storm was coming in. In fact, I got trapped in it because I'm driving a huge snowstorm came in got nine inches of snow and so he got out in time and the beautiful thing is

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He was able to lead his mother to the Lord before she died Wow, so that was all in the days after that debate, but he had just gotten that word the day of the debate and Yet as you know, he was on fire in that debate.

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He was laser focused And so that's just one of those things that that I mean,

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I love Jeff and He he says I'm one of his fathers in the faith that I've been a mentor to him and everything else

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But I'm like, I wouldn't be able to do what he did in that situation I really I really don't think I would have had the kind of focus that he had.

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So yeah, that was sacrifice and discipline Yeah. Oh, yeah big time big time I have yet to say it but I need to take this moment to just acknowledge the fact that you guys

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I mean I can't thank you guys enough I was not aware of who any of you guys were before this process started and it it came it we never really got into how we even you know got connected apologia and all the different, you know,

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Davis and and And Bradley, but I just want to take this moment to just say you guys your witness from YouTube to sermons broadcasted to the

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Individual, you know mentorship that we received was so such a blessing and I've grown so much in my own faith

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And I just want to personally thank you. Well, the apology is staff Well, I I will tell you that when

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Jeff contacted me I started this a little bit earlier when Jeff contacted me and this was after the submission of the

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Documents and all the rest that kind of stuff he contacted me I was on the road and He said man things are are sort of tough right now.

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It's discouraging what's going on would you be able to record something for the seals and I'm like Yeah, I I Mean I haven't met with them.

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I haven't even seen their faces It's hard to just look at a camera But I'm just sitting here thinking all the discipline the life training

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The the the sacrifice of so many so much of what other young men are able to have free time to do that you can't do because you're learning and you're being trained and you're

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Doing all these types of things. I tried to put all that in my mind and then just there in my little RV I don't even remember where I was.

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I remember was at night trying to record As best

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I could something that was that recognized the difficulty of the situation that the

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Disappointment of the decisions that were being made but at the same time encouraging in an overarching sense that You're doing something bigger than yourselves

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You're doing something You're taking a stand that will Later in your life.

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You'll be able to look back at this and say that was the right thing That's the only thing I really could do And I don't know

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What what kind of impact something like that from a little old Scottish guy can possibly have?

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but I was honored to have that opportunity to record that and and send it off to to you guys and and So I just I just you need to know for a lot of us we're just so thankful for all that you guys have done and You are the next generation

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Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at a young man here. You're the next generation and I'm gonna tell you

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I had it a whole lot easier than then your generation will you're gonna be facing some serious serious challenges and So my generation is blamed for messing it all up and in many ways.

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That's true My generation believed in the myth of neutrality We allowed things to happen on our watch that we shouldn't have

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Because we just didn't know we didn't see what was coming. But at the same time, I hope some of us have laid a foundation that you all will be able to build on and Not have to rebuild everything because of the work that we've done.

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So that's that's why we do what we're doing and I'm very thankful that we had that opportunity again

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I'm not even sure how the connection Was made either but I'm very thankful that it that it was and so anything that we've done

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We did it for the kingdom of Christ and for his glory and as we're getting older you guys get to take the reins and to to do what's

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Need to be gonna be need to be done. So I I say that to everybody your age.

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Don't worry about it It's something us older guys do But I but I do admit we had it a lot easier than you than you guys well, there's there's no two ways about it

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You're you're gonna be called to a challenging time. So hopefully we can lay some foundation for you and already have in the debates

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If you've only seen that one You've only got a hundred and eighty one more to catch up with all of that.

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I've done A Thank God for giving us the ability to listen at time and a half speed.

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Yes Yeah, that wasn't easy to do back in the days when

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I was listening to debates other people had done because they were on cassette Tape, okay, and it's it's hard to make that go real fast

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That squiggly noise The chipmunk thing it doesn't really help with with any of that type of stuff

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So anyways, AC Miller, thank you so much for letting us know about this upcoming film

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We'll obviously link to because the trailers out There's a trailer out on YouTube. We'll link to the to the trailer and we'll look forward to what you have to say there and I'm just gonna have to find some time when

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I wander by Up there because I have connections as you know there

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But I've never gotten to go in Where you are, I'm not gonna mention unless you want to mention where if unless you're okay with that Yeah, yeah armored

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Republic my son works there and I almost had the opportunity of coming in about six weeks ago

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But my wife got there and picked up the kitten before I got there. So I didn't get that chance to chance to do that but That's a long story that we won't get into right now

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But but thank you so much for spending time with us today And I'm hoping folks will really enjoy the documentary and we'll get the get the word out to everybody

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Thank everybody that was involved with it, and I hope to get to meet you in person sometime Absolutely.

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Thank you so much from your Assistance and mentorship from afar virtually I've appreciated it and it was great to meet you finally face -to -face

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All right, excellent virtually, but well we and we'll we'll do it. We'll do it in real time in the not -too -distant future

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I hope thank you. Thank you for your time. God bless God bless you. All right. Thank you All right.

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Hey, you know, we're not done yet this is still the dividing line, but I wanted to that opportunity presented itself and I wanted to make sure we did that and Get the get that information out there

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All those seals that I now have met Just just amazing guys and when you think of Navy SEALs you you think of six foot four 280 pound linebackers, they're not

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In fact guys that big would struggle to do a lot of this especially the water stuff because they were there in the Navy They're they're originally much more underwater type stuff.

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And then the mission grew You wouldn't want to I mean they are made out of steel.

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I mean, it's just it's just amazing but fascinating guys and I am absolutely convinced that it was absolutely purposeful to Try to get as many of the

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Conservative Grounded men out of the military as possible and that that's it's

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Our nation has been taken over by our enemies folks. It really really has here in the United States and But it's good to hear

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That we can have that kind of positive Influence and impact and we want to continue to be able to do that pray that we will have those opportunities

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What I want to do in the rest of our time, I'm not sure how much time we have

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Rich is rich is good Well, you know you keep telling me that you have to Reserve time

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But you can adjust that. Okay. All right. Well, okay.

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All right. All right. Well, I Didn't know all that but okay

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No, no, no, we're we do not want to do that lunch is calling Um, there was something

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I messed up yesterday On the program and I don't know when we're gonna do another program.

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Maybe I don't know what your schedule looks like on Friday We may be able to sneak a program in on Friday.

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So But I just skipped something yesterday. I had it all queued up But I think what happened was

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I spent a lot more time than I expected to on the textual stuff for some reason I like talking about textual critical issues

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I'm about the only guy on the planet that other than Peter Gurry and a few other people to do. But anyway,

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I Had this ready to go and I just didn't do it. So I want to at least touch on it here totally different topic man, and we're talking about Putting the clutch in you realize how many people?

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Young people have no earthy idea what putting the clutch in means and I don't even know if they make

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Manual transmissions anymore, but that would be the greatest method of keeping some of them stealing your vehicle

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Anyone under 40 could never steal your vehicle because they have no earthly idea Which is that's good idea.

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I'd say that's a really good idea And by the way, yes before we proceed with the next subject.

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I do need to put out a disclaimer with something that you said during the interview and This needs to be corrected immediately because Twitter if it's not already going

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Berserk over this the fact that you talked about going out with an ak -47 and you talked about Putting a clip in it.

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Yes. It's a magazine and Twitter will go berserk over that. It's not a clip.

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It's it's a magazine Just wanted to put that out there and make sure that we understand that that's the word you meant to use

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But not a clip. It was a magazine So I need to put that out there, thank you, but I was quoting someone else oh he

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Used the word clip he knows what a clip is. Okay. All right. All right folks.

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I'm really not sure what just happened now, but Rich actually what just happened was

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Rich puts the camera up. He takes the time to get it ready He didn't turn his light on today.

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Why isn't your light on I turned it off I didn't break it, but there's a switch on the back.

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I had to find it Because when I turned the stuff on it turned on I'm like why are we having a light light on out there?

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But he goes through all this stuff to have the rich cam on and that was just simply so he could talk Didn't mean anything, but it but rich could talk

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Really You're kidding. So there are people out there that don't recognize that they can be used interchangeably depending on the context

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Okay anyway Or when people just freaked out that I mentioned on that program

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I did that I have a AK -47 I Mean you could buy those things a few years ago 15 years ago you 20 years ago.

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You could buy an AK -47 for about 220 yeah about 220 bucks and Like I said, they're ugly

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Mine was Romanian is Romanian They're ugly, but they are completely interchangeable so you can take parts from one made in one place and stick them on parts

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So some of them look like my old 64 Dodge Put together mother thing, but they work and You cannot destroy them unless you run over them with an m1

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Abrams tank Then you can destroy it and that's that's what my friend was doing was There you go.

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Anyway, how did we get on to all that? I have no earthly idea, but I Had this queued up on Yesterday morning,

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I think this article Was posted at the g3 ministries website and It's by Michael Riley called not by what standard but by what means and So I was really really interested when

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I saw the title it could have gone any any one of many directions and What was really really interesting about it is it is a?

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Well, here's one of the subtitles van Till and Christian nationalism So it's an article written from a presuppositional perspective

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Responding to Sort of Doug Wilson who also is

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Vantillian and So much of what It was it was you could be a cool kid

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Over the past 10 years 15 years By saying you were a presuppositionalist that you were a

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Vantillian that was what the cool kids we're doing and Now over the past number of years with the

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Thomistic resourcement and all the rest that kind of stuff There's all these people who have put out videos.

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I used to be a Presuppositionalist and then of course you have your hardcore

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Bruton Liebolt guys that that basically say that if you're a Presuppositionalist you turn

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Jesus into a myth and all this other utter insanity and not even some no semblance of balance at all

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Amongst those intellectuals But Anyway, so I was really interested and I want to sort of look through the the article a bit and Share some of these things with you and discuss it with you

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He says I'm a Vantillian apologist. I am NOT a Christian nationalist and Doug Wilson ably repeatedly

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Places his finger on the apparent tension between those positions as a Vantillian I'm skeptical of the bearing power of natural law

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To be sure because we live in God's universe a person who insists on transgressing God's law

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Will often discover the way of the treacherous is their ruin Proverbs 13 15 But deducing binding invariant morality from natural consequences is not so simple

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Do natural outcomes always indicate moral virtues? Remember the consternation of the psalmist envying the wicked who have no pangs until death their bodies are fat and sleek

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They are not in trouble as others are they're not stricken like the rest of mankind psalm 73 It is true that ASAP is rescued from a collapse of his faith by discerning their end in 73 17 but this conclusion moves us out of the realm of natural law into supernatural revelation

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Vantillian apologists make much of the argument that moral laws have their full justification

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Only if they are situated within a Christian universe This insight is aptly captured by Rush Dooney's piercing question regularly echoed by Wilson and others by what standard?

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The argument is that unmoored from God's revealed law all moral claims reduced to suggestion and preference

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Yep And remember this is at the g3 site, you know, everybody's lobbying bombs at g3

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But this is at the g3 site So I was very appreciative of that the apologetic case built on this observation is straightforward

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No one can meaningfully engage in any argument at all Unless there are universally binding obligations.

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There is a morality to epistemology Now, let me stop Make sure make sure you hear that there is a morality to epistemology epistemology is how we know what we know and in Most Western thinking today and certainly in in secularism

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There is no morality to epistemology at all. They're two completely different things Knowledge is a neutral Thing that just simply exists.

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There is no morality to it and that's why the Chinese are Experimenting with DNA and changing mankind because their worldview has no way of stopping them

01:00:16

Those obligations must be more substantial than manners and conventions as Bonson said to Stein again, the classic debate that took place between Greg Bonson and Gordon Stein 1985 dr.

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Stein has said that the laws of logic are merely conventional I can almost hear this in Greg's voice in a bad recording

01:00:39

If so, then on convention he wins tonight's debate and on convention I win tonight's debate and if you're satisfied with that, you didn't need to come in the first place

01:00:50

You expected the laws of logic to be applied as universal standards of rationality Rationality isn't possible in a universe that just consigns them to convention that would be

01:01:01

I Think that was in the rebuttal. I've listened to it so many times. But anyway

01:01:07

Yet going back to our author here yet. No non -christian worldview can adequately account for such transcendent standards

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Thus when an unbeliever makes his case against God his antitheistic argument presumes the truth of Christianity.

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So this is just You've heard this from Brother Ayala from Jeff Durbin from myself

01:01:30

If you've listened to if read of any any of Bonson's books and Oliphant and frame all students of Greg Bonson of Bantill.

01:01:42

That's where it's coming from The application of this to government seems straightforward if one function of law is

01:01:51

To announce and enforce a public morality. Surely that morality must then be rooted in Christianity for this reason

01:01:57

It's not hard to see what seems to be a necessary connection between ventilion apologetics and Christian nationalism if not full -blown post -millennial theonomy

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My argument is that I can coherently reject Christian nationalism while embracing the ventilion argument that morality has an exclusively

01:02:17

Christian foundation I agree with Wilson on the answer the question by what standard our

01:02:25

Disagreement is better discerned by asking by what means now the reason

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I'm going through all this is this isn't the kind of Meaningful dialogue and discussion that's normally taking place and fact

01:02:44

I Would expect I haven't asked him I could ask him and maybe

01:02:50

I will I Haven't asked Doug if he's gonna respond to this, but I hope he does Because my experience in doing the sweater vest dialogues of Doug is it always brings clarification and Given that this is so well written and thought through And is posted at G3 I Think it'd be awesome if Doug would respond

01:03:17

In written form or in a at least a long blog and may blog type of response, that's that's what

01:03:24

I would like to see So that's why I'm going through it Subtitle the collapse of the consensus we began by considering an example of a human activity with arbitrary rules.

01:03:34

He talked about baseball I Contend we can establish the same pattern if we move up from the trivial example of a baseball game to institutions with more overtly objective moral obligations

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Can a grocery store exist and function without an explicit Christian consensus Again as a ventilian,

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I'm going to insist that functional grocery stores presuppose Christ the determination that avocados don't belong in the toiletry section the trustworthiness of the sums calculated by the cash register

01:04:03

The alarms the door to catch the guy with the pack of replacement razors in his sock All of these would be merely arbitrary and groundless if Christianity were false

01:04:13

Grocery stores properly run our evidence that Jesus truly is Lord again. I agree and Doug Wilson would agree

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Okay Continues on but again Must everyone confess that Jesus is

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Lord for the grocery store to function Must the grocery store itself acknowledge the

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Lordship of Jesus Christ to continue its business baseball games and grocery stores can function at The level of consensus without either the institution nor its participants

01:04:44

Explicitly affirming the Christian theology that gives true moral structure to the consensus It is indisputably true that the duration of that consensus will be extended by a shared coherent

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Moral vision now, there's something that's important notice. It is indisputably true

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That the duration of that consensus will be extended by a shared Coherent moral vision.

01:05:09

So in other words, this may not be where he would be going, but I pause for a moment What have we been watching recently?

01:05:17

Why are CVS's and Walgreens closing in many neighborhoods in major cities

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Because we've all watched the people just walking in and filling bags not with foodstuffs to feed their family

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But with stuff to sell to get drugs And the employees have been told you can't stop them

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You can't stop them from doing what they're doing There's where the consensus is gone

01:05:48

Because these people do not have what was assumed Only a few years ago pretty much in all of our society in all of our society

01:05:57

That there is such thing as private property and someone else's property doesn't belong to you and it's wrong for you to take their property

01:06:05

And that you have a moral obligation before God not to be a thief That's gone

01:06:12

Okay, that's gone Why is it gone? Well, that's part of what needs to be discussed

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It is specifically being denied By secularism secularism cannot ground

01:06:27

What needs to exist to keep these systems? From breaking down and then what happens when they do break down you end up with the state becoming

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God and you have totalitarian totalitarianism You've got China You've got cops in every grocery store and you've got cameras on every person and you are being judged

01:06:48

You have a social credit score by what you buy That's what's happening in China That's where they want this to go, but you got to break down What was there before freedom liberty, which was based upon Christian responsibility

01:07:03

That was defined by the Christian faith That's what had given us the common law the English common law Okay, if we have one headstrong little leaguer

01:07:13

Who decides the illustration before was he decides to run instead of why do we run the bases counterclockwise?

01:07:21

Why not run them clockwise, I mean somebody just came up with that idea

01:07:26

But you know in in the World series you you've got to run the base

01:07:33

You got to go to first first in that second method that works if we have one headstrong little leaguer who decides to go the other way

01:07:40

We could send him home the rest of people who want to play baseball can keep playing baseball But what if the majority of kids and most of the umps decide to ignore the rules?

01:07:50

What do we do then and what if to make obvious transition the collapse of consensus occurs not in a baseball game?

01:07:56

But with regard to the rules of government and civil society We are right to be dismayed at the collapse of that public moral consensus a collapse brought about by the spiritual hollowing out of our nation's people

01:08:09

By their turning from the triune God of Christianity. What is to be done about this collapse now? I would

01:08:15

I would want to expand on that yes, it is a spiritual hollowing out of our nation's people

01:08:24

But how did it happen and why? That's where once again the culture of death secularism

01:08:32

Needs to be identified clearly Because it is not something that can in any way be considered morally neutral that It is anti -christian.

01:08:42

It is anti -human and That's what's causing these this collapse of consensus

01:08:48

What is to be done about this collapse in my judgment? This is where my disagreeing with Doug Wilson and others who share his position is located

01:08:56

I'm entire I am I affirm. Sorry I affirm entirely that at its foundations a stable and functional government presupposes the truth of Christian theism

01:09:07

I do not disagree with Wilson that the final answer to by what standard is the law of God But I do not believe that the force of government is the means

01:09:18

By which this standard is to be established now, there's a note here Um, okay, it's a note to another g3 thing

01:09:28

Now this is where we can actually make progress. I Do not believe that the force of government is the means

01:09:37

By which this standard is to be established. What are we talking about here?

01:09:46

Because this is what Again We've done two dialogues one on the wolf book one on his mere

01:09:56

Christendom book and What was my concern in all of this? It was means that's what the sacralism argument is about From my perspective the only way

01:10:12

That we can see massive change is If there is a massive change in hearts, so it's not the government doing this now this this is probably where Doug and I would have different emphases and hence maybe have differences

01:10:30

At the same time When it says I do not believe that the force of government is the means by which the standard is to be established

01:10:43

Let me read the rest of it Our disagreement is not over the standard by which a government is judged good It is over the means by which we are to work to work to see that standard embraced by or enforced upon our

01:10:54

Fellow citizens and that is really the issue That really is the issue because from my perspective

01:11:03

I'm I'm doing this theologically this comes about naturally as the result of the fulfillment of scriptural promises that the

01:11:11

Coastlands will seek after God's law So you have massive change massive conversions and the natural result is we want to please

01:11:23

God, how do we do so and Hence, that's not being forced from the outside upon anybody.

01:11:29

Well, okay but technically If you have a situation where 70 % of the people in a population want to Please God They're going to legislate laws

01:11:43

That will That will execute rapists. All right, are there going to be non -christians who think rape is?

01:11:55

okay, and They're going to be Thrown and thrown in prison and executed for raping well, yeah,

01:12:04

I suppose so but that's That's what all law does all law says murder

01:12:14

Rape kidnapping These are fundamental violations That are to carry capital punishment.

01:12:23

We don't do that anymore here, which is why you have it happening right left the center, but that was the goodness of God's law and If we want

01:12:34

God's blessing, then you have to but here's the problem That is the very argumentation that was then used to drown

01:12:43

Baptists and you go I see a

01:12:49

Chasm there. Yeah, the problem is that power can build bridges to cross chasms like that and That's what you had happening when you have that that's why

01:13:04

That's why under Sacralism Christendom 1 .0 since you didn't have regeneration taking place

01:13:11

You get this tradition built built up and even after the Reformation You've got

01:13:18

Luther knowing Fritz Erb is down in the pit. You've got Zwingli Preaching free grace and watching

01:13:25

Anabaptist drowned off the bridge outside his window Now that was a transitionary period

01:13:31

I get it. I understand that they didn't They were coming out of a sacral system They didn't really want to end a sacral system.

01:13:39

They just wanted to end who had the ultimate authority in the sacral system Uh and the

01:13:45

Reformation Laid the foundation for the destruction of that sacral system. No question about all those things, but it took time

01:13:54

But that's why I'm saying unless regeneration is brought about in a wide

01:14:06

Majority of the people the only thing this can lead to is the use of religion as Another corrupt force of government

01:14:16

Which is what you had under Rome That's why anybody who's talking about, you know, we'll take over, you know a couple years from now just isn't getting it because There's only one thing that can lead to There's only one thing that can lead to and simply saying but wouldn't you rather have?

01:14:37

Good laws than bad laws Isn't answering the question Because you can have bad men

01:14:47

Twisting good laws all of it has to do with when when

01:14:53

When you have the the the prophetic promise They they will seek after seeking after your law

01:15:02

What is that right upon their hearts that law that has that's regeneration That's regeneration it has to it has to be the only foundation that can be there

01:15:16

So this is where the conversation has to take place and It needs to be taking place more widely and I'm so appreciate what

01:15:27

I appreciate about this article so much and I don't know this brother at least I don't think I know this brother, I'm sorry brother if we've met and I'm just I I Tend to know people by context

01:15:40

So I've people I've had people walk up to me That I actually know fairly well, but in a complete context where I never would ever expect to see them and I'm left going

01:15:49

Yeah, you look familiar and then it's like oh my goodness. Yeah, so maybe we've met in some context.

01:15:56

I Just by name it's not clicking from what I'm reading here, but I really appreciate the article

01:16:02

I hope everybody will go see it and hopefully you can remind me to link to it When when

01:16:08

I get done here but This is the stuff that needs to be discussed being just got our disagreement is not over the standard by which a government is judged good even though that is a disagreement with a lot of folks and At least and one thing that I'm thankful for is that we have moved positively to where more and more people are recognizing this

01:16:31

I grew up in the in the myth of neutrality time where That that just wasn't even part of our thinking

01:16:39

It is over the means by which we were to work to see that standard embraced by or enforced upon our fellow citizens

01:16:45

Which from my perspective has to be a massive work of the Spirit of God. That's okay I think it's important as I conclude to make clear the specific thesis.

01:16:56

I'm defending. I'm merely making the case That one can simultaneously believe that one all moral claims including the obligation to conform to arbitrary laws

01:17:06

Ultimately are groundless unless Christianity is true while also believing that to if the consensus about these conventions disintegrates

01:17:15

It is not the role of the state to enforce the underlying explicitly

01:17:20

Christian foundations for these laws Now that's where I'd like to hear a response because what what

01:17:30

I would say is The state has to be called to do what

01:17:38

God says it is to do which is to preserve life So we right now have a state that is in love with the culture of death and enforcing the culture of death

01:17:47

It is enforcing death rather than life. Therefore. It's in rebellion against God and will be judged by God.

01:17:52

That is what we have to Loudly proclaim to everyone that if they want life, this is not the direction to go.

01:18:01

This is destructive And I I just don't know that Doug Wilson would disagree with that He certainly didn't in the conversations that we had so The role of the state is he and My Understanding Romans chapter 13 is that there is a clear expression from God's Word as to what the role of the state is to be and that's what we are to proclaim to them and God has called his people to live under governments that were very friendly toward them and were actually supportive of the proclamation of the gospel all the way to the other end of that spectrum and The real challenge is for every eschatological perspective no matter how you view it.

01:19:03

How do you live faithfully? Depending on where God has called you to be in light of what?

01:19:09

The state is where you are or what the state's becoming where we are right now

01:19:16

If you're convinced finish off here if you're convinced that Christian nationalism is Justified on other grounds this argument won't be persuasive and that's fine

01:19:26

Here I'm not arguing that Vantillian apologetics precludes Christian nationalism

01:19:33

Instead, I'm merely arguing that Vantillianism doesn't demand it either And I and I appreciate that argument

01:19:45

And I've never argued that Vantill requires

01:19:50

Christian nationalism Vantill came out of a period where at least in Some parts of Europe there had been sort of an attempt at a form of Christian nationalism, you know, all those

01:20:10

Nations still to this day have state churches and what has been the result of every single state church in Europe ask believing solid

01:20:22

Christians in any nation in Europe What do you think of the state church and they're all gonna be like that's where the apostates go

01:20:33

That that's that's the that's the biggest struggle we have is to try to evangelize people because they think that because they're a part of the state church, they're actually

01:20:43

Christians and they have no concept of Bowing to the Lordship of Christ or or repentance of faith and any anything like that at all

01:20:53

Because all those state churches have become apostate Well, why is that? What is that a failure of is that a failure of?

01:21:01

Christian nationalism is a failure of Christendom 1 .0 is the difference between Christian Christendom 1 .0

01:21:08

and Christendom 2 .0 a belief that there will be a time when

01:21:14

The nation's will seek after God's law and there's where the where the Sun says, you know

01:21:20

The father says the Sun in the Psalter ask and I'll give you the nation's as your inheritance and when the

01:21:27

Sun asks does the father do so and does that then result in all of this or can we bring this in through some other means there's where there's where all the issues are and hopefully you can see there's a lot to be thinking about there and there's a lot of foundational stuff and Reformed people are going to respond differently than non reformed people, but there are divisions amongst reformed people at this point as well big divisions

01:21:52

And not just the Thomistic stuff But that is a part of it there is no question that is a part of it because while Thomas may have been

01:22:03

Friendly toward Augusta His anthropology and sacrament ology fundamentally twists the best of Augustinian grace

01:22:17

Inevitably inevitably and Augustin wasn't consistent because of the Dauntess controversy and we've talked about that over and over again but I really appreciate this because it a

01:22:29

Lot of folks have just decided I'm not even gonna listen to any of this anymore because it's the same stuff the same surface level stuff just being kicked around and Turned into memes and silliness and I get it.

01:22:44

This was an article that actually tried to go I'm a Vantillian presuppositionalist

01:22:50

I'm not a Christian nationalist whatever in the world that's supposed to mean anymore And here's why and here's where my disagreements would be and it was wise enough to not try to do more than just one thing because I appreciate notice at the end if You're convinced that Christian nationalism is justified on other grounds this argument won't be persuasive and that's fine

01:23:13

So in other words, I'm willing to write an article and have a narrow focus. There's one thing I'm trying to accomplish here Here, I'm not arguing that Vantillian apologetics precludes

01:23:23

Christian nationalism instead. I'm merely arguing that it doesn't demand it either. So you've you've got

01:23:30

The wisdom here is I'm only trying to establish one point and not answer every question that could ever be asked and that seems to be in my experience

01:23:44

What What frustrates me so much? I'm looking at Twitter here. I'm pointing toward Twitter.

01:23:50

You don't know that but I'm pointing toward Twitter What frustrates me? about trying in social media is

01:24:00

You'll put out your best effort I'll do a long tweet I'll edit it Clear there it is

01:24:08

So few people have been taught to Read without a bias

01:24:17

Fellow Christians grant some kind of grace and Follow an argument only through to the point that the person is arguing it not

01:24:26

This point over here and that point over there and that point over there and that point over there and by the time you get Hit with 47 different utterly irrelevant questions that have nothing to do with what you just said.

01:24:35

You just give up and Say forget it You know, I mean that's that's the frustration and a lot of that is due to the non -education system in the

01:24:47

United States today and The irony is some of the best homeschooling information some of the best homeschooling publications to help you to train your kids to think logically

01:24:57

Jason Lyle has an excellent Excellent materials on that by the way a lot teaching your kids logic and stuff like that whole curriculum

01:25:04

You can get from Jason Lyle biblical science institute comm but can't impress Can't impress has a whole bunch of stuff on logic and stuff like that ironically enough in that sense

01:25:15

And that's great but man, it just seems like People coming to the church and they just their think they're the thinking processes have been so crippled

01:25:29

By the educational system that it's hard for them to think the way scripture would have them to think

01:25:36

And as a result you just get this Massive explosion of different perspectives.

01:25:41

It's so it's hard. But anyways, I had that queued up. Oh, do you have your microphone up?

01:25:46

I can't you've you've it's without the light on man. I just I can't really see you over there

01:25:52

I found that article very well taken especially the first part because it's that side of it that Administrative side that doesn't get talked about everybody wants to talk about righteous laws

01:26:02

We need to have all these righteous laws If we look at the Old Testament, where did the failure happen?

01:26:10

We had righteous law We had perfectly righteous law. You got a lot of people though.

01:26:15

It was stone It was in the administration of the righteous law that we find the unrighteous judges that we find the unrighteous magistrate and We fast forward to now and the the big thing that nobody seems to be really

01:26:31

I mean you're getting into it all the time, but When you have leaders like we have that have good laws and decide

01:26:41

We're just not gonna do that. Oh, yeah okay, we have the situation with the struggle over the laws in the state of Arizona and the overturning of Roe v.

01:26:50

Wade and The leaders in government suddenly. Well, we're just not gonna do that Well, we're gonna go ahead and fight it.

01:26:57

We're gonna appeal this stuff to the Supreme Court. It was Before it was overturned it was clear as day as to what it was meant and they knew it and they fought the overturning of Roe v.

01:27:07

Wade and they lost for once and for now for now but again when we have

01:27:15

Administrative laws where we we have kovat We had administrators who simply made up law out of thin air that did not exist

01:27:23

We just you just interviewed a guy who was a victim of that And we'll just we'll just make it up and we'll we'll ruin your life over it and You sit back and go.

01:27:34

Well, where's the he nails the problem? They don't the problem is at the heart of man Evil and All my evil desires override all those righteous desires

01:27:47

Because I don't really care that the law doesn't anchor me anywhere and the moral fabric of it is

01:27:55

Is completely missing in the being of the of the the administrator that's just what hit me

01:28:02

All right. Well, we went pretty much Same as yesterday.

01:28:08

We've done two jumbos in a row but I wanted to make sure to run over that article and Thank the author and thank g3 for posting it.

01:28:18

It's very useful. It's very helpful. By the way, I did see somewhere where he Made a correction

01:28:26

Stephen Wolfe had made an objection. It's something about In their hearts or something like that,

01:28:34

I think it was a Not a well way of saying that the state could somehow change hearts or something

01:28:40

I don't remember what the exact context was But he said he changed it and put a footnote in and I don't know if the version

01:28:46

I grabbed was before after that It's probably before But it didn't come up. I don't think it's really relevant to the discussion that we're having

01:28:53

So I will link to that and I appreciate that. Thanks very much To Asa Miller for being with us.

01:29:00

I've got a picture of him out in the field on The on Twitter.

01:29:06

He seemed significantly less Scary looking during the interview then then what he looks like there with that That is a he's got that's a very big gun

01:29:21

That's just Wow Okay. Anyway Appreciate him being on looking forward to getting a chance to meet him in person at some point in the future and We will look at doing

01:29:34

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01:30:17

Charles. We talking about Sola Scriptura, and there's new stuff to be talking about on that and then afterwards

01:30:27

We're gonna be going to Kansas City, and I don't it's been a long I don't even remember being in Kansas City.

01:30:33

It's been such a long long time But we're trying to work with two different churches there in Kansas City the weekend after I'm in st.

01:30:39

Charles, so We'll be having that on that trip and then Come in February, we've got this on the front at ailment org

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