Open Air Theology -talking theology

I got a study, pulpit ministry comes first. And so we had this past Sunday and normally every one of us are open and available to podcast on Sunday nights.

So the good news, well, so it's good and bad news. If you like us, good news, every

Sunday night, here we are, bad news. If you don't like us, every Sunday night, here we are.

So it's kind of like a catch 22, right? We're here every Sunday night.

We're here every Sunday night, like it or not. You know what I'm saying? But so the way that we wanna begin first is just kind of giving a recap of our

Lord's day. We think that's a pretty good thing. And Brayden, how was your

Lord's day? You know what, I'm telling you what, when you are a born again believer and you come to fellowship with the saints every single

Lord's day, it's a real bummer when you miss being able to do that with your church. This today,

I had some required training through my employer, rope rescue training that prevented me from being able to be participating in church today.

So we had a good brother in Christ come fill the pulpit for myself today. My co -elder, congratulations to him and his wife.

They just had their fifth child this week. And so he wasn't able to preach for me. So we had, like I said, that guest preacher, he preached on Jonah three.

But I was, is it breaking in and out? You're breaking in and out just a little bit.

Yeah. That's okay. Okay. It's okay. I'll take over.

But yeah. So my Lord's day was really good. My pastor was preaching in Romans 13.

It was actually on paying taxes and that how we're called to pay our taxes. So we actually hit on a tide too in the

Old Testament and he talked about being 23%. But the highlight of the day is always the preaching of the word and sitting under the preaching of the word and the means of grace and where God speaks to us through a man.

And it's always a blessing to hear a pastor faithfully preach and my pastor does.

Lost Brayden for a second. But also the highlight of the day is we had a ministry fair at Grace Bible Church of Bernie and we have all kinds of ministries, anywhere from security team to a heritage

Bible study and evangelism. And our church of 138 people, we had 20 people sign up for the evangelism ministry.

And so that's a huge blessing. So I'm excited for that. Very cool.

Well, I'm grateful for my co -elder. We were able to sing

Oh Holy Night today. And a couple of weeks ago, we sung joy to the world.

And so I don't know how y 'all get down, but it's Christmas every Lord's day at Covenant Reformed Baptist Church.

Like it just seems like we put those beautiful, rich incarnation hymns in a like a 21 day box.

We'll break this out near Christmas and we won't sing about it the rest of the time. When you can't speak about it.

Yeah. Yeah. But whenever, it's like we're not supposed to speak about the incarnation all year long, right?

Like tell me the gospel without talking about the incarnation. Sorry, you can't.

And so I'm grateful that we were able to, that we sing Christmas songs every year.

I mean, all year long. And so today we sung Oh Holy Night. And my message this week was on biblical giving.

So we had a couple in our congregation and they reached out to me and wanted me to do a message on biblical giving, on tithing and stuff like that.

And since I just had gotten done with John chapter 11, and I was like, well, before we get into John chapter 12,

I might as well just take that chance and go ahead and do a talk on it.

And I tell you what, like I was nervous all week on this message. Here comes

Brayden. I was nervous all week on this message. And also I was nervous today, like right before I got started preaching, like I was nervous.

I usually don't get this nervous, but I just didn't want people to take it in the wrong spirit.

And so, because there's so much bad theology when it comes to giving.

And so I wanted to do something that was honorable to God's word. And so I would encourage anyone to go, like if you want to hear a sermon on biblical giving, it's not on YouTube yet.

It's not on our church's YouTube channel, but it is on our church's Facebook page. Like it was really well received, man.

And so, I started out the sermon just talking about how people don't like to hear about this because of the prosperity movement, but we're not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And so whenever I was praying, the Lord convicted me. You know, if someone's attacking the doctrine of the

Trinity, we're quick to speak up. If someone's attacking the doctrine of justification by faith alone, we're quick to speak up.

But we have this movement who is attacking biblical giving. And instead of stepping up, we don't say anything about giving in our churches for the most part, because we're afraid we're going to run people off.

They're thinking that we're a part of this heretical movement. And as I was praying, I repented.

And I was so glad the Lord had put it on my plate to preach this. And I think it's going to be a sermon that we, you know, for someone coming into membership, we're going to require them to listen to the sermon.

Like it's really good. Yeah, because we all are called to give.

So we're all called to give generously with a glad heart, you know? Yeah, I mean, if giving to God is a commandment, then not giving, or how do

I say it? If giving to God is out of obedience, then not giving to God is out of disobedience.

Right, so it's not an option. It's not an option. Like if you're a Christian, you're called to give to your local church.

Now you might be in a position, and I mentioned this in my message, you might be in a position to where you're a part of that needy group that one of the tithes go to.

And I was for a while, right? And that's when the church is to give to you.

But here's the thing, if the other people are a part of that congregation and are not faithfully given, they're not going to have anything to give when someone in the congregation is in need.

Right, and they lose out on the blessing, by the way. Absolutely. Yeah, because it truly is a blessing to give, to give back.

It's a privilege to be able to give back to God's kingdom. You're being a blessing to others.

And you're doing, it's a Christian duty that every single one of us are called to do. Amen. And I know,

I'll tell you, because I was convicted. There was a point in time when I didn't put God first, even, and He disciplined me pretty hard.

And there was a point in time where I repented and changed. And I can tell you this from experience that,

I know it's going to sound like a prosperity gospel, but it's a fact. The more you give, the more

God will give you back. Not for the purpose of collecting and building up your own empire, or your own financial status, or being able to buy a new car, but to continue to bless others, to continue to support your local church, and to continue to further the kingdom.

Yeah, I mean, the main thing that was laid out in that giving, like concern for those that were in need, like the

Levite, the minister, was always mentioned. And it was about providing food, right?

You have to make sure those in your camp have food to eat.

I mean, how horrible would it be for a man to work endless hours to bring to you

God's word, and he starved to death? Like it's just, you know, but I would encourage people to go and listen to that.

So let's get started. So what are we talking about today? Latentism. Latentism, that's right.

Oh, it was known as provisionism, but.

Raiden fixed that, I think. I think I did. So let's pull up the first one, and let's really look at provisionism real quick.

Are y 'all ready to go through this? Sure. I think so. I will answer a question. They asked how many parts is this gonna be for us to discuss this?

And it could potentially be a large part series discussing this, depending on what happens.

So I didn't want to interject that. Yeah, because we're planning on looking at this, and then we're going to fix it to what it needs to be in another show.

And then we want to probably compare and contrast this belief with Pelagianism and Semi -Pelagianism, and kind of just break it all down.

And then we'll probably go back to the debate that I had, and show some different aspects of it, so you can see how this is like Siamese twins, right?

So project this real fast, and let's show them this, and then I'll change it real quick here for us too.

So - And can you tell them what we're going to be looking at? So we're looking at, so yeah, so this, what

Jeff's going to pull up here on the screen for us - When do you want me to pull it up? Go ahead and do it now. So this right here,

Provisionism, this comes right off of Soteriology 101, the website that is continually,

I would say that probably 90 % of the content on there and on Layton Flowers' YouTube channel has to deal with Calvinism, if not more than 90%, which is always, in my opinion, is alarming.

And if you only find yourself attacking one group of Christianity, one thing, that I think throws up some alarms.

But regardless of those things, this comes right off of Soteriology 101. As you can see,

Provisionism, and then it gives us an acronym, which is listed out in Provide.

However, if you are familiar with, if you are familiar with Provisionism, then, let me go ahead and click this real fast.

We've got a new decal for you to see. And we'll exit off this one.

I'm going to stop screen sharing. I'm going to screen share this one now with you. So again, that was called

Provisionism. Let's see what it should actually really be called.

Laytonism. Laytonism. Laytonism.

All right. That's what it is, right? Like this is coined from him. Yeah. So Layton is trying to start his own following, let's say.

Right. Because like, listen, whenever I debated Jason Breda, and the reason why in the future we're really going to dive into Jason Breda is because Jason Breda, he only agrees with a portion of this

Laytonism. But whenever I debated him, it was as if I debated Layton. Jason Breda is an

Anabaptist. And we're going to go, in future videos, we're going to go into what

Anabaptist is and what they believe. And we're going to show that even in my debate, he's inconsistent with his own belief as he is portraying

Laytonism in our debates. And I've reached out to him. He knows everything that's going to happen.

So it is what it is. So again, this comes right off their website.

We're not making this up. We did change this title here because Laytonism is a lot more fitting than Provisionism for what we're going to be discussing here.

But you can see up here at the top, they say this is a acronym that's representative of the Bible and it's for God's love and provision for all people.

So Tereology 101 is where you can find this at. So for tonight, what we are planning on doing is just looking through each one of these different points, seeing if we agree with them, if scripture agrees with them.

And then towards the end of this part, we might put this on there, but we'll definitely talk about it in the future.

We're going to also try to see if we can correct and make this a little more biblical. So - Yeah, for sure. So would you like me to read this?

Yeah, so the first point is P and it's for people's sin. Many of y 'all want to read that?

Yeah. It says, people's sin, which separates all from fellowship with God, therefore a divine provision became necessary.

Okay, and it's first verses are Genesis 3, 15 through 24.

Yep. Which is the fall and the promise that comes after the fall, right?

Right. Regarding both the serpent, the woman and the man. Do we want to read all of this or do we just want to make reference to these things?

Well, I think what - And make some specific ones. Yeah, so I think what seems familiar, we don't have to read.

I'm pretty sure most people here understand Genesis 3, whenever Satan tempts

Eve, Adam falls for the lie of his wife. And when

Adam took a bite of that fruit, they plunged humanity into sin.

And that's what Romans 5, 12 talks about. So in Romans 5, 12, and so this is what

I don't understand with this, because if you clearly look at Romans 5, 12, it says, therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.

But what's the reason why all men have sinned? And it's because of the one sin of Adam.

That's right. And that's not what they're trying to get at at this point of people's sin.

They act as if people sin because, you know, because they've chosen to sin or whatever.

But sin, see, here's the thing. So like I have kids and I've never once, all my kids

I have raised as a Christian. I've never once tried to teach my kid how to sin.

I've never once tried to teach him how to lie, how to steal, so on and so forth.

That came natural, el natural, right? And it's that way because Adam's sin.

You see, Adam is our first federal head and as goes the king, so goes his kingdom, which is one of the main purposes of Christ's coming is to remove the bite, right?

So as Adam bites into this fruit, Christ comes to remove that bite.

And right now it's already not yet staged. It will be fully removed on the last day when he puts all of his enemies under his feet, his last enemy being death.

And that's what Romans 12 says that sin brought in. The wages of sin is death.

And so when he's talking about sin separating us from God, it was

Adam's sin that separated us from God. We're born into sin, proving that the

Bible is true, that we are dead in our trespasses. So I would also say on that too.

So I think that's where at first, these things can sound really good. And we have to realize that they're playing those that are latinists are playing a word game that is off of what

Calvinism and the doctrines of grace with Tulip is implying. And so when it says people sin, do people sin?

Amen, yes, they do. Romans 310, no one is good, no, not one, right? However, the latinists compared to the

Calvinist is not going to say that someone is born totally depraved.

They would say that they have a more neutral nature of some kind, that not all their doings are sinful or come from a sinful nature.

Essentially, and we're gonna see this really in position are here in a moment, because they're wanting to say that because there's this, you're the one that separate yourself from fellowship

God, not what Adam did, right? They're lessening your nature of what you're born into.

I hope that makes sense. Right, so then also the second part of the sentence there says therefore a divine provision became necessary.

So, which totally flies in the face of a covenant of redemption that was planned before the foundation of the world.

Yes, because of our sin, it's plan B. Right, this is exactly, they're actually making almost there was a plan

A, okay, now God is going to react because you failed. That's not the way the covenant of redemption happened.

There was a plan. It denies God's sovereignty. Absolutely. Just to say that is to say that Christ was not begotten, meaning speaking of his resurrection in Acts chapter two before the foundation of the world.

Right. And he was not crucified according to what Peter states in first Peter. That's right.

So a lot of people will say that the cross happened because of sin. These people have said that the cross happened because of sin.

We would say, no, sin happened because of the cross. God intends everything.

God has a perfect plan with everything. And this was predetermined. All of this was predetermined.

And I would also say that - Go ahead. No, I was just gonna point out that he points out

Isaiah 59 verse two, where it says, but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your

God. And your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.

Well, so take a step back. He is speaking, Isaiah is speaking to God's covenant people, the

Jews who have been disobedient and not doing what they were supposed to do and hiding themselves from God in their iniquities.

So this now, of course, can we make application from this? Yeah, okay.

But this is a direct rebuke given to Isaiah from God for Israel.

Like the nations have been separated. They're calling the nations back together.

But he doesn't really look into all that. He's just trying to cherry pick verses to try and make it fit with what he's saying.

And you can come up with any false theology and do crap like that. Right, so, and I don't know if I'm putting the car before the horse.

If I am, you guys stop me. I wanna go to Ephesians one here. Again, attacking the whole reaction of God.

Because in Ephesians chapter one, verse four says, just as he chose us in him before the foundations of the world.

Now, in that model that they use right there, we sin and then a provision became necessary.

But according to Ephesians chapter one, verse four, just as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before him in love by predestining us to adoption of the sons through Jesus Christ himself according to the good pleasure of his will.

So this was done before the foundations of the world. Yeah, so I would just say, so latinism, and I think that what

I'm picking up from all you guys is it lacks a view of the covenant of redemption.

So it therefore is probably going to be more dispensational, right? Well, just the first part of it, it sounds more like open theism because it says which people sin which separate all from fellowship with God, therefore a divine provision became necessary.

So like God didn't know what was gonna happen Right. Until Adam failed.

Yep. Right. And therefore he had to do something. But then they would also say, well, he looked into the future as if God learned something because he's sovereign and their idea of God's sovereignty,

God just looked into the future and saw what would happen. And so, yeah.

So I would say it'd probably be important for us. I'm gonna define what divine provision is according to the lateness.

And I've heard this analogy used. I'm gonna probably butcher it a little bit, but bear with me.

They would say that the provision or the predestination that we see in Ephesians, all these kinds of things that the

Calvinist looks and says, oh, you see, that's God is predestined. We would think that that God is the first cause and you have this plan from all of eternity, right?

That's what we think. But the lateness says, provision or predestination is like an airplane.

God made an airplane for people and he asks you to get on the airplane.

He doesn't know who's going to be sitting on the seats, but it's an airplane, right?

He's predestined a salvation, a provision to save people, right?

The airplane or the blood of Christ. Now it's up to you to get on the airplane. So, which is a very weak view of salvation and a weak view of Christ, but we'll -

Yeah, and a weak view of God's sovereignty. I mean, so God doesn't intend to save any particular people.

You know, who does he plan? What does his plan for? They just make salvation possible for people.

And then leaving it completely up to man to - I want you to imagine entering an airplane.

Let's keep it right there. And on board is Leighton Flowers. And Leighton is in the seat doing this.

He's flapping his arms. Yeah. Like no one else is doing anything and Leighton's over there flapping his arms.

I'm like, what are you doing, Leighton? I'm helping the plane fly. That's pretty funny,

I'm helping the plane fly. Which I think actually is a perfect segue. That's a perfect segue into point number two.

Is it okay if I read what point number two is on this? Yeah. I think that's a perfect segue. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go ahead. I just wanted to point out real quick, you know, like the two other verses, he's Romans 6, 23, which explains, you know, how the wages of sin is death, but the free get the

God is eternal. He's just cherry picking and he goes to Hebrews 9, 22, which speaking about without the remission, without the shed in the blood, there is no remission of sins.

And so he's just cherry picking things to fit in what he's trying to say, but please go ahead. Yeah, so I would just pause there and also just add onto that, right?

None of those verses proves that we were separated when we first sinned, but no, according to Romans, it's when

Adam first sinned. When Adam sinned. All of humanity, all of whom he represented. Adam brought sin and death into the world, but he did not.

So let's explain what federal head is so people understand that. So we have a president right now.

He is our federal head. President, well, no, he's not. Yeah, President Biden is our federal head right now.

For the time being. Being puppet mastered by Obama. That's right. You take my ten -fold hat off, sorry. So, but he's our federal head.

And so he makes decisions for the nation. So if we go to war, we all go to war.

If we lose that war, Biden loses that war, we all lose that war. Well, that's the same way with a federal head.

Adam was our covenant head. He was our federal head. And when he sinned, we all inherited

Adam's sin guilt from that time forward. So anybody born of natural generation from the time of Adam has inherited

Adam's sin guilt. We are guilty before God. That is our position. That is our standing before God because of Adam's sin.

That's right. He's our representative. And what's the beauty of federal headship? Because people usually are like, well,

I'd have nothing to do with Adam, right? I didn't choose to eat of the fruit. Well, praise the Lord for federal headship because I had nothing to do with my salvation that was earned in Christ.

Christ is now my federal head, right? Praise the Lord for federal headship. Very nice, good stuff. Yeah, as goes the king, so goes the kingdom, right?

Whenever David messed up, David's kingdom was punished for his mess ups.

Like we have to keep that in mind. All right, so let's move forward. So you see

Layton Flower flapping his wings on an airplane, right? That's what we got now in the back of our minds is the picture.

So R for provide, so Laytonism. Again, we are changing provisionism to Laytonism because I think that's the correct term for it.

Yeah, that's the correct. R stands for responsible. Now I would pause there and just say, do we think that the sinner is going to be held accountable and responsible for their sin?

Absolutely, that's an amen. But that's not what the responsible part of this is talking about.

Let's read what it says. Responsible, that is everyone is able to respond to God's appeal for reconciliation because the divine provision will be heard and understood.

I don't hear any amens for that. No. No, you won't get any either because here's the thing.

If you go back and you, like this is really what caught my attention when it came to Laytonism is the debate that Layton Flowers had with Dr.

White. At the very end, there was a question asked by an audience member about salvation.

Is salvation someone's being born again? Is that a miracle of God?

Layton says, no. So here's the thing. Laytonism teaches that through the cross of Jesus Christ, God has provided.

Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. And because that has happened, everyone has the ability to respond to that message.

And that's in and of yourself. And when we say respond, we mean respond positively is what the provision is.

Yeah, because everyone responds. Guess what? Yeah, so as a Calvinist, we believe that everybody will respond, but they're gonna respond that which is according to their nature.

So a dead man is always going to respond as a dead man. One that is born dead in their sins and trespasses is going to respond as an enemy of God because they need a change of heart.

That's right. A stony heart will never beat for the glory of God unless God changes it.

So yes, every person will respond. It's just gonna be inconsistent with their nature, but that's not what they're trying to get at with this.

They're saying that everybody, so again, the changing of TULIP from the doctrines of grace, that says that man in a federal headship in Adam died in Adam, all man and all their deeds are consistent with their nature, which is enemies of God, unable to accept the things of his word unless the

Lord regenerates him. This is saying a man is more born neutrally.

Their sin is what separates them, not what Adam did. Their sin is what separates them. However, they retain an ability to turn on their own accord to God, and they retain the ability to, listen to what this, to God's appeal for reconciliation.

So they're able to, and I will quote Jeff on this, stay the hand of God.

God could intend for people he provided a way, and they're rejecting and they're overcoming that provision.

Just think again, rationally about this. What kind of character does this make God out to be?

Right. And I wanna go to Acts 13. Yep. So let me go there.

Acts 13, 48. Now we're talking about staying God's hand. And it says in 48, it says when the

Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying in the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Now in their model, the appointing doesn't matter. God apparently didn't appoint anybody and that he's leaving it entirely up to me.

And so if it's entirely up to me, then God didn't appoint anybody for an eternal life.

But according to this, and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed the gospel.

I inserted the gospel there. But they believed, they believed because they were appointed to believe.

We cannot do anything unless God does it. John 6, 44. Nobody comes to God unless God draws him.

And so it just, it's just shoes set in the foot. So one of the scriptures, go ahead, sorry.

Well, so one of the scriptural proofs that he gives is Luke 8, 12.

And it's talking about the sower and the seed. And so this is the purpose of it.

It says the one along the path. So if you know the story, the sower, he sows seed and some seed falls on the path of rocks, the rocky path, some falls on thorns, some falls on, you know, so on and so forth.

And so right here, it says the one that fell on the path are those who heard, then the devil comes and takes the word from their heart so that they may not believe and be saved.

And so what he's trying to get out, cause listen, I've listened to a lot of light and flowers. Okay. And what he's trying to get at is that they were able to respond, but Satan took that response from them.

And if you remember in the debate, I pointed out to Jason Brita, that's because Satan is

God's devil. Satan can only do what God has predetermined for Satan to do, blind eyes, so on and so forth, right?

So Satan is one of the means that God uses to accomplish his purpose in the destruction of the reprobate.

And I'm not gonna sit here and try to take up for what God has done, cause that's not my job.

They are the ones that put him on the judgment seat. Yep.

So Matthew, so another scriptural proof and here's Matthew 23, 37, which yeah, let's read it.

Oh, Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it. How often I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings and you were not willing.

See, your house has left you desolate, for I tell you, you will not see me again until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the

Lord. So Jesus is giving the woes to the nation of Israel right there.

And you gotta think about in the Old Testament, Jesus is giving a, because woe to you who has killed the prophets, right?

So he's talking about several years, right? He's recapping several years of Israel's history.

Hundreds of years, hundreds of years, because it was whenever the tribes were separated, right?

The two and the 10 and the prophets were coming, trying to call them to repentance.

And we know that God is the one that separated them because of the evil king, I mean, because of the sin of Solomon, right?

But he did not do it under Solomon's rule. He did it under the rule of Jeroboam. And so he sends the prophets to them to bring this back.

So God separates them because of sin and he sends the prophets to draw them back and yet they kill and stone the prophets.

That's right. So notice in here too, so Jerusalem, this ethnic people of God, even when

God does gather them back to the land, what are they still not able to do?

That was consistent with their nature. They were not willing.

So in the old covenants, one of the big cons of old covenant theology or old covenant of works is that you had several people inside of it that were born in it and under it, but did not actually believe

God. And so Jesus is talking to those that are, guess what they're doing?

Rejecting God in flesh. And he's saying, this has been offered to not only you, but to your fathers and their fathers and their fathers and their fathers and their fathers.

And no matter how many fathers I go back, this is the consistent nature ever since your first father,

Adam. They have hated me. So Romans 9, verse 31, it says, but Israel pursuing a law of righteousness did not attain that law.

Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works, they stumbled over the stumbling stone.

Just as it is written, behold, I am laying in Zion, a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense to the one who believes and upon him will not be put to shame.

So why did they not come? Because they were not willing to come. They were willing, they were only trusting in their righteousness.

They were trusting in their own self -righteousness as if they were given the law as, and I think it was you,

Brayden, that actually said something about a rope that they hung themselves. The law wasn't given us as a rope that we could climb up and be justified with law because the

Bible says, according to the scripture, that by the works of the law, no man will be justified.

But that's what they were trusting in, in their own righteousness, in their own law keeping. I mean, just in Galatians.

The law of God serves as a rope for the unconverted. Those who attempt to climb it will always end up hanging dead by it.

That's right. Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, Galatians chapter two, verse 21,

Paul says, I do not nullify the grace of God. For if righteousness were through the law, then

Christ died for no purpose. And like, we do have this same struggle in the reform camp because like I hold to a law of gospel distinction, but there's a lot of people that would hold to a law of gospel distinction as well and would say that God had made the law as a provision by which you could be saved.

No, sir. No, sir. Get your theology right. If anyone wants to debate that issue, let's roll with it.

Hallelujah. This verse tells us that if righteousness were through the law, if you could attain a right standing with God through the law, guess what?

Then Christ died for no purpose. That's right. Let's go on to Romans 10, even.

Brothers, my heart's desire and my prayers for that God for them is for their salvation.

For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.

For not knowing about the righteousness of God, seeking to establish their own.

They did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

We can only come to Christ through faith. We can only be reconciled to God through faith.

And then faith is a gift of God. So I would piggyback on what you just said there,

Tom, and say, this is the serious danger for lateness or provisionists, right?

Lateness is good. Lateness. So if you believe in Jesus Christ, I believe that you can be saved and be a provisionist.

And I would hope that they would say that regarding Calvinists as well. I really, really do. I mean that, I stand by that.

However, this is the, yes, I did. And that's the area that was very sad to see something like that, because that is totally elevating something that though is an important secondary, it's being elevated to that of the deity of Christ or grace alone.

It's elevating it to an essential, which is not, I think it's uncalled for in those ways.

But what Tom had just said there, and I'm trying to get back to what I was, what I was trying to piggyback onto it.

This is the danger with it. If the law, if in somebody's mind they think, okay, the law was a provision in the sense that I could be justified by it.

Tom just read a scripture that says that they tried to establish their own righteousness according to the law, right?

I'm able to do it and look, I'm being saved by it. I'm righteous because I'm keeping it. How is that any different than saying,

God provided me the salvation. I've turned to it. I have come unto it. I'm the one that got it for myself.

And now I'm righteous because I did it. You see how similar that sounds? Yeah, it's boasting.

It's boasting in your own, yes. A thousand percent. Are you seeking to establish your own form of righteousness by being able to say,

I had faith myself. I did it. And that's going right back to what Jeff just read.

You know, because if you could do that, then why was it necessary to sacrifice his only begotten son?

God poured out his wrath on his only begotten son. And if that, he said, that's the only way.

It's not through my own righteousness. So you were unwilling. Yes, that's absolutely true. He needs to be made willing.

And the only way he could be made willing is through the preaching of the word of God where the Holy Spirit can make that stony heart alive.

And that's exactly what Jeffrey argued in the debate. Absolutely. Ezekiel 36.

Also, I want to point out the simple fact that, you know, like it says, responsible, that is everyone.

I want to point out the everyone because you know how they always point out the all. All means all, all the time.

And that's all all means. Yeah. Like it's so stupid, right?

So right here he has that everyone is able to respond to God's appeal.

What about the people who've never heard the gospel? How are they? They're a part of everyone.

Everyone means everyone. That's all everyone means. They probably have an answer for that.

I'd be afraid of what it is, but. Well, but Jason, Jason built that, don't you remember?

Oh, the dreams, right? Without the preaching of the gospel, no one can be saved.

So, I mean, that's what Romans 10 teaches. How will they hear if there is no preacher?

We're right here in Romans 10. What is it? Verse 13, for everyone who calls upon the name of the

Lord will be saved. Verse 14, I mean, I will start saying verse 14. How then would they call upon him in whom they have not believed?

And how are they to believe in him of whom they have not never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

And how are they to preach unless they are sent? And as it is written, how beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news?

And by the way, on the end of that right there, some of y 'all got ugly feet. Yeah. Right here, dude.

Let me just throw this out here for like, think about this for a moment, what it's trying to say responsible for.

Let me just say this. Are you guys responsible for your salvation? No. Are you responsible for the divine provision?

Unless God intervenes, I remain dead in my sin. And matter of fact,

I don't want anything to do with God. I don't wanna hear it. What I'm responsible for is my sin that was laid upon the son of God, Jesus Christ.

That's my responsible and Christ paid for it. That's right. I had nothing to do with my salvation.

It is all of the Lord and I will boast in him alone. Zero. Zero. That was my whole argument.

We're dead in our sins. And another, 1 Timothy, Paul forms it as being slaves of Satan, right?

And you go back to Ephesians where it talks about the dead in our sins. It says that we are following the prince and the power of this heir, the spirit that is at work in the sons of disobedience.

Speaking of Satan, it says that we're chasing after the lust of our bodies and mind.

And the word, that Greek word for mind right there is speaking of our imaginations. We're living our life thinking that we're doing what we wanna do.

We're chasing after our dreams while all the while we're doing what Satan wants us to do.

The Bible says that we're doing his will. And not only that, but there's nothing in creation that proclaims to us the gospel.

Yes, creation declares to us the glory of God. I know there's a God, nothing that is guilty.

We suppress that truth with our sins. We hold that under, like there's nothing about it that's appealing.

Paul tells us in Corinthians that the preaching of the cross this thing that we cannot know from creation is foolishness to those who are perishing.

So he said something in there and that was 1 Corinthians 2 .14. And one of the guys, and I can't remember what the guy's name was.

But the natural man does not accept the depths of the spirit. This is the LSB. For it is foolishness under him, for he cannot understand it.

Every time the natural man, every time that that's used, and I wanna say it's this one here, that's used in five different verses.

It's always making the comparison between spirit and flesh.

It's always making comparison to the natural man, the dead man, the fleshly man compared to the spirit.

It's only used in five verses. I wanna say the other one's in James, as a matter of fact.

Yeah, so if I go to James 3 .15, it says the wisdom is not coming down from above, but from earthly, natural, demonic.

It's talking about, it's always making that contrast between the spirit and the flesh, the spirit and the flesh.

So yes, the natural man receives not the things of the spirit, the things from above, because it's foolishness unto him.

And besides that, he's spiritually discerned. He's dead, can't understand it, won't understand it, doesn't wanna have anything to do with it.

So unless God changes that heart, you will never, ever come to Christ.

So should we read the next one? Well, before we do,

I wanna say that, so after the podcast we did last week, they went and did a review as well.

And like a lot of things were not factual, but they try to say that I was a co -elder with James White or something like that.

Like the JP unplug guy, the guy that thinks he's a gangster, the

Christian gangster. But they also said that we're a bunch of meanies basically, that we were mean on our podcast.

And I was like, have you ever watched Open Air Theology? We're mean to each other. Well, that's how we get down.

We're mean to each other. Well, all I gotta do is flash my hands and these guys make fun of me.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. It's messed up. I agree with JP, you guys are mean.

Don't turn this on, shut up. No, JP. They also made a comment about how that Jason wasn't a debater and that you're a lot better debater.

Listen, the Bible says to be ready always to answer a man of the reason of the hope that is in you.

You had questions asked to you and you couldn't answer them. You answered every question.

You asked every question to Jeffrey and he answered you and then followed back and you couldn't follow up.

You know, that's on him. You know, it's not that he wasn't a great debater. The problem was is that he didn't have the truth standing behind him.

He didn't have the truth. And it's one thing to know your position. It's another thing to recite someone else's position.

Right. Like all he did. Listen, I'm telling you, I had watched,

I think it was six different Layton Flower videos that I could send where it was almost word for word.

I knew what questions he was going to ask because it's the same ones that Layton asked in his debates.

I just knew what it was. And it was like clockwork. I was like, well,

I already knew how to answer these questions. Listen, that was my first time doing public debate.

He was like, yeah, well, I've never took debate in school. I was kicked out of school for gang violence at 15.

What are you talking about? My debate comes from the streets.

Like I do open air preaching week in and week out. Right. And so I do a lot of, you know, I have to be quick on my toes when

I'm talking to Seventh -day Adventist, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, or just people that think they're

Christians. Right. I'm always like, that's where my things come from. No, I've never been in that arena where I've been in a public moderated debate.

That was my first time. I won because I had the truth. I know my position and also studied his position.

And I didn't even know his position. I just knew he was going to copy Layton Flowers. By studying Laytonism.

Yeah, I studied Laytonism. That's right. On that note, you quoted what regeneration was several times in the debate.

Yeah, and it's like, you didn't even understand. Braden, read what generation is, what regeneration is in the

Laytonism Fixed. Oh, oh yeah. Okay. Should I just show it? Should I flash it so that everybody can see what we got going on?

Hold on, what are you talking about? So the Laytonism Fixed, where it says regeneration is the new - Hold on, we can't get there yet.

No, okay. I want - We gotta give people something to look forward to. You could be so mean, Jeff Colley, man.

Oh no, I'm sorry. Have you watched this show? Good Lord, I know you're out of it, but come on.

Let's go on to O though, because I think this is going to be - We're skipping the, okay, all right, all right.

No, no, no, let's - We're going to come back and respond. This is part one of part possibly 20, okay.

We got a lot going on here. Open door. They messed up calling us mean. Open door, right there.

I just want to pause and say, Jeff just did an excellent sermon series on John 10 that just has to deal with Jesus saying

He is the door. So let's just see if this definition, which I think right out the gate is unbiblical.

Open door. Open door, let me pause there. I just want to read something from John 10.

Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.

So notice that a thief and a robber. Now notice this, but he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

To him, the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own by name and leads them out.

When he has brought out all of his own, he goes before them and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.

A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.

This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them. Let me pause there, just take note of things and stuff.

Is there more characters and individuals that are talked about in this text than sheep? Yes, robbers, strangers. Are they sheep?

Nope, they're not. Was the door closed or open when the gatekeeper, what was the gatekeeper there for?

Oh, it was a closed door, right, Jeff? Closed door, yeah, and it was guarded by the

Holy Spirit. It's a closed door. How do the sheep go through this door?

Sounds like the shepherd is the one that calls them out, and the door opens to the shepherd.

Anybody else who calls them, they won't go, but he knows them by name. That's right. When I was preaching through this,

I spoke about a time that, so most of y 'all know I have a background in roofing.

I've roofed nearly 30 years professionally, 25, 27 years. And we put up on this job site one time, and it was just this big old sheep pen.

And we thought it was gonna be funny. We was gonna get out and pet the sheep, right? We was gonna mess with the sheep.

And we're out there clicking and patting on ourselves, making weird noises. They didn't even look at us.

They paid no attention. I'm talking about 20, 30. It was just a big old pile of sheep in this fence.

They didn't look at us. It was the weirdest thing ever. And all of a sudden, this woman sticks her head out of the door, makes some clicking noise.

They all lifted their heads, looked at her, and followed after her. We're over trying to get their attention.

We're doing stupid stuff. We're about ready to start throwing rocks at these sheep.

Like, look at me, you dumb sheep. They will not pay any attention to us. But the moment that woman did that, whatever it was that she did, they looked at her and they followed after her.

I mean, this is no joke. And that right there really brought this portion of scripture alive to me.

So, and I think all of our conclusions from this text is that we would argue that the gatekeeper is the

Holy Spirit. The shepherd is obviously Jesus as he claims that title. And then the father spoken about is the one that gives the sheep or gives

God's people to him, right? So we see a covenant of redemption here.

We see the, oh, what is it called? The -

And you see the covenant of grace that passed through the covenants. Yeah, you see the working of the

Trinity, right? The father predestines, the son redeems, the Holy Spirit applies, right? Like that's what we see here in this text.

And this is missing in Latinism. Right, so let's break that down a little bit.

The father chose some or predestined some before the foundation of the world. So he's going to send his son to redeem or in their model, he's going to send a son to make salvation possible for other people whom the father didn't choose before the foundation of the world.

That didn't make any sense at all. And then the Holy Spirit is going to draw just whoever he can get, hopefully, as long as that can come.

So it severs the Godhead. The covenant of redemption, every role, everybody has, each member of the

Godhead has a role. The father predestined, just like Brayden just said, the son comes to redeem and the

Holy Spirit applies. That's the role. If you divide that up, you're severing the

Godhead. You cannot sever the Godhead. Yep, it's a fact.

So what it says here, open door is the divine provision offered impartially to all for anyone to enter through faith for whosoever may come to his open arms.

Just pause for just a moment. Again, Jeff just said, sheep,

Tom, good stuff. Who are the ones that come to the son's voice here in John 10?

His elect. His elect, his sheep. Because a sheep man at this time would have had more than just one herd of sheep.

So it's not all that come to him. It is partial. So is the divine provision impartially?

Is it impartial or is it not in that text? If you just think about it, let's say that we three were shepherds and we put our different sheeps into a sheep pen.

All of mine are black, okay? They're black sheep, okay? Y 'all got beautiful white sheep or whatever, right?

All right, so let's say that all of our sheeps are together and then I come making my clicking sounds and your sheep confuse me for you and all of your sheep come out of that gate and follow me as well.

Well, I'm a thief, right? I am exactly what that scripture is preaching against.

He said, my sheep hear my voice and they follow me.

Right, if any other sheep, because he's talking about people who are stealing. At this time, it was a, okay, so a sheep foe would have probably been built between two houses and then would have had a brickle, kind of like a rock background in the back and there would have been a rock background and then there'd been a door portion, like a gate kind of a thing.

Like they would even, a shepherd would even have to hire someone. It might be like a shepherd, an apprentice of shepherd or someone that would watch over his sheep.

And this was kind of like the hired hand and stuff like that. Like there's a lot of things going on anyways, but the point is that in the sheep foe, shepherds would bring, when they would travel into Jerusalem, they would bring their sheep and their sheep would blend in with the other sheep that was already in that sheep foe.

And when he calls his sheep by name, his sheep come out from among the larger flock.

And if one other sheep would have followed that sheep, that went for that other shepherd, that shepherd would have been a thief or taken something that belonged to someone else.

Right. Things that they're not thinking about. So verse 16 of John 10,

I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also. Now, Mormons would say that these are

Native Americans. I just want to throw that out there. Of course, like they're part of it.

Right. The other sheep are Gentiles. So, Tom, can you say that?

All does not mean all without exception, but all without - Distinction. Distinction.

I appreciate that quote very much. That's what this is talking about. God has,

Jesus has sheep that the Father has given him that is from all types of people. Kings, slaves,

Gentiles, Jews, Greeks, barbarians, prostitutes, senators, you name it.

Christ has sheep that are there. And guess what? The sheep hear his voice.

And then guess what? Jesus, when he's talking more plainly to the Pharisees here, he says this in verse 27, my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me.

I give them eternal life and they will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

My father who has given them to me is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of my father's hands.

Right. So talking about the other sheep in another fold that we're coming, talking about the Gentiles.

So Ephesians chapter two, and I can start in verse 17. And he came and he preached the good news of peace to you who are far off and peace to those who were near.

For through him, we both have our access in one spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers, talking about the

Gentiles, and sojourners, talking about the Gentiles, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and are of God's household, having been put on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets,

Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole building being joined together and growing into the holy sanctuary of the

Lord, in whom you were being built together into dwelling of God by the spirit.

And so, yeah, we are made one, that was the mystery of Christ, that he came to save all people groups, all without distinction, not every single person.

That would be universalism. That's right.

Could y 'all help me understand? I feel like I might be misreading this, or maybe he miswrote it, talking about the humble clay.

Let me pull it up on the screen. Which one?

I just put it up on the screen. Can you see it? Yeah, which - What's wrong with it?

The people here, are you talking about the, oh, humble clay. I think that's better. All right, so. I'm just wondering if he's asking us, or he's just making a statement.

Is this the pursuit of an analogy? People hear the voice of him who here protects and feeds them.

He's saying, is that a good analogy? And I think that that's good, yeah. Yeah. Those that are the sheep of God will recognize his voice.

I mean, that's the analogy of scripture that's given to us in John 10. That's right. Yeah, absolutely.

Just looking here real fast. I wanna just be really clear, if there is a

Latentist that watches this, none of these scriptural proofs that Latent puts here is anything that we would disagree with.

We would say amen to it. And I think Latent and the provisionist, the Latentist, is misapplying these references way out of context.

We saw earlier with that Isaiah 58 verse, right? Any one of these that is understood in its context is perfectly within covenant theology and confessional

Calvinism, confessional doctrines of grace. And just to prove that, if you just go back to the debate

I had with Jason, every verse that he was speaking about concerning a belief before the

Holy Spirit, I was saying amen, right? I agree with that. That's what the scripture says.

But he could not agree with my argument of what the scripture clearly says that that faith is given to us in regeneration.

Right. Right? So the way that he was applying the verses were wrong.

The verses himself, I can say absolutely amen. But his assumption with what it was actually teaching was absolutely wrong.

Yeah. And that's what's going on here. Like these verses are, yeah, we agree with all these verses and laid out in its proper context.

Right. That's right.

Yeah. All right. So we're at an hour and eight. Are y 'all able to continue or you wanna pull a plug in it, put a plug in it?

I can probably do one more point for tonight, but I do have to go. I gotta get off after the next point.

I mean, I told you, there's no way it was gonna get done with this tonight. Oh yeah. Whenever you guys want,

I'm good. Yeah, I'm fine too. Braden is the jack leg of the bunch.

I know, I'm sorry. All right, so let's try to get one more. I'm not being mean. Yeah, that was rude.

You know, I've got two good legs. That's messed up. I don't know why you would say that about me. Do you even know what a jack leg is?

Well, I gotta look at my dog out to pee real quick. Hold on. Oh gosh.

No, now he goes. Let's talk about him a bit. He had to watch this.

He said something to him. Hello man. He's gonna let his dog out to pee and he's gonna twist his ankle. Apparently letting out your dog is more important than talking about the atonement of Christ.

I see how it is. I would say how it is. I would have let my dog pee on the carpet. Yeah. Hey, glad you're back.

We weren't talking about you. Oh my gosh. What'd they say, you guys? Type in what they say.

I wouldn't hear. Nothing but good things. Nothing but good things. It's a lie. He's talking about how when you get old, you get brittle.

Did you tell, you know what is bad? You made Bibles for both you and Braden and I haven't even gotten one.

I got the Bible over here. I just haven't had time. Oh, okay. All right then, we're okay. Look at that.

Look at Braden's new Bible. This camera will not do it justice. It is beautiful.

If you haven't bought a Bible yet from Post -Tenebrous Lux. We're gonna have identical Bibles when it comes to the exact cover and the layout.

Out of the same hide. Out of the same hide. Like we are doing it. This is one of the parts of being best friends with a

Bible reminder. You can make it out of that, Tom. Oh, y 'all hate it but don't like me.

All right, should we talk about the atonement now instead of worrying about dogs anymore? Okay.

Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Do it. Do it. Which one are we on? Do it. Vicarious atonement.

Vicarious atonement. Vicarious, excuse me. It is as Layden has defined it here, is the divine provision.

Given of sufficient value for the sins of the whole world and provides a way for anyone to be saved on the basis for anyone of Christ's shed blood.

Christ's shed blood. The whole world? And nothing but the world?

All of it? What about the aliens? Well, that's where the other sheep come in.

Yeah. Yeah. The green sheep.

We're being mean. We better chill it out. We're being mean. We're not being pastor -like.

Like, dude, have you come to my church? Have you sat around the table with us?

1 Timothy 3, it says that the pastor cannot laugh. Yeah, he cannot joke, he cannot be funny.

I'm sorry, but when God saved me, he saved me with a sense of humor. He didn't do a very good job because you're not that funny.

I didn't say he saved me as a comedian, it was just a sense of humor. Just a sense of humor.

I got a touch. And again, he goes right into, he provides a way.

He provides a way for anyone to be saved. Anyone has a chance to be saved.

Just notice, okay. I know that Jason, JP, and the other gentlemen really did not like what

I had to say during last week's video on things. Your free will is your idol at this point.

And I think it's very abundantly clear, even in this document. Anybody that believes that they can choose

God out of their own sinful nature and desires, I'm sorry. You hate

God's sovereignty. I won't say that you hate God because I believe you can be saved in this position, but you hate

God's sovereignty. You're redefining it unbelievably. And you're trying to elevate your free will, which as a

Calvinist, I believe in free will, but you're trying to elevate it to a place that is far beyond what scripture defines it as.

And I'm sorry. I'm not sorry. I'll just say I'm sorry.

Sorry, not sorry. And if your salvation is dependent upon you,

Brayden, if our salvation is dependent upon me, then that last point that they have, the eternal security is inconsistent.

Yeah, which we'll talk about, I'm sure, that when we do it. Eternal security is 100 % in line with Calvinism and doctrines of grace, right?

That's right. I don't believe there's such a thing as a four -point Calvinist. There's only somebody that's a four -point Calvinist. That's consistent or inconsistent.

And if you, I'm sorry, lateness, you're trying to be a one -point Calvinist. I'm not calling you a lateness anymore.

I'm calling you a one -point Calvinist. And guess what? You're an inconsistent one at that because you can't even claim that title.

In my nature, I'm just gonna go off on a rabbit trail real fast on a tangent. If in my nature, I can turn in my sinfulness and have faith in Christ and be saved, why not in that same, my own nature, right?

Why can I not stop believing in God and turn my back to the blood of Christ? Why not? That's your free will.

Why can't, if some people die with their sins paid for, but they die in unbelief, therefore it's not applied to them, which is dealing with vicarious atonement, according to the lateness, why can

I not turn back to a position of unbelief and have Christ not,

His blood is not powerful enough to overturn that unbelief? That's right. That's exactly right.

Why? Well, that's the doctrine. So that's the point that Jason Breida disagrees with.

So Jason Breida would argue that you can lose your salvation. He would. Yeah, and that's what's coming from him being an

Anabaptist. So he's a consistent Arminian then, really?

Well, so I don't wanna get too much into it, really, but an

Anabaptist is basically a church of Christ on steroids. Baptismal regenerations.

Yeah, but we'll get to that. And I've had a question, Jason, on that, and he won't respond to me anymore.

So on what you were saying though, Braden, in the point that you were making, there is nobody in hell for whom

Christ died. That's right. Not one person. He did not waste his blood on anybody.

There's nobody in hell for whom Christ died. Yeah, let's just go to Colossians. And I agree, yeah, Leighton St. Pelagian, who's

J. Box. That's right. Colossians. Yeah, absolutely. Colossians chapter two, verse 13.

And you who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh,

God made alive together with him, having forgiven. So all this is past tense language, right?

Having forgiven us of our trespasses by counseling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands, he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame by triumphing over them in him.

Wait, I'm gonna just quote J .P. and Mauler on this. That's an analogy, dude.

That didn't really happen. Yeah, so that record of death. So picture this as, so it's kind of like, have you ever seen someone throw a punch and instead of hitting the person they were aiming for, they actually hit themselves in the mouth?

That's what's taking place here. As those Roman soldiers are nailing Jesus to the cross, this text is saying that they're nailing that record of debt that stood against those who were dead in their trespasses and sins, but were, right here it says, but made alive together with God, with Christ.

So those who were dead that were made alive, their sin debt is nailed to the cross.

And my dear friends, Christ came down from that cross, but you know what didn't? That record of debt.

That's right. This is not an analogy text. Let me be very clear in saying this. This is how you are saved.

Is Christ died for you. Did you read that? Yeah. So Romans six, therefore you were buried with him through baptism into death so that Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the father.

So we too might walk in the newness of life for we have been become united with him in the likeness of his death.

Certainly we shall be in the likeness of his resurrection. The debt was paid for.

The debt was nailed to the cross. And because he lives, we live. Because he died, we died.

This is our very identity in Christ. You know, it'd be interesting because then so one of the scriptural references of lists here, second

Corinthians 521, which is the text, of course, he who knew no sin became sin on our behalf so that we might be made the righteous of God in him.

And they're obviously going to try to apply that, that Christ died for everyone, right? My question to them is then if that's the argument from that text, right?

He who knew no sin became sin on, what does Paul say there? Our behalf.

Our behalf, right? So it sounds more, doesn't say everyone, doesn't say all.

And even in that, we gotta look at the context, of course, on our behalf so that we might be made the righteous of God in him.

So it sounds like those who Christ died for, Christ also lived for, and now we have his righteousness.

So in Christ, so not only, so I would ask the laytness this, if Christ died for someone that now is in hell, did he also live for them?

And that righteousness, you see where I'm going with this? I pointed that out too.

Did you? That he has to deny substitutionary atonement in the life and death, resurrection.

He has to deny the imputed righteousness, the imputed, yes. If he lives for you, that means that the life that he lives, he lived for you as a substitute.

As goes the covenant head, so go the people. As goes the king, so goes the kingdom, right?

So I grew up in public school, and y 'all have heard me say this. Whenever my teacher was unable to come and teach, they would send a teacher to teach in her place.

And that teacher was called a substitute, right? She taught in her place.

If Jesus lived the life that I could not live in my place, that means that I'm perfectly righteous before God.

Now, of course, in time, so you have to break down the Romans eight, those whom he foreknew, he predestined, to what?

To be conformed to the image of his son, which will be at the glorification of our resurrection.

And it says, for those whom he predestined, he also called, so this will be our effectual call.

And those whom he called, he also justified. How are we justified? By faith, so in that call, we respond in faith, and those whom are justified will be glorified.

And at that point, when he justified us, it was a legal declaration where the father declared us righteousness because of his son.

Because of the life that he lived. Absolutely, absolutely. Substitutionary atonement. It's a fire on me, yes.

So again, we can look at - He had the life and his death. Yes. He lived for us, he died for us.

He rose for us. Both as a substitute. Yes. That's right. So are you saying we can say amen to Isaiah 53, the suffering servant song there, the text there in Isaiah?

Can we say amen to that? Amen. Absolutely. John 12? The Lord crushed him in our place.

2 Corinthians, 1st Timothy, 1st John, absolutely. We say amen to all these things right here.

I figured something out. Okay, so let's do another point.

I'm not kidding. I'm on one now. You guys got me jazzed up on this and wanting to keep on going.

Illuminating grace? Yeah, go ahead and read it, dude. I'm so small, it's really hard for me to see it.

Is the divine provision offered sufficiently to all and provides clearly revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith?

What? Did I read that wrong? I might've heard it wrong.

Will you read it again? I thought I heard some heresy, but - Hold on, let me read that again.

Is the divine provision offered sufficiently to all and provides revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith?

Wow. Provides clearly revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith.

I would ask them these. I don't want to lay down. Oh, my dog,

I'm just kidding. My dog hears my voice. So, time out.

A person that is born in a remote part of the world, never knowing of Christ, is there a divine provision there that's sufficient to him for him to turn to God in faith with?

No, no. That is the importance. I had a dream.

Right, this is the importance of the preaching of the word. Yes, that's right.

This is the importance of missionary work. This is the importance of churches. This is the importance of evangelism.

You just, listen, you want to accuse a hyper -Calvinist, which I'm right there with you, saying that they're in the wrong.

Amen, right? We're right there. You're in the wrong for not doing evangelism, but right here, do

I need to do evangelism if God has sufficiently revealed the divine provision so that all can know and respond in faith?

That's why I asked that question. I would love to have light and flowers on so I can ask him that question.

Is the gospel revealed in creation? Answer, no.

No, yeah. It's a special revelation. The word, especially preached word, is the means how

God uses, seeing how he calls, seeing how he, hold on, see how the calling and the new birth is immediately linked.

This is trash. Anyone that holds to this holds to garbage. You ever heard that saying, you know, like birds of a feather flock together and all this other stuff.

Like people always tell me, like, just cause you hang out with someone doesn't mean you're going to be like them. I would say, well, go hang out beside a trash can and come back and see how you smell.

You hang out with trash, you're going to smell like trash. This is garbage, this is trash.

It's bad theology. Why can I, okay. And I know Leighton wouldn't say yes to this, right?

Because as a Calvinist, we would say, you should go out and evangelize, right? As a

Leightonist though, according to that, right there, illuminating grace, why should I go out and preach the gospel if God has already revealed sufficiently to the person that which is clear enough for them to have faith and to have salvation?

Right. You absolutely shouldn't. You absolutely shouldn't. Cause here's the thing. I go out regularly and Jake just commented,

Jake just went out with me this past Saturday, right? Like there was four of us total. We were out there looking like straight up fools to those who are in the world.

That's right. Trying to do the work of God in preaching the gospel, call a man to repentance and faith through that message of the cross, right?

That's right. If all that is revealed, why would I bother? And listen, there's one thing that you can accuse us three of a lot of things, but not evangelizing is not one of those things.

That's right. I will put us three evangelizing against the provisionist any day.

We go out regularly. We're Calvinists who go out regularly and preach the gospel in the open air.

That's right. Now we don't always post about it or make videos. Every once in a while we do to encourage the saints to get out there and do so, but we go out there regularly.

If these things were revealed in creation or had some other special way to be revealed outside of the preaching of the gospel, then why would

I want to look like a fool to my neighbors? Listen to me. I preach in my own neighborhood. I go to a restaurant to eat.

People are whispering about me, making fun of me. You think I want that? Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. But I do want to save Christ. That's right. First Peter one says, for you have not been born again, not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible.

That is through the living and enduring word of God. It is the word of God that has the power.

That's why we go out and we preach the gospel. That's why we know that it's not in ourselves pitch.

It's not in anything that we do, but it's the power of God, it's the salvation, that God's word has the power to transform lives.

So one of the scriptural references that is given here for illuminating grace is

Job 33, 12 through 30, which I just got done preaching through the book of Job.

And I, listen to me on this. I would not say amen to Elihu in this text.

I would not want to put that as a scriptural reference for someone to read, because guess what?

Elihu listened to God himself. Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?

Job 38 verse two, in response to what Elihu has just told

Job. I don't think I'd be getting my theology from Eliaphus, Bildad, Zophar, or Elihu.

Even though Elihu does better than these other three friends, Elihu still holds to a sense of karma theology that you do good, you receive good, you do bad, you get bad.

And he's accusing Job of doing bad. And that's why his children died, which God pronounces

Job as what? Righteous, just man, upright before the

Lord and one who fears Yahweh. I'm gonna listen to what God has to say and not quote Elihu to validate illuminating grace.

Look at the other, in John 1, 9, they use one verse right there.

There was the true light, which came into the world, enlightens everyone.

But they forget 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. There was a man having sent from God, whose name was

John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light so that all men might believe through him.

He was not that light, but he came into bear witness about that light. Here's their text.

There was the true light, which coming into the world, enlightens everyone. How did that happen?

Through John bearing witness about this light. It was the proclamation of who the light was.

Hold on bro, you can't be reading the context. That's not how this works. Yeah. Stop being mean.

I wanna just also mention something too. Why is illuminating grace not referring to Job 38 to 42, where God explicitly talks about,

I'm gonna say the dirty word, his exhaustive, deterministic, meticulous sovereignty.

Did you say God? I did. God uses this language saying -

Watch it. Listen, God says, I create the desert for the donkey that you will never see.

And he laughed at the city. I create the desert so the donkey will laugh at your obscenities in the city.

That is our God. Where will the bear lay down? I don't know, but God has told it where to.

That is the God that we worship. That is the sovereign God of all the heavens and the earth. And guess what?

This is Job's response to how God responds to Elihu, Job and his other three friends.

This is how Job then responds to God. He says, then Job answered the Lord and said, I know that you can do all things and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.

What purpose do you think Job is talking about? Seven days after his children just died,

Job knows now that God causes all things and that there's purpose behind it. And he might not know the purpose, but guess what he knows?

That no purpose of God can be thwarted, including the death of his children. The plot that Satan devised was that God could then therefore now show his glory that Job never rejected

God. That God was the right one in the story. It says here, no purpose of yours can be thwarted.

Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge? Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand. Things too wonderful for me, which

I did not know. Here and I will speak. I will question you and you make it known to me. I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now my eyes see you.

Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes. Listen, this is so clear.

God is sovereign and people hate that. Even over calamity,

Amos 3, 6. If a trumpet is blown in a city, will people tremble?

If calamity happens, is the city has not Yahweh done it? He's in control of everything, all things.

There's not one maverick molecule like R .C. Sproul says. Isn't it funny how you're the fallen on one of the two sides, right?

How they deny it and we find comfort in it. That's right. If God is not sovereign, why pray?

That's right. I just think about the death of my mom, my dad, my brother, my sister.

I'm the only one left in my immediate family, birth family. And through it all,

I had to look to God's sovereignty and find comfort in the things that I did not understand, knowing that although I'm suffering with this, that somehow it's for my good and His glory.

Although I cannot explain it, that's what I lay my head on at night. Right. It's His sovereignty.

And I would also say to Jason, I don't know you from Adam, you seem like a nice guy.

You're a good guy. And I know he knows people probably even in his family that aren't saved, but what are you doing?

Why are you going to a God who's not sovereign and praying to Him to ask Him to intervene so that your family members might be saved?

Why don't you just go convince your family members to be saved? If it's all up to them, if they have to make the decision, if He made salvation possible, no.

You go to your sovereign God. You go to your Father in heaven, the creator of the heavens and the earth, who can go and He could change that person's heart.

That's what you pray, brother. You pray to your sovereign God. Am I being mean? No. Jason doesn't even need to go to his family.

It says here that God has sufficiently revealed Himself. There's no need for Jason to do that.

This is the danger of Latinism. Tom is 100 % right. Pray to God.

Pray to God that He would save your family and then go preach the gospel. That's right. And God, you count on God to do it.

You have faith that God will intervene. Yep. That's right. Just like he intervened in Jason's life,

JP's life, the other gentleman's life, the blatant flower's life. Anybody that has turned to Him, had faith in Jesus Christ, God Himself intervened in you and caused you to do such.

He gave you a new heart, granted you faith. And in doing that, you had an experience that you came to Christ that you are now trying to take boasting of and rob glory from God of.

But God being rich in mercy because of His great love with which He's loved us, made us alive together with Christ.

God did it. Grace, you have been saved. Yeah. Through faith. I'm a savior.

This is not of your own doing. It's not, yeah. What's not of your own doing? What's not good of your own doing?

Isn't it? Your believing is not of your own doing. That's right. It is the gift of God.

Not a result of work so that no one may boast. Yeah. Nothing I can do. Nothing in my own merit.

Nothing, I can't bribe God. I can't please Him my own righteousness. There's nothing

I could do. Nothing I can bribe Him and merit salvation. It's all about Him.

It's all about His grace. I'm just thinking of this, guys. Like this is mind blowing. So John 10, the sheep will hear

His voice. You, me, everyone that has faith in Christ. I'm gonna talk about us three.

So Jeff, Tom, Braden. We were sheep given from the Father to the

Son and we didn't even know it, right? Right. Isaiah 44 or Isaiah 43 to 46, but I think it's in Isaiah 44 in the final verses there.

I got a preacher on it at the conference that says, I have declared the ends before the beginning. And he says, what does he say in there?

I'm gonna forget what he says exactly. But in there it says that you may know that I am God. I've told you these things before that they've happened so that you may know that I am

God. God's sovereignty is actually the way that God distinguishes

Himself amongst the false gods of Babylon there in Isaiah is what's being talked about in there in the context.

You and I as sheep have been given from the Father to the

Son in a sovereign way. When you and I came to know

Christ, it's a testimony of God's sovereignty. It's a testimony that you and I have been prepared and predestined to be the people of God before the foundations of the world.

Hallelujah. God's sovereignty is what separates Him from all false gods.

And again, the Latinists, the Arminianists and all the other individuals that are denying God's sovereignty, you have made your free will into an idol and it's shameful.

Yeah. Let's read destroyed. D, provide.

I'm not done. D, destroyed. Destroyed for unbelief. Destroyed for.

So yeah, so this will basically fall under, people are not put into hell for their sin.

They're put into hell because they didn't believe. Rejected Jesus. I'm sure they go to grieving the

Holy Spirit on this one. Right? So let's read it again. So destroyed for unbelief.

Go ahead, I'm sorry. One at a time. Hey, jack legs. I'm not reading it now.

I'm not reading it either, Jesse. My feelings are hurt. My feelings are hurt. Well, I'm gonna read it.

If I said it, it's not my fault, it's my dyslexia. What do I got? Destroyed for unbelief and resisting the

Holy Spirit's drawing to God's mercy will be the divine provision of justice.

You could thwart God's hand. If God doesn't intend to, well, listen, if God intends to save you,

Jeff, you could say, oh, no, no, no. His hand's coming. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. You can't do that.

Yeah, it didn't work out so well for Lazarus when he came out of the grave.

Just saying. Guys, these two last points, I'm just gonna read eternal security because these go hand in hand with each other.

Eternal security is the divine provision that is everlasting for all true believers.

Time out. Just hammer. Time out. So if you turn and have faith, so is unbelief a sin according to this document?

Yes. Yeah. That's because you're thrown into hell. So Christ paid for that sin.

Divine provision of justice right there. Divine provision applied to you, right? Yeah, yeah. Of justice.

Did Christ die, did his vicarious atonement right here, did his death die for all sin according to this?

Let's look at it. Well, it's sufficient for all, right? Yeah, it says in his divine provision, given, man, it's so small, of sufficient value for the sins of the whole world and provides a way for anyone to be saved on the basis of Christ's shed blood.

So, okay, there's a plethora of things. So there's a full -on avalanche of crap and trash with this theology right here.

So I hope you're going right to the eternal security thing there. Yes, I am. You can resist his will right here by not accepting

Christ's blood covering your sins and you're in judgment of divine provision of justice.

Now I'm judged based on my ability to resist God's hand. Now that I'm eternally secure because I've accepted, now

I'm gonna change my mind because I've decided not to accept his grace any longer. I've had it with this

Jesus. I'm gonna do away with it. I don't want him anymore. I'm an unbeliever.

I'm throwing away the grace. Man. No way. This is bad, terrible stuff, guys.

So all can resist. Oh my goodness. So all can resist.

So to him, you know, Jesus died for the sins. He didn't die for the sin of unbelief.

So he died for every sin but unbelief. So when you're cast both body and soul into hell, it's just because you didn't believe.

It's not because you're a lying, thieving, adulterous, blasphemer who is never obedient to your parents and who resists the worship of God.

I had nothing to do with it. It's because you just didn't believe in something that you had to be told because creation does not declare and if you go back to that debate, you have to receive faith.

So that means that you can reject the faith that's given to you as a gift and you reject

Christ. And you could do that at any time then, right, Jeff? Absolutely.

If you can do it at the beginning, then you can do it. Yeah, there is no security.

Listen, there is no assurance of salvation if Latinism is true. That's right.

There is no assurance. You ever heard of pietism? Let's talk about theology of pulling yourself up by your bootstrap.

That's right. That's climbing the rope and hanging yourself. This movement is pietistic.

It's dangerous. It's garbage. It's trash. Be a part of it and you're gonna smell like it.

Yeah. It's gonna keep you from being an evangelist. Like this guy talks about that he was a part of the mission board evangelist or something like that at one time.

My dear friend, no. With this theology, you would not be allowed to come out with me witnessing.

No, absolutely not. No. I would say, get your own mic, find your own street and I'm gonna come protest when you do.

Yeah. Because I guarantee you, my mic set and speakers are louder than yours.

I got two. My theology is better, but I guarantee you, my mic set up and my system is louder.

You're giving them, in his model, he's given people a false hope, a weak

Jesus who you can reject at any time, that a salvation that's not sufficient to save because you could reject it at any time.

You can thwart God's will. You can thwart his hand. You could resist the Holy Spirit. You can resist his calling.

You can believe and then not believe. It's just. But that's the thing though.

So, if I go to hell only because of my unbelief, timeout.

I was in unbelief before I had faith in Christ. Did Christ pay for that sin of unbelief?

I hope he did. I really hope he did. Or else guess what? Guess what? If Christ did not die for that sin,

I am going to be destroyed according to this text, right? If our unbelief is not covered in the righteousness of Christ, God will see us as sinners and we'll be cast, both body and soul, into the lake of fire.

This is the issue. This is where it's gonna go into universalism very easily and slippery, right? So, if Christ died for my unbelief.

This is where Anabaptist went, by the way. That's right. That's right. Absolutely. And we're gonna get into that in the coming future.

So, unbelief, sin, Christ died for it when I had faith in him, according to this documents, right?

Why, if Christ's death was sufficient for all and he died for all sins of all people, everyone, everywhere, anytime, what about their unbelief?

Yeah. Did Christ not die for their sins for unbelief and only mine for sins for unbelief? And not only that, how many believers do we know, supposed believers that then turn their back on God, anathematized, apostatized.

Hold on, Brandon. Are you saying that God shows favor, that he's gonna die for your unbelief, but not for my unbelief?

He's gonna die for his sheep's unbelief, absolutely. No, yeah, but so think about this.

They talk about God is, that we make God unfair. All right, so for the

Christian, they're saying that God died for their, that Christ died for their unbelief. But for the unbeliever,

Christ did not die for their unbelief. Well, that's just not right. That's not fair.

Right. Like none of this makes sense. It doesn't. That's right.

It does not make any sense. I mean, seriously, Jason, how can you listen to this show and watch us go through every single one of these points and still remain where you are?

Which he's not gonna hold to E. He's not gonna hold to E. But how can latent flowers or any lateness hold to this, right?

So by including a point of Calvinism, by being an inconsistent one point

Calvinist, you have completely undone. Scripture itself has rejected each one of these points.

Absolutely, yeah. However, where they define it, yeah. Yeah, eternal security has completely erased all the previous points.

It's a very inconsistent document. Man, I really wish that, because I'm gonna be honest with you,

I like Jason. Yeah, he seems like a good dude. Absolutely. I really wished he would take the time to study

Baptist covenant theology. And if he disagrees with it, I would love nothing more than to have that debate on Baptist covenant theology.

Because right now as it stands, he really doesn't have a foundation. Yeah. Like he really doesn't have a foundation.

And I would love nothing more. Listen, I think that we should be praying. Praying that Jason would dive in deeper to something like this.

I would love nothing more than to just have that conversation.

Can you imagine if he actually just came and God opened his eyes to this, and he'd be preaching at the next conference?

Absolutely. Here's the thing, like Baptist covenant theology changed everything for me.

Like you can take me to any scripture in the Bible, and I know how to interpret it.

Because of my foundation, my foundation that I have in scripture.

Like I know, like when he says, he says, well,

I used to be where you are, and I would be still, no brother, you've never been where I am.

You don't have a, he doesn't know what he believes just aren't in the end times or anything like that.

I would say that it was very clear that he thought that you guys were in the same camp before he changed.

It was very clear in that debate that he did not ever believe or know any of the positions that you hold to Jeff, that we hold to the three of us.

This is the issue with, so this, he was holding to a much more dispensational

Calvinism, and that's just what it was. Yeah. Well, he made the argument that there's many different flavors of Calvinism.

No, Calvinism has five points. Right. All right. However, we,

Calvinism is not our foundation for interpretation. Look at that. For interpretation.

I have no idea. I just start patting my chest like this. Calvinism. I saw it picking up my hands.

Yeah. Calvinism is not the foundation of our interpretation. Calvinism is just a tool in the belt when you have reformed theology, right?

Our foundation is Baptist covenant theology. And in Baptist covenant theology, we have a law and gospel distinction.

We have Calvinism. So depending on the subject that's being brought up, we have tools, theological tool, a framework that we're able to use to build this house of theology that we have.

And I'm unapologetic when it comes to it. Like I admit these things. However, and because I have this framework that I do have, and I think it's the best framework,

I can answer any question you have when it comes to a text because I have that foundation.

Yep. Hey, so just real fast, popped up on screen for a moment. So what we are gonna be doing in upcoming parts.

So we've gone through all the things. We'll refer back to them in future shows. But this is what everybody that's still able to, that's still watching right now.

This is what you got to look forward to. We fixed it. Latentism fixed.

I don't have it up here yet because we're gonna go through each one of these points and fix them. But look, it's going to be latentism fixed according to open air theology,

God's love and provision. According to the scriptures. Amen.

And then we bring this back up. You're gonna see all this provision.

I mean, this word provide is going to have a different framework.

And it's gonna be beautiful. It's gonna be one that every one of us.

Should I just pop it up? At least those who are on here right now. Give him a flat. No, because it's important. Can I give him a flash?

I can give it a little flash here. Okay, give him a flash. Oh, look, look, look. Let them do the work. Don't look, everyone.

Look, look. All right, now take it off. Take it off, take it off. Okay, take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Oh, latentism's fixed.

Very good. Well, everybody, we hope y 'all enjoyed the show tonight. We went a little over, but to me, it's not a little over.

I'm kind of like a Joe Rogan kind of guy. Let's four hour this baby. You know what I'm saying? We got some babies up in here.

People that have to get a good night's sleep or, you know. Good times.

Speaking to the guy down here. Yeah. But any last words from you guys?

Y 'all are meanies. Yeah, man, thank you guys for watching.

It was a blessing to be able to go through these points. You know, it's, you know,

I really truly do pray that Jason would come. And Leighton as well.

And Leighton, all you guys that were, you know, commenting on the last interview that we did, we do believe that you guys are brothers.

And, you know, if we make fun of you a little bit, you know, you'd be all right. It's just that we make fun of each other.

Yeah, we do. But no, really. I mean, I honestly cannot see going through every one of those points the way we did tonight.

And you guys still hold the position you hold. And I really truly do pray that God would open your eyes and see who he is and see how he saves us.

Because it's all the glory goes to him. We don't contribute at all to our salvation. Brandon, any last words, brother?

Love the lateness, love the provisionist, love those that are in the body of Christ. However, this theology is incorrect.

It's not coherent with the word of God nor the character of God. It idolizes oneself rather than boasting in the

Lord. It is dangerous because of that. It's dangerous.

You are destroyed, not because of unbelief, but because you have sin and the wage of sin is death.

You are saved because Christ died for you. And no one in hell is in hell that Christ died for.

That's right. We are held responsible to our sin and accountable to such.

We outside of Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit will respond accordingly to those natures and vices, which is that of hating

God and enemies to him. That's right. We are in need of God to work.

And that's just the end of the story. You, Jason said it in the debate,

Ephesians 2, the word dead only means hurting or in pain, not actual neck cross, not actual death.

You are putting up so many hoops and mental gymnastics that you are trying to jump through to deny

God's sovereignty and look at the end of the day, I believe in the sufficiency of scripture and I don't feel the need to make an excuse for what

God has revealed. And God has revealed himself so clearly that we can say that God is sovereign.

And I'm sorry that you don't like that. Amen. Yeah, again, thanks everybody for checking us out.

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