June 16, 2015 ISI Radio Show with Don Holder of Hebron Colony Christian Drug & Alcohol Rehab

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Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, and the rest of humanity on the planet Earth.

Listening via live streaming, this is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron,

wishing you all a happy Tuesday on the 16th day of June 2015, and I

have been waiting to do this interview for a long time and I'm so glad that the Lord has finally given me

the opportunity to conduct this interview.

I've been waiting to do this interview since I entered through the doors of a drug and alcohol

recovery ministry in Boone, North Carolina after suffering,

experiencing a horrible backslidden state of my own after

18 years of sobriety as a born -again believer in Jesus Christ, falling back into

the sin and enslavement of alcoholism.

Thank God I discovered Hebron Colony Ministries in Boone, North Carolina,

and today we are going to be discussing Hebron Colony and their sister

ministry in Santee, South Carolina, Grace Home, and it is my genuine honor

and privilege and delight to have for the very first time on Iron Sharpens Iron my dear old friend

Don Holder, Executive Director of Hebron Colony Ministries and Grace Home.

Thank you for being with us today, Don Holder.

Yes, and I am obviously thrilled that you're here.

First of all, tell our listeners something about what Hebron.

Colony and Grace Home

are.

Yeah, I

guess it

was a

very

wise move

to.

Separate the men's facility and the women's facility far, far apart, wasn't it?

You

know, five hours

is almost

far enough.

I want to

announce immediately in case during the.

Course of an interview I might forget to announce it later, the website for Hebron Colony Ministries is

HebronColony .org, that's H -E -B -R -O -N Colony .org,

and you'll also find out all the needed information about Grace Home, the sister

ministry in Santee, South Carolina, and I want to also announce my email

address for those of you listening who want to ask a question to our

guest today, Don Holder, the Executive Director of Hebron Colony and Grace Home.

My email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, ChrisArnzen

at gmail .com, and this is a live broadcast, so

if you would like a question answered by our guest, please,

as soon as you can, send that email to us at ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I

-S -A -R -N -Z -E -N.

Now, Hebron Colony is one of the oldest facilities of its kind still in

operation in the United States, isn't it?

Tell us something about the fascinating.

History behind this

organization.

In 1940s, he had

a real,

it

was

causing, as

God does

speak to

us, vacated

a

beautiful,

one

of the

most beautiful

places,

really nice spot that they used

to vacate near,

that's come here

too, and

he inquired

about it involving some other

Christians.

10 to 12 acres of land, it would have been

about a

three

-hour trip.

Today, it's quicker.

It wasn't quite as good at that time, and they made their way here and

brought five men with them, struggling with what they understood to be life,

and Hebron

Colony

ministry began

to show

them what he has designed.

That began the ministry of Hebron Colony for men, and then it was a little bit

further down in 1953, about

a mile and a half up, a small gravel road is

located, farm -style

home was built, erected by, you know, volunteer labor, and different people

have been involved,

and

in 1960,

full

-blown

ministry

began.

Amen, and to

show

you how

Romans 828 is.

Still a reality just as much today as it was when Paul penned it, that all things

work together for the good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose, this is actually a

part of the birthing of Hebron Colony was the fact that the founder, Reverend E .A. Dillard,

who was a Presbyterian pastor in Charlotte during what is known as

the modernist controversy, he wanted to remove his congregation out of

the liberal denomination that it was in, the denomination that became liberal, and when they

refused, he left Charlotte, as I understand, to found Hebron, so there you have

something horrible happening, and then turning into something beautiful and wonderful, and something that

is serving a great purpose, a vital.

Purpose,

in this very

day and age,

still

today, and

when I was there as a.

Student at Hebron, if I'm not mistaken, I believe the curriculum that you

were using was still the curriculum that Reverend Dillard had created.

Is it.

Still today?

You know, it's had some addition to it that, you know,

expansionary

is founded

upon.

That's really

a

denomination.

That's okay.

Now, do you

accept

any

governmental financial aid?

Because one of the.

Things that I found to be one of the attractive elements of Hebron Colony is

that you were strictly a biblical and unashamedly Christian and unwaveringly

Christian organization, and many times when when the government gets their hands into things, they have

to bend things a little bit, or a lot, usually a lot, and it winds

up turning from a Christian organization to a very secularized one.

How does Hebron Colony remain in existence?

Well, we don't need any funding from any federal

agency.

Things

will be

added

in to you.

Matthew 6, 33, it's talked about.

Certainly we believe that for this ministry, the things that, as

you well

know, Chris,

as

you've already mentioned,

desires and wills, and any kind of assistance,

any kind of

funding from,

you know,

those kinds

of evangelicals.

It's

certain

that

God should get

past

about

1 .2 million, and like I said, we

see in that,

and

I

mentioned

Churchill

will get, I

guess, 14 in a

small town, and

then we

have

a...

Yeah,

let me

repeat

your

website

again,.

Hebroncolony .org.

This is a really worthy charity for you as an individual who

are listening, or for your church to financially support.

One of the reasons I specifically chose Hebron was not only its Christ

-centeredness, but the fact that I was, when I entered into the program

of Hebron Colony, I was financially destitute.

Alcohol had really destroyed a lot of my

life, including my work ethic, and so on, and

thankfully Hebron Colony was free to enter into the program, other than, at the

time, it was a $300 refundable deposit for pharmaceutical and medical

needs, should they arise.

Has anything changed in that regard?

Oh, that's $300, and any unused portion of that

we offer back to the...

And I

want you to send my personal regards to.

Pastor Larry Young at Brookside Presbyterian Church there in Boone, who was a God -sent

to me also.

It was great to form a friendship with him, and I really valued his visits to me while I

was there in Hebron, and I was the one of about three Yankees

up there, surrounded by rednecks and all kinds of folks.

There were two other Yankees down there, but I don't even

know if I would consider them being a New Yorker, native New Yorker.

I don't know if I could consider Ohio boys real Yankees.

They're closer than South Carolina boys.

And there were all different kinds of accents that I had to get used to, and almost needed a

translation dictionary from rebel to Yankee.

But I developed some wonderful friendships, still remain

in touch with a couple of the guys from down there, and I hope to

rediscover some of them through this radio program, because I unfortunately have lost some of their contact

information, and I would love to start dialoguing with them again.

And I don't know how accurate you can be as far as statistics,

but do you have any in regard to a quote -unquote success rate in regard to

people who have remained sober and off drugs after leaving

Hebron and Grayson?

Before we go

to a break, let me

repeat the email address to send in.

Questions, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

We do have an anonymous question that asks that,

I know that you are a Christian and Bible -based facility, but can those who are

either non -believers, atheists, or members of other religions be

students at Hebron Colony?

And I can personally attest to the fact when I was there that there were a number of men there that were not

genuine repentant believers, so how would you answer that question, Don?

Oh, without question,

it

would

be the 10th

week

event,

which we had for

Jesus Christ

that you

made

while

you were here,

and date

that, and

it is

Jesus

Christ,

but what

men answered by that

way, but they left

here.

We have to break right there, we'll be right.

Back after these messages.

If you have a question for Don Holder, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail

.com.

That's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Don't go away, we'll be right back with Don Holder, Executive Director of Hebron Colony Ministries

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Welcome back, this is.

Chris Zarnes, and if you just tuned in to Iron Sharpens Iron, our guest today is Don Holder, Executive Director of

Hebron Colony Ministries in Boone, North Carolina, and Grace Home in Santee, South Carolina,

which are Christian drug and alcohol recovery ministries, the first for men

and the latter for women, and our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

If you have a question for our guest, ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

We have a question from Tom in West Islip, New York, and

he says,.

Before I ask my question, I would like to extend a huge thank to you for being the hands and feet of Christ in

this world.

Over the last year, I have come to greatly appreciate and understand the challenges

that organizations such as Hebron are up against.

I've seen the dedication and love of those serving in hope of saving persons at risk, who

are in many cases one step away from death.

I am humbled beyond words, for if it weren't for Christ's saving grace through organizations such as yours,

my daughter would likely not be here today.

So again, thank you and God bless.

As for my question, as alluded to in my preamble, my daughter is currently a student at

Teen Challenge.

She has been there for about eight months and has about eight to ten months to go before graduating, God willing.

Her addiction before entering was severe.

She was literally minutes from death.

My wife and I have been praying unceasingly for her recovery, in addition to attending Families Anonymous to

better understand how to live with an addict.

Although we attempt to keep in the day and leave the tomorrows to our Lord,

we can't help but think about when she will one day rejoin the mainstream world.

It is a reality we need to prepare for, but don't necessarily look forward to at this time.

Given the anxiousness surrounding such, what would you recommend to the families and to the recovering addicts to

assist them in the challenges that lie ahead post -graduation?

Are there any best practices or activities that you may be able to recommend?

That is a really excellent group of questions there, Don,.

If you

could.

Yeah,

and

what

began to see

a born -again

believer, a

new

dedicated life, is plug in

their

respect

for one another.

And being

arrested

and also

that he got down

with the Christian

life is not a life

that you

need to encourage

your

daughter

to

do,

given.

I've

heard

of

it,

but I

don't

know

a lot

about

it.

Well, there's, you

know,

they have a

website that gives material and it's

really

a

website.

Information,

the

name, the

number,

they have the

meeting two nights a week, one night a week, it varies.

But, you know, we've recommended Celebrate Recovery.

If you do not have that real foundational,

they can at least

kind of journey, that there's one way

to...

Of

course,

I'm sure you would agree that.

The developing of friendships with godly Christian people who are

committed to local church membership is a very important factor, because

continuing the the life as you left,

the life that you left before you went into rehab, and catching up with your old buddies immediately,

or, you know, even fairly soon after leaving the recovery, could be

devastating and could be suicidal,.

Couldn't it?

Yeah, no,

that God

will

send

our bodies as a living sacrifice to God, that do not

become knowing of your mind,

and I think it's

your vision.

You began to think of...

By the way, Tom,

our listener

in West Islip,

New York,

says Vinnie in.

Massapequa says hello.

Yeah, very good, yes.

And we...

That's Massapequa, Long Island, New York.

And we're going to go to a break, our final break right now, and before we go to the break, I want to read the question

from another listener.

That's actually a two -part question, and you could answer, Don, when we return after the break.

And these are two excellent questions.

Bill from Levittown, New York, asks, I just wanted to know what are the differences between a state

drug rehab and Christian -based rehab, and do you use the

Bible or a 12 -step program?

And we'll have you answer that, or those questions, when we return.

This is our final break, so if you have a question, we're running out of time, so please

email it right away to chrisarnson at gmail .com.

That's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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This is Chris Arnzen, and this is our final quarter hour of Iron Sharpens Iron today, and our guest

is Don Holder, Executive Director of Hebron Colony Ministries in Boone, North Carolina, and

Grace Home in Santee, South Carolina, which are a Christian drug and alcohol recovery ministries, the

first for men and the second for women.

And Don, if you could answer the two -part question of our listener, Bill, in Levittown, New York.

Yeah, I think, Chris, you might want to remind me exactly.

I didn't quite.

Totally get the first part.

He asked, what was the difference between a state rehab facility and a

Christian rehab facility?

The second question was, do you.

Use a 12 -step program, or are you Bible -based?

Well, the

state rehab, I

don't

know, in my

opinion, would be,

in the basic sense of what 12

-step is, that there is

nothing

wrong

with narcotics, admitting that

we're, you know, turning our lives over to God's care.

Those are things they encourage us to do,

but the unfortunate thing, in a second, is that they

identify now, because they encourage, and we are,

okay?

That is the foundational thing.

To identify, I guess,

nothing but the mind,

and

certainly

we, and

the Bible, identify a

Bible center that

the Bible talks

about, this Messiah that God sent

to become the Savior and the Lord, which

gives a scripture that comes to my

mind that is foundational teaching here,

and it's found in, and just

to recite a couple of the verses of it, the

word says,

this divine

power and

godliness, that by

the divine nature, talking

about a godly nature, having escaped the corruption that is in

us, and then he goes on to say, is that the foundation of it,

but add to your

spiritual knowledge and to knowledge temperance, or patience, and

to, you know, self -control, then to godliness, and he says, if these things

abound in you, you will never be, some

beautiful scriptures

that

I've just read,

you shall never fall, any greater

than the power that God,

to bring into, in

order to give them the

bondages, the difference

is that we believe that addiction

begins

with,

and so,

yeah,

the thing

that I

can't help but mention here, because of.

The modern day 12 -step movement, directing people to embrace any god that they

believe in or choose to, or any higher power, that the irrationality of those

that are not based on Jesus Christ, you have step two of the 12 steps, we came to

believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity,

and then the step three is, we made a decision to turn our will and lives over to the care of God

as we understood him.

If you're insane, you're not going to be making, having a right understanding about who God is

and making a decision to follow the right God, if you're insane, as the step clearly identifies,

so.

Well, you

know,

I think,

Chris,

that God

is

only a cannot.

We have our final listener question that we have time for, because we only have less than five minutes left,

we have.

Rick in Somerton, South Carolina asks, what is your greatest

satisfaction and biggest challenge since coming to Hebron?

Well,

servicing

death into

the things

that I've ever

done

in

my life,

that I

have,

and by all the things I

look at my

life like you should too, and

one thing against

you,

one of the most necessary, and

one of

the things

that

I appreciated about Hebron was the difference,.

One of the main differences between the typical 12 -step recovery

groups and Hebron being Bible -based is that I think Hebron is best described really

as a men's discipleship ministry and Grace Home being a women's

discipleship ministry, because the issues of addiction are rarely brought up.

It's really the challenges of unbelievers to repent and believe upon

Christ and for believers who are backslidden to return to their first love.

Isn't that basically the core of what you're doing?

Yeah, no question.

Chris, I would like to say just in the few minutes that we have.

We actually have less than a minute now.

Okay, I was delivered personally by the glorious resurrection power, but I

do know that that is the most necessary thing that can happen in life, is to be

walking in a free life with

Jeeper Man and the whole man.

And I really am honored and I'm so overcome with

more of a feeling of blessing than you could know, brother, that you're on my show, on my program today.

I'm losing words here, I'm mumbling, but I want to thank you so much for being on.

I look forward to having you return to the program, and I want all of our listeners to always remember for the rest of your

lives that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater Savior than you are a sinner.

God bless, we'll see you tomorrow, and don't forget HebronColony .org, HebronColony .org.

Thank you.