Is taking personality tests biblical? Generational curses real? Your testimony is not the Gospel!

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Welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking Podcast. It's Greg and Jason in the studio. How you doing, Jason? Hey, Greg, how's it going?

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Hey, as always, you can smiling at the camera, like being super cheesy for you guys.

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As always, you can follow us on dmwpodcast .com. Check us out online. And then Dead Men Walking Podcast on Instagram.

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We're back on Twitter now that Elon has given us free speech. Instagram, Facebook, Truth Social, everywhere.

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Is it through yet? I don't know if it's going to be through. I don't know. It's not through, but you know, in good faith, I went back on there and we said, we know we hadn't done it for two years as a podcast.

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Okay. And then when he said, look, we're going to support free speech, I said, okay, maybe we won't be canceled immediately.

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Yeah, maybe we won't be shadow banned anymore. It is really funny when you have like 20 ,000, 50 ,000, 100 ,000 views on one thing.

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And then you have like 10 on another. Well, that's what's crazy. What did you see?

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All the reports of the conservatives saying that they've gained all these followers and all the liberal kind of Democrat, progressive leftist losing.

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And it's because they switched the algorithm of like how things are viewed and say, Oh, it's just all padded.

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All the numbers are padded. I really kind of want to know who got, you know, banned or shadow banned or who they were kind of targeting.

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That would be, I mean, I know it was conservatives, but I just wonder specifically if there were specific accounts that were like really being targeted, you know?

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Well, I feel like Jason investor to investor, you should just call Elon on a cell phone and ask him and say, could

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I get that report of the algorithm? That would be nice because you owe me a little bit of money,

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Elon, because Tesla tanked the other day, but I was in puts.

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So hey, guess who won on that one? That's right. This guy called coming out ahead.

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Yeah, that's right. When you buy puts on option calls, hedging the bet means that you win.

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You want it to go down the way I, the way you remember it with options.

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I'll just, I'm just going to give you this little nugget. Give us a little lesson. Okay. Ready? So options you either want to, this, this is the simplistic call options.

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Okay. A call is when you want it to go up. Okay. A put is when you want it to go down.

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So you call somebody up, right? And it don't do this brothers and sisters, but you put somebody down.

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Oh, right. So, uh, yeah, but ain't nobody put me down because Jesus is in my life, baby. But, uh, but yeah, no, no, no.

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That's a, that's a quick lesson on options. Oh man. So yeah. Anyway though, the point of that was we're back on Twitter with absolutely no followers, not over 20, 27.

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Hey, you guys can be, be one of the first 100 go check us out. All of our fans are mad that Elon took it.

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Yeah. They're too smart for Twitter. They're on Instagram. Did you hear, uh, uh,

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Donald Trump was like, I'm not getting back on Twitter. Yeah. It's boring. It's too boring.

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I can't, that was a horrible Donald Trump. Only truth social.

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Yeah. Well, he's got steak and truth social, right? He's got steak in it.

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He like steak and true. Like his Omaha steaks.

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Yeah. He sent Omaha steaks to true. So it's like one in the morning right now. Yeah. I'd love to have a nice juicy steak.

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I know. Right. No, he, he helped create true social. So he's really promoting that.

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Uh, we'll see what happens. Uh, there's a resurgence back to Twitter because it isn't doing so good.

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No, no, I haven't been following you. Kind of tanked a little bit. The whole market's tanking right now though. So yeah, yeah.

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The, uh, the NASDAQ is down about full, close to 3 ,500 points, maybe three, 3 ,000 to 3 ,500.

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So welcome to the Hamlin report. We're doing stock market right now on my mind.

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It's like, uh, let's do it though. At some point we will, we will. But how crazy is it that, uh, we need to understand and know that stuff as Christians.

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Yeah. Like why has the church and Christians just totally just said, Hey, who cares about the stock market finances, savings, mutual bonds, ups and downs, puts calls.

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And we're it's because we're trying to get out of here. We're trying to escape. It's because of that kind of like,

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Hey, we're going to get raptured out of here. So who cares? Like we've totally forsaken the whole building something building and, you know, learning, learning about the finances and how things work and being in control of that economy.

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All of it, all of it, all ways of life. Right. Do you think David as King who conquered multiple adjacent kingdoms to him was like, we need to figure out a way to just get out of here.

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We don't need to build our kingdom. Yeah. Yeah. We don't need to learn about the customs of the other people, the trade routes, the rivers, the roads that we're creating, the armies that we have.

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We should just, we should, we should just hold up here in Israel and get out of here. And just, and just was he building a hide in our closets and not say anything to anyone, you know, is that what the, that's what the disciples, maybe that's what they were supposed to do.

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Right. There were, there were 12 of them, you know, maybe it wasn't supposed to be so much of a hole up in the upper room for the whole time.

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Not go out into the byways. Don't do that. That's just, that's just keep it right here.

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Yeah. Now there's 2 billion Christians across the country from 12 people. But, but you know, like,

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I mean, we're losing, by the way, I don't know if you knew that. Yeah. We're Christians are a bunch of losers.

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If you guys get a chance to watch, go watch our short or, or listen to it last episode. Yeah, man, you know, but it's like,

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Oh my gosh. Have we laid on the sarcasm? Yeah. I'm thinking for the last five minutes.

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I like starting to think about that now. Is that what we need to talk about right now? Let's just do it. That's what I'm thinking. Right. This is a free flowing episode as always.

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Not, not freeing our mind. Christ consciousness. Look at guys.

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All I'm saying is just, um, go get the Enneagram. Yeah. Figure out what number you are.

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Figure out what number you are. Right. If you're an eight, you know, what's up. If you take a personality test on a

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Monday, it's going to be different by Friday, by the way. So, you know, you're yeah.

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Anyway, that's like a country song. It's called Enneagram. He's like, I'm a type one on a

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Monday, Friday night. I'm a nine. Hey man, it, I really, I really think it can happen, but, uh,

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I, I never, I have not honestly looked at that whatsoever.

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I mean, I was never intrigued by it. I don't know. I mean, I, I, Oh, I was totally intrigued.

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Really? I love personality. I love psychology. Okay. Okay. But within the realms of what

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Christianity, what the Bible, what the Bible allows for. Uh, but you, you know, what's crazy is in my wife and I were talking about this, uh, what you do, what people do and Christians do with personality tests is they use it as an excuse as well.

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And they'll use it as the mirror that they measure their personality against. Oh, well, you know, I'm, I responded quickly and tempered to that.

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Well, I'm an, I'm an eight. I must be a seven. I might, it must be a six or I must be a ENTP on the

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Myers Briggs. And it's like, the Bible is our mirror, right? Like we've heard others talk about this.

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Doug Wilson talks about this as well in personality tests. Like if you're using a personality test to hold a mirror up to you and go, that's what

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I should be or measure up to. Well, no, that's what the Bible is for. Like the Bible is sufficient enough to do that.

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And then what also I find is with those personality tests outside of the Enneagram that is based in the cultism and new ageism and all that stuff is you, is you can just kind of slouch back and kind of use it as a crutch for, well, that's just how

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I am. Yeah. Right. When in fact, we're new creatures in Christ. Right. Right. Like, so how do you line up something with says, look at, you were born this way.

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It's in your genetic code. It's not nature or it's not nurture. It's nature. Like this is who you are.

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You're that personality type. And then Christ comes along and goes, oh no, you've been made new in me.

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Right. You're a new creature as a Christian. How do those two things align? Not only that, but then the

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Holy spirit changes and speaks to us and, and not only comforts, but also convicts and shows us how we're supposed to live biblically and righteously and so like, how can

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I fall back into, oh, well, I'm just that. What it was, what I used to be, what I should be or what someone says, you know, you know,

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I, I, I don't, I don't doubt that people should talk to a, a psychologist or someone that might be trained in that.

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A Christian. There's definitely a science to it that got created. Yeah, for sure. But like,

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I think that if you live too much in what you were, you know, if that's all you're about, you know, and you're not finding your identity in Christ, that's where, you know, we fall, you know, that's where we fall short with our personality, personality tests and whatnot, you know, thinking, thinking too much in, you know, and even inner healing or, or some of that Sozo and blockage removal or whatever.

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You know, if, if, if we really did have genes that were passed along, which, you know, you can go into this a lot better than I can, but if we really did have genes from our parents, from our grandparents, well, that's what a

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Hamlin does, you know, like, well, Jason's just going to be this way because that's how his grandparents were.

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There's something to that there. There's, there's something, there's something there, but at the same time, we don't pay for the sins of our forefathers, right?

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Right. So it's, it's like, I think that there's, there's, you know, redemption in, sure, you know, someone, someone being trained up in the way that they should go, you know, and not falling back into the patterns of former, you know, generations, and we're building on something.

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Yeah, we're learning, we're building on something. We're I'm post mill. So that's what

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I believe. Well, I think, I think Christ can break generational curses. And when we say generational curses too, that's a crazy thing because there, and we've talked about it before in the podcast, there's some specific scientific things to where they look at like junk

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DNA and things like that. And they go, Oh, there's these genomes within the DNA strand that kind of hide dormant, but then are passed down to the second, third and fourth generation and then flare up.

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So they've seen like alcoholism, for instance, a propensity towards it, not saying if your father was an alcoholic, you're necessarily going to be an alcoholic.

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They say, Oh, there's a propensity towards that because in that junk DNA, it's carried down from generation to generation.

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And then they might see it flare up between the first and third generation. So it skips a generation and it gets a little more intense, a little more higher in the third generation.

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And then you look at scripture verses that says curses are carried down to the third and fourth generation.

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And you go, so is that some like, like, uh, you know, goblin, witch curse where it's like,

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Oh, I curse you. Right. Or is it a genetic curse? Meaning there are things that have that, that even within the fall of man within our genetics can be carried down to the third and fourth generation.

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But then we hear stories all the time of my father was an alcoholic. My mother was this or that through the grace of God, through being redeemed, that has been broken.

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And you go, okay. So there's a real world example of a nature curse, nature versus nurture being broken, a genetic curse being broken.

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Now I'm not saying genetic curse in the, uh, Bill Johnson, Bethel kind of way, right?

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Like they've been out there because it's very hooby gooby. It's very, it's very like,

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I declare and decree, right? I declare and decree that God will break this curse.

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And it's like, well, maybe breaking that curse is the redemptive, uh, blood of Jesus Christ.

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And maybe that curse is striving towards righteousness and not going into a bar, maybe not going to that liquor store, even though your father and your grandfather did, uh, there there's pragmatic things that can break that curse.

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You know, obviously we believe in, uh, the all redemptive blood of Christ and he breaks those curses, but also there's real world things that are found in the

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Bible, in the law of God, in the way that we should live that breaks those curses as well. You know?

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And I think sometimes like, like, uh, groups like AA, right. And CA like, uh, what does that cocaine, anonymous, alcoholic, anonymous, all those, they glom onto that and go, oh, kind of in a way.

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And they go, well, you can break these by these actions. Yes. You can break certain things, certain, uh, tendencies and patterns by the actions that you choose.

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But I think it's coupled also with obviously the grace of God. I don't know if it's necessarily one or the other.

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I see Paul being knocked off a beast and I see him being blinded, but I also see 14 years of sanctification there before he took his first step towards preaching his ministry, his ministry.

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Right. So you go, yeah, God can do it overnight. Instantly. Absolutely.

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If he chose to, but most of the time there's like a real pragmatic thing that goes with that.

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And I think that goes with like breaking curses and like genetics and you know what I mean? It's like a muddy thing to where like, we want all of one thing or all the other, the atheists will be like, it's all genetics.

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Nothing you can do about it. We're nihilistic. That's just how you're born. The Pentecostal and the super evangelical will be like, oh no, we can declare and decree right this moment.

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It's done. And there's nothing you have to do. We just declare it and decree it. And I go,

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I wonder if it's a little bit of both because God wants to radically renew us, but also wants us to pragmatically learn through working towards that goal.

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Does that make sense? Oh, totally. I just talked for like 22 minutes. No, it's totally fine. No, it's a great, well,

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I even said before you did that, that you knew more about this subject than I did because you've, you've explained this to me before.

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So what are your thoughts on it? You've been through substance abuse just like I have, right? That's no secret. I mean, we were into like depravity and to the utmost, right?

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Exactly. I mean, I just really believe that when

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Christ regenerated me out of apostasy, like there was like,

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I don't want to bring up the word experience. I don't want to talk about my experience as the gospel.

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That is not the gospel. The gospel is Christ, right? Christ crucified, right? But your experiences are valid and real.

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But you know, when it came down to it, what the work that Christ did in my life from the moment before I was regenerated to the time after I was regenerated, that experience was, that could only happen by a true and living

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God. Like a true and living God could only do something like that to someone's life. My wife and I, my wife now at the time was, you know, my girlfriend.

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I had completely changed. You about to testify on this episode. Give it to us.

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Like I completely changed from a pattern of family, you know, generational stuff, you know, that I knew of that.

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I mean, like, you know, hasn't really been spoken of, but, you know, it was a generational pattern, but I got broke of that.

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And I was set free, just like Galatians 5 .1 talks about. I was set free in Christ.

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Like Christ set me free from those things, you know, and it was like, I mean, my life completely changed.

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But yeah, man, it's a very interesting subject to me. And I'd love to get somebody on that, that maybe a clinical psychologist or somebody, you know, that could kind of speak on some, you know, maybe on the medical side, you know, that would be interesting rather than just, you know, have somebody take an enneagram test or a personality test.

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Yeah. Galatians 5 .1 that you're referencing too is, for freedom Christ has set us free, stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery.

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Right. Which I believe we just had a short out about that not too long ago. So go check that out as well.

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But no, you're totally right. Like you can't, so you can't base the gospel on your experiences, but you can also,

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I believe God uses your experience, especially your salvation experience, your testimony to see him through one of those lenses, right?

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I don't want to view God only through my lens of experience because also my heart is deceitful.

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My experience, like my senses can be confused. We have to rely on the word of God. You said that just as much, but at the same time,

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I do believe God's a personal God. And I believe he even saves personally. He will even save you and elect you in a manner that is personal to you to go, wow, that could only be

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God. Yeah. How many times have you heard a testimony where someone says it could only be

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God, just like you said, like, no, I know there's no, I was running or I was doing this, or I was in a situation where I didn't think this would happen.

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And then this happened and I knew it was God. And maybe to some other people go, that doesn't, okay, yeah, that's improbable, but I can see that.

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But that person is convinced of that, right? So the atheist or the pendulet libertarian, or whoever it is that would like to make fun of a faith kind of experience would go, well, that person is just crazy.

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And you go, well, maybe God is so personal that even in salvation, even in regeneration, it's personal for you enough to go, that's radical.

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Right. Does that make sense? And it's not just placebo effect. No, it's not. It's not just like all of a sudden it just happened and, you know, it's just something that happens for a moment and then it's gone, you know?

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Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, yeah. Well, so that, uh, I don't think this is what we were going to talk about at all.

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We were going to talk about this episode, but that's all right. We can keep talking about it. Uh, I mean, let me ask you this since we're on this subject, because I haven't heard the whole thing.

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Like what was one of the defining moments for you? We're going to make this a

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Jason Hamlin interview for this episode. No, I don't like that. What was it?

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So you've talked about it a little bit before, but I want to know what was it for you specifically when you look back on it, that went, that was something that God did in my testimony or in that moment of salvation that couldn't have been a coincidence or just, uh, you know, just happen.

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Like what were some of those things where you went? Yeah, that was good. That had to be

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God. Was it a personality change? Was it a bringing together of a relationship? Was it a situation like Greg, I'm telling you that entire moment.

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Yeah. I really have had a hard time explaining it to anyone because it sounds so just, it sounds radical, you know, it sounds like, but I mean, any believer out there would understand, you know what

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I'm saying? Like, as I share my testimony with an unbeliever, um, and just tell it like, you know, they're just like,

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I remember, you know, a few years ago, you know, we're at the, at the bar, like shot, shot, shot, shot, shot.

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Oh yeah. That's right. You know, I remember, you know, but, but anyway, you know, it's, it's like literally man, like depression around that time, it was depression.

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Okay. It was just crazy. It was crazy. You know, I mean, like did not like my job, did not like my life, wanted to move away.

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You know, like Mandy and I were fighting. I, we weren't together at that moment. Um, you know, off and on always, you know, back and forth.

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And then one night I'm drinking again, you know, watching a, watching, uh, uh, uh, what's that movie called?

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It's a Christian movie. Anyway, I'm, I'm watching this Christian movie and all of us, all of a sudden like lethal weapon.

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Yeah. Yeah. Right. He gets justice in the end. That's a Christian movie, isn't it? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right.

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Um, uh, no, I think it was finding Nemo, but, um, but anyway, yeah, I literally, uh, things just shifted and changed, but you know, it shifted and changed to me watching

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Todd white for 12 hours a day, 15 hours a day. Right. Wait, wait, expound on that.

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What do you mean? I was watching sermon after sermon after sermon, like all of a sudden, all of a sudden.

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So I was, yeah. All of a sudden I just wanted to hear scripture read or, or a sermon.

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Okay. So I was like, I'm just going to choose one person. I'm going to choose one person. I'm just going to listen to them all the time.

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I got on YouTube. The first thing that came up, which is really funny was, was a certain, like,

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I was not searching sermons by Todd white at the time whatsoever. I wasn't searching sermons. It just came up and you were like, came up in the

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YouTube feed and it was Todd white. I was like, cool. I just, you know, clicked on it and I started watching.

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And then I just went, you know, video after video, after video, after video, I was sleeping four hours a night. I was watching

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Todd white. I was falling asleep to Todd white talk. Right. Like on my phone,

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I had him playing like 20, 24 hours a day. But, but I mean, it wasn't just Todd white.

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Maybe I should rephrase this. I was reading scripture like crazy as well.

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Like I was reading scripture as well. And then I would go, I know, they're all like, oh my gosh,

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I can't believe, but that was pre, um, uh, reform days when, you know,

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I mean, God used an ass in the old Testament. Yeah. Right. He can use Todd white.

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Yeah, exactly. But yeah, man, I mean, that, that was it. I mean, it was completely changed. And then all of a sudden, uh,

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Mandy and I were back together. We were, you know, two weeks after she's just like, I sent her a sermon and she's like, what, what is, what is this?

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You know, you haven't changed. And then three months later we were engaged, you know, uh, five, six months later we were married and it's like, you know, whatever, like within, within six months of that moment we were married.

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So that's my point though. So like, do you think someone who like you, who had a very long history of being on tour in bars, doing what you want when you want, how can you, how, how can your personality and your thought process just be flipped to, oh, now all

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I want to do is consume. Uh, sermons about the word of God for the next, you know, read my

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Bible and my Bible. I mean, that's the heart of stone to heart of flesh, right? Yeah.

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And it was, I mean, it was, it was mine. Mine was instantaneous. How was yours?

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Was yours, was yours instantaneous? Like, I mean, I'm literally, I'm, I'm literally talking like moment to moment.

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It was like, mine was like, yeah, it was quick. Mine was, I love that as testimony night tonight.

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All right. That's what the episode is. Uh, I mean, I've talked about it before, but I'll give a very short version, but it was, it was instantaneous in the fact that it was a very

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Jonah story. I felt like, like I kind of knew God and I was running from him and I thought

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I could very well outrun him. Like I had the narcissism and kind of just going,

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I think I can outrun him. I think I just keep doing what I want to do. And then everything overnight was taken away, like within 24 hours, no job, no girlfriend of five years.

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That's not my wife, by the way. Uh, no license, no band, no place to live, no money, no prospects.

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And, uh, I was laying on a mattress in Detroit in a loft and I was crying out and I go,

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I think I still have Christ though. Like that was, I remember like literally I'm sobbing and I'm going, but do

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I have, and I was doubtful, but I was like, I think I do. I think I still, even though I've persecuted him and, and sinned against him and blasphemed his name and made fun of him in front of my friends and, you know, in the band and everything else,

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I think I still, I think Christ still loves me. Yeah. I think. And, uh, the next morning

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I got up and it was, it was a different morning. It was, I was depressed. I was sad and I was upset, but, but, but in that I was also like hopeful and happy.

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And like, I understood, like there was a weird, unexplainable joy. Now I look back at that and I think that's my true conversion.

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Yeah. Even though I said the sinner's prayer at seven, we've talked about it before. Uh, and from there it was an intense three years of, uh, of the

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Lord just really refining me being by myself, shutting all friends.

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I mean, I didn't talk to people that I'd talked to, you know, I just, no, I can't, I can't even be around you.

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Can't go out. Can't even meet you for coffee. It was just me and the Lord living back at home for almost three years.

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Wow. About two and a half years. And it was a, for me, it was a really refining process of like understanding who

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God is, like getting into the word, the scripture. So the, so the change was instantaneous, but I look at that like kind of sanctification was a little bit of, right.

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And there was bumps along the way. Don't get me wrong. It wasn't like, oh, he's a saint. Yeah, for sure.

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And that, that's not what I was like, but yeah, let's get real. Yeah. Yeah. Like there was stuff where it was like, there was still temptation.

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There was still slips. There was still like, is God, there was doubt. Yeah. Right. Like anyone listening right now, like, don't think that when, when you have regeneration and you have been saved that there's, oh,

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I have no doubt. Right. Oh, I'm 100%. I can believe anything's going to happen.

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John Knox said that like, even like every believer has and John Kelvin to every believer has doubt from time to time.

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I heard a really good sermon on this with John MacArthur talking about, yeah, there's a difference between assurance, understanding and knowing what we have, and then still having doubt, like even the best of us have doubt.

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Lord, we're look at David. Lord, where are you? Right. Do you love my soul? Right. Do am

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I part of your kingdom? Like he would ask these questions. I'll still praise you though, even if, and I think that's the real,

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I mean, that was for me too. Like I still had those moments. Um, but I think for people probably like us,

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I think that's why we, we, uh, get along so well. And I think we have a kindred spirit is like, it takes a drastic measure.

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Yeah. There's someone like us that just heads in one direction and goes, I'm doing it. Right. I'm loving it. I'm doing it.

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I'm for it. Like, I mean, you were very successful in your band. You were doing your thing, like, right. Everything you did in the world, you did it a hundred percent.

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It was, I mean, dude, I was, I was working at Ford around that time. And, uh, yeah,

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I mean, I, it was like, I mean, when you talk about using

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Romans, well, Romans six, I was using it in the opposite sense to where like,

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I was thinking grace abounded in everything, you know? And it was like, yeah, what am

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I doing? You know, I was starting to get into the deconstruction movement a little bit, like trying to learn a little bit more, but I didn't know that's what it was called.

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I was just like, you know, but, uh, but yeah, man, I mean, I mean, my, my, my desire completely changed.

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My desires completely changed and it was all, it was literally all about Christ, you know?

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And not to say, like you said, my sanctification process was still going on, but it was just, you know, it was just my, my desires had just changed what

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I wanted, you know, family and, and, uh, just what God wanted out of my life, you know?

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But, uh, but yeah. Yeah. It was weird for me too, because it was like, uh, I had that thing of, uh, if we're going to do it, let's do it twice as much as anyone else.

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So if it was drugs or drinking or any type of immorality, it was like, oh, well, you know, this cocaine, you can only take two bumps.

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Well, let's do four. Let's double whatever anyone, this many pills. Oh yeah. Let's do 15.

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If you think you can only do five. Wow. And it was like this weird thing, but that wasn't everything in speech.

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Oh, well, normally you should only talk like this around people. Oh yeah. I'm gonna take it to this level. So it was like this weird thing of rebel, not weird, but it was depravity.

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It was like this rebellion for me towards like, how far can we push it to go? I'm only supposed to do this or allowed to do this.

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Well, let's do it twice as much in the depravity. So for me, it was, it was also just such a relief of, oh, all that, all those things you're trying to prove or do or strive towards.

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Yeah. I had to deal with the shame of that, believe me. And that shame was taken away by the blood of Christ through repentance.

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And believe me, I repented, you know, you had a thought I was a Catholic for the first two months. I repented five times a day.

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You know what I'm saying? Because of the shame I felt, but that was, that was taken away. But there was a true you know, convergence of like,

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I, yeah, I, I feel this way and I think I'm this way, but also crisis made me new.

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And then you went, okay, what do I do? They come to a head and this kind of gets back onto some shorts.

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We've always talked about, about personality tests and everything. It's like, but I feel like I'm naturally this way, but Christ has now made me this way.

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And that was the exciting part for me to where he actually took away some of those things that I thought,

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Oh, well, I'm good at this in the world. Right. I'm good at this as a depraved person. I should do that for Christ.

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He was like, Oh no, I don't want you to do that. What those things you put on the altar, I don't give them back to you.

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Now you got to do this. And that was like a really weird and exciting time for me too, of going,

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Oh, I'm not set in these things when I've been in new men, made a new creature in Christ. Yeah.

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You know, no, that's awesome, man. I love that. I don't know. I mean, like I, I think a lot of times, uh, you know, whenever we hear the word experience though, that like kind of, kind of lately,

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I think it kind of like hinders some, you know, at a certain, at a certain level, you know, when he, when he has the experience, we're not that, like I said earlier, it, the experience is, uh, is very important for our testimony to share that.

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But remember that the gospel is not, uh, our, our experience or our testimony.

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Right. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of been tainted. Right. Because like experience is everything.

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Right. Right. Like how I feel it's the Gnostic, you know, right. Like, yeah, but we see experiences throughout the

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Bible, right. We can't totally discount them. Right. Right. We have to, you know, Paul had an experience.

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Jonah had an experience. Abraham had an experience. It's part of the story, but it's not the gospel. Like you're saying, like you've said twice now.

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And I think that's the takeaway off of this one. Um, I know we started this episode with what we thought we were going to talk about.

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And now we've talked about something totally different. Right. But it's all good. What you said is so true.

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It's like, yeah, experiences are real. They exist. They're valid. Right. But it's not the gospel.

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Right. But remember, remember when, when you're witnessing to others, just, you know, make sure you talk about the scriptures and talk about Christ.

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But, uh, yeah, more, more than your, your, your experience and, and what happened to you, you know, maybe,

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I don't know. I don't know. I, I, that's something that I've, I've definitely, uh, tried to, you know, shape up whenever I'm witnessing, you know, it's not all about me.

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Like, it's not about me. It's about Christ. You know, like I want people to know Christ. I don't want people to know me, like, forget about me.

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Like, I mean, literally they're in trouble, you know? Yeah, man. It's like, you know, like if I, if I, um, uh, passed out tomorrow and, and headed on home and, uh, you know,

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I would, I would miss everyone for sure. But, uh, and some would remember me, but some might not, you know, but it's like, remember

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Christ. I can't even remember the quote now, but, uh, forget me. Remember Christ.

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That's the, there you go right there. I think that's how we should wrap this one up. Okay. Forget me. Remember Christ.

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That's right. Amen. Guys. Thanks so much for listening to another episode of dead men, walking podcasts as always. You can find us on dmwpodcast .com

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Jason. Love you, brother. I love you. Was that a sniff of satisfaction?

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I'm selling the peanut butter. Somebody had some peanut butter on this mic. No one had peanut butter. Was it me on this?

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I had peanut butter and jelly earlier. You sir have issues guys as always.

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