MSL: March 13, 2024

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All right.

So today, not a big deal here, but today I went and did a little bit of

shopping.

Okay.

So I just get a little bit of food.

Nothing big.

And so I went to this one store.

And I come around the corner driving in.

Around the corner.

And there's a guy standing there with a cross.

It must have been a seven, eight -foot cross.

And he's standing there.

There's people next to him.

So I go, I'm going to check this out.

He's on the street corner.

And so I go, I pull around and park and then walk over to

the corner where he is.

And oh, man, this guy, he just loved the Lord.

He's been walking all over.

He'd been doing stuff.

And God provides.

And he was just full of joy just talking about Jesus and how Jesus is the one who

needs to be exalted.

Got to exalt Jesus.

So, okay.

Rumble's not working.

I'll check on that a little bit.

Okay.

And also I've got to get this setting here, too.

So, anyway, it was really good.

And it was really nice to see and to talk to someone

who loved the Lord and was willing to risk so much to get out there

and, you know, just serve the Lord Jesus Christ.

So there was this woman and she said that she had stopped by and was talking to

him, too, but she was not with him and she had a couple of kids.

And so they were supporting him, too.

And so we all got talking.

And she said she loves the Lord and she goes, there's one church.

I said, wow, what church is it?

And she gave me the name of this church.

And now I remembered.

I go, oh, I emailed them.

It's a church in Boise.

She said she loves that church.

It's a great church.

She drives 20 miles just to get there every Sunday.

She thinks it's great.

She's awesome.

She looks forward to it.

And I said, do they have women pastors and elders there?

Oh, yeah, they have a pastor so -and -.

So, she blah, blah, blah.

And so, you know, because I had actually emailed that church about that.

If I remember correctly, I believe it was that church.

I'm pretty sure.

And I said, so, you know, in the email, I'm interested in talking to you about this.

The Bible says give an answer, and I'm asking you about this.

Why do you have women pastors?

And so the Bible certainly seems to put the kibosh on that.

So I haven't heard back, or I haven't checked to see if they've emailed me back.

I need to do.

They did email me, though.

I will say this.

They emailed me, and it's, you know, a standard thank you very much, and we'll get back to you.

And I haven't checked since, but I'll check.

And so I said to her, I said, you know that women pastors and elders are not biblical.

I'm trying to be nice, you know.

I mean, I'm just a stranger.

She's out there praising God, and she's looking at me.

I says, oh, yeah.

I said, look.

And I said, here are the verses, and I quote her some stuff.

And I said, no.

I emailed them asking for, you know, a discussion on

why they do this.

And I do that with churches every now and then.

I say, why do you do this when the Bible says this and this and that and that?

And in fact, I'm checking right now to see if, yeah, let's see if

I'll look.

Yeah, I got some stuff.

But there's nothing from them back, which is often the case.

So I can do a research.

I can search all my emails.

I have a program that allows me to do that very quickly.

And it's very often the case that a church won't email me back.

They won't respond.

And I find it really interesting because I'll ask them a question, biblically based.

Can you please give me an answer according to the scripture?

And they don't contact me.

They don't write back.

It happens like 80 % of the time.

And I think it's because they don't want to deal with what the Word of God actually says.

I told this lady that 80 of the churches and denominations that adopt women pastors and elders

within two generations, they start approving of homosexuality and stuff.

She's looking at me.

I said, yes, it's really high percentage.

And I said, because they're not taking that area of scripture seriously.

So, you know, I gave her my card, and she thought that was interesting.

But the light changed.

They were waiting a few cycles of light, and they had to go across the street.

I said, okay, well, nice talking to you.

It was really good.

It was all smiles.

So I go into the store, and I get some stuff, and I've got to get out of there, because I've

got so much to do all the time.

So I hustle.

Not too fast, but, you know, I get it done.

And I go into the self -checkout line, and there's a guy there, and he's working there, and he's checking everything, and we

get talking.

I don't know how we got talking about this, but we got talking about the Lord, and he goes to a local church.

And I asked, you know, I was just out there talking, you know, on the street, out here about this and that.

And I said, talk about women pastors.

And I said, does your church have one?

He goes, oh, yeah.

So here I am again.

I said, well, you know, this is what the scriptures teach.

I gave him my card, and he goes, Karm?

He goes, oh, I like that site.

So I said, well, praise God.

He goes, yeah, I've been there a while.

I'm going to have to go back.

And I said, well, there you go.

And so it was nice.

It was a nice conversation.

But it's really irking me.

It irks me.

Thou shalt not be irked.

You know, I almost want to say, but I'm irked.

Why is it that so many churches and denominations affirm that which is against Scripture?

It's just against Scripture.

So I'm going to do this like I always do.

After all these decades, I've been doing radio now, I think, 23 years.

So I'm offering to do a formal debate in person, let's

just say, at your church.

And we'll debate, does the Bible support women pastors and elders?

That's the topic.

It narrows it down to Scripture, which is where we need to go.

So I have been offering this debate challenge for 20 years.

Not a single person, not a single church has ever accepted the challenge.

Not one.

Now, why is that?

Why is it?

Oh, maybe because they know I'll go straight to God's word.

And they know that the verses say this and that, and they don't want to face it.

Because they'd rather hold their finger up in the doctrinal wind of secularism and see what popular stuff

is around so they can adopt that and go that way.

Is that why?

That's what I think.

So, as Stephen says, I probably irk them with the question.

So I guess you could call me an irker.

I irk people.

I cause them to become irked.

And that'd be fun to have a t -shirt like that.

I irk dust.

How does it do?

I irketh thee?

I don't know.

So we'll see.

At any rate, there you go.

It's just one of my days, one of my average days.

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Let's get to Jamal from North Carolina.

Jamal, welcome.

You're on the air.

Appreciate you taking my call, sir.

No problem, man.

What do you got?

Cool.

I wanted to ask about, I think that's Jeremiah 10, where it's talking about

cutting down a tree and adorning it with gold and silver.

I got into a conversation with a friend of mine who was using

that passage to say that we should not worship.

We should not celebrate Christmas.

And after listening to you a while ago, and you're saying that, you know, we don't

worship any tree and we're not celebrating any kind of, I think

you said not celebrating any kind of pagan rituals.

We're just celebrating the birthday of Christmas, of Christ.

But he continued to say, no, look, clearly he says, right, he cut down a

tree and adorned it with all silver and gold.

That's going against Christmas.

So I said, okay, fine.

I'll go to the common denominator, denominator, excuse me, go to the Bible and Netflix and

see what you have to say about that.

So does Jeremiah 10 forbid Christmas trees?

Well, no, it doesn't.

And the reason it does not is because the context here is idolatry.

Because notice what he says, thus says the Lord, do not learn the way of the nations and do not be

terrified by the signs of the.

Heavens.

Although the nations, there we go.

Nations are terrified by them for the customs of the peoples are delusion because it is wood cut from the

forest.

It work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool.

They decorate it with silver and gold.

They fasten it with nails and hammers so that it will not totter like a scarecrow on a cucumber

field.

They are, are they, they cannot speak.

They must be carried because they cannot walk.

Do not fear them for they can do no harm.

No, are they, nor can they do any good.

So what this is obviously talking about is using this thing of a tree in

idol worship and pagan worship.

That's what's going on.

And it's not talking about that or excuse me, it's not what it is when we have a Christmas tree, a Christmas tree just as

it's a tree, you know, but presence underneath that people come around, we celebrate that traditional date of the birth of Christ.

And that's all it is.

That's what the difference is.

We're not using it as an object of worship or adoration or in a church service.

And we don't do those things with gold and silver and bow down.

And, and, you know, and when, when God says, don't worry, it doesn't speak.

It can't do anything.

Well, why would it say that?

Because it's an idol.

That's what that is.

And it's not an idol to us.

Hold on.

Sorry about that.

Furthermore, first Corinthians.

In first Corinthians 10, there's something really important.

I would ask that guy.

I said, well, let's just say that you're a missionary in a foreign country and a lot of.

Pagans.

And upon this one Hill is a pagan temple.

And they sacrifice animals that are pagan gods.

And then you go down in the marketplace and you can buy the meat sacrifice to those pagan gods.

Can you buy that meat and eat it?

If he says no, well, then he needs to familiarize himself with first Corinthians 10,

where it says, yeah, you can eat that meat because those demonic forces really are not any true gods or anything.

And it's not going to hurt you.

So what?

Wait a minute.

How can we eat meat sacrifice to idols?

Well, we're not to do it.

If it stumbles somebody else, but it's not going to hurt you. Paul says.

So there's something very specific.

This was used in their idolatry services.

And yet we can buy that meat and eat it.

So I would ask him in light of first Corinthians 10, and you go to Jeremiah 10 with the tree.

Now are the people who have trees in their homes, are they worshiping them?

No.

Sacrificing the idols.

No.

Well, then it's not a problem.

Have you got a break?

So hold on, man.

Okay.

We'll be right back.

And then comment after that.

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Welcome back to the show.

Let's get back on the air with.

Oh man,.

We have not confused.

Let's see.

Maybe he's gone.

No, it's right.

There he is.

Thanks a lot.

The producer came to my rescue.

Hey, Jamal, it's right there.

I can see it.

Yeah.

I'm looking at all this stuff.

Hey, thanks Keith.

Okay.

All right, man.

What do you got?

We were talking about Christmas and Jeremiah 10.

Right.

And then you were kind of wrapping up with, I'm sorry.

Yeah, that's right.

And so I gave an explanation there.

And so we're free to use that.

You don't have to, if you don't want to, but he doesn't have the right to say that it's sinful for you.

Because it's not an idolatrous thing, which is what the context of Jeremiah 10 is.

Okay.

Right.

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He is going to look at some specifics because,.

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He can be pretty detailed.

So what can I point to specifically that would say that.

That chapter is saying that.

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Jeremiah 10, two through five,.

Just read it,.

Study it. And you'll see what it says.

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Hammers.

So it won't totter like a scarecrow.

He says they must be carried because they cannot walk.

Do not fear them.

They can do no harm.

No, can they, they can do no harm.

Can they do any good?

So why would you fear a tree?

It's because they represent the pagan idolatry that's going on.

That's what's going on there.

And you ask them, or is that what's happening when you have a tree in your house?

See,.

The cross was invented by the Phoenicians.

And then the Romans borrowed it, copied it as a means of execution.

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The pagans are the ones who invented it.

The pagans are the ones who used it to enforce their pagan rules.

So ask him, why are you, do you have a cross in your house?

Do you have a, do you wear a cross?

Do you promote the cross?

Because that's a right in origin symbol.

And there's a thing called the genetic fallacy.

My neighbor next door is an atheist.

He taught me algebra.

So therefore algebra is false.

It's called the genetic fallacy.

It's a fallacy of logic.

The source of something doesn't mean that it is by nature bad.

So if,.

If the decoration of the trees was done by pagans, does that mean we can't decorate a tree?

I'm sorry,.

You decorate any tree to pagan.

What if you have a tree in your backyard and you're having a, a party,.

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Barbecue at night and you put lights up in the tree, make it look cool.

I'm sorry,.

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You're pagan.

Right.

So how far are you going to take this?

Okay.

And that's the whole point.

And you go to first Corinthians 10 talks about meat sacrifice to idols.

And so you can eat the meat sacrifice to idols.

But what I normally do with people, I don't tell them about that.

I say,.

If you were a missionary and you know, temple up there and pagan,.

This,.

Would you eat the meat sacrifice?

I don't,.

Would you buy it and eat it?

They go,.

Of course not.

Then you'd hit them with first Corinthians 10 where it says you can.

And that's a first Corinthians 10 25 through roughly a 30.

Okay.

So there's another thing we're under the new covenant.

We're no longer under the law.

Now the only real laws that are reiterated in the new Testament are nine

of the 10 commandments.

And the 10th the one commandment that's not reiterated is the Sabbath because Jesus

is.

Our Sabbath.

So I have an article on this on Karm.

So we're not under the law.

We've died from, we've died in Christ.

Romans 6,.

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So we've died with Christ.

And those who have died are no longer under the law.

That's Romans 7, 1 through 4.

So are we obligated to follow this aspect of the law of Jeremiah?

It's just a theological question you can ask him.

And then again, you go to 1 Corinthians 10 and so, you know, with all of that, that should be

a good response for him.

And if he disagrees, have him call me on the show.

I would, I would love to, uh, that he would do that, uh, cause you know,

he's more of a kind of a, I don't say low level, but more as a, I guess, person to person,

a debater.

He wouldn't want to call a big radio show and have a big audience

and go back and forth.

Uh, you know, that kind of a scenario, I wouldn't think, uh, but I can, I can always ask.

And, uh, uh, if you get a call from him, that means he accepted.

Um, but, uh, I wouldn't hold my breath though.

You know, looking at the chat text and humbled clay says, strip the tree, stick it to a

pig and roast it.

And well, it's a good, it's a funny comment, but you know, could you do that?

Well, yeah, but the Bible says, don't eat pig and pork in the old Testament.

So does he eat pork?

There's a lot of things about this that we could ask questions.

See, we're free.

If you want to have a tree in your house, have a tree.

You don't want to have a tree.

Don't have a tree.

As long as you're not using it for worship or adoration or any object for that, you shouldn't.

Do that.

Well then what's the big deal?

Okay.

Simple.

Yes, sir.

And, um, I have some other questions, but I'll call back and get back in line.

Sounds good, man.

Okay.

Sounds good, brother.

God bless.

All right.

God bless.

God bless.

Well, that was Jamal from North Carolina.

Let's get to Tom from Raleigh, North Carolina.

Uh, Tom, welcome.

You're on the air.

Hi, Matt.

Uh, question.

Uh, sorry.

I may have to run out of here in about five minutes to drive my daughter to volleyball, but I, I needed to ask you

about, uh, the Nephilim.

And the Nephilim are referenced in Genesis chapter six and the sons of God went into the daughters of men

and they produced offspring.

Um, my question is this, is it possible that the Neanderthals are actually the Nephilim

of the Bible?

Well, I want to say, uh, no, um,

Neanderthals have a larger brain capacity.

Uh, then, uh, then homo sapien sapien.

Furthermore, there was a test done where people took computers and they took

pictures of people from different ages and use the computers to figure out how to age them.

So they use it in detective work, police work.

This is what the so -and -so might not, might look like by now.

Well, someone said, what happens if you take them two, three, four, 500, 600 years in the.

Future?

And guess what?

They looked like Neanderthals.

That was a, they went, Oh my goodness.

Well, that would support the idea of people living a long time.

So what the, it's not the Neanderthals, but, um, I believe the Neanderthals were just humans and, uh, and stuff like

that.

And I studied science too, but at any rate, so, uh, the Nephilim are the half breeds and they were giants.

So, um, they were the ones who, yeah, let's just say they're the offspring between fallen

angels and women.

And the flood came and destroyed them.

And some people think that they might be, what are demons because there's fallen angels and there's demons and demons

always want to be inhabiting a body of some sort.

So the theory is just a theory that it might be, uh, someone else.

All right, well, let me ask you this then, um, for the dinosaurs, since we don't find DNA

in dinosaur fossils, but we do find DNA in mammoths, for example, is it possible that the

dinosaurs were in a pre -existence before God covered the water of the earth with water.

And recreated it?

Hold on, we've got a break and then we'll get back and I'll show you where dinosaurs are in the Bible.

Okay.

So hold on a minute.

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Welcome back to the show.

Let's get back on the air with Thomas, who's my trustee.

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Hey, I'm here.

Um, all right, man.

You're back on the air, buddy.

All right.

So great.

Yeah.

Mm hmm.

Dinosaurs in the Bible.

Yes.

What you want to do is go to Job 40 and 41.

You can read them on your own.

But in Job 40, 15 through 24, behold now the strength of

behemoth, the power in his muscles.

He bends his tail like a cedar.

The sinews of his thighs are knit together.

His bones are tubes of bronze.

His limbs are like bars of iron.

He's the first of the ways of God.

Uh, you know, let his maker, let, let his maker bring near his sword.

Surely the mountains bring him food and all the beasts of the field play there under the lotus plants.

He lies down.

Uh, he converts the reeds of the marsh.

Anyway, uh, the lotus plant covers him and, uh, when the river rages, he's not alarmed.

Uh, and it goes on.

So that's a, it looks, it says with barbs, can anyone pierce his nose?

Can he be caught when he's on watch?

So there's describing something humongous and ferocious.

Now some say it might be an elephant or a hippopotamus, but it talks about the power of his muscles of his

belly and his tails like a cedar tree, which is huge.

So it's not fitting that.

And then there's a water -based and Job 41 and it says things

like who can strip off his outer armor, who can come within his double male, you know, those male that

the, the nights that would wear, you know, those chain stuff who can open the doors of his face

around his teeth.

There is terror.

Uh, he sneezes, flash forth light.

So this is one of the theories about this creature was able to, uh, put fire forward.

And that's where dragons come from.

When people say that's just myth, well, there's a beetle, a bombardier beetle that can actually produce fire out of its

rear.

There's two chemicals.

And when they mix, it flashes, it explodes.

It's a defense mechanism.

Well, so it does exist in nature.

It goes out of his mouth, go burning torches, sparks of fire leap forth out of his nostrils smoke goes forth as from a boiling

pot and burning rushes.

And it goes forth.

Okay.

Uh, his by, because of the crashing people are bewildered when he raises himself up, the sword

that reaches him cannot avail nor the spear, the dart or the javelin.

He regards iron as straw bronze as rotten wood and it goes on.

So what the heck are these things?

Yeah.

So furthermore, just so you know, there's a, the dating method in science

is, is different.

Now people have heard about carbon dating, but it only goes back to about a hundred thousand years and they're finding

carbon inside of coal shales and diamonds, which there should be

no carbon 14 cause it has a half life of 5 ,370 years.

I think it is.

So that for 93 ,000 years, I'm aware of that.

Okay.

I've heard those same reports.

Right.

Well, here's the thing is that they're finding poly straight fossils, which are trees, uh, fossilized

through 600 million years of, of rock layers.

Oops.

You find a cave drawings of dinosaurs and there's been tribes out in

jungles.

I think of Africa that when somebody showed them some pictures of dinosaurs, they point out in the jungle.

All of them point in the same direction, making, you know, pointing out there.

So I don't believe that they are a simultaneous, I mean, I don't believe that they were separated by

millions of years.

I don't buy that.

And then we have a dating methods of rock strata, you know, the potassium are gone and then there's

another one and they get, they get millions of millions and millions and millions of years of difference of, of

readings.

So this is not that accurate.

I'm just saying, you know, okay.

So in that case, I've been to, um, answers in Genesis, uh,

creation museum and arc encounter and they teach that dinosaurs were on the arc

with Noah.

I mean, is that something that we should go along with as Christians?

What do you think?

Sure.

Why not?

I don't have any problem with that.

You could hit the reptiles and they're cold blooded most probably.

And so they would be dormant largely.

And the, I've written an article about the size of the arc and how many animals it could

hold at the average animal was a size of a sheep.

And it's immense.

It's a humongous amount.

There are all kinds of issues here and I don't have any problem with dinosaurs being on an.

Arc.

You could have small ones.

What's, what's the problem with that?

And they sleep and are fed and stuff like that.

And then they're released.

No problem.

Most people don't know this, but 98 % of all species have ever lived or now extinct.

I remember reading an article once that up in dinosaurs, there's like 40 or 60 species and that's all,

it's all.

And so what the heck?

And then there's what's called the Cambrian explosion, which is about a 520 million years ago, plus or minus

10 years span.

And the Cambrian explosion deals with 40 body types that suddenly appear

at the beginning of the Cambrian explosion, not during a 15 million year period of

rock, of evolutionary development, but at the beginning, how do you have 40

different body types suddenly appear in a rock strata according to evolution?

That's a problem.

And they don't have an answer.

But if it was a flood and everything was layered and that's why, then it wouldn't be a problem.

Okay.

Yeah.

There's lots to this.

Yeah. Yeah.

I've read that also.

Good.

All right.

Well, that's all my questions.

I'm a little surprised about the Nephilim, your answer on that, but I'll accept it.

And maybe one day we'll understand why the Neanderthals were so different than the

humans.

Still human yet very different.

No, they were very, very, very, very similar.

And you can have in present genetics, you can have all kinds of sizes of people, brain

capacities of people, shapes of heads.

So another thing is, guess how many pool tables it would take?

I read this like 30 years ago.

Guess how many pool tables it would take to put all the human ancestor fossils?

Just lay them all out.

And at the time it was two.

So there's not a whole bunch of evidence.

I've heard that they would all fit in the bed of one pickup truck is what I've read.

Yes. Yep.

Uh -huh.

I'm being generous with two.

And so there are problems.

What they do is they produce all kinds of stuff on evolutionary theory based on a

tooth, like a pig's tooth, which turned out to be false.

They have Homo habilis, they have Homo efferensis, they have Australopithecines,

Theanthropus dasoni, they have all these hominid ancestor lines.

But the problem here is ultimately is information transmission and development.

Because genetics, deoxyribonucleic acid, which is formed from four nucleotide bond pairs,

adenine, thiamine, guanine, and cytosine.

These things form in the helix, the sugar phosphate helix of the

DNA molecule, and they form information bonds.

But these things are so incredibly complex that to have them match inside...

I guess I'm going on back there.

I'm going to mute yourself.

Okay.

I mean, people just panicked listening on the radio while they're driving.

So the mathematics of information formation and transference genetically to alterations of new

phyla is basically mathematically impossible given the conditions that have been present and the time

durations.

So there's a lot of evidence against evolution, but it's not taught because the leftists are

in control of information.

And that's a serious thing.

But anyway, that's another topic.

Okay?

I totally agree with you that they suppress it.

I do not believe in evolution.

I was raised believing it in public school, and I completely reject it now.

Yeah. Yeah.

Micro works, but it's a reduction of the gene pool through predation and environmental pressures,

not an increase in genetic information, which is macroevolution.

And genetic information has to be then modified, and it has to be transmitted upon

a gene pool.

So the species, if you have thousands and thousands and thousands of breeding pairs of something, then the

genetics has to gradually overtake all of it in many different environments.

And the time that it takes for this kind of a thing to occur, I read another article about this,

that mathematically it's possible, but the universe has to be 200 billion years old.

There's so many problems.

Anyway.

Okay, buddy.

We'll get going.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

All right, Tom.

All right, man.

God bless.

Goodbye.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah, I could talk about that.

I love that stuff.

Let's get to Luke from Washington, D .C.

Luke, welcome.

You're on the air.

Hi, Matt. How are you?

Doing all right, man.

Hanging in there.

What do you got?

Hey, question.

Did Jesus have a fallen human nature?

No, he did not.

He did not have original sin out of Romans 5 .19, that through the transgression of the

one, the many were made sinners.

But this is due to the issue of federal headship, that the

male, not the female, represents a descendants.

And so Christ did not fall into the genetic line of male

descendancy because he was only born of the Virgin Mary and not in the genetic

line of the father, Joseph.

So therefore, he did not have a sin nature and he did not have a fallen nature.

So there you go.

Okay.

All right, man.

We got a break.

Hold on.

We got a break.

Okay.

We'll get back to you after a break.

All right, buddy.

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All right, man.

What do you got?

Hello?

Yep.

Still there?

Yeah.

Yes. Yes.

I'm still here.

Do Christians allow alcohol every day?

I'm sorry.

What?

Do Christians drink alcohol every day?

That question is difficult to answer.

Do Christians, all Christians everywhere, is someone drinking alcohol in a

day, in a.

Particular day?

Probably. Yes.

So I would say, yes, Christians drink alcohol every day.

Do all Christians drink alcohol every day?

I don't know.

I don't think so.

I'm a Christian.

I'm a Christian.

I don't.

Okay.

Do Christians are allowed to drink alcohol every day?

Yeah.

They're allowed to.

Yeah.

They can drink alcohol.

In Proverbs 31 .6, I believe it is, give strong drink to the one who's perishing and wine to the one

who's in distress.

So you're allowed to drink alcohol.

Just don't have it master you.

Don't use it as an excuse to be mastered by something and be addicted.

You should do all things with care.

So the previous question, because Jesus is born in flesh with incarnation.

So he's saying that he's not born in sin.

He don't have a sin nature.

Right.

He does not have a sin nature.

That's correct.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Previous caller told you, you told him that Nephilim, that was in Job chapter 40.

Nephilim is in Genesis six, but in Job 40 and 41, it looks

like it mentions dinosaurs, a water based type and a land based type.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you, sir.

You're welcome.

All right.

God bless.

All right.

All right.

Now let's get to next.

Longest waiting is Derek from Virginia.

Derek, welcome.

You're on the air.

Hey, Matt, I'm a new listener.

How are you today?

Oh, I'm doing all right, man.

I've got the great privilege of being able to talk to people about the Lord.

So what do you got?

That's right.

Yeah.

I caught your radio coming home from work and I've been listening to the last couple days and it's been a real blessing.

Well, by God's grace, because I'll tell you, if you knew me in person, you would be not.

You'd not be impressed.

It's the same here.

Yes.

I got a question.

I guess my question is about healing.

I guess it's about 16 years ago, I lost my mother to pancreatic cancer and I

was I was raised in church and I've known the Lord all my life and we I can scarcely think of anyone who

was prayed over more than my mother.

And I know you've dealt with loss.

I think I was listening to the day you lost your son.

I think you said your wife dealt with some kind of pain issue or whatever.

But my question is, there's a verse in the Bible and I'm paraphrasing.

I think it's James.

It's like it says, is anyone sick among you?

Bring them to the elders and pray over them.

And but I think it's a prayer of faith person could be healed.

And I struggled with this for a while because, you know, like I said, she passed away.

And my sister, which is a wonderful Christian woman, she was basically telling me, you know, what, Derek, maybe, you

know, you lost your mother.

You know, maybe that was her healing.

You know, maybe that was God healing for her by her homegoing.

And I just kind of want to get your take on that.

You know, it is does this verse apply to us today or was this

applied to people back in the times of Christ?

It applies today.

And the question is, what does it mean?

So different theologians have offered different explanations.

And what's interesting about it, it says, is anyone among you sick?

Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

And the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick.

And the Lord will raise him up.

And if he has committed sins, they'll be forgiven him.

What?

Well, what?

Why do you throw that in?

And that says, therefore, confess your sins to one another.

So is this an issue then in the context of sickness due

to sin?

Right.

And so with the elders coming in, then it looks like they are aware of a sinful

issue.

And so they are anointing, he's being forgiven, et cetera.

And then he's healed.

So because of this, some say, well, it just has to do with just physical things and anything.

You know, so my wife has a very rare condition and my son died from a very

rare condition.

So these conditions occur and people get pancreatic cancer, they get lung cancer, they, you

know, brain aneurysm.

All right.

So is God obligated then to heal everybody who prays this?

Well, no.

If that were the case, no one would ever die.

And we got problems there.

So this is for the will of God.

Now, in Exodus four eleven, Moses is talking to God.

He says, you know, I'm not a good speaker, et cetera, et cetera.

You send me to Pharaoh.

I'm not very good at this.

And God says, who makes the eye who makes the eye blind, the tongue dumb and

the ear deaf is not by the Lord.

He's saying that he's in control.

Don't worry about what you're saying.

But he in this process, he talks about God actually making people sick.

People say, well, that's never the case.

Yes, it is.

Because he said in Exodus four eleven.

OK, now wait a minute.

What about that?

Well, if if God makes someone sick, there's going to be a reason for it, not just an arbitrary.

Hey, I'm going to slap this guy down.

So then if you're praying against what God's will is for that, now what do you do?

So you see, this is not an easy topic.

So what we do is we move forward by faith.

We say, Lord, would you please heal?

Like I pray every almost every night, but ninety nine percent last time I forgot.

But I pray for my wife and her healing.

We pray together each night.

She's out of state right now.

And and I pray for her.

And she's still not healed.

Well, that's not my business.

I mean, it is.

But, you know, God heals.

And so I pray in faith and she does, too.

And we're waiting for that healing.

And if God takes her home to heal her, then that's the answer.

And if he doesn't.

But in the meantime, she's praising God through everything about it.

That's that's glory for God and a greater reward for her.

That's right.

This is hard.

What just, you know, it's tough.

And I've seen good.

I mean, I've seen a lot of good that has come out, you know, from my mother passing.

I mean, it was several people have actually come to know the Lord through it.

And we've actually there's a girl at church who's dealing with the same type of cancer.

And I've seen so many good things that have, you know, I can see God's handiwork in his in his fingerprint on on

on that.

And it's a lot of good that comes out of it.

Yeah, there is.

And so the tough thing for us is to live through it.

And by faith, pray for healing, expect healing and trust God when it

doesn't happen.

And praise God either way, if it does or doesn't.

That's right.

It's it's I'll be praying for your wife and pray things go well for you and keep up the good work on the show.

Like I said, it's been a blessing.

I've been listening to it the last couple of days.

Yeah.

Praise God.

And I wish I had better answers for questions like that.

But sometimes I just don't.

It's tough.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it is.

All right.

All right, Brad.

OK, God bless.

God bless you.

All right.

All right.

Now let's get to Amy from Wyoming.

Amy, welcome.

You're on the air.

I'm just like, thanks for having me again.

No problem, though.

I'm a person that I believe what the Bible says is true.

And I don't really.

But I'm also a person that questions why a lot, not always what, but just why.

I like to know why for things.

So is there any.

Evidence you can put forth of a why, you know, because I believe in the triune God.

So why when Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane, did he say, if it be

your will, pass this cup from me?

And then again, on the cross, why he asks, why have you forsaken me?

Why is that even important to include to show his humanity?

Yeah, that's that's part of it.

The why have you forsaken me is a quote from Psalm 22, verse one,

where the crucifixion is actually spoken about in that particular verse.

And if you read Psalm 22, which is a thousand years B .C., then you can see he's talking about

crucifixion.

The forsaking is a poetic kind of a thing to look at because it's dealing

with the tragedy and the pain, the suffering that Jesus is going through.

So he has two natures, a divine nature and a human nature.

And we call this the hypostatic union.

So what's going on here is that each nature has a will.

This is called diathletism.

And yet the two wills.

No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I'm just kidding. I'm sorry.

And the two wills are in the one person in Jesus as a single

person has one will.

How this works, we don't know.

But what we do know is that Jesus would say things like, I'm thirsty.

I'm hungry.

I'm tired because he's manifesting the attributes

of humanity.

Well, within that, we could ask questions.

You know, it's he's on the cross.

He doesn't want to go through the pain.

Why?

Why wouldn't he?

Because it hurts.

It's painful.

It's serious.

And so this is the natural thing that he's going to be saying, because, yeah, it's part of what he has to go through.

It's a simplistic kind of a way of looking at it.

But there you go.

OK.

OK. Good enough for me.

That helps.

Yes, sir. Thank you so much.

You're welcome so much.

All right.

Well, God bless.

OK.

All right.

Now let's get back to Jamal from North Carolina.

Hey, Jamal.

Welcome.

And we've got about two minutes or so.

What do you got, man?

OK, I have two questions.

I just thought about it right now.

So I apologize to the screener.

One of them was about having church at home online versus going to the

building.

But I want to swap that out for this one.

There was a church that had a main pastor who was a male, but they had

female pastors for other roles like youth ministry and

women's ministry and things like that.

Is that acceptable?

No, they should not be called pastors because they're not pastors.

A pastor is an elder.

That's out of First Timothy 517.

First Timothy 517 talks about the pastors being an elder.

And in Titus chapter one and First Timothy three, an elder is to be a husband of one

wife.

So by default, a pastor can only be applied to a male.

So to say a woman is a pastor of this and that is a misuse of the biblical term and a

failure to understand proper biblical theology.

OK, OK.

Now, can she be a director?

Of course.

Can she work like that and do stuff over, you know, the kids or whatever it is, you know, maintenance and that, of course.

But she should not be addressed as a pastor because she isn't one.

And so the problem here is that, oh, she's just a pastor of youth ministry or whatever they want to call it, of

children's ministry.

Oh, OK.

And then someone goes to another church.

There's a woman pastor, senior pastor.

Well, they had a pastor to the old church.

So I guess it's OK.

Sure.

And it gets better.

Yeah.

OK.

All right.

All right.

Well, thank you very much, Mr. Slick, and God bless you and your family.

And I'll be praying for your wife as well.

You take care, sir.

Hey, thanks a lot, Jamal. Really appreciate it. God bless.

All right.

I like his questions.

He has good questions.

Now we're about out of time.

There's the music going to start any second.

And I hope that you enjoy the show.

And may the Lord bless you.

I just hope he blesses you greatly tonight.

I don't know why I said that, but I just am asking for that.

And so by his grace, we'll be back on the air tomorrow.

And hopefully we'll talk to you then.

God bless everybody.