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A very serious problem indeed. That's just my opinion though. Don't get it twisted. Just my opinion and I'm allowed to have some opinions. I wanted to have another opinion. I saw this thread by Josh Dawes.
I thought it was so interesting. I disagree with Josh, but Josh is a good guy. And I remember when Josh was, I don't know if this was when he first came out on Twitter. Came out, I shouldn't have said that.
Josh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that. I don't know if this is when you were first active on Twitter, but this is the first time I saw you on Twitter. And you were a very helpful guy, you're very winsome in a good way, but you've gotten, how shall I say, hardened over the years, but you're still got your heart in the right place, which is why a few weeks ago, there was a hit piece on Josh.
And I got really mad about it because Josh is a good guy. He's got his heart in the right place. He's trying to be a peacemaker and he's trying to be helpful. In fact, I think that's what his whole, yeah, see right here, it says he's just trying to help.
That's what he's doing. He's just here to just try to help. He's the host of the Great Awokening Podcast. Go ahead and check it out. I'm sure it's very good stuff indeed. Now I disagree with Josh here, but I can see that his heart's in the right place.
He's just trying to help. So let's talk about this thread. And there's some agreement here, but there's some disagreement. So let's talk about it. I'm gonna go piece by piece. Josh Dawes says this. The evangelical Overton window has moved significantly since many of us first began warning about wokeness in the church.
It should be expected that many leaders who were previously silent or worse, parroting woke ideology will begin to speak up now that it's within the realm of acceptable evangelical discourse to criticize it.
This is a win. I agree, that is a win. The Overton window has shifted dramatically. You guys, you would not believe the private conversations that I have with people, like the things that people aren't any longer scared to talk about with a guy like me.
They're not ashamed to have opinions that they have. You guys, you would not believe it. You guys would call the ADL, Anti-Defamation League. That's the ADL, right? Yeah, the ADL, you'd call, maybe not the police.
Yeah, definitely you wouldn't call the police, but you'd call the speech police. Yeah, the speech police, you'd call the speech police. If you could only hear the conversations I have with private conversations I have with Christians.
Oh, it's so encouraging. It really is. It is so encouraging. People are ready to just believe what the scripture says. They're ready to just trust God. They're in the position of the man, Lord, I believe, help my unbelief.
They're just, everything's on the table. They're ready to go. They're ready to work. This is some serious stuff. And the overt, we should make no mistake, all the hard work that we've been putting in is having an impact.
It's a lot slower than a lot of us like, that's just a fact. But we're having a huge impact, guys. God bless you. And I couldn't have done it without so many of the people that are watching this channel.
They support the channel on Patreon. We couldn't have done it. The people that watch these videos, not just me, John Harris, all these guys, Joel Webben, all these guys. Thank you. Thank you so much because your input, your support, your viewership helps us to keep going, man.
Okay, let's just continue. But I agree, I agree. This is huge. The Overton window has shifted dramatically. And that, we should recognize that as a win. But here's what he's saying. He's saying, there's gonna be some people that were silent before, or even worse, that were woke before, that are now gonna start to criticize it.
And he says, that's a win. I agree, that is a win. That's a win, okay? So far, I'm in agreement with Josh. Let's continue. He said, would it be nice if they publicly acknowledged where they were wrong and repented where necessary?
Sure, I'd love to see that. It would go a long way to healing much of the division this necessary battle has inflicted the last few years. I encourage them to do so. However, it's not my job to make them pay for their past mistakes.
Regardless of whether or not you or I find them to be trustworthy leaders or not, they are leaders nonetheless. Please follow, people follow them and respect their opinions. When they start speaking truth that needs to be heard, regardless of how contradictory it is to previous teaching, that's a win.
Because people have refused to listen to us all those years, we'll listen to them. I know it's frustrating, but we need to take the W, content to know that our efforts have not been in vain. These leaders will answer to God one day for any neglect or false teaching that they haven't repented of.
Leave them to God and be grateful that they are providing sound teaching now. If we feel the need to correct every leader that comes around to what we've been saying, who has previously failed in some way, we are going to end up playing whack-a-mole because we've been incredibly successful at moving the evangelical overton.
The winds have shifted, let's celebrate that. Here's where I disagree. So, number one, I agree that it's a win. It's a win when the previously silent or the previously woke change their ways. That's a huge win.
However, we don't have to just sit there and say, man, I really hope that you explain why you've changed so that you could help the church. I really hope so. And if you don't, I'm just gonna leave it there, leave it like that.
Now, look, here's the reality. Like, of course, we can't make them repent, right? We can't make them explain their situation, explain how they've changed and stuff like that. We can't make them. But I think it is absolutely important for us to draw attention to that fact.
I want it to be as uncomfortable as possible for Al Mohler. Every time he comes out and claims that he's a Christian nationalist now, I want it to be very uncomfortable for him. So what I'm going to do is point out, you are not a Christian nationalist.
You are just a guy sticking your finger up, trying to see which way the wind's blowing to further build your little empire. That's what I'm gonna say, because yesterday you were woke. So explain to me why you're not woke right now, because that would be helpful, actually, before I can accept any of your nonsense about how you're a stalwart that I should follow.
Here's the thing, though. What I'm not saying is that the things that they're teaching, if they're good, are no longer good because they don't really believe it. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.
But what I am saying is that we absolutely have to make this uncomfortable for them, because the reality is that many of the people that are going to be talking now, that used to be woke, that are no longer woke because we've been so successful at shifting this Overton window, a lot of these guys, they're going to shift again.
The minute the pressure is on, this is the important thing, Josh, and I'm not mad at you, dude. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I think you're a great dude, and I'm glad that you're in this fight, brother.
I am. But here's the important thing, though. The minute the pressure is on, because it's coming. It's coming. There's gonna be a new COVID situation, and the government is going to put the pressure, the screws to the church, right?
All those people that are changing their ways now because we've shifted the Overton window, they don't believe anything. They have no scruples. They're just doing whatever they think is gonna gather them the most kudos and accolades, right?
They're going to cave again. They're going to cave again, and we ought to consider that the future state of the church when we act. Now, I'm not saying we have to cast them out into outer darkness. I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that Al Mohler can never say something helpful or good. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that you should never listen to them no matter what they say. Not saying that. I think it's similar to the Pharisees.
Jesus gave advice to his followers about the Pharisees. Do as they say, don't do what they do. Do as they say, do what they teach, listen to what they teach. They're teaching the right things, and not all of it was right.
God criticized a lot of what they were teaching, right? But in general, when they were teaching the law, they were doing okay. Do what they say, don't do what they do. Jesus was drawing attention to the contradiction.
He was drawing attention to the fact that these guys are freaking weasels. And I think we need to do that. We need to do that. Al Mohler is in it for himself. He's in it for himself. Do what he says, don't do what he does.
Because what he does is unacceptable. What he says, a lot of good stuff there. A lot of good, not perfect, who among us is. Not perfect, who among us is. But do what he says, don't do what he does. That's the example I think we ought to follow.
Jesus was no stranger to making it uncomfortable for those Pharisees. You know, you guys talk a big game, you don't do anything of what you say. In fact, you do the opposite. He did not, for the sake of peace, say, well, we're not gonna really draw attention to that.
Josh, I think you're wrong here. I think you're wrong. I'm not saying that they're unbelievers. I'm not saying you cast them in the outer dark. By the way, Josh, I think there's a difference too between the ones that were previously silent and the ones that were parroting woke ideology.
If you were silent, I get it, man. You were, I wanna say this in a nice way. I'm just gonna say it and it's not gonna come out nice, but I mean it in a nice way. You were scared. You were a coward. You were a coward and you needed to see some people that weren't scared before you got your courage.
And you know what? That's okay, sometimes I'm scared. You know what I mean? I've been there, man. I know what that's like. You were scared to do the right thing. A lot of these guys were scared to do the right thing.
But now that they see that we're out here doing it and look, it's not the end of our lives. It's not the end of those pastors' lives that stood up to the government. It's not the end of the road. They're like, you know what?
Now I'm gonna do it. Some people need that, man. And that came out harsher than I meant it to come out. I couldn't think of a way to say it. But some of these guys were looking for a leader. Let's just say that.
They were looking for a leader. So the silent people that you're mentioning, Josh, I've got a different take for them. But the ones that were woke as a joke, and now they're like, oh, well, I'm okay. Hey, fellow Christian nationalists.
Absolutely not until you tell me what happened. Tell the church because the church needs to hear your transition story. What happened? What did you see the error of your ways so that they could see the error of their ways?
How have you seen the light? What was it? What was it? We need to increase the pressure, Josh. That's my point. I think the big beef I have with what you're saying, Josh, here, is that you're trying to get us to switch the pressure release valve.
Absolutely not. The Overton window has shifted. That's a win. People are now talking rightly that we're talking wrongly before. That's a win, 100%. Increase the pressure. Increase it. Because we need to make this a situation that if you're woke, you are not a Christian.
You are out of the church. You kick them out. If you wanna divide the church up like a pizza according to skin color, if you wanna be racially partial, if you wanna do that kind of stuff, do it out there in pagan land.
You don't do it in the church. We want to draw a sharp distinction. I was woke before. I've seen the light. It was unbiblical. It was ungodly. It was against the law of God. And now, here's what I'm saying.
This is a dividing line. This is a dividing line. We need to increase the pressure. This is the time, Josh. This is the time. They want us to take our foot off the gas. They want us to not press the attack.
This is the time to press the attack. We've got them right where we want them. We've got them right where we want them. They're up against the edge of the cliff. And they've got two options. They can jump all the way off the cliff like Jamar Tisby or we've got a hand for you, man.
Look, there's grace for you, brother. There's grace. But you've gotta repent. You've got to show us the air of you. You've got to say, no more, I'm not doing this. And now I'm fighting for the right team.
A lot of these guys are not fighting for the right team. A lot of these guys are fighting for team themselves. And that's the reality. So while I respect a lot of what Josh Dawes has said here and we've gotta accept the wins where we get them, we gotta acknowledge that stuff.
I completely wholeheartedly agree with that. This is not the time to lay your weapons down. 100 disagree with that, Josh. This is the time to press the attack. Whack them all or not. This is the time because we haven't completed the job yet.
We haven't. SPC is still as woke as a joke. The PCA is still up in the air as far as what's gonna happen. Are they gonna go all the way gay? Or, you know, we don't know yet. It's up in the air. The fight is still upon us.
We cannot rest. We cannot rest. Josh, I love you, brother. I love you. I hope you see this as a helpful, you know, brotherly love type of rebuke. It wasn't even really a rebuke. It's just a complete disagreement.
I know you're fighting for the angels, brother. I love you. God bless you. I hope you found this podcast helpful. God bless. Don't forget to tune in next week on Thursday for AD on the Fight Laugh Feast Network.
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