Biblical Economics with Israel Wayne

Okay.

And we are live streaming as well.

So I'm Terry Camerizell and I'm here with Creation Fellowship Santee.

We're a group of friends bound by our common agreement that the creation account as told in Genesis is a true

depiction of how God created life and everything in just six days a few thousand

years ago.

We've been meeting online in this format since June of 2020 and we've been blessed by a blend

of presentations of creation science, other theology topics and even current events,

various speakers and you can find links to most of those by visiting our

webpage tinyurl .com forward slash CF Santee that's C like

creation F like fellowship and Santee is spelled S -A -N -T -E -E.

You can also email us at creationfellowshipsantee at gmail .com so that you get on our

email list.

We don't spam and we'll send you links to all of our upcoming speakers.

And tonight we're blessed not as I mentioned we do we do do a blend of topics.

Tonight is not a creation science topic.

It's a different theology type topic.

We are going to be looking at God's but specifically the biblical view of

economics and we're blessed tonight to have as our speaker Israel Wayne.

Israel is a homeschool dad.

He's an author and a speaker and he is the founder of a ministry called Family Renewal

and basically you can find more information about him at

familyrenewal .org.

He also has a Facebook page Israel Wayne.

So Israel I'm happy to turn it over.

To you.

Well thank you Terry and you know one thing I didn't get to share is we were chatting a little bit before going

live here is that my wife and I actually visited Santee

when we got married in January of 1999.

I'm a Michigan guy and so in Michigan in January it's freezing cold.

My wife was born and raised in Arizona Scottsdale.

So when we got married we had our honeymoon in Southern California and we were both homeschooled

students ourselves and so one of the things that we desperately wanted to do on our honeymoon was to go visit

the creation museum in Santee and so we made a trip down there.

It's a beautiful area.

I know not all the people who are online are from that area but if you ever get a chance to go out there it's fabulous and of course I actually

have a lot of roots in the creation movement that go back a long long ways.

The two founders of the creation movement were Dr. Henry Morris and Dr. John Whitcomb.

Henry Morris founded the Institute for Creation Research which was the original founder of that museum

in Santee that we were blessed to go visit.

He was also the founder of a publishing company called Master Books which is a company that

many decades later he actually co -founded that with Tim LaHaye the guy who wrote the Left

Behind series and whose wife Beverly LaHaye started Concerned Women for America.

Tim LaHaye and Henry Morris started Master Books back in 1975 the year that I was born and many

years later they signed me as an author.

I've been an author with them for a decade now and I have a great relationship with them.

They publish a lot of authors like Ken Ham and Dr. Jason Lyle and Michael Ferris and

Kevin Swanson and Todd Friel and boy I can't think of everybody

but I'd say Ray Comfort.

Anyway a lot of those guys but yeah I just I have a lot of roots in creationism.

My dad was a seminary graduate.

One of his professors was Dr. John Whitcomb who co -wrote The Genesis Flood with Henry Morris

back in 1963.

So I cut my teeth on young earth creationism and have been a staunch stalwart

supporter of a literal interpretation of Genesis my whole life and so it's

something I'm very committed to and I'm grateful to be invited tonight to get to speak to your

group online.

It's a great honor.

We're going to talk about biblical economics and so I will share my screen here we'll pop over

to a powerpoint and walk through this.

So as I was thinking about how to approach the issue of biblical economics there's several different

approaches I think that we could take with this.

One is of course that we could go back and talk about the system of economics that they had in the

old testament that the nation of Israel lived under and that of course would be very fascinating from a

historical standpoint but maybe not quite as practical for us today in that their

system of economics was very tied in with what we would call a theonomic system where

they as the people of God living under the law of God had very special covenant promises that

were tied to their identity as a nation and so there were certain economic promises

and benefits that were given to them within God's covenant to the nation of Israel.

So anyway fascinating story there but we're not going to get into that tonight.

I want to go through what the scripture has to say on the issue of economics and we're going to look at

some principles from God's word that will help us to be able to think biblically

about economics in a way that we can apply it today.

So the first thing that I want us to look at is the aspect of creation of wealth and what the bible says

about being able to generate or create wealth.

Deuteronomy 8 18 says you shall remember the Lord your God for it is he who gives you

power to get wealth.

So wealth is ultimately not something that is completely within the hands or the control of us as

humans but it is something that really is within the sovereign hand of God.

First Samuel 2 7 through 8 says the Lord makes poor and makes rich he brings low and he

exalts he raises up the poor from the dust he lifts the needy from the ash heap to

make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's

and on them he has set the world.

And then Proverbs 10 22 says the blessing of the Lord makes rich and he adds

no sorrow with it.

So we see again that provision is something that is a gift from God.

He gives us the ability to generate wealth but it's also good for us to know

that he doesn't add sorrow.

You think about some of the most morbidly depressed people in the world are some of those who are the most wealthy and the most

famous.

The things that the world tells us will bring us success oftentimes simply brings depression

and so when someone has accumulated wealth from the hand of God by doing it the right

way and following God's principles it doesn't have the same sorrow that goes along with it.

I would say the most important principle that you could understand about biblical economics is this

principle and that's that God owns everything.

This is absolutely pivotal to how we think about everything connected to money and

finances and wealth.

So first Corinthians 10 26 says the earth is the Lord's and the

fullness thereof.

Everything belongs to God.

Job 41 11 says who has first given to me that I should repay him.

Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine.

This is the Lord speaking to Job.

Everything under the whole heaven belongs to God.

Psalm 24 1 the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof the world and

those who dwell therein.

In Psalm 50 verse 12 God says if I were hungry I would not tell you for the world

and all its fullness are mine.

So God created everything.

He created it for his glory.

He created it for his purposes and it all belongs to him.

So the next principle that I want us to think about is the principle of stewardship and this really is I think the

most important concept that we can develop as it relates

to how we apply finances and that is that we are to be caretakers and stewards and so we

remember the parable of the talents that Jesus talks about in Matthew 25 and

verses 14 through 30 where there's this master who has great wealth

and he entrusts his servants his stewards to invest

his money and to try to multiply what they were given in

terms of resources and so he gives to one of the stewards five talents and he gives to another two

talents and he gives to a third one talent and then he gives them time to invest

this and he comes back and he expects an accounting and the

steward who has given five talents had multiplied it and he was

able to produce ten and the other who's given two was able to multiply it and produce four

but the one steward had simply buried his talent and he did nothing with it and

so the master was very angry with him and you see the bitterness in the heart of the steward

where he accuses the master and of course you know in the parable it's talking about God but he

accuses him of being unjust and being unfair and trying to reap where he hasn't

sown and to benefit in ways that are that are unjust.

And the principle though behind this parable the talents although there's probably many life

lessons that we can draw from it is the concept that we are all

stewards of the things that God gives us and so God in this parable is the

master and we are the stewards and so nothing ultimately belongs to us and I think this

is key this is pivotal for us as we move forward and we begin to think about ownership

because ultimately God as we just saw owns everything and as his

stewards or caretakers we own nothing.

So if you think about these three stewards which one of the three stewards was the most wealthy.

Well it's a bit of a trick question because really none of them were wealthy they all had nothing.

The person who was wealthy was the master because it was all the master's resources it was his wealth it was his money.

And so an illustration I would use for us would be you know suppose we work for a company and we

had a mutual boss and the boss said I want you to take an account for the company and manage it.

And so let's say that you are given a million dollar account and another co -worker was given a hundred

thousand dollar account and I was given a ten dollar account.

Right.

And we were told to manage this for the company.

Well which one of us is more wealthy.

Well intrinsically none of us are more wealthy than the other in terms of what we're given we're just given one's given

much greater responsibility.

Right.

So the person who's stewarding the million dollar account that's not their money.

They don't have that money.

That's not theirs.

But they do have responsibility over that million dollar account.

So there's a greater sense of culpability liability responsibility.

And so we're told in the scripture that to whom much has been given much will be

required.

And that's that concept of stewardship that we all are to carefully steward what the lord gives

us.

So the principle of stewardship is that as bible -believing christians who belong to jesus

we don't own anything.

God owns everything we own nothing.

We are simply stewards and caretakers of his wealth.

In luke 16 8 there's a parable of the dishonest manager and it says

that the master commanded the dishonest manager for his shrewdness.

For the sons of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own generation than the sons of light.

And so jesus in this parable is not in any way condoning dishonesty.

He's not setting that up as a model for us.

But what he is saying is that people in the world are often better at knowing how to manage

finances in a practical way and to know how to just be

shrewd in the way that they do business.

Uh than are the sons of light.

And those would be you know those of us who belong to christ.

But but this is a rebuke to us.

Um you know really as people who understand the word of god we should be better financial

stewards than people who don't know god.

Because the god who has created the principles that govern economics that govern how the world is supposed to

work has given us those lessons and those principles in the bible.

And so when we align ourselves to the teaching of scripture and god's

ways and his character and his nature we should be far more proficient

in managing funds than people who disobey god and do not know god.

Um so in uh luke 16 first beginning verse 10 it says.

One who is faithful in a very little is also faithful and much.

And one who is dishonest and a very little is also dishonest and much.

If then you have not been faithful in the unrighteous wealth who will entrust to

you the true riches.

And if you have not been faithful in that which is another's who will give you that which is your own.

No servant can serve two masters for either he will hate the one and love the other

or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

You cannot serve god and money.

So there's a lot that we can pack into this.

But we are told the importance of financial stewardship and how it often is a

reflection of our values.

And we see i think even with the qualifications for elders in first timothy 3 and titus

1 having a good reputation with outsiders probably has to do

with our integrity and how we do business and how we relate to other people.

And so if somebody has been dishonest in their finances we wouldn't want to put them in charge of church leadership

for example because it's a character issue.

So the way that we spend our resources often exposes

what is in our heart and it says you cannot serve god and money.

There was a great man of god who taught on financial principles for a lot of years who's now with the

lord.

His name was larry briquette.

He started a ministry called christian financial concepts and later became crown financial ministries.

And larry briquette wrote a lot great books had a lot of great resources.

But i remember one thing that he said that was really powerful is he said i can tell you what you love i can tell you

what you value.

I can tell you what you worship by looking at two things your calendar and your checkbook.

And he said the reason that is is because everything that you have in your life is allocated

through those two means through the time that you have and through the

resources that you possess.

In other words that's your life.

How you spend your time and your resources is how you spend your life.

And so there's often times where we lie to ourselves about what our true

values are and we say that we we love god and we say that we love our

family for example and that those are our number one and number two priorities in life.

But in reality oftentimes our time and our money

lies or tells the truth about the lies that are in our heart.

Just for example the u .s government in 2020 put out a research

statistic from the department of labor statistics that said that the average mom today only spends one hour a

day with her children and the average father only spends 29 minutes a day.

If you ask those parents what their number one value in life is a lot of them would say it's their children.

And yet it's not those same parents watch four hours of television or netflix every night of their life.

And so their real value is themselves.

They spend seven hours a day in multimedia including mostly social

media.

And so you know we we say to ourselves that we love god and that we put him

first.

But what we end up doing usually is serving ourselves and there's only one throne

in our life you know.

And and if jesus is not enthroned in that life then then someone or something else is

and it's it's usually us right.

And so it's it's very easy to give lip service to saying i'm a christian and i love jesus.

But in reality oftentimes the priorities of our life show that we we love ourselves

and we put ourselves first.

So the scripture speaks about the principle of avoiding debt.

Romans 13 8 says.

Oh no one anything except to love each other.

For the one who loves another has fulfilled the law in the old testament.

Deuteronomy 15 6 says.

For the lord your god will bless you as he promised you.

And you shall lend to many nations but you shall not borrow.

You shall rule over many nations but they shall not rule over you.

So the principle here is that being able to give being able to share is

biblical.

But borrowing and being in debt and not being able to pay our own

financial obligations is not a blessing.

Debt is always referred to in the either as a directly a curse or as something that we

should seek to get out from under.

And yet within our culture we're taught to apply for debt to pursue debt.

But the scripture shows that we should seek to have money that we can lend and that

we can we can give to others.

The scripture also speaks to us about avoiding greed and covetousness.

And so i want to define those terms.

Greed is wanting more and covetousness is wanting what someone else has.

The billionaire john rockefeller was famously asked how much money do you think it will

take to make you happy.

And his famous response was just a little bit more.

And so first peter 5 2 tells us not to be greedy for money but instead to be eager to serve.

When our contentment is found in money we will never be content.

We will never have enough.

We'll always need just a little bit more.

But when our contentment is in christ alone then we can certainly um you

know manage much money or manage little money.

Um and yet our contentment doesn't change.

The greed and covetousness is in an indication that we are not content in our heart with what god

has given us that we.

We aren't content with the level of stewardship that he has provided for us that we feel like we are owed a greater

stewardship when in reality that's not true.

In reality we should be content with whatever level of stewardship god has given us.

Bible also speaks against hoarding and accumulating wealth stashing it up and storing

it for ourselves.

Ecclesiastes 5 13 through 14 says.

I've seen a grievous evil under the sun wealth hoarded to the harm of its owner or wealth lost through

some misfortune so that when he has a son there's nothing left for him.

Psalm 39 6 says man heaps up wealth not knowing who will get it.

Matthew 6 19 says do not store up for yourselves treasures here on earth.

Hebrews 13 5 says keep your lives free from the love of money.

Be content with what you have.

For god has said i will never leave you and i will never forsake you.

So having wealth is not the problem.

It's about stewarding the wealth.

Having resources is not what's problematic.

It's about viewing it as belonging to us and using it selfishly for

ourselves.

Philippians 4 12 3 13 speaks to the issue of contentedness.

The apostle paul says i know how to be brought low and i know how to abound in any and every

circumstance.

I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger

abundance and need.

Paul so well balances the the imbalances that we sometimes have within the christian

community.

We have a ditch.

I always say there's a ditch on either side of the narrow road and one of the ditches

is the ditch of prosperity gospel which is this idea that god wants you to be rich

and he wants you to drive a luxury rolls royce or a lamborghini or whatever and

flaunt your wealth with diamonds and mansions and all that kind of thing which is a

false gospel.

But there's a ditch on the other side which is what i would call the poverty gospel mentality and that is

that you are somehow more righteous or more holy if you drive a rusted out vehicle that's falling

apart and that's you know constantly in the shop and it doesn't.

You don't have any guarantees that it's going to get you to work in the morning and your children run around in raggedy clothes.

And you can't pay your mortgage for month to month.

And you know that is not a biblical view of finances either.

You are not more godly when you live in in desperate financial situations.

That's not you know neither one of those pictures is a biblical view

of wealth and finance and i think it's it's very easy for us to as christians either have a poverty mindset which

is not a biblical mindset or to have like a prosperity gospel mindset where we believe that god

owes us something or that god is somehow contractually obligated to shower

down money from heaven.

You know because we we want it we demand it.

Paul is just so balanced in this that he says hey i've had times where i've had a lot and i've had times where i've had

little.

And in my circumstance it didn't change my serenity with god because god.

His peace with god was not predicated on his circumstance.

It was predicated on who he was in christ and being in the will of god.

The bible also speaks to the issue of generosity.

Proverbs 22 9 says the generous will themselves be blessed for they will share their

food with the poor.

And speaks of the proverbs 31.

Woman in verse 20 and says she opens her hand to the poor and reaches out

her hands to the needy.

Now we know this woman she's also caring for and stewarding for her own household so

her children are taken care of.

She's not causing them to be in deprivation in order to reach out their needs are met

their finances are their financial situation is covered.

But they have an abundance.

They have an ability to be able to give to the poor and the needy.

And this is seen as a as a symbol of godliness even for a christian woman.

In first corinthians 16 2 the apostle paul is talking to the church there in corinth about the necessity of

giving.

And so he says on the first day of every week each one of you should set aside a sum of money according to his

income saving it up so that when i come no collections will need to be

made.

Uh this is a controversial point that i'm going to talk on here but i'm just going to go ahead and throw it out there.

Um if you do a careful study through the new testament i think it is very

difficult to sustain the idea that a 10 percent tithe

to a local church is mandated in the scripture in the new testament

the main concept for that actually comes from the old testament because of the tithes that were required

for the support of the levitical priests in the old testament.

And so people have taken that concept in the old testament transferred it to the new testament and said well you

know the temple of the old testament is now the church today.

The priest of the old testament is the pastor today.

And you don't find that correlation.

You don't find that transfer in the scripture itself.

It's it's inferred.

But you don't find any teaching that actually pushes us in that direction.

The teaching of the new testament regarding giving is that um you know we see in this

passage that you should set aside a sum.

It doesn't say how much.

This is a sum of money.

Then it says according to your income.

So a percentage base you know makes sense that you save up.

And then on the first day of every week you give it.

And why do you give it on the first day of every week.

Well because if you if you keep it longer than that you will probably run into some financial crisis

at least an imagined crisis where you'll you'll use it you'll spend it.

But when you are budgeting and you're setting aside that money each week and putting that to the work of the lord

then you are you know keeping the right accounts with god as opposed to you

know thinking well i'll let it build up until it's something substantial.

Not not a good plan.

People who do that tend to not give.

And so giving is required for the believer in the new testament.

But there's not a specific percentage that is put upon it.

For those who want to have a 10 percent tithe you know basing it off of the concept from the old testament.

That's fine.

I mean a 10 percent uh tithe is a fine idea.

There is a biblical requirement for those who teach the word within the church to be

compensated for what they do and for them to have their financial provision met.

So that is mentioned in the scripture.

We just want to be careful that we don't legalistically make laws and rules where the scripture itself

does not make laws and rules.

So the scripture is very clear uh on the necessity of the christian to give particularly to the

poor.

Um but the concept of a 10 percent tithe and i encourage you study it yourself.

Don't take my word for it.

Um is it's not one that's directly taught in the new testament.

A lot of pastors believe so a lot of pastors teach that it is.

Um and i i respectfully uh disagree with them on that.

But it's also an issue on which christians thankfully can disagree.

It's not a salvation issue.

Um second corinthians 8 7 paul says just as you excel in everything see also that you

excel in this grace of giving.

I love that term the grace of giving.

Uh he wants us to be above average in this grace of giving.

A couple of great examples of giving in more modern times within the 20th century.

There's a guy named rg laturno who built earth moving equipment during the great depression

and he became a millionaire at a time when most people were in poverty and he was

able to do a reverse tithe.

He actually would keep 10 of his income and he would give 90 of

it away to the work of the lord.

He wrote a book called god runs my business.

There's also another great book about his life published by moody publishers a classic book called

mover of men and mountains by moody publishers.

You can still get a copy of that.

But um he was asked by a reporter one time how is it that you can give away

so much money.

Because he gave away about 12 million dollars during the great depression.

How can you give away so much money and still be a millionaire.

And he explained it this way.

He said well fact is god shovels money to me and i shovel money

back to god.

And it just so turns out that god has a bigger shovel than i do.

Another guy that is a great person to read about related to this was the

founder of the u .s plastics corporation stanley tam and he wrote a book called god

owns my business.

He actually approached the u .s government and said he wanted to incorporate his business with god

being the legal owner of his company.

And he was able to do that 1942 during world war ii.

And he gave over 100 million dollars to christian ministry.

49 of all of his gross sales from the u .s plastics corporation were given

to ministry causes.

So these are men who are great stewards.

They truly understood the necessity of being of being

caretakers of what god had given them.

And seeing that that money was a means it was not an end it was a means to an end and the

means was to serve the lord.

In second corinthians 9 7 paul gives us a template for how charity

should be addressed.

And i wish we had time to you know delve into this um with some length.

Because there's an entire biblical theology of charity just as there is of

everything there's a biblical theology of everything.

But in second Corinthians 9 7 paul says each one must give as he has decided in his heart

not reluctantly key phrase here or under compulsion

if you can underline that like or under compulsion for god loves a cheerful giver.

So this is one of the reasons why we need to understand that any type of quote

-unquote charity that is being funded by tax dollars is

antithetical to scripture.

Because all taxation by definite definition is compulsory.

It's taken by force.

It is taken uh you know if not literally at gunpoint.

It's taken under duress with the threat that you could lose everything you own.

You don't pay your income tax.

You go to jail.

You don't pay your property tax.

You have your home taken away from you.

And so taxation uh while there is a biblical theology of taxation and there's a

place for taxation jesus taught that paul taught that so that the government could do what god

created it to do which is punish evildoers and protect the citizens.

Charity was never given to the government because the government doesn't

have any money the government only has what it takes by force from one person to

redistribute to another person.

And so to do that for charity is always unjust.

And it's it's always on biblically unlawful and it's immoral.

And yet you look at the government's involvement in health care that is

government sponsored health related welfare of course you know

standard welfare housing government housing government education whether that be k

-12 public schools or whether that's state colleges and universities all of those things are funded

through a forced redistribution of wealth.

And forced redistribution of wealth is a concept that comes out of marxism and socialism.

It never comes out of scripture.

Scripture teaches very clearly that charity is supposed to be given freely not

reluctantly never under compulsion because god loves a cheerful giver.

So the question then is okay.

So if we're being forced to give to government funded redistribution of wealth under the name of charity.

Yeah even though it's not uh what do we do.

You know do we have to pay that.

Well yes you do.

Because if you don't pay it scripture tells us that they bear the sword and they will punish

those who don't do what they want.

And so you can lose everything and go to jail for not paying your taxes which is a stupid thing to do.

We're told that if we are arrested we should be arrested for something very noble like obeying god and you know

preaching the gospel or something like that not for refusing to pay our taxes.

So we should know though that there are taxes that are just taxes and there are taxes

that are unjust taxes.

And we should not be fooled into thinking that this is a biblical concept.

And so a lot of people have championed this idea that that jesus was a socialist and that

jesus favored government sponsored welfare and forced redistribution of wealth.

And jesus and the apostles opposed it in their teaching.

And so um there's a great article if you want to look it up by lawrence reed you can look it up.

It's uh called is g was jesus a socialist.

Uh was jesus a socialist.

By lawrence reed.

R -e -e -d.

He's with the foundation for economic education.

A great article if you want to learn more about that.

And there's the principle of sowing and reaping in the bible.

Second corinthians 9 6 says whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly.

And whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

Those of you who have ever planted a garden you know that in order to have something come up you have to plant seeds.

If you plant a lot of seeds you're going to be more likely to have a bigger increase or bigger crop.

Plant a few seeds very sparingly.

Then you're going to have a sparse crop.

And so this is true with financial investment as well.

Obviously you can risk a lot and you can lose a lot if you have bad financial investments.

But uh the more sparing sparingly that you invest the less opportunity you have for

reward as well.

And certainly um in terms of spiritual

reward if you are giving sparingly then you're going to reap sparingly in

terms of spiritual reward.

The bible speaks against the concept of usury.

Usury is essentially charging people particularly god's people

interest on loans.

Some people say that it's any interest.

Some people say it's excessive interest.

But at the very least it seems that anything over just a couple of percentage points in the bible

is considered to be usury.

So in nehemiah chapter 5 9 through 11 god's people were commanded not to

charge their brethren interest.

In ezekiel 18 god condemned usury.

Deuteronomy 22 25 says that you were not to charge any interest whatsoever to

someone who was a brother.

There were cases where the israelites were allowed to charge a small interest to foreigners but never to a

fellow israelite.

And then leviticus 24 25 14 and then verses 35 and 39

the israelites were told not to take advantage of other people financially.

So god hates you know unjust weights and measures and he hates usury.

He wants us to be just.

And how we relate to other people.

Another principle that we're warned against in scripture is the concept of surety which is essentially co

-signing loans for other people guaranteeing loan payments for other people.

Proverbs 6 1 through 5 says.

My son if you have put up security for your neighbor and have given your pledge for a stranger

if you are snared in the words of your mouth caught in the words of your mouth then do this my son and save yourself.

For you have come into the hand of your neighbor go hasten and plead urgently with your neighbor.

Give your eyes no sleep and your eyelids no slumber.

Save yourself like a gazelle from the hand of the hunter and like a bird from the hand of a fowler.

The reason for this is that you don't have any control over the decisions of another person.

And so when somebody says i can't afford to buy this car i can't afford to buy this house i can't afford to start

this business i need you to put up surety for me and sign a

co -sign on a loan for me.

You can almost be assured that you will end up having to pay the whole thing off and probably get very

little or no benefit from it yourself.

It's just not a wise thing to do it's it's probably wiser if you actually felt to help a person in that situation just give them

give them the money as a gift.

Because then there may not be the hard feelings that are associated when they fail to live up to their word and they fail to

give back what they promise to give you.

Um this can damage relationships.

And so the bible gives us some warning against doing this.

There's a reason why that person can't get the loan and in most cases it's because

they have a history of making bad financial decisions.

I mean i'll just i'll say here i think there's maybe a place where if you have a a teenager

who has no credit and they're trying to establish credit and get a house get a car and you co -sign

on a loan for them you know maybe that's a good way for them to help establish some credit and be better for them to save up and pay

cash for the car of course as opposed to going in debt for it.

But you need to be prepared as a parent knowing full well that you may be on the hook for the whole thing and if you can't afford to do

that you're not okay with doing that.

Don't do it don't get into a situation like that.

Um so uh finally kind of what is a christian view of money.

Um john wesley said make all you can save all you can and give

all you can.

I think this is the end of my slides here.

Yeah i've got some resources i want to talk about but there's a couple of things that have come to my mind here that i think i have time to

address here.

Um quickly one of the one of the things that

comes to my mind here is where jesus is talking about this principle of

how you can't love riches and go to heaven and he says that it's

it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle

than for a rich man to get into heaven.

And i've been in church my whole life and i've heard so many twists on that particular

topic and and one of the most famous ones is pastors will often go back to some cultural

analogy and they will say well if you go back to the time of jesus uh there was a place in the

walls of jerusalem there was a gate that was called the eye of the needle and the camels

would go through but it was a very low opening and it was so low that in order for the camels to get through

this gate called the eye of the needle they would have to get on their knees and they'd have to take everything off of the camel and then the camel would

have to crawl through on their own.

And this is what i was referring to.

And um i don't know if you've heard that or not i've heard that particular explanation of it.

I actually don't think that's what it's talking about at all.

Um i think sometimes pastors reach a little bit too much and they stretch a little bit too much.

I think that what jesus was saying in that passage where he says it's easier for a camel to go through the

eye of the needle than for a rich man to go into heaven i think is very legitimately honestly

and literally that it's easier for a camel to go through the literal

eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to go into heaven.

And you say well then that's impossible.

Right.

Well that's what the disciple said.

Well then that's impossible.

And jesus said well it is it is impossible with man but with god all things are possible.

And so you say okay.

Well he's talking in riddles here.

What does he mean by that.

Well i think the way that we properly understand that is to think of it in this way if you

are rich and this is got to think carefully about what i'm saying here.

If you are rich you can't go to heaven.

Period.

You go.

Oh that doesn't make sense.

Because look at all the rich people in the bible.

Look at abraham look at david.

You know look at wealthy people today who love jesus and they're saved by grace through

faith.

And they have a lot of money.

You're saying none of them are going to go to heaven.

Well here's what i mean by that.

Let's go back to the parable of the talents and the principle that we talked about with stewardship.

Um the first couple of principles actually that we talked about here.

The first one that god owns everything.

And the second principle being that uh we don't own anything as believers.

And paul talks about this.

He says do you not know that you were bought with a price.

You're not your own.

Therefore glorify god with your body.

So we we don't own ourselves.

In fact paul uses this term called doulas which means slave.

You're a slave to christ.

You don't own anything.

Everything that you have belongs to him.

So how rich is a slave.

Well a slave is completely broke.

Like has nothing.

The master may be really wealthy but the slave has nothing.

When you truly understand stewardship biblical stewardship in the right way you see

that you are are always completely broke.

You have nothing and god has everything.

Again those passages we looked at god owns absolutely everything.

And everything that god gives you whether it's five dollars whether it's five thousand dollars whether it's five million dollars whether it's a

billion dollars it's not yours.

It's all gods.

And so if you're stewarding a billion dollars for god or you're stewarding a

million dollars or or five dollars or fifty dollars for god that's just greater

levels of responsibility.

But you're not rich.

And i think that's what jesus was saying there where he says it's impossible for a rich man to go into heaven.

Why is it impossible for a rich man to go into heaven.

And why did he tell the rich young ruler sell everything that you have give it to the poor.

Then come follow me and you can be my disciple.

And the guy went away sad.

The reason he did not inherit eternal life.

The reason that he did not press into and obtain eternal life was because he owned the stuff it

was his.

And so if you own the things that you have then they don't belong to god.

And if you're holding something back in your life and saying this is mine i own this this does not

belong to god.

I will not give this to god i'm in control here.

Then you are still king of your life.

You are still on the throne of your life.

You have not really surrendered to the lordship of jesus christ.

And i would say you're not saved.

And so you really need to understand what true discipleship is.

True discipleship is that there's one king in the relationship and it's not you.

You don't get to make the decisions for your life.

You don't get to call the shots.

You don't get to be lord of your own life.

Jesus said why do you call me lord lord.

But you don't do what i say.

Because there'll be many who come and at the end of time and say lord lord didn't we do all these things in your name and he'll say depart from

me.

I never knew you you worker of lawlessness.

And so those who belong to him recognize his total and complete authority

over their life and that he owns everything and that they own nothing and that they are merely

caretakers and stewards.

So that person could have access to a lot of

wealth and could have a lot of resources that they steward for god for his kingdom.

But they look at it kind of like rg liturno and stanley tan like this is not mine.

You know god shovels money at me i shovel it back to him.

He has a bigger shovel and so god will provide for your needs.

He will make sure that you have what you need for your provision for your life for your family.

But when you have a true biblical understanding of stewardship it's revolutionary.

And then you truly you know back to what burkett said.

The way that you allocate the way that you spend your time and your resources that he's given you indicates what's in your heart

when you're hoarding.

When you're you know being greedy when you're being covetousness or covetous it's all about you.

And you know you're still functionally the king of your life.

You maybe have given lip service to belonging to christ and being his child but in reality like

you're still very much in control.

And so you should question whether you have actually really surrendered your life to christ.

So i guess that'd be my appeal to you is um you know as you're listening to this if you say wow i i don't know i maybe i

haven't ever really fully surrendered my life to christ and given everything that i have over to him.

And just you know giving him complete control over everything complete control over my bank accounts and

my my house and my resources and my time and my family and everything that he he owns it all

he controls it all.

Uh i encourage you to do that.

And that would be actually the most encouraging and inspiring thing that would come out of a seminar like

this would be you actually coming into a right relationship with the lord jesus christ.

Um and then you know lining your resources and finances with him in that let me

just share a few resources real quickly things that i've written uh some of you don't know much about me or my ministry or

things that i've done.

This is a brand new curriculum published by masterbooks.

It's called foundations in faith.

It's a 36 week bible doctrine curriculum that the publisher has targeted for teenagers

like you know ages 12 to 18.

I actually think it's great for adults but it's a five day a week bible study.

It goes through actually the primary doctrines of the christian faith.

So it talks about who is god and who is man.

And we go through creation and then of course the deity of christ and uh the the

historical uh you know resurrection of jesus and um

justification and sanctification.

And we have a whole thing on in on biblical hermeneutics how to interpret the bible.

Uh in fact that'd be a fun thing to come back and do a whole um another night with you guys on that on

biblical hermeneutics.

If you've never covered that topic i'd be glad to come back and do that with you sometime.

But this is available on our familyrenewal .org website.

This book um questions god asks is a topical bible study through the old testament based on 19

different questions that god asked humans.

I was just doing my own bible reading through the old testament many years ago and kept seeing over and over that god asked people

questions like he asked adam where are you.

And he asked moses what's in your hand.

And he asked elijah in the cave what are you doing here.

And he asked jonah do you have a right to be angry.

And he asked abraham where is your wife sarah.

And so i took these different questions and wrote out uh bible studies based on the

the context and the topics that were being discussed there 19 different questions in the old testament.

Then i wrote a sequel uh questions jesus asks which is 20 questions in the new testament that jesus

asked people.

And jesus was the master of asking questions.

So if you're looking for kind of a devotional or a bible study these are written for adults but they also are

great family read -alouds.

And so these are resources.

There's completely different topics and questions jesus asks and questions god asks.

So between the two it's like 39 completely different topics.

Um this book is called raising them up parenting for christians.

That's actually the name of a facebook discussion group that we have as well.

If you're a christian parent we'd love to have you come join our facebook discussion group just look up the that title raising them up parenting

for christians.

This is a book on the big picture of how to disciple your children from toddler through young adult.

I am the father of 11 children ages 22 down to 2.

My oldest uh is well i have i have five sons and six daughters.

Put it that way.

Um so we have my wife and i have been married um over 24 years.

And um you will i think learn a lot not just you know.

I try not to just share much from my experience because i don't think that's necessarily very beneficial.

But this is a biblical theology of the family.

What did god say about how to parent.

What's a mother's role.

What's a father's role.

How do we discipline our children.

How do we how do we uh encourage them and inspire them and disciple them.

This book my wife and i wrote together.

It's called pitching a fit overcoming angry and stressed out parenting.

This book is actually our bestseller.

Um it's helped thousands of families to get out of the parents in particular to get out of the trap

of habitual anger and stress as it relates to their children.

This book education does god have an opinion.

I think is probably the most comprehensive book on a biblical philosophy of education that you can buy today.

I go through what god has to say about education teaching instruction of children

in the bible.

And it's a lot.

There are a lot of passages in the bible that talk about how god wants us to educate our children.

He's not silent on the issue but it also develops a biblical philosophy of every

subject.

So what is a biblical philosophy of mathematics or history or science or language arts or

logic or music or art and so um yeah this will be i think just a

life -changing book uh for you to change the paradigm of how perhaps you've thought

about education.

And for those of you who are homeschooling or interested in homeschooling this book answers for homeschooling the top 25 questions

critics ask.

Takes the top 25 objections that people raise to homeschooling and reasons why homeschooling

is a bad idea and why you shouldn't do it.

And it debunks all of them with research and statistics and

facts.

My family began homeschooling.

My mother began homeschooling my older sister and i back in 1978.

So we're coming up on what 45 years now of the homeschooling.

Of homeschooling experience.

And uh michael smith the former president of hslea homeschool legal defense association called this

the walmart and costco of homeschool information.

He said that this is um that this book basically answers all of your questions and that you shouldn't have to go to any other

resource to have all of your questions about home education uh answered.

Whether it's uh what how to choose a curriculum.

Am i qualified.

How can i afford to homeschool.

What if i don't have enough patience to homeschool.

What about the single mom.

How can she homeschool.

Uh and my mom actually was a single parent in my teen years.

So i have some authority to speak on that issue.

Um what about sending our children to the public schools to be salt and light.

Shouldn't we be doing that.

And what about socialization.

And what about high school.

And what's dad's role.

And what about college.

And all those questions.

I have chapters on all those things in this book.

Um i'd like to give a gift for those of you who have been part of the webinar if you go to our familyrenewal .org forward slash

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We can do a zoom meeting a live q a webinar presentation something like this

so i'm available as a speaker.

That's what i do.

I've been doing this full time for over 30 years now and so i'm talking a lot of different

types of topics parenting marriage biblical worldview apologetics.

I preach in churches.

I do a lot of sunday morning regular sermon stuff education homeschooling

lots and lots of different topics.

So again love to have you come visit

our tonight on the issue of biblical economics.

I hope some of the ideas have been thought provoking and hopefully helpful for you and reorienting

our thinking to align more to to scripture and less to the the humanistic

viewpoints on wealth and finances that we perhaps were raised with.

Well that's very good i very thought -provoking for me i um i

struggle a lot with finances because my parents were both raised during the depression and they raised us

like we were in the depression and um.

So yes that gave me a lot to think about.

Thank you.

Sorry terry.

Go ahead.

Okay okay.

So um.

Yeah i was gonna say also it was that was a really good presentation.

So um i know i have some experience with um stewardship

because for one thing um you mentioned tim lahaye and and santee area which is where we're

based from um my pastor's david jeremiah which is the same same church and every january he

spends three weeks doing a stewardship series and so that's that's a real blessing.

And then also um you know i i did some part -time work for a financial um

advisor who his ministry was to teach his clients biblical financial stewardship.

So it's been um i i'm putting my stamp of approval on your presentation.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate that very much.

So we do have some questions and then i i have a few um a couple of things also um let's

start with the homeschool.

So um i don't think in our actual group we have a lot of homeschool families but we do have

some i i know that you have made it um i know

that you have very strong feelings about school vouchers and taking funds from the government for

schooling and i actually had hoped to have you talk about that but i realized that maybe that that wasn't the

best thing for our whole meeting tonight but i wonder if you'd like to go ahead and talk about that a.

Little bit right now yeah and i would and i would say that the very first thing is to remember that the government doesn't have any money.

The government only has what it takes by force from some people to redistribute to other people.

And that is actually not something that we find in the scripture.

That's something we find in the communist manifesto so the idea that we should be you know taking money

by force from some citizens to redistribute to other citizens for educational welfare not a biblical idea.

That's a marxist idea.

So that's the very first thing i would say about second thing is whatever the government pays for it

controls.

And so with government funding comes government regulation.

I have an article if you go to familyrenewal .org and then go to our blog i think the

latest article on there is on rethinking school choice because it's actually the

republican party that is pushing school choice which is very ironic but i would encourage

you to definitely think twice on that issue.

So there's a bunch of links in that one article to other resources.

So if you want to do a deep dive go to familyrenewal .org go to the blog and find that article on school choice

and i think that'll help you.

But there's already a bunch of examples and i point to them in that article of places

where christian schools have been taking school vouchers and the government's coming after them new york city

the hasidic schools there alberta canada utah.

In fact you're going to have alex newman on.

Alex newman is a guy who's a wealth of information on that and he just wrote an

article on the utah situation where as soon as utah started doing these esas and

providing government funding that the legislators immediately are trying to come in with regulation.

So so basically rather than expanding educational freedom and opportunity what it does is it expands government

control expands government control over areas that are currently free.

We already have educational choice.

We don't need educational choice.

We have educational choice.

We have private schools.

We have home schools.

We have co -ops we have hybrids.

We have cottage schools.

We have all kinds of online opportunities.

We have lots and lots.

We have a smorgasbord of endless variations of school choice.

So that's not the issue.

It's it's a myth to say we need school choice.

You have a choice.

You have lots of choices.

What you're saying is i want government money.

That's what it's code for that.

It's code for i want government money.

And with the government money comes the government control and you can't control the content of what you

teach.

And you will have to teach the lgbtq affirming curriculum.

You will have to teach their standards.

You will have to have their standardized testing.

You'll have to comply with all their regulations.

And basically you become a government school.

And so i think what happens is basically private schools and home schools just become branches or arms of the government.

We don't want that.

It's it's like the one freedom bastion that we have our privately funded christian schools and

home schools.

We don't want government control over that.

So um so yeah i i think you you need to think more deeply about this issue.

And again if you read the the blog article and the links that are inside of it at my website familyrenewal

.org.

Forward slash blog.

I think you'll find it to be very helpful.

Terry had told me about your stance on that and i did some investigation into it

and um you're you're absolutely right.

And i was i went to our office in orlando on tuesday and we have some guy from

england who who is living here and working here and he has his kids in a private

school and um another guy was saying well you could send him to a charter

school and not pay so much.

And then i i broke out your information on them and the guy from england agreed that the private school

was the best.

Well yeah it's it's.

Definitely something i think most people just have never really thought about and um it's something i've given thought to for a long time in

fact.

Um i i found a quote for myself from an article that i wrote in 1994 uh

where i said i i believe that you know the the biggest threat on the horizon for private education

is is not going to be that the federal government is going to to take away our liberties by

force.

We're going to give away our liberties by accepting government money.

Uh i said that in 1994 you know so going on 30 years now so i've been banging the drum for a.

While yeah and i i homeschooled my son as a single mom and and

in california you know public charter schools are a real big option for for homeschooling and and

they'll and they'll even tell you oh it's okay if you use um don't ask don't tell yeah i

mean they're really.

But it really it robs it robs families of the joy of true christian homeschooling.

So i know the director of rpsp she um was really passionate about that so i learned that

also.

So um i appreciate your your input on that.

And and we do have a question from somebody here in our zoom.

Um what about.

What about when it comes to special needs children what are your thoughts about taking government assistance for

helping with those.

You know that's a very difficult situation.

Because unfortunately the christian community has not provided nearly the resources and

um the the information that we should uh for homeschoolers i would highly recommend going to

hslda's website homeschool legal defense association hslda .org

if you become a member of hslda they have a whole branch of um that helps special

needs students and so there's a lot of resources available for them.

Um i would i would like to say that you know i'd like to see the day where we have a lot more options that are

privately funded um but but there are often times where you can find resources that you don't

have to go to the government.

I'll just throw out something like we had a son who needed speech therapy and we were like oh you should go to the government because

government offers speech therapy it's government funded.

Well we found a private christian college that had a speech therapy

class at the at the school and then students who were learning to become speech therapists and they

said our students want practice working with real children with issues you know speech

issues.

So if you bring your students to our class and let our students at our christian university

work with your students we can give you speech therapy for like twenty dollars an hour which is you know

nothing and so we got great quality speech therapy through a christian

university for twenty dollars an hour.

Because we were helping their students and they were helping our children our child and it was just a wonderful fit.

So there's i think oftentimes resources that we don't look into and that we don't investigate

because our first thought is run to the government because they're our savior you know and the government should be our first you know run to

the government nanny to take care of all of our needs.

And quite often there are resources that are available that are affordable.

There's not enough and we need to do better there.

But but again you know if you go the government route then they control it and there's

there's a lot of negative things that sometimes go with plugging into that system as well.

You often don't have control over your child anymore.

You know they view it as this is our child because we're.

Funding your your child.

Yeah i can appreciate your insight on that.

So um okay.

So by the way you mentioned hermeneutics and we did have a speaker come and talk to us about

hermeneutics but it's been like three years so we're due for another one

so maybe next year we'll bring you back for that.

That'd be fun.

So um so we would like to hear hear that we have open dates in october.

Oh that's right we do.

I'll be in touch.

I have your people contact my people i'm looking here.

I found the chat here and i see robin mentioned that she took andrew rapaport's class on hermeneutics.

Okay let me just tell you please if you get a chance to send a note to andrew and tell him that israel

said he thinks it's terrible how much people pick on him and that israel thinks he that he is very.

Misunderstood he does get picked on a lot and but his his hermeneutics class was

so good it was i don't 15 weeks long and it was two hours once a week and but it was really good

and i will pass.

That on.

Yeah he'll think he'll think that's funny.

Okay uh.

Next next up.

Um i want to ask you so are you familiar with the website secondvote .org.

And um.

Okay.

And so i i noticed that you didn't spend much time um really addressing in your presentation about

ways that christians can um avoid funding

things that are not in god's will.

I guess that's the best way that i could.

Phrase yeah so i have an article i'm trying to think of how to um how to get it to you

guys.

Um but it's called beyond boycotting to stewardship.

That's the name of the article beyond boycotting to stewardship by israel wayne.

And it's on a website called illinois family institute and so i have the whole blog

article that i've written on that topic.

And basically what i say is you know i don't like the caricature of us as always being angry

reactionary christians and like oh we got miffed and offended by something so we're gonna stomp off and

boycott this or that and you're not gonna see our money.

It's but i don't think that's the right posture.

I think it's the right attitude for us.

But basically fundamentally whatever we fund with our dollars grows and

whatever we don't fund with our dollars shrinks.

And so i think it's fascinating how christians seem to be tenaciously committed to

funding their ideological enemies.

And they don't fund their ideological allies.

Atheists don't do that.

Atheists fund their their allies and they try to starve their enemies financially.

Um but you know christians will support corporations

and i don't know that i need to name them.

But christians will fund corporations who hate christians who hate god

who hate christ.

And we will spend thousands and thousands of dollars with them joyfully.

Um when we have other options you know and i understand like you can't possibly you know boycott every living

thing on the planet.

That's bad.

I get that you have to buy gas somewhere and you have to buy groceries.

And i get it so.

But but there are companies who have planted a flag in the ground and say we are anti -christian and christians will fund

them for thousands of dollars a year uh joyfully.

And yet there are christian organizations that are underfunded and and another another group that is really

good at this concept of buying within your own philosophical neighborhood are mormons.

Uh mormons love to make money on from non -mormons but they spend it inside their own community.

So they will get you know hundreds of millions of dollars.

And and one of the biggest funders of the mormon church right now is evangelicals.

We're buying their movies.

We're buying their homeschool curriculum.

We are funding uh their entertainment and the and that all funds their

missionaries who knock on the door and show up with another revelation another testimony of a

revelation testament of a revelation of jesus christ which is a false gospel.

We we fund their evangelism and they don't do that.

They don't reciprocate that they they love evangelical money and they spend their money in house.

Christians could just be a lot more shrewd in that way.

You know like jesus said that the children of darkness are often more shrewd than the children of light.

We spend hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars as a christian community every year

supporting and building up our ideological enemies.

And uh they don't do that.

They don't spend it in our you know direction.

So.

Well if i could just um you know like make a clip of that last few minutes of

your talk and show it to everybody in the world i would love that i

just it it really i feel very passionate.

Some of the people in here know too because because i was taught god put me through a season of my life where i've been

taught so so um thoroughly.

How important it is that we use his resources in ways that please him that we

glor that we worship the lord with this with the resources he's given us.

So yes for sure.

Um okay.

So um we do have another question here.

If somebody is wanting to make a change in their life to start looking more

um more from a biblical perspective of how to get their own finances in order what would you

recommend as a good.

Place to start.

We have a couple of uh great resources on our web store so if you go to familyrenewal .org forward slash

store um you can get there's something we call the economics bundle which are like three

books for 30 something like that uh which are great.

Two of them are kind of on macroeconomics and one is on microeconomics um and that would be a really

great place.

I think i would recommend for you to to go.

One of the books there on microeconomics is called for the love of.

It says for love of money but money is scratched out and says god over the top so for the love of god.

But it's actually a really good book kind of on um microeconomics on budgeting

and you know how to how to manage your daily finances.

But then the other ones kind of give you the big picture on how to think about economics from a biblical framework on a more

macro level.

Um so so those resources would be good.

I just put a link in the chat session there for our store um and so people could go check out

just type in like economics or money uh in the search feature of our web store and things

should come up there.

I'm not mentioned howard dayton too in the comments.

Uh uh larry briquette started christian financial resources and then joined with howard

dayton to form crowd financial resources so howard dayton was kind of the successor uh to

larry briquette great great resources from howard dayton.

As well i had a quick um.

How do you feel about the dave ramsey.

Um yeah i generally like dave.

Dave didn't have the kind of biblical i mean not dave's a christian but they dave doesn't

have the same kind of biblical foundation that larry briquette did.

Um dave's practical and i think he does a lot of good in telling people

that they're that they're stupid to be spending their money the way they are.

He's uh he's kind of the no -nonsense tough love guy that helps people get out of financial um

bad financial patterns.

So i like dave ramsey overall.

Um but i i wish that we had someone on the scene right now.

That was more of the larry briquette because briquette had the uh the great principles but also

the biblical.

Why behind it that i don't.

I don't see that dave has the handle on that quite as as much.

But yeah generally i like him.

I think his personality you either like it or you don't.

But um you know generally he's pointing in.

The right direction.

I've been told i could teach his class.

Yeah i have a hard time spending money.

That's not all bad.

No.

And i also put um the same thing the link that you put and the and the article

um i posted them into the comments on okay facebook as well on our video feed

um including the article.

It was not hard to find to search for the article and find it so i put a link there.

Um but but we're going to wrap up our time on our live stream and recording.

So if you want to just tell people one more time how they can find you and and support you.

Yeah so i'm on all the social media platforms you know.

Wherever you hang out look me up.

I would love to connect with you there.

If you ever want to write to me personally and have something get to me.

Probably facebook messenger is the best way to do that because i'll actually see it.

Um and then uh our website again it's familyrenewal .org and

we would love to uh to connect with you there.

There's a contact form on the website as well if you have any questions.

Um and so i appreciate you letting me get on here and share.

It's been delightful uh.

You have a great group here and so i'm glad you let me be part of your community.

For.

The evening yeah it's been a blessing to have you.

So and um again we are creation fellowship santee and you can find links to most of our past

presentations by typing in tinyurl .com forward cf

santee that's c for creation f for fellowship and santee is spelled s -a -n -t

-e -e.

You can also email us at creationfellowshipsantee at gmail .com.

And next week we're going to be taking off so that we can um i think some people might be traveling.

And also we're going to be celebrating the sacrifice that jesus made by um dying

on the cross for our sins and defeating death.

But when we come back in two weeks we're um we have a couple of speakers right off the bat that are going to be

good topics.

We have alex newman returning to us to talk to us about cop his visit to cop 27 and the

new 10 commandments of climate change.

And then also we have judge saul from persecuted equipping the persecuted and he's going to be

talking to us um bringing a message from persecuted christians.

So those are a couple of big presentations you won't want to miss.

So with that we're going to go ahead and sign off for for our.