Matt Slick Q&A - 11/15/17

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I see gonna do it this way all right so nobody got any questions or comments you guys got any questions to go yes okay questions the what room the war okay move the war room yeah yeah yeah that's a that's a bad thing to do okay okay

I've done a lot worse yeah the proper way to address demonic forces by asking the

Lord Jesus to deal with them yeah because what they're doing inadvertently when they are praying and they address

Satan as they're praying to Satan and they don't mean to do that in that sense but that's what they're doing so I remember remember in that film that they did that I remember going no no no no and this is one of the examples of problems that occur when people don't run thing by run things by people who know stuff

I'm not saying I'm the one but there are lots of people out there who know theology a lot better than I do and they you know they should run things by here's our script here's this anything heretical in here do not have a pray to Satan you know pray to Jesus the

Lord Jesus please I'm asking you to rebuke the evil one that's what I did earlier tonight when

I opened up in prayer and the only time I ever say to anybody you can address him directly is if he's right there directly if there's this demonic manifestation and they would eat so rebuke you get out of here you know things like that that's right there so it's it's it's wrong to do that exorcism yeah yeah exorcisms are real oh yeah well exorcisms first of all are done in Matthew chapter 12 verse 22 to 32 for one thing it's done it's actually it's a biblical thing who can do it a

Christian the Christian Christians have the authority generally you don't want to do something like that alone there's no rule in the

Bible you have to have 3 .8 people there and you have to stand up facing north there's no rules we have the authority as the children of God to call the name of Christ and to as many as received him to them he gave the authority the right to be called the children of God that's

John 112 so generally speaking for those

I've never been involved with it but for those I've heard about and seen they generally have all have one two three four people involved praying because sometimes there's physical manifestations strength abnormal strength manifestations things like that and so sometimes you just got to be be strong that way

Christians cannot be possessed though but you know if I were to encounter someone who

I thought was actually demon possessed depending on the circumstances I may or may not try it on my own but on one hand

Matthew 12 43 or 42 or 43 43 I think it begins the pericope where when a demon is cast out and it goes out to the dry places and not finding a place to rest it comes back and finding the house clean and empty it then enters clean means it's been cast out empty the

Holy Spirit's not there so that's what I understand it to be and so I would not cast a demon out of someone if they didn't want to become a

Christian and you need Jesus what you want Jesus yes I do okay let's go you know and no

I don't want him you're on your own I'm not gonna cast it out because the scriptures say be worse off now

I don't know if anybody would ever you know go of course he'd cast it out oh the Bible says it'd be worth worse

I'm not gonna do that I never heard anybody bring that up but that's me so cannot be possessed right

Christians cannot be possessed there are some people who will say you have a trichotomy and dichotomy trichotomy is the person is spirit soul and body dichotomy is spirit and soul are basically the same thing and then body the spirit soul are interchangeable

I lean towards dichotomy because of the interchangeability but whatever and so some people will say well the spirit can be possessed but not the soul or the soul can be possessed but not the spirit you know or the body could be possessed but not the spirit you know

I've heard of Christians who this is for real in the hyper charismatic movement

Southern California heard about Christians who every morning when they wake up and sleep would cough the demons out of their mouths and out of their souls by coughing them into into rags and Kleenex and throw them in the trash yeah because demons got in because they're sleeping with their mouth opens demons got in there oh yeah oh yeah

I encountered it yeah it's like are you serious you know so since you did a

Ouija board stuff have you closed that door praise God how can that green things on your shoulder crawling around looking

I don't know I'm just making it up making it up I got you for a second though that's right steps away once I was teaching at a high school or some high school kids at some place

I was teaching a whole bunch of stuff and there's like 30 kids you know young like mid -teens ish and I was telling some of my occult days my stories about seeing demonic manifestations and stuff and I was

I was watching them and it first were like this after while they're like this and then they're like it's okay

I've totally got them right they're like I'm telling the story I'm realizing that they're I got them

I mean they're totally into this and it's all real and so I'm saying and that you won't believe what happened like that and these girls oh man

I had him and all the guys are laughing at the girls the girls are they screamed and they're laughing we all had a big kick out of it you know what is that you know

I'll do it to my wife sometimes like I still do it after all these years of marriage okay in the computer just hit delete she looks at me it's okay hit delete she goes don't do it it's alright it's just good and she works every time okay sorry

I'm digressing quite a bit you're gonna ask a question go for it where do you draw the line between saying that they're preaching a different Jesus versus them just saying

Jesus but they're just wrong about it yeah yeah yeah a

Mormon is in Mormonism God is an exalted man from another planet and so Jesus is the brother of the devil and to us the pre -existence well that ontological difference between the

Jesus of the scriptures which is the incarnation of the eternal word no God is no no

God man and all that kind of stuff pre -existence from another planet so that is an ontological descriptive difference so that they're different so that you can clearly say but what if you have someone who who just doesn't know anything they're not saved by doctrine but but doctrine comes along because person's regenerate so what

I'll do is I just ask people where they're at you know why don't believe the Trinity okay do you know what it is yeah it's three gods

I've had this conversation with people who are Christians you know well no it's not it's not and they don't know

I teach them no it's this and this well where's that in the Bible let me show you and they go oh okay

I believe that so you know things like that you know you just when people say they don't believe certain things

I ask more questions and maybe just they just don't know and then there's this ambiguous kind of you know gray area well maybe they know maybe they don't know what

I generally as a rule will say if they continue to reject the truth after being taught the truth that's a sign that they may not be saved but doesn't mean they're not saved because sometimes they could just be resisting it and it might take a few weeks or months so it's a tough one differently you know the one with long hair and he's from Africa yeah you know like I'm just you're not those are lies about you

I'm referring to you but those are lies about you. I guess I'm just trying to figure out where would you draw a line.

you got it you exemplified you know very well how to find out the difference it's because someone says they believe in the

Jesus the Bible doesn't mean they do so you have to know what the doctrine of Christ is a doctrine of God is and then knowing that that you know for example

Jesus has two natures both God and man and he's the divine nature is eternal and so they'll say no so then you you point out that point no even though they say they believe in the

Jesus of the Bible so for example many people would say to me out there we believe in the Jesus of the Bible really you do yes we do can you pray to him because the

Jesus of the Bible is prayed to can you pray to him you have to do something quick and slick you can't go theologically deep and so you know we pray to the

Father but the Jesus in the Bible the true Jesus is prayed to you know first Corinthians 1 verse 1 and 2

John 14 14 you know Acts 7 55 through 60 there's these places where he's prayed to and it's all show them that and you know or quote it to them and they don't know so they see if you have the

Jesus of the Bible you go to pray to him just like the real Christians did with the real Jesus in the Bible that's how

I'll word it try and get him to think okay oh no problem hey that's what well that's you know

I don't know I feel research that it's just something you know camel routes from 3 ,000 beasts you know oh

I don't know right through compression of weight and carrying a weight in their bones then you know increase the bone density increases well that just means the ones they found were like that doesn't mean that they haven't found all of them or camels weren't domesticated there's a lot of counter issues that could be raised generally speaking you'll find critics find whatever information they can that suits their position and refuse to see it alternate explanations they're not objective so you know just do some homework and see if you can find issues like that yeah it's not very much so that's where you might need to write to biblical archaeology review and start asking questions like that that's very esoteric so it's something that might need to be researched in that sense yeah could be there's all kinds of questions and that's one of them how you know they carry the same amount of weight you know how do you know how do you know they weren't domesticated because the compression wasn't the same that's it it's so subjective looking at the evidence so yeah that's not true no they found the

King Solomon stables they found I actually was in Jerusalem and saw was right next to one of the foundation areas of David's cat or castle would you call it palace

I was right there and that's when the tour guide said look down the hill and you can see the rooftops and now you can see where Bathsheba would have been

I went oh yeah you can I could see how you could see her naked you know kind of thing and so it's just been the tour later we can watch you never know once I guess you gotta pay extra for that Oh temple veil yeah the death of Christ we said no one saw the veil was was rent tombs are open and many bodies of the

Saints had fallen asleep were raised okay and they appeared to many so I would just say to them this is my famous response so was it proof nothing because you can have response you have things written in the

Bible that don't occur other places and vice versa just because something isn't isn't taken all over the place doesn't mean that it's not true it's this is this is faulty logic on on their parts like sometimes people will say well the killing of the babies in in Bethlehem that would have been recorded all over the place and I say why would have been recorded all over the place why how big was

Jerusalem was Bethlehem how many babies were in Bethlehem at the time Bethlehem was a small area how many babies were there five ten

I don't know with the Romans really concerned about something that happened I've had in Bethlehem a little sheep herding place what's the big deal wasn't recorded so it didn't happen really it's faulty thinking on their part it was in the

Bible yeah but they mean extra biblical stuff and there are plenty you can go to my website there's some archaeological verifications of cities and places and things like that inscriptions and stuff there is a lot of biblical archaeological evidence to support a lot

I'm just saying it there really is look to for okay sure itself is dubious

I will not use that but focus on the rules of this census when the

Romans ordered a census to register people and properties they did it for administrative administrative mainly taxing purposes they wanted to know okay ask this guy what website is he getting this on no he's getting it on website he's not doing his own research he's just going to anti -christian websites and citing stuff and saying here this this is not deal with it it's always doing yeah because he's he did trucking he didn't learn it on his own he got it from his anti they exist out there all right so there's census issues

I'm not a specialist on census but you know if you think about this so here's so this is really bad here's

Italy and Greece and Egypt here's the Nile the

Nile River right here and you know the Rock of Gibraltar and stuff like that okay really bad drawing here's

Israel this is Rome all right you had to go around like this I don't the distances but we're talking you know a thousand miles 2 ,000 miles

I don't know maybe someone can look it up that is far to go from here to here across water was expensive and dangerous now one of the things that they did was they allowed the the

Romans allowed the Jews to worship their own

God because there was a practice in Rome called Cesaro Papism and Cesaro Papism was worship of the

Emperor the Jews weren't going to do that so the reason bringing this up is because this area right here is very important geographically and strategically to get from here to here if you didn't have this a lot of money to go through boats you walked and this is where you walk because there were deserts here and here and some areas here and so you'd walk across like this so this is a strategic area which is why

God put them there it's a whole nother issue so that would be a central area when the gospel occurred and they could go out everywhere but nevertheless so the point is what the

Roman Empire did was gave them a pass on a lot of things because of where they were and they were a fish they were strong people so Rome allowed them to serve who they wanted to serve and do various things and so that's why they had tax collectors because they work in the language of the place in times like that the

Jews didn't like it so how do you know how do they know what the requirements were of census stuff in that sliver of land at that time when the

Jews were very very prominently concerned with their genealogies how do they know so you see there's just so much information these people

I've dealt with this kind of stuff before and done research on these kind of questions and you know it's just they only do enough research to find what they want they don't do any more and then they go to websites that have a half -baked question they think is a stumper and then they present it and when every time this is what

I say to them a lot I haven't encountered them lately but what I'll say to them is I'll say you want me to do your homework for you you think this is a killer question

I've got hundreds of Bible difficulties answered on the website on Karn and I said have you looked at any counter -arguments going anywhere or you just find what you want and you just ask it and then you want me to do your homework for you and if I do a homework

I've done this before where I've they've asked a question I happen to have done the research on that particular issue on the website read it they don't even they don't go oh that's that's an awesome answer they go well whatever hey how about this one you're not interested in truth they're not interested in answers they're only interested in the purpose of trying to destroy the

Christian faith and that's what I said look I'm not a dialogue with you because all you're gonna do is go to these places and list out whatever people say and then you're gonna fire

Matt and if I can't answer everything then Christianity is not true that's not how it works if I do answer you just ignore it and go on to something else it's not an issue of truth it's an issue of motive this is what you got to deal with with them a lot of times

I've had a lot of dealings with people like that it's a great unfortunate okay this is question the same guy yeah you know okay the guy you need to tell the guy he needs to start doing some serious homework because he doesn't know what he's doing he is searching for anything and everything to reject

Christ that's all he's doing Gnosticism was hinted at in first John 4 first John 4 was written by John the

Apostle the one who says that Christ has not come in the flesh is not of God that was a Gnostic principle in Gnosticism there were different levels of deity and God was so above the material world that he had to have go -betweens in order to manifest himself and have his word and so the

Gnostics from Gnosis to know hidden knowledge so they would say they had secret rituals and secret this and secret that and yes there were

Gnostic influences and it was addressed and rejected in the book first John particularly in verse

John chapter 4 also in Colossians Jesus says in him there was all the fullness of deity in bodily form this is written by Paul the

Apostle John was written by John the Apostle so the issues refuting Gnosticism were right there and present furthermore

Gnosticism said that God could not become incarnate but yet the incarnation is clearly taught in the four

Gospels and in the epistles so the idea of Gnostic Gospels later on being rejected because of Constantine is just stupid it is stupid incidentally

I've been to Nicaea I've been in the last council church

I walked in it was cool it's a mosque the disciple okay he's just rambling on the this has already been answered refuted by the fact that the

Gospels themselves show the incarnation of God in flesh that refutes Gnosticism Colossians does the first John does so you know he can say what he wants but the idea that the later movement is the issue isn't the issue it was already dealt with and refuted by the epistles and here's one of the things you can do is to ask him can you show me that documentation and what you can do is you can shut him up by just saying look

I want that documentation for example that Jesus taught Thomas this stuff the gospel of Thomas show me the documentation and he'll say okay

I'll go get it you won't get it because there isn't any he might have a suit was called pseudo epigraphal document pseudo epigraphal false writing the gospel of Thomas the church knew what the

Gospels were and there's four and there's four for a reason and I sometimes I go to explain that but asking us to document that this is what it was that Jesus actually did teach him because the early church certainly didn't accept that now the early church was there at a time a place of Christ and the disciples were there and they didn't believe that why is this guy believing it now this is where I get on these people because I have had a lot of dealings with people like that they don't care about facts and truth they only want something to negate

Christianity with and when I present answers to them they ignore it just dismiss it and go on to something else and that's what

I start talking to them so you are disingenuous if you really want to have a discussion then let's sit down and have a discussion and I said

I can cross -examine you and let's see how you do they don't want to do that and they are the troublemakers they are

I call them trolls they just troll that's all they are trolls so I call you invite them absolutely invite them how would he know there's no archaeological evidence yes no all archaeological evidence to say there's none and those videos we talked about earlier on Netflix that talk about some of the evidence that's there there is evidence but if it's not going to fit their worldview you see evidence is an abstraction evidence is a concept and evidence if you have a worldview or you have a theory or a desire for something and you don't believe it's gonna work put this way

I was watching the Elizabeth Smart thing last couple nights I guess watch that where she got abducted you heard about that she was abducted as 11 year old girl and raped at 11 year old and kept for nine months and this guy was just you know and the police made a mistake in that they had their eyes on one guy and some other evidence came out but because they were so focused on this one guy that they ignored the evidence over here because they were focused and I can understand why because of the profile he fit the profile this other guy didn't and so they ignored him as potential and the evidence about him so this everybody does this everybody's guilty one way or another something like this nobody's perfect but the thing is the concept is that evidence is an abstraction and something becomes evidence if we have a mental framework that it fits into if our framework is altered this way it doesn't fit therefore it's not evidence and so the issue becomes the presuppositional base to which evidence can or cannot fit so is this microphone evidence

I love my wife no is it evidence that I'm I'm on the internet talking people are hearing me yes and so it is evidence in one concept or one context but not evidence that another and this is how it works so generally at this point what

I'll talk about with them is what's your your worldview that requires certain kinds of evidence and what evidence would work and then you start examining that because I found out that these kind of guys they don't care you don't care about what the evidence is because their worldview doesn't is shifted such a way that it doesn't matter the evidence what you give them doesn't work and so then

I just jump on them about that I've had so many dealings with people like that seriously they're irritating you don't care

I tell you what go on your phone go to Google type in evidence Exodus video and to see what comes up and I watched it's on Netflix it's a very good documentary done by archaeologists and they have different views on some of what the evidence is but they do a have you seen that we've got this big wall and then they shift a timeline you ever seen that it's really well done and so you could say go look at that go watch it now is it evidence yes it is there's historical stuff how are you gonna make it fit well some archaeologists don't like it but there's some compelling reasons to adopt it but one of the reasons some of the archaeologists don't like it is because they have a committed worldview and so they can't shift because it would mean that that what they've held belief to be true so many other areas can't be true and if you believe in it there is no evidence for the

Exodus because you believe it could not have happened and did not have happened it's just impossible it doesn't matter what the evidence is you're gonna adapt in a manner contrary to that it's a actual cult mentality and there's a phenomenon in psychology called snapping where people will believe something just because they believe it and the people will believe for different reasons they'll snap for different reasons but once someone snaps it's very difficult to get them unsnapped and so it happens not only in religious cults but also in secular ideologies and people don't realize that the secularists are not immune to this so what they'll do is they'll adopt evolution they'll adopt atheism they'll adopt a website that gives them all the tough questions that they like and say see a snap it doesn't matter what you give me that's what this says it can't be true and so if you say hey there's a

Netflix video go look it up it doesn't matter about that because it can't be true how do you know and so then you find out that their motives are really skewed that's what you got to do a search for motives at this point yes recorded because it did not reflect that he was a good prince or leader so the exodus will not be recorded because it did not reflect favorably on Egypt and you know the pharaoh

I mean they will scratch out other pharaohs existence because it didn't fit the new pharaohs worldview so it's propaganda not necessarily history so you have to be careful when you look at their information you have to remember that that light good point last point that he made last one

I personally thought was the silliest but okay I didn't know the answer to the other ones

I just hadn't heard it before but he said that how can you believe, oh my gosh,

I gotta read it, I don't want to misquote it, um, alright, um,

I also want to reference the complete lack of historical evidence for the exodus as well as the existence of the flood in the books written thousands of years before the

Bible so basically there was recorded the flood was recorded in history prior to Moses' writings which

Yeah, so? It didn't happen during Moses' time, so Yeah, so? So I can write about Abraham Lincoln Right, right

But I wasn't alive when he was there, I can write about him, I can get documents, but that's what's the big deal

People don't know that every culture has a flood story, every one of them, a major flood story, and one thing

I'd like to bring up is that the most ancient Chinese culture, you know, 6 ,000 years old, the ancient hieroglyphic pictographic thing for a boat is a boat with a number 8 and mouth, 8 people in a boat, why 8?

That's how many were in Noah's Ark So, we have ancient evidences, he's just going to reject them all

You know, how do you have a sedimentary rock on top of mountains all over the world? This is one of the evidences of the flood

You know, I'd ask him, have you done any counter -research to see for answers? No And I often ask him, do you believe in evolution?

Yes, why? Because it's true Have you looked at any counter -arguments? Of course not Ah, so you're really not interested in facts, are you?

And they say, oh, you're just dismissing me I want to have a discussion with somebody I can reason with, not with someone who's religiously committed to their atheistic position

And I say, if you really want to get into a discussion on truth and the nature of truth, let's have a discussion and I'll show you that your worldview is self -refuting

You know, but they don't want that There's a place called

PalTalk, I've had a lot of these discussions over the years Lots, many, many, many, many hours

And so, I'm very familiar with this kind of person And, you know, he comes in,

I'll treat him nicely But the real issue is, it's not a desire for facts

It's a desire to win and to disseminate false information and insufficient information in order to bolster his position

It's a motive issue I've encountered many of them, and they often get hostile But when they're behind a computer, they do

But face -to -face, they don't He would also weigh in to all of his statements by saying that these things weren't true without any reasonable doubt

Who's that, the same guy? Yeah, the same guy Without any reasonable doubt?

How old is this guy, 17? Wouldn't be reasonable in his opinion Right, that's subjective

He's older than me Well, reasonable doubt, you know, that's a subjective thing You know,

I would say, I think beyond any reasonable doubt, your IQ is below 100 And, you know, it's my opinion, but it's beyond any reasonable doubt

He said, historically, not true beyond reasonable doubt Right, every time he was getting... Yeah, I was after every one of those points

Oh, beyond reasonable doubt, really? Oh, what is reasonable doubt? Oh, wow

Yeah, how old is he? Obstreperous Yeah, he's just being recalcitrant, obstreperous, obtuse, and has severe myopic rigidity

How do you spell that? T -H -A -T T -H -A -T Gotcha Some people go, like, what is that?

It's a demonstrative pronoun What's the problem? Questions?

Alright, where is it, YouTube or? Both, but one guy, he asked right off the bat in the beginning

Someone was claiming that Jesus' story is just Odin And he's heard of Osiris before, but never

Odin Would that be the same argument? Well, there's two ways to tackle this

One is to go into particular details and learn about Osiris and Odin And they've had others, and I've written about a couple of them

And whenever I've done this, I've discovered that the documentation for these others are extremely spurious

And not very accurate, and they have been altered and borrowed information from other places

So one of the things I will do is, the other way I'll say, so you're saying then That because you're saying that Christianity borrowed from the idea of Odin Or Osiris, or whatever, because they were before Christianity That's what they all say, that it came before Christianity, and therefore

Let's see And therefore Christianity borrowed from that Right, right, and that's what they're saying

Well, similarity does not mean that one borrowed from another And so here's an article

I wrote years ago Are New Testament themes found in the Old Testament? Because the issues of the

Old Testament were written before Osiris, before Odin, before all these others And this is what's in the

Old Testament The ascension of Jesus to the right hand of God Atonement by blood Baptism Only begotten

Son The creative work The crucifixion Damnation and salvation Eternal Son First and last

God among his people Incarnation of God Monotheism Only begotten Son Priesthood of Jesus Resurrection of Christ Return of Christ Sacrifice of the

Son Salvation by grace Sin offering Sin offering made outside the camp Sin offering without defects

Son of God Substitutionary atonement Trinity Virgin birth And worship of Jesus So these themes are in the

Old Testament I've got the references You can go to the articles And you can see the Old Testament references

So I'll say, look If your argument is that Jesus is here

And Osiris and Odin are before And therefore this borrowed from here Well then you have a problem

Because these concepts are before this as well So therefore by your logic They borrow from the Old Testament We win

See, that's one of the ways to do that People, you know, go to my website

Go to CARM Look up our New Testament themes Found in the Old Testament Just type in the word theme

T -H -E -M -E And you can find the article And you can see And you can click on things and look

See, I've done the homework Okay, here's a quick one

Just to get it out of the way Dennis Prager Oh, I was at an atheist convention

When he debated a guy And I thought he did pretty well He speaks

Russian And, you know, he did okay He's a good guy Okay Ready for the next?

Yes Facebook Nelson Oliver Hi Matt What is your opinion on pastors

Who have not been trained in seminary Leading to a degree? If they're called of God They do a good job

They're faithful to the word They study Praise God They don't need a seminary degree To be a pastor I think it's helpful to get a degree

And learn a lot more than you normally would But it's not a necessity Dodie Mendoza from YouTube asks

Isn't John 17 -16 a good verse to cite To those who deny the deity

And eternal nature of Christ Okay, John 17 -16

They are not of the world Even as I am not of the world For the deity of Christ And eternality

I'm not of the world What does it mean That I'm not of the world Always define your terms

I would not use that As a verse for the deity of Christ To say

I'm not of the world What does it mean And it would probably have to do With the issue of you know

Sinfulness The carnality of the world Jesus is not of that Wouldn't necessitate that He was divine though But you know

Something I said? Yeah See you guys

God bless Alright Have me come over to your place sometime And I'll mess all you guys up Sounds good

Alright Peter on YouTube He follows your radio program

Also he has been attending a church With no woman pastors But they have just made a woman pastor

For the children's ministry What is your view? Take a can of hairspray

And a lighter And go up That wouldn't be a good idea probably

Need to tell them not to do that They need to stop doing that Why do they need to do that?

Well because the Bible says The pastors are elders First Timothy 5 -17 Elders will be the Miesguenikos on air

Or Andre Miesguenikos Man of one woman That's First Timothy 3 1 -6 talks about that Titus 1 -5 -7

Talks about that in the Greek The elder which is a pastor Pastor is an elder I should say Is to be the husband of one wife

Or a man of one woman And so that cannot fit a woman And so the term pastor is a shepherd

And pastors preach And that's an elder's job So a woman can't do that So by calling her a pastor

Of the children What they're doing is making two mistakes One, they are saying that she's qualified To be a pastor leader

In a position, that's wrong It's against scripture And two, people get used to her

Being called a pastor of children Then they're conditioned to Accept a woman pastor on the low level

They move out of town Go to another liberal church Where there's a woman pastor Hey! Let's just join right in And so that church needs to stop it

I'd be glad to talk to them And politely teach them What the Bible actually says And they won't like it

Because they don't want to hear That's what they're doing That they don't know But if someone were to actually listen

And say, oh you're right We shouldn't do that Well praise God But my experience has been

That when you rattle that cage The tiger comes out And I've had two instances

Where I went to two churches locally here And addressed the churches About their women pastors and elders

And the first one They called the cops on me And this was after They said they would meet with me

And over a two month period And then they changed their word They broke their word That wasn't me

Hey, I just want to know what you guys Why, you know, just We could talk That's it Okay, no problem And then they said

No, we're not going to do that Well you said you would We're not going to You broke your word Well then I'm going to go To the body of Christ Oh, you're threatening us?

You know And so I stood out in the snowfall And passed out literature To the people driving into church

They called the cops on us And nobody came up To make sure we were okay No one from the church did that No one at all

I don't remember And then the way home I went to another church Where I've been contacted

Via email with somebody about that And let's just say Within ten minutes

I took Krav Maga for years Krav Maga The defense stance is this way You're leaning forward a little bit

You're ready to move And you can move backwards You can drag your foot

As you're moving backwards And so this is so that You can do some movements Okay, so anyway So I literally for ten minutes

Was doing this In the church parking lot Because the pastor was there

And somebody else was there And things were happening And they're yelling And all

I was doing was saying I just wanted to talk to you About what the truth About the word of God About your woman pastor Man, did they not like that I literally was having my hands up And when

I put my hands up To protect myself And the guy was It was a guy As far as that camera is from me

About this far away Put my hands up He yells out He shoved me And then the pastor turns around Did you shove him?

And people are looking at me I'm thinking I'm going to get lynched This guy lied And I'm going to get ready to get jumped

Because this guy said this The pastor repeated it I said no, he lied How could I do that I'm this far away

How could I shove him? And people are looking You know, they don't know who I am They don't know what's going on People are not happy I was afraid

So I was backing up like this Getting ready to get in my car To get away The defensive man

Oh jeez So, well are people going to repent If I were to address them

Nope At least my experience has been that It doesn't mean that nobody else will I literally have sat with someone

An elder from a local church A woman pastor A woman elder

And I said here's what the Bible says I answered every single objection he had And yet he said

Well, it's just our position Is it

I'm making a statement Yeah When you bring in When you do what they just did

It will be very, very easy To drop the children's part of her title

And shorten it That's right Children's pastor to pastor Right Hmm Yep They don't have to go to another church

They're going to do it there Yeah, they could do that Pastor someone Right It's a slide downhill

And I did some research A few years ago on this issue And I discovered that Within one to two

Depends Generations of a church denomination Adopting women pastors and elders

Soon afterwards Homosexuality was accepted Yeah See you guys

Can I read one more? Yeah What is the difference between fatalism and determinism?

Spelling That's it? Fatalism and determinism I don't really know the nuanced differences

Determinism, fatalism I don't know It's dictionary to see if there's a difference

But they're very similar You have a certain fate You can't get out of it It's going to happen Determinism is going to You're determined to do certain things

It's very similar So I don't know What the difference would be It's a good question I don't know

Let's see Difference I'm like doing this Okay, fatalistic for latent flower debate

What? Fatalistic to What? Is it fatalistic for latent flowers to review The review of his own debate?

He reviews my debate? No Lately to review the review of his debate

So it's a review of the review To review the review of his debate? Fatalistic?

That's from Tula Yeah He said fatalism ignores the means to the end

Okay, determinism is a view that the laws of nature Together with the universe initial state Are sufficient to determine the state of the universe

At every other point in the future Fatalism is a view that every future tense proposition

Has a determined truth value That was clear No Alrighty That was good,

I got that one Sure Not Okay, is I think you were closer when you said spelling

Is it correct to say that Christ was a form of his anthropomorphic principle?

That's from Nathan Malloy Is it correct to say he's an anthropomorphic principle? Of this anthropomorphic principle

Oh, of how I was talking, yes Yeah, the principle of anthropomorphism

And God in flesh, yeah, that's exactly God form, that's exactly what he was An anthropomorphism, yep

That's one form, you know And, but anthropomorphically speaking

God will speak to us in ways that we understand You know So when

God I'm sorry Go ahead When God spoke to Adam and told him that he would die

Has anyone questioned how Adam knew what that meant? I don't know if anyone has questioned it

I mean, no one's died Well, he was Did he understand what death is, that concept?

Maybe, he was pretty smart Because he named all the animals And the naming wasn't just random syllables

It was descriptive things Related to what the animal was And to be able to do that took some intelligence

So, there's probably a lot more there that Adam knew That, you know, we're led to know about So he had linguistic abilities

He had a wife Who knows how long he'd been there So, you know, we don't know

We could say, yeah, he probably did To what level, we don't know It's just, we don't know Yeah I was just curious

Yeah Okay Well, I have no comment on that one

Wow Because, I mean, I don't think it's related It's highly symbolic

I don't think it deals with that It deals with something else But, you know, I'll leave that one Okay Alexis Andrus on YouTube wants to know

What studying and witnessing advice can you give for a new evangelist? Read the

Gospels Learn your doctrine And then pray and go out there

And give it a shot And learn from the multitudinous mistakes you're going to make That's what's going to happen

And I've certainly made a lot of them Okay Hey, Matt Yester CJ Miller asks

Was there Okay, basically he's asking Was the true church lost before the

Reformation And after the disciples died Did it disappear and then reemerge in its clarity

After the Reformation Was the true church lost before the Reformation The true church, yeah Well, we have to understand what the true church means

Does that person mean an earthly organization? Does it mean doctrinal purity?

Does it mean regenerated individuals? You know, the term needs to be

Defined But generally speaking People who ask the kind of question are kind of getting at the idea

Of the true doctrine of Christ Was this trueness in the true generic church lost

Before the Reformation To some degree, yes But the truth of God's word is never going to be gone

Because God has his way of communicating to his people The truth And so The apostasy that the

Roman Catholic Church underwent And is still in Was the necessary grounds

Well, I say it was the grounds that fomented the development of the Reformation Getting back to the Bible So You know, the true church

Roman Catholicism was not a true church In an ecclesiastical structure sense In that it did not represent

God's word properly So it was not true But the true church is the redeemed

And God has his own people who are redeemed And that's what we would call the true church

So it depends on the definitions What's my thoughts on Lutheranism?

I went to a Lutheran college LCMS is within orthodoxy ELCA has got lots of problems

I don't agree with Lutheranism in some areas But, you know, they do okay How is a baby in the womb a life at conception?

How is a baby in the womb a life at conception? From a non -biblical perspective, I'm pro -life, I'm just wondering

People, you know, I'll ask people Does life begin in the womb? Or begin at conception? And most people say, yeah, life begins at conception

And I say, no it doesn't Life continues at conception The egg and the sperm are alive They come together

The life continues You don't have spontaneous life formation At the unification of these elements

So, how is a baby in a womb a life at conception? Because that's what it is

It has all the DNA Everything that is necessary for it to be The completeness of an adult

Given enough time And its nature does not change Here's something that a lot of abortionists

When I argue with them They'll say that this egg is not human And I'll say, okay, let's just work with that So it's not human

At what point does it become human? And what they'll often say

Is when it's born it becomes human Or right before it's born, you know, whatever And so I say, okay, so First of all, you don't know

What the correct answer to that question is When does it become human? Some say six weeks Some say brain activity

Some say at birth And I'll say, okay, so what you're saying is Brain activity, for example, means it's human

So then, if we take someone Who's not having brain activity They're in a coma But there's no brain activity

Are they human? Because people that this has happened to And they've come back With very little or no brain activity

No, no means they're dead, Dave But, you know And so, this idea And if they say, well

It becomes human at three months And I say, can you take the two -month Fertilized egg

And put it in the womb of a dog? Because it's not human If you do that Because there shouldn't be a problem

And they go, well, that's not right Why? Because it's not intended There's an intention And so, intention means design

And outside input And it gets into these philosophical issues So, Fabian Get rid of Fabian here

Alright, let's just get rid of Can you see that Daniel Castillo Just being, you know Here, let me just do this

Yeah You can do it? Okay Daniel Castillo and Fabian Salas Anyway, just losers

So, children So, anyway, you know These are some of the things And you can block them too

Good Alright So, anyway Where were we at? What were we at? We were talking about children

Or babies at two months old Oh, yeah So, abortion stuff So, it's one of the things I'll ask

And deal with this issue So, life doesn't begin at conception It continues at conception And another question

I'll ask them is You know, besides When does it become human? What causes it to become human? What brings about a change in its nature?

And another question I'll ask Besides that What brings about the change in its nature From non -human to human?

I'll say if it's not human Then what is it? That's a good question

What is it if it's not human? Is it a dog? No Cat? No Well, what is it? Well, we don't know

You don't know? So, you don't know what it is You just know it's not human But yet, since you don't know what it is

You're going to risk killing it There's all kinds of problems with reposition

Yeah I've had people tell me that It is a mass of Like a

Mass of cells Of cells Yeah And material But it's not anything beyond that Right And it's just Yeah They'll say, well, skin cells

Skin cells have DNA That's all it is Well, then you're admitting it's a skin cell But it has human

DNA Yes But its purpose And its design In the broader whole Is that it's a skin cell

And then they're making the fallacy of Division or composition There's a logical fallacy

I've got to work through the wording of that I think that's what that is But yeah, there's all kinds of problems

Officially, from the pro -life people They're not saying it's a clump of cells anymore And they're also not denying that it's a human being

They're saying Pro -life? Pro -choice Pro -choice They're saying that it doesn't have rights

It's not constitutionally protected And it doesn't have rights So they've gone from lost cells

And they gave that up because science was against them And then they've gone from it not being a human being And they gave that up because science was against them

So now they're saying it doesn't have rights See, I can rip that to shreds too Why doesn't it have rights?

And at what state does it have rights? Right at birth? Yeah, actually the preamble

Talks about that kind of vaguely And says that No, it's not there

I can't remember exactly where it is I don't want to misquote it But it actually discusses that in the Constitution It's actually thought about by the

Well, interesting I'll have to read that Do you read the book of Enoch?

What were your thoughts? No, I've not read the whole book of Enoch It's, you know, I guess in historical validity

It was quoted by Jude But doesn't mean it's inspired Enoch was a work of non -fiction Based on the era it was written

It was not based on fact Rather, it's more a record of man's thoughts And times in heaven Many people base the

Burning Hell On Dante's Inferno and Divine Comedy books Well, I base it on what

Jesus said Luke 16, 19 -31 Any more questions anywhere?

Yes I'm supposed to ask you about Your thoughts on Alex Malpass And his tag theory

Pax? Alex Malpass And his what theory?

Tag theory Oh, okay, I'm supposed to deal with that I don't know his tag theory

He supposedly wrote a reputation In a syllogistic form Saying that my presentation is meaningless

But it's not I've talked to some people And it's not I actually think his argument supports my position

It's disjunctive syllogism You have God, not God And a not God position can't account for The other thing is validated

He said that's improper I don't believe it's improper And so we need to talk again

Okay, last one Are you more of the Ventilion school Of super -suppositional apologetics

Or the Gordon E. Clark school? I don't know And why are you side with one or the other? I don't know I don't know them well enough

To be able to tell you what I am People have called me Clarkian More than Ventilion Who apparently studied that So, I don't know

I never I've got so many other things I'm doing I'm prepping debates And writing articles and stuff

And, you know, it's like, I don't know These guys have the ability To study these things They should interview me

And then find out Tell me what I am Does it really matter?

No Not really It doesn't But, you know, it's like I don't know

You know What's your thoughts on J .I.

Packer And his acceptance of the ecumenical movement? I didn't know he did I had lunch with J .I. Packer once It's quite a story

By true church I meant Was there a group of people That taught the true biblical doctrine From the death of the disciples?

I don't know if there was a true group But there were people before Luther's time That did teach the truth

Were they a group? As in, they got together and had meetings? Or were they just different people

Disparate individuals? I don't know What are you talking about? Oh, Luther That taught the true biblical doctrine

From the death of the disciples Until the reformation Okay Yeah, sorry Does it matter? I just got a little lost

What? I just got a little lost I didn't read the whole thing Alex Alexis Andra Same here

I've been listening for the last two years Really? Have you taken any breaks for sleep? Stupid Elementary school humor

But for some reason It works with me When I say it to people You know When people say to me Yeah, I was in I did this two weeks ago with somebody

You know I forgot what it was They were saying Yeah, I was in this car accident And And I injured my head

I was You know Like I was in the car And I really didn't feel like getting out And I go Did you ever get out? I do that You know

And They looked at me like What? You got to say it seriously though You know

Yeah You know I was in jail once And blah blah blah Did you ever get out? I get the weirdest looks

Like are you an idiot? But I'll do it on purpose Matt, can you see

Facebook right now? Facebook Can you see the comments? I don't know

Because I was looking I don't know which one I'm looking at right now Okay Okay, here we go

Facebook is asking your viewers To report you to Facebook So they can shut down your site

So Wait, wait, wait, wait, what? I can't hear you What? Karm shut down? No No Facebook is

Tagging your viewers And flipping up a little dialogue That says Send us feedback

So We can shut down this Facebook page If it is Offensive What?

There's a bunch of A couple of your viewers Are getting feedback notifications Please send us feedback

So we can shut down this Just say love it It's great It's not offensive at all I think it's refreshing It's a prompt to report

As an abusive video Facebook is fishing To remove all Christian sites Yeah, we've heard that Yeah, I've heard that too

On Fox News Yeah, so we're gonna Whenever you get These posts

Yeah, we're Give great feedback Yeah, but you know what We'll just sort other things And put it hidden And do it by private invites

And there's other social things too And other It's just They're screwing themselves They do that Because the

Christian community Will develop A new social thing It'll be in competition So One of the things

I want to do Is start getting all my videos Off of YouTube Because YouTube's gonna start Doing the same thing Don't they already

Google and YouTube Said they're gonna start Doing the same thing And it gets me Oh yeah Like Christianity's being attacked

They don't like your views They're gonna silence you And they give me Counter argument advertisements So if I'm pro -life

They give me pro -choice Advertisements Then I go in there And I say I don't want to see These advertisements And it says

I don't care Click this site Click this site Click this site It's a never ending Rattle of clicking

To get rid of the advertisement Which I can't do So now I get pro -life Advertisements Because I watch so much

Or pro -choice Because I watch so much Pro -life Well, you know I've been telling people

On the radio That Christians Have got to get Their act together And start marching I got an idea I got an idea about it

I'm thinking about It It's Marxism Oh yeah It's Marxism Stalinism Propaganda The leftists

They don't want Freedom of expression And choice Now there are

I've read that There's a social media Of something That says You basically

Cannot be removed Unless And it has to be Very severe

Like you're advocating Murder And mayhem And rape They won't get rid of you They don't care

What view you've got They don't care It's a new world It's a new thing Yeah, it's out We'll just jump over to that But you know

I'm waiting for Facebook To do this Because I don't trust Facebook I don't trust YouTube There's a nation Of conservative groups

Not just Christian groups Oh yeah All conservative groups Yeah We're being attacked The country's being attacked

And censored The conservatives Are not allowed to speak And why is it Now think about this Why is it

All these super powerful groups Are unbelievers? You know what

I'm telling you The Christian For example Here's something I'm going to bitch about You know on the radio today

And the day before Two days ago Monday and today I asked On the radio All I'm asking for Is five dollars

A month Recurring donation Five dollars a month Please sign up Five dollars a month

And help And If it wasn't For one donor Right now If it wasn't

For one donor Right now We would have to Let everybody go I'd be the only One getting paid We have enough

To pay me And that's it And we'd have to Get rid of our Spanish guy Our Portuguese guy

And our Turkish guy We'd have to Get rid of The lady in Delaware We'd have to Get rid of The guy in Salt Lake City We'd have to Get rid of him

Because he Wouldn't have the money And so we've got A guy who is Helping us out And only because He's very well off And he can do that If it wasn't for that We would be

Done And we don't have The money To keep us going And all I've been asking For example

Is five dollars a month From a thousand people That's not much Considering we get Over 30 ,000 Visitors a day

To the site We get millions A year And we can't even Get the funds To be raised

And so this is an example Of what Christians Don't do They don't support They are too

Stinking Afraid To give five dollars A month To a Calvinist Or a

Millennialist Or whatever They don't like this Or that You're not nice Whatever it is Someone who is

On the front lines And the only way To survive in this Is to be like I am To do the things

That I do You've got to Have those issues To survive And they sit in judgment

And withhold Five dollars a month I get that complaint And we can't even

Get enough money To support And we also have A tech guy If it wasn't for Our tech guy You know who that is

If it wasn't for him Karm would not exist And the reason is

Because I just found out A couple of weeks ago That he

Has not told me The whole story Of how much work he does And how much he saves us

And someone else did Someone who knows him And knows tech stuff Told me what's happening

And he said That this guy Our friend This tech guy

Is going to Of dollars A month Of his own Money Time Effort To keep

The Karm site running And that if It was

If it was If we didn't have him And we were at a regular company

Just a host Because Of the amount of A tax That Karm gets

It's just a tax We get Anyway I'll tell you the part Just from that It probably

Would be $100 ,000 to $200 ,000 A year Just to keep The site running And Our tech guy says

In his business That he does Hosting He says There are banks

That he hosts And the banks Don't even get hit In attack Not even close

To what Karm gets Attacked So We are under Karm is under Constant attack And We have

DOS attacks In fact We just had to buy I'll tell you this We had to buy Servers Today Or Today or tomorrow

Or yesterday Today or tomorrow And I had to go To the bank today And we had someone Give us a large check

For the purpose of Buying hardware A large check And that wasn't

Even half Of what we need Is it possible That people We're floundering

Is it possible That people Are donating And it's not Coming to you We don't know What's going on Do you know

What I'm asking We Put it this way We I'll just ramble here

But we have The ability to know That there are Failed donations Coming in But we

I don't have the manpower To be able to pursue those Is it

Can Is there an address Someone can like Send a check to you Every month It's on the Karm site

And so What we You know If people just did Five dollars a month That's all we have It's five bucks What's five dollars

You know It's five dollars You're not You're not going to get much out of it You're not going to get

A lot of kudos And rewards And that's it It's five dollars a month But if we can get We need

Two thousand Two thousand people a month Doing that Is that Is that bad

Two thousand people From the millions Of Christians in this country And what Karm can do

And the information that's there If we had that We would actually be able To pay our own bills

And have Decent hardware To do what we need to do As well as the other stuff We're talking about doing

Which We don't know Not enough Christians That are willing to fight Apathy in the church

No Because they just want to hear Preaching about love And then just go home And just sit around And do nothing

That's right And that's why Kenneth Copeland and Joel Osteen Make millions of dollars Uh huh Millions of dollars

I went to Joel Osteen's church And I have the film on At home Of the rock concert mentality

That was there at the church The really feel good sermon And on the way out Of the church Um I went into their bookstore

Which is Twice the size of this room Twice the size of it And maybe three times

And um I asked the guys working there I said uh Do you have any books On systematic theology

And no lie The guy looked at me and He goes What's that Oh I said it's a

Book That arranges theology Systematically Hence Systematic theology

Trinity The deity of Christ Salvation by grace Through faith He goes

Oh really Um Let me go ask about that Twenty minutes later He comes back

He goes No we don't have anything Like that here Joel Osteen will get Stuff He'll get millions of dollars

Because he tells people What they want to hear In fact What I said in the radio today May cost me the show

Potentially I said God I said God elects God predestines Romans 9 Romans 9 9 -23

Says things That people don't want to hear Because they want to have Their ears tickled I said They don't want to hear What Romans 9 actually says

And bang bang bang I think a lot of people Are not going to listen Because I said What they don't want to hear And I also said Stuff about Millennialism And stuff like that When another guy

Challenged me and stuff And I said Well here's what you know Anyway I got stories But um You know

So we're just asking Five dollars a month Five dollars a month We can't even We have about 200 people

Who are doing that After I think I've been asking For five years

Yeah One latte Is that a latte? How much is a latte?

A latte is about $3 .50 Four dollars At Starbucks They'll go do that No Huh? No How much?

Five dollars Five dollars? Oh Okay I don't go to Starbucks I don't support that Pagan place

And um Grande You know It's pretty ridiculous But uh That's what's going on Yeah Patients will go there

They'll spend their five bucks There a day And people don't Don't have any idea The stress

I'm under And did you know Our tech guy Did you hear about His renter's house Burning down?

His what? He has a renter's house? Yeah He bought some property And some house rentals

In order to try And make ends meet And uh One of the renters Burned down the house So he's out

Quite a bit there Was this An accident? Yeah It was an accident

Yeah And he said He had another renter Uh Years ago

And they wouldn't pay the rent So It was a log cabin And so They asked him

You know We're gonna have to evict you If you don't pay the rent And So they Before they got evicted

They took cement And poured it down the drains Yeah And the house was totaled Because of it

They totaled the house This happens to this guy He's trying to In fact he

This tech guy And another guy Want to develop a business In order to Support CARM Uh Where they can

They can support it Because others aren't doing it Well people are supporting

CARM I mean They are We just don't have enough We need more than what's going on That's all I mean Not trying to knock the people who do

Because there are people who do And we're able to To You know We meet about Probably about 50 %

Of our needs Are met by The present income We're thankful for that But And get this

I don't have any Retirement I have nothing We can't afford anything And I've had

Two Uh Uh Salary reductions And um

I'm getting asked To report you What's that? I'm getting asked To report you Oh it's just uh

People are just doing this We've got some morons on there Who are reporting CARM And trying to Get you something like that And uh

Yeah You get to report the post After you give your feedback So Yeah It's just A crescending attack

It's those guys who are Yeah They're just losers And uh

You know It's what it is So this is Notice how casually

I'm handling it You notice that? It's like Yeah okay Why do you think that is? Happens a lot

I'm used to it You're used to it I'm used to it Oh yeah okay Whatever Yeah That's just normal So what's the big deal?

It's gonna happen We're gonna lose this We're gonna lose that We'll be attacked here We'll be attacked there If someone said Hey your

Facebook account For CARM's gone Okay Yeah They said

Oh YouTube's taken all your Videos down Suspended your account I go Okay Only thing I gotta do

Is download Start downloading all the videos first And put them on Blu -ray discs And stuff like that So we can

We got plans We're gonna have to Move a different direction One of the things We wanna do

I know I'm rambling I'll be done here But we're trying All this tech stuff We're trying to do

Is set it up So that we can be immune How do you do that?

It's not easy And it costs money We're trying to set it up So that in the future When Get this

When other ministries Are attacked They can come to us We're thinking ahead

And there's also Some other things Called the dark web And there's other ways Of doing things And some communication

So we're We're working on stuff But it takes Money Money It takes money

And You know I got kicked off The air here Right? Yeah Because we don't know

The exact reason I think it had to do With Catholicism Because That's what I think I wouldn't compromise

On that And well If I have $15 ,000 I can get my own FM low power station here

And we just have people on And have them pay $50 a month To be on So we can get The electricity paid for You know

That's it Okay I'm rambling We should be done Okay I think we're good