The Here I Stand Theology Podcast "The Doctrines of Grace - Total Depravity"

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Special edition episode 2 VG is with us again brother

Gregory From the unmerited favor podcast We are going to be discussing the doctrines of grace in this series

Primarily today our focus will be on Total depravity with that being said, let's go ahead and bring bring

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I'm the happy Calvinist. This is brother Gregory We are back again for the second installment of this series on the doctrines of grace

And so tonight we are going to be discussing Total depravity we are going to do our best to Biblically define total depravity.

We are going to be talking about the converse of total depravity which is the

Armenian view Pelagianism and Semipelagianism as well.

We're going to be getting a lot of history tonight. Greg's going to be talking to us about the

Augustinian and Pelagian Controversy which really this is this kind of goes back to the to the the root of the argument here

Yeah, this is not a new topic As far as the church is concerned So what is total depravity

Greg oh boy so total depravity The the simplest example and the simplest answer is that we are dead in our sin

That the the state of unregenerate man is Death that we are dead in our sin dead in our trespasses and our transgressions

Whatever, you know English word you want when you translate those Greek words But we are dead

That is total depravity meaning that there is no goodness in us Which we can leverage for our own salvation in every in any part yeah

The you know that the little footnote of course is don't go too far and make it

Universal as a description of all creation. We are we have total depravity, but we are not

Thoroughly evil we exist God created us and all things if you go too far if you if you abuse if you will the concept of total depravity you end up in the heresy of Gnosticism, which is that the physical is all evil and only the spiritual is good

And that is not what you know, that is not what we're saying That's not what scripture says, but scripture is clear.

We are dead in our trespasses So as a matter of our standing with God For for justifications in the context of justification.

We are dead Exactly and I think another another term that we might interchange with With total depravity is the term radical depravity as you said

You know radical depravity might be Steve Lawson in an article on Ligonier comm actually him and RC Spro really went to changing the

Letters of the acronym and tulip so they use the terms which are very very good.

They are Not that we have to make it more palatable, but they are more palatable terms for radical depravity sovereign election when it comes to Unconditional election right sovereign election limited atonement definite atonement

Irresistible call they left the same effectual call and then of course The perseverance of the

Saints a doctrine of perseverance of the Saints, but they they use the term preserving grace Which is which is synonymous you really when we get that we'll be talking about that but radical depravity is a good term to use if you're speaking with friends or family members that are

That that are Anti reformed theology

And I can't honest right that that attempt to Just change the term to sneak it into conversation.

Yeah, people immediately shutting it down. Yeah. No, I I Get it

Uh -huh, every every few years just make up a new term for it So if we are to understand total depravity

The scriptures teach and we're what we're speaking about is South Saldivically primarily right when we're talking about this because this is really a soteriological

The the doctrines of grace are really aimed at soteriology, right? Right, right, and you know, which is why

I also brought up that that issue of Gnosticism. Um the So salvation

The the term salvation includes justification and sanctification

So when when we speak of salvation, it is the one time and then the continual

You know acts of God grace grace of God When you get into the the tulip the

Armenian Calvinist debate If Initially, it's not about matters of sanctification.

It's not even about matters of is an unbeliever Capable of what one would define as righteous acts

By by human standards mind you it's really about that that initial point that Justification and so total depravity is a matter of in one's standing with God One has no ability to buy his own merit or abilities

Save himself or choose to be saved. So that's total depravity. It is again not to say that No, man is is, you know incapable of Giving food to his to his children

Everyone has God's common grace in that area or else all of humanity would just implode so But yeah, so this is a matter of salvation.

This is a matter of justification And so some of the some of the key texts, what would you say are some of the key scripture texts that point us to total or radical depravity so and and with that and we can excuse me, we can go to the so wonderfully written and poorly organized canons of doors

Which You I Mean like a better a better table of contents would have at least been been helpful.

Um, so so Because again, it's one of those. How do you how do you reference it cleanly the third and fourth heads of doctrine?

So that's your your main point and then we skip past the articles and we go right into the rejections rejection for and so I'll read the rejection and then the response to it and For a little bit of background just as far as the proceedings for the the

Synod of Dort the canons of door are a record of really that that discussion that debate that analysis addressing the points of Arminianism and so it is written out so that you have articles that they wrote which are the reformed biblical

Orthodox understanding of scripture and then after their articles of faith They go into the rejections where they write out

What the Arminian view is and then they respond directly to it with scripture.

So rejection number four under this header says So this this is the state of the

Arminian statement the Arminian belief Um that the unregenerate man is not really or utterly dead in sin nor destitute of all powers unto spiritual good but that he can yet hunger and thirst after righteousness and life and offer the sacrifice of a

Contrite and broken spirit which is pleasing to God. So that would be the statement which is being rejected and it is rejected on these grounds

For these are contrary to the express testimony of scripture quote who were dead in their trespasses and sin even when we were dead in sins

Ephesians 2 1 & 5 and every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually

Genesis 6 5 and For the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth generation

Genesis 8 21 Yeah And then there We we continue just you know for sake of completeness moreover

To hunger and thirst after deliverance from misery and after life and to offer unto

God The sacrifice of a broken spirit is peculiar to the regenerate and to those that are called blessed

Creating in me a clean create in me a clean heart Oh God and renew a right spirit within me

Then shall thou be pleased with me or with the sacrifices of righteousness with burnt offerings and whole burnt offerings then shall they offer bollocks upon their altar

Psalms 51 10 and 19 and Then finally blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled

Matthew 5 6 Yeah, if you would We're good with that, all right technical difficulties are fun

I'll try to find a good technical difficult difficulty screen there So so that being so that being the the the argument in point, you know addressing those two issues

Just in that one rejection and the canons of Dort That we are literally in and and quite plainly expressed as being dead in our sin

Dead in our trespasses, there are other scriptures which describe us as the enemies of God So there is

There is a a wealth of Scripture on that. Yeah And and it's in the the root it all traces back in Genesis chapter 3

The scripture says the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field the Lord God had made He said to the woman did

God actually say you shall not eat of any tree in the garden and The woman said to the serpent we may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden

But God said you shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden

Neither shall you touch it lest you die But the serpent said to the woman you will not surely die

For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food And it was a delight to the eyes and that the tree was desired to make one wise

She took of its fruit and ate and she also gave to her husband who was with her and he ate

Then the eyes of both were opened and they knew that they were naked and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves

Aprons or loincloths and they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day

And the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden

But the Lord God called to the man And he said where are you? And he said

I heard the sound of you in the garden and I was afraid because I was naked and I hid myself He said who told you that you were naked.

Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat? The man said the woman whom you gave him to be with me.

She gave me the fruit of the tree and I excuse making Right, they don't work.

Then the Lord God said to the woman What is that that you have done and the woman said the serpent deceived me and I ate and the

Lord God said to the serpent because you have done this cursed Are you above all animals and above all beasts of the field and on your belly?

You shall go and dust shall you eat all the days of your life? I will put enmity between you and the woman between your offspring and her offspring

He shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel. So the root of the problem goes back to the garden

This is the doctrine of original sin Mm -hmm, and really this is the doctrine of original sin is the doctrine that is denied with pull in plagianism, right

Right and that is one of those other one of those other points which we we see less of in modern

Arminian ism And that's you know, again the thing to keep to keep in mind that modern

Arminians are not You know first -generation Arminians because that matter of original sin was brought up and Evaluated within the

Synod of Dort there are points there are articles and rejections On that in fact that that is yeah,

I believe that's the first yeah, the first rejection in this in this header is addressing the fact that the that the the

Arminians Denied original sin. Yeah, because if you can deny original sin, then you're then you're good, right?

Because then it's not it's not your it's not your fault It's it's the woman who you know, and I and I love that that quick Double blame that that Adam does it's not just that he blames

Eve the woman he blames God, too Yeah, the woman you gave me, you know, it's like it's not my fault.

You gave me a defective woman And I'm like, wow, there you go. Let's blame God for your sin

But yeah an article to you know addresses that It specifically man after the fall begat children in his own likeness a corrupt stock

Produced a corrupt offspring hence all the posterity of Adam Christ only accepted have derived corruption from their original parent not by imitation as the

Pelagians of old Asserted but by progeny of a vicious nature

And so again and and we have we have this continuously stupid debate within psychology

Between nature versus nurture which you know more reasons why I don't like Psychology is that they reject all of scripture and then try to solve the soul on their own

But anyway, that's a whole different topic But that idea of nature versus nurture is a

Pelagian argument that we are not by nature evil We learn it we imitate evil, you know almost to say that we are taught evil and Augustin writes beautifully about Infants and how you can see evil even at infancy

And one of his and I'll paraphrase as I always do with Augustin because he's he's he's too good for me to quote directly

Um, but he even wrote that, you know as an infant It is not that I didn't grab

Something that I wanted but was not my own because I did not have envy But because I lacked the strength in my arms to do so, you know

And it is one of those you can see jealousy even in infants. Um, no one teaches us how to be evil

That's the truth. That is the truth

Sorry, I had a Little apps there for just a moment there. I was it's like I was processing everything that you said, what are we talking about?

Don't worry. I don't process what I say either. I just speak But I was just trying to I was trying to think with it there, too.

So So with the the the converse of total depravity, which is

Pelagianism right in a nutshell Give us kind of a succinct maybe two or three minute kind of a summary of The really it was a battle for the sufficiency of Scripture, right between Augustin and Pelagian, correct, right, right.

So, um and and the the fun part of history is that Pelagius denied that he was the one

Who kind of started what then took on his his name, um, though and people

Critics of Augustin attributed it to being Augustin that Augustin blamed if you will

Pelagius for for these beliefs, but he didn't really um, you know believe that so to speak

But I'll I'll go with my man Augustin on this one So so the dispute as as in good, you know

Augustinian fashion Everything that he wrote was really a wonderful form of apologetics and he he just went at everything beautifully but one of the issues was between him and Pelagius and the main argument between the two was again on the natural state of man because of the fall and so And that was you know that whole point to which one of one of Augustine's other famous quotes

Pelagius hated which you know was when Augustine said You know, give us give us all that you will and ask of us all that you give, you know to that effect saying that The Lord will ask the

Lord will provide exactly what he then asks of us Meaning that we have nothing to give but we first receive and then we give back unto the

Lord Really putting into that which bothered Pelagius on this because Pelagius believed we have something good already to offer

Before receiving from God that there is some inherent righteousness within man to which

Augustine outright and correctly refused and refuted and so that was really one of your you your early debates and so Pelagianism and Orthodox Christianity have existed within the the

Christian Church for I Mean for most of most of her history.

So this is this is nothing new At all It's just gone in too much finer detail because of the the cannons of Dort there was and the the because of Arminius And then subsequently the cannons of Dort it brought a lot of clarity to these points

But the the general debate has been has been raging for some time. Yeah, and it's continued to this day

Still yet continues. This is exactly why we need to continue to stick to the scriptures

Themselves, so there is always a progression. Would you say Greg that there is always a progression?

So People when they find out the the Pelagian view will will say well,

I don't want to go that far Right and say that man is born

Neutral because that's basically what Pelagius taught right a neutral state where you basically tip one way or the other once you

Get a certain age. It's almost as if you can grow into sin. Mm -hmm But like you said, there's no growing into sin where we're born sinners shaping people clearly do not have children exactly exactly

But so the progression is then To say well, I won't say that we're born neutral.

I'll say that we're mostly good in some bad

Therefore that little bit of goodness within us is what makes us

Be able to respond savingly to God now. There's a term for what

I just described. What is that term? Right. Um, well in that that later becomes known as prevenient grace so because Full -on

Pelagian ism is heresy. I mean straight up you then had this sort of drift to what is known as semi

Pelagian ism Which so rather than say man is Fully good and righteous and then becomes corrupt or evil you can say well man is partially good

You know partially evil whatever whatever mixture you want in there So you have semi

Pelagian ism, which is sure we're evil and corrupt, but they're still good enough in us to To you know to get saved if you will to choose to choose to elect

Jesus King and Then the but the the fancy and later philosophical term mind you it's not

Theological concept it is a philosophical concept is Prevenient grace. It's a way

Really it's a way for Armenians to still be able to affirm

God's grace as necessity for salvation So it's a way to use the word grace

But have a different meaning ascribed to it. And so that's why most

Armenians will Genuinely and honestly as far as they understand the terms to be say well

Of course, we are saved by grace through faith grace is necessary. Um But they're not speaking of Orthodox biblical grace.

They're speaking of prevenient grace and so prevenient grace is this measure of grace given to all men by God enabling them to choose

Christ So it's it's it's just enough It's a measure of faith given to enable them to choose

God. Um, so yeah, it's Which is not only problematic

Biblically, but problematic even just logically. Um, there are there are still a whole host of problems with Prevenient grace.

Yeah cart before the horse, right? So, I mean in as far as a total depravity goes

I mean really that's the that's the one doctrine really that both and when we use again we we want to Make a distinction and make it clear that When we say that's that's the an idea and a terminology that typically the

Armenian has And then we'll talk about a Calvinistic view when we're talking about the

Calvinistic view Again, we want to make this clear Calvin did not come up and invent these doctrines

Augustine did not invent these doctrines These are the doctrines taught in the scriptures

Spurgeon said at one point in his in his lifetime. He said when when

I say Calvinism Calvinism is simply a nickname for the gospel

Because it it goes back. It's it's the apostolic truth taught by the

Apostles, it's the historical truth that we see from beginning to end in The 66 books of the

Old and the New Testament. So when we talk about reformed theology, we are not we are not talking about a systematic theology

Created by Augustine by Calvin by Spurgeon by any of the great men of God throughout church history

But we are simply referring to the Word of God itself, right? right, exactly and and that is

And that's really one of those points it's it's the summary of whoever has scripture wins and with the reformed

And it's one of those. I'm I'm not of the reformed Traditions because I like them

Though I do absolutely like them, but there is of course a danger and even having tradition become an idol.

Yeah the reason why I'm reformed is because the reformed tradition

Can read through scripture plainly and in context with as with with very little issue um when you start to Qualify scripture as you read it

Then there's a problem if you can't just read The whole book of John the the book of Ephesians the book of Galatians or Romans when you can't just read through these

Without having to try to qualify. Well, it might it doesn't really mean that it's there's this and you know

And all of this Mike you're it's it's falling apart. Um and you see that when you have

It's like have have an Arminian preacher just preach through Romans 8 through 11 quite honestly

Um, there'll be a lot of there'll be a lot of footnotes on on those sermons um, you know a lot of caveats, uh to the point where some people even try to like Say, well, it would be better if you actually read it this part first and then these other scriptures.

I'm like, did you just rearrange? Again, I'm like did you really did is that your argument is to rearrange it?

Um, so But when you when you approach scripture from the reformed, you know, the reformed understanding of it

You you read it as it is you read it You know the verse in context of the chapter and the chapter in context of the book in the book in context of the entirety

Of scripture. Yeah, um and the reformed tradition can do that Uh quite well um

You know as opposed to other more modern Concepts which which arguably fall apart very quickly so so this is uh, this likely this episode, uh is a shorter one, but it is it is short for the reason that it is so direct

The real challenges the real depths that we need to that we will be plumbing in the scriptures

As we move along throughout the doctrines of grace will be these next ones that we that we tackle which will be unconditional election

Everybody everybody hates that again if you want to be thinking ahead on that, uh, it can be called

Sovereign election that map that's a much more palatable term with the same truth packs the same punch

It still states the same thing that god sovereignly chooses And elects those whom he has determined from whom the father has given him from all eternity

So we'll get into that any closing remarks greg that you'd like to add on the doctrine of total depravity

Um on the doctrine of total depravity. Yeah, because we mentioned prevenient grace which plays a role with total depravity

Um, but yeah, I guess really the the fleshing out of that comes in um well,

I mean I can I I can do just a couple more points on it since the the main header of the armenian issue was on the will of man

Um and the will of man assuming that the will of man Has you know some righteousness or then by by prevenient grace?

Um and to not just say oh there are problems with it and then gloss over and kind of carry on um

But sort of to summarize a couple of the problems with prevenient grace um

That and the the canons of dor bring this up and I thought it was a one of them being a very fantastic point that if If salvation is dependent upon human will human choice then

There is a possibility that no one would have Chosen to be saved which means the death of christ would have been for nothing.

Um, so the which which is why historically um The the protestants the reformed christians, um had no problem branding armenians as heretics

Uh, we are a lot less zealous on that now But I think that's because the reformed are in the minority and it's difficult to call almost every christian, you know a heretic um

When when you're the minority, you know, it's it's hard when you when you just want to just you'd be like, you know

What everybody's a heretic? Um, so I but but they had no problem. I I mean, you know the reformed they had so for you know

What about 300 years of reformed history? There was no problem saying well, yeah, of course armenianism's heresy.

It's semi -palagianism. That's absolutely heresy Um to to say that god would have done something that would have accomplished.

Nothing is to lie about the nature of god um also you know also to say you hit the finally that that point of If prevenient grace enables a man to be saved

Then why are some saved and others not? because Either the blame lays with god.

God did not give them enough faith. God did not Uh ordain the circumstances in just the right way for everyone to be saved

So that would be to say that god either didn't know how much faith to give Which would be to reject the omniscience of god, which even armenians wouldn't wouldn't do

Um, so either god did not know how much faith or what conditions would be necessary But since armenians won't even go there then god did know

So then did he just not give enough faith is the failing with god or did god know how to? Arrange the circumstances but then chose not to so then still that is god's fault

Um, but if you're not willing to you know to say that about god then It must be

Upon the individual and now no matter how you want to try to dodge it You are now entering into merit -based salvation, correct?

The apostle paul writes explicitly against says we are not saved by our own merit

Um, because why do some choose and others do not why do some reject christ and others choose christ

What makes you know, what makes them? Is it is it is it education? Is it uh, you know some capability?

Um, is it the amount of money that they have which which is very you know Depending on what church you go to that might be the excuse given

Um only the rich get saved which which is directly contrary to what christ said, um

So he said something to the what was that? It's easier for the camel to go through through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to write the kingdom of heaven

Right, you know mega churches shouldn't exist. Um, so but the uh

You know you you end up in that issue of if it's up to man

Why then do some and not others um Unless and you know, because then then

I mean Best case scenario you're now engaging in arrogance. I was good enough to choose christ.

I figured it out um, and then the One area that you can kind of go but at that point you might as well hop the fence into calvinism

If you say that no matter the amount of faith or circumstances someone was always going to choose to reject christ

Like that sounds a lot like predestination, uh, if they were always going to reject christ, um

But then and this is so not only is it just plagianism right out but the destruction it then causes to the church is

Because then men try to answer that question. Well, why do some well, let's figure that out.

Let's solve that problem and then you end up with The the the the preacher wasn't charismatic enough, you know, you know the the worship service wasn't engaging enough

And so we need the you know Slick haircut well built good voice.

Look how charismatic I am. You know, i'm gonna make this a a a Very palpable sermon, you know, not a lot of scripture because people get bored with that And you know and we're gonna have we're gonna have our worship leader because apparently the pastor's not the leader of worship

Which just blows my mind which he is right? We're gonna have the worship leader back there playing a soft thing on the piano set the mood dim the lighting

I mean you you get into this formula form you the formula of trying to Thank you of trying to get people saved

And then we pervert and we twist the bride of christ true to try to You know to win people over um

And of course the other extreme is yelling at people on the on the street corner to get them saved Although that one actually has far more biblical backing than the yes than the than the mega church

Uh, there's a time and a place to yell at people to repent for the kingdom is nigh Um, I straight preach so yes,

I oh no, i'm i am all for it. I am all for it Um, I love that. So we we need more soapbox preachers.

Um, As long as you as long in in as your declaration of you're all on your way to hell

Is because you don't want people to go there. Yeah, um, then then then you're doing it, right quick side note.

Yeah On that last night. I listened to us sermon by josh boss from The g g3 conference the most recent one there in there in georgia but he

He shared the testimony of being at a conference years and years ago uh where The conference meeting let out and they were walking down the street

And he saw a street preacher down the street and he was just curious about you know

The preacher well the closer that he got to the preacher He found out

That they were from westborough baptist church now Westborough baptist church has a bad rep, right?

They may call themselves a church, but they preach and proclaim. Hey is all they do I'll say that.

Uh -huh. So he he he said he noticed josh by said he noticed That every time the light changed the the preacher and it was the preacher and his son there that the preacher was just preaching

Uh, you're going to hell you're going to hell you're going to hell and he never proclaimed the good news of the gospel, right?

So he decided that the next time the light changed He would give that preacher a chance to do his bit and then he just went to preach in the gospel

So they went back and forth like that for a couple of times And uh, finally he said the the westborough baptist guy just packed his stuff up and left

But the point being this that there needs to be a balance there's a balance between Judgment and mercy.

There's a judge. There's a balance between law and grace that always needs to be had

When we are proclaiming the gospel, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. I I mean and it's you know

It's even easy in that tendency when you're going through and to to partial quote scripture And say for the wages of sin is death and then you stop there, right because that that has the impact so let's end there

But i'm like but scripture doesn't end there scripture does not end with the law. That's right ends with the cross

It's actually and it continues on. Um from there in the gospel, you know, so it's not just the wages of sin is death

It's like well, yes, that's true, you know, but it but it continues on with you know

With the cross and with the gospel with christ. Um So you you can't

Forget the law you can't skip over that which reveals our sin christ even said that said before I came

They were without sin now that I am here. They know that they are sinners, which is why they hate me

So christ who is the law the word of god? um came not to condemn the world but in him there was judgment because the righteousness of god was made manifest in his very being and all that he did and all that he proclaimed

Because he obeyed the commandment that he received from his father. And so that is the the the judgment.

Um, But he did not come to condemn but through him the world might be saved

So there was judgment in that the law was proclaimed in christ Um, just read the sermon of the mound that is not the gospel that is the reiteration of the law

It is not good news to know that if you lust after a woman you are guilty of adultery.

That's not good news Um, it is not good news to be perfect as god is perfect because we can't um, the good news is in the death burial and resurrection in christ that he is the resurrection so We we can't

And we should not Weaponize the law we should not weaponize scripture.

Um The gospel is already a sword But it is not one that just kills it cuts

But it also then renews it regenerates. It is what gives life.

It is the Christ gives life through the proclamation of the gospel um, but it's it is human tendency to want to just To judge the world, but christ didn't judge the world

The apostles didn't judge the world paul said what business do I have in condemning those outside of the church?

That's right. Um, we are to proclaim with love and with mercy and in truth

These things to the world that means the law But you don't end there. There's no there's no salvation in the law

Amen, the law was the schoolmaster paul said that to bring us to christ, right?

For we are under governors and tutors beforehand, right? Right. Praise the lord.

So let's anything else um Boy on topic. No, so I think

I think i'm good with that Um, I got all I got all that I wanted on prevenient grace

In and and and out of there. Um and uh No, and we ended on we ended on a a positive note.

You proclaim the gospel brother. That's always where we always end on a positive No, that's what we want to so let's and let's finish with the scripture here

Again, just to top things off paul writing to the ephesian church said this you were dead in trespasses and sins

And once you once walked following the course of this world following the prince of the power of the air

The spirit that now is at work in the sons of disobedience. I just heard my country accent I always hear your country accent among whom we all lived

Once lived in the passions of our flesh carrying out the desires of the body and of the mind

And were by nature children of wrath like the rest of mankind But god being rich in mercy because of the great love with which he loved us

Even when we were dead in our trespasses made us alive together with christ For by grace you have been saved and raised up with him and seated with us

Seated us. He has seated us with him in the heavenly places in christ. Jesus So that in the coming ages, he might show

The immeasurable riches of his grace and his kindness toward us

For by grace you have been saved through faith and this is not your own doing it is the gift of god

Not of results so that not of work so that any man may boast for we are his workmanship created unto good works in christ jesus

Which god prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. So there you go

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