September 16, 2024 Show with with William Allen on “From ‘Transgendered’ to Transformed by Christ” (Part 2)

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to 2 p .m. at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania. Today we have a returning guest, a truly fascinating guest.

In fact, if anybody listening wants to hear the first interview

I conducted with my guest, go to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio and type in the name

William Allen, and William was my guest once before on this program.

In fact, I was the very first person ever to interview William. And by the way, also,

William Allen is a pen name, an alias. And we began our discussion on From Transgendered to Transformed by Christ, and we are going to continue that conversation today with part two of that conversation.

But if you want to hear part one after this program is over, just type in William Allen, A -L -L -E -N, and that recording will come up, which was—that interview was conducted on July 2nd of this year.

And we're having William back on the show because the book that he was in the process of writing and getting published when we did part one of this conversation,

Not Man Enough to Be a Woman, Transgendered for 30 Years, No Lie Lives Forever, that book was not yet in print when we started this conversation, but now it is.

So we wanted to have William back, not only to cover some areas of this vast topic that we did not have an opportunity to cover, but also to promote the book so you all could purchase it.

And we also have a limited number of free copies to give away due to the generosity of my guest,

William Allen. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to the program, William Allen.

Well, thank you, sir. It's good to be back with you again. Thanks for having me.

And I am going to be playing a clip from a sermon by William's pastor that is going to summarize the topic of today and William's testimony.

And if you could remind me, William, of your pastor's name and the name of the church.

Yeah, it's Dr. William Rice, and it's Calvary Church in Clearwater, Florida.

Calvary Church in Clearwater, Florida. Okay. Well, I am looking forward to hearing again this message that summarizes how he became aware of your situation, and the rest is self -explanatory.

Here we go. I got a letter the other day, kind of surprised me. It was from a person named

Maggie. Maggie had written me a couple of times in the past, so it took me a moment, but I remember getting emails from Maggie, and apparently

Maggie said I'd even called her to answer a question. And more than that, Maggie had moved to Clearwater a few years ago and said,

I've been coming to your church. And a few years ago, I came to be baptized. You baptized me as Maggie.

You didn't know any better, but I'm not Maggie. She said in 1961, when

I was born, I was born a male. My name is William, and I lied to you, and I've been lying to a lot of people, including myself.

William said, for 30 years, I've lived as a woman. I can't explain it.

I don't understand it. I got married as a young man. It was a happy marriage, a good woman, and I suppressed that desire, and then it came back and it ruined my marriage.

It cost me and my family. I was estranged with my parents, but I'd settled down to a mostly comfortable life, and almost nobody knew.

You didn't know. I know you didn't know. And I thought I was a Christian even, told people

I'd asked Jesus into my heart. But the truth is, I never loved to read the Bible. I never had a thirst for the things of God.

A couple years ago, she said, I was listening to you preach, and something began to happen in my heart.

I began to feel the Holy Spirit stirring and convicting me. I began to watch a lot of it online, but there were videos, and I went back and watched all the videos they had stored up in the archives and the website, and then, you know,

I started listening to other preachers, and fortunately, Maggie was listening to really solid Bible preachers.

She listed them. I mean, some strong ones. And I began to listen to those, and they made me mad at first.

But the more I began to listen, the more I knew they were telling me the truth. And I began to hunger to know

God, and I knew I needed to repent. Maggie said, the day came when, as I began to listen and think about all that had happened in my life,

I realized I needed to repent and turn to God that I'd never been saved. Maggie wrote me this letter and said,

I started to see all the people that I had deceived as a pretend woman, and I saw the relationships with them as false and undeserved.

I'm reading the letter Maggie sent me. I don't have time to read it all.

In fact, later on, maybe we'll find a way to communicate, because it's so much in this story.

Maggie said, I grew more and more disheartened with my own lifestyle. I saw my lifestyle for what it was.

I saw my sin for what it was. I broke down crying. I mean ugly crying, because I knew what a vile person

I'd been all my life. My desires no longer mattered. I cried out to God, confessing my sins and who

I was. Now I knew I needed a Savior. I repented and asked for forgiveness.

I turned away from it all. I wanted to be pleasing in His eyes. I wanted to put it all on Jesus. And I gave up my life to Him, whatever required.

A level of peace that I have never experienced came over me. Suddenly nothing in the world mattered any longer, at least not like what

Jesus had done for me. I now love reading and studying the Bible. I pray a lot. I love talking to others about Christ, and I take any opportunity to present the gospel.

The Holy Spirit is living in me and is changing me, and that's when I knew I wanted to fully repent, de -transition.

I wanted to glorify God. Maggie, not

Maggie anymore, it's William, had to go through surgeries, which people don't want to do.

They want to do the other kind, but they don't know what this kind. I had to go through surgeries. Some things can never be undone, but I changed my

Social Security. I had to go through all the legal processes. I had to go back through it all.

But I was determined that I would repent and I would find who

God really made me to be. And then William, and this is a personal letter, but I asked

William, is it okay if I read that? He said, it is. I said, okay, if I use your name, I don't have to.

He said, no, no, I want you to. I'm writing a book. I'm going to tell my story. This has been a long time coming. William said this, will you forgive me, first of all, because I didn't tell you who

I really was. I said, well, of course. And then William said, I know this is a sensitive question. Would you baptize me as William, your brother in Christ?

Because now I've been saved and I want to follow Jesus. So tonight out at the beach,

William's going to get baptized as somebody who wants to follow Jesus. And here's what

I want to say to you. I don't know what your story is.

But we have all messed up. We've all believed lies a time or two about ourself, about others, and that's all an idol is.

It's a lie. Well, that was the clip that we intended to play.

And that was a nice summary of what took place in our last interview as well.

And so, William, you were baptized that night and have remained a member there in Clearwater, Florida ever since.

How many years have you been at this church? Well, I first started going there in 2016.

I just relocated there because both my parents had died and I had family that was going to there. Now, when

I say I, at the time, I mean Maggie was going there. And he first baptized

Maggie in 2016. And of course, that was under false pretenses. So a lot has happened since then.

And even since he preached that segment there from that sermon, that was

May 19th of this year, by the way. And it was only a few days prior to that, that I had written that letter to him.

I had actually stopped going there while I was detransitioning. And I was finding it very difficult to let him know who and what

I was. And I put that off until, man, the last minute. But I finally buckled down and I was finishing up the book and I thought,

I have to let him know. And I wrote a letter, that letter to him. And he called me back the next day and forgave me.

And he told me that they were, he was preaching a sermon that very Sunday on repentance, which was a huge thing that was missing in my life.

And I had been a false convert all those years. And so he asked me if he could use that.

And I said, of course. And he also said they were doing another beach baptism that very night. And since he forgave me and he agreed to baptize me again,

I said, sign me up. So we did that. Yeah, a lot has happened since then.

When he preached that, I was sitting in the congregation by myself as William. And that was my first outing in public that anybody had, my story had gone public.

And it was tough to kind of keep it together, you know, because there's no going back from that. And it was quite emotional.

And I still get a little bit choked up when I, when I hear that. And so, yeah, a lot has happened since then.

I'm a member, very active in the church. And I have had to make amends with some people, too.

And I asked a few people for forgiveness, people that knew Maggie and were friends with Maggie.

And they all have forgiven me and are my friends now. And they're supporting what

I'm doing, which is wonderful. Well, praise God. And I know that since you conducted your very first interview with me, you have been on Todd Friel's program,

Wretched? Wretched Radio, yeah. And yeah, just in Atlanta, yeah.

And done some other radio interviews as well, and a podcast in Canada, and a couple of other ministries have just contacted me as well, wanting to do interviews.

I just met with Ken Ham at the Creation Museum, which was kind of neat, and I've talked to Ray Comfort a couple of times.

So yeah, things are starting to happen. And folks, as I've already stated, there's a lot of detailed information, a lot more than was in the clip that we played of William's pastor.

We have a lot of detailed information in part one of this interview. So after this live show is over, feel free to go to ironsharpensirenradio .com

and type in William Allen into the search engine, and you'll see that audio clip come up.

And we hope that you are blessed and edified. And I say this because I don't want us to unnecessarily duplicate too much of what we already took the time to address on the part one, which was

July 1st of this year. And perhaps if you could, if you'd like to add to the clip of what your pastor had to say, anything else that you want to say that basically summarizes what we've already covered?

Yeah, you know, in talking with people today, I cannot help but say over and over and over again that I am still absolutely amazed at the transformation that I underwent.

As we talked about in the first interview, you know, I had dealt with this issue since early childhood, and when

I finally transitioned, I mean, it was just so compelling. The decision was either I was going to transition or I was going to be dead.

And I've got to say, as compelling as that was, that transition, once I was truly saved and transformed, made new, the compulsion to detransition and glorify

God was tenfold, a hundredfold. Several people asked me,

I said, are you sure you want to do this, the detransition? I get that you're saved and all, but you don't really have to detransition, do you?

And I said, of course I do. I mean, how could I possibly talk to others and try to counsel them while I'm still living this unrepentant lifestyle?

I can't do that. Was that Christians who were saying this? It was Christians, and you know, so that kind of makes you wonder where they're coming from and were they in the same condition that I was at the time, you know what

I mean? And it was, yeah, I really had to drive home the fact that I'm totally new now.

I cannot stand living this way. I abhor it, and I want to detransition.

I want to be pleasing in God's eyes. I want to glorify God, and I want others to know why this happened.

And it was because of God's grace and the transformational healing of the

Holy Spirit. And you know, I kept hearing all these pastors that I had started listening to on YouTube, my own pastor, and they were talking about sin and hell and repentance, things that I'd never even heard about before from other pastors.

It was all new. And the thing I was seeing was that they were all agreeing on core issues, maybe some differences on secondary issues, but now the pastor, he made reference to some of these guys in that segment that he did.

And I'll tell you, the ones that he was talking about are, that I told him I was listening to John MacArthur, Ray Comfort, Todd Friel, Paul Washer, Bode Balcom, Dustin Peters, list goes on and on.

And apologists like Frank Turek and Answers in Genesis, you know, Ken Ham and his group. It was just amazing.

And I just soaked up their information. And one thing that got me while I was dealing with all this and learning,

I knew what was missing. I knew that I had to repent. And these guys were putting the law in my face, you know.

And I saw it was like a mirror and I saw myself for who I really was. And it wasn't until then that I realized what

I needed to do. I saw myself for what I was. I saw my sin for what it was. But one thing held me up and I kept thinking, am

I going to have to detransition? Is that what this means? And at the time, it didn't seem practical because I was way more entrenched as Maggie than I ever was as William.

And plus, like Pastor said, some things just can't be undone. And I didn't really see a way.

And honestly, that held me up for almost a year. But then it got to the point, you know, the

Holy Spirit was working in me. It got to the point it didn't matter anymore. I hated my life, the way

I was living. And I said, I've got to find a way. And I did. And that's when

I cried out to God, when I confessed my sins, asked for forgiveness.

And I repented fully and put my trust in Jesus. And I kept hearing all these guys saying, you'll be made new.

You'll be given a new heart with new desires and things that seem pretty lofty to, you know, an unbeliever or a skeptic.

But man, I got to tell you, it's true. It is so true. Hallelujah.

I was given a new heart, new desires. I started to love the things that God loves and hate the things that God hates.

And living the way I was was one of them. So it took me almost three years to get this detransition done.

And part of that was—go ahead. No, no, you go ahead. Part of that was I faced some roadblocks, just trying to find a surgeon to get a mastectomy.

Once surgeons found out what I was doing, that I was detransitioning, they all turned me down.

Amazing. They didn't want to impart. Amazing. Some of the surgeons were probably fine with giving me breasts, but nobody wanted to do it that way around.

It kind of goes against their agenda. And I was at the point where I was going to approach a gender clinic and just tell them that I am a female and I'm going to transition to male.

And they would have helped me in 20 minutes, no problem, done.

But at the last—I didn't really want to use them, but I felt like that was going to be my only option. But then at the last moment, a surgeon in Miami Beach came through for me and he said he would see me and we talked and yeah, we got that done.

And he was real nice, real good. And he told me, too, he would only do detransitions.

He would never consider a transition. Oh, praise God. Is he a Christian? He's not.

Well, he's Jewish, actually. But yeah. Somebody who actually believes in the

Hebrew scriptures? Yeah. Yeah. OK. So that was good. But it still took three years overall.

And I finished that up in October of 2023. So I'm coming up on the one -year mark. And ever since then,

I've been trying to speak out, obviously against the trans agenda, especially as it pertains to children.

And that's one of the things I want to try to focus on today if we can. And also, you know, just spreading the gospel.

Amen. And yeah, that's a huge focus of what I want to do. That's my life now, and I want to keep that going.

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Woman, Transgendered for 30 Years, No Lie Lives Forever. This is part two of a discussion we began in July of this year, and if you have a question, our email address is

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Before we go into some very important information that you want to provide that involves the agenda of the leftist movement in regards to transgenderism, before we get into that, in order to protect the children of our listeners,

I just wanted to comment on a couple of things that you said before the break.

Well, first of all, you had mentioned that this was something that you're detransitioning, you're desirous to return to the biological gender with which you were born.

This was a roadblock, a brick wall you were hitting, seeking the surgical assistance of those doctors that perform so -called transgender surgery, the same physicians that would eagerly and joyfully take your money to provide for you a surgery that would so -called transform you into the opposite gender, which we know doesn't happen.

But when you wanted to return to your biological gender, the one with which you were born, time after time after time until you finally encountered one

Jewish surgeon that not only would help you but would never do the reverse, would never do a so -called sex change operation for someone, this reveals that this is a fraud.

This whole movement of being concerned that what people believe about their own gender identity, what they believe about it is vital to their health and well -being, is vital to prevent suicides, and we could go on and on and on.

Well, obviously, that isn't true with many, if not most, of these frauds in the medical field, in addition to those who are just political activists.

These folks are probably afraid of just the backlash of angry leftists who believe that you would be, in essence, discrediting the whole movement.

Am I making sense here? Yeah, yeah. And I think, to some degree, this speaks to the lies and the deception and the secret agenda of the trans movement, which we're going to get into, because they'll just flat -out deny things that are happening, for which we have plenty of evidence for.

But to clarify, though, in my case, when I was seeking out surgeons, I live in Florida, and so I started with cancer surgeons, mastectomy surgeons, just in my local area.

Now, these were not surgeons that were experienced in transgender anything, per se.

I was just looking for anybody to give me a mastectomy. And so, like I said, as I was describing my situation to them, once I mentioned that I'm actually detransitioning, that's the point at which they just didn't want anything to do with me.

I'm not saying that they had anything to do with the transgender industry, but it seemed apparent to me that they were certainly on the left of these issues.

And I had expanded my search out to plastic surgeons and other surgeons pretty much throughout the state of Florida, and was just getting nowhere.

And that's when I found the surgeon in Miami Beach, Florida. Of course, it had to be

Miami Beach. People come from all over the world to get health care there. It's one of the most expensive places.

And so, yeah, that was a costly endeavor, but well worth it. And so, it's enabled me to do what

I'm doing and start speaking out, and not from a hypocritical standpoint, too, which is very valuable to me.

Go ahead. Well, you go ahead. Well, now

I forgot where I was going. You had mentioned something that is a serious heresy that exists in the body of Christ, the absence of the doctrine of repentance in the gospel message proclaimed by a great multitude of professing evangelical

Christians. How this is very much tied into the seriousness of this whole problem, because you have pastors and your ordinary everyday

Christians reassuring people who are either living a life involved in homosexual activity, or they have been duped into the notion that they should be receiving transgendered surgery, that they have no need to repent of those things to be right with God.

And that's a lie straight out of the pit of hell. Well, you and I both know that there are multitudes of people, professing

Christians, who are not. They don't even know what it means to be a

Christian. If you were to ask them, how did you become a Christian? They can't tell you.

Or they might say, oh, I was born a Christian. Well, no, you weren't. I was raised a Christian. Okay, that doesn't...

No, you're not a Christian. Yeah, I did this event or something and came up in front of the congregation.

That does not make you a Christian. They cannot point to describe exactly how they became a

Christian. And it's clear to me, and there are no fruits of their salvation.

So that's what we have to contend with. And with all the lies that I talk about in this book, how the left and how the transgender ideology has infiltrated churches.

That's a topic that I cover in this book. And this book, by the way, let me just give you a brief rundown.

It's this book, by the way, which is available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble and several other platforms,

Not Man Enough to Be a Woman. It's the first several chapters of the story of my life and how my gender dysphoria struggle from childhood.

And my relationship with my father. It's a father -son story. And when

I told him what I was going to do, it did not go well.

And we were estranged for 23 years. And then there was a deathbed reconciliation.

So it's also the story of how I came to Christ. I put a lot of detail into that. And I give my testimony, and I present the gospel.

And hoping that whoever might read this, even if it is an LGBTQ or specifically trans people or whoever,

I try to do it in a way that's not going to be off -putting to them, but I am speaking truth.

And I don't skimp on that at all. Yeah, the gospel will always offend those that do not desire for Christ to transform them.

And obviously, we are not to add our own unnecessary offenses on top of that.

But the gospel, when truly declared, will always offend people.

Well, and I try to present it in a way that conveys how much better life can be, what a transformational life can be, and how it is to be rid of that compulsion.

I mean, I am healed, and it's been about four years now since I had made that decision.

And I've had no feelings whatsoever, urges, to live that sort of lifestyle anymore.

And I'm just grateful every day for God's patience.

I've been in at least three life and death situations in my life, and so I've had plenty of opportunity to pass on.

And gosh, I was stubborn, and God was very patient with me.

And so, yeah, I tell everybody about that. I'm so grateful. He is patient, but his patience does have limits.

So, I'm trying to let people know about that as well. And I'm sure you agree that—because this is what we are accused of by the repentance deniers who, in my opinion, are false professors in the body of Christ—they're accusing us of teaching that people are earning their salvation.

And in your case, they would be claiming that we are saying, you earned your salvation by re -transitioning back to your biological gender.

We're not saying that. We're saying that if you have truly been born again by grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone, you have—

I didn't do anything. Excuse me? My salvation came before I de -transitioned. Right. But you've been given a new heart, and a new creation in Christ would not be satisfied remaining that way.

Right. And so, therefore, evidence—the fruit that you were truly born again—was that you did stop pretending to be a woman.

Right. Right. Yeah, it was—the fruits come after salvation, and works come after salvation.

It's not salvation because of works. No way. You can't earn it. You can't take it.

You can't steal it. You can't get it in any other way. It's simply by repentance, by grace.

If it involved works in any manner whatsoever, then grace is no longer grace, is it?

Amen. And the other thing I wanted to bring up that you had brought up during part one, you corrected me, which proves that this sin, just like the vast majority, if not all other sins, is not a cookie -cutter situation where everyone involved in a particular sin, and in this case transgenderism, has an identical mindset, ideology, heartfelt experience, etc.,

because you surprised me during part one by saying that you never thought you were a girl or a woman.

Ah, yeah. Yeah, that seems to be throwing a lot of people—today you hear all these people, you hear these men saying, yeah,

I identify as a woman, or I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, or I just am a woman, and no, you're not.

And I never felt that way. From early childhood, I knew there were differences between boys and girls, and I knew

I was a boy, but I just wanted to be a girl. I wished I had been born a girl, and I prayed on that every night and cried myself to sleep praying that God would change me in the middle of the night.

And, of course, that never happened, but I was a child, I thought anything could happen.

And you did not—or should I—I'm going to rephrase that by making a question rather than a statement—did you believe that you had become a woman after the so -called transition surgery and hormonal treatments and so on?

No, never. Really? Yeah, I was never under any delusions to whom or what

I was. I always knew I was a biological man, genetic man, and had some cosmetic surgeries, but I was living as a woman.

I was successful. I passed, and I went to a voice coach and my voice, everything.

And I got to the point where people just didn't know. And I settled into a very comfortable career. I lived and worked around the world, different countries, and people just did not know unless I told them, which was rare.

And when I did, sometimes they didn't even believe it. So, in fact, my best friend and next -door neighbor in Florida, during the time leading up to my detransition, she had no clue.

And when it came time to tell her, that was problematic for me. And I felt bad because she had a relationship with somebody who she considered her sister.

She thought of us as sisters. And, you know, honestly, that's a relationship

I, as a man, was just not entitled to. It was gained under false pretenses.

And so that was a tough conversation. Okay. We have to go to our midway break now.

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Yeah, thanks for that. The last three chapters of the book are devoted to the trans agenda and their lies, their secret intentions.

And in the research that I did, I was stunned. I learned some things that just turned my stomach, but I had to document them.

And I'm still only skimming the surface, but these are things we really need to be aware of as parents, as people going forth with the gospel, churches, governments, officials.

We all need to be aware of these things. I kind of got the ball rolling in these chapters by mentioning a song that came out two or three years ago.

It was by the San Francisco Gay Men's Choir. And let me just read some of these lyrics.

You say we all lead lives you can't respect, but you're just frightened. You think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked.

Fine, just this once, you're correct. And the chorus goes, we'll convert your children.

Happens bit by bit, quietly and subtly, and you'll barely notice it. We'll convert your children.

Now, that ought to send chills down your spine. Sent chills down mine.

Now, just out of curiosity, was this intended to be a farce, a comedy song that was making fun of the—

No, I don't think so. I don't know. In fact, when I watched it, it was hard to find the whole song because two days after they released it, they took it down because there was such a backlash.

And they took it down. So I had to find bits and pieces of the songs from different media outlets that still had it, let's say on YouTube.

And so those were just some of the lyrics. It starts off with one guy singing it, and then it expands out into the whole chorus in a big checkerboard, and they're all singing this.

But when that first guy, when he got to the chorus, we'll convert your children, the look on his face, it changed, and it was evil.

It's demented, and it was scary. So this is what they're doing.

You know, they had gay pride parades recently. And in a recent one, marchers, they were chanting, we're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children.

Now, when these people are telling you who they are, we ought to believe them.

We really ought to believe them. One thing I mentioned, and I added this at the very last moment before it was published.

In recent news, I'll just read this to you. In recent news, the LGBTQ plus community testified before the

California State Assembly in opposition to Senate Bill 1414, which makes it a felony to solicit or engage in commercial sex with a minor, airing a penalty of up to four years in prison and a $25 ,000 fine.

Just to make sure you understand, I repeat, the LGBTQ plus community does not want to go to jail for having sex with children.

Gee, imagine that. So it is just another one of the many lies of the so -called

LGBTQ community, and I hate that.

They're not a community, but it's one of the many lies that this is predominantly, and I've even heard some say exclusively, a heterosexual sexual problem, where heterosexual middle -aged males predominantly are molesting children, and this is not happening at the hands of queers, and I use that term because they use it themselves.

Well, keep in mind, the plus includes pedophiles. Yes, I even had a guest on the program who sought to prove it.

So, Chris, there's a tactic that this community uses, and I want to give an example.

I'm sure you all have heard of Drag Queen Story Hour, and I first heard about this probably 10 years ago, and I just was thinking, what in the world, how could this possibly be a thing?

I mean, who's going to let drag queens come into the schools and read books to children?

And then evidence started coming, videos were coming out of this actually happening in school libraries and public libraries, in the children's section of the library, and they're gathering children up, and parents are there as well, and these drag queens dressed provocatively are reading books to children.

And at first, I didn't even give any thought to the actual books that they're reading. It was later that I started hearing that they're reading books about gay sex.

They're indoctrinating these kids, right? And some of these books that they're reading are very explicit, and they have pictures, they have diagrams on how to conduct gay sex, how to engage in gay sex.

And at first, I just didn't believe it. And so when this all started to come out, what this community did, what the left did, they denied it.

Oh, this is not happening. You'd hear it on the media and government officials, that's not happening.

You still hear it. More and more evidence started coming out, videos started coming out.

And then, so their stance changed, and this is all part of the tactic. First is denial.

The next step is, oh, that's not happening, and it's okay if it is. Right? What's, you know, if it is happening, don't worry about it.

Then it goes from that to, okay, yeah, it is happening, but it's a good thing. It's a good thing.

And then it goes to, why are you concerned? What is your problem? Why do you want to deprive these kids of information?

They put it all back on you. And the, you know, why are you asking questions?

What's it to you? Well, I think we ought to be asking them is, why do these drag queens want to be spending so much time with our children?

Right. Right. But this tactic is being used over and over.

Other things started to happen. Like I said, we started hearing about these books that are in the libraries, and parents are getting upset because their children are bringing home books that their school librarian gave them about queer this and queer that and transing, you know, changing your sex and all that.

And at first they denied it. And then they say, well, okay, maybe it's happening, but it's okay that it's happening.

And then it's a good thing that it's happening. And again, they get to, what is your problem?

They put it back on you. And this goes to gender -affirming care, so -called gender -affirming care.

They can't even call things what they truly are. They have to assign benign -sounding phrases, so -called gender -affirming care and life -saving care.

What they're talking about is putting children, Chris, on puberty blockers, what they call puberty blockers.

Now, these are the same drugs that are given to prison inmates that have been convicted of sexual assault.

They're given to them to chemically castrate them. And the left and physicians even will claim that these are safe and that all they do is pause puberty.

And this is a lie. And they say that it's reversible, and that's a lie.

Permanent damage is caused by these drugs. In addition to these drugs, sex hormones, and those cause permanent damage.

But again, they just give them benign -sounding phrases. And all through that, gender clinics at hospitals around the country, whistleblowers were coming out.

And other people were accusing these hospitals of so -called gender -affirming care on minors, children, as young as six years old, and the hospitals all denied it.

This is not happening. And then they went through that whole cycle of, okay, it's happening, but it's okay.

And then the rest. And so, several hospitals got in trouble about that.

And I document all this in the book. And it really started with feminism.

And as a minority population, like trans or even just LGBTQ in general, how in the world does a minority like that impose its will on them?

Yeah, you're starting to break up, brother. I don't know what's happening. They go through a lot of steps, and they change our language.

They take drastic steps and put in a lot of effort and money into actually changing our language.

One example is they've changed the definition of speech, really, hate speech, and they've designated it as violence.

In Canada, it's actually law now. If you misgender somebody, you can go to jail.

They will arrest you because you have committed violence. If you encounter a trans person, a man who is pretending to be a woman, and you refer to him as sir, you can go to jail.

And that in reality is not misgendering them at all. Correct.

Yeah, you're just speaking truth, but you'll go to jail for that. And where is that?

Where is that happening? Well, that's in Canada, and it's starting to happen here in the U .S. California and other

LGBTQ hotspots, they're trying to get laws on the books where they can designate certain language as violence.

And the reason that they want to do that is so that they can then justify violence against you, right?

So if you say misgender somebody, they can haul off and beat the heck out of you physically.

And they say, oh, I was just, that was self -defense. He committed violence against me was something he said, so I can now legally beat him up or kill him, maybe.

Who knows? Who knows where it's going to go, right? But that's just one of the things, you know, they gaslight, and they come up with all these pronouns and different genders, and they do it with the attitude of you have to conform to their whims.

And if you don't, they'll throw a tantrum. And they make it sound like you're the child, you know?

They infiltrate everything. You know, we just had the Olympics, and I'm sure everybody saw, heard about the two male boxers competing in women's boxing.

Why there's women's boxing in the first place is beyond me, but okay, whatever. But yeah, these two men dominated the women in women's boxing.

And this is happening in women's sports, and they deny it.

The agenda will deny it. There's a documentary out called What Is A Woman? It's done by Matt Walsh.

And there's a segment in there where Dr. Marcy Bowers, who was a transgender surgeon who performs transgender surgeries, and she—I'm sorry, he—states that this is a rarity that men are competing in these sports, and certainly a rarity that they're actually dominating in sports.

And this was what that surgeon said was overlaid onto a montage of men dominating in women's sports.

In the book, I documented five or six pages of men dominating and stealing awards, medals, trophies, scholarships, endorsements, all sorts of accolades from women.

It's so much more than you could imagine. Most everybody's probably heard of Riley Gaines, the swimmer, and the so -called trans male swimmer in the

University of Pennsylvania, Leah Thomas, who was actually William, and he stole the championship from her.

And that one is pretty well known. But there are so many more, so many more, more than you could imagine.

And I've documented a lot of them. It's happening in beauty pageants. Men around the country are beating women in beauty pageants.

And I have a whole page—one or two pages of that listed in the book.

These things are—suicide rates, another thing. They claim that if we don't allow trans or allow children to trans, that the suicide rates will go up.

And they have no evidence for that. No studies claim that.

In fact, a recent study in the UK just disputed that. I'm going a mile a minute here.

I'm just trying to get a lot—I want the to really hear what's going on.

You know, over time, we might hear about a specific incident happen.

Maybe a few months later, we'll hear something else. And any one of these things by themselves, they don't phase us.

What I tried to do here was include a lot, just bring it all together, because I want to get people riled up.

These things are happening. And one of the worst— that just really angers me—is these doctors.

They will come at parents with a question. This question is, would you rather have a dead daughter or an alive son?

Chris, man, that is evil. That is just emotional blackmail. That's right. They're coming at parents that are already in distress about their child who has expressed these urges or these concerns.

And they, in good faith, go find a doctor to try to make some sense out of all this.

And the first thing they want to do is trans the kid. Got to trans the kid. And it's demented.

Just so you know, the transgender medical—it's an industry.

It's a $2 .1 billion industry right now, and that's expected to double by 2030. So is it any wonder that these hospitals and these medical organizations, they're coming out for the kids?

We have a relative question to that from the listener. We have

Denise in Benton, Arkansas, who says, excuse me if you've already addressed this in the program—I'm listening late—but is it hype by the right that children are actually being coached and also permitted to have hormonal or surgical treatments to so -called change their gender by teachers in schools and guidance counselors without the permission of the parents?

It is not hype. The left will tell you it is. Like I said, they always start off with the denials, and then they move on.

But no, I've got the proof right in the book. And I didn't discover the out there.

I just did research and kind of brought it all together. In the book, in these chapters as well, when

I make a claim, I back it up with the actual studies or the evidence.

And I have QR codes there that you can scan that will take you straight to that data or to a video.

And some of horrifying. It's not hype.

No, they are actually coming after me. I have videos of teachers, you know, the multicolored hair pierced and tatted teachers with the pride flags all up in their classroom and the gender books all over the place on the shelves.

And I'm wondering when are they finding time to teach reading and writing and arithmetic and various other things that they need to be teaching?

No, they're hitting their children. Well, they call them their children.

And the message I have for those teachers is they are not your children. That's something that we need to stand up for and let them know.

They are not their children. They are their parents' children. And in schools around the country, there are laws in place right here in the

United States that prohibit teachers from telling their parents about their children's desires.

And so during the day, their children can be whatever gender they want. Now, how do they finance the pharmaceutical or surgical end of that?

Well, they don't go that far in school. They let the children go through the day.

So they'll come in and they can dress in whatever clothes that they want to dress in. And then the teachers will call them whatever they want to be called and use the pronouns that they want to use.

Now, if they can get parents' support and buy -in, then, you know, they go see the doctors and they start getting the

Huey blockers. So in other words, that extreme position can only be done with the consent of the parents?

Well, not necessarily. I mean, you would think in some states, children are being taken away from their parents.

In California, this actually happens. It's law that if you don't support your children's desire to transition, the state can take your children to our protective services.

And you basically have no say. Now, what would happen to the creepy neighbor who's not a school teacher or a guidance counselor?

He has no connection with the school. The creepy neighbor who is... I'm sorry. You glitched out there a little bit.

I'm sorry. Could you back up? What would happen legally, and it may differ from state to state, what would happen legally to the creepy next -door neighbor who is doing the same thing with someone's child, convincing them to dress according to their preferred gender and trying to convince them even to go to the extreme of getting the pharmaceutical, hormonal, and surgical things accomplished?

Would anything legally be done to prosecute just the ordinary creep that lives in the neighborhood doing that who's an adult?

Are you there? Yeah, I lost you there for a moment. I came back. Sorry. I think what you were asking was something about a neighbor.

Yeah. In other words, somebody who's not working for a school but is doing exactly what these leftist, satanic teachers and guidance counselors are doing.

Yeah. Well, it happens. And legally,

I mean, I can't speak really to legally what could happen, but that's a problem. And parents,

I think, need to be obviously concerned and more involved in their children's upbringing.

Back in my day growing up, we just roamed the neighborhood all day long. Our parents didn't know what we were doing.

But today, you can't do that. Parents have to be more involved and keep tabs on what's going on with their children.

It's just getting out of hand. So these teachers, they're indoctrinating their children, and parents are indoctrinating their children, too.

Sometimes parents, they want their kids to do this. I don't know if you've heard of the actress

Megan Fox. She has three boys, and all three of them are trans.

Now, you've got to wonder, what are the odds of that happening? It's impossible.

So it's obvious who influenced that, right? So that's the kind of thing we've got to be on the lookout for as well.

Okay. By the way, Denise, in Bryant, Arkansas, or Benton, I'm sorry, Benton, Arkansas, you have received or will receive a free copy of the book that we have been addressing by my guest today,

Not Man Enough to Be a Woman, Transgendered for 30 Years, No Lie Lives Forever.

If you give us your full mailing address in Benton, Arkansas, you will receive that book.

We have Gail in Fairmount, New York, and Gail asks, has the

Lord used you yet to convince someone out of the transgendered life?

Oh, wow. Great question. Generally, I hope so, but I do know of one, yes.

I have a friend in Canada who, a few years ago, told me that she was going to transgender.

She wanted to be a man, and she had started the hormones. And she told me that it was because of something

I said. And that really broke my heart.

Apparently, at one point, I said something to the effect of, it's never too late. And I certainly was not referring to that.

I mean, she's my age. I'm old. I'm in my 60s, and she is too. But I certainly was not referring to transgendering.

I called her. We talked, and I tried to talk her out of it.

And I also presented the gospel as well. But she eventually stopped.

What happened was she wound up in the hospital. She was on the testosterone. She wound up in the hospital with severe health issues.

And they forced her to stop the testosterone because her body just couldn't take it.

And, you know, maybe that was a blessing in disguise. But she talked to me later. She said, okay, she's put that out of her mind.

It did have an effect on her voice. It lowered her voice considerably. So she has to live with that.

But, you know, she's trying to get through life. There's other issues as well. So there's one, at least that I know of, just with the book and speaking out in debates that I get into on Twitter.

You know, I do get some hate there. And I have a lot of the LGBTQ that come at me.

And I try to engage in debate, and I try to do it lovingly. It would be so easy just to react and try to put them in their place.

But I'm trying not to do that. I find that I'm approaching things a lot differently now, since I've been saved.

And I just look at things so differently now. And so, again, I just try to present the gospel to these folks.

So I hope that I've reached others. I hope I will reach more. Yeah, that's my goal.

Well, listener, you've also won a free copy of my guest's book.

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James in Hookset, New Hampshire, who wants to know, are there any laws in any of the

United States that would make it a crime for a so -called transgender person to keep their true biological identity hidden from someone who becomes a sexual partner or even a spouse?

I'm not aware of any laws. I know that when

I was living that life, I wasn't under any obligation that I know of to come out to anybody that I encountered.

For me personally, it wasn't that much of an issue because I wasn't really engaging any personal relationships like that, but there may be.

I don't know. It's kind of interesting that I've never heard anybody discuss it on television or anywhere else.

Yeah. That's a good question. I don't hear too many questions that I haven't gotten before, but that's a good one.

I'll have to look into that. Yeah. All right, James, give us your full mailing address on Hookset, New Hampshire, and we will have

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Not Man Enough to Be a Woman, Transgendered for 30 Years, No Lie Lives Forever. I'd like you to summarize what you now most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

Well, Chris, here's a bit of information I want to arm your listeners with because you're going to face this.

If you're not facing it personally, you've got a friend maybe who has a child or somebody, you're going to encounter this.

It's getting so popular. I'm just going to read this directly out of the book. The American College of Pediatricians reports that 80 to 95 percent of prepubescent children with gender dysphoria will experience resolution by late adolescence if not exposed to medical intervention and social affirmation.

Now, I fell into the minority of that report, and I did not experience resolution by late adolescence, obviously.

Some of us won't, but the vast majority will, so why not let that happen?

Why would you as a parent let your child go through medical treatments that are harmful and irreversible?

You may think you're doing the right thing for your child, but you're not. You're causing more harm than good, so the vast majority of these kids are going to grow out of this,

Chris, and the medical community is coming after your children. They're convincing your parents to take all these harmful steps, and they're just going to scar your child for life.

There are hundreds, if not thousands now, of young adult detransitioners.

Of course, the left will deny this. Remember that tactic they used, that cycle. They'll deny it, but they're coming out, and they're mad.

They were transitioned as children, and it was not the right thing.

They're detransitioning, and the problem now is most of them are sterile. They can't perform sexually.

They're having a whole host of other medical issues, osteoporosis. They're having heart issues.

It just goes on and on and on, and their lives are ruined, and the left will deny this is happening, but please know that it is happening, and there is evidence.

All you have to do is go find it. Well, I would love to hear about victories in the courtroom with my friend,

Daniel P. Buttafuoco, attorney at law, where he was suing hospitals and physicians for medical malpractice for sexually mutilating children, and I hope more lawsuits like that rise up and that these people are crushed financially.

Yeah, we're going to see a huge rise in litigation on these issues, yes, watermelon crap.

I would also love to see them in prison. Yeah, yeah, so they deserve it.

It's quite vile, disgusting, and satanic. Well, literally child abuse, yes.

Yes. Well, I want to make sure that our listeners know where they can purchase the book.

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Yeah, you can actually go to Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Ingram, just about any of the book outlets you can find.

It is available there. It's available in Kindle version as well, paperback and hardcover. Yeah, please, if you want to support me, buy the book, because that's what's going to keep me in the fight.

Amen. Well, it's been great to have you back on the program. It was utterly fascinating once again.

I want to thank you for doing that, opening up about a very private kind of a situation like that, because you want people to be rescued out of this and be saved by the grace and mercy of Christ.

I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater