April 13, 2016 Show with Dr. Ron Gleason on “Suicide: A Christian’s Response” PLUS Mike Gaydosh on “What’s Hot Off the Press in Christian Literature”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron wishing you all a happy Wednesday

on this 13th day of April 2016 and I'm delighted to have two

guests on the program today that I have grown to really enjoy

interviewing immensely and the first guest that we are going to have today is Dr.

Ron Gleason, pastor of Grace Presbyterian Church which is a Presbyterian Church in America

congregation in Yorba Linda, California.

We're going to be discussing suicide, a Christian's response and then in the second hour our friend

Mike Gaydosh, the founder of Solid Ground Christian Books is going to be letting us know what's hot

off the press in Christian literature over there at Solid Ground so we hope that you stay tuned for both

hours but first of all let me welcome back Dr. Ron Gleason to Iron Sharpens

Iron.

It's great to have you once again join the Iron Sharpens Iron radio broadcast.

Thanks Chris.

And let me once again introduce you to my co -host Reverend Buzz Taylor.

And hello again.

And Dr. Gleason, before we go into the topic at hand, suicide, a Christian's

response, I know that you have done this every time that you've been on the program but just in case

somebody is listening that never heard this broadcast before or is who is unfamiliar with you, let our

listeners know something about Grace Presbyterian Church in.

Yorba Linda,

California.

We are

an ordinary

means...

And when you said

that

you sing the

Bible, are you

exclusive psalm singers?

No,

primarily by the...

Well you may be aware that they also have a

Reformed Baptist.

Edition of the Trinity Hymnal that the congregation where I'm a member uses.

Oh excellent.

Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania and many other Reformed Baptist churches across the

country use the Reformed Baptist version of the Trinity Hymnal.

In fact some of my Presbyterian friends prefer the

Reformed Baptist version because it's an earlier version of the Trinity Hymnal.

Is that the blue one?

Yes.

Yes, yes I've looked at that.

But well it's always a pleasure to have you on the program and Dr. Ron Gleason is a published

author and we love to have him return to Iron Sharpens Iron as often as

he can.

Why is it that you in particular wanted to speak on the issue of

suicide and then why are you seeking to write a book about it?

What was it that drove you to this subject?

Obviously it's a very important subject.

It's a very controversial subject.

It's a subject that touches the lives of millions of people.

But why in particular, what was the driving force behind you getting involved in writing about this or

at least you're.

Hoping to have a manuscript done on it?

I do have the manuscript done and it is available right now.

It's only available through Kindle.

Okay.

But it's called if the listeners would like

to be

reasonably

and I

think

that's

important

thing as

well.

So

I

went

back

in

1990s and he

had it all together.

He had a good life.

Surprise.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so

that was one.

Of the books.

Well now how many issues or books are you planning on in a series?

You said you're.

Writing

a series of

them?

Well

yes I

am.

Right now

I am.

Well

some

might

even say

that there's.

A difference between two gospels there.

Well yeah.

I was trying to be kind.

Yeah.

It's always interesting to me that you'll have one of these liberal documentaries

on Christianity and N .T. Wright is the token conservative on the program.

Yeah.

So you know it's got to be far afield.

Right.

Well it's interesting that you mentioned the pastor committing suicide that you were aware of.

The only other interview that I've done on the subject of suicide was with my

dear friend Pastor Bill Shishko of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square

and sometime in the mid 2000s

sometime before 2010 I believe I interviewed him and the catalyst behind

that interview was the suicide of a pastor

in that denomination that he is in and it shocked everyone.

Right.

And after some time appropriate time after this occurred he wanted to

address the issue because of the confusion and by the way if anybody is interested in getting the mp3 of

that interview with Bill Shishko that I conducted you can email me at chrisarnson at gmail

.com chrisarnson at gmail .com.

I thought he did a very thorough job and I'm quite confident that our guest will today in

addition to that but well the book that you've written When the

Unthinkable Happens correct?

Correct.

In fact it jogged my memory when you said that because my new webmaster

coincidentally or providentially after I had already booked you to speak on this subject he emailed me he says

you've got to have Ron Gleason speak on suicide on your program.

So his wish has been granted here even already

before he asked of it but what is it that you deal with in the book?

Are you dealing with the reasons why statistically many people commit

suicide or is it just the approach that Christians are to take after this.

Happens?

What

would

be the the

main content

of the book?

Yeah.

What I try to

do is and I come to

the

right

and

suicide and

then I

give

us a

working

definition

the

whole

idea of

what

to say

open I mean the one who

is going

pray with you

be with you.

Now as you were going through

these historic.

People you mentioned Augustine and others did you

find any consistency in what they had to say?

Did

you

pick up any

patterns?

Yeah

they were

all

basically

to a

man

ethics or I must

make so if I don't

understand the extension.

Yeah that's

one of the things that a

dear pastor friend of.

Mine reminded someone who attempted a suicide and

survived who was really in some senses

downplaying the seriousness of the of the sin behind it.

Right.

And he had to.

This pastor friend of mine had to remind this individual you got to realize that you just attempted a

murder.

This people seem to look at suicide as something other than that but it is when

it's successful and that's a bizarre way of phrasing successful.

But it's a murder.

If the suicide actually takes place a murder has been committed.

So this is not something that should be taken less seriously than if

somebody kills another human being.

Although aren't there areas.

I mean we sit here very.

We may sound very glib about this and unconcerned about what other people

are experiencing in life.

But obviously even though we would not agree with suicide by

any stretch of the imagination you could at least have some kind of empathy with somebody who is

racked with.

Torturous agony

due

to

some

kind

of an

ailment

or

something.

You can but

and I do

many many

more.

I

could

give a

character

of God would

never

leave us

and

God

would

never forsake us.

And if

we can't get back in modern Christianity to a true

understanding

of the

I

use

one of the things

get

to think about

something I

not

only

am I

but I

know

people over

and you

try to say you

know get

over.

It's a

woman that I knew.

Yeah I know.

Wow yeah

that

sounds like it.

Yeah I

think

maybe this.

May sound like a silly question to some people but perhaps a brief definition of suicide is in order because

some people may think that any action on the part of a person where

death is certain or almost certain would be classified as suicide.

Like for instance acts of heroism where where people are doing something to

rescue others with the goal of the rescue not the goal of

killing themselves but the goal of being of service to others.

And some have even perhaps in a mocking way or perhaps just in a total

misunderstanding of Christ's sacrifice since he laid down his life willingly they

some have categorized that as suicide.

Right.

Yeah I deal.

With those

those

are those

that's

a great

in

terms

of the

states.

And take a

bullet

for

the president of the united states he simply

decide what

happens.

Hey how

are

they going

to impose.

That

was

an

integral

part

was

tip the

farm or the loose.

You

are someone who was created in

God's image.

The flood and that was

carried over.

We're going to go

to a brief

break

right

now and if

you'd like.

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request that you remain anonymous if it's about a personal matter

that involves someone that you know or someone in your family.

So the email address again is chrisorenson at gmail .com.

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Welcome back.

This is chris arnzen and if you just tuned us in our guest today is dr ron gleason.

We are discussing the topic suicide a christian response and dr gleason

has written a book that right now is available on kindle on this theme titled

when the unthinkable happens.

And if you'd like to join us on the air our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Obviously there are two groups of people that need to be reached

when we discuss the issue of suicide as christians.

Primarily the first would be those who are contemplating it uh in the

uh with the goal that you would want to rescue them from even thinking about

such an act but even more importantly from from following through with such an act.

And the second group of people are those whose lives have been crushed who are

in uh mental agony and anguish and sorrow over

the loss of this loved one who has has committed suicide because of the guilt that's often

involved with those who survive and are left behind.

And also because there are some like roman catholics and even

many within the uh the armenian camp the extreme armenian

camp that would go as far as believing that you can lose your salvation even if you are a genuine

born -again believer.

Uh they would say that that person is certainly in hell very often

uh.

So let's start with the uh the first group that we want to reach.

Obviously you've already touched on on some of these things that they need to hear.

But if you could before we reach out to the families let us hear what you have to say to

those who might be listening who are so depressed that they are contemplating this this

sin.

Yeah that's i would.

Say to

help

give

really

was

look

at

one

of my

theses

that

evil

is

called.

A man is

going.

Photographic memory.

Because yeah

definitely.

And

one

day

our son did

not

come

home

on

time

he was at

a

friend's

and we called the house and said no.

He he left here about 15 minutes ago to be home

because it was um.

I said yeah and i

said

everything okay.

And in holland they have

bike paths and this guy

pulled his car over put the bike in the trunk and brought my son in the bike home.

So after dinner we knew a welder put

the bike in the in our car and the guy put it in his huge vice and he's getting ready to

weld this

thing.

He's got the

helmet on and

all

the

ride.

You do

have

people who

think.

Wrongly that they are going to be committing some kind of an act of heroism in their

suicide.

Because they may think that all the people they know uh their family members

their neighbors former friends they may think that these people hate them because of some

evil act they've done.

And they're they feel remorse over this evil act.

They may be ill and be a financial and physical

drain on everybody they know.

And there are all sorts of reasons why people who commit suicide think wrongly that this is some noble

act of heroism.

But uh isn't that just a delusion and and in the end a selfish act even if it's

if it's painted with the brush of heroism.

Yeah

i've

guided.

Everybody's going

to be

better if

i'm

not

around

everybody's

going to be and.

There are even those people uh perhaps this might be something that is more prevalent amongst

young people but they they romanticize the whole notion of suicide.

These are most likely people who do not believe in hell right.

And who.

You might have a a young man whose girlfriend either broke up with him or

perhaps she died and he wants to live on in legend in the community where he

lives by taking his own life as this final act of of

everlasting eternal love for this person.

Or whatever the case may be.

Uh and of course the genders could be reversed.

It could be the girl who does this.

I can even remember many years ago as a teenager going to a concert in new york city and the

trip home was delayed because uh a young man committed

suicide on the railroad tracks because his girlfriend had done the same thing a week or so

earlier.

Uh so this this whole kind of thing this this this is a very dangerous thing that has been

romanticized in movies and books and even music.

A blue oyster cult even had a song that they were famous for.

Uh don't fear the reaper.

Uh romeo and juliet are together in eternity.

We can be like they are.

Come on baby.

Don't feel the reaper.

That was like the the the line that was repeated.

But this is a very dangerous thing.

Isn't.

It

uh it's and

that

more

it's my body.

I can do what i

want to get right.

But did you

create that

body yourself.

You don't think that this body

is on

loan.

Table guides when it comes to how.

We ought to live a blue oyster cult notwithstanding.

And now uh since we only have about uh 10 minutes left or so uh those

who are experiencing the devastation of a loved one who has committed

suicide.

Now uh how do you minister to someone who has been convinced that that person

is certainly in hell.

I mean i know of people uh in fact.

Let me read a uh there's a there's a listener who i want to make sure that the question is asked

uh an anonymous listener from long island new york.

My brother was a devout christian who led me to christ and led many other people to

christ.

He was on antidepressant medication and changed his medication which led

him to the act of suicide.

Should i fear where he is spending his eternal life.

No

conferences

and everything

else.

So

i

would

say to

the ones

who

have

lost

loved

ones get to someone that you trust and that you know

and who is a solid christian he

they

ought to

put the

comfort with which

instead

of just

we know

it's hard how

they

comforted us and let us tell you how our church community

obviously

this is the

subject is

has a two

-edged

sword because on.

The one hand uh you want to be firm with your theology and

our theology as reformed christian teaches us that jesus christ's death

paid for every sin of all of his elect people

and at the same time when we are firm on that and we want to make it clear that

suicide is no exception to that that if one is truly one of god's children

the death of christ uh paid for that sin even the sin of suicide.

On the other hand we don't want to give people a false sense of security that if they

commit suicide that they are going to be with christ for eternity.

Uh even though our theology would would drive us to proclaim especially to

mourning loved ones that the death of christ even paid for the sin of suicide.

Shouldn't those who are contemplating this wonder if they are truly saved.

I think if if nothing else.

I think that's a great one.

The depths of the.

But i do know that he has revealed his my daily life

and my

daily

walk today

is perfect

person who's

done this.

And

temptation is

not common to man.

I'd like to be able to say to you in truth you are the unique event.

But you aren't yeah.

And peter really addressed that a lot too.

Uh yeah no surprise when you encounter all these.

Things exactly exactly.

And i think in our society we are surprised we are surprised when

they're suffering in life and it isn't pleasant.

Nobody and nobody wants.

And one thing i think that we should cover before you leave is there may be people who

wrongly in my opinion.

Perhaps we will hear something different from you but i i tend to doubt it um

people who wrongly are wracked with guilt because they

signed a do not resuscitate uh document at a hospital.

There's a difference between um assisted suicide and

removing life support.

Those are different.

Things aren't they.

Oh hugely

different.

And that's one of the things

about him.

So he said there is in the bible there is a high view of the sanctity of

life but there is not an absolute view that is to say we don't need to try to keep a loved

one alive at all costs irrespective.

So if somebody's

that

particular

that

you don't want to keep

and would

you view in a different

way.

Uh life support.

Systems that for instance pump oxygen into the lungs than a feeding tube with a patient

who's completely conscious.

Like i think of the tragedy the travesty of terry shiavo.

Oh yeah i remember i.

Wrote a lot about and i think when and

uh as but as

far as like

feeding a person who is conscious.

And able to express the motion they're not brain dead or they they show evidence of

reacting to stimulation and so on with smiles and things like that.

Uh shouldn't they the loved ones continue to feed the person through.

Absolutely right.

Absolutely.

Well obviously we could talk about this for many more hours but i know that you could only be on for an hour today and i

eagerly look forward to you back on the program if you could remind our listeners one

more time about your church website.

In any other way that you'd like them to get in touch

with you.

Website

is www.

An email to the.

That's grace presbyterian .net.

And also you could look up on amazon the kindle version of the book when the unthinkable

happens by our guest dr ron gleason.

We look forward to having you back very.

Soon.

God willing brother.

Thank you very much it's always a pleasure to be with you guys.

Yes it's.

Always a pleasure to have you on and i hope that our listeners don't go away because we do have joining us god willing

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Uh.

Our guest our second guest mike gadosh the founder of solid ground christian books

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This is chris arnes and if you just tuned us in the guests that we have for the second hour happens to be the

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It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron.

Mike gadosh.

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May be the first time i'm not i don't know for certain but i think this may be the first time that you have been my guest when

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Oh really you have yes okay yeah hi again.

Nice to talk to you again.

Maybe that was just a memory i was trying to forget.

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In fact we're instrumental in hooking you guys up.

That's exactly right.

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Yeah i find it interesting that uh.

A book that you published that really blessed me tremendously even though i am not a

pastor and many people are thankful over that that fact.

But um the the book by steven ting who i

was surprised after devouring that book on the christian pastor i forget the title right off the top of my

head.

That's the title.

Oh that's okay.

Chris the christian pastor.

And he.

Uh i was surprised that even among the conservative theologically reformed

and calvinistic anglicans and episcopalians of course which is a tiny minority today that he is

even largely unknown to many of them.

I did uh providentially meet and become a friend with the man who

is now the rector of saint george's church in new york city the church that

was actually pastored by steven ting in the 19th century.

Uh.

But uh.

And he in fact that's the very reason why he moved from new mexico

to new york city to pursue the ministry is because he knew of

ting's involvement with that church.

But other than him it's amazing how when i talked to our brother our brethren in christ from

the anglican communion from the uh the reformed wing of it that is um

it's amazing how very few of them even have heard of ting.

And uh.

I'm so glad that you've revived his works.

Yeah i've actually heard the office

and duty of the gospelman and he.

I also have done a book called lectures on the law and the gospel and uh

that is 24 lectures the first 12 on lectures on the law and the last 12 lectures on the gospel.

And brother away

does you know

he's persuaded he's ever

read that his

influence temptations responsibilities enter.

And that was actually a book that was written in the late

1850s and it was uh a combined work by james w alexander

william b sprague john todd

steven

ting at evening time

for the aged.

From me now now that i'm 65 this year um i'm uh

moving to the uh to the position of being called light at evening time.

And steven ting actually wrote the uh introduction a lengthy introduction very helpful entry

is filled contributions by men

like bunyan

samuel davies john flavel john gill thomas guthrie robert hawker

met.

His introduction says the title of this work is well selected.

There is but one light to the

full redemption.

And who gave to its fallen wandering ones the infallible assurance that whosoever followeth him shall

not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life life jesus christ the lamb of god.

And the lord of man is the own is the one living for the aged

and for the young.

The four books that i've published that have either entirely done

that he has a significant contribution in before i ask.

You to get more into the newer releases or soon to be released

books.

I'd like you to tell our listeners something about the book that the pastors and men in

leadership are getting at the iron sharpens iron pastor's luncheon coming up on april 28th.

I know that you're providing books by peter jeffrey and i'm asking for you to tell us something about that book.

One of the reasons is that as you may remember peter jeffrey has will forever

have a enormous place in my heart.

Because when my own mother was on her deathbed providentially peter

was in the united states visiting here from wales going on a speaking tour

and happened to be speaking at calvary baptist church of amityville.

And he sat with my mother all alone

while she was on her deathbed for probably a half hour at least.

And um remember that and i remember the the the weight of

anxiety being lifted off my shoulders because i had such a fear of my mother

uh perhaps holding on to roman catholic superstition that he she had

been raised in as a as her understanding of why she was entering into

eternal glory with christ.

And um and peter when he emerged from that that house uh said to me uh

i don't know what you're worried about this this woman's going to heaven she's a christian she's as clear as day she believes in the

gospel.

And uh although that uh i had already heard my mother uh expressed the

gospel with me.

And in the hospital having that that added weight of of uh evidence

from somebody like peter jeffery was uh was a precious gift from.

God to hear him say that.

Yeah.

Well you're right peter.

Uh peter is a is a precious man.

And he he loves christ and loves the gospel.

And a chain of graces.

It's his life story and one of the reasons why

that's pictures of me in it.

And uh that actually takes the value of it down significantly.

But uh.

But peter uh to the u .s he is

all around the world.

But uh.

Wow.

1992 the day we received in

1992.

And that was actually

the

title

of one of his

own books that he

wrote.

Exactly

he wrote a book entitled he begins it

by telling.

That's the

book

chains

of grace

most

significant ministry as

far

as

conversions

the genuine

conversion.

Many of so remarkable

city

peter

did

with

your

mom

kind

of thing

that the

past so

many past hands of old people to

be pastoring many

men have lost sight of

what they're called to do with the gospel.

And they obviously weren't imitating robert murray mcshane with that kind of attitude.

No no.

Nor any of the victors like ichabod spencer who

would spend the

first

place quite signal

was

always

going

writing down.

And

aren't

people.

Really robbing themselves of such a wealth of knowledge

and inspiration and edification and encouragement and wisdom.

Uh when they have this ridiculous notion that these dead white

guys from the past are not going to be able to speak to our current day uh.

And and our day of modern technology and in our day when there are just

uh sins have crept into the lives and homes of people in ways that they never did before like internet pornography

and just all kinds of things that were not uh in existence even some

some of these things not even a decade or more ago.

But but they they think that that none of these men from the past are going to be able to speak a word to them

in the current situation uh of life.

And that's ridiculous isn't it.

Well it is.

Because obviously the scriptures themselves

were

written 2 000

years ago

and yet we

know invariably they're

responsible and they were

blown away showing

us very clearly.

That's one of the dangers of

that because if

you accumulated knowledge

all we know all we

have now is more we

have to go to.

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Welcome back.

This is chris arnes and before i return to our discussion i just want to announce that the faithful

shepherd pastors retreat is being held may 9th through the 11th at harvey

cedars conference center on the jersey shore and the speakers are dan

doriani and david powelson both of whom have been guests in the past on iron sharpens iron radio.

And if you would like more details about the faithful shepherd pastors retreat go to the

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I also want to remind all pastors and men in leadership either if you live in the

carlisle pennsylvania area or if you're willing to travel there or if you know of a man in

leadership who is either from this area or willing to travel here we are having the iron

sharpens iron pastors luncheon for men in leadership.

This is restricted to men in leadership.

We are not inviting to this event women who are in the office of pastor.

This is strictly for men and it's going to be held thursday april 28th

from 11 a .m to 3 p .m at the beautifully restored and renovated and historic

thornwald mansion in carlisle pennsylvania and i'm delighted

that uh what are you giggling about.

Well you better.

Mention it's it's the thornwald manor.

Not imagine.

Not that's what i said.

Yeah i'm just because uh.

There was a question that came up about somebody thought it was the nursing home right.

It's not.

In the nursing home there is a difference.

It is a mansion and uh it is quite a historic mansion was erected in the early

1900s and apparently uh the society's elite and

and national politicians were entertained lavishly in this mansion.

And unfortunately uh burned nearly to the ground and was restored and

renovated to its original beauty.

And i'm delighted to be one of the first people in fact i am the first person to have a

christian event at this milking.

Yeah there have been weddings and things like that there but there's never been a christian event according to the current owner

at least as far as long as she is on it.

And this is absolutely free of charge.

David wood of answering muslims .com is the guest speaker uh pennsylvania state

representative stephen bloom who is a unwavering christian committed to the

gospel of jesus christ and unashamed of it.

Uh he is going to be giving a word to the men in attendance as well.

And each pastor or man in leadership that attends is going to leave with a sack of books that may

give him a hernia.

Uh when he is leaving the building because the because of the generosity of publishers all the

united states uh donating books for the men including solid grand christian

books that we are discussing right now.

But if you would like to join us that day you better rsvp very soon before we run out

of room and have others that you think may be interested in joining us email me at chris

arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Uh now uh mike uh we are returning to our discussion on solid grand christian books.

And i know that mother's day and father's day obviously are coming up.

Do you have anything in particular that you want to highlight for people looking for the.

Perfect gift for their moms or dads.

Or people who are moms and dads.

Yeah we have been starting

off with moms

for mothers of the

wise and good mothers throughout church history.

And um susan hunt a uh godly woman who's written many very helpful books

through the very questions that today's women are asking.

The engaging anecdotes instructive essays are wonderful.

I have looked for a book like this for many years.

Every mother grandma.

In other words every woman will find great

help.

And what

gathered in

from them.

Beginning with of course monica and saint augustine the the

mother of alfred the mother

mother jonathan

edward wicked

sailors were

embarrassed by

his uh his language.

Or taking the great hymns of the church safety

in the the

boat.

And at times when storvin thought that he was the reason for the storm

that he never forgot.

And and and many times what would keep him from going even further

until she died

at d dwight

lay richmond and many many

more

of a mother's love is on motherhood the

dignity of mothers qualifications essential to maternal duties the mother's

charnel piety

anecdotes

kind of thing that a woman

book

mothers of the wise and good

home by

abbott

that told my

mother.

It was a book very very difficult for me to find.

Um oddly

enough i might have

gotten

the congregational minister named john mitchell.

And uh the story of his mother's godliness is just wonderful.

I dedicated the book to my mom years ago and when she was still alive.

And i've just always loved this always drew

me.

And in these old books on the back of these old books many times they'll have

sometimes even as many as 32 pages.

My mother all the time.

But i never

could

recommend

for mother's day i will wait on the father's day.

For because i know you'll have me back again.

Won't you chris.

Well as a matter of fact.

And of

course

how can i resist chris.

He's just such a precious guy.

And and when buzz is thrown in as a bonus i mean you know it's like well i should be

paying you to do this.

Well actually i think i am this is very well.

We accept.

Yes actually you are paying.

And thank you very much for sponsoring our intrapreneurs.

Iron.

And um i think that you may be in your your confidence of being back in

june to promote father's day books.

You may be guilty of the what the roman catholics call the sin of presumption.

Well do you think you'll have a bunch.

Of new books by then.

I mean how often are you coming up with new books.

Well the new books that.

I'm working on

right now.

You also have chris

and later on

became

college richard steve graham

a pastor in

chicopee mass.

Really copyable

anywhere.

I'm hoping that will be out sometime.

Well and.

It may be coming out but um when you're talking about all these older books i'm still waiting to hear some names that i

recognize.

That's why i mean this is amazing.

The people you're finding because i've like i said i've never heard of them and yet you're talking about these great works.

That have passed away.

It's amazing.

Yeah the uh today um

is by james buchanan.

James buchanan was a great scottish

lived from 1804 to 1870

of that book.

That was a book

that i think work.

In fact it's one of the classic works on justification and for some reason it's been lying around

unpublished 30 years and

someone to write

the

modern

day

into

three

parts.

The spirits work in conversion.

That's part.

One part fascinating part

for me and a part that i really love.

It's entitled illustrative cases.

He has nine chapters.

He has it on the philippian jailer the dying malefactor.

And then

he concludes canon is

uh okay if i read um

oh yeah

definitely

opening section of his uh.

The first chapter is entitled than this.

And he begins with a very solemn

statement

engaged in his own

person death even

his father on his

power is given in heaven and on earth being on the administration

and will err long come in the clouds of heaven.

And that too with the solemnity

or

born from.

And we contemplate the character of him who

speaks.

Can we conceal

that the last day without feeling almighty

power as his openness.

And no man shut it.

Then shut it.

No man open.

It declares that

on the throne

that except a man be born again he cannot

amen.

That's how he opens.

He goes on and full job of

logically laying out the case he then deals after

after that powerful chapter he then moves to a general view of the agency of the spirit.

And then a

general

mind in

any

detail

whether

it's

that is the

great

challenge.

The great challenge

is you must be born again.

And and sadly in our day people are claiming to be born again.

And yet their lives have never been changed.

They've never been transformed.

And almost assume that someday we're going to have the uh

born again adulterous club.

And um people rejoin continuing in adultery

born again.

And yet our our lord and the

apostle paul

says sympathy says.

But we're sanctified

and we must not be deceived.

The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom.

So you have that

founding those story of the apostle paul and and

lydia.

And and just the incredible incredible

i've

always loved

in that

one

chapter

included that

god was calling them to preach that

and help people

what's the

greatest help.

That's

why

i love

tony

the demoniac girl

in possession.

And and of course as a result of that paul was beaten and

dramatic scene of the cologne

life.

And and he and

his household

i definitely

want to

have you

address.

A book that includes a chapter at least a chapter by one of

my co -hosts heroes.

I want to really pique his interest.

Now here uh the late uh dr greg bonson.

I know that you've published a work called the risen christ conquers mars hill.

Yes.

And uh dr greg bonson is one of the contributors to that.

Uh i don't know if it is it's.

Is it still grammatically correct.

Let's call someone the late when they went home to be with the lord in 1995.

Oh yeah i think that would be still appropriate.

But he's considered as you know uh by many to be the greatest apologist of the 20th century.

And if you could tell us something about the risen christ conquers mars hill.

Yeah that's a uh i can't remember what it was that brought

brought to my mind.

Supposed

to be

the

first

in a

series of

samuel

davies

the universal judgment paul

in ethnicity

and nature of christianity john edie paul at

athens paul the preacher from chapter 10 jc ryle

bb warfield false religions and the true

studies cornelius van till

paul at

i'm sorry.

What is the title of the book.

It's the risen christ conquers mars hill.

Now when you say.

It uh you were disappointed you're speaking about the sales about it.

Oh absolutely yeah yeah yeah.

It's just that

definitely more that people want ebooks have the ability to

books because i have the amount of work

that would have so

what i have to do is literally take these take these.

12 chapter re you know

put all i'm

saying oh well

we'll try to

we'll try to change.

That the best we can and we're out of time.

Actually brother and i know i know that.

Your website is solid -ground -books .com solid -ground -books

.com.

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We look forward returning to the program.

Thank you reverend buzz for being my co -host.

I want to thank all of you listened.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a far greater savior than

you are a sinner.

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