April 14, 2021 Show with Roger Salter on “Some Thoughts from the Valley of Vision”

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And I'm thrilled to have back on the program one of my favorite regularly

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That's Roger Salter, who is rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

And today our theme is going to be Some Thoughts from the Valley of Vision, a Collection of Puritan

Prayers and Devotions.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Roger Salter.

And if you could, tell our listeners something about St. Matthew's Anglican Church in

Birmingham, Alabama.

Well, if

anybody

wants

to find out more information.

About this fine congregation in Birmingham, Alabama, you can go to

stm, which stands for St. Matthew's,

stmanglican .weebly .com.

And that's w -e -e -b -l -y .com.

Stmanglican .weebly .com.

And you can also go to rogersalter .com.

That's s -a -l -t -e -r rogersalter .com.

Well, this book that we are going to be addressing today that you are going to be gleaning

from obviously has been a blessing to you, which is why you wanted to discuss the

contents of this book.

It was edited by Arthur Bennett, and the Valley of Vision really caught on, if you will, and

started to sell like wildfire, has enjoyed

very wide purchases all over the world.

It's become a favorite of many Christians, especially of the Reformed persuasion.

But there's really not much known about the editor, is there?

Not a great deal.

Quite a number of reprints.

I mean, mine is old by now.

I think it's 2005.

It died enormously.

When did you first discover Valley of Vision, and when did it begin

to truly bless your heart, your mind, and your ministry?

There in London.

An endorsement for this book that was written by someone

that no doubt will be highly respected by many in our audience, somebody who has been

a guest on Iron Troupe and Zion Radio back in the old days when we were broadcasting out of Long Island, New York,

on WNYG and WGBB radio, Dr. D .A. Carson.

And Dr. Carson writes, The prayers in the Valley of Vision are steeped in

Scripture, yet never succumb to mere formula.

They are theologically fresh and vibrant, yet they are rooted in confessionalism.

They range over a huge sweep of Christian experience and devotion, but they are never

merely esocentric or cute.

They brim with deep emotion and transparent passion, but they carefully avoid

mere sentimentalism.

This is a book that teaches readers to pray by example.

That's an excellent commendation, and also reminds us of something very important.

As much as we might love any book of prayers like this one,

we must be careful not to become mechanical ourselves and do as the pagans do and do as the Roman Catholic Church

does, and be guilty of vain repetition and just read prayers

and mechanically regurgitate them over and over again

without any heartfelt emotion or without any

thought of what we are actually saying.

This is a book that is to enrich the lives, the prayer lives of the readers

by example.

Am I right?

Absolutely.

I mean, in his introduction, Arthur Bennett says,

...substitute for heartfelt prayer, even though it moves the heart.

Amen.

And obviously that description that Dr. D .A. Carson provided, and even the way

that you are describing it, should put people at ease in

regard to apprehensions they may have over a false

caricature of who the Puritans were.

They may wrongly understand the Puritans as being nothing more than

hard, harsh legalists, passionless

people, overly stoic people,

even dull, unfeeling people, which was

really a concoction of the enemies of what the Puritans have taught, is it not?

...by a series of lies

that among

the most

were

a travesty.

You brought up an interesting phrase.

You used the phrase, Anglican Puritan, and I have probably

spoken with more Anglicans recently in my life than I ever have

before in my life, because of the fact that we have a growing audience, a

rapidly growing audience of conservative, reformed Anglicans

who listen to this program and support it and promote it.

And from time to time I'll hear from someone, I don't know how widespread this is, but there is,

it seems, at least to some degree,

an element within Anglicanism that is unfavorable towards the Puritans,

perhaps because of the nonconformist stand they took centuries ago and

having their own opposition to the way that the Church of England was functioning and wanting to return

to what they perceived as the biblical roots of their faith.

And is that something that is typical or widespread?

I'm speaking of within confessional, conservative, reformed Anglicanism, not the

apostate version of this.

Is there still a considerable anti -Puritan sentiment, even in the

circles that you would be familiar with?

Yes, I think it's quite as strong as you and I know.

Puritans

and

their

men

like

present

poverty until

1939 articles.

And of course your phrase that you used, Cranmerion, is in reference to the great English reformer

Thomas Cranmer, who somebody, I know I've said this before on this program,

somebody should make a major motion picture about him.

I think it would even fascinate secular audiences.

But because of the fact that most people could probably relate to him in

the fact that he was a man, unlike many other heroes of the faith, who

was like Peter in his denial of the faith for a period due to fear,

something that has and does profoundly affect most of us,

and in some ways larger ways than others, or in some people larger ways than others.

But he, out of fear of the torture and execution

that he would face by the Church of Rome when the Church of England swung back after the death of

King Henry VIII, when it swung back into Romish control,

he denied the Protestant faith, and yet then later on when

his conscience got the better of him, a Holy Spirit filled conscience, he became ashamed

of his recantation, and then recanted his recantation,

and when he was being, before he was burned alive, he made sure that the hand

that signed his recantation of Protestantism was burned first in the flame.

Yes.

Wow.

The awful thing, he had to look out of the window.

That would probably make a good base to suggest.

Well, I hope that gets into somebody's hands who has the skills and the ability to

create such a film.

You see,

when the, a

lot of

Anglicans

thought

that

Cranmer was a person of no account,

a disaster, it was Richard Hooker that everybody latched on to.

Well, I would like to refer our listeners to get a fuller, lengthier,

and more detailed account of the life and legacy of

Archbishop Cranmer, Thomas Cranmer.

I'd like to refer you to the archives of Iron Troupe and Zion Radio, irontroupeandzionradio .com,

and in the search engine, type in N as in Nancy, U -L -L, that is

the last name of a biographer of Archbishop Cranmer, Ashley

Null.

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All of Dr. Null's interviews will come up, including his interviews on Thomas Cranmer.

He is considered one of the foremost living experts on the life, teaching, and legacy

of Thomas Cranmer.

Would you agree with that assessment?

Absolutely.

Very quickly, because we know that that's not the subject today, but what are some of the ways he's been misrepresented?

Well, I've got to be careful because there are many...

When I say these things, it's a general opinion.

Yeah, they

make

Hooker

out to be somewhere

via media, don't they?

And I'm assuming

that since you

laid a lot of the

blame.

For this at the feet of Anglo -Catholicism, it's probably due to the fact that the 39

articles of religion that Cranmer drafted,

they're clearly very opposed to Romish idolatry and things connected

uniquely with Rome, aren't they?

Well,

we have

to go

to

our

first

break

right now.

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Roger is the rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, and we

are discussing some thoughts from The Valley of Vision, a collection of Puritan prayers and devotions.

If you could, Roger, give us some more insight into this book

and some reasons why you cherish it so.

Of course, I'll endeavor to do that, but I wondered

if I could...

Excellent, yes, yes, definitely.

Because they are an excellent list from

Thomas

Shepard...

Nothing but a bunch of lightweights.

It's been spread over several generations.

Wow.

And making a

bad choice.

But could I read the one that...

Oh, yeah,

definitely.

...titled The Valley...

Praise

God.

And what better way to hear that than in your voice, brother.

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It was a great joy to do it.

I appreciate that.

Well, tell us some more of your insights or reasons for loving this book

so much.

It was an uplift.

You can feel free to read the whole prayer.

Praise God.

A very simple message.

It's not a question, but a very simple word of encouragement from Mary in

Cork, Ireland.

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I just wanted to let you know that you are blessing someone there in Cork, Ireland,

over our discussion today.

That's lovely to hear.

Oh, that's right.

That's right.

Yes, lovely greeting and mooring.

Well, praise God.

Now, in your own description, before you read that prayer to the Trinity,

which is another thing that this book should serve as an example to us to remember

the Triune Godhead in our prayer life.

We very often, I think as Christians, I even could say that personally, are not praying to the

Triune Godhead.

We're praying typically to Christ, to the Father through Christ.

But that's a reminder, that prayer, that beautiful, breathtaking prayer that you just read.

But also, in your own description that you were citing earlier of the

value of this book, one of the things that this book will provide

for the average Christian is to

think very seriously about what should be included

in a healthy prayer life.

Not, as we were saying before, words that are robotically regurgitated

and repeated like the pagans are guilty of,

but the concepts and themes and elements,

not that they need to all be in every prayer, but in our prayer life in general

must be, or should be, at the very least, included.

Am I right?

Because we can, unfortunately, fall into the trap of presenting to God a laundry list

of things that we want and troubles that we want to be rescued from,

but we can fail at times to worship Him in our prayer.

Am I right?

Yes.

Psychologically,

some are very...

You know what I mean?

The author, Arthur Bennett, when he was actually...

I just think that it's utterly amazing, the providence of you being in the

former offices of Banner of Truth in England when Arthur Bennett

submitted the manuscript for this book.

I don't know if you had a chance to speak with him about it, but I was just wondering if

you knew how he went about selecting these wonderful prayers.

No, we had

no idea what

he was...

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Before we return to our interview today with Roger Salter on the Valley of Vision,

we just have a couple more announcements to make, very important ones.

Many of you have been joining me in prayer for Voti Baucom.

Voti is certainly a precious gift to the body of Christ, and you've

been hearing his name come up in the commercials for the G3 Conference in

Atlanta, Georgia, where I will be manning an exhibitor's booth, God

willing, September 30th through October 2nd in Atlanta,

Georgia.

This will be my fourth year at the G3 Conference, and Voti Baucom

has been scheduled on the roster along with over 20 other speakers, and at this point,

we are not 100 sure that Voti will be on that roster in the fall.

He may remain on that roster, but a lot of it has to do with his health,

and I just want to remind our listeners to pray for Voti.

He had quadruple bypass surgery and has been released from the

Mayo Clinic and he is apparently so far doing well,

is enjoying his reunion with his family after surgery, and

the last I have heard is that he has a long road of recovery ahead of him, but everything

seems to, at least at this point from my latest update on him,

everything seems to be going well so far after his surgery, and I will keep you updated as

to other further progress and hopefully good news and praise

reports that we hear about Voti and his recovery, certainly an

invaluable gift to the body of Christ.

We don't want Voti to leave this planet any time soon because of the

wonderful blessing he is to the Church at large, but let me just read briefly

Tom Askell of Founders Ministries, a close friend of Voti.

Let me read his latest update.

Voti has been released from the Mayo Clinic and has been reunited with his family,

seeing his children for the first time since his last surgery.

He has a long road of recovery in front of him, but is full of faith and determined to do the work

required to get back to the Gospel ministry that he loves.

Keep praying.

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That's also the email address that sent in a question to Roger Salter on the Valley of Vision,

our topic today, which is a collection of Puritan prayers and devotions that

has made a huge impact on the life and devotion and ministry

of my guest, Roger Salter, and, of course, thousands of others spanning the

globe who have discovered this treasure of literature offered by

Banner of Truth and also one of our sponsors, sulla -brown -books .com,

where you can purchase this book as well.

Send that email to us at chrisarnson at gmail .com if you have a question, and we do have a

question from a regular listener of this program, a regular listener, and also a faithful supporter

financially of Iron, Sharp, and Zion.

That's Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina.

Greetings, brothers.

The Valley of Vision has become a regular part of my devotions since being introduced to it several years ago.

Like you, Brother Salter, I, too, tend to dwell on the prayers for several days.

I've also found out another book, Piercing Heaven, which is also Puritan prayers

and gives the name

of the Puritan that said the prayers.

It, too, has become part of my worship to our King.

Are you aware of it?

That's Piercing Heaven.

I know I've seen an ad for it myself.

Have you heard of it?

I certainly haven't at this time.

I'm fairly certain that it is a publication of Lexham Press,

L -E -X -H -A -M.

I'm not 100 certain at this point, but I'll confirm that at some point during the

interview.

But it's something that I've seen glowing endorsements for,

and I trust the discernment of our dear friend Grady in Asheboro,

North Carolina, for recommending it.

In fact, while I was rambling on here, I did find the book on Amazon, and yes, it's a

Lexham Press publication.

So you can purchase that at Amazon, or you can go to cvbbs .com,

preferably one of our sponsors, cvbbs .com, who have Lexham

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they will certainly order it for you, and that will help us if you tell them that you heard about cvbbs .com

on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

But thank you, Grady, and guess what?

You have won a free copy.

One of the bonded leather editions of this

wonderful book, The Valley of Vision, that we are discussing today.

Since you already have it, you can either give it away as a gift, or if you don't have a

bonded leather version of it, you can keep it yourself.

You can do whatever you would like with it.

We want to thank BannerOfTruth .org, BannerOfTruth .org, for providing us with

this limited number of free giveaway copies of The Valley of Vision.

Thank you for being such a faithful listener, Grady, and if you could, Roger, pick up where you left off

and give us some more insight into this wonderful volume.

Yes, certainly, Chris.

Could I just...

Oh, definitely.

I'll never stop you from doing that since they help pay the bills and keep the lights on around here.

Okay, well, it's an excellent book entitled, Leaving Dark Land.

The instruction manual gives the things.

Praise God.

I've actually done an interview with the author of that book quite a while ago.

Oh, wow.

Wow.

Yes.

I didn't know that.

And this

is a congregation.

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But I cannot help but continue to sing the praises for that fine publishing company, Solid

Ground Kitchen Books.

And if anybody wants to hear that interview with the author who is now enjoying

glory with Christ for eternity, just type in Dark Land in the search engine at

irontropensoinradio .com for the archived recording of that interview.

And back to The Valley of Vision, what more can you bless us with in regard to this

wonderful book?

Upon my Redeemer's sake, I count myself...

Beautiful.

Prayer is such a vital element

of the Christian life.

How do you respond to the critics of Reformed theology who

say that if God has really ordained all that will come to pass in heaven

and on earth, that prayer is unnecessary in their

understanding, in their caricatured understanding of what we believe?

How do you respond to that?

The thing is, listening to harmony

is meant to move harmony.

Yes, of course.

Read it.

Let me repeat our email address while you're looking it up.

If anybody would like to join us with a question of your own, it's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

We

don't

have

a

full and infallible knowledge, but I think

I'm not

going to take care of my health or nourish my body or live life with due caution.

We do all of that.

We have a question from Christian in Western Suffolk County, Long

Island, New York.

Christian says, I hope I don't sound like a word -of -faith heretic,

but sometimes it troubles me to listen to my fellow Calvinists pray

because there seems to be such little expectation in the prayers that God

will actually answer those prayers the way we hope he will.

Do you find this to be true?

Is it just my experience?

I am not saying that we should not always pray according to the will of God, but there seems to be such

pessimism infused into the prayer life of many Reformed people, and I hope that

matters change in that regard, crossing churches and denominations.

I think

animated

prayers among people is

an animated,

vital relationship,

and

praying, I think

we

can.

Thank you, Christian, and give us your full mailing address in Western Suffolk County, Long Island, because you have

also won a free copy, a leather -bound, a bonded leather

edition, of The Valley of Vision, compliments of our friends at The Banner of Truth,

and also compliments of our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, who will actually be physically shipping

that out to you.

Look for the return address label of CVBBS .com on the package in the

mail, and it hopefully will be arriving in the not -so -distant future.

We have Lou in Sharpsburg, Pennsylvania, another very

generous supporter of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, and Lou says, Hello, brothers.

I just tuned in, so I'm sorry if somebody already mentioned the book I'm asking you about.

Are you familiar with a devotional book called Morning Exercises by William Jay?

It's probably the best devotional I've ever read.

John Foster called him the Prince of Preachers, and yes, I'm familiar.

That title has been assigned to Charles Spurgeon as well.

Thanks.

Morning Exercises by William Jay.

Are you familiar with it, brother?

I am, but I've got so many books piled up behind my

chair, and part of the morning exercise is lifting it because the volume is quite...

Well, I'm sorry?

The Banner published his life, and I've read that, and I've...

Well, thank you, Lou, in Sharpsburg, Georgia, and you have also won a free copy

of the book that we are discussing, The Valley of Vision,

and give us your full mailing address so that CVBBS .com can ship that out to you, and we thank

Banner of Truth once again for providing us with the limited number of free copies we can give

away today.

In fact, that is the final free copy that we have been given to give away, so

providentially you will receive that book, God

willing, in the not -so -distant future.

Before we go to our final break, Roger, could you please provide for us or read

to us another one of your favorite prayers from this volume?

I'm

going

to

skip

and

think

highly

of

myself.

Praise God.

Well, we're going to our final break right now, and if you'd like to join us with a question of your own, send in your

question fairly quickly because we are rapidly running out of time.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

Give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Don't go away.

We'll be right back with Roger Salkin.

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Welcome back.

And Roger Salter, if you could provide for us one more reading from the book before we run out of

time.

I would love to, Chris.

This one is entitled

Supply Thy Promises.

Show me my future happiness.

Wait for joy.

Long for joy.

Give me more than I need my times

at my work.

Visit me at night.

Give me joy in the morning.

Let me rest in the thought of thine.

I am an unworthy recipient of thy blood.

And let

cunning repentance dwell

forever.

Amen.

And isn't one of the values of a book like The Valley of Vision

to educate ourselves on how to pray

by seasoned Christians from the past who have lived lives very

often that have faced horrific trials, people who have

remained obedient to Christ in the face of persecution and all sorts of

conflict, where we are merely learning as students

to make our prayer life more rich and more deep and more worshipful.

Isn't this one of the reasons why such a book should be a valuable addition to

our libraries?

We

have

a

listener,.

Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who wants to know, have you ever heard of

Streams in the Desert by Mrs. Charles Kalman, which is another devotional.

I was wondering if I should continue reading it in your opinion.

I'm familiar with that book and I did enjoy it then,

but it's a long time ago.

I certainly enjoyed it.

Yes, I was actually given that same devotional as a gift when I first became

a Christian.

And I just remember one particular poem that

has been etched in my memory that I really enjoyed was

a poem called, I believe, I'm going by my memory now, Sweet Briar

Rose.

I don't know if that title,

it was either called Sweet Briar Rose or Crushed Briar Rose, so I

can't really remember which one.

But I remember the theme of the poem was that this rose, called the Briar

Rose, could only be smelled and it had an absolutely

glorious aroma and it could only be smelled if the flower was crushed.

And it was basically an analogy of Christ's being crushed on the

cross and the beauty that came from that.

And even, if I'm not mistaken, the lives of Christians become even sweeter when

they suffer affliction and trials and so on.

Yes, I think I recall that.

Yes, and I believe I even read that poem at my own mother's wake in 1995.

But if you could, give us a summary of what you most want etched in the hearts and minds

of our listeners today about The Valley of Vision.

If you would like to get a copy of The Valley of Vision, of course you could go to

the publisher who has provided us with the free copies that we gave away.

Obviously, your copy won't be free.

The show is over, folks.

But if you want to go to www .BannerOfTruth .org and actually I prefer you go to

one of our sponsors that actually helps keep this program on the air.

Www .Solid -Ground -Books .com has quite a number of different versions of The

Valley of Vision and you're not going to be punishing Banner of Truth by purchasing from www .Solid -Ground

-Books .com because they have to order them from Banner of Truth.

And also www .CVBBS .com is another place where you can purchase the book.

Don't forget about Roger's websites.

They are, first of all,

www .STMAnglican .weebly

.com.

Www .STMAnglican .weebly .com and

also www .RogerSalter .com.

Www .RogerSalter .com.

I want to thank you so much, Roger.

Could I just say, I don't want people to confuse Weebly with Welby.

Okay.

All right, don't confuse that.

I want to thank you so much for always being such a superb guest, Roger.

You've become quite a favorite amongst many of my listeners.

I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write in a question.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a

sinner.