Creating your own religion and Greek Orthodox | Apologetics Live 0012

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Program Introduction and Upcoming Debate Discussion

All right, we are live, Apologetics Live, every Thursday night, 8 o 'clock Eastern time, to answer your apologetic questions, challenges, debates, whatever you may have. We are here with Matt Slick from CARM .org, that is Christian Apologetics Research Ministry.

I'm Andrew Rappaport from Striving for Eternity, and we are here to answer your questions. And tonight, there was a debate that went on with, on Calvinism with James White. And I did shoot a message over to Leighton Flowers, who is doing a live watch party, and then an after show, and I said, hey, why don't you come on over here and inform us on the debate?

And Matt, as folks may be coming in here, you will talk about the debate you had with Leighton on some of the issues of Calvinism. And if folks want to join, you can go to ApologeticsLive .com, ApologeticsLive .com, and there is a link to join that is on there.

If you're on that page already, you may have to refresh the page so that you can get the link. So we're here every Thursday night, except for next week. As a note, we will not be having the Apologetics Live next week.

So just so you know, but Matt, we are making some good headway on the Christian podcast community. We got some news, someone you know, Justin Peters, we just got him set up. He's finally, after like a year, actually a year and three months, I think he said, he's going to finally be podcasting again.

And so just getting that set up. And you know, Justin, for some of the stuff he does with the Word of Faith, but he's the best with that. And yet what he really likes to talk about is theology and things like that.

So that's mostly what he's going to do on his podcast is some things that he's not as known for speaking on. So looking forward to that. So Matt, you were recently on, I'm trying to remember the name of the Arab radio, trying to look.

ABN.

ABN. Aramaic Broadcasting Network, right? Yes.

Joseph Smith and Muhammad: Parallels Between Mormonism and Islam

So now you guys were discussing parallels between Joseph Smith and Muhammad and here was, we wait for folks to come in. Maybe we could talk about that because I, I remember when I was studying Islam, noticing the similarities and I thought it was really strange.

And then a mutual friend of ours, Eric Johnson actually told me he wrote a little booklet and I have it somewhere on the similarities between Joseph and Muhammad. So while we wait for some folks to come in, what are some of those similarities?

I don't know.

So what were you on ASAP? I like doing that to you, you know, I do because here you are ready and I just derail your train. I don't know what you're talking about.

Well, if you want me to follow the parallels, I could do that.

Well, actually I released an article for it. Both say the Bible is corrupted. Both say that the Bible prophesies their particular prophets. Both say that their prophets received angelic information by which, by which the truth was restored.

Both have a sacred new revelation. Both say that their new book is the only correct one or most correct. Both this is something a lot, not a lot of bring out, but both groups associate their prophet with salvation.

You know, some LDS people say that you have to accept Joseph Smith as a true prophet or you can't be saved. And of course, you know, you must obey a Muhammad, actually Allah and his prophet and things like that.

Similar kind of thing. Both groups say their God is the only true God and that their religion is the only true religion. Both deny the doctrine of the Trinity. Both have, like I said, additional scriptures.

Both teach salvation by works. Both, now Joseph Smith used to teach and he did taught polygamy was part of a religion and Muhammad taught the same thing. So does Islam. In both groups, you have the issue of testimony in that the shahada in Islam is to say there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.

And in Mormonism, you're supposed to say, basically, I bear my testimony that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God and that the Book of Mormon is true and the LDS Church or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the true and restored church.

And these are the professions that qualify you as being official members of their groups. So there's a lot of similarities and there's differences too. But those are the similarities.

You know, there's actually more that you could add to there here because you have both of them married and had sex with girls at very young ages, preteen. You have both of them. And as what I first picked up on that thought, interesting.

Both of them had received some revelation they claimed from an angel, though they doubted it was an angel at first. And both of them were in a cave or in darkness when that happened.

Right. What I'm trying to do is find documentation for both of them. And I ran out of time because, you know, I just got so much to do. But where, okay, let me ask you, where's the issue of darkness with a revelation in Joseph Smith's case?

Well, supposedly it got dark just before there was a light, right? My understanding from the, I'm trying to remember if it was the first account or he had like eight different versions of it. Yeah, there's a lot.

I think it was either the first or the third account where it was dark. He was in the woods. It was dark.

And then all of a sudden there was this bright light. Yeah, there's that. But also what I like is that in order for him to get the revelation of the truth of the Book of Mormon, he had to put his head in a hat and seal the light so that there was no light present in the hat and he'd get revelation.

Correct. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is, and for folks that don't realize, he supposedly translated the Book of Mormon letter by letter. He'd stick his head in this hat and see a letter appear and that's how they got that. He's whacked.

Yeah. If I was sort of cult, I'd do it differently. Yeah.

You got me. Okay. You got me nervous last week with that guy, Ron Rand, that I hope he comes back, but I think he is here. Good. You got me nervous. You and I talked about this off air, but you and I were at your house and we were coming up with a thing when we had our old show of doing like a skit of creating our own cult.

Right. And I remember we're sitting at your kitchen table and I mean, we were just coming up with a really crazy, funny ideas and all of a sudden I said something, I don't remember what it was, and you got all serious like all of a sudden and you're like, we can't do this.

We can't do this. What? What? We're like, no, no, we can't do this. And I'm like, what's wrong? And you suddenly got serious. You're like, look, we can't do this skit. If we do this skit, someone will actually believe this someday we're going to be coming up and saying, look, we invented this cult and some people are going to be deceived by this.

We can't do this. Yeah. So afraid of that. And then last week with Ron, he's starting his own religion, R-A-L-L. And you're like, oh, I'll help you start your own religion. I was like, no.

What was the reason I said that though?

Well, I think we'll get to that when we get him on. Because you did discuss that on the after show over at the council. So, uh, there was a question that came in before the show started from Levi, uh, a good Jewish name.

And by the way, you had, you had on the, your recent Metzlik live podcast, you had a guy, David, a Jewish guy that you talked to on pal talk, right? Oh, we, we got to get that guy out here where you can discuss that longer, where he was denying Christ as, as Messiah that unfortunately the time with radio limits you to going through things that would have been great to have a longer discussion with him.

But Levi asks this question. He said, what is the will of the father?

Well, the father is that we listen to Jesus. Okay. That's one thing. What the will of the father is, is hear him. This is my beloved son. Hear him. The will of the father is specifically that we listen to Jesus Christ.

So that's what we're supposed to be doing real quick. Be basic.

Yeah. So, and if Levi, if you are watching, there's more of it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if Levi comes in, we, I mean, I'm sure he had more to that. So let's see. So I'll first add in, Kat was the first one in, but Kat's always quiet and doesn't say anything.

Well, she said she's got a little, you know, cold or something. She may not be talking.

So trust me, it's a hot, nasty mess.

Hey, just go get some pure vitamin C, mix it, equal measurements of baking soda. There's a relationship between those and, and just go through and, and do it. Take care of it.

Well, that baking soda, the effervescent.

It makes, yeah, the combination makes it bubble. And after about two minutes, the bubbling stops. And someone told me about this. I forget what the reason was, but it's gone. You know, the effervescence leaves and then it's just, it's not bad, not good tasting, but there's a combination between the two that does something, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's really good for you.

Oh, I couldn't do that. Thank you. In the meantime, I'll try to be quiet because I'm just too wet tonight, gross and bubbly. All right.

And the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah is your technical language there, Matt?

Yeah. And, uh, which means I don't remember what it was, trying to sound intelligent and I blah, blah, blah my way through it, which doesn't really work anyway. So that's, that's about it.

Hey, listen, so since, since this next conversation might go long, let me, let me give a plug for our sponsor early rather than later, because I want to add, uh, Raul in and he's going to correct me. I probably butchered his name like four different times, four different ways, but correct me.

Um, and I, I forget actually his real, I think he has his, that's not his real name. I think he gave that on the after show, but anyway, uh, we're sponsored here by my pillow. Um, actually it's the Metzlick live radio show that's sponsored by my pillow, but we use that here, um, to help pay for, well, Matt's radio station, not what you're listening to here, Matt's radio program.

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So that's hopefully going to happen in January, but you want to get a, my pillow and sleep like Matt and I do. And we know that I sleep better than Matt, but much less time.

That's because you don't have as much brain activity.

No, I, I don't need as much sleep as you. Cause I just go right to sleep. I don't fight it.

You just go to sleep cause you don't work your brain. I'm always working. And uh, so my brain needs more rest.

Apparently you don't need much rest. So that was, I tell you, well, I, I think more what it is is that my brain is actually just working. It goes right into sleep mode. And then I'm back cause I'm, I only need a couple of hours on like you who, you know, you need that long, like eight hours, eight hours, you get more use out of your, my pillow than I do.

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And so with that, I want to bring, and he's going to correct your, uh, you can unmute yourself and correct me on the proper pronunciation of your name or give me if that's not your real name. Let me know.

Oh yeah. That's my online name. Yeah. Um, yeah. Raw. Raw. Like all raw. Okay. Yeah. I know. I know everyone was, I got confused. Cause I, I watched the after show last week and everyone was referring you by, I guess your real name.

And I was like, who's that? Oh, I know. I logged in with the wrong ones. I'm still new to all this. All right. So you were in last week, your mic was just not working well. Uh, now you're saying you're new to it, but I see you got that green screen behind you.

So I don't know.

I knew I do, but that's, I just chucked that up there. I I've, I've never really done anything like online or anything, but I thought I might as well be ready.

Yeah. Well, it's clearly, you know, I saw that you lifted it up, so it's, there must be a mess behind there. You're hiding.

It's cool. Well, I have a lot of, I have, yeah, it's not so much a mess, but there's some things I don't want you to see secret things.

Those are the rituals for his new religion that, um, you guys started a conversation last week on the after show. Why don't you guys pick that up here? I'm sure you have some more questions that you guys couldn't get to cause Matt had to go.

Oh, that's right. I, I, I, I have updated my, my moral axiom and I think it's more inclusive now and more self evident. That's kind of interesting. Um, it's way more. What's your moral axiom then? Okay.

Let's see here. My, my new moral axiom, I just modified it just a little bit, but let's see the action is an action is moral or immoral to the degree that it knowingly fulfills or denies the fulfillment of the needs of individuals to the degree those needs are needed.

You got a problem. An action doesn't know anything.

Well, I didn't say an action knows anything. You said, yeah, you did. An action is a little insular as it is knowing or it knows it was the antecedent, it was the action. So that doesn't work. But anyway, you mean the person performing the action, an action is moral or immoral to the degree that it knowingly fulfills.

So an action doesn't have any cognition. It's just an action. A ball rolling down a hill is an action. It doesn't have any, um, knowledge.

Do you think you could interpret it more charitably?

Well, uh, an action, uh, performed by a person by a person. Yeah.

An action performed by knowingly or not. And if it's unknowingly that adds to the, that adds to the immorality.

Is, and you're saying that when a person does something, it's moral or immoral to the degree. Well, then what do you mean to the degree?

So that means, you know, in one sense, in one case, you know, it can be lower, it can be more moral or less moral than in another case.

Okay. So it's not about degrees of morality. It's just moral or immoral. So you don't have any, that's why you don't have degrees. No, no, no, no, no. You're listening. The statement is problematic. An action is moral or immoral to the degree.

So now you're saying, you just told me that there's degrees of morality, but that's not what you're talking about. The word degree there is used differently in the, how you're wording it. An action is moral or immoral if that's all you should say.

If the person doing the action knowingly fulfills or denies, uh, uh, the needs of individuals. Okay. Fulfills or denies the needs of individuals. If the person does it. That's all it is. Yeah. Let me help you out and I'll show you why even that doesn't work.

Okay. Uh, a person's, watch this, person's action is moral. You get to say moral or immoral. It's just moral because immorality is a form of moral morality. There's good and there's bad. Okay. An action is, a person's action is moral if it fulfills the needs of individuals.

That's the kind of thing you're talking about. To the degree those needs are needed. But that doesn't really. That doesn't say anything. To the degree those needs are needed. I'm only working with your logic.

Uh, you have, there's no way this is defensible, your position. Well, even when we get it down, it's still not defensible. But look, I'm just going to help you and show you that, that, uh, that, that level of thinking that you've got to do in order to do something like this has got to be a little more clear.

But even then, when you get it nailed, then I can just shred it and I'll show you.

Well, let's, let's nail it and then put it, put a conundrum through it.

Uh, so you could say a person's action is moral if it fulfills the needs of individuals.

Okay. That's really, that's a simplistic way of it. But it's usually moral to the degree that the needs are needed.

I mean, because, you know, if you. Well, if their needs are needed. Yeah. By definition, a need is what's needed. Otherwise, it's not a need.

So, it's tautologist. You don't say that. There's different levels of need that we have to address. You're not, you're not talking about that. You're talking about just morality. You have to have another statement.

Morality has different degrees. That's what I had in my last statement.

Depending on. That would be a second sentence. No, it's all in that one sentence. Okay. I have an initiation ceremony for you and your new religion. I already have one. But what's yours? Oh, mine's better.

Everybody has a standard attention. Facing north. Magnetic or due north. But north is good. And generally, you have to do it at sundown. Because you want the darkness coming upon you. And then, what you do is you stand at attention.

And you can salute as you move your hand. This is the new religion salute. Like this. Alright. And then, you look to your left. This is because it's not going to be right. It has to be left. Because you're not right.

It's left. And then, you slap yourself. Three times. And then, you go back. Lower your hand to your side. And then, that's the initiation ceremony.

What does that, what does that, what needs does that fulfill? The needs of me being funny.

Because what I do with people is I say, take your right hand and put it for your face. Look to your left. Now, slap yourself upside the head. And I say this to people when they say things that don't make any sense.

They're trying to defend the indefensible. So, I was thinking, to help you out, that you could do, this could be the advanced level. Or even just the mediocre level. Getting right in there. Because you don't have anything that you can justify all this with.

All you're doing is making stuff up. You're making it up. Why is it good? See if it works. Oh, I guess it's true. If it works?

Well, that means it's consistent with reality.

No. So, a man is walking along a path next to a cliff. 20 feet to his right, or 10 feet to his right. To the left is a cliff. To his right is a forest. He's walking along. A tiger jumps out at him. He ducks.

The tiger goes over the cliff. The man theorizes. All I have to do, whenever a tiger jumps at me, is just duck and I'll be saved. That's his theory. So, he walks another 50 feet. Another tiger jumps. And he tests his theory by ducking.

And lo and behold, he's saved. A third tiger, the same thing. He has now verified, repeatably, that all you've got to do is duck whenever a tiger jumps and you'll be saved. If you're by a cliff. He didn't say that.

He said. You've got to understand something. I'm just telling you. Listen. That's not right. The point is, just because something works doesn't mean it's true. That's the illustration. You don't say something's true or morally good because it works.

If I were to slap my wife in order to make her make me a sandwich and it worked. If I were to slap my wife and I were to make her make me a sandwich by doing that. Because it works doesn't mean it's good.

I don't know. There's a certain utility to things being able to work. I mean, you wouldn't want a moral axiom that didn't work.

For folks listening, Matt just put his hand in front of his face.

Signaling him to do the same thing. It's okay. Okay, dude. You don't have any logic. You don't have any basis. All you have is subjectivity. Your system of philosophy is flawed.

Tell me why that works. Why that is with regard to this specific moral axiom.

Hold on one sec, Matt. Raul, when you and Matt both talk, we hear nothing. So, I know you're new to it, but you got to give that pauses. Thanks. Okay.

Real simply. Why is what someone, their needs. Why does that make something moral? Because needs are objective. Because what? Needs are what? Human needs are objective. And, you know, they ought to be.

Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean they're objective? What do you mean? Everybody has the exact same need all the time?

No, but people have objective human needs that we can object upon. So, give me a need. Oxygen. Okay. Let's start at the bottom. So, breathing. Alright. So, why is that a moral issue? Well, when you deny someone's need for oxygen, that's a big problem.

That's a moral infraction. Why is it a moral infraction?

Because they die. Why is that a moral issue? You don't think people have needs? I'm asking you to justify your position. Why is that a moral thing?

You know, the basis of morality.

I mean, that's the way we all are. Why is it the basis of morality?

If there's a baby that needs milk and is crying for it, what's the right thing to do?

I'm asking you what justifies. You're begging the question. You're arguing in a circle. Look. So, they need to breathe. Therefore, it's good. So, what is good? Breathing. Well, how do you know breathing is good?

Because that's what good is. Well, how do you know what's good?

That's what breathing is. It's circular. We need a self-evident maxim for morality. Who says breathing is good? I say breathing is. Everybody that breathes says breathing is good. What do you mean by good?

There's nobody that says, well, breathing sucks. It's universal. Well, yes, there are. There are people who say breathing sucks.

When they have severe asthma. When they have pneumonia. And they're in pain. And breathing is difficult for them.

Yeah, but I've had all that. And it's still good to breathe, man. Look, dude.

You said nobody says breathing sucks.

Yes, there are people who say that. But I've had all of that horrible kind of breathing. And still, I appreciated breathing. I appreciated it more.

Raul, you know, I'm trying to get you to show you that you're incredibly illogical. And you have no basis for justifying your opinions on what is moral or not moral.

Well, why do you think that needs are an improper basis for morality? Obviously, you know, the best thing that we can do is fulfill needs.

My need is for you to not talk like that and try and develop your own thinking and religion. Because it's very bad. It causes me stress and strain to see someone illogical who's going to injure other people.

That's my need. So, that's a good thing, right?

Well, it depends how needful that is in our interaction. Oh, it's very needful. Do your needs trump mine?

Maybe. It's very needful. I mean, obviously, I'm the kind of guy where this is very serious for me. I've spent decades working with people about the issue of truth and trying to get them to stop stuff that are bad teaching.

So, obviously, it's a very, very serious need for me, isn't it?

How much? Like, on a scale of 1 to 10, what's your need level? Oh, 12. And what do you base that on? What's your foundation?

We talked about my needs. My needs are what I need. So, it's my personal need. And you said needs are objective. They are. Have you heard of Maslow's Hierarchy of Need? I'm sorry. So, my need is objective.

So, my need means that you have to obey it if it's my need and it's objective.

It's not objective yet until we put it on some kind of ranking. And I would suggest Maslow's Hierarchy of Need. Where does your need fit into Maslow's Hierarchy of Need? Who says Maslow's right?

It's a great starting place. Who says he's right? Why would we start there? Who says it's a great starting place? I say it.

It doesn't make it right. When we look at the Hierarchy of Need, it's obvious that infractions against the lower part of the Hierarchy of Need are worse, morally worse, than infractions against the higher part.

So, Maslow knows the needs of all people in all situations and can declare what is morally correct. Is that what his Hierarchical Needs is?

He has put out an objective thing about needs. Starting with survival needs like oxygen and food and shelter and things. Those things are important. And infractions against those are objectively, morally worse than infractions against...

Andrew asked me a question.

Abortion, Moral Axioms, and the Limits of Self-Evident Need

That's a good question here. So, what do you think about abortion? Killing the life in the womb of the mother. Are you for it or against it?

What do you mean for it or against it?

Are you for abortion? Killing the life in the womb or not? No, I'm not for killing anything. You're not anything? So, you have no problem with someone killing?

I'm not for killing things, you know. So, then it's abortion wrong? If the mother's need trumps the fetus, I guess that...

So, then what you're saying is, if the mother's need trumps the need of the baby, then it's okay to kill the baby if her needs are greater.

For example, my wife's sister. You know, she had a... What is it called when they have a baby in the wrong part of their body? It was like in the two... In vitro or... No, it's not in vitro. It's a fallopian tube.

It's where she was going to die. Yeah.

Look, we're not talking about super exceptions. Look. That's not... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Raw. Raw. Raw. Just some woman wants to kill the baby in her because it's an inconvenience. Is that okay? I told you I'm not for killing.

Raw. Take a breather. You guys got to stop talking over each other. This time it was Mac. So, look. Just a woman doesn't like the idea of being pregnant. It's inconvenient. It might cost her a boyfriend, a job, whatever.

She doesn't like it. It might get her stretch marks. So, she decides to kill the baby. Is that okay because her needs are greater than the baby's? Does that make it okay?

I don't think that the needs of a baby for survival can be trumped by someone's need for a job.

So, then, are you against that?

Yeah, yeah. According to the moral axiom that I put out there, that would obviously be an immoral act.

So, you think abortion is wrong or just some abortions?

Well, if the needs of the mother are greater than the needs of the fetus. Okay. Because a woman has more needs than a fetus does. I mean, she has more needs for survival. She has social needs. She has all these other needs.

Wait, wait, wait. A fetus has basic survival needs at that moment. So, you have to make a decision, especially if the mother's life is on the line, right?

If the baby's need is to live versus the mother's need to be social and not be pregnant so she can get another boyfriend. See, what you're doing is wrong. Then it's wrong. You're saying it's wrong. Right.

Because of the needs. Because of the need. Yeah. So, having life is superior to having a boyfriend, a job.

The need for survival is superior to the need for a job.

Okay. So, then, what would be the exceptions to that? The only exception would be if a mother's going to die for sure. Then, because both will die, then you take the life of the baby. That's the only exception then?

I don't know. I guess you would go down to needs. That's what I'm saying. I don't have all of the medical things figured out. That would be…. Okay.

So, have you got people who want to follow you in this? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We have a group and stuff. It's fun.

How many of there are you? About 30, 40 of us so far. And where do you meet?

In our house. And you guys are inventing a religion? Mm-hmm. Me, mostly. I have most of the ideas. Where do you live? Should I tell you? City, state. That's a good…. Oh, okay. Portland, Oregon. Okay.

Yeah. I'm out there every now and then. I used to live outside Boise.

Oh, okay. May I ask, are you creating this for funsies and kicks? And this is a genuine question. I'm not trying to disrespect your idea at this point. Well, I mean never, but you know what I mean. Are you trying to form this, you know, thing for fun?

Wouldn't it be funny if we did this and see how many followers we got? Or is the whole purpose of this, these are your beliefs and you want to spread your beliefs to others like a lot of religions do?

Or what is your goal or reasoning behind doing this? Because obviously, well, I feel like right now what you're saying is that you're just making this all up. And so therefore, you know, it doesn't sound like a serious effort to have a religion.

Oh, thanks for the question, Kat. It's absolutely serious. Absolutely serious. I think it's important that we have, and I don't want to be blasphemous or anything, but I think it's important for us to have a really good religion that is started, you know, with absolute, you know, reasonable foundations.

And, you know, something that can grow, you know, logically and reasonably throughout the years. I think it's really important. And, you know, obviously morality is important to me, you know, like I've been talking about.

And, yeah, there's nothing that I know of that is, you know, facetious or, you know.

So how serious is this group of people who want to do this? Pretty serious. And that they want to actually start another religion? Yeah, we're doing it. What are you going to call it? Maslonianism? No, it's called the One Religion.

That's right, the One Religion. Mm-hmm. And have you got a list of tenants of this One Religion?

No, we have—we're trying to go from—we—no, no, we have a moral axiom. We also have in our book, which is unpublished as of yet, but we also have the Ten Commandments in there for moralness and—.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You mean the Biblical Ten Commandments? What?

The Biblical Ten Commandments? The Biblical Ten Commandments, yeah, they're there for—. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, what? The Biblical Ten Commandments say not to have any other god before God and not to make any other idols, not any idols at all. So how—so your religion now has the Christian god as a true god?

It's a crowd-sourced religion that we can, you know, introduce whatever we wish, you know. But for consideration, I introduced the tenants of Hinduism, the—what is it, the—let me see here. There's a real nice passage in the Quran about—it's kind of their Ten Commandments, and I use the Ten Commandments of Judaism, the Five Buddhist Precepts, and the Ten Commitments of Hinduism, and I also chucked in John 17 because I really like it.

What about something from Hitler? How about something good that he said?

Why? Well, I'm not—.

Not, because if you're going to pull from the Quran and you're going to pull from other places that allow for various— depending on the religions—allowing for very immoral actions, why not pull something?

Because I'm sure—I'll promise you right now—Hitler said something that was maybe beautiful and touching and heartwarming in his life.