WWUTT 2010 Q&A Good Manners, The Unforgivable Sin, Holy Cow, The Chosen Books

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October 6, 2023

Responding to questions from listeners about having good manners and what the Bible says, Jesus' teaching on the unforgivable sin, how saying "holy cow" is not the same as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and The Chosen comes up with their own books. Visit wwutt.com for all our videos!

00:00: Did you know that there are books about the Chosen and it's not the Bible? What does the Bible say about having good manners and is saying, holy cow, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? The answer is to these questions and others when we understand the text.
00:24: This is When We Understand The Text, a daily Bible commentary in God's Word that we may have the mind of Christ.
00:31: Tell all your friends about our ministry at www.utt.com.
00:35: Here once again is Pastor Gabe.
00:37: Thank you, Becky.
00:38: You're welcome.
00:39: All right.
00:39: So this is the Friday edition of When We Understand The Text, when we take questions from the listeners and you can submit those questions to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail.com.
00:49: I've got another couple of emails about the Chosen.
00:53: Oh, yeah.
00:54: I'm going to stick them toward the back end in case all of you are irritated with the Chosen, as I am.
01:01: But we still get emails about it because I did that interview with Justin.
01:04: Yeah.
01:05: Well, I mean, it's still around.
01:06: Yeah.
01:07: It's still a thing.
01:08: Season four is coming out.
01:09: Yeah.
01:09: Wow.
01:10: And people still are attached to it.
01:13: Right.
01:13: So it's not failing or tanking.
01:16: There were two episodes, I think it was, from season three that were in theaters.
01:21: Oh, wow.
01:21: I think it was the season debut and it was the season finale.
01:25: They put those two episodes in theaters.
01:27: So we're probably going to see the same thing happen with season four.
01:32: Lionsgate is the production company behind it now.
01:34: So it's in association with Angel Productions, who did it, the Mormon group that put it out in the first place.
01:44: But then even with Lionsgate, it's got wider distribution.
01:49: So they're the ones, I think, that have been behind putting it in theaters.
01:54: They're surely going to try to do that again.
01:55: Probably.
01:57: And we'll just hear all the hoopla about the Chosen again.
02:00: Yeah.
02:01: So whatever we've done and have put on YouTube or it's ended up online, I pray people find it and recognize that it's not biblical.
02:08: It's a different Christ.
02:09: It is not the Jesus of the Bible.
02:11: But yeah, like I said, we'll get to those questions on the back end.
02:14: For those of you who are tired of hearing about it.
02:16: Now that you've done a little blurb in the front.
02:19: That's right.
02:21: First of all, I did a poll question.
02:23: I'm going to ask this at the beginning and then I'm going to give the answer at the end.
02:26: Okay.
02:27: And this was more than a poll.
02:28: I asked it as a poll question on social media, but it's really a trivia question.
02:35: Okay.
02:36: Which sport was invented as a means for evangelism to win men for the master? That's an exact quote.
02:44: And teach them Christian principles for godly behavior and community.
02:50: Was it A, baseball, B, basketball, C, football, or D, hockey? I'm going to ask you that.
03:00: You decide in your mind which one you think is the answer.
03:04: Well, as you were saying the question before the answers, the possible answers, I was thinking baseball, but I could be wrong.
03:13: Okay.
03:13: Hold on to that answer.
03:14: All right.
03:14: At the very end, we'll answer it.
03:16: Okay.
03:17: Here's the trivia question for this week.
03:20: The answer's coming at the end.
03:22: First question is from Marissa.
03:24: Yes.
03:25: The first question was last week's last question.
03:28: Yeah, that's right.
03:29: Marissa says, hello Gabe and Becky.
03:31: I was wondering if you can talk about raising children with manners and Bible verses that support it.
03:37: Also, what that looks like practically.
03:39: We live in a day and age that seems like manners, like from my childhood, are no longer a thought or necessity.
03:46: Praying for you and for your ministry.
03:49: Thanks so much.
03:51: Thank you for being patient and waiting another week.
03:54: That's right.
03:56: How do we teach our kids manners? Over and over and over again.
04:02: Yes.
04:03: Constant repetition.
04:04: Over and over again.
04:05: That's definitely the case.
04:06: You have to be persistent in it, and you also have to demonstrate good manners.
04:12: Yes.
04:13: I'm going to read you a passage here.
04:14: Let me read this first.
04:15: We'll start with a little bit of scripture, and then I'm going to share something that actually just happened to me this past week.
04:21: If I hadn't put this question off until a week, I wouldn't have this good example story to share.
04:25: All right.
04:26: Fair enough.
04:27: Ephesians 6, beginning in verse 1, children obey your parents in the Lord for this is right.
04:32: Honor your father and mother, which is the first commandment with a promise, so that it may be well with you and that you may live long in the land.
04:43: Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
04:51: Now, that very use of the word discipline implies repetition.
04:56: Okay.
04:57: When you talk about discipline, oftentimes we just think about punishment.
05:00: Right.
05:01: But no, to be disciplined in something, it takes a lot of practice.
05:06: I think punishment is in that, because you want to show your kids there's consequences for bad behavior.
05:11: Right.
05:11: But also being disciplined means that there's persistence in the good behavior.
05:16: That's true.
05:17: Yeah.
05:17: So you're doing the good thing persistently.
05:19: If they do something bad, here's the consequences for that.
05:22: And then even that has to be done consistently and with repetition.
05:26: Mm-hmm.
05:27: So if the child does something wrong and you have to discipline them for it, that's a consistent discipline.
05:34: Mm-hmm.
05:34: And so they've come to learn, okay, every time I do this wrong, I get this consequence.
05:39: Right.
05:39: So it guides them in the right way to go.
05:41: Yes.
05:41: So there's a consistency in that.
05:43: But, Mom and Dad, you've got to be a good example of good manners and good behavior even to your children.
05:50: Mm-hmm.
05:51: And that has to be consistent.
05:52: Even to your children.
05:54: Yes, exactly.
05:55: Yes.
05:55: I wanted to emphasize that, to your children.
05:58: Right.
05:58: You can show manners to your kids also.
06:02: Yes.
06:02: It's showing them that you are not quick-tempered.
06:06: Right.
06:06: But you can keep a level head and respond civilly when they do something wrong and in a polite way.
06:13: You can do that without having to say to your kids, yes, ma'am and yes, sir.
06:16: Right.
06:17: You know? Of course.
06:18: They have to say that to their elders or to authority.
06:22: You don't have to say that to your kids, but you can still demonstrate manners to your kids.
06:26: Mm-hmm.
06:26: So the way that they see you acting will also reinforce to them those things that you've been teaching them with regards to good manners.
06:35: Right.
06:35: So this goes to the thing that happened to me earlier this week.
06:38: Sure.
06:38: I'm curious about this.
06:39: I was in the grocery store.
06:41: I guess I didn't tell you about this.
06:43: I don't think so.
06:44: I was at the store.
06:45: I came to the self-checkout line.
06:47: This was one of those days where it was just packed.
06:50: Okay.
06:50: Every line was full.
06:51: Every checkout line was full.
06:53: And there was even a lot of people at the self-checkout.
06:57: And you know, at self-checkout, there's never like an orderly line.
07:00: Right.
07:00: People just kind of stand around.
07:01: Right.
07:02: And you look at each other like, were you next? Yeah.
07:04: Is it me? Who's next? So I went to the closest register right at the entrance to the self-checkout.
07:14: And I'm doing my groceries.
07:16: And there's a guy next to me that has come like to the mouth of the self-checkout.
07:21: Okay.
07:22: And he's got one of his children with him, a little girl, who had one of the little kid shopping carts.
07:28: Aw.
07:29: He said – I love those things.
07:30: Yeah, I know.
07:32: I try to teach my kids shopping with that, too.
07:34: Yes.
07:34: So we get the little cart.
07:36: He said or did something with her.
07:38: I didn't catch what it was.
07:39: But it made her pitch a fit.
07:42: Okay.
07:42: She threw herself down on the ground.
07:44: She started yelling and screaming and crying.
07:47: Now, on the one hand, I didn't pay much attention to it.
07:50: Uh-huh.
07:50: Because – That's a norm around here.
07:52: It's a norm.
07:53: Yeah.
07:54: Thankfully, our kids don't really do that in the store.
07:58: Often, right.
07:59: Yes.
07:59: That's why I say they don't really do that.
08:01: Yeah, sure.
08:02: Fair enough.
08:03: It's happened a couple of times, but it's rare.
08:07: So kids do that.
08:08: So I didn't pay much mind to it.
08:10: I just continued checking out my groceries.
08:13: But then one of the tellers – is that what you call them? Clerk? I guess they're clerks.
08:19: In a grocery store – It's a cashier.
08:22: A store clerk? Cashier, maybe? Well, she's not really a cashier because it's self-checkout.
08:26: True.
08:27: But, I mean, technically, she's got to make sure that you're doing it right.
08:31: Well, it used to be store clerks.
08:32: I always thought of it as like the grocery store equivalent of a stewardess on an airplane.
08:37: Yeah.
08:38: So it's – I don't know.
08:39: You call that a clerk? I don't know what their official job title is anymore.
08:44: We're going to stick with clerk.
08:45: Yeah, sure.
08:46: Go for it.
08:46: So the clerk came up to him and said, Sir, there's a register over here.
08:51: Are you planning on paying with just card? And he said, no, I have cash.
08:56: And she said, yeah, I'm sorry, this is a card-only machine that's open over here.
09:01: Well, as she's walking away from him, he pitches a fit.
09:05: Oh, no way.
09:06: And he swore about how ridiculous this system is, that not every register is card and cash.
09:16: There's only some that are card and some that are cash.
09:18: But she doesn't have any control over that.
09:21: No, she doesn't.
09:21: And yet he's taking it out on her.
09:24: Don't shoot the messenger.
09:25: Right.
09:26: When I observed that, I thought to myself, I didn't engage, didn't get in between anybody.
09:30: But as I saw that, I was like, okay, that's why your child was pitching a fit.
09:34: Yeah.
09:37: Because your child is getting it from dad.
09:40: Yeah.
09:40: Now, like I said before, the correlation doesn't always equal causation.
09:46: Right.
09:47: Very true.
09:48: But in this particular case, kids, they're going to pitch a fit in the grocery store.
09:51: It happens sometimes.
09:52: But in this particular case, it still was like, no, that child's acting that way because you act that way.
09:58: Yeah.
09:58: Your child is picking that up from you.
10:00: Yeah.
10:01: And so.
10:02: Definitely encouraged because of it.
10:04: Yeah.
10:04: Right.
10:04: So this, once again, kind of reinforces the point of your children are going to imitate what they see you do.
10:11: Oh, yeah.
10:12: So there needs to be a consistency even in the kinds of manners that you're teaching them.
10:19: They see you acting with manners.
10:20: It doesn't have to be the exact same manners, like I said before, because you're not going to be calling your kids, yes, ma'am, yes, sir, that sort of thing.
10:28: Right.
10:28: But like, for example, teaching my son to shake a hand.
10:31: I'll shake his hand and say, here, give me a firm handshake.
10:35: So I teach him how to shake a hand.
10:36: It's not just sticking your hand out and letting the other person shake it.
10:39: Right.
10:40: But you have to do a genuine handshake.
10:41: Or do a loose hand.
10:43: Yeah, the loose.
10:44: That's really annoying.
10:46: All right, just hand him a dead fish.
10:49: Don't do that.
10:50: But look him in the eye.
10:52: Make eye contact.
10:54: Introduce yourself.
10:55: Say your name.
10:56: Right.
10:56: So we teach our kids to do that.
10:58: You don't just tell them shake a hand.
11:00: You actually show them how to shake a hand.
11:02: Right.
11:02: And you have to go through the steps.
11:04: Yeah.
11:04: Like, break it down for them.
11:05: Like, this is important.
11:06: This is important.
11:07: This is all part of.
11:09: Right.
11:09: It's not just this.
11:10: Yeah.
11:11: Yeah.
11:11: Sure.
11:13: When my son sees me at church greeting people.
11:17: I want him to see that I'm making eye contact.
11:20: And shaking hands.
11:22: And I'm only talking to this person.
11:23: And I'm not looking all over for more interesting people.
11:27: Right.
11:27: You know what I mean? Yes.
11:28: The way that you said that I met you the first time.
11:31: Yep.
11:32: That was exactly it.
11:37: In case you don't know the story.
11:39: I don't remember meeting Becky the first time.
11:42: Nope.
11:42: But I sure met you.
11:45: I remember the first time I met her.
11:48: I don't remember when she met me.
11:53: But, see, that would have been a bad example.
11:56: Yes.
11:56: For my kids.
11:57: If we had children then.
11:59: I don't think we shook hands though.
11:59: I think we did.
12:00: Oh, did we not? I don't think.
12:02: I don't know.
12:03: We may have.
12:04: I don't know either.
12:06: Well, of course you don't.
12:07: Obviously I don't.
12:09: I'll have to think about it.
12:11: So, anyway, yeah.
12:12: So, my kids see that.
12:14: Like, I'm engaging with the person that I'm talking to.
12:17: Yes.
12:18: I'm not acting like there's something better for me to be doing right now than having this conversation with you.
12:23: Right.
12:24: So, again, modeling that for your kids.
12:25: You teach them how to do it, but then they also see you do it.
12:28: Mm-hmm.
12:29: There was one that recently I remember.
12:33: Oh, no, no, no.
12:33: I remember now.
12:35: So, answering the phone.
12:36: This was something.
12:37: Oh, my goodness.
12:38: Answering the phone and talking on the phone.
12:40: Just phone etiquette itself.
12:42: Yes.
12:43: Is nonexistent.
12:46: It's become less of a thing because you don't really have a family phone anymore.
12:50: Right.
12:50: Like, there's not a landline that everybody goes to and answers.
12:53: Right.
12:54: So, it's not a common thing to be teaching your kids phone etiquette.
12:57: Right.
12:58: But, yeah, like when you would have one of the kids call me.
13:03: Yep.
13:03: And I would answer the phone, and they would just sit there.
13:05: Yep.
13:06: And I'm like, okay, you've got to say something.
13:08: I'm like, you've got to say hello.
13:11: They don't know you're there.
13:14: Or I would call, and they would answer your phone.
13:17: Yes.
13:17: And then we would just sit there.
13:19: Yep.
13:19: I'm like, okay, this is not Becky.
13:20: Yeah.
13:22: Who's there? And then, you know, like, okay, I think I've got to go, and then it's just click.
13:30: Yeah, right.
13:30: Like, there's nothing else.
13:31: Yeah.
13:32: It's not goodbye.
13:34: Which is the way, if you've ever noticed, everybody hangs up the phone in a TV show or in a movie.
13:39: Yeah.
13:40: That's true.
13:41: They never say goodbye.
13:42: They never do.
13:43: The call just ends, and they click.
13:44: Yeah.
13:44: That's just it.
13:46: Even going back to Landlines, that was the way everybody in movies ended their phone conversation.
13:51: They just hang up the phone.
13:52: Yep.
13:52: It's so weird.
13:53: So, maybe that's where our kids get it from.
13:56: They saw it in a show, so apparently that's the way you end a phone conversation.
13:59: I don't know.
14:00: So, you might have to make a concerted effort with a smartphone teaching them phone etiquette.
14:06: Right.
14:07: The how you answer, how you have a conversation.
14:10: Yes.
14:11: You can't nod your head.
14:14: Yes.
14:14: They can't see you.
14:15: Right.
14:15: Unless it's FaceTime.
14:17: I know, right? And even then, the image is probably frozen, so you should still say yes or no.
14:23: Yes.
14:23: Right.
14:24: Okay.
14:24: So, my advice on this is that children learn in repetition, and they learn better when you start simple and you build on it.
14:35: And so, you pick the most important things that affect their everyday life that they can learn first, and just focus on those.
14:43: And then once they get those under wraps, like you know they know this, they're getting it, it's coming a lot easier for them, you only have to remind them a couple times, then I would add one more thing, the next important thing.
14:55: Like, okay, I've noticed you're doing really, really good here.
14:57: Now, let's learn a little bit more.
14:59: And so, then you give them a little bit more.
15:01: So, along with the handshake steps, you know, you teach them how to shake a hand first.
15:06: Well, then they've got that down.
15:08: Now you can add eye contact, you know, and then you add in, okay, now here's the conversation.
15:14: Like, you just talk with them, you know, and then you just kind of build on it.
15:19: So, like with the phone etiquette, you know, you teach them how to answer the phone, right? Or how to say goodbye.
15:27: Okay, hello and goodbye, that's what I want you to learn.
15:30: And then you just practice.
15:31: You can call their grandma, you can, they love this kind of stuff, they eat it up, okay? So, don't be ashamed to be like, okay, we're going to practice, you know, and then let them know ahead of time so they know what they're working on.
15:42: And then just call aunts and uncles that you haven't talked to in forever.
15:46: They love talking with their friends.
15:48: Oh my goodness, so love talking with their friends.
15:51: But the issue with the friends, depending upon the age, is that they're also working on these things too.
16:00: They might not know to say hello and say goodbye on the phone.
16:04: So, it might be a little discouraging.
16:08: That's what I was looking for.
16:10: So, it might be a little more discouraging for them to learn.
16:13: So, that's why you want to pick like an older person who knows the etiquette already.
16:18: Right, there you go.
16:19: So, that you're working on.
16:21: Yeah.
16:21: And then there's also, you know, different cultures have different manners.
16:26: Oh, very true.
16:26: And I'm not just talking about different nationalities.
16:29: I mean, even in the United States.
16:31: Yeah.
16:31: So, what will pass for good manners in Texas might not be the best of manners in New York or California.
16:40: Yes.
16:40: I remember when I had never been to California before, but my brother had gone out there to work the wine country.
16:48: He worked in, I guess, Napa Valley.
16:49: Okay, yeah.
16:50: And was driving truck during a time when they were harvesting grapes and making the wine and stuff like that.
16:55: So, he got a job out there and he was just driving truck.
16:58: But he talked about how people just, in that area, in the particular area that he was in, how little people made eye contact.
17:05: Oh, yeah.
17:06: And so, like they think it's strange even when you open a door for them because they think you want something.
17:13: Oh, interesting.
17:14: Like, you're doing this for me because you're trying to sell me something or something like that.
17:18: Huh.
17:19: I don't want to say it for sure being that particular area because I'm just kind of relaying a story from years ago.
17:25: But I've since been to California, guys.
17:28: Just at that time had never been to California before.
17:31: So, I just remember him telling me that.
17:33: Like, some of those things that we considered to be good Great Plains, heartland values living in Kansas did not pass for etiquette in a place like California.
17:45: So, you might need to think about that.
17:47: There's different areas where you live where certain manners are going to go a different way than others.
17:51: Right.
17:52: Like eye contact.
17:53: That's another thing.
17:54: And not everywhere says ma'am and sir.
17:56: Right, exactly.
17:57: That is sometimes like they're offended you said ma'am or sir.
18:01: Right.
18:02: But by the way, using a person's preferred pronouns is not good etiquette.
18:07: No.
18:08: That's lying.
18:09: So, like if a man wants to be called she, her, whatever, you're not going to use third person pronouns talking to a person one-on-one anyway.
18:16: Not usually, no.
18:18: But that's not good etiquette.
18:20: It's not good manners.
18:21: They're actually being rude.
18:23: Yeah.
18:23: Asking you to lie on their behalf.
18:26: Right.
18:26: So, keep that in mind.
18:28: Now, one of the things that Marissa had asked for were what are some Bible verses that go along with this? Well, because manners and etiquette tend to be so varied among differing cultures, we really don't have a lot of scripture.
18:40: Like there's nothing there that explicitly says have good manners.
18:44: Right.
18:44: But those things that instruct us to be mindful of one another, to love your neighbor, to be charitable toward each other, those kinds of instructions can include just having a good demeanor toward each other.
19:00: Yeah.
19:01: You know, being polite is being considerate of one another.
19:04: Yes.
19:05: We talked about being respectful of those who are over you in authority.
19:09: So, consider a passage like Titus 3, 1 and 2.
19:12: Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey and be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.
19:28: And if you think about manners, manners are simply being humble.
19:33: Yeah.
19:33: You are being humble toward others.
19:35: You are not trying to show yourself or assert yourself as better than anybody else, nor are you being inconsiderate.
19:42: Like there's something about you that is considering another person, their perceptions.
19:47: Like their perspective of things? Yeah, that sort of a thing.
19:50: Yeah.
19:51: So, it's humbling yourself.
19:52: The whole concept of the handshake even originates from showing another person I don't have any weapons.
19:59: Oh, really? You know what I mean? Like I mean no harm toward you.
20:02: Peace.
20:02: Oh, yeah, yeah.
20:02: Peace.
20:03: Just extending a hand.
20:03: Yeah, sure.
20:04: So, you think of that, think of that concept and apply that to manners.
20:08: Uh-huh.
20:08: Like I want to be friendly toward you and that's what having good manners conveys.
20:14: Right.
20:14: So, think of the golden rule, Luke 6, 31, just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
20:21: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
20:24: Philippians 2, 3 through 4, let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit but in humility let each person consider others more than themselves.
20:37: Let each of you look not only for his own interest but also for the interest of others.
20:41: Uh-huh.
20:42: There is a principle that is being articulated there where manners can apply even though it doesn't explicitly say have good manners.
20:51: Right.
20:51: But you can see how a passage like that would be something that would convey to us here's the reason, here's the importance of having good manners toward one another.
21:00: Uh-huh.
21:01: Lastly, 1 Peter 3, 8, finally all of you be of one mind, having compassion toward one another, loving each other, tenderhearted and courteous.
21:13: Uh-huh.
21:13: That's a good word.
21:14: Yeah.
21:14: So, that one I think would be pretty synonymous with having good manners, being courteous toward one another.
21:20: Uh-huh.
21:20: And where was that? That was 1 Peter 3, 8.
21:23: Okay.
21:24: We have in our classroom, in our homeschool group, I picked a verse that was be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as in Christ God forgave you, Ephesians 4, 32.
21:40: Yes.
21:40: So, that one was – Yeah.
21:42: Ephesians 4, 32.
21:43: That's our classroom rule as far as like, okay, what are ways that we can be kind to one another? Uh-huh.
21:48: And tenderhearted and forgiving, you know, like these are all ways of manners.
21:53: Right.
21:54: And it can apply in a wide variety.
21:58: Oh, yes.
21:59: Right.
21:59: And we even talked about that in class, about how that can be, you know, interrupting, that can be, you know, because that's unkind.
22:06: It doesn't just include hitting and kicking and all that stuff and arguing.
22:11: But if that does happen, then we are to forgive because that's part of also being kind.
22:17: Right.
22:17: And part of that, so.
22:18: That's also in Colossians 3.
22:20: Yeah.
22:21: So, it's God forgave you, so you must forgive one another.
22:24: Yes.
22:24: Just think about the one another passages in the Bible.
22:28: Anything that gives us an instruction about one another.
22:30: Uh-huh.
22:31: There's almost 60 one another verses.
22:34: Oh, wow.
22:35: And it's something like, I can't remember what it is, 45 or something like that.
22:40: Most of those one another passages.
22:42: Uh-huh.
22:42: Are about how you love your brother or sister in the Lord.
22:46: Oh, that's neat.
22:47: So, loving one another.
22:49: If you just, through a Bible search app, type in one another.
22:53: Uh-huh.
22:53: And wherever you find those one another passages, those are real good to apply to, here's why we need to be considerate of each other.
23:02: Yeah.
23:03: Courteous toward one another, having good manners.
23:06: Yes.
23:07: Yeah.
23:07: Great question, Marissa.
23:08: Yeah.
23:09: Oh, another thing is to practice, like, if you're talking about table manners, is like, just to have a tea party with the girls.
23:18: And guys actually, like, see.
23:20: I wasn't smirking, I just was holding it in a cough.
23:25: That was funny timing.
23:26: Funny timing, but yeah, no, I wasn't trying to smirk at that.
23:29: Uh-huh.
23:29: No, but Zachary, our son, who's 12 now, he still likes to sit down.
23:37: I'll make him dress up a little bit.
23:39: He doesn't have to wear, like, the whole shebang.
23:42: But he doesn't have the whole shebang.
23:44: No, he has ties.
23:46: He just conveniently loses them.
23:48: Yeah, right.
23:49: He grew out of his sport coat and I just haven't bought him another one.
23:55: So he'll dress up a little bit and he'll make his hair nice and everything like that.
23:59: But he likes to have those snacks.
24:01: Yeah.
24:02: Because we make some goodies and we have really sweet tea.
24:06: And if it's not tea, then it's lemonade, because most of the kids don't want tea anyway.
24:11: You have a tea party and they don't even want the tea.
24:13: I know.
24:14: It's so crazy.
24:14: We'll use the, like, the little teacups that are actual teacups, like China teacups.
24:24: And we'll just be, like, super careful with them.
24:26: And this is the time to teach them with napkins, like, not just paper napkins, but actual napkins.
24:32: And we make the table pretty.
24:35: So it's like a whole thing.
24:37: But it's just about a tea party.
24:38: Like, that's it.
24:40: Right.
24:40: And if you don't do a tea party, you have sit-down dinners with the family.
24:46: Yeah.
24:47: Teach your kids how to set the table.
24:48: Oh, yeah.
24:49: That's a good one.
24:49: And how to have good manners with, you know, you cut with this hand, you eat with this hand, that sort of thing.
24:56: Yeah.
24:56: It doesn't have to be all the time.
24:57: You don't tuck the tablecloth into your shirt collar.
25:01: Not in this culture.
25:03: I think some cultures they do, though.
25:06: That might be the case.
25:08: So years and years ago when my family was still in Christian radio and we would do Christian concerts, we'd have big name artists in.
25:16: Yeah.
25:17: There was one artist in particular who her family was Asian.
25:23: Okay.
25:23: And I can't remember which Asian.
25:25: It could have been Korean, could have been Vietnamese.
25:28: Okay.
25:28: But anyway, we had this artist in concert and her whole family came.
25:31: Oh, that's awesome.
25:32: Well, she had her little brother who was like five at the time or something like that.
25:38: And their culture, good manners, you compliment the chef by belching.
25:44: Oh.
25:45: Well, the chef was my mom.
25:48: She made all the food and had other people, you know, help prepare sides for and things like that.
25:53: I'm just trying to picture your mom doing this because she's like a Southern belle kind of.
25:58: Yes.
25:58: Oh, yeah.
25:59: To a T.
25:59: Right.
26:00: Georgia Peach.
26:01: Yes.
26:01: That's my mom.
26:02: So she made all this food and it generally had kind of a Southern flair to it.
26:07: Yes.
26:08: Being in Kansas, some of the German influence from people around us kind of came into it as well.
26:12: Yes.
26:12: So if you can imagine a mix of Southern and German food together.
26:16: It's delicious.
26:18: It's so good.
26:19: She made this great spread, of course, for the bands.
26:22: I can say this.
26:23: I don't want to reveal this artist's name since I'm not getting some details right.
26:26: But Rich Mullins loved my mom's seven-layer salad.
26:31: Yes.
26:31: I remember this story.
26:31: And when we moved from Pennsylvania to Kansas, he had the seven-layer salad and knew immediately, I know who made this.
26:40: Where is she? Yeah, they're right.
26:41: Where is she? Right.
26:43: He knew exactly who it was that made that salad.
26:46: He loved my mom's food.
26:47: But anyway, so going back to this story.
26:49: So the five-year-old boy is done with his meal, and he wants to go compliment my mom for the food.
26:57: So he goes and finds her, looks her full in the face, really musters this up from his chest, lets out this full burp to compliment her for the food.
27:08: And the band lost it.
27:11: They're falling on the floor, cracking up because of this gesture.
27:18: I thought, I actually just walked in the room right as it was happening.
27:23: And I didn't quite understand what the joke was, but it was a pretty hilarious sight.
27:29: So mom took it in stride.
27:31: She wasn't offended in any way.
27:33: I think she got the gist of what was going on.
27:35: Yeah, probably.
27:36: I think at first she might have thought it was a practical joke.
27:39: Maybe.
27:39: Like the band is all coaxed.
27:42: I could see that, yeah.
27:43: But she took it well, and then it was explained.
27:46: This is why he came over to you and let out a big burp like this.
27:51: That's so cute.
27:53: Different cultures, different manners.
27:56: I love it.
27:58: But being considerate toward one another, that is a biblical instruction.
28:02: Yes.
28:03: All right, next question.
28:04: Are we good on that one? I think so.
28:06: Great input in there, too.
28:08: Thanks.
28:08: Loved what you had to share.
28:10: This is from Caleb.
28:11: Pastor Gabe, I appreciate what you said about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
28:16: This is something that I have often wrestled with, wondering if I've committed the unforgivable sin.
28:22: While I understand now that it's not as easy as saying something like I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit, what would you say about expressions like holy cow or something like that? I'm sure you can think of worse versions of the phrase than holy cow.
28:41: Yeah.
28:42: That's a good mild version of it.
28:44: I don't think that's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and I don't think you would either, but how would you categorize expressions like that? Thank you for your ministry.
28:53: Well, this goes back to lessons that we were doing this week.
28:55: So I was in Matthew 12, and it's in Matthew 12, 10 to 32, sorry, 30 to 32, where Jesus says, he who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
29:07: Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be given people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
29:16: And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him.
29:20: But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
29:28: And so as I explained this this past week, it goes beyond what the atheists were doing 15, 20 years ago when they were doing that whole blasphemy challenge.
29:39: Like there were atheists who were taking videos of themselves, and they were putting their money where their mouth is, essentially, saying, I am so committed that I don't believe in God.
29:50: I'm so convinced that God doesn't exist that I'm going to do this blasphemy of the Holy Spirit from which I can never be forgiven, according to what Jesus says.
29:58: And so they would video themselves saying, I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit.
30:03: I heard about this going on, and I was reluctant to watch the videos because I just don't want to watch people blaspheming the God I worship.
30:14: I understand that.
30:15: But when I finally saw one, it was a young woman that was doing it.
30:19: And when I finally saw it, and she was just saying, I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit, and I'm going, well, you guys are atheists.
30:26: You do that anyway.
30:27: Right.
30:28: So when I'm watching her do this on film, I'm just going, I don't see how this is some big revolutionary, like, now I'm never going to heaven sort of a statement.
30:42: Praise God that he is so great and so good and so gracious that you didn't just completely eliminate yourself from eternity.
30:48: Oh, amen.
30:49: That the gospel can still be spoken to you, the Holy Spirit will still convict your heart to repent of your sin and come to faith in Jesus Christ.
30:56: But nonetheless, there is a blasphemy that's happening there.
31:00: It's just not what Jesus is talking about here.
31:03: What he's saying is that if the Holy Spirit has truly shown you the truth, and there is no question that what you are observing is something that came from God, like you know in your heart it's from God because the Holy Spirit has revealed it to you, but you deny it anyway, and you harden your heart against it, that's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
31:27: And that's what the Pharisees were doing in that they knew what was happening, was from God, but the only, their heart was so hardened against it that the only thing that they could come up with to say against it is that, oh, well, Jesus is casting out demons because he's of the demons himself.
31:48: So they know that what's happening is from God.
31:52: They know that only God can do this, and yet they attribute it to Satan.
31:57: And that's what Jesus was saying, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
32:01: Like your heart is so hard that even when the Spirit has revealed the truth to you in this way, not just the truth was spoken to you, but you denied it.
32:11: The Holy Spirit had actually shown you in your minds that this was true, and yet your heart was so hard against it that you attributed it to Satan.
32:20: That was a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit's revealing.
32:25: So that's what's being talked about there with regards to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
32:28: And as I said this past week, if you have to ask that question with conviction, have I committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Like you're actually concerned, you want to worship Christ, but you're worried that maybe I've done something that permanently eliminates me from ever getting to heaven.
32:46: If that is your concern, you haven't committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
32:51: Right.
32:51: Because your heart would be so hardened that you wouldn't even be concerned about that.
32:56: Right, precisely.
32:57: Or thinking about it.
32:58: Yeah.
32:59: So as Jesus is saying this of the Pharisees here, he's also saying they won't ever repent.
33:04: They won't ever even want to repent.
33:06: Right.
33:07: So it's not like he's making some declaration and then the Pharisees are automatically going to go, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
33:13: Right.
33:13: If that's what it means.
33:14: I take it back.
33:14: I take it back.
33:15: No, they don't even want to.
33:17: Right.
33:18: Jesus is saying that to those Pharisees, to his disciples, to everybody else that's present, so that they understand the seriousness of the accusation that the Pharisees are making.
33:28: Yeah.
33:28: This is a warning for all those who are involved.
33:32: Okay.
33:33: That's what that means.
33:34: And it's probably like a heads up to the people who are Christians of, you know, they are lost.
33:43: Like they're gone.
33:45: And so because their hearts are hardened so much that they're not coming back.
33:50: Right.
33:50: So don't yearn for that.
33:52: Don't long for that.
33:53: Don't try to mend those and bring them back to the church.
33:56: Well, yeah.
33:57: Do you think? Well, what I had said with regards to that this past week was really only Christ would know that.
34:03: Well, of course.
34:04: Only Christ would know that a person has truly seen the truth is revealed by the spirit, and their heart was so hard against it that they attributed it to something evil.
34:14: Only he could know that a person's heart was really in that condition.
34:18: We can't know that.
34:19: True.
34:19: So this goes back to the discussions we've had on the program before about the reprobate.
34:24: So some would email in and say, how do we know who the reprobate are? If somebody is reprobate, can we even share the gospel with them? Well, that's the same question as with regards to election.
34:35: Right.
34:36: You don't know who the elect are.
34:37: You don't really know who the reprobate are.
34:39: True.
34:40: So you must share the gospel with everybody.
34:43: And even if you know someone who at one point in their lives professed to be a Christian, but now they've walked away from it, you can't let that in your mind go, well, I can't share the gospel with them.
34:53: Right.
34:53: I have friends that have walked away from the faith that I still appeal to and say, you didn't really know the truth.
35:01: True.
35:01: You didn't know it.
35:02: You didn't know it.
35:03: You were just putting on an act.
35:04: It was just a passing opinion.
35:06: Right.
35:06: But you didn't truly know Christ.
35:08: Agreeing with the crowd.
35:08: That's right.
35:09: Yeah.
35:09: It was your fad for the moment.
35:11: Right.
35:11: You were going along with it because your parents made you do it or your teenage friends were doing it.
35:15: Right.
35:16: Or even when you got older, it was the crowd that you were in.
35:19: But you didn't really believe it.
35:21: And so I'm sharing the gospel with you now so that you will be convicted of heart.
35:26: You will recognize that you didn't believe it.
35:28: Yeah.
35:28: But God is giving you that opportunity now to turn from your sin to Christ and be saved.
35:34: So I can't know if a person's heart is truly so hardened against it that they won't believe it, that they won't receive it.
35:41: Now Jesus did say in Matthew 7, don't cast your pearls before swine.
35:45: Right.
35:46: Because they'll just trample them underfoot and then turn to attack you.
35:48: Right.
35:49: So there does come a certain point where when you're sharing the gospel with somebody else, they're not receiving it.
35:56: There has to be a point where you know I'm wasting my time.
35:58: Right.
35:59: And that you got to be careful too as the instruction is in 2 Corinthians not to yoke yourself with unbelievers in which they could steer you the wrong direction.
36:09: So there's cautions.
36:11: There's places where you need to be wise.
36:13: You need to be careful with that.
36:14: But overall as Christians, if a person still has breath in their lungs, I'm going to share the gospel with them.
36:21: Right.
36:21: That's true.
36:22: I'm going to trust that the Lord, you know, if it is his will to transform their heart, he will do it.
36:29: He is that gracious.
36:31: Yeah.
36:31: He is that powerful.
36:33: And so pray for those who are not Christians.
36:36: Pray that they would come to faith in Jesus Christ for it is only by the power of God that a person is brought from death to life.
36:43: But thank you.
36:44: No, I never actually answered Caleb's question.
36:47: Oh, you didn't.
36:48: No, no, no.
36:48: We're just talking about this as it pertains to Matthew 12 and the lesson I gave earlier in the week.
36:53: Yeah.
36:54: Sorry.
36:54: So his question was about saying something like holy cow.
36:58: He says, I don't think that's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and I don't think you would either, but how would you categorize expressions like that? Well, what was the passage you said a little bit ago from Ephesians 4? Ephesians 4.32 is the one that I was reciting.
37:14: So 4.32 is be kind to one another, tenderhearted, graciously forgiving each other as God and Christ also is graciously forgiving you.
37:22: Okay.
37:22: That wasn't the one I was thinking of.
37:24: Okay.
37:25: So Ephesians 4.29, let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for building up what is needed so that it will give grace to those who hear.
37:37: So where does saying something like holy cow fit into that? What are you accomplishing when you say something like that? Now, Caleb, as Caleb said, I'm sure you can think of worse phrases than holy cow.
37:52: Yeah.
37:52: You shouldn't be using those anyway.
37:54: Right.
37:55: Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouth.
37:57: Right.
37:58: As is also said in Proverbs, I hate perverse speech.
38:02: So we shouldn't let our speech be something that would be perceived as being dishonoring to God.
38:08: So think about Philippians 2, I think it's verse 14.
38:13: Do everything without grumbling or disputing so that you may be blameless and pure children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation in which you shine as lights in the universe.
38:24: If you're constantly bickering and arguing and complaining and cursing about your circumstances, do you really demonstrate that you believe that God is sovereign and in control of this circumstance? So that's really where I would put an expression like that.
38:40: Like, are you conveying that you trust that God is sovereign or are you cursing your situation, your circumstance, and therefore casting blame on God? Right.
38:51: You're the one that gave me this circumstance and that's why this situation is not going my way.
38:55: And hey, I understand how easy it is to somebody cuts you off in traffic and a word comes out of your mouth that it's almost like an instant reaction.
39:04: Yeah.
39:04: It's the American way.
39:06: Okay.
39:08: To get upset at the guy that cut you off in traffic.
39:11: And nobody even hears you say that.
39:13: You're by yourself in your car.
39:15: Right.
39:16: But have you really demonstrated, even in privacy there, something to the Lord that you trust him, God is in control? You know, when somebody cuts me off, I'm always thinking, well, maybe they have somebody in the hospital they need to get to.
39:32: Oh, I don't think that.
39:33: I do.
39:33: I don't think I've ever thought that.
39:34: And if they're driving super slow, I'm like, okay, they must be moving a fish in a tank.
39:40: Or, you know, Grandma might be the passenger with the great big bowl of chili on her lap.
39:46: They don't want to spill.
39:48: It's fine.
39:49: You're way more gracious than I am driving.
39:53: I always encourage them to hurry up or slow down.
39:58: I'm not saying that just because you got upset in traffic means that you don't trust God.
40:04: I'm just trying to put upon you, examine your heart, test your thoughts.
40:09: Why are you using these expressions? What are they conveying when you use them? Sure.
40:15: What do they convey to you? What do they convey to other people who hear you use them? And usually whenever you're saying stuff like that, it's, well, in traffic or something, you know, like you got to know that you do the same thing sometimes.
40:28: Yeah, right.
40:29: Like you're not paying attention or whatever.
40:31: And so you had an excuse.
40:35: They would get mad at you.
40:37: Right.
40:38: And sometimes it's like, I'm sorry, I have to cut you off.
40:42: I'm not going to get over here.
40:44: Exactly.
40:45: So, I mean, there are times that you do it too.
40:48: So, you just have to understand that everybody has a reason.
40:52: Right.
40:52: Traffic is the easy one to jump to.
40:55: Traffic is the easy one to jump to.
40:56: Trying to use that as an example.
40:57: But I'm telling you, you just need to chill out.
40:59: You need to trust God.
41:01: That's right.
41:03: Know that God is sovereign with such a depth in your heart that you trust him in any and all circumstance.
41:10: And it does not cause you, or it prevents you rather, from reacting to these situations in that way where you feel like you have to curse.
41:18: Yeah.
41:19: Or you feel like you have to condemn this situation.
41:22: Trust God.
41:23: And don't be one who is easy to grumble or dispute even about how things are going right now.
41:28: Right.
41:28: And, I mean, if all else fails, get out of Thesaurus, or your Google, and Google Thesaurus, and look up other words that you can use.
41:40: Because the English language is so vast that it's ridiculous how little of the words we use.
41:48: Right.
41:48: That's true.
41:49: Repetitively.
41:51: And the words that people use around you are affecting you more than you think they are.
41:55: Oh, yeah, for sure.
41:55: I saw somebody online just recently say this.
41:58: Like, you don't think about how much cultural trends are affecting you until you name your kids.
42:03: Oh, yeah.
42:04: And then go look up your kids' names and see how common they are.
42:08: Yep.
42:09: I did this recently.
42:10: It was because when I saw it online, I went through and looked at all my kids' names.
42:13: Like, okay, how close were we on this? So Aria is actually in the top 30.
42:17: I'm not surprised.
42:18: I didn't realize that.
42:19: I didn't realize Aria was that common a name.
42:21: And you chose it, too.
42:22: I chose it, right.
42:23: That was the name I chose.
42:24: But believe it or not, so hers is of all of the members of our family.
42:29: Uh-huh.
42:30: Seven people.
42:32: Hers is the most common.
42:34: Okay.
42:34: Guess who's second? Ezekiel? Nope.
42:37: Really? Mariah? Nope.
42:40: Zachary? Nope.
42:41: Rebecca? No.
42:43: Gabriel? It's mine.
42:44: Ah! And it's not far behind Aria's.
42:48: I was going to say, Annabelle is not really common.
42:50: It's not.
42:51: It's really not.
42:52: I mean, it's kind of, sort of, but not really.
42:53: I don't think I looked up Annabelle.
42:54: I think I looked up Annie.
42:56: Oh, okay.
42:56: Yeah.
42:57: So you went through every name but Annie's.
42:59: I did.
42:59: And it got to mine.
43:00: Yeah.
43:01: Even your own name.
43:02: I did, because Rebecca's pretty common.
43:04: I'm the second most common.
43:05: That's what I thought, but it's not.
43:07: Huh.
43:07: You actually came really low down the list.
43:09: I think you were in the top 200 or something like that.
43:12: Well, how did I end up with so many Beckys in my class? I know.
43:15: I know.
43:15: Well, you know, it could be that that thing that I was looking at is just showing the last several years.
43:21: Oh, okay.
43:21: Fair enough.
43:22: But at the time that you were born.
43:23: Right.
43:24: It may have been more common.
43:25: Right, because there were a lot of Rebecca's when I was in school.
43:28: Right.
43:28: Jennifer was an incredibly popular name.
43:31: Yeah, me too.
43:31: Yes.
43:31: But I don't meet that many Jennifer's anymore.
43:35: Yeah, no.
43:35: Except in our age group.
43:36: I'm talking like kids.
43:37: Yeah, I know.
43:38: I don't see a lot of kids named Jennifer.
43:39: No.
43:40: It kind of went with our generation.
43:43: Yeah.
43:43: So, yeah, that's interesting to see how that will, you know, pass from one generation to the next as well.
43:48: But David is still an incredibly common name.
43:50: Yeah, I think James is the most common boy name if I remember right.
43:54: Okay, okay Let's get to the the chosen things here now Yeah, I chose and this one's from Gordon and this is not so much a question as it is a comment Okay, I so enjoyed the discussion that you had with Justin on should Christians choose the chosen Following along with Justin Peters John MacArthur Tom Pennington and yourself has been eye-opening I don't deserve to be with that group, but I sure appreciate it So he says I'm gonna look for your Bible study on Amazon I am hungry and thirst.
44:23: I'm a hungry and thirsty sinner for the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ Pray for me that I will be saved Gordon I I hope you truly are.
44:33: I mean if you're hungry and thirsting for Christ Yeah, how could you not be right Jesus describes his own disciples that way blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness? For they shall be satisfied.
44:45: I hope you've got a good church that you're talking with a pastor or somebody about these things Gordon I want to send you some books because right now we're packing up.
44:53: Yeah, we're moving to Arizona We are I've found some duplicate books in my office.
44:58: So I'm gonna send you some of these books and Just to help you further your walk with Christ Okay, so I'm gonna get Gordon's address from him and my Bible study along with that.
45:09: I'll make sure you get one of mine Yeah, and yeah, hope that will bless you Gordon continue to read continue to seek Christ the Bible above all else as Charles Spurgeon said spend time in many great books, but most of your time in the Bible This question from Matt and I see I'm glad that an interview like that Could even be something that leads a person to the truth.
45:34: Yeah, who did not previously know the truth So, thank you Gordon for that and and thank you to Justin for having me on the program that we could talk about these things And it could be that meaningful.
45:44: I'm going to make sure Justin sees this email too.
45:47: Yeah, so he knows about it.
45:48: Awesome Yeah, this one is from Matt.
45:51: He says hey Gabe and Becky because you love messages about the Chosen Put that in all caps lots of O's I Thought I'd pass along a link to the Chosen book series Oh my if you have the time to read a book about this, why not read the book about this? referring to the Bible Peddling Jesus light for money much.
46:17: Take care Matt.
46:19: Yeah, so the books the book series How about that? They've they claimed that they were making it strictly from the Bible, right? And yeah Now they're making books out of it Which yeah, because they've deviated so much from scripture.
46:35: They have that they're making books That in now the books and from what I can tell I've looked these up on Amazon.
46:41: I've never read one Okay, I don't care to I don't want to give them my money But from what I can tell they're written by Jerry B Jenkins who is Dallas Jenkins father Dallas is the son of the guy that wrote all the left-behind books Jerry Jenkins now Jerry had written a number of other books when I was a kid There were like a kid series that I read or for young adults Teens or something like that? Okay, and I remember reading several of those books if I remember right? He even did a few biographies.
47:11: I think he did the one on Oral Hersheiser I'm not positive about that but but I was a big fan of Oral Hersheiser when I was a kid a pitcher for the Dodgers number 55 and Helped them win the World Series Yeah and he wrote a book called out of the blue and I want to say cuz Oral Hersheiser was not an author and I Think Jerry Jenkins was the one that wrote it.
47:32: Maybe I'm not positive about that But I'm I still remember the book title was out of the blue so very unfortunately Oral Hersheiser has gone a different way with his life, but at the time claimed to be a Christian and Remember reading his book when I was a kid But the thing that Jerry Jenkins is most known for of course is the left-behind series So his son Dallas is the writer creator director of the Chosen So Jerry Jenkins Capitalizing on all this popularity of the Chosen now, you might say that seems a little unfair.
48:02: Well Jerry Jenkins is is an avid gambler He does not demonstrate a lifestyle that really shows to be one who fears God and wants to honor the Lord.
48:14: He has lost thousands and thousands of dollars gambling He's he's addicted to it.
48:22: So Do I think that he's trying to capitalize on the fame of the Chosen? Yeah, that's exactly what I think he's doing So capitalizing on the fame of the show.
48:30: He's written books from what I can tell the books are Are Basically the novelizations of the show Okay, so you think about like a movie that you might watch and there's the novelization version of the movie, right? I remember when I was a kid hook came out the movie about Peter Pan It had Robin Williams in it, you know, like an adult Peter Pan Yeah, there was a novelization of it Oh, and when my teachers told me that I had to read a book during quiet time I was like, well, I'm gonna read books out of movies that I've watched.
49:03: So I remember reading hook when I See just like you see the novelization of a movie.
49:09: So that's what these books are From the Chosen and I think it's like episode by episode One book might have two episodes in it or something like that So the the books are the novelization of the show Just to show you how much it deviates from scripture that you can't just point to the Bible and say well go read the Bible And then you're you're hearing the Chosen which I thought was the whole point of the Chosen, right? It's to point you to the Bible instead.
49:34: It's so far from that that didn't they now have these novelizations There's also Bible studies that go along with the show But as I've said before and as I said, you know in my interview with Justin They are so far off what scripture says don't think that whatever they're teaching you about What the Bible says is actually what the Bible says, right? This stuff is garbage and they are making millions and millions off of it.
50:00: Yeah.
50:00: Now, I don't know their heart They may have good intentions with the show They may actually think that they that this show is reaching people and bringing them to Christ They may actually think that that's what they're accomplishing with the show But as I said in my interview with Justin Peter had good intentions from keeping Jesus from going to the cross, right? And what did Jesus say to him get behind me Satan get behind me Satan for you are not thinking with the mind of God But with the mind of a man, yes, and that's these creators of this show.
50:31: They are not thinking with the mind of God There is no effort to keep this Compatible with what scripture says no matter how much they tell you We're trying to we want to do this and keep it as accurate to scripture as possible No, they don't because even those things that should be It should be an easy in the bag depiction of what scripture says.
50:53: They don't even get it close.
50:55: Yeah They're just telling you that Because they want to be subversive with the material that they're putting out maybe they do think they're being a hacker it I don't know but but nonetheless Good intentions are not What makes something right? Yeah now I have received emails, right? I think we've even read this email before there was an email that we got from somebody who said My wife and I used to watch The Chosen might have been the other way around It might have been the wife had emailed us and said my husband and I Were watching The Chosen and then we went read our Bibles and then we stopped watching The Chosen Yeah, so yeah, you can have those kinds of occasions where the show is actually brought somebody in But if they start reading scripture and they see what the Bible says and they know the show doesn't line up with it Yeah, then if they're truly following the Spirit, they're not gonna watch the show anymore.
51:45: Yeah That's one of those occasions when the Holy Spirit worked contrary to the show, right? It wasn't that the show brought them to Christ It was that the Holy Spirit brought them to Christ and was able to do so Correcting their thinking that had already been implanted by this bogus program But anyway, yeah, like we said in the beginning of the episode Season four is coming out all of these, you know, different things are just gonna keep rising up again And the the creators behind it love talking about themselves They're gonna push all the extra propaganda and stuff like that and try to keep it relevant in people's minds again Cuz this is a moneymaker.
52:24: They're making millions and millions of dollars off of this Yeah, so they wouldn't be doing it if they weren't making money off of it.
52:30: It's not just some charitable thing Yeah, it's making people rich Hence why Lionsgate got in on it.
52:37: Yeah and released it to theaters and all that.
52:39: It's not an evangelism tool They're making money off of this.
52:43: So anyway, thank you so much for listening today and We're not quite caught up with ourselves to be releasing these in the morning Not yet.
52:53: Anyway, yeah, right.
52:54: We'll get there.
52:55: We're getting this recorded on Friday night.
52:57: So it's still Friday It is it's the Friday edition of the broadcast.
53:00: We're just not getting it done Like we usually do and getting it released in the a.m So that might be the way things are going between now and when we move to Arizona Yeah, once again in case you haven't heard we made this announcement last week But I've been accepted as the pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church in Casa Grande Casa Grande, whichever way you want to we still haven't figured out our own pronunciations yet.
53:24: We'll figure it out when we get there That's right.
53:26: But anyway, love Being a part of this church hate to say goodbye to our church First Baptist in Lindale Yes, but making the most of these few weeks that we have left and then we're gonna be in a more desert climate Yeah, I'm going to go be the voice crying out in the wilderness make straight the paths of the Lord I'll get it on video for you.
53:50: That's right Hey pray for us as we're looking for a house.
53:55: There are a couple of rental properties We're not gonna have time to sell this house We're not gonna have time to buy another one for us to be able to move in so we're looking at a rental property there and we've got one that we really really like but it just is a matter of of Everything lining up properly and yeah, hopefully we get the house It would be a perfectly accommodating abode for us to be doing the podcast in this house that we're looking at renting.
54:19: Yes Which makes us really excited.
54:22: Yes, that would be awesome, right? Which was which was a hard thing moving here We just didn't think of those things well enough when we even bought this place that we live in so Be praying for us that all that stuff works out well, and we're able to get into We're able to get into a house.
54:39: Yes when we leave here and move there.
54:40: We'll have a place where we can I'm sure we'll have a place to sleep regardless It's a great church All right before we get to prayer.
54:51: Yes the end or I got to come back to my trivia question.
54:55: All right.
54:55: Yeah Yeah, okay.
54:56: So once again, here was the trivia question, which sport was invented as a means for evangelism To win men for the master and teach them Christian principles for godly behavior and community.
55:10: I had 564 votes Which was pretty good considering that my account is privatized right now.
55:18: So yeah, it's it's not a public account Yeah, you have to be following me on X in order to see anything that I post So, uh-huh.
55:26: I got 564 votes.
55:27: I'm gonna change my mind.
55:29: Okay, what's your answer originally? I thought it was baseball Originally, you said baseball, but I'm wondering if it's basketball.
55:34: Okay, because basketball is one of the choices, right? Right, okay 38.7% said baseball.
55:40: Okay 36.3% said basketball.
55:44: Okay 16.1% said football.
55:48: Uh-huh.
55:48: 8.9% said hockey.
55:50: Okay.
55:51: Now somebody left this comment and I wouldn't have thought I wish I had thought of this earlier That they said if you would put golf I would have assumed it was golf because of the quote to win men for the master And that's where the name masters came from.
56:05: Yeah, but that's that's it would have been correct.
56:07: Anyway, yeah, but that was good I should have included that and then Clever.
56:11: Yeah a little tricky.
56:12: The answer is basketball Ah, okay James Naismith was a Christian and he was looking for something to give restless young men to do and Through that even teach them godly principles teamwork being charitable toward others And so basketball was what he came up with interest It was it was to win men for the master through the gym.
56:35: That's that's the exact quote So he put he hung these baskets up and he had them throw the ball into the baskets Mm-hmm, and it became so incredibly popular that even in James Naismith time He witnessed it become one of the most popular sports in America and was a coach at Kansas University Which is why the gym at KU is named James Naismith Arena, I think is what it is now now Given that you don't really see that in the NBA now, you don't see the NBA is as this Christian beacon of You know trying to win men to the master through the gym, you know I don't see that nor do you see that in the YMCA anymore used to be the young men's Christian Association Nor do you see that in at KU One of the most liberal colleges in Kansas But originally that was where the whole idea for basketball came from as a chance to do evangelism to young men who were restless needed something to do and We're able to do that through sports.
57:47: That's cool.
57:48: I like it.
57:49: So there's the answer to that trivia question Maybe I'll do another one next week or a poll question of some kind.
57:54: Let's do it.
57:55: All right Heavenly Father We thank you for the time that we have together and we thank you for this program I pray for Gordon who had sent this email saying that he loved the interview that I did with Justin that he's loved listening to people like John McArthur and Tom Pennington and me and I Pray that the scripture that he is hearing the gospel that he hears proclaimed Would convict his heart would draw him near to Christ for what a great God you are to have Given us the gospel the good news that Jesus died on the cross for our sins He rose again from the dead so that whoever believes in him will not perish But we have everlasting life and I pray that that this new life being born again Is in the heart of Gordon and that he would desire Christ and continue to grow in him put some good men of God around him That will help train him up in the knowledge of the Lord and in the scriptures as well May we continue to proclaim the gospel that he would give us this opportunity to do that through this program Through the church where we minister and that all things would be done to the glory of Christ It's in his name that we pray.
59:03: Amen So, yeah, that's interesting to see how that will you know pass from one generation to the next as well But David is still an incredibly common name.
59:22: Yeah, I think James is the most common boy name if I remember, right? Okay, so yeah, some of those names just They never seem to go away They're always the popular names.
59:33: What do you call that when it's um, It's like time and true truth, how does that phrase go? I have no idea what you're talking about.
59:51: It's good It'll come to me later and I'll be like hey time and true.
59:58: No time.
59:59: What are you saying time and true? No, no, like it's it's good forever.
01:00:03: It's it's um nevermind Somebody I'll know it's good.
01:00:09: I'll think of it later time and true Better in my head Or no, I'm trying to bounce around the phrase.
01:00:19: I'm like, I don't know where this or this comes from True to time true to time time is true Popular for a long time it's good for a long time.
01:00:30: I don't know true and timely no Timeless timeless I know the term timeless.
01:00:39: I'm getting somewhere, but it's not there yet.
01:00:42: Okay, keep all right.
01:00:43: Never mind.
01:00:43: Okay We're skipping all that.
01:00:45: This is an outtake This is not gonna be in the program That was uh, I don't know why we're even trying to figure that one out.
01:00:55: Where was I? All right We're just gonna we're gonna end that That segments over.
01:01:01: I'm going to the next question timeless and true timeless and true you remember Timeless and true true and timeless.
01:01:10: I don't know that phrase It says it doesn't ring a bell listen true, but you got it.
01:01:15: You remembered it.
01:01:15: Yeah.
01:01:16: Yeah timeless and true.