WWUTT 2010 Q&A Good Manners, The Unforgivable Sin, Holy Cow, The Chosen Books

Did you know that there are books about the chosen and it's not the Bible? What does the Bible say about having good manners and is saying, holy cow, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? The answer is to these questions and others when we understand the text.

Program Introduction and Listener Questions

This is When We Understand The Text, a daily Bible commentary in God's Word that we may have the mind of Christ. Tell all your friends about our ministry at www .utt .com. Here once again is Pastor Gabe.

Thank you, Becky.

You're welcome. All right. So this is the Friday edition of When We Understand The Text, when we take questions from the listeners and you can submit those questions to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com.

I've got another couple of emails about the chosen. Oh, yeah. I'm going to stick them toward the back end in case all of you are irritated with the chosen as I am. But we still get emails about it because I did that interview with Justin.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's still around. Yeah. It's still a thing. Season four is coming out. Ah. And people still are attached to it. Right. So it's not failing or tanking.

There were two episodes, I think it was, from season three that were in theaters. Oh, wow. I think it was the season debut and it was the season finale. They put those two episodes in theaters. So we're probably going to see the same thing happen with season four.

Lionsgate is the production company behind it now. So it's in association. Yeah. It's in association with Angel Productions who did it. Yeah. The Mormon group that put it out in the first place. But then even with Lionsgate, it's got wider distribution.

Right. So they're the ones, I think, that have been behind putting it in theaters. They're surely going to try to do that again. Probably. And we'll just hear all the hoopla about the chosen again. Yeah.

So whatever we've done and have put on YouTube or it's ended up online, I pray people find it and recognize that it's not biblical. It's a different Christ. It is not the Jesus of the Bible. But yeah, like I said, we'll get to those questions on the back end.

Yeah.

For those of you who are tired of hearing about it. Now that you've done a little blurb in the front.

That's right. First of all, I did a poll question. I'm going to ask this at the beginning and then I'm going to give the answer at the end. Okay. And this was more than a poll. This was, I asked it as a poll question on social media, but it's really a trivia question.

Okay. Which sport was invented as a means for evangelism to win men for the master? That's an exact quote. And teach them Christian principles for godly behavior and community. Was it A, baseball, B, basketball, C, football, or D, hockey?

I'm going to ask you that. You decide in your mind which one you think is the answer.

Well, as you were saying the question before the answers, the possible answers, I was thinking baseball, but I could be wrong. Okay.

Hold on to that answer. All right. At the very end, we'll answer it. Okay. Here's the trivia question for this week. The answer is coming at the end. First question is from Marissa. The first question was last week's last question.

Raising Children with Manners and Biblical Courtesy

Yeah, that's right. Marissa says, hello, Gabe and Becky. I was wondering if you can talk about raising children with manners and Bible verses that support it. Also, what that looks like practically. We live in a day and age that seems like manners, like from my childhood, are no longer a thought or necessity.

Praying for you and for your ministry. Thanks so much.

Thank you for being patient and waiting another week. That's right.

So, how do we teach our kids manners?

Over and over and over again. Yes. Constant repetition.

Over and over. That's definitely the case. You have to be persistent in it, and you also have to demonstrate good manners. Yes. Okay. I'm going to read you a passage here. Let me read this first. So, we'll start with a little bit of scripture, and then I'm going to share something that actually just happened to me this past week.

So, if I hadn't put this question off until a week, I wouldn't have this good example story to share here. All right. Fair enough. So, Ephesians 6, beginning in verse 1, Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.

Honor your father and mother, which is the first commandment with a promise, so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long in the land. Fathers do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

Now, that very use of the word discipline implies repetition. Okay. So, when you talk about discipline, oftentimes we just think about punishment. Right.

But, no, to be disciplined in something, it takes a lot of practice.

I think punishment is in that, because you want to show your kids there's consequences for bad behavior, but also being disciplined means that there's persistence in the good behavior. That's true. Yeah.

So, you're doing the good thing persistently. If they do something bad, here's the consequences for that. And then, even that has to be done consistently and with repetition. So, if the child does something wrong and you have to discipline them for it, that's a consistent discipline.

And so, they've come to learn, okay, every time I do this wrong, I get this consequence. Right. So, it guides them in the right way to go. Yes. So, there's a consistency in that. But mom and dad, you've got to be a good example of good manners and good behavior, even to your children.

Mm-hmm. And that has to be consistent. Even to your children. Yes. Exactly. Yes. Yes. I wanted to emphasize that. To your children. Right. You can show manners to your kids. Right. Also. Yes. It's showing them that you are not quick-tempered.

Right. But you can keep a level head and respond civilly when they do something wrong and in a polite way. You can do that without having to say to your kids, yes, ma 'am and yes, sir. Right. You know?

Of course. They have to say that to their elders or to authority. You don't have to say that to your kids, but you can still demonstrate manners to your kids. Mm-hmm. So, the way that they see you acting will also reinforce to them those things that you've been teaching them with regards to good manners.

Right. So, this goes to the thing that happened to me earlier this week. Sure. I'm curious about this. I was in the grocery store. I guess I didn't tell you about this. I don't think so. I was at the store.

I came to the self-checkout line. This was one of those days where it was just packed. Okay. Every line was full. Every checkout line was full. And there was even a lot of people at the self-checkout.

So, and you know, at self-checkout, there's never like an orderly line. Right. People just kind of stand around. Right. And you look at each other like, were you next? Yeah. Is it me? Who's next? So, I went to the closest register right at the entrance to the self-checkout, and I'm doing my groceries, and there's a guy next to me that has come like to the mouth of the self-checkout.

Okay. And he's got one of his children with him, a little girl, who had one of the little kid shopping carts. Aww. He said... I love those things. Yeah, I know. I try to teach my kids shopping with that, too, so they'll get the little cart.

He said or did something with her. I didn't catch what it was, but it made her pitch a fit. Okay. She threw herself down on the ground. She started yelling and screaming and crying. Now, on the one hand, I didn't pay much attention to it because...

That's a norm around here. It's a norm. Yeah. Thankfully, our kids don't really do that in the store often, right? That's why I say they don't really do that. Yeah, sure. Fair enough. It's happened a couple of times, but it's rare.

So kids do that, so I didn't pay much mind to it. I just continued checking out my groceries. But then one of the tellers, is that what you call them, clerk? I guess they're clerks. In a grocery store...

It's a cashier. A store clerk, cashier, maybe? She's not really a cashier because it's self-checkout.

True. But, I mean, technically, she's got to make sure that you're doing it right.

Well, it used to be store clerks. I always thought of it as like the grocery store equivalent of a stewardess on an airplane. So it's...

I don't know. You call that a clerk? I don't know what their official job title is anymore. We're going to stick with clerk.

Yeah, sure. Go for it. So the clerk came up to him and said, sir, there's a register over here. Are you planning on paying with just card? And he said, no, I have cash. And she said, yeah, I'm sorry. This is a card-only machine that's open over here.

Well, as she's walking away from him, he pitches a fit. Oh, no way. And he swore about how ridiculous this system is, that not every register is card and cash. There's only some that are card and some that are cash.

But she doesn't have any control over that. No, she doesn't. And yet he's taking it out on her. And when I... Don't shoot the messenger. Right. When I observed that, I thought to myself, I didn't engage, didn't get in between anybody.

But as I saw that, I was like, okay, that's why your child was pitching a fit. Yeah. That's... Yeah. Because your child is getting it from dad. Yeah. Now, like I said before, the correlation doesn't always equal causation.

Right. Very true. But in this particular case, kids, they're going to pitch a fit in the grocery store. It happens sometimes. But in this particular case, it still was like, no, that child's acting that way because you act that way.

Yeah. Your child is picking that up from you. Yeah. And so... Definitely encouraged because of it. Yeah. Right. So this, once again, kind of reinforces the point of your children are going to imitate what they see you do.

Oh, yeah. So there needs to be a consistency even in the kinds of manners that you're teaching them. They see you acting with manners. It doesn't have to be the exact same manners, like I said before, because you're not going to be calling your kids, yes, ma 'am, yes, sir, that sort of thing.

Right. But like, for example, teaching my son to shake a hand. I'll shake his hand and say, here, give me a firm handshake. So I teach him how to shake a hand. It's not just sticking your hand out and letting the other person shake it.

Right. But you have to do a genuine handshake. Or do a loose hand. Yeah, the loose... That's really annoying. All right, just a hand of a dead fish. Don't do that. But look them in the eye. Make eye contact.

Introduce yourself. Say your name. Right. So we teach our kids to do that. You don't just tell them, shake a hand. You actually show them how to shake a hand. Right. And you have to go through the steps.

Yeah. Like, break it down for them. Like, this is important. This is important. This is all part of... Right. It's not just this. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. When my son sees me at church greeting people, I want him to see that I'm making eye contact and shaking hands and I'm only talking to this person and I'm not looking all over for more interesting people.

Right. You know what I mean? Yes. The way that you said that I met you the first time. Yep. That was exactly it. In case you don't know the story, I don't remember meeting Becky the first time. Nope. But I sure met you.

I remember the first time I met her. I don't remember when she met me, so. But see, that would have been a bad example for my kids if we had children then. I don't think we shook hands though. I think we did.

Oh, did we not? I don't think... Well, I don't know. We may have. I don't know either. Well, of course you don't. I'll have to think about it. So, anyway, yeah. So, my kids see that. Like, I'm engaging with the person that I'm talking to.

Yes. I'm not acting like there's something better for me to be doing right now than having this conversation with you. Right. So, again, modeling that for your kids. You teach them how to do it, but then they also see you do it.

Mm-hmm. What was one... There was one that recently I remember... Oh, no, no, no. I remember now.

So, answering the phone. This was something... Oh, my goodness. Answering the phone and talking on the phone, just phone etiquette itself... Yes. ...is non-existent.

It's become less of a thing because you don't really have a family phone anymore. Right. Like, there's not a landline that everybody goes to and answers. Right. So, it's not a common thing to be teaching your kids phone etiquette.

Right. But, yeah, like when you would have one of the kids call me... Yep. ...and I would answer the phone and they would just sit there. Yep. And I'm like, okay, you've got to say something. I got to...

I'm like, you've got to say hello. They don't know you're there. Or I would call and they would answer your phone... Yes. ...and then we would just sit there. Yep. I'm like, okay, this is not Becky. Yeah.

Who's there?

And then, you know, like, okay, I think I've got to go and then it's just click. Yeah, right. They just... Like, there's nothing else. Yeah.

It's not... Not goodbye. Not goodbye. Which is the way, if you've ever noticed, everybody hangs up the phone in a TV show or in a movie. Yeah. That's true. They never say goodbye. They never do. The call just ends and they...

They just click. Yeah, that's just it. Yep. Even going back to Landlines, that was the way everybody in movies ended their phone conversation. They just hang up the phone. Yep. It's so weird. So maybe that's where our kids get it from.

They saw it in a show, so that... Apparently, that's the way you end a phone conversation. I don't know. So you might have to make a concerted effort with a smartphone, teaching them phone etiquette. Right.

The... How you answer, how you have a conversation. Yes. You can't... You can't nod your head. Yes. They can't see you. Right. Unless it's FaceTime. I know, right? And even then, the image is probably frozen, so you should still say yes or no.

Yes. Right.

Okay. So my advice on this is that children learn in repetition, and they learn better when you start simple and you build on it. And so you pick the most important things that affect their everyday life that they can learn first, and just focus on those.

And then once they get those under wrap, like you know they know this, they're getting it, it's coming a lot easier for them. You only have to remind them a couple times. Then I would add one more thing.

The next important thing, like, okay, I've noticed you're doing really, really good here. Let's learn a little bit more. And so then you give them a little bit more. So along with the handshake steps, you know, you teach them how to shake a hand first.

Well, then they've got that down. Now you can add eye contact, you know. And then you add in, okay, now here's the conversation, like you just talk with them, you know. And then you just kind of build on it.

So like with the phone etiquette, you know, you teach them how to answer the phone, right? Or how to say goodbye, you know, like, okay, hello and goodbye. That's what I want you to learn. And then you just practice.

You can call their grandma, you can, they love this kind of stuff. They eat it up. Okay. So don't, don't be ashamed to be like, okay, we're going to practice, you know. And then let them know ahead of time so they know what they're working on.

And then just call aunts and uncles that you haven't talked to in forever. They love talking with their friends. Oh my goodness. So love talking with their friends. But the issue with the friends, depending upon the age, is that they, they, they're also working on these things too.

They might not know to say hello and say goodbye on the phone. So it might be a little discouraging. That's what I was looking for. So it might be a little more discouraging for them to learn. So that's why you want to pick like an older person who knows the etiquette already.

Right. There you go. So yeah.

That you're working on. Yeah. And then there's also, there's also, you know, different cultures have different manners. Oh, very true. And I'm not just talking about different nationalities. I mean, even in the United States.

Yeah. So what will pass for good manners in Texas might not be the best of manners in New York or California. Yes. I remember when I had never been to California before, but my brother had gone out there to work the wine country.

He worked in, I guess, Napa Valley. Okay. Yeah. And was driving truck during a time when they were harvesting grapes and making the wine and stuff like that. So he got a job out there and he was just driving truck.

But he talked about how people just in that area, in the particular area that he was in, how little people made eye contact. Oh yeah. And so like they think it's strange even when you open a door for them because they think you want something.

Oh, interesting. Like, you're doing this for me because you're trying to sell me something or something like that. I don't want to say it for sure being that particular area because I'm just kind of relaying a story from years ago.

But I've since been to California, guys, just at that time had never been to California before. So I just remember him telling me that. Like some of those things that we considered to be good Great Plains, heartland values living in Kansas did not pass for etiquette in a place like California.

So you might need to think about that. There's different areas where you live where certain manners are going to go a different way than others.

Like eye contact. That's another thing. And not everywhere says ma 'am and sir. Right, exactly. That is sometimes like they're offended. You said ma 'am or sir.

But by the way, using a person's preferred pronouns is not good etiquette. No. That's lying. So like if a man wants to be called she, her, whatever, you're not going to use third person pronouns talking to a person one-on-one anyway.

Not usually, no. But that's not good etiquette. It's not good manners. They're actually being rude, asking you to lie on their behalf. So keep that in mind. Now one of the things that Marissa had asked for were what are some Bible verses that go along with this?

Well because manners and etiquette tend to be so varied among differing cultures, we really don't have a lot of scripture. Like there's nothing there that explicitly says have good manners. But those things that instruct us to be mindful of one another, to love your neighbor, to be charitable toward each other, those kinds of instructions can include just having a good demeanor toward each other.

You know, being polite is being considerate of one another. We talked about being respectful of those who are over you in authority. So consider a passage like Titus 3, 1 and 2. Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey and be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.

And if you think about manners, manners are simply being humble. You are being humble toward others. You are not trying to show yourself or assert yourself as better than anybody else, nor are you being inconsiderate.

Like there's something about you that is considering another person, their perceptions. Like their perspective of things? Yeah, that sort of a thing. So it's humbling yourself. The whole concept of the handshake even originates from showing another person, I don't have any weapons.

Oh really? You know what I mean? Like I mean no harm toward you, peace, just extending a hand. So you think of that, think of that concept and apply that to manners. Like I want to be friendly toward you and that's what having good manners conveys.

So think of the golden rule, Luke 6, 31, just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Philippians 2, 3 through 4, let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility let each person consider others more than themselves.

Let each of you look not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. There is a principle that is being articulated there where manners can apply, even though it doesn't explicitly say have good manners.

But you can see how a passage like that would be something that would convey to us, here's the reason, here's the importance of having good manners toward one another. Lastly, 1 Peter 3, 8, finally all of you be of one mind, having compassion toward one another, loving each other, tenderhearted and courteous.

That's a good word. So that one I think would be pretty synonymous with having good manners, being courteous toward one another. And where was that?

That was 1 Peter 3, 8. Okay. We have in our classroom, in our homeschool group, I picked a verse that was, be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as in Christ God forgave you, Ephesians 4, 32.

Yes. So that one was, that's our classroom rule as far as like, okay, what are ways that we can be kind to one another, and tenderhearted, and forgiving, you know, like these are all ways of manners. And it can apply in a wide variety.

Oh, yes, right. And we even talked about that in class, about how that can be, you know, interrupting, that can be, you know, because that's unkind. It doesn't just include hitting and kicking and all that stuff and arguing.

But if that does happen, then we are to forgive, because that's part of also being kind. Right. And part of that.

That's also in Colossians 3. Yeah. So it's God forgave you, so you must forgive one another. Yes. Just think about the one another passages in the Bible, anything that gives us an instruction about one another.

There's almost 60 one another verses. Oh, wow. And it's something like, I can't remember what it is, 45 or something like that. But most of those one another passages are about how you love your brother or sister in the Lord.

Oh, that's neat. So loving one another. If you just, through a Bible search app, type in one another, and wherever you find those one another passages, those are real good to apply to, here's why we need to be considerate of each other.

Yeah. Courteous toward one another, having good manners. Yes. Yeah.

Great question, Marissa. Yeah. Oh, another thing is to practice, if you're talking about table manners, is just to have a tea party with the girls. And guys actually, he actually likes... I wasn't smirking. I just was holding in a cough.

That was... That was odd timing. Funny timing. But yeah, no, I wasn't trying to smirk at that. Uh-huh.

No, but Zachary, our son, who's 12 now, he still likes to sit down. I'll make him dress up a little bit. He doesn't have to wear the whole shebang, but... But he doesn't have the whole shebang. No, he has ties.

He just conveniently loses them. Yeah, right.

He grew out of his sport coat, and I just haven't bought him another one.

But so he'll dress up a little bit, and he'll make his hair nice, and everything like that. But he likes to have those snacks, because we make some goodies, and we have really sweet tea. And if it's not tea, then it's lemonade, because most of the kids don't want tea anyway.

They have a tea party, and they don't even want the tea. I know. It's so crazy.

But we'll use the little teacups that are actual teacups, like China teacups, and we'll just be super careful with them. And this is the time to teach them with napkins, not just paper napkins, but actual napkins.

And we make the table pretty, so it's like a whole thing, but it's just about a tea party. That's it.

Right. And so... And if you don't do a tea party, you have sit-down dinners with the family. Teach your kids how to set the table. Oh, yeah. That's a good one. And how to have good manners with, you cut with this hand, you eat with this hand, that sort of thing.

Yeah. It doesn't have to be all the time. You don't tuck the tablecloth into your shirt collar. Not in this culture. I think some cultures they do, though. That might be the case. So years and years ago, when my family was still in Christian radio, and we would do Christian concerts, we'd have big name artists in.

There was one artist in particular who, her family was Asian. And I can't remember which Asian. Could have been Korean, could have been Vietnamese. But anyway, we had this artist in concert, and her whole family came.

Oh, that's awesome. Well, she had her little brother, who was like five at the time, or something like that. And their culture, good manners, you compliment the chef by belching. Oh. Well, the chef was my mom.

She made all the food, and had other people, you know, help prepare sides for, and things.

Like that. I'm not just trying to picture your mom doing this, because she's like a Southern belle, kind of. Yes, oh yeah. To a T. Right.

Georgia peach. Yes. That's my mom. So she made all this food, and it generally had kind of a Southern flair to it. Being in Kansas, some of the German influence from people around us kind of came into it as well.

So if you can imagine a mix of Southern and German food together. It's delicious. It's so good. She made this great spread, of course, for the bands. I can say this. I don't want to reveal this artist's name, since I'm not getting some details right.

But Rich Mullins loved my mom's seven-layer salad. Yes. And when we moved from Pennsylvania to Kansas, he had the seven-layer salad, and knew immediately, I know who made this. Where is she? Yeah, right.

Where is she? Right. He knew exactly who it was that made that salad. He loved my mom's food. But anyway, so going back to this story. So the five-year-old boy is done with his meal, and he wants to go compliment my mom for the food.

So he goes and looks her full in the face, really musters this up from his chest, lets out this full burp to compliment her for the food. And the band lost it. They're falling on the floor, cracking up because of this gesture.

I thought, I actually just walked in the room right as it was happening. And I didn't quite understand what the joke was, but it was a pretty hilarious sight. So mom took it in stride. She wasn't offended in any way.

I think she got the gist of what was going on. Yeah, probably. I think at first she might have thought it was a practical joke. Maybe. Like, the band is all coaxed. I can see that, yeah. But she took it well, and then it was explained.

This is why he came over to you and let out a big burp like this. That's so cute. Different cultures, different manners. I love it. But being considerate toward one another, that is a biblical instruction.

Yes. All right, next question. Are we good on that one? I think so. Great input in there, too. Loved what you had to share. This is from Caleb. Pastor Gabe, I appreciate what you said about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

The Unforgivable Sin and Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

This is something that I have often wrestled with, wondering if I've committed the unforgivable sin. While I understand now that it's not as easy as saying something like, I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit, what would you say about expressions like, holy cow, or something like that?

I'm sure you can think of worse versions of the phrase than holy cow. That's a good mild version of it. I don't think that's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and I don't think you would either, but how would you categorize expressions like that?

Thank you for your ministry. Well, this goes back to lessons that we were doing this week. So I was in Matthew 12, and it's in Matthew 12, 10 to 32, sorry, 30 to 32, where Jesus says, he who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.

Therefore, I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be given people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him.

But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. And so as I explained this this past week, it goes beyond what the atheists were doing 15, 20 years ago when they were doing that whole blasphemy challenge.

Like there were atheists who were taking videos of themselves, and they were putting their money where their mouth is, essentially, saying, I am so committed that I don't believe in God. I'm so convinced that God doesn't exist that I'm going to do this blasphemy of the Holy Spirit from which I can never be forgiven, according to what Jesus says.

And so they would video themselves saying, I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit. I heard about this going on, and I was reluctant to watch the videos, because I just don't want to watch people blaspheming the God I worship, you know.

I understand that. But when I finally saw one, it was a young woman that was doing it. And when I finally saw it, and she was just saying, I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit, and I'm going, well, you guys are atheists.

You do that anyway. Right. So when I'm watching her do this on film, I'm just going, I don't see how this is some like big revolutionary, like, now I'm never going to heaven sort of a statement. Praise God that he is so great and so good and so gracious that you didn't just completely eliminate yourself from eternity.

Oh, amen. That the gospel can still be spoken to you. The Holy Spirit will still convict your heart to repent of your sin and come to faith in Jesus Christ. But nonetheless, you know, there is a blasphemy that's happening there.

It's just not what Jesus is talking about here. What he's saying is that if the Holy Spirit has truly shown you the truth, and there is no question that what you are observing is something that came from God, like you know in your heart it's from God, because the Holy Spirit has revealed it to you.

But you deny it anyway, and you harden your heart against it. That's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And that's what the Pharisees were doing, in that they knew what was happening was from God, but the only, their heart was so hardened against it that the only thing that they could come up with to say against it is that, oh, well, Jesus is casting out demons because he's of the demons himself.

So they know that what's happening is from God, they know that only God can do this, and yet they attribute it to Satan. And that's what Jesus was saying, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Like your heart is so hard that even when the Spirit has revealed the truth to you in this way, not just the truth was spoken to you, but you denied it.

The Holy Spirit had actually shown you in your minds that this was true, and yet your heart was so hard against it that you attributed it to Satan. That was a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit's revealing.

So that's what's being talked about there with regards to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And as I said this past week, if you have to ask that question with conviction, have I committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

Like you're actually concerned, you want to worship Christ, but you're worried that maybe I've done something that permanently eliminates me from ever getting to heaven. If that is your concern, you haven't committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Because not only Because your heart would be so hardened that you wouldn't even be concerned about that. Right. Precisely. Yeah.

Or thinking about it. Yeah. So as Jesus is saying this of the Pharisees here, he's also saying they won't ever repent. They won't ever even want to repent. So it's not like he's making some declaration and then the Pharisees are automatically going to go, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

If that's what it means I take it back. I take it back. No, they don't even want to. Right. Jesus is saying that to those Pharisees, to his disciples, to everybody else that's present, so that they understand the seriousness of the accusation that the Pharisees are making.

This is a warning for all those who are involved.

That's what that means. And it's probably like a heads up to the people who are Christians of they are lost. Like they're gone. And so because their hearts are hardened so much that they're not coming back.

So don't yearn for that. Don't long for that. Don't try to mend those and bring them back to the church. Well, yeah.

Do you think? Well, what I had said with regards to that this past week was really only Christ would know that. Well, of course. Of course. Only Christ would know that a person has truly seen the truth is revealed by the spirit and their heart was so hard against it that they attributed it to something evil.