August 13, 2020 Show with Mike Kleinsasser on “One Man’s Journey Out From the Hutterites Into the Doctrines of Sovereign Grace”

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13th day of August 2020.

And I know I'm going to be utterly fascinated by our interview today.

We have for the very first time joining us as a guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Mike Kleinsasser.

He is pastor of Grace Life Church of Richland Center Wisconsin and he is going

to be discussing his own personal journey out from the Hutterites into the doctrines

of sovereign grace.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio pastor Mike

Kleinsasser.

It is a privilege to...

And I'm gonna give our listeners right away our email address if you have any questions about the Hutterites about

Mike Kleinsasser's personal journey about the doctrines of sovereign grace that he

has embraced or about his church whatever the case may be.

Send us an email to chrisarnzen at gmail .com C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z

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As always give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside the USA and

only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Perhaps you are a Hutterite and you're listening and you're starting to question things that you have been taught

or whatever the reason would be that you would want to remain anonymous.

We will grant your request but please only remain anonymous as I said if it's a personal and private question

and a general question we ask that you give us at least your first name city and state and country of residence.

Well first of all tell us before we go into your story tell us about Grace Life Church of Richland

Center, Wisconsin.

Grace Life Church is a sovereign grace church.

A church plan

which has gone through some hard times preaching the doctrines

of grace and quite a few people left and

it was

very

hard

terminology.

Some Sundays when everybody is people with children and everybody but

average I

would say

it's probably excited what God is doing.

We live in a community of 5 ,000 people there's over 30 churches here.

And if you want more information about Grace Life Church of Richland Center, Wisconsin go to Facebook

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so we'll keep you updated on that.

Well I would love to hear now about your personal childhood

your upbringing in your home and I'm assuming that

was a Hutterite home and if you could tell us about that perhaps you could even before that

tell us in summary form about the Hutterites.

Who are they?

What makes them unique?

How are they different?

And how are they similar to the Amish and the Mennonites and other Anabaptists?

And you could start there with a definition.

Okay,

well the

Hutterite

people are

as

we

all

know

they

started

when

you get

baptized.

That's where your regeneration happens.

So it is quite alive till

sundown.

What you do when you.

But that's not

much

better.

It's not

a

similar.

Yes, I have interviewed a wonderful brother by the name of Chuck

Volo.

In fact, I urge our listeners to look up my interviews with Chuck

at ironsharpensironradio .com when you click past shows podcast.

If you type in the search engine his last name V as in victory U -O -L -O

you will see my interviews with Chuck Volo and he is an evangelist to the Amish

and he has been used of God to lead a number of Amish

folks to a true saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and the true gospel of the

scriptures.

And Chuck also is a is a pastor.

He's the pastor of New Life Church in Maryland

in Kingsville, Maryland.

And he is just a joy to know and to fellowship with.

His website just to let you know is newlifemd .org.

Newlifemdformaryland .org.

But I was fascinated by my interview.

In fact, Chuck also has brought former Amish folks with him

to be interviewed on this program.

And to hear their testimonies is quite exciting and quite fascinating.

But he made it very clear that it is a completely different gospel than the gospel of

biblical Christianity.

As you already mentioned, it's a works righteousness gospel.

Perhaps even more so more Pelagian than the Roman Catholic Church itself.

But quite frightening.

Although we have to say and now you can you can chime in about the Hutterites.

But even though they are the Amish are very, very strict and legalistic

and are involved in teaching the heresy, the damnable heresy of works, righteousness, salvation,

that many of them are, if not most of them, are very kind and

compassionate and graceful and loving.

Uh, even when they have disfellowshipped people, I have been told that if they hear you're

in need, they'll bring food to you.

Now, would that be a similar description of the Hutterites?

Yes, they are.

The Hutterites are very, very lovable people.

They're very giving people.

They're

very

kind

people.

They give.

They're the first to to be there when there's a need in the community.

They will help.

It is a very, very the

gospel to them.

Now, is there anything people?

Is there anything different about the the attire that they wear and the

like, for instance, the Amish have beards and no mustaches and they have different rules like that?

I mean, are there similar kinds of rules of appearance?

Yes, there are.

They dress quite similar.

They all have to wear black.

Now, how would that be different from the Amish?

Isn't that exactly what they do?

Well, yeah,

but see what

the

Hutterites, the

left, they

put so

much stuff.

And are the Anabaptist roots from the same stream?

Are you all descendants of Menno Simmons or do you have a different

origin than the other Amish and the Mennonites?

The Amish are actually descendants of the Mennonites, but the Hutterites.

And he was executed by the Church of Rome?

Yes.

And do you know what the specific reasons were?

Yes, because...

Now, when you say baptizing babies, you mean they were opposed to baptizing?

Yes, they were opposed, but they were

very, very critical on that.

And they were that they're pacifists.

They do not carry.

They do not believe in going to war.

Sounds like there are many similarities with the Amish.

Well, tell me about your day to day life growing up.

And when was it in your life that you can recall you started questioning

Hutterite belief and practice?

And how did you start hearing the true gospel?

Well, it was like growing up, you know,

your laughter.

And I didn't

even

set back.

Now, you say that you obviously discovered the true gospel.

How did that specifically occur?

Were you still isolated in the community with the Hutterites?

Or were you out of that after your trek to Wisconsin?

Is that when you discovered?

And why did you go to Wisconsin to begin with?

15, 20 years ago, I said, I don't know.

But now I know.

I know why I'm here.

Did you say you jumped off the roof?

Is that what you said?

Yes, I did.

I jumped off the roof.

I was up on an eight foot roof.

I jumped off the side of the roof.

And I told God that I was working with.

I said, I'll be back.

I went home and I fell before God and I repented.

Well, you didn't injure yourself by jumping off?

Oh, nope. I landed good.

Now, so obviously you didn't leave the Hutterites because of

religious convictions to the contrary of what they believed.

You just wanted to get out from under their yoke, their authority.

Perhaps there, maybe you considered their backward ways and you wanted to explore.

Modern society.

Is that more about why you left?

Yes, but the side of the story that gets

a little, when you leave there,

that's

why

I

said

earlier,

when

you

leave,

they said, well,

this is.

Wow.

Now, the Mennonites, I don't know a lot about them, but obviously they

are a distinct group from the Amish, although they have the same origins.

Uh, but from what I understand, the Mennonites are far more diverse from conservative to

liberal, but you may be more likely to find among them a

church and people that actually believe in the gospel, not the gospel of sovereign

graces.

We would, uh, call it, but the distilled gospel of,

of believing that, uh, we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

And that, uh, repentance and belief in the triune God, uh,

entrusting in his sacrifice on Calvary, uh, will save you.

Am I right to say that you are more likely going to find someone who believes

in the true gospel, albeit from an Arminian, Wesleyan,

semi -Pelagian spin?

All the names that you named here, semi -Pelagian.

Well, we have

to go to our

first break

and we'll

pick

up

where we left

off in your

story.

When we return.

If anybody would like to join us, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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is Mike Kleinsasser.

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, and we left your story before the

station break when you were attending a Mennonite church after having left the

Hutterite community and moved to Wisconsin, I believe Madison at the time,

and you were attending a Mennonite church.

That was where your father -in -law was attending, and you became disenchanted,

disgruntled.

You were not settled in your heart and mind with what you were hearing completely, so tell us more about

that.

So

yeah,

so

I

went

on

with

you.

Oh, one of your brothers that had also left the Hutterites.

Yeah, he was converted already.

Oh, wow.

Converted already at that time.

And where's your other brother with the Lord?

Is he also a Christian?

Yes, but...

Oh, praise God.

Amen.

Oh, there's...

You mean right now?

They're going to Graceland?

Oh, great.

Praise God.

So what happened is we started meeting at my brother's base.

I didn't even know what it looked like.

You were already functioning as the pastor there for your brother's congregation meeting in his home?

Well, yeah, we were actually...

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Now, it is fascinating as I hear you.

Your Hutterite background was obviously such an isolated and

close -knit community that your accent doesn't even sound American.

I mean, I've heard many different accents from the different coasts and from the north and south.

You actually sound like you're from a foreign country.

You sound like you're possibly from Germany or Austria or something like that or one of the Baltic countries.

Yes, yes, it is very, very...

You hardly have...

Now, nowadays, it's a little more because they're doing a lot of industry.

They don't want to speak German because people make fun of my accent.

And they don't want to be made fun of.

You mean the German people make fun of your accent?

No, the people in the community.

Oh, okay.

Now, that seems to be another difference between the Hutterites and the Amish because from what I understand

is that the Amish speak a dialect that is not authentic German.

That is correct.

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As we continue our discussion on one man's journey out from the Hutterites into the doctrines of grace, it's chrisarnsen at gmail

.com and we have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who wants to know where

either in the United States or in Canada or overseas are the majority of

Hutterites.

Where are the majority of the Hutterites existing?

The majority of the Hutterites.

Quite

a

bit.

There's

quite

a few.

Oh

so that's the Hutterites I have seen.

I remember years ago I saw.

On some secular documentary type television program, might have even been 60

Minutes, I can't remember, but I saw a special on a group that I thought back

then were Amish but maybe there are also Amish folks in Japan.

I know it's a tiny minority obviously.

In fact, less than one percent of the population of Japan is Christian in any way

shape or form but that is fascinating that there are Hutterites there.

Well, thank you B .B. for your question.

We have Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina, a faithful listener to this program and also a

generous financial supporter.

Grady says, greetings brothers Chris and Mike.

Are there other splinter groups from the Amish community besides the Hutterites?

What was that question again?

Are there other splinter groups from the Amish community besides the Hutterites?

There

are

some.

But there are groups, there are people that go by different names that have,.

You know, from the whole Anabaptist Mennonite movement.

For instance, I know that there's a group, I think they may be predominantly in Pennsylvania, I can't remember where, but there's a

group called the Dunkards that believe in trine immersion.

They baptize you, they dunk you three times, and there are other groups like that.

But I'm not an expert on the issue.

But thank you Grady for your question.

Let's see, we have John in Bangor, Maine who wants to know,

this is a fascinating discussion on a subject that is rarely addressed anywhere in Christian media.

Do you have any intention to eventually write a book on your departure from.

The Hutterites?

I have not, I have not thought about it, but I have been approached

if I would like

that, but I never thought about writing a

book, no.

Will it happen?

I don't know.

Well,.

Ephraim Stolzfus is a former Amish individual who

came to Christ through the ministry of the pastor in Maryland I just mentioned to you earlier,

Chuck Volo.

And Ephraim Stolzfus and another

former Amish individual who became a Christian are in a documentary, in fact I think it's a two -part documentary.

The first part is called Trouble in Amish Paradise, and it gives their whole testimony of how they

became Christians, how they began to be shunned by the Amish community because of that, and

really a fascinating documentary.

So perhaps we should get you to, you and Ephraim, I don't know the other

individual that was in the documentary with Ephraim, but I should get you in contact with each other

because perhaps he could assist you in getting that documentary made or that movie made.

That would be great.

Thank you, John in Bangor, Maine.

Let's see here, we have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

And CJ says, I have heard from your previous interviews on the Amish that

rampant in the Amish community is things like child molestation

and spousal abuse.

Are they as rampant among the Hutterites?

And we

have RJ

in

White Plains, New York.

RJ in White Plains, New York wants to know,.

I recall from your testimony earlier on in the program that you became an

alcoholic and a drug addict.

Are those things present, meaning alcoholism and drug addiction amongst the.

Hutterite community, or did you begin drinking after you

left them?

I've got to

hear

more

about.

The radical, absolutely revolutionary transformation in your

understanding of how we are made right with God, coming from the endless

treadmill of works righteousness in a group like the Hutterites and discovering that

Jesus paid it all, as the hymn says, all to him I owe.

Sin has left its crimson stain, he washed me white as snow.

The fact that this is a totally opposite understanding of

how we come from being at war with God to being at peace

with God, as my friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries has very aptly put it,

and he was primarily speaking of Roman Catholicism, I believe, when talking about this, but any system

that depends on our performance in order to not only

win the favor of God and earn the favor of God, but also maintain the favor of God,

is really not peace with God at all.

It's a ceasefire that can erupt into a full -scale war at any given moment

when you lose your salvation.

We, on the other hand, believe that salvation is all of grace.

By grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone, we believe in the true shalom, the true peace that's a

perfect peace, an unending peace, a peace that can never be taken away from us if we are truly his.

If you could describe more in detail about that transformation.

Okay,

yeah, so

quickly

on that, I come

looking

for you, and

the Bible

says

you began this work,

and

you're going

to

complete

it, and I

started

preaching

through

the

book,

I

thought

just a month,

so it was,

and I would

say

that I would preach

about the

teachers, and

I said at that

time,.

Well, praise God.

Let's see, we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who says,

was there anything that you had to discover for the first time when you discovered the doctrines of

grace that were not specifically about soteriology, but about the Godhead,

and things like that?

Did you believe in the Trinity before, when you were still among the Hutterites, and the

deity of Christ, and his bodily resurrection, and things like that?

Well, amongst the Hutterites, I really...

Susan Margaret from Dauphin County, Pennsylvania wants to know, are you aware of whether or not your

parents and your sisters have ever heard you preach.

On a recording?

Really?

When it was...

Wow, praise God, but your dad did not come?

Yes, he did.

Yes, my mom and dad.

Oh, wow.

Well, praise God.

How about your sisters?

Was it one or two sisters?

I don't remember.

Two sisters.

Have either of them come?

Have they heard you?

They've heard me preach.

What has their reaction been, your parents and your sisters?

Sad to say.

Well, that's interesting, because it doesn't sound like the Hutterites are known for flourishing in

finances.

Yeah, but nowadays...

Oh,

okay.

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We are returning now to our discussion with Pastor Mike Kleinsasser of Grace

Life Church in Richmond Center, Wisconsin and his personal journey out from

the Hutterites into the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

And if you'd like to ask us a question, please send it in as quickly as possible because we're running out of time.

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We have an anonymous listener who says, I was never in any kind of

a church like yours, but I have been involved in very legalistic churches before.

The doctrines of Sovereign Grace rescued me, not only spiritually and salvifically,

but even mentally from the trauma of being pressured constantly

by overbearing authoritarian leaders and a system of salvation that was

nightmarish.

I was wondering if your family that have remained in the Hutterite community have

told you that they are convinced you are going to hell and that they have no hope for you, even though they've

heard you preach and hear your love for Christ and for all he has done for

you.

They have not specifically said that I will go.

Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York wants to know, have you heard of many others who have left the

Hutterites and have become brothers and sisters in Christ?

Is that to say there's a

Hutterite community?

Let's see here.

We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania,

and he says, do you intend to

make more repeated visits to the Hutterite community to evangelize them?

Yes.

I want to make sure before we go to any additional listener questions that you have at least

five minutes of uninterrupted time to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today

about your journey before we go off the air.

Well,

Convert,

those

of

you

that

love

Christ,

that want to love him more today than they did years ago,.

Sell out.

We don't have to worry.

Praise God, what an eloquent and moving and

obviously heartfelt appeal to our listeners

to come to the true and merciful and loving grace

of our sovereign Lord.

And I think it might be wise for us to also, just briefly in the

very short time that we have left, eradicate the misconceptions

or even the slanderous caricatures of what we believe.

There are many who are involved in works, righteousness, religions and cults and so on,

who wrongly say that we believe because salvation is all of God, they think

that that means that we are off the hook in regard to sin, that we can

live licentiously and even satanically for the entirety of our lives after coming to

Christ, allegedly, that

we don't have to worry about whether we're going to be in hell because

we have this one -way ticket that we have to heaven and

therefore we can live any way we choose.

But that is totally foreign, not only from the Bible, which is the most important thing, but it's totally foreign from the writings

of the greatest Reformed and Calvinistic preachers, teachers, scholars, authors and theologians

the world has ever known.

Am I right?

I cannot live like...

I live

like

I

want

to live

because

I

live

like how

I...

Amen, and we're out of time, brother, and I just want to make sure our listeners know that they can go to Facebook and

look up Grace Life Church of Richmond Center and that will take you to all the information that

you need for the Grace Life Church of Richmond Center, Wisconsin.

Well, thank you so much, brother.

Thank you, everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a

sinner.