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All right, we are back. Today is October 28th, Monday, Year of Our Lord 2024.
Happy birthday to my brother. Very special day for him. Matt Robles, happy birthday. I talk about you all the time on the channel, as you know, and he does watch my videos from time to time.
He's not that impressed with them, but he does watch them. But you guys, as the audience, hear me talk about my brother a lot.
It's his birthday today. Give him a nice happy birthday in the comments section. Big sports weekend this weekend.
It's been really, really, really fun. You know, the Yankees, they're just, unfortunately, the Yankees are just not good enough.
And, you know, like I said, I was kind of pulling for the Yankees, but now that they're losing, I just kind of want them to get swept and have it be over with.
I'm not a Yankee fan for sure, but I'm not against them. But, you know, it's just is what it is, right?
The Yankees are just not good enough. They've got two good hitters and then the rest of their lineup is just a complete waste and it's not good.
I don't know what else to say about that. They just, they just stink. For some reason, Aaron Judge, the best player on the planet, for whatever reason, can't play in the playoffs.
He just can't hit. He looks like a, he looks foolish out there. I don't understand it. Some players, they just can't do it in the playoffs.
And Aaron Judge, unfortunately, is one of them. He doesn't hit. They just can't win. It's simple as that.
Aaron Judge doesn't hit. They can't win. So I'm not feeling that great about that series. I just want it to be done with.
Four game sweep, just make it nice and clean. That's what we need. But, but then, and then also, you know, get close, you know, get to the offseason quicker, you know,
Soto becomes a Met. That'll be, that'll be, that'll be great. Then, of course, the Jets, man, the Jets are just comic, comically bad.
I mean, this is, this is very historic. I, this might be in the biggest, you know, failure of a season in any sport in history.
I mean, considering where the aspirations were, I was never fooled by this, but a lot of my
Jets fans, friends were like, oh yeah, you know, Superbowl, you know, we're, we're, we're primed for a Superbowl run.
And I'm like, don't you think you need to have a winning season first? Like, I don't know. We haven't even made the playoffs in 15 years.
You're talking Superbowl. I was never fooled by it, but I didn't think it would be this bad. This is, this is horrendous.
I couldn't, I like, I knew it wasn't going to work out. I didn't think we'd make the playoffs, but I didn't think it would be worse than last year.
Like, how could the team get worse with Aaron Rodgers playing? Somehow they're worse.
I don't understand it, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. And I think it's quite hilarious.
And one of my secret pleasures is I like to watch a Jets podcast and YouTube channels after losses because they're, they're complete, they're unhinged all the time.
And today was no exception. I got a lot of pleasure out of that. So it's been fun. It's been fun.
Today's video is about David Platt, and we're going to talk about some of the David Platt stuff in a little bit. But before we begin,
I did kind of pop over to the Eschatology Matters YouTube channel, which I'm a big fan of Eschatology Matters, so I'm not trying to throw any shade whatsoever.
But Tobias, Pastor Tobias, the guy that's involved in the fiasco, you know, the
Holocaust meme fiasco, he, he had his inaugural episode today. And when
I saw them announce the inaugural episode, it's about the Joel Webben and the Holocaust meme controversy, which
I thought was a little weird. Like, that seems like a weird inaugural episode. You think you'd probably want to choose something else, maybe, and then kind of work your way into it, you know, just warm up with some other things and then get into the, you know, eventually you have to talk about the
Joel Webben meme fiasco, I suppose. I mean, I don't really think you have to, but, you know, if you want to, you know, maybe ease your way into it.
Right. And so I, I text, I texted Joel. I was like, Joel, are you planning on watching this? And I'm not going to tell you what he said, but, cause
I wasn't, I wasn't planning on watching it. I wanted to see what he had to say. So I just popped over there just to see what was going on.
It was, it was live at the time, you know, I don't think it was live, but it was premiering at the time. Maybe it was live. If it was live, then this is even more funny, but I just popped into over there just to see what was going on in the chat.
And I kid you not, this is the, I say, what's up to the people in the chat.
And, uh, and, and I hear pastor Tobias, who I've never heard speak before. Um, he's got a great accent, you know, you gotta take them seriously, especially cause of that accent, you know what
I mean? Um, and this is what, this is what pastor Tobias is doing. Joel says, says, make some comment about how, um, you know,
Israel has like the largest, you know, gay, gay pride parade in the world or something like that.
And pastor Tobias, I kid you not, this is what he's doing.
He stops it. And he's in this, in the process he's in the, this is, I didn't see any other part of this video, so I don't know how long he was in this process, but it seemed like he was in the process of trying to prove that Joel Webben is actually some kind of, you know, uh, cryptic, you know, crypto, you know, undercover
Nazi or something like that, or, you know, whatever, like not, not like an overt Nazi, but like sort of undercover
Nazi. That's, that was the section that I randomly found myself in. And one of the proofs was that, um, that, you know, to say that the, that Israel has, uh, the largest gay, gay pride parade in the world is, uh, is antisemitic because they really don't.
And so he pulls out these numbers, you know, he's done his research and he says, well, you know, New York has a bigger one and, and Brazil has a bigger one.
And, you know, San Francisco has a bigger one. And, and he's, he's going through these numbers. Who knows where he got these numbers.
It makes no difference. This is ridiculous anyway. And he, and so, you know, so I guess Israel was like,
I don't know, 30th, 40th, who knows? Uh, but not a very high on the list is basically his point.
And so he said that that that's, that's more evidence that he is a, uh, some kind of, uh, undercover, you know, secret
Nazi. And, uh, that this, this, this Holocaust beamer, you know, learned how to be a
Holocaust memer because of Joel Webbins, Nazi tutelage. It's just too funny, man.
Well, I jump on, I jump on the live stream and it's, uh, they're quibbling about the numbers of pride parades and all that.
Who's the best in the world? I don't know. It's not Israel's. That's, that's how, you know, it's antisemitic. Oh boy.
Oh boy. Anyway. Uh, I'll tell you what though. I, I, you know, you can, I'm fact checking you right here.
Pastor Tobias, Israel is, uh, very full of homosexuals.
It's as simple as that. Oh man.
Anyway, we're not going to talk about that right now. I may actually do a video about that. I'm trying to think of how to do it because, uh, when
I, when I jumped into the live stream, they were already well over an hour and I'm not going to respond to the whole thing.
I just, I don't have the patience for that, but I may, uh, I may try to respond to the thrust of his, of his, um, analysis, let's just call it.
Uh, but I don't want to spend too much time on it. So I don't know if you think that would be helpful in the comment section.
Let me know. So I don't, I don't know if it's valuable or not, but whatever, whatever. So yeah, David Platt, let's, uh, let's, let's go into David Platt.
You know what, there's a few topics that I definitely want to cover and I got a lot of feedback on what they think
I should do about the David Platt stuff. And this is where I'm going to start because I think this is very applicable to lots of different contexts.
Um, and you know, one thing I was thinking too, uh, the, the whole, um, the whole scenario with, you know,
David Platt, you know, and the money, because that was a big part of the second part of this, this documentary, the money where they start to direct tithe money, uh, that used to go to various programs in the church and stuff like that.
They canceled a lot of those programs. And then a lot of the money instead would go to Southern Baptist, you know, the
Southern Baptist convention, you know, the cooperative fund, it would go to David Platt's personal ministry, radical.
And there was not a lot of, there was not a lot of transparency behind it. Not, not at all.
And the documentary does a really good job of, you know, showing people that tried to get, you know, financial transparency, like,
Hey, you know, we're tithing and you know, all this stuff, like where's the money go, you know, stuff like that. And they were just stonewalled again and again, and again, and again, there's just no transparency coming.
And then you find out, well, it's going to the Southern Baptist convention and it's going to radical and it's going to this and that. Um, it reminded me of, of the
Davey Scatino bust out. You're familiar with the Davey Castino bust out that that's what I think kind of happened here at, at, at, uh,
McLean Bible church. It was a bust out, you know, if you don't know what a bust out is, it's a classic, uh, mafia move, right?
And in the Sopranos Davey Scatino gets into debt with the mob. He's a degenerate gambler and he's, he's in a lot of debt with the mob.
He can't pay it back. And so what do they do? Well, they, they basically take over his business and they start running up the credit on the business.
You know, they order a thousand, you know, coolers and then they sell them on the street for three, but $3 a piece, you know, that kind of two, $3 a piece, you know, and they just make money that way.
They just run up credit on the store and then eventually it goes bankrupt and it's a bust out. You know, that's, that's how they get their money back.
Essentially. It's a bread and butter of the mafia. At least that's what I've been told. Allegedly, allegedly, at least that's what they say in the
Sopranos. That's a bust out. And yeah, this, this, the McLean Bible church thing really kind of strikes me as a bust out.
You know, you, you get your, uh, you get your guy in there, David Platt, and he basically squeezes as much juice from the, you know, blood from the rock as he possibly can.
And then, you know, it's an empty shell. And now all of a sudden God's calling me to the mission field. You know, a lot of people predict that that's the trajectory that this is going.
Uh, and it certainly doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility. That's for sure. You know, you, you suck them dry, you bleed them for a while.
And then when there's no more blood left to give, you move on. You know what I mean? It's a bust out the McLean bust out.
That's what this was in any case. Uh, but here's the section I wanted to cover. So, uh, let's, uh, let's, this just has to do with church discipline because in this documentary, uh, some of the members of the church get church disciplined, you know,
Matthew 18 style, things like that. And it, and it, and it's, it's really the people that opposed some of the things that David Platt was trying to do.
And they were going to vote, you know, you know, against it. And they were trying to mobilize the vote against it, you know, things like that.
And you know, congregational polity allows for this kind of stuff. It's not, in my opinion, it's not the greatest polity.
That's not really what this is about. A lot of churches are congregational. Um, but you know, if you bring politics into the church, it's going to be political.
You know what I mean? You got to mobilize the vote and you got to, you know, put out your, uh, your, your efforts to get the vote to go the way you want it to go.
That's how it goes. Um, and then the vote doesn't go the way Platt wants it to go. And all of a sudden they say,
Hey, we're going to vote again. That's, we need to do over. It's just too close to call. We need to do over.
That's basically what they say. And then they have a new vote, but this time they basically have a new vote and then they excommunicate tons of members.
So, and you know, of course it's the members that are going to vote against them, of course. And so they, they basically, you know, they scammed the, they scammed their own congregation to get the vote to go the way they wanted it to go.
But there's one couple here that gets excommunicated. And I wanted to just show you, um, what this was like and what this was all about, because this, this excommunication thing, the
Matthew 18 thing is something that is used so much with the
SBC and SBC adjacent people. Um, and it's Matthew 18. I mean, obviously you can excommunicate people, but let me just explain why it's not what you think it is.
On November 29th, 2021, Laura and I were allegedly trespassed and disfellowshipped by David Platt and his illegitimate elder board.
They stated in an email, the following dear Jeremiah and Laura, we have previously notified you of our desire to meet with you to discuss your persistent and public efforts against the leadership and body of Christ at MBC.
In light of your unwillingness to meet with us and out of concern for the spiritual health of our church fellowship, we are writing to inform you of the following in accord with God's word.
And in light of article five, section six of the MBC constitution, which states that members of this church who engage in conduct that is a reproach to Christ and a derogatory reflection on the reputation of his church shall be publicly dismissed from the church fellowship.
We are dismissing you from membership in our church fellowship effective immediately, and we'll be communicating this to our church fellowship appropriately.
We are taking this step after much prayer and with much sadness, as we sincerely desire your restoration to the church.
As we have previously communicated, we remain willing and open to meet with you to discuss these matters at any time, including discussion of the specific conduct that forms the basis for this separation from church fellowship.
Until that process is carried out and also effective immediately, you may no longer enter MBC property unless it is to attend a previously agreed upon and scheduled meeting with church leaders to pursue restoration in accordance with the
MBC constitution and Matthew 18. If you have any questions at all, we look forward to addressing those in personal meetings with you.
Sincerely, the MBC Board of Elders. Sounds pretty good, and it sounds very biblical.
It sounds very prayerful, and all of that kind of thing. You know, Matthew 18, you know, of course, that's the famous church discipline passage.
If your brother sins, you go to him privately. Maybe you can win your brother. If he doesn't listen, you bring somebody else.
Maybe he'll listen. If he doesn't listen to them, you bring it to the church, and if he doesn't listen to the church, then, well, you know, he's a tax collector to you.
He's an unbeliever, essentially, so you excommunicate him. Sounds pretty good, and the way they've worded this message, it sounds like they really did try, you know?
They tried, and you can't force someone to play a ball. Like, the most you can do is say, hey,
I'd like to meet with you to discuss some things I have against you. These are sins, and they actually don't even really call it sins in this email, which
I think is very interesting. They basically call it actions against the leadership of the church, which can, of course, be interpreted in so many different ways, but, okay, let's just give them the benefit of the doubt.
These are actual sins, right? They're calling them to repentance for actual sins because, obviously, opposing an elder candidate is not a sin, right?
Obviously, you know what I mean? That's why we have a congregational polity. Some people might oppose them, you know what
I mean? You know, wanting financial transparency and saying, hey, you should give us financial transparency is not a sin, obviously, right?
But there could be sins involved in those things, and so let's just give them the benefit of the doubt.
I know it's hard because this is the McLean Bible Church bust out, and you don't give the mafia the benefit of the doubt, but, you know, let's just give them the benefit of the doubt.
So, they tried to talk to him about these sins, and this couple refused to meet with them, and they tried over time.
They tried and kept refusing. What else can you do besides jump to excommunication, right?
If someone refuses to meet with you to discuss it, I mean, that's essentially them not listening to you.
That's right out of Matthew 18, right? They don't listen to you, and so now the next step is to bring it to the church and kick them out, basically.
They won't listen. They won't listen. What can you do? So, that all sounds pretty good, and they worded it in such a way, again, there's some ambiguity here.
They don't name specific sins in this letter, which I think would be appropriate. You know, if you're going to kick somebody out via a letter, you should name the sin.
Like, name the sin. It can't just be you opposed leadership. That's not a sin, but let's just say that they did name the sin, right?
They did. Give them the benefit of the doubt. This sounds like exactly what Matthew 18 is all about, right?
Yeah, it does. They talked about it. They quoted it. People quote Matthew 18 all the time, but let's keep listening.
The funniest part of the whole letter is that the elder board had never actually reached out to us, nor had they expressed any concerns at all whatsoever.
What they didn't like was that they were being exposed for their corruption, which I can totally understand. You know, in a situation like that, it's imperative that you silence the truth.
Funniest part of the letter is that they never reached out to us to meet, nor did they even say anything.
Now, they obviously didn't like being exposed. He understands that, but that's what,
I mean, that is what it is. I mean, heavy is the crown, right? Now, you might say, well, this is just his word.
Let's hear what they have to say, and you know what? Maybe they have some proof. Maybe they have some proof of another email that they sent, because obviously their email address works.
They got this email. Maybe they have some proof of another message that was sent or something like that.
You would think they'd have it in Discovery, but whatever. Maybe they have some proof. Okay, let's wait and see, right?
But I'm not holding my breath. I'll tell you that right now. This is in line with so much of what
I know about SBC leadership. They do this all the time.
I've got personal stories where this has happened to me, where somebody says, you're like a tax collector to me.
I've had Jared Wilson literally said those words. You're like a tax collector to me. So, he jumps to church discipline all the way to the end.
You're not even a believer. I'm not going to treat you like a believer. The whole time, I'm like, well, what did
I ever do? What have I done to you? I'd like to talk to you. I'd like to talk to you. In fact, in my situation,
I was going, hey, I'd like to talk about this. I'd like to have a one -on -one conversation. We could record it.
We could do a video. We could do a phone call. We could do whatever. Let's talk. Not a single conversation.
Not a single accusation. Not a single chance for us to have give and take.
Maybe you misunderstood this. Maybe I didn't. Maybe, you know, whatever. Nothing like that. Nothing.
I've had other examples too. This is just the first one I could think of. And of course, you know, I've talked about Jared before. This is what they do.
This is what they do. They excommunicate this way. They reference Matthew 18, but they don't do what
Matthew 18 says to do. They pretend to, but they don't. They pretend to, but they do.
In fact, I remember with my Jared Wilson situation, at one point, he says, we did talk.
And I'm like, I don't know. I think I'd remember that. You know what I mean? And what he was saying was, you know, he sent me an email once.
And like, or no, it was either an email or it could have, I don't want to say it was a tweet because I think it was a tweet.
He said, I tweeted at you once. It might've been an email though. It might've been an email. And I was like, yeah, the email was just full of accusations.
Like it wasn't a conversation. You just accused me of a bunch of stuff. Like, I want to talk to you.
We didn't talk. You, you ranted at me in a message. That's not the conversation.
So they reference Matthew 18, but they don't do what Matthew 18 tells you to do. And of course they'll reference it.
And they'll also use all the emotional language. It was after much prayer and heavy hearts that we have to do this.
Matthew 18, you didn't even talk to me. And it's all a bunch, it's fugazi. It's fugazi.
They reference it, but they don't do it. They know the scripture, but they don't do it.
They can teach it correctly, but they don't do it. There's somebody else that comes to mind about people who teach the right thing, but they don't actually do the right thing.
I, you know, I mean, I named my book after them. It's, it's, it's too much.
It's too much. And I'll, and I'll never forget this too. Like there was, there, there was all kinds of,
I remember my situation with Jared. He said he would talk to me, but he would only talk to me if I agreed that I was sinning, like if I was repenting.
So it was like, it was like the stipulation he put, he said, I will have a conversation with you only if you are, you know, are repentant and you agree with what
I'm saying. I'm like, I, but I don't agree. I don't think I'm sinning. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like the only way
I'll talk to you is if you, and that's actually kind of what they do here as well. They basically say, well, we'll, we'll talk, we'll, we'll only allow you on our premises if we're going to talk about your repentance.
And so what repentance, what sin has there been? You haven't told me. We haven't even talked about that.
They know the right thing, but they don't teach it. They know the right thing, but they don't teach it.
It's, this is a common tactic. You got to watch out for that. It's not enough for someone to ref reference
Matthew 18 and church discipline and stuff like that. They actually have to walk the walk.
This is, this is what happens. This happens in big mega churches like McLean Bible Church.
You know, where the money stakes are a little bit higher. And it also happens in small country churches as well, where maybe the stakes aren't quite that high, but it's still what needs to be done.
It's the right thing to do. I saw some people talking about how this documentary, a lot of people, the way that they're commenting on it was like, well, this is the problem with mega churches.
This is the problem with mega churches. And I'm like, I understand why they're, they're doing that. And they're not necessarily wrong, right?
This is a problem with mega churches. You know, the run like companies and stuff like that. And there's lots of money at stake and stuff like that.
And the mega church just kind of ramps up the profile and ramps up the, the, like the stakes.
But this is not a mega church problem. This is an every church problem. Small churches are run this way too.
Small churches are torn apart in this way too. You know what I mean?
And, and it's, it's a shame because, you know, if, if, if, if, if one church just decides we're, we're going to, maybe we'll reference
Matthew 18, but we're not going to do it. You know what I mean? We'll put it in the letter, but we're actually not going to ever give you an opportunity to talk about this.
We're just going to pretend like we did and you didn't want to, and now you're excommunicated. Like this, this happens everywhere.
This is not a mega church thing. It really isn't the mega church. You know, part of this is that yeah, millions of dollars were in play here, right?
And at the local level, the smaller church level, it's not going to be millions of dollars at play, but here at McLean, we're talking millions of dollars that were, that were busted out in, in the
McLean Bible church bust out. It's as simple as that. They got their ounce of blood.
They got their pound of flesh. And maybe at the smaller church level, it's going to be a couple ounces.
You know what I mean? But this happens all the time. This happens all the time. And Matthew 18, like you, you actually, you have to meticulously follow it.
You have to, I remember in my situation where I was, uh, where I resigned as pastor of the church, my co, my co pastor, um, you know, he, he suddenly kind of blindsided me with this, the problem that he had with my content and stuff like that.
And I remember telling him, I remember saying, okay, well, and I, and, and, and he was like ready to quit and stuff like that.
He wanted to blow up the church because he couldn't pastor with me anymore because I was making this, you know, anti -woke church content.
And I remember looking at him and saying, dude, slow down, slow down.
We have a word from God on this. It's not just, we have to figure this out on our own. You know what
I mean? It's not just, we disagree. And then, and he tried to spiritualize it too, just like they did in that letter. This is our
Paul and Barnabas moments. We cannot do ministry together. We must support it.
It's good for the good of the gospel. And I'm like, dude, slow down, slow down. We've got a word from the
Lord on this. Let's do what it says. Let's get some people together. We can't figure this out on our own.
Look, I say one thing, you say the other, okay, I'm willing to say I might be wrong.
Are you willing to say you might be wrong? He said, I mean, I kind of shamed him into it.
He said, yes, let's get other people together. Let's get the families of the church together. Let's get a third party.
Who's not at our church, someone we both trust. And I even let him pick. I said, you pick who that third party is and let's talk about this and figure this one out.
Let's do what Matthew 18 says that you need to do. Let's bring in other people. So whoever's wrong, let them listen to them.
He agreed. And the rest is history. Of course, we did that. And of course, every person to every man that was there, everyone, it wasn't a vote.
It was literally unanimous said, oh, old AD Robles is right. Even his handpicked third party.
Yeah, AD Robles is right. He's not sinning. That's what happened. And then, of course, he disagreed anyway.
He refused to go along with Matthew 18. He won't listen to the other people and blew up the church anyway.
Matthew 18 isn't just in there for fun. You know what I mean? That's the thing. It's not just in there for fun. It's because we are fallible people.
We don't always see things the way they are. You either believe Matthew 18 or you don't believe
Matthew 18. If Matthew 18 and the church comes and they say that you're wrong, listen to the freaking church.
Listen to them. This guy wouldn't blow up the church because of it. And this is a micro church.
Our church was a micro church. It wasn't a mega church. We had a handful of families.
We didn't have a million dollar budgets. We had small budgets. This is not a mega church problem.
This blows up churches, whether they have thousands of members or they have a hundred members or tens of members.
This is something you all have to get right. There's not a ton of instruction for what the church needs to do in the
Bible, but there is some. There's some. And those small things, like God doesn't burden us with a thousand rules.
He gives us a handful. There's a handful. It's enough that we can get our hands around it and do it.
This Matthew 18 thing is a real big thing. It really is. And so, you know, and maybe we'll watch more of this, but this is now undercover camera footage because he allegedly gets excommunicated.
And he's like, this wasn't legitimate. Like they didn't even talk to me. I don't even know what sins I'm talking about. I'm going to the next meeting.
So he went to the next meeting, ends up getting arrested, or I don't know if he got arrested, but he got detained and went to court.
And of course the judge dismissed it because it's insane, obviously. But this, this camera footage is very interesting.
And even Joe Carter shows his face in this camera footage. I've talked to Joe Carter personally before he apologized to me.
Actually, I'll give, I'll give him credit for that. At one point he said I was an anti -Semite because imagine that he said it was an anti -Semite.
One time he said I was an anti -Semite because I refused to like denounce some other anti -Semite or something.
And it turns out that I had had this guy blocked for like years. So of course I didn't see the tweets that he's talking about, but that was enough proof for Joe Carter.
Definitely not a fed Joe Carter. It was enough proof for him to call me an anti -Semite, but he did apologize for it.
So that was nice. That was nice. But in any case, that's all