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Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Open Air Theology. I'm one of the co -hosts.

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My name is Jeff and I am a pastor elder at Covenant Reformed Baptist Church here in Tullahoma, Tennessee.

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Excuse me for my brain being all cloudy. We just got done with a big conference. If you're ever in Tullahoma, Tennessee, please come and check out

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Covenant Reformed Baptist Church Tullahoma. I'm going to pass it over to my co -host. Yeah, Braden Patterson.

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I pastor a small church in southern Idaho in Hagerman called Valley Baptist Church. If you are near, it'd be a blessing to see you and worship our triune

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God with you. I also have a YouTube channel called Reformed Ex -Mormon and it's a blessing to be a co -host along with Jeff and Haps.

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Haps is not able to make it on tonight just due to some other circumstances, unfortunately.

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But I'm going to pass it down to my brother in Christ, the apologetic dog, and he's going to catch it right there.

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Thanks so much, Braden. Jeff, my name is Jeremiah Nortier and I serve as a pastor and elder at Twelve Five Church in Jonesboro, Arkansas.

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So if you're in the northeast Arkansas area or in Arkansas land, come check us out. You can find us at twelvefivechurch .com.

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We have a new building, an exciting time. The Lord has been blessing us and we just want to be faithful with little or much, just however the

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Lord sees fit. And I also run an apologetics ministry at the Apologetic Dog YouTube channel.

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And my heart is just ultimately to contend for the gospel of grace. All right.

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Well, if y 'all haven't checked out his YouTube channel, be sure to go do that. That's actually how I caught wind of him.

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He was debating some churches of Christ. Really, really good debater. So please go check out the

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Apologetic Dog, especially if you follow us, you need to be following him. So, Jeremiah, what in the world are you doing on Open Air Theology?

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You ready for this smoke? I don't know. I got a little smoke coming from my mug. I don't know if this is enough or anything.

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Thanks for having me on, Jeff. Yeah, man. And so we just got done with the second conference, the

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Why Calvinism Conference. If y 'all can check that out, this is the bulletin that we had made for it.

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My wife kind of took the range on that and it looks really good. And so I had an amazing time.

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Like, you know, everything about it. I mean, you know, as someone who is, you know, kind of, you know, in charge of some things and, you know, all in all, with the stress that goes on with putting the conference on and stuff like that,

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I had an absolute amazing time. It was amazing, amazing speakers, man.

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I mean, the messages were so good. The fellowship was good. I want to take a second real quick before you dive into it real deep, is to thank some people.

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Of course, I want to thank my co -elder, Pastor Cal, for everything that he does, his family, and my wife.

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I don't know if I would be able to accomplish anything without them on my side.

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And hopefully after this conference, they're going to be even more on my side, right? They got to experience it in such a way.

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And I think that they see the vision. See, a lot of times, like I tell people all the time, I'm a visionary. Like I see something and I go for it, but it's really hard to get people to see the vision with me, right?

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And so I want to thank them. I want to thank the church that I pastor at, everyone who volunteered, so many people stepped up.

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I'm thinking of our deacon, Josh, and then Scott and his wife, and everyone there that just stepped up.

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The Pastor Cal's kids, they helped out so much. And I want to thank the speakers.

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You, Jeremiah, I want to thank you. You stepped in after we had a counselation. You stepped up.

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I'll talk a little bit more about that. And I'll thank everyone that came out and supported what we're doing.

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There's really no good way, an honorable way to say thank you. I really don't know how to do it, but just to say, hey, thank you.

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I really appreciate everybody. And I hope that y 'all will continue to support us. We got some big news coming up in the future, things that we're trying to accomplish with Open Air Theology, trying to grow the platform in such a way that we can be a blessing to those who follow our content.

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Brayden, you got anything you want to say? Yeah, I would. Let me thank you, Brayden. I want to thank you. I want to thank

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Haps. You're welcome. I was going to say something. No, brother. I have to echo everything that you said.

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The people of your church last year, this year, it's been a blessing just to see a united body that is seeking to glorify

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God through a vision that their pastor has, not a prophetic vision, but a

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Zaire Joseph Smith heretic. No. I would really encourage.

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I was blessed to have everyone come, and I would really encourage you to keep on looking out and really keep on participating and sharing things.

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It really means a lot. I think, I don't know. It's one of those things we're not trying to do this to get a platform or to try to get people to watch it.

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We're really trying to glorify Christ and help identify the saints out there. And that's something I really appreciate about Jeff and Haps is that they just have a heart for God.

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It's a huge blessing. So thoughts on the conference.

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Let's talk about it. Let's ask that first. What did each one of you guys preach on? So I got to say real quick,

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I had a blast. The whole conference where I got to meet everybody, got to see y 'all in person. I met,

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I guess, Jeff, I met you first at the last G3 conference just a handful of months ago.

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So it was good getting to see you again. And got to speak at the pre -conference.

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And Jeff, I was so ready for the pre -conference. I had my notes ready by February 1st.

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And then Jeff calls me and was like, hey, we have a cancellation. Can you be ready to fill in Tom Buck's place?

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And I'm like, yeah, let's do it. What's my topic on? No, but I told

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Jeff if he never needed any help, if something like that happened, I would try to be ready at a moment's notice.

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What's the Bible verse? Be ready in season and out of season. So Jeff, it was a huge honor to be able to speak two times and just be a part of the documentary.

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And as we continue to develop our conversation, I have some cool stories along the way to fill y 'all in on.

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Now what was the question that you asked, Brayden? I just asked what did each one of us preach on. I think that would be maybe a good thing to answer first.

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So Jeff, what was your topic that was assigned to you? Yes, so my topic was the

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Calvinism of Jesus. And the way that I went towards that topic was looking at John chapter 3, verse 21.

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And I don't have a Bible around me. All those Bibles. All those

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Bibles. I don't have one in arms reach. Okay. Well, I normally have my

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Bible right here with me. I don't know what happened. But John 3, verse 21. Here, I can pull it up on my phone real quick.

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That's bad. I got my phone with me, but not my Bible. That doesn't sound too

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Reformed to me. You're the Bible man. I first found out about you,

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Jeff, with your Bible rebinding ministry. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, so John chapter 3, verse 21 says,

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But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God or by God.

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And so I wanted to look at what the work is that is carried out in God. And so the context teaches its faith, its belief, right?

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It's to believe. And so my angle here for the Calvinism of Jesus is

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I believe that Jesus, as well as Paul and all the other writers of the

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Bible, it's that faith proceeds. I mean, that regeneration precedes faith, right?

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And so I showed how in regeneration, three things take place. The grace, and in grace, we've received the forgiveness of sins.

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We're made clean. We're given the heart of stone.

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The heart of self -righteousness is removed, and we're given a heart of faith. And in that faith, we're able to believe.

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And through our believing, we receive the Holy Spirit. And although I break that down as if I'm chopping it up, but it all works in unison.

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And so I wanted to show that Jesus taught that regeneration precedes faith.

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And I think I accomplished the purpose. I went back and listened to the message, and I walked away thinking, if I was 10 years old,

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I would understand that regeneration precedes faith. And I think that's what I always try to do with my messages.

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I'm pretty dumb, and I was able to understand it. So you did a good job. Thank you. Jeremiah, what was your topic that you preached on, brother?

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So in the main conference, I preached on Calvinism and tribulation. And I remember thinking,

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Jeff, why do we have to say tribulation? Because everybody's going to be thinking about the great tribulation and the rapture and eschatology.

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So I was able to bring clarity of saying we're talking about affliction. So really we're talking about the sovereignty of God in suffering.

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And with only about a week and a half worth of notice, I was being prayerful about what passage to really ground the fact that suffering is for God's glory and for our good.

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It's to strengthen our faith. And Braden, I was thinking about a number of different places, but where I kept going back to was that thorn in Paul's flesh.

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And we read a very interesting verse that it was given to him. It was sovereignly bestowed upon Paul by God.

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And so a lot of the commentaries that I read, I loved this phrase that paradoxically this thorn was a gift from God and a goad from Satan.

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And so that was the passage I was able to preach on and just really be able to dive deeper into that context where Paul understood and his weaknesses, that's when

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Christ was most magnified in his life. Amen. Yeah. And I think a lot of people built on that message of yours because there was several times where people were referencing

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Job and suffering. And so I really, truly appreciated your message as well.

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Thanks, brother. What was your message? Mine was Calvinism in both the old covenants to the new covenant.

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So I had quite the swath of text to cover. So my main text was

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Hebrews chapter 8, verses 8 through 12, or Jeremiah 31, 31 through 34, which is the Old Testament quotation.

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In Hebrews, of course. My hope was because I really do think, and this is something

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I noticed in Leighton Flowers, his live that he did. At our show or in his hotel, he said something along the lines of saying that he noticed that all the

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Calvinists there were reading their Calvinist into their eschatology or into their ecclesiology. And he didn't listen to my message.

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He wasn't there. And I really hope he listens to it because my argument is that I'm not a Calvinist because that's my main doctrine.

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I'm a Calvinist because I believe in covenant theology. And from that naturally flows confessional

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Calvinism. And so that's what my whole mission was, was to show that this is consistent within covenants.

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This is the framework that God gives. And here we see it come to fulfillment in the new covenant, and we have it right then and there.

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So that was my goal. I hope it happened. And so anyway. So what were you going to say,

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Jeremiah? I was just going to add real quick. What's interesting is I love how you grounded it in covenant theology because I have a backdoor way of how

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I came to Calvinism and covenant theology. As you can see, the Johnny Mac's back there.

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I came to Calvinism first from being in a Southern Baptist church, which, by the way, I love my Southern Baptist brothers, come out of the

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SBC, still praying for the SBC and all the fronts that they're warring on. But I came to Calvinism first in a dispensational mindset, which, you know, dispensational theology, even though we don't agree,

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I think when it's trying to be built on the

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Scriptures, then you can have a Johnny Mac understanding of the entirety of Scripture and be

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Orthodox. You know what I mean? So anyway, that's where I come from. But I always had trouble with trying to reconcile the absolute sovereignty of God and Calvinism with a dispensational theology.

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And, Brayden, I'll tell you what kind of started breaking that down for me is understanding unconditional election because I think what's built within that doctrine is covenant, right?

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But dispensational theology kind of has these two people groups. And so you're trying to look at two different people, and yet there's one elect of God, and it's because it's covenantal.

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God is in covenant relationship with a called -out people by His grace. So for me,

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I came to covenant theology later and started seeing the beauty. Yeah, that's really the story of all of us unless you were raised in a

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Reformed Baptist or a Presbyterian church, right? Like I cut my teeth on John Hagee and Jack Banopy and Perry Stone, right?

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And they're dispensationalists, especially concerning the end times. But, yeah, like once I discovered covenant theology,

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I definitely rejected the Westminster form, classical covenant theology, and I would consider myself not necessarily a dispensationalist, but I didn't know.

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To be honest with you, I didn't have a home because I didn't know what, you know. Well, I think

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I fall more under the leaky dispensation of Johnny Mac, but I knew that it was a bucket that really couldn't hold much water.

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Like it had hose in it. But once I discover Baptist covenant theology,

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Federalist, 1689 Federalist, like it just all made sense.

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And I was like, this is it. And I dove in and, man, it's been probably the greatest study in my

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Christian life, right? Getting to know and understand what our forefathers in the

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Baptist faith taught and believed and rediscovering these things. And it made me understand that when

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I opened my Bible to study it, I need to open it to study it with Baptist covenant theology framework.

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And I hate that we have to put a denominational heading on it, such as Baptist, whatever.

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But that's the name. It's like Calvinism, right? A spade is a spade.

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Yeah, a spade is a spade. I'm not a Calvinist because of John Calvin. I'm a Calvinist because Jesus was a

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Calvinist, if that's what you want to call it, right? Hallelujah. I'm back. Yeah.

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So here's a question, and I'm not trying to be, you know, I'm just trying to, you know, because there was a lot of messages.

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I think Hap's message made me really happy, right?

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Hap's message made me happy because I was worried about Hap's because he had a lot of stuff on his plate over the last two weeks.

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You know, he spoke for me at church, and he's been teaching Sunday school, and I was, you know, and, of course, he's a member of my church, and so I feel like I need to cuddle him sometimes.

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And so his message that he preached, I think he did a very good job, and, man, like it just thrilled me once he was done.

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I was like, man, that was really good. But Sam Waldron, like some things that Sam Waldron pointed out, man, like I don't know if you ever watched

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UFC, but the UFC commentary table, like if somebody gets knocked out or something, you know, and they'll kind of like show a video of them, and they're all like freaking out and stuff like that.

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And Braden and myself was sitting beside each other, and Sam Waldron would throw these softball, like just he would just say something.

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They'd say, you know, we're just kind of like biting each other, and it just reminded me of that, like something. He like labeled

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Calvinism a way that I want to start using it, and it was confessional Calvinism. Yeah.

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Like that is good. That is good. And so I just want to point, like, what are, you know, it might not just be one person, but what are some of the things that you heard a speaker say that you're not going to forget and you probably are going to add to your arsenal?

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I really appreciated Michael Schultz. Did I say his name right? Yep. I loved how he was talking about the

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Calvinism in love or God's love in Calvinism, reminding us that, yes, we hold to doctrines of predestination,

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God's sovereign, even through reprobation, but we have to understand the heart of God is a heart of love.

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It's a holy love. It's a just love, and I loved how he challenged everybody with the rich young ruler to say, hey,

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Jesus loved the rich young ruler. He left sad. There's no evidence of repentance. I disagree personally with A .W.

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Pink. A .W. Pink thought that maybe he was elect. There's just nothing about that in the text that would let us see that other than someone that's this is what

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I took away with Michael Schultz. We don't see a name to the rich young ruler, and yet he represents the best earthly fleshly version of ourselves, meaning he's young, he's wealthy, and he's a good moral person in the world's eyes.

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I mean, he's the pinnacle of what we could achieve in terms of earthly possessions, and yet that's every one of us.

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He's the best version of it, and he falls short. So I really liked that, and I liked how he emphasized no matter what your

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Calvinism is, because there are perversions of Calvinism. There is what we would look at maybe a high

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Calvinist that needs to be checked a little bit. I'm all for the absolute sovereignty of God in all things, but we need to have in there

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God loves people. We understand common grace. Some Calvinists don't like that term.

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They'll appeal to general mercy. I think A .W. Pink was one of those. And it's like, hey, we might need to chill out a little bit.

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And was it Schultz that was just saying don't be a jerk or something? Don't be a jerk. Yeah, that's what

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I would take away from it. Yeah, he needs to be memed saying that.

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I mean, when you look at him, he doesn't seem the type that would tell you not to be a jerk. Right.

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What about you, Brydon? What's something that someone said that stuck out to you?

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So I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about Schultz. I agree with what you said, Jeff, regarding Haps.

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Look, when he preached a whole hour, I just was like, dude. And he knocked it out of the park too.

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It was a good message. And I was like, dude, good job. I was really happy to see that. I think right now

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I'm preaching through the book of Job. And so what Jeremiah said really resonated with a lot of the things that I have going on in the background at my own local body.

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And I think we could look at that even in our own personal lives. So I think that was really encouraging. Schultz, yeah, that was a much -needed call to repentance to everybody in there.

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Don't be a jerk, right? And, you know, I said this earlier, but like an observation that I've seen on both sides of the road, whether you're a

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Calvinist or you're a Provisionist, Arminianist, whatever you are, you get into your social medias and you're a jerk.

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Like there's people out there that just are obnoxious. And I think that's because we are living in the day where we have people that are claiming to be theologians, which, good, go study

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God's word, be a theologian. But these are the people that were raised on Xbox that could say you're mom and all these kind of things without having any type of repercussion.

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You could be ignorant, arrogant, prideful, boastful, and there was nothing that would happen to you about that. And so I think that's what we see today is that kind of attitude of,

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I can say whatever I want and I can get a reaction. And that's what's feeding what I'm, the reason

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I'm saying, and that's on, like I said, both sides of the camp. So I really did appreciate Schultz on what he said there. But I, you know,

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Waldron, man, Waldron was like the Conor McGregor of the conference.

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And look, if he heard me say that, I don't think he would like it, but it's a fact.

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He came out swinging with these theologians like, oh my goodness. And like I say that in a little bit of a funny tone, right, of course.

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But like he had airtight reasoning with everything he was saying, things I had never really thought of.

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A more excellent way. Yeah. Yeah. For the freedom, freedom of God. And yet he can't sin.

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It would be against his nature. And we don't say that God is limited in his, in his free will. What about those that are in heaven?

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Glorified. Yeah. Those that are in heaven have a perfect free will. And yet they don't choose to sin.

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Yeah. And then he brought up origin and how that was heretical, how he would say that they could fall. Like it was phenomenal.

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So I was greatly blessed about that. And I really, I valued the way the conference was set up that day the most.

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And the reason I say that is I didn't see the structure until that day. So like with Jeremiah going after all the history, it set up a lot of the stuff that would be talked about the rest of the time.

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Then you have the wrath of love. And then on the third day, look, Jeff, you are one smart guy.

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But God predestined it. I was telling a story. Everything that I do, I tell a story.

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That's right. And if you notice the topics have to do with some of the straw man arguments that, that were, you know, that that's brought against us.

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And so if you're listening today on this podcast and you, and you have these arguments against Calvinism, I would challenge you to just go and listen to the very first message to the last message.

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And I'm almost 100 % sure that your questions are going to be answered.

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Can I do a shameless book plug? Sure. Now this is deep. This would be a good followup to Waldron's sermon.

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This is written by a French shout out to John Calvin, French theologian Guillaume beyond.

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He wrote a book called excusing sinners and blaming God. And so it's just deep into the philosophy.

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It maybe is a little out of focus, but I just want to recommend people because this is on the doctrine of compatibilism.

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So this is kind of the systematic theology that sustains Calvinism and has to be covenantal in its framework.

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But it's the verse that many of us quoted, you know, Genesis 50 verse 20, what Joseph's brothers meant for evil,

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God meant for good. And so compatibilism affirms that God makes choices in man makes choices, but they're not the same, right?

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God's eternal choice and man's is of a temporal choice. And so it's

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God's eternal choice that grounds man's temporal, albeit maybe sinful choices, gives it meaning and purpose.

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And so compatibilism is what we would say is a soft determinism, a divine determinism.

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That's not fatalistic. It's the exact opposite. It's, it's saying that no, there God has absolute sovereignty in whatever comes to pass in his world and gives it meaning and purpose.

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And they're compatible unless you do what the flower patch kids do and unificates

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God's will and man's will. And when they're one of the same, then you do have these gaping problems that ultimately man has powers that can thwart

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God in an ultimate sense. So anyway, uh, Guillaume Biong, you can look him up.

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That book is kind of a deep dive into reconciling, you know, the sovereignty of God, harmonizing with the responsibility of man.

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That's good. Yeah. And so someone asked earlier, so let me go ahead and answer.

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They asked when all the videos are going to drop and they're going to be dropping 9 a .m.

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Central standard time tomorrow morning. So Friday morning. I will say that the first two videos there's, there's something going on with the camera for some reason has like this little square box around the face.

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And then the audio isn't it. You can hear, but it, it, it doesn't sound professional.

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I'll go ahead and throw that out there. We only had one day before the conference to get in there to kind of see what we had going on for us.

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And so now we have a better knowledge of what we need. And so next year I'm going again,

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I'm going to be trying, if I cannot raise the money, I'm going to figure out a way out of my own pocket to buy everything that we need for sound quality and probably get some more cameras for different angles.

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So this is just our second conference. It's our first conference that's not in our church.

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And we only had one day a day ahead before we can go in and see what everything's looks like.

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And so please be patient with us. If you see this and you think it's not G3 quality, no, it's not because we don't have

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G3 money, right? But we are going, we are working toward a goal and to get better equipment, but the messages will be posted.

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They're already downloaded. They're on my YouTube channel. They're scheduled to post 9 a .m.

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tomorrow. And that's central standard time. So there's another question in the chat.

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I believe one of y 'all maybe answered it. We were asked if there's any good introductory material on covenant theology.

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I want to give another book plug, The Kingdom of God by Jeffrey Johnson. Yeah, Jeffrey Johnson is the man.

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Fantastic. And if you look up, it may be on sermon audio or you can go to the church that he pastors at Grace Bible College or not.

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That's the college that he's at. But is it Grace Bible? Is that the church that he pastors? Anyway, if you look up, he has a whole sermon series on covenant theology and he goes all through the major covenants and it's fantastic.

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There is two guys who are working on writing a covenant theology. Oh yeah. I mean,

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I know one of them fairly well. Yeah, we got to tweak some of those, Jeff, some of those points, though.

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I don't know about that. I'm ready to debate them points. As y 'all know,

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Braden Patterson and myself are working on one. And I think once it comes out, if you can still hold to classical covenant theology,

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I don't know what to say about you. I just, I don't get it. Or if you're a dispensationalist, you just, you didn't read the book.

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Yeah, like both of them, right? It's just like, you know, you are where you're at because of tradition, not because of scripture.

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That's what I would say. And that might piss some people off. But again, it is what it is, right?

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People don't worry about my feelings. So one of the books that was at the conference was Reformed Baptist Manifesto by Sam Waldron and Richard Barcelos.

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Great book. I highly recommend that one. The Mystery of Christ, His Covenant, His Kingdom by Samuel Ranahan.

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Great book. Read that one. And that's honestly, that's where I think a lot of my sermon prep for that conference came from, was from those two books.

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And then also what Jeff and I are studying and putting together. Have you read the Jeffrey Johnson stuff?

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I haven't. See, I didn't read it. Do you know who Jeffrey Johnson is? Yeah, I do know who Jeffrey Johnson is.

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I haven't read this book, though. Hey, I interviewed Dr. Jeffrey on his book,

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The Five Points of All Millennialism, and it was awesome. I got to watch that.

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Yeah, you really need to watch it. I plan on getting the book. All right, so let's see.

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Let's talk about, okay, we talked about some good things. We talked about what we got from the masses, some good things that happened.

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But let's talk about some of the bad things that took place. So I was trying to eat, right?

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I'm sitting here. I'm biting into a sandwich, all right? Listen, you don't mess with a trailer park kid when he's trying to eat, all right?

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And someone came in and interrupted my feast. Jeremiah, would you know who that is? I do.

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What happened? Let me explain things from my vantage point, all right? So Dr.

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White's doing the whole debate thing, getting ready to just lay the jack camera, you know? And so I'm in the back with some of the men from 12 -5.

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We're just loving everything, Jeff. Love the conference beginning to end. And I see somebody with a camera on a tripod.

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And I'm like, this knucklehead really thinks he's about to get away with that. Like he knows better.

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I'll let you name drop if you want to. Yeah. Kevin Thompson? Yep. His YouTube channel is

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Beyond the Fundamentals. The YouTube tough guy? Yep.

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That's who it is. And I don't want to be super negative, but let me say this.

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Like I went right up to Layton Flowers, shook his hand, took a selfie with him. Genuinely kind person, you know what

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I mean? Yeah. Disagree with him? I consider him a critical thinker. Like there's videos I've watched over the years.

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I'm like, I'm not sure how I'd answer that. And so in a lot of ways, I've been pushed by Layton Flowers.

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And I look back, and I'm very appreciative of that. And I let him know that. And he told me I was one of the kindest

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Calvinists he's met. And I was like, yes. But with this other fellow, it's not the same vibe.

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The first thing that he said when I shook his hand was, yeah, we got Calvinists. Bingo. We're going to be waiting for Dr. White to say the same old, same old.

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And I'm like, all right. I'm done talking. You know what I mean? So he's filming on,

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I think, a live stream to do Calvinist bingo with his crowd of people. And so I have to get up and get some more coffee anyway.

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I'm like, I'm going to double check with Jeff to make sure he's aware. And so you're chowing down.

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And I walk over. And I'm trying to think of the first thing I said. Hey, you know the Kevin guy? You're like, yeah, that's the guy that was supposed to debate

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Dr. White but is too big of a hassle, blah, blah. And I'm like, is it okay if he's filming the whole thing live?

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Because, you know, he's posted up with the tripod. And what did you say, Jeff? You're going, you're kidding. I don't mess around.

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And you get up and laugh this ass. And I'm like, I'm going to give that a few minutes. I'm going to use the restroom, get some coffee.

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I'm going to come in a few minutes behind that. So I come in. He's sitting like this. He's not filming anymore.

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Like, I'm thinking, oh, man. So I went over to my good friend Adam Carmichael. And I said, hey, did

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I miss anything? He goes, yeah, Jeff busted in here and told Kevin to turn it all off. And he goes, you missed it.

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I said, who do you think told Jeff? And he goes, it was you. So, yeah, that was kind of wild.

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Yeah, yeah. So Manny Jones just said, I didn't know this. He said he tried charging money for his live feed.

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Oh, Jeff. I'll tell you what. Listen, I'm going to tell you right now.

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The guy's a thief, right? When I walked over to him,

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I said, hey, you cannot live stream in here. Cut it off. And he said, yes, sir.

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And he cut it off. And I tell people all the time, listen, I'm a Christian, but don't push me. You know what

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I'm saying? I mean, let's just be real, right? Like, I'm not your every average day

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Christian. Like, I don't play, right? I mean, I'm not going to put my hands on nobody or anything like that.

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But don't come up in my house thinking that you're running things, dude. That's our platform.

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And he comes in there and starts live streaming our platform, stuff that we're trying to grow.

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And then I tell him to shut it off. He cannot live stream. And then I go and look at his Facebook page afterwards.

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And he's got, like, close to 50 ,000 views on that 40 -minute video. And so I comment and said, you need to take this off.

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This belongs to Open Air Theology. And then he was still trying to keep it up and argue. He was still being a jerk on that, yeah.

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Listen, he's a thief. He does not love the law of God. I'm not trying to kick him out of the kingdom.

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I just don't think he's a brother. Well, let's be honest right here. He kicks us out of the kingdom. So listen to this.

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So Manny Jones just said he did dot, dot, dot on X. You had to pay if you wanted to watch it on his

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Twitter side of things. So he wasn't just live streaming it to YouTube. Apparently he was live streaming it to Twitter, which

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I don't know how. I'm not on Twitter. I don't know how that works. But this guy, I watched his video that he did prior to the day of the debate where he said that we're just in a video game or, like, a

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Jumanji game. Jumanji game. And he then said that Blatant Flowers was in this game, too.

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So it seems that he's, like, look, if you're a King James Version Oleus, you're already crazy enough to be saying some really stupid things.

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And now you're doing some stupid things. And that was not good at all.

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Like, who does that? Like, you don't go into a conference. You don't go into a debate recording something, let alone putting up a paywall for someone to have.

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Like, that is thievery on that. Like, you didn't set this up.

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You didn't pay for the speakers to be able to be housed. You didn't put in all this back work for this to take place.

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And then you're going to come in here. And I would echo what you said, Jeremiah, about his demeanor towards you when you talked to him.

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He seemed super prideful and arrogant. Like, here is Latent Flowers, a brother I highly disagree with.

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He's loving, kind, demonstrating the fruit of the spirit. And I think he would echo that.

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So were all the Calvinists in there from the videos I've seen. And then you have this

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Kevin beyond the fundamentals that's just being a jerk.

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Let me quote Michael Schultz. Don't be a jerk. Yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know what, you know. Like, I know I don't. I'm not a very, very intelligent guy.

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Right? I know this. And I don't. I really try to stay in my lane. I try to stay in my wheelhouse.

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But he gets on these YouTube channels, and he dogs us, and he runs his mouth.

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And I really, truly wanted to do something with him. Like, when he first got there,

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I shook his hand. I said, I hope we're able to do something in the future. But let me tell you something.

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If he was to buy a ticket to any other conference I do, he's immediately getting refunded.

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And if I see him in the building of anything that I do, he is immediately getting escorted.

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Period. And, Kevin, if you watch this, brother, if you think

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I'm playing, please show up at the next one. You will be escorted out.

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I don't know what Jumanji game you're in, but it's real life here in Tennessee. Yeah, I don't play. Like, ask around.

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Like, literally, I have PTSD. Things are not great up here, okay? Like, it's not.

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And I'm not going to play. I don't believe he's a brother.

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You know, like, all jokes aside, I don't believe he's a brother. And he's an accuser of the brethren.

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He's a liar, and he's a thief. He hates God's law. Which, again, if he's kicking us out of the kingdom for secondary items like Calvinism, and he is demonstrating behavior that is consistent with an unconverted man, we are to take some of them based off their fruit.

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And there is not God -glorifying fruit there. No, definitely isn't. So we have big news to announce.

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Are y 'all ready? What's the news? Now, it may be a little early. I get that.

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But we just want everyone to have this in your mind, because we are having another conference next

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February, and the subject is going to be on Brayden? I forgot already.

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I think I need to be sanctified. You need to work on your sanctification. Ah, well, then

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I know where I need to go next year. Yeah. Go ahead, Jeff. Go ahead,

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Jeff. Sanctification. Sanctification. See, look at that. I just handed that one right over to you.

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It works perfectly. Now, this is a big topic for the church, right? Brayden, you might want to explain how big this is for the church and how you are a member of the church.

40:48

Somebody put Bigfoot. It caught your eyes. I knew it. I actually wanted that conference, but I'm afraid no

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Christians will come. You want to explain to them how much we need a conference on,

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I'll just say Bigfoot. Sanctification. That's so bad.

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You know, like, so we are sitting around talking about, like, what we are going to be doing next year, right?

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What is the church need, right? Because here we did, from Shadows of Substance, a blessed topic, one that we didn't see anybody else really doing a conference on.

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Why Calvinism? I don't think anyone's done as hardcore of a Calvinistic conference as what we just did.

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So a really basic, fundamental theological position. And now one thing that we were talking about is what the church needs right now is to continue to be conformed to the image of Christ, and that's sanctification.

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And so that's going to be the next year's conference is we want to see the bride of Christ from different denominations, from different.

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Look, while maybe on the why Calvinism, maybe you thought to yourself, I'm not a five -point

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Calvinist, or maybe I'm an Arminianist. Maybe I can't go to this conference, which I discourage that thinking you should have came because it was you would have learned stuff and it would have been a blessing.

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This is a conference that should be anybody and everybody that professes to know

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Christ will want to come to this. It should edify you. It should help build you. It should advance

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God's kingdom in that way. Yeah, and I also want to give credit to where credit is due. Tom Shepard.

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He came to this conference. He drove a long way. He came as an attender, but he was able to hang out with us speakers.

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He stayed in the same house that we stayed in, and he brought this topic to us, and he laid out some messages that could be preached there.

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He actually laid out 12 messages. I'm definitely keeping some, but I went through and kind of reorganized it a bit and changed some stuff here and there.

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Just a wonderful brother. I learned so much about him and from him, and through that,

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Braden thought that we need to have him, Tom Shepard, come and speak.

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Yeah, most definitely. This man is an evangelist. This man tells people about Christ daily and is strategizing how he can do it better.

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Just a faithful brother. Yeah, it was a blessing sitting down and hanging out with him.

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He's definitely going to be a speaker at next year's conference. Tom Shepard, everyone. He's a mighty man in Christ.

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Yeah, so if you don't know him, I would say get to know him. We'll probably have him on the Open Earth Theology Show.

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I don't know if he has the ability to jump on something like this, but if he does, it'd be good to have him.

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We'll probably have him fairly soon and just have a conversation. But other than that, so that's one of the big announcements.

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Another big announcement is that Open Earth Theology is working to expand.

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We're about to get our 501c3. We're actually trying to make something out of this because we have put on two conferences.

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And in the last two conferences that we have put on, everything has had to go through our church's hands.

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Sometimes it can be hard the way everything's set up in the bank accounts to figure out what money is

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Open Earth Theology and what money belongs to the church. Without my wife's help,

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I wouldn't be able to figure any of that stuff out. So we're going to be working on getting

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Open Earth Theology 501c3, making it more legit, and we're going to try to be doing a lot more with that.

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Now, with that said, I would say it wouldn't be too long from now where we're going to be trying to do a whole lot more stuff as well.

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So I won't give out too much information. Just be able to look out for it. And also, if you have the ability to support something like what we're doing, if you like what we're doing, if you have the ability to support us, again, we're going to need different kinds of equipment, such as new microphones and just new cameras.

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When you watch the debate and you watch the videos tomorrow, you'll see that there's things that we need.

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It's things that our little bitty church doesn't need, but we need these things to put on big conferences.

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And as far as the church, we don't have a whole lot coming in.

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I do not receive a paycheck from the church. I pastor totally free. I don't receive any income from the church.

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So we're small, and if you're able to help in any way, we would appreciate that.

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My wife just gave me something to read. Can we read this? Yeah. Yeah.

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Says I have an update. OK. OK. You have updated.

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Yeah. OK. OK. OK. So on our website there.

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So we need people to click on our website. So so our website was having trouble with our website. So apparently someone might have got on our website and reported it as spam.

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And so we've been having a lot of trouble with people getting on our website. And I think it's somebody that just doesn't like Calvinism.

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And so they're just being mean. And so they reported it. And so a lot of the ticket sales we had to do through Eventbrite.

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And so my wife has just updated the website. So we're hoping there is no issues.

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And so if you can click on OpenAireTheology .com.

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And like right now, if someone could click on that and tell me if they're having any issues getting on it. But on there, we're going to have contact information.

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I'm probably ask people to try to get on the Web site to contact us if they cannot. OK. Yeah, that's it.

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So it's working for me. I just pull it up and I'm able to get on my list. OK. It's got links to the playlist and to the debate on the

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Web site. Yeah. Sweet. And the new graphic for the next year's conference.

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And the new graphic for next year's conference. I'm going to be posting that graphic tomorrow. But you can get a sneak peek at that graphic by going to OpenAireTheology .com.

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Speaking of frustrations this year, I don't know if we should say anything about this. I'm frustrated about it.

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So I want to I want to voice this. You want to know how many times I had to change that graphic? Not just that one, but like every single one that we did,

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I had to change it like 30 times. Well, you know what? Because people said they wanted to speak and ended up backing out.

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I ain't going to name any names. Look, you gave the job of having to use hands to the guy with small hands.

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And that's a messed up dog. That's like going against a disability, like telling a person in a wheelchair to climb up stairs.

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That's just messed up, Jeff. So no, it was unfortunate.

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There's several speakers that were unable to to that we had lined up that were not able to make it for one reason or another.

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So definitely we're praying for those individuals in the different areas that we could. And just trying to take it the take the punches as we as we could.

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It was it was hard. And like Jeremiah, like you had to preach to two messages and you had.

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Right. Look, ready in and out of season. That's the picture of it right there. So also another announcement.

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We are going to have a pre conference again next year. This pre. So next year's pre conference will be on evangelism.

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And so the plan is, is we'll have a two or three messages on evangelism as the pre conference.

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And then we're going to try to end it a little bit early on Saturday. And then

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Saturday after the main conference for anyone who was at the pre conference or anyone else that wants to.

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We're going to go out in the streets and evangelize. So that's the plan for next year.

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Can we get can we get dibs on some of those topics for next year? Well, I'm going to announce all the topics.

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Yeah, we're still working on it. I know some. I mean, but the list has changed.

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That list has changed. Yeah. So so and again, it might change again. So right now

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I have the nature of sanctification, the role of the Holy Spirit in sanctification.

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The difference between justification and sanctification. The primary means of grace.

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The secondary means of grace. Overcoming sin.

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The law and gospel. Living by faith. Positional versus experiential sanctification.

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Sanctification in the new covenant. The work of the law and sanctification and sovereignty in sanctification.

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So that's what I got down at the moment. And I'm just going to say a little bit.

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I'm just going to say right now I'm either doing the new covenant and sanctification or sovereignty and sanctification.

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Those two are mine. I'm just I already said it. Raiden wants me to do positional versus experiential sanctification.

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I would either like to do that one or the law and gospel or even living by faith. So either six, seven or eight.

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But I remember which one I would like to do. I think you told me. I think you you told me sanctification in the new covenant.

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Now, the difference between justification and sanctification. I like to do a lot of shameless book plugs in this.

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So a part of my evangelistic outreach apologetic at the apologetic dog is the church of Christ.

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And so this book is Christ rescued me from the church of Christ. And so, Jeff, you and I have spent many hours talking about how to war against the perverted gospel of the

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COC. And what I see is they conflate justification and sanctification.

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So that's the heart of this. Their misunderstanding of the gospel. They mock terms like Sola Fide.

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They never can say it right. They say solidified. And I'm like, not even close. But we're justified by faith alone and justified faith always produces works of sanctification.

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And so to me, those are the proper categories. Like Dr. White said on the question answer panel, that justification and sanctification can't be separated.

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But they can be and they must be distinguished a little bit of that. Like you'll maybe preach on next time is you got positional sanctification and then you have progressive sanctification.

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But my point is, that's at the heart of the gospel of grace is how are we declared right and justified before God?

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And how does sanctification relate to that? So that falls kind of in my wheelhouse in the sense that that's been a huge apologetics when reaching out to the church of Christ.

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Yeah. Yeah, that is a very good one. It's definitely one that I thought needed to be on the list.

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In a moment, I have a really interesting story I want to share with y 'all and the people that maybe were at G3 at White Calvinism.

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I say you do it now, brother. Let's hear it. Let's hit it. OK, so Dr. White is one of my, you know, somebody

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I look up to, one of the heroes of the faith. When people ask me, you know, who is really influential in your life?

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And I'm always like, well, Johnny Mac is kind of number one because he really impressed upon me the love for the word of God.

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Right. And then R .C. Sproul. You see, I got the truth we confess. Excellent commentary that, you know, him and, you know, he was certainly influenced by John Gershner.

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Shout out to Brandon Wood. I think he might be out there to my Presby bros. But R .C.

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Sproul had a love for church history that I see as being invaluable. And Dr. White has kind of taken the best of both worlds and use not only the word of God and history for apologetics.

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So anyway, it's just incredible to, you know, I've seen Dr. White debate in person. So, you know, he's debating this guy,

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Jason Breda. Was that right? Breda or Breda? I've been saying Breda.

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I think it's Breda. I've been saying Breda. That Breda though. So we knew this was going to be an interesting,

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I want to say showdown, but we know some of the background information that went into this debate, like Jason, I think he picked one of Dr.

54:48

White's videos or was just kind of trying to piece apart certain points of Calvinism. Anyway, it made its way on the dividing line.

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You know what I mean? And Jeff, when you told me that this Jason guy was going to be the guy, I was like, oh, no.

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Like, does this guy understand what's about to happen? You know, and so we're like, hey, if he wants to get his name out there, that's definitely one way of doing it.

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So anyway, really looking forward to the debate part of the event. And so, you know, Dr. White gave a fantastic opening statement.

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I remember him talking about the Trinitarian harmony in Jesus's perfect work of not only dying for the elect, but resurrecting for the elect and continues as a perfect high priest to intercede for the elect.

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So that's Romans 8 and then, you know, a big portion of the book of Hebrews. And he doesn't have notes, right?

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This is just flowing from the man's heart, right? So what's interesting is opening statement number two from Jason.

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He says something just wild, and we'll maybe get in that here in a moment.

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I plan on doing a review of the debate maybe tomorrow with a good brother, David Lewis. So we're going to be kind of hashing some of these things out.

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But I'll go ahead and talk a little bit about Jason makes the weird point that Romans 8, the golden chain of redemption is for Jews.

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Jews only. Well, that's the thing that was kind of left hanging is he's saying only

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Jews and God is a perfect high priest for the Jews, somehow different than the Gentiles.

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And I remember Dr. White in his rebuttal was like, you better soften your stance, bring clarity or you're a heretic.

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And I remember thinking, oh, boy. Right. And so, of course, Jason comes back on his rebuttal and he softens his stance.

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He doesn't dig his heels in. Praise the good Lord, because that would be a heretical stance to have such a different plan of salvation for the

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Jews and the Gentiles. So that's a lot, you know, both opening statements, both rebuttals.

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And, you know, we're all ready for the cross. And so Keith Foskey is like, hey, everybody, you know, take a 15 minute intermission.

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Stretch your legs. Don't harass the debaters, whatever you do. Right. So we're all stand up, kind of chatting.

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And Dr. White walks to the front of the stage and he points out my direction.

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Right. And he says, Jeremiah. And I'm over here like I look behind me. I was like me and everybody's kind of look at me.

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He goes, yes, come here. What is going on? And so I walk straight to the front of the stage with Dr.

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White and he looks at me as just serious as a heart attack. He goes, am I dreaming up there or am

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I really hearing what Jason's saying? I put my hand on his shoulder. I start laughing. I said,

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Dr. White, you're not dreaming. We're all here in the same craziness that you're hearing up there. And you know how

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Dr. White is, you know, anime. He's like, where does he where where is he getting this information?

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And I said, I know exactly where he's getting this argument from. And I kind of point over my shoulder to Leighton Flowers.

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I said, he's getting this argument directly from Leighton. I said, I listened to an interview that he was having with David Paulman, who's a classical

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Armenian. They were talking about the golden chain of redemption and classical Armenians. They look at the those whom he foreknew, they read kind of the simple foreknowledge argument.

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He chooses based on who he foresees to choose him. Right. That's the classical Armenian approach.

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And I remember Leighton was like, yeah, I really think that's talking about the patriarchs of old.

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And I told I told that to Dr. White briefly. And I was like, even the classical Armenian was like, yeah,

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I don't think that's a good angle to take. You know what I mean? And I said, so that's where Jason's getting all of his arguments from, is you hear the provisional language.

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And Dr. White looked at me and said, you're kidding me. And I was like, no. So y 'all appreciate this.

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So as we're discussing that, I say, Dr. White, I just want you to know we're praying for you. But I want you to know

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I as much as I respect someone to step on a debate stage and boldly say what they believe convictionally.

58:55

I said this gentleman, I do not. I said he's brought so much confusion to the

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Trinitarian harmony of God's plan of redemption. I get that we have disagreements. I was like, but he is undermining everything that we hold near and dear.

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And he is bringing tons of confusion. Nobody knows what he is trying to do. If anything, he's casting doubt on the clarity of God's word.

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So I told Dr. White, I said, he did this to himself. I really hope you don't hold back and you expose this for everything it's worth.

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So I just felt like I was revving that engine, you know, being being the hype man for Dr.

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White. He goes, oh, this is not going to be a good cross examination. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

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And I just I tried to tell Dr. White, please, please expose that for everything it's worth.

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And so that's where we kind of parted ways. But I look back and I'm like, Dr. White called me out of the crowd to check his sanity, to make sure he was hearing everything correctly.

59:54

Major day, huh? I was like, oh, my goodness. There's something else about the debate that you didn't mention.

01:00:03

Jason Breida's rebuttal was just a second opening statement.

01:00:09

Yeah, it was. He did not rebut anything said by Dr. White. Right. You're not supposed to have.

01:00:17

I don't know for anyone that might not know this, but in a debate, you, you know, you come with your opening statement prewritten.

01:00:25

You don't come with a prewritten rebuttal in the rebuttal. You are to listen to your opponent, your opponent's opening statement and maybe jot down some notes, some some key points that your opponent made.

01:00:37

And maybe, you know, a little like a phrase of how you're going to refute it.

01:00:44

And then you get up there and you do your best in that moment. That's not what happened.

01:00:50

He prewritten written his debate. And so to me, I felt, you know, like so.

01:00:57

So I didn't know. So. Whenever the debate started, so I was the last one to preach.

01:01:04

I cannot eat before I preach. And so when the debate started, I left to go get some food when

01:01:10

I was rudely interrupted by Jeremiah. And so and then after I got done eating,

01:01:15

I made sure to stay in there so I didn't catch his rebuttal. So when I went there and told Kevin to put down the camera, it was at the very end of the rebuttal.

01:01:24

But everyone was telling me that that he didn't really rebut. And so when I watched the video,

01:01:30

I believe it was yesterday or the day before. I was a little angry if I'm if I'm being honest, because I feel like he didn't do what he told me he was going to do.

01:01:39

And that was to come and debate. And in a debate, you have an open statement and you have a rebuttal.

01:01:45

He did not rebut. And so I don't know how y 'all feel about stuff like that.

01:01:50

But but that kind of it kind of aggravated me. It's frustrating when you put into work into something and then it's like, oh, man, like that wasn't like I'll be honest with you.

01:01:59

Last year with the Thomas Ross gentleman, I felt that way after that one. So I was like, dude,

01:02:04

I didn't say that was like that was I think I'm done with debates. I'm gonna be honest with you.

01:02:10

The debates are the hardest thing to set up to set up.

01:02:16

Yeah, because there's always problems on the other side like that. Just these outrageous things that they want.

01:02:23

So so last year, Thomas Ross, he had two hundred and fifty slides.

01:02:28

And so and I didn't know that he needed anything to to post this slide zone until the day before the debate.

01:02:35

And so I ended up buying TVs. Yeah, I was trying to find a way for him to do this.

01:02:41

And I ended up having to go spend my own money to buy two big giant TV so we can do this for him.

01:02:47

And he gets up there and he talks. Remember in the early 90s, you had that, you know, those little

01:02:53

Hot Wheels. But there are micro machines like these little small cars.

01:02:58

I don't know if anybody's as old as I am. I know Braden wasn't born till I was 16. So he doesn't know anything about it. But there's this guy.

01:03:04

He is YouTube. Right. The micro machine guy. And he talks really fast.

01:03:11

Almost like tongue. You need an interpreter for this guy. Well, that's how Thomas Ross talked, talked.

01:03:18

And so I was upset because Thomas talked so fast and so many slides. I really worked my butt off trying to get that debate going.

01:03:24

And then this one, like trying to organize everything. It's really tough and not to have the rebuttal.

01:03:32

Man, I was really upset. And so I'm probably going to move forward with not having a debate. If Braden wants a debate,

01:03:39

I'm going to say, brother. Ho the reins. You know, we need to figure it out.

01:03:45

We need to call up Marlon Wilson. And that's right. So he was wanting to come this year.

01:03:51

He would have to he would have to he would have to figure everything out. It might be good to actually if we did want to do a debate again, it might be good to actually put him over that to get that set up and say, hey, you're going to be the moderator.

01:04:04

That's a good idea, Jeremiah. We got to look into that. I did want to say, though, I think I think this goes to show that this is why confessional

01:04:13

Calvinism is so important. If you make a distinction between Jew and Gentile as two different people of God, that what

01:04:22

I would argue, that's what Jason was trying to read into a text that did not.

01:04:28

Oh, his dispositionalism came into it. That's what it was, dude, because if you if you believe that there's two distinct people of God, what what what hermeneutical principle tells you to stop reading that into the text?

01:04:43

There's not really one. Right. And so like that's that's the scary part when it comes to that.

01:04:48

I think I think that was a very much of a dispensational byproduct that he was trying to use to refute Calvinism, which, again, my argument is that covenant theology is the stem that's great.

01:05:00

It was nourishment to the tulip petals. So salvation through eternal mediation.

01:05:06

I'm going to say that just because I wanted to get caught. I wanted to catch on salvation through eternal mediation. I agree with whether it catches on or not.

01:05:14

We just got to save enough time. That was something I took away was your stem acronym. We were talking about that, how that is truly the backbone, the sovereignty of God.

01:05:24

And that's where I tell people, y 'all rebuke me if y 'all need to a little bit. But what I think saves dispensational theology a little bit,

01:05:32

I mean, it's as a whole, it's bunk. But if they're a Calvinistic dispensational, they they hold to the you unconditional election in somewhere in seed form.

01:05:42

There's covenant there, whether they realize it or not. But I do think that's the bridge in which you can expand more on this elect people that God is calling out.

01:05:51

God, the father perfectly elects for the son to perfectly redeem and for the Holy Spirit to perfectly regenerate and seal.

01:05:58

I was going to say, you know, me and Jeff talked about potential.

01:06:03

If we did go the debate route of, you know, Marlon wanted to maybe, you know, let's continue that conversation.

01:06:09

What would be a good debate topic in light of sanctification? And Jeff had a really good idea. What about a debate revolving around somebody thinking you can lose your salvation?

01:06:19

Right, because we have a strong sense in which we it's not just the saints are persevering, but the saints are being preserved by the

01:06:29

Holy Spirit's work. That's why we don't think we have a Trinitarian grip around our salvation.

01:06:34

That's why we believe those who are truly justified, truly called will be glorified all the past tense because it's the sovereign work of God.

01:06:44

I was thinking maybe of doing sinless perfection. Yeah, it would be harder to find someone in that in that area who would want to debate.

01:06:55

But again, man, I mean, like most of all my stress from both of these conferences has come from the debate.

01:07:04

OK, here's the thing. You don't worry about it. We will take care of it. We'll get Marlon on it. Well, I seriously think we'll have to talk about it because I mean, yeah,

01:07:13

I mean, I mean, for one, because like time, it takes two hours, two and a half hours for a debate.

01:07:19

I got a big chunk of time. And so we just have to, you know, either make our days longer, which

01:07:28

I really enjoy the fellowship that we can have. So if we have a debate, we would have to, you know, like like especially next year, if we plan on going out and doing some evangelism afterwards to kind of connect with our pre conference, like it's going to be really hard to have a debate and be able to do that as well.

01:07:46

We just have to figure it out. One good thing about the debate is I tell people this is the closest thing to combat sports in the world of scholastic and theological discussion.

01:07:58

Like the biggest day was revolving around the debate. So there is a draw for that, which

01:08:04

I like. And I like your idea of having some different plans for Saturday. So potentially maybe the debate would be a good

01:08:10

Friday night event. I think it would draw a lot of people. Yeah, maybe we can just have it like a part of the debate, but but separate.

01:08:18

Like if you want to stay, stay. But, you know, we'll figure it out.

01:08:25

Oh, yeah. Also, there's going to be a women's session next year.

01:08:32

What is it? A breakfast? Yeah. So so if you're a woman and you come next year, they're going to have breakfast at the church at our church that will be catered.

01:08:44

That means the conference will be starting later. But that's also the day that we plan on going to some kind of a restaurant and setting up cameras and for the guys to have a royal rumble, a theological royal rumble.

01:09:00

So it was happening everywhere we went. Yeah. Like when we were at the restaurant and I was thinking, man, it's really loud in here and they brought us our food and we stopped to pray and you can hear a pin drop.

01:09:14

I was like, oh, where are the noise? Where are the noise? One of my favorite parts of the whole conference was we sat down and we were sitting down at that steakhouse, right?

01:09:24

Whiskey trail. And I just ordered a drink. Right. And Mormon missionaries walked by.

01:09:32

I'm like, Jeff, hold my beer. And then went out and chased them and did some evangelism.

01:09:38

That was fun. So it'll be good if we if we if we have a definite section of that. Yeah. I mean, how great would it be to have 40, 50, even 100 people to go out in the streets of Tallahoma and witness?

01:09:51

Yeah. So Brian just chimed in. So, Brian, this is what I was going to talk to you about earlier, brother, is we have the pre -conference on that Wednesday.

01:10:00

And then Saturday after the conference is over, those who want to, especially those a part of the pre -conference, we go out and hit the streets doing evangelism, whether one on one, open air.

01:10:12

Well, we start in the open air and that usually causes people to to come over and have conversation.

01:10:18

So we we we can put into practice what we learn Wednesday. And Brian will be one of the speakers in that, if I'm not mistaken, his his ministry, his open air ministry will will be a part of hosting that event.

01:10:38

Anything else, gentlemen, before we get up here? I got to prepare a sermon.

01:10:43

I'm working on my sermon. I want to quickly say I enjoyed also the pre -conference.

01:10:49

Thank you for letting me speak with Dr. White on the dangers of hyper -preterism. You said

01:10:54

Dr. White, Frost. Sorry, Dr. Frost. He kicked your butt. Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:01

He's like, well, I'm not a reformed Baptist. Well, he was such a blessing, too. He was so wonderful to hang out with.

01:11:07

Sorry. Go ahead, Gerald. I don't know. Well, I've only I've so I've done a lot of collaboration with Dr.

01:11:13

Frost through YouTube, and he played such a big role in my understanding of eschatology and understanding the weird nuances of hyper -preterism.

01:11:25

Because and I shared this in my lecture that I'll be coming out is the pre -conference coming out tomorrow also.

01:11:32

Yeah, it'll be out. Everything will be out. Everything will be out tomorrow. Well, I go into how

01:11:37

I was able to contact him because I had a good friend in the ministry telling me basically,

01:11:43

Jeremiah, I think I'm a heretic. I'm starting to embrace embrace full preterism. And I broke my heart because I'm like, that's a big no, no.

01:11:49

Like, I don't know a whole lot when it comes to eschatology, but I know that ain't good. And so, Dr. Frost, I was able to contact and he was kind of like,

01:11:58

Jeremiah, I'm really trying to get out of the scene. I'm like, nope, we need you now more than ever. And he eventually was like, you're right.

01:12:04

I need to be a voice in those spheres. So he was able to give an hour presentation, just kind of what he went through, what he lived, what he experienced.

01:12:13

He didn't mind to name drop at all. And so I got to give roughly an hour presentation on how we can exegetically know with certainty.

01:12:22

First Corinthians 15 talks about how the parousia, the second coming of Christ, the resurrection of the dead and the restoration of all things cannot possibly have already happened because the last enemy death will be destroyed.

01:12:35

And that's going to happen at the end, the end of this age. So to me, that's that's the I got so much time and preparation to prepare that,

01:12:45

Jeff. And so that was an honor to be able to do that with him and to see Dr.

01:12:50

Frost again. I got to see him back at in September, back at the eschatology matters conference. And that was the first time we got to meet in person.

01:12:57

So it was good to see him again. We had a good time. I really appreciated his fellowship and his knowledge on that, on that, on that issue.

01:13:07

You know, it's like I was telling you all that, you know, when it comes to the issue of full preterism, it's very attractive because it seems to answer a lot of questions surface level.

01:13:18

But once you dive into it and you realize the implications of it, like you see firsthand how how it it it moves you away from Christ.

01:13:33

Right. If the doctrine that you hold to doesn't deepen your relationship with Christ, something is wrong.

01:13:40

That that that subject, that theolog that anti theological view, let's say, has pushed more people away from the church than than it has brought people to the church.

01:13:54

I like to say that TBN has made more atheists than than secular colleges. Right. Because people watch

01:14:00

TV and think that that's authentic Christianity. And it's not. Well, if this if this movement, this this anti theological intellectual movement continues.

01:14:12

It's going to be doing the same thing because people are going to be sucked into this this wormhole.

01:14:17

They're not going to be able to come out. They're going to lose their their love for Christ and especially for the church.

01:14:25

And so it's very, very dangerous. And if we have to, if it continues to grow, we'll have a bigger conference on it and and knock it out the park.

01:14:37

So, yeah, that's all I got for tonight. Well, again,

01:14:42

I got to I got to get to the I got to open the book. Thanks for letting me on my sermon. Anybody that is curious, please go check out the apologetic dog and subscribe.

01:14:52

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01:15:21

Well, any last words, Brayden? Oh, it's a blessing. Always talk with you, fellas.

01:15:26

And to have I mean, I met Jeremiah for the first time. I met Jeff for the second time.

01:15:31

And it's instant brotherhood in Christ. It was I mean, hugs of love and being called small hands by everyone.

01:15:40

Right. I got to I got to start working on my mustache game, man. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. I'm telling you, it's it's the it's the way we're going to distinguish from the

01:15:48

Presbyterians. Look, I'm telling you right now. Come on. Get them mustaches going.

01:15:54

Jeremiah, thanks for coming on, Brayden. Always a pleasure, brother. Yeah. Everyone else. Hallelujah.