Overview of the “Why Calvinism Conference” an announcement and more

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Making Reformation great again. You can say what you want. You can say what you want, but you won't around me. You can say what you want. You can say what you want, but you won't around me. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Open Air Theology.

I'm one of the co-hosts. My name is Jeff. And I am a pastor, elder, in Covenant Reformed Baptist Church here in Tullahoma, Tennessee. Excuse me for my brain being all cloudy. We just got done with a big conference.

So if you're ever in Tullahoma, Tennessee, please come and check out Tullahoma. Excuse me, Reformed Covenant Reformed Baptist Church, Tullahoma. I'm going to pass it over to my co-host.

Yeah, Braden Patterson. I pastor a small church in southern Idaho in Hagerman called Valley Baptist Church. If you are near, it'd be a blessing to see and worship our triune God with you. I also have a YouTube channel called Reformed Ex-Mormon, and it's a blessing to be a co-host along with Jeff and Haps.

Haps is not able to make it on tonight just due to some other circumstances, unfortunately. But I'm going to pass it down to my brother in Christ, the apologetic dog, and he's going to catch it right there.

Thanks so much, Braden. And Jeff, my name is Jeremiah Nortier, and I serve as a pastor and elder at Twelve Five Church in Jonesboro, Arkansas. So if you're in the northeast Arkansas area or in Arkansas land, come check us out.

You can find us at twelvefivechurch .com. We have a new building, an exciting time. The Lord has been blessing us, and we just want to be faithful with little or much, just however the Lord sees fit. And I also run an apologetics ministry at the Apologetic Dog YouTube channel, and my heart is just ultimately to contend for the gospel of grace.

All right. Well, if y 'all haven't checked out his YouTube channel, be sure to go do that. That's actually how I caught wind of him. He was debating some churches of Christ, a really, really good debater.

So please go check out the Apologetic Dog. Especially if you follow us, you need to be following him. So, Jeremiah, what in the world are you doing on Open Air Theology? You ready for this smoke?

I don't know. I got a little smoke coming from my mug. I don't know if it's good or anything.

Thanks for having me on, Jeff. Yeah, man. And so we just got done with the second conference, the Why Calvinism conference. If y 'all can check that out, this is the bulletin that we had made for it. My wife kind of took the range on that and it looks really good.

And so I had an amazing time. Like, you know, everything about it. As someone who is kind of in charge of some things and all in all, with the stress that goes on with putting the conference on and stuff like that, I had an absolute amazing time.

It was amazing, amazing speakers, man. The messages were so good. The fellowship was good. I want to take a second real quick before we dive into it real deep is to thank some people. Of course, I want to thank my co-elder, Pastor Cal, for everything that he does, his family, and my wife.

I don't know if I would be able to accomplish anything without them on my side. And hopefully after this conference, they're going to be even more on my side. They got to experience it in such a way. And I think that they see the vision.

See, a lot of times, like I tell people all the time, I'm a visionary. Like I see something and I go for it, but it's really hard to get people to see the vision with me, right? And so I want to thank them.

I want to thank the church that I pastor at, everyone who volunteered. So many people stepped up. I'm thinking of our deacon, Josh, and then Scott and his wife, and everyone there that just stepped up.

The Pastor Cal's kids, they helped out so much. And I want to thank the speakers. You, Jeremiah, I want to thank you. You stepped in after we had a counselation. You stepped up. I'll talk a little bit more about that.

Thank everyone that came out and supported what we're doing. There's really no good way, like an honorable way to say thank you, but I really don't know how to do it, but just to say, hey, thank you. I really appreciate everybody.

And I hope that y 'all will continue to support us. We've got some big news coming up in the future, things that we're trying to accomplish with Open Air Theology, trying to grow the platform in such a way that we can be a blessing to those who follow our content.

Brayden, you got anything you want to say?

Let me thank you, Brayden. I want to thank you. I want to thank Haps. I'm sorry about that. I was going to say something, but no, brother. I have to echo everything that you said. The people of your church last year, this year, it's been a blessing just to see a united body that is seeking to glorify God through a vision that their pastor has, not a prophetic vision, but a Zaire Joseph Smith heretic.

No. I would really encourage. I was a blessing to have everyone come, and I would really encourage you to keep on looking out and really keep on participating and sharing things. It really means a lot.

I think, I don't know, it's one of those things. We're not trying to do this to get a platform or to try to get people to watch it. We're really trying to glorify Christ and help edify the saints out there.

And that's something I really appreciate about Jeff and Haps, is that they just have a heart for God. And it's a huge blessing. So thoughts on the conference?

Let's talk about it. Let's ask that first. What did each one of you guys preach on? So I got to say real quick, I had a blast the whole conference. I got to meet everybody, got to see you all in person.

I met, I guess, Jeff, I met you first at the last G3 conference just a handful of months ago. So it was good getting to see you again. And got to speak at the pre-conference. And Jeff, I was so ready for the pre-conference.

I had my notes ready by February 1st. And then Jeff calls me and was like, hey, we have a cancellation. Can you be ready to fill in Tom Buck's place? And I'm like, yeah, let's do it. What's my topic on?

No, but I told Jeff if he never needed any help, if something like that happened, I would try to be ready at a moment's notice. What's the Bible verse? Be ready in season and out of season. So Jeff, it was a huge honor to be able to speak two times and just be a part of the documentary.

And as we continue to develop our conversation, I have some cool stories along the way to fill you all in on.

Now what was the question that you asked, Brayden?

I just asked what did each one of us preach on. I think that would be maybe a good thing to answer first. So Jeff, what was your topic that was assigned to you?

Yes, so my topic was the Calvinism of Jesus. And the way that I went towards that topic was looking at John chapter 3 verse 21. And I don't have a Bible around me. All those Bibles. What? All those Bibles.

I don't have one in arms reach. Okay. Okay. Well, I normally have my Bible right here with me. I don't know what happened. But John 3, 21. Here, I can pull it up on my phone real quick. That's bad. I got my phone with me but not my Bible.

That doesn't sound too Reformed to me.

You're the Bible man. You're the... I first found out about you, Jeff, with your Bible rebinding ministry.

Oh yeah, yeah. So John chapter 3 verse 21 says, But whoever does what is true comes to the light so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God or by God. And so I wanted to look at what the work is that is carried out in God.

And so the context teaches its faith, its belief, right? It's to believe. And so my angle here for the Calvinism of Jesus is I believe that Jesus, as well as Paul and all the other writers of the Bible, it's that faith proceeds.

I mean that regeneration proceeds faith, right? And so I showed how in regeneration three things take place. The grace, and in grace we've received the forgiveness of sins. We're made clean. We're given the heart of stone.

The heart of self-righteousness is removed and we're given a heart of faith. And in that faith we're able to believe. And through our believing we receive the Holy Spirit. And although I break that down as if I'm chopping it up, but it all works in unison.

And so I wanted to show that Jesus taught that regeneration proceeds faith. And I think I accomplished the purpose. I went back and listened to the message, and I walked away thinking, if I was 10 years old, I would understand that regeneration proceeds faith.

And I think that's what I always try to do with my messages.

I'm pretty dumb, and I was able to understand it. So you did a good job. Thank you. Jeremiah, what was your topic that you preached on, brother?

So in the main conference I preached on Calvinism and tribulation. And I remember thinking, Jeff, why do we have to say tribulation? Because everybody's going to be thinking about the great tribulation and the rapture and eschatology.

So I was able to bring clarity of saying we're talking about affliction. So really we're talking about the sovereignty of God in suffering. And with only about a week and a half worth of notice, I was being prayerful about what passage to really ground the fact that suffering is for God's glory and for our good.

It's to strengthen our faith. And Braden, I was thinking about a number of different places, but where I kept going back to was that thorn in Paul's flesh. And we read a very interesting verse that it was given to him.

It was sovereignly bestowed upon Paul by God. And so a lot of the commentaries that I read, I loved this phrase that paradoxically this thorn was a gift from God and a goad from Satan. And so that was the passage I was able to preach on and just really be able to dive deeper into that context where Paul understood in his weaknesses, that's when Christ was most magnified in his life.

Amen. Yeah. And I think a lot of people built on that message of yours because there was several times where people were referencing Job and suffering. And so I really thoroughly appreciated your message as well.

Thanks, brother. Yeah. What was your message? Mine was Calvinism in both the old covenants to the new covenant. So I had quite the swath of text to cover. So my main text was Hebrews chapter 8 verses 8 through 12 or Jeremiah 31, 31 through 34, which is the Old Testament quotation in Hebrews.

Of course, my hope was because I really do think, and this is something I noticed in Layton Flowers, his live that he did at our show or in his hotel. He said something along the lines of saying that he noticed that all of the Calvinists there were reading their Calvinists into their eschatology or into their ecclesiology.

And he didn't listen to my message. He wasn't there. And I really hope he listens to it because my argument is that I'm not a Calvinist because that's my main doctrine. I'm a Calvinist because I believe in covenant theology and from that naturally flows confessional Calvinism.

And so that's what my whole mission was, was to show that this is consistent within covenants. This is the framework that God gives. And here we see it come to fulfillment in the new covenant, and we have it right then and there.

So that was my goal. I hope it happened. And so anyway. So what were you going to say, Jeremiah? Did you have your hand raised?

Yeah, I was just going to add real quick. What's interesting is I love how you grounded it in covenant theology because I have a backdoor way of how I came to Calvinism and covenant theology. As you can see, the Johnny Mac's back there.

I came to Calvinism first from being in a Southern Baptist church, which, by the way, I love my Southern Baptist brothers come out of the SBC, still praying for the SBC and all the fronts that they're warring on.

I came to Calvinism first in a dispensational mindset, which dispensational theology, even though we don't agree, I think when it's trying to be built on the Scriptures, then you can have a Johnny Mac understanding of the entirety of Scripture and be Orthodox.

You know what I mean? So anyway, that's where I come from. But I always had trouble with trying to reconcile the absolute sovereignty of God and Calvinism with a dispensational theology. And, Brayden, I'll tell you what kind of started breaking that down for me is understanding unconditional election because I think what's built within that doctrine is covenant, right?

But dispensational theology kind of has these two people groups, and so you're trying to look at two different people, and yet there's one elect of God, and it's because it's covenantal. God is in covenant relationship with a called-out people by His grace.

So for me, I came to covenant theology later and started seeing the beauty.

Yeah, that's really the story of all of us unless you were raised in a Reformed Baptist or a Presbyterian church, right? Like I cut my teeth on John Hagee and Jack Vanopy and Perry Stone, right, and they're dispensationalists, especially concerning the end times.

But, yeah, like once I discovered covenant theology, I definitely rejected the Westminster form, classical covenant theology, and I would consider myself not necessarily a dispensationalist, but I didn't know.

To be honest with you, I didn't have a home because I didn't know what, you know. Well, I think I fall more under the leaky dispensation of Johnny Mac, but I knew that it was a bucket that really couldn't hold much water.

Like it had hose in it. But once I discover Baptist covenant theology, Federalist, 1689 Federalist, like it just all made sense, and I was like, this is it, and I dove in, and man, it's been probably the greatest study in my Christian life, right, getting to understand, getting to know and understand what our forefathers in the Baptist faith taught and believed and, you know, and rediscovering these things.

And it made me understand that when I open my Bible to study it, I need to open it to study it with Baptist covenant theology framework. And I hate that, you know, we have to put a denominational heading on it, such as Baptist, whatever, but that's the name.

It's like Calvinism, right? A spade's a spade. Yeah, a spade's a spade. I'm not a Calvinist because of John Calvin. I'm a Calvinist because Jesus was a Calvinist, if that's what you want to call it, right?

Hallelujah. Yeah. Call it back. Yeah. So here's a question, and I'm not trying to be, you know, I'm just trying to, you know, because there's a lot of messages. Like, I think Hap's message made me really happy, right?

Happy's message made me happy because I was worried about Hap's because he had a lot of stuff on his plate over the last two weeks. You know, he spoke for me at church, and he's been teaching Sunday school, and I was, you know, and of course he's a member of my church, and so I feel like I need to cuddle him sometimes.

And so when his message that he preached, I think he did a very good job, and, man, like, it just thrilled me once he was done. I was like, man, that was really good. But Sam Waldron, like some things that Sam Waldron pointed out, man, like I don't know if you ever watched UFC, but the UFC commentary table, like if somebody gets knocked out or something, you know, and they'll kind of like show a video of them, and they're all like freaking out and stuff like that.

And Braden and myself was sitting beside each other, and Sam Waldron would throw these softball, like just, he would just say something. They'd say, you know, we're just kind of like fighting each other, and it just reminded me of that, like something.

He, like, labeled Calvinism a way that I want to start using it, and it was confessional Calvinism. Yeah. Like, that is good. That is good. And so I just want to point, like, what are, you know, it might not just be one person, but what are some of the things that you heard a speaker say that you're not going to forget and you probably are going to add to your arsenal?

I really appreciated Michael Schultz. Am I saying his name right? Yep. I loved how he was talking about the Calvinism in love or God's love in Calvinism, reminding us that, yes, we hold to doctrines of predestination, God's sovereign, even through reprobation.

But we have to understand the heart of God is a heart of love. It's a holy love. It's a just love. And I loved how he challenged everybody with the rich young ruler to say, hey, Jesus loved the rich young ruler.

He left sad. There's no evidence of repentance. I disagree personally with A .W. Pink. A .W. Pink thought that maybe he was elect. There's just nothing about that in the text that would let us see that other than someone that's, this is what I took away with Michael Schultz.

We don't see a name to the rich young ruler, and yet he represents the best earthly fleshly version of ourselves, meaning he's young, he's wealthy, and he's a good moral person in the world's eyes. I mean, he's the pinnacle of what we could achieve in terms of earthly possessions.

And yet that's every one of us, right? He's the best version of it and he falls short. So I really liked that. And I liked how he emphasized no matter what your Calvinism is, because there are perversions of Calvinism.

There is what we would look at maybe a high Calvinist that needs to be checked a little bit. I'm all for the absolute sovereignty of God in all things, but we need to have in there God loves people, right?

We understand common grace. Some Calvinists don't like that term. They'll appeal to general mercy. I think A .W. Pink was one of those. And it's like, hey, we might need to chill out a little bit. And was it Schultz that was just saying don't be a jerk or something?

Don't be a jerk.

Yeah, that's what I would take away from it. Yeah, he needs to be memed saying that. I mean, when you look at him, you don't see like, he doesn't seem the type that would tell you not to be a jerk. Right.

What about you, Brayden? What's something that someone said that stuck out to you?

So I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about Schultz. I agree with what you said, Jeff, regarding Haps. Haps, look, when he preached a whole hour, I just was like, dude. And he knocked it out of the park, too.

It was a good message. And I was like, dude, good job. I was really happy to see that. I think right now I'm preaching through the Book of Job. And so what Jeremiah said really resonated with a lot of the things that I have going on in the background at my own local body.

And I think we could look at that even in our own personal lives. So I think that was really encouraging. Schultz, yeah, that was a much needed call to repentance to everybody in there. Don't be a jerk.

Right. And, you know, I said this earlier, but like an observation that I've seen on both sides of the road, whether you're a Calvinist or you're a provisionist, Arminianist, whatever you are, you get into your social medias and you're a jerk.

Like there's people that out there that just are obnoxious. And I think that's because we are living in the day where we have people that are claiming to be theologians, which good. Go study God's word, be a theologian.

But these are the people that were raised on Xbox that could say you're mom and all these kinds of things without having any type of repercussion. You could be ignorant, arrogant, prideful, boastful, and there was nothing that would happen to you about that.

And so I think that's what we see today is that kind of attitude of I can say whatever I want and I can, I can get a reaction and, and that's what's feeding what I'm the reason I'm saying. And that's on, like I said, both sides of the camp.

So I really did appreciate Schultz on what he said there. But I, you know, Waldron man, Waldron was like the Conor McGregor of the conference. And look, if he heard me say that, I don't think he would like it, but it's, it's a fact he came out swinging with these theological, like, Oh my goodness.

And like, I say that in a little bit of a funny tone, right? Of course, but like, he had airtight reasoning with everything he was saying things I had never really thought of when it was a more excellent way.

Yeah. Yeah. For the freedom, freedom of God. And yet he can't sin. It would be against his nature. And we don't say that God is limited in his, in his free will.

What about those that are in heaven? Yeah. Those that are in heaven have a free will and yet they don't choose.

They don't, they don't sin. Yeah. And then he brought up origin and how that was heretical, how he would say that they could fall. Like it was phenomenal. So I was greatly blessed about that. And I really, I valued the way the conference was set up that day the most.

And the reason I say that is I didn't see the structure until that day. So like with Jeremiah going after all the history, it set up a lot of the stuff that would be talked about the rest of the time.

Then you have the wrath of love. And then on the third day, look, Jeff, you are one smart guy, but God predestined it.

I was telling a story. Listen, everything that I do, I tell a story. That's right. And if you notice the topics have to do with some of the straw man arguments that, that were, you know, that that's brought against us.

And so if you're listening today on this podcast and you, you have these arguments against Calvinism, I would challenge you to just go and listen to the very first message to the last message. And I'm almost 100 sure that your questions are going to be answered.

Can I do a shameless book plug? Sure. Now this is deep. This would be a good followup to Waldron's sermon. This is written by French shout out to John Calvin, French theologian, Guillaume beyond. He wrote a book called excusing sinners and blaming God.

And so it's just deep into the philosophy. It maybe is a little out of focus, but I just want to recommend people because this is on the doctrine of compatibilism. So this is kind of the systematic theology that sustains Calvinism and has to be covenantal in its framework.

But it's the verse that many of us quoted, you know, Genesis 50, verse 20, what Joseph's brothers meant for evil, God meant for good. And so compatibilism affirms that God makes choices in man makes choices, but they're not the same, right?

God's eternal choice and man's is of a temporal choice. And so it's God's eternal choice that grounds man's temporal, albeit maybe sinful choices gives it meaning and purpose. And so compatibilism is what we would say is a soft determinism, a divine determinism that's not fatalistic.

It's the exact opposite. It's saying that no, God has absolute sovereignty in whatever comes to pass in his world and gives it meaning and purpose. And they're compatible unless you do what the flower patch kids do and unificates God's will and man's will.

And when they're one of the same, then you do have these gaping problems that ultimately man has powers that can thwart God in an ultimate sense. So anyway, Guillaume Beyond, you can look him up. That book is kind of a deep dive into reconciling the sovereignty of God, harmonizing it with the responsibility of man.

That's good.

Yeah. And so someone asked earlier, so let me go ahead and answer. They asked when all the videos are going to drop and they're going to be dropping 9 a .m. Central Standard Time tomorrow morning. So Friday morning.

I will say that the first two videos, there's something going on with the camera for some reason, it has like this little square box around the face. And then the audio isn't, you can hear, but it doesn't sound professional.

I'll go ahead and throw that out there. We only had one day before the conference to get in there, to kind of see what we had going on for us. And so now we have a better knowledge of what we need. And so next year I'm going, again, I'm going to be trying.

If I cannot raise the money, I'm going to figure out a way out of my own pocket to buy everything that we need for sound quality and probably get some more cameras for different angles. So this is just our second conference.

It's our first conference that's not in our church. And we only had one day a day ahead before we can go in and see what everything looks like. And so please be patient with us. If you see this and you think it's not G3 quality, no, it's not because we don't have G3 money, right?

But we are going, we are working toward a goal and to get better equipment, but the messages will be posted. They're already downloaded. They're on my YouTube channel. They're scheduled to post 9 a .m. tomorrow.

And that's central standard time.

So there's another question in the chat. I believe one of y 'all maybe answered it. We were asked if there's any good introductory material on covenant theology. I want to give another book plug, The Kingdom of God by Jeffrey Johnson.

Jeffrey Johnson is the man. Fantastic. And if you look up, it may be on sermon audio or you can go to the church that he pastors at Grace Bible College or not. That's the college that he's at. But is it Grace Bible?

Is that the church that he pastors? Anyway, if you look up, he has a whole sermon series on covenant theology and he goes all through the major covenants and it's fantastic.

So I can't. There is two guys who are working on writing a covenant theology. Yeah. I mean, I know one of them fairly well. Yeah. We got to tweak some of those, Jeff, some of those points though. I don't know about that.

I'm ready to debate them points. As y 'all know, Braden Patterson and myself are working on one. And, and I think once it comes out, like if, like if you can still hold to classical covenant theology, I don't know what to say about you.

I just, I just, I don't get it. But, or if you're a dispensationalist, you just, you didn't. Yeah. Like both of them. Right. It's just like, you know, you are where you're at because of tradition, not because of scripture.

Yeah. That's what I would say. And that might piss some people off.

But again, I, it is what it is. Right. People don't worry about my feelings. So one of the books that was at the conference was a reformed Baptist manifesto. By Sam. Yeah. Richard Barcellas. Great book.

I highly recommend that one. The mystery of Christ, his covenant, his kingdom by Samuel. Great book. Read that one. And that's honestly, that's where I think a lot of my sermon prep for that conference came from, was from those two books.

And then also what Jeff and I are studying and putting together.

Have you read the Jeffrey Johnson stuff? I haven't. Do you know who Jeffrey Johnson is? Yeah, I do know who Jeffrey Johnson is. I haven't read this book though. Yeah.

Hey, I interviewed Dr. Jeffrey on his book, the five points of all millennialism. And it was awesome. I got to watch that. Yeah. You really need to watch it.

I plan on getting the book. All right. So let's see. Let's talk about. Okay. We talked about some good things. We talked about what we got from the messes, some good things that happened. Let's talk about some of the, the bad things that, that took place.

So, so I was trying to eat. Right. I'm sitting here. I got a, I'm biting into a sandwich. All right. Listen, you don't mess with a trailer park kid. When he's trying to eat. All right. And someone came in and interrupted my face.

Jeremiah, would you know who that is?

I do. What happened? Let me explain things from my. Dr. White's doing the whole debate thing. Get getting ready to just lay the jack camera, you know? And so I'm in the back with some of the men from 12, five.

We're just loving everything. Jeff loved the conference beginning, the end. And I see somebody with a camera on a tripod. And I'm like this knucklehead really thinks he's about to get away with that. Like he knows better.

I'll let you name drop. If you want to. Yeah. Kevin Thompson. Yep. His YouTube channel is beyond the fundamentals. The YouTube tough guy. Yep. That's who it is. And I don't want to be super negative, but.

Let me say this. Like I went right up to latent flowers, shook his hand, took a selfie with them. Genuinely kind of person. You know what I mean? Yeah. Disagree with them. I consider him a critical thinker.

Like there's videos I've watched over the years. I'm like, I'm not sure how I'd answer that. And so in a lot of ways I've been pushed by latent flowers. And I look back and I'm very appreciative of that.

And I let him know that. And he told me I was one of the kindest Calvinist he's met. And I was like, yes. But with this other fellow, it's not the same vibe. The first thing that he said when I shook his hand was, yeah, we got Calvinist bingo.

We're going to be waiting for Dr. White to say the same old, same old. And I'm like, all right, I'm done talking. You know what I mean? So he's filming on, I think a live stream to do Calvinist bingo with his, you know, crowd of people.

And so I have to get up and get some more coffee. Anyway, I'm like, I'm going to double check with Jeff to let him make sure he he's aware. And so you're chowing down and I walk over and I'm trying to think the first thing I said, how, you know, the Kevin guy, you're like, yeah, that's the guy that was supposed to debate Dr. White, but it was too big of a hassle, blah, blah.

And I'm like, is it okay if he's filming the whole thing live? Because you know, he's posted up with the tripod. And what'd you say, Jeff, you're going, you're kidding. I don't mess around. And you get up.

And I'm like, I'm going to give that a few minutes. I'm going to use the rest. I'm going to get some coffee. I'm going to come in a few minutes behind that. So I come in, he's like, he's sitting like this.

He's not filming anymore. Like I'm thinking, oh man. So I went over to my good friend, Adam Carmichael. And I said, Hey, did I miss anything? He goes, yeah, Jeff busted in here and told Kevin to turn it all off.

And he goes, you missed it. I said, who do you think told Jeff? And he goes, it was you.

So yeah, that was kind of wild. Yeah. Yeah. So Manny, Manny Jones just said, I didn't know this. He said he tried charging money for his live feed. I'll tell you what, listen, I'm going to tell you right now.

The guy's a thief, right? When I walked over to him, I said, Hey, you can not live stream in here. Cut it off. And he said, yes, sir. And he cut it off. And I tell people all the time, listen, I'm a Christian, but don't push me.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, I mean, I mean, let's just be real, right? Like, like I'm not your every average day Christian. Like I'm like, I don't play. Right. I mean, I'm not gonna put my hands on nobody or anything like that, but I don't come up in my house thinking that you've run into.

That's our platform. And he comes in there and starts a live stream and our platforms, stuff that we're trying to grow. And then I tell him to shut it off. He cannot live stream. And then I go and look at his Facebook page afterwards.

And he's got like close to 50 ,000 views on that 40 minute video. And so I comment and said, you need to take this off. This belongs to open air theology. And then he was still trying to keep it up and argue.

He was still being a jerk on that. Yeah. Listen, he's a thief. He does not love the law of God. I'm not trying to kick him out the kingdom. I just don't think he's a brother.

Well, let's be honest right here. He kicks us out of the kingdom. So listen, listen to this. So Manny Jones just said he did dot, dot, dot on X. You had to pay if you wanted to watch it on his Twitter side of things.

So he wasn't just live streaming it to YouTube. Apparently he was live streaming it to Twitter, which I don't know how I don't, I'm not on Twitter. I don't know how that works, but this guy, I watched his video that he did prior to the, the day of the debate where he said that we're just in a video game or like a Jumanji game.