May 28, 2020 Show with Don K. Preston & Samuel Frost Debating “Full Preterism”; Day 1: “The Second Coming of Christ Was in AD 70” (Preston Affirms/Frost Denies)

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Wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 28th day of May 2020 and I'm so thrilled that finally the long-awaited two-day debate Begins today on full preterism. Today Thursday, May 28th. We are going to be addressing the theme.

The second coming of Christ was in AD 70 and Our debater Don Preston will affirm that thesis and Sam Frost will deny it. Tomorrow. On day two Friday May 29th we are going to be addressing the theme the physical resurrection of the dead is still in our future and Samuel M Frost will affirm that thesis and Don K Preston will deny it, but for today, let me introduce to you our our two debaters.

First of all Don K Preston is a leading proponent of full preterism Which claims that all the biblical prophecies including all the prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled in AD 70 at the fall of Jerusalem.

He is president of the Preterist Research Institute in Ardmore, Oklahoma and a prolific author. Some of his books have been Translated into as many as six different languages. Don's largest book to date.

We shall meet him in the air the wedding of the King of Kings is the very first and only full-length commentary on first Thessalonians chapter 4 from the full preterist perspective. Don Preston's writings have appeared in almost every major religious periodical of the churches of Christ.

And let me offer you my greetings Don Preston.

Thank You Chris. Thank you very much great to be with you and.

Samuel M Frost is our second debater. He was formerly a leading full preterist advocate while still one advocate. Sam authored such full preterist works as misplaced hope exegetical essays on the resurrection of the dead and Co-authored with Mike Sullivan Dave Green and Ed Hassert house divided bridging the gap in reformed eschatology a preterist response to when shall these things be which was a reform response to hyper preterism edited by Keith Matheson of Ligonier ministries.

Sam also Lectured extensively for over eight years at full preterist conferences. After abandoning that theology Sam wrote the book why I left full preterism and Welcome to Iron Trump and Zion radio. Samuel M Frost.

Thank You Chris and.

It's a pleasure to have both of you here. As I said, we've been waiting for this for quite a while and so glad that the debate is finally taking off today. We are going to start with a 10-minute opening remark segment that each of our Debaters will have and we are going to be begin with Don Preston for his 10-minute opening remark.

Which will be affirming the thesis that we've already Mentioned the second coming of Christ was in a d70.

Don Preston. All right. Thank you very much. Again, very glad to be here. My first affirmative is going to be based on second Thessalonians Chapter 1 and let me begin by saying number one. There is very very little disagreement.

Some post-millennialists would take the position, but by and large there is universal consent that second Thessalonians chapter 1 is Predictive of the second coming no matter how we perceive it to be no matter what with that statement.

Let me make this observation if I demonstrate in a d70 at the end of the Old Covenant tomorrow night because the second coming and The resurrection are synchronous events the second Thessalonians chapter 1 and with that let me haste into the tip.

Point number one Paul was writing to living breathing human Christians living 2 ,000 years ago at Thessalonica. Point number two we're being persecuted. Paul uses in the text He uses both the present active and the present participial form the present active telling us Obviously that it was going on point number three in Acts chapter 17 as Well as 1st Thessalonians chapter staying with God to repay with tribulation.

Now uses from troubled by the angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those that do not know God. And all those who do not obey the Gospels of the Lord and from in That to be glorified in his saints and to be admired among all those who believe because our testimony of you promised those living breathing Thessalonians who are being persecuted heard on Isis and ladies and gentlemen.

Onesis desolation in the sense of is the antonym of Philipses or a as in John chapter 16 context of 2nd Thessalonians chapter 1 is Persecution with from the persecute. We're going to receive relief from that pressure of tribulation at the hands of the Jews.

When would that really the Lord Jesus is and it would be in that day When he comes to be glorified in his saints. The question therefore is did Paul lie or Did Paul's prediction fail? Now the language here could not be clearer out of 60 English translations.

It renders it feel from heaven. The Greek is in the end as we would that is every literal significance and thus very very often I should say and they list 2nd Thessalonians chapter 1 as one of those instances in which No pun intended In is to be translated when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven.

Now I want you to notice something here. Paul says the Lord will give relief from that tribulation. When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven and is with his flaming fire or in flaming fire with his angels quotation as taken directly from Isaiah chapter section of Jerusalem.

When the Lord said I will bring on them that which then a voice in the temple a voice of doom. Be in the day in which the Lord would come in flaming fire with his chariots to create the new heaven and the new earth anticipating the fulfillment of Isaiah 66.

Muslim in flaming fire to wreak vengeance. His Jews at the time of that day of would then go to the nations who had never heard the name of the Lord. Never known the God of Israel and proclaim his glory to them.

Chapter 1 says he was coming to be glorified in his Saints. The idea of glory. Said that's commission Matthew. Tell the question before us. Are we going to accept the inspired word? Equivocally was talking to first century Saints being persecuted by the Jews and Paul promised that God on those Jews.

They would be persecuted. From that persecution. Now, the question is did God turn the tables on the Jews? Well, anybody who knows anything about history knows that the Jews went for being the person destroyed in 8070 in the destruction of Jerusalem as a judgment for killing Jesus for killing the prophets for killing the apostles and Thessalonians chapter 2 that the Jews had they were now killing.

In doing so they were filling up the measure of their sedicted that they would in Matthew 23 and Judgment had come upon them. Action of the second coming the coming of the Lord being promised that the Jews would be very soon in their lifetime.

Become the persecuted. Thank you. And now we have Samuel L. I'm sorry Samuel M frost.

Giving his Denial that the second coming of Christ was in 8070 and Sam. You also have 10 minutes.

Documented effort at any member of the church. Conversation of the language of covenant. And does this covenant see what body here on earth? means that we are with the three that this has implication meet the Lord takes them the sins of heading down and Remains on earth with keep in mind that mr. Preston teaches that all of this in detail.

Happened on a day and an hour at some time the ad Sleepy means of course changed together. It's in a moment in a flash. The dead will be raised and the living shall be three that which is corrupted will put on that which is incorrect and the living.

Number four the image is that when something is swallowed up all the time when quote death shall be no more. Into the lake of fire. Revelation 2014. That is a picture of compiling new heaven. No man knows the day and the hour it has recorded such an event.

Down to the day and envisioning a time when God would so dissolve the pie He said all of God's enemies have been destroyed and death itself has been hurled into the lake of fire and is no more. Along with the grave and there are no more indeed.

Let me quote the one who's thought the kingdom the weeds are the fun or the angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burnt and they will bend kingdom. Which then the righteous will shine like the sun and the kingdom of the father out the angels and gather together his elect.

Not to read the wicked that are removed the enemies that have been found by the enemy the devil and up 1780 all of these events so in the history of. And asking the question above what is to be fulfilled over evil battle between work and coming in the present.

Well, thank you Sam and.

We are now going to be going to a commercial break something that we need to do to keep this program on the air and When we return each debater will have a seven minute rebuttal To the other debater and we're going to beginning once again with Don K Preston.

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Welcome back. This is day number one of the two-day debate on full preterism. We have now reached the point when each of our debaters Don K Preston and Samuel M Frost will give a rebuttal to the statements that were previously given by each of them.

And these will be seven minutes each and Don Preston once again.

You begin anything that I said that he had to say like unknown churches never known such-and-such. Then that to examine everyone tickle death. Matthew chapter 24 the heaven and earth is the temple. Josephus himself tells us that the temple was called heaven and earth of the temple.

But let me put it like this of the old heaven and earth a chapter 6 will buy a new name Slay you or to the Lord will God will slay you and call his people by a new name for behold I create new and then mr. Frost tells us.

Well, no man knows Number one that terminology no man knows the day and the hours. It comes from raw and pointing out that this judgment to Shauna and said that the Holy the Apostles to assume that the writer of Hebrews said Say the one who is coming will come and will not delay and do the day in the hour come to pass.

The time hailing the day in the hour came down now. Knowing the hour say anything to you for you know perfectly well. Go to Matthew chapter Jesus has there been many the time that he spoke no man knew the day the hour.

By the Father who knew the day and the hour our Peter to say early ready to the end of all time the Specifically and that the judgment is the time of the judgment of the living of the dead. That's the resurrection.

Who knew the day of the hour that for that judgment. Thank you Don Preston and.

By the way, I just like to briefly Remind both of our debaters, please try to remain as silent as possible while the other is speaking because everything that you do can be picked up by your your phone and through the Broadcast today.

So please try to remain as silent and as motionless as you can. And now Sam Frost it's your turn to give a seven-minute rebuttal.

To second Thessalonians chapter 1 and my rebuttal of your execution that you may be countered Kingdom of God. Tribulating you bubbling those the trolling Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel it's a few of the language here and then it says what Don wants you to think is that he's going to give a Relief or that this persecution is going to cease in the day and in timing of Jesus.

But they were Translations but I wasn't. To you who are a friend to you who are and to you who are troubled in the revelation. That's where Jesus is. Daniel sees for example, and he sees the myriads upon myriads of angels Among the ancient of Dandesey's flame in the midst of his revelation chapter 5 with flaming fire at his fingertips.

He's ready to send down all the angels. Everything is at his command. This is where he's at to me and coming of Jesus Christ Vengeance because as he mentions many were before and that's all very true because I asked.

I said in the beginning the Conversation now being fulfilled and regardless of what Matthew 24 undo this and some say this was 70 AD and some don't but within this Larger conversation these remained. What has been fulfilled what is now being fulfilled and be fulfilled and none.

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