How do We Respond to The Homeless? | Season 3 Episode 10

What's up?

What's up with it?

Boom, bam, bop, boom, pow.

Welcome to the Point Taken podcast.

My name is Josiah.

I'm not the host of this podcast, but I guess I am today.

To my right is Anna.

Hey, guys.

To the right of her is Ben.

What up?

Welcome back.

A couple of times before we're here to do our podcast thing.

This is the podcast where we make and take spiritual and biblical truths and chat it up.

We're doing that again.

And I don't I don't want to edit it out.

I do not want this edited out.

Nick, as you're sitting on your computer doing this by yourself, do not edit this out.

We're going to try that again.

You can't hear this is the this is the podcast Point Taken Christian

podcast where we make and take spiritual and biblical truths and chat it up.

And I already said my name is Josiah.

I'm not sorry.

We already know where we make and then you pause.

He says make and take spiritual.

I thought you were going to say make fun of Hunter.

I thought that's where that was going.

Now, I could see why you would think that based on what we were saying before.

So today, everybody, we have some tech talks to react to.

And if we get through them, we have several listener questions with some, shall

we say?

Strange questions and some pretty straightforward ones.

Scream.

We'll get to those in a minute.

And it has those.

But first, we have some tech talks to react to.

We have not heard these other than them playing in the background while we were setting up the audio.

But besides that, we haven't really heard these.

So here we go.

When you're ready, Mr. Lowell, we can do the first one.

Let's talk about exclusionary architecture and design.

Exclusionary architecture is an urban design strategy that purposely restricts the use of public spaces for shelter or rest.

It can be hard to recognize because it's often camouflaged and built into structures like these.

It can also look like the absence of structures such as benches or public restrooms.

This is yet another way to control the behavior of the unhoused to try to improve the appearance of public spaces.

But this doesn't stop homelessness.

It merely makes the daily lives of the unhoused more challenging by forcing them to go without access to hygienic resources, to sleep on

the sidewalk or go to a shelter, many of which are overcrowded or unsafe.

Our city should not exist only for the rich.

Homelessness must be solved structurally, not with discriminatory and dangerous Band -Aid solutions.

Duet us with examples of exclusionary architecture in your neighborhood.

Brother Lowell, we have another one about the same topic.

Yeah.

All right.

Go ahead.

That's the song that you like.

I was getting down to that.

That was it.

Was I supposed to be able to hear something there?

Or was it on the.

That was just the second part of it.

OK.

OK.

So I'm with it now.

OK.

So in the first one and the second one, I didn't understand anything they said.

I didn't either.

In the first one.

Let's let's go with that one first.

I think I understand what they're getting at.

Initial reactions to that.

The first one.

Yeah.

I agreed with what she said on homelessness and just not like putting a Band -Aid on something you get need to

get to the root of the problem.

But that was about the only thing that I agreed with her on.

So in case y 'all didn't catch it at first because I didn't at first and then I did, she

is.

Speaking out against, I'm going to burp real quick on.

She's speaking out against the idea of making public

spaces uninhabitable for people that want to permanently live there.

Homeless population.

My initial reaction to that is that that video is set

in a way to where if you disagree with that, you do not care about the homeless, which is interesting.

Hey, listen to that sentence one more time, and I just want everyone to just just hear that sentence

out loud.

It's wrong to restrict people to inhabit inhabit public

spaces.

That's what was said, right?

What is the definition of public?

Everyone public forever.

No trespassing.

So if you set up.

A tent on a sidewalk, are you allowing that sidewalk to be used for public space or

just your own?

Just your own.

I mean, look over here at Sycamore View.

Yeah, I mean, my husband and I drive by, you know, going home every day.

And I was like, oh, look, there's a new tent over here, like on that corner right by the exit on the interstate.

And it's like there's more and more people popping up tents and living over in that area.

You know, and I mean, and it makes the neighborhood look crappy.

It just does seem a little tense, popped up everywhere.

We should have a person.

No, you're not.

And that's what people want, I think.

Yeah, well, according to her, tick tock.

Yeah, I'm a horrible person, but no, it makes it look trashy.

It makes it look unkept.

It's not appealing to the eyes, not aesthetically pleasing to the eye.

And also, like, I mean, just it just what's the word?

I guess it downgrades the neighborhood.

Yeah.

For lack of a better term.

You know, here at Witten.

We don't let people walk into this building and leave hungry unless they choose to.

Right.

We have a public food pantry.

We have done work before downtown at the Union Mission, as well

as at the woman's shelter here.

We've done a lot of work with that before.

Don't ever let Christians fall into the trap of if you don't agree with

the methods for which some people say this is how we should help them.

That means you don't care about those people.

That's just not true.

Right.

I mean, that's just not true at all.

I think public spaces should be for get ready for the public.

But that doesn't mean there's other ways we can help and care for those people.

You know, when I when I worked laying asphalt,

two of my co -workers were homeless.

They made far more money than I did.

I was about to say, why is that they chose to be?

They to quote one of them.

How do I say this in a PG?

He chose to spend his money on other things so he didn't have to pay for housing because just slept in their bridge somewhere

and he spent all his money on other things.

Mm hmm. I gotcha.

So they chose to be.

And some people say it's just it's easier.

And a lot of the time there's a guy down on Sycamore View.

He holds a sign.

He has his little wagon and he has a sign and he's very honest.

He says his sign says need money for weed.

And I and I told my husband, I was like, well, I can respect that.

At least he's being honest of what he's trying to get money for.

It was over by Walmart.

I'm not giving.

Yeah, he kind of hops around over by the Walmart over there.

So for all the same page there.

Basically, if you don't want to live in a house, that's your right.

But they get money sidewalk.

Yeah.

A public sidewalk is not your house either.

No.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Perfect property.

So and unfortunately, they give like just homeless people in general like a bad rap because then everybody just assumes that all of

them, of course.

You know.

So here's here's my question.

Here's my question to you two.

Giving money.

To homeless people, to people with a cardboard sign sitting out on East Parkway or Union

Avenue or wherever you're from.

What's your thought on that?

Do you have any thoughts on that?

I do.

I don't go first.

Oh, no, no.

Say we say what you're going to say.

I was going to say, I don't do all right.

Why?

So for me, it's well, a couple of things.

It's a safety reason.

I'm not getting my wallet out, especially if I'm by myself for them to then take it possibly, you know, just

safety for that.

I don't want them to use my money for drugs, alcohol, like whatever.

If they are hungry, if they need somewhere to stay, I would rather pay for their needs.

I will buy you a meal.

That's always one thing that we talked about.

If you are hungry, I will buy you a meal.

If you want to meet me up at this McDonald's, I'll buy you whatever you want.

If you need a new shirt, I'll go to Walmart.

I'll buy you a shirt.

And I'll bring it back here.

Like I'm it was always a protective safety measure for me.

But also, I'm not going to pay for your drugs and alcohol like using my hard earned money.

What's your take?

That's kind of how mine was as well, because because I even offered that to a few of them and then be like, oh,

you know, I'm good.

You know, if you offer.

Yeah, because they don't want that.

They just want money.

Yeah.

You know, another thing is that also kind of sucks is like, you know, like I've had people like pull up at the gas station, like show

me their their gauge and say, you know, they just need to get home.

They just need like five bucks.

And it's like, I'll fill up your tank.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But sometimes they just have the five dollars, but they want you to pull up their tank so that they can spend that five dollars on something else.

I've seen it happen.

Yeah.

You know, more than one.

There's actually a story.

I worked at a restaurant in high school and where this restaurant was, there was this guy.

He would always ride his bike.

He's a homeless guy, but like everybody in town knew who he was.

And so he came up to me.

I was standing in my car with another male co -worker and we were talking and he asked for money for

food.

And I'm like, I'm not giving him money, especially, you know, I'm a teenager.

So I was like, well, I don't have any money.

I never really carried cash, but I said, I will.

I can give you some food.

I have some yogurt in my lunch box that I wasn't going to eat if you want that.

And he goes, he didn't have teeth.

He says, no, I need something soft for my teeth.

And I'm like, well, dude, I don't know.

It gets more soft than yogurt.

So like, you know, I'm like, whatever.

Or just, OK, yeah, I'm like, if you don't want my yogurt, just say, but it's like you just want money, but.

You know, I think we have a I think we have a biblical precedent for that mindset.

I'm the same way.

I have bought.

Meals before.

There was a time when I was young where my parents even allowed

somebody after getting numb for a little bit to stay at a home for a while.

Somebody who did not have a home.

When Peter and John, after Jesus ascends, Acts, Chapter four, when

they go into a temple, there's a man there who's been paralyzed since birth.

And there's a cool thing about that.

If you think about he's been paralyzed since birth and he's at that door at the temple.

That means somebody passed by him for a very long time.

Someone who went to a temple all the time.

So his name rhymes with Jesus and chose not to heal him, which means he had a purpose for it.

But at any rate, so if he's 40 and he's been paralyzed since birth and Jesus has only been gone for three months, the

logical conclusion would be Jesus has passed by this dude on multiple occasions.

But he had a reason for not healing him.

Anyway, that's not the point.

The point is, what did what did Peter and John say?

If you grew up in a Baptist church at BBS, you remember us a song.

But silver and gold.

I have none.

But what I have, I will give you.

In the name of Jesus Christ, OK?

Would it have taken long for Peter to go and find some silver and gold, go catch some fish and turn them in for some money?

We could assume, no, it would not have taken them that long.

Right.

But.

He felt perfectly respectable in saying, I'm not giving you money, but I will give you what I have to give you.

The gospel of Jesus.

Right.

I think we have an example from Peter and John, an apostolic example of that.

OK, we have one more tick tock.

Yeah.

Is everyone good on the homelessness one?

We covered that.

Everyone think we any other aspects of that we need to cover?

No.

OK, next one.

Let's hit it.

You've referred to people with a capacity for pregnancy.

Would that be women?

Many women, cis women have the capacity for pregnancy.

Many women do not have the capacity for pregnancy.

There are also trans men who are capable of pregnancy as well as non -binary people who are capable of pregnancy.

So this isn't really a women's rights issue.

It's we can recognize that this impacts women while also recognizing that it impacts other groups.

Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Senator Hawley.

So your view is, is that the core of this.

This right then is about what?

So I want to recognize that your line of questioning is transphobic and it

opens up trans people to violence.

OK, such an idiot.

I have so much I want to say.

I've I've actually seen this tick tock before and every time like I can just.

I just feel so let's let's let's let's look at that.

Then what's wrong with what she said?

So the question everything.

OK, so the question posed to her, she said pregnant people or people

that can be pregnant, I believe is how she worded it.

And then he said, do you mean women?

Yeah.

And her response.

Then she went into not all cis cis women, which are straight, straight women.

That's what cis means.

I thought it meant natural.

Yeah, I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Natural born women who are so I would be a cis woman.

OK, so a woman, a woman.

So a cis woman who can have who can get pregnant, cis women who can't get pregnant because there are some

women who cannot get pregnant because of some health things, whatever.

And then she said some transgender women.

So men, transgender.

So a man, trans, just transition or no, no, trans, trans men.

So I'm confused.

A man pretending to be a woman.

Yes.

Got it.

OK.

They're saying they can get pregnant or a yeah, a woman pretending to be a man.

She can she can get pregnant, all this stuff.

And I mean, that's not it's like crap.

What is his name?

Is it Matt Walsh?

Yeah, Matt Walsh.

Yeah, he does like what is a woman like nobody?

Nobody can answer it.

And at the very end, his wife is like his wife.

At the very end, his wife was like, it's a biological female with an X chromosome and like all and she's like,

that's it.

And nobody else from like all these universities could come up with an answer.

But the fact that she's fighting for like these women's rights.

But he was saying, well, you're not fighting for women's rights because you're fighting for like these men to have these.

You know, it's he's like, you're not making sense.

She's like, well, that's trans.

That's transphobic, Senator Hawley.

And I'm just like, it opens trans people to, quote, violence.

Was that the wording?

Yeah.

Before I suicide.

So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, like I know that's.

This kind of stuff.

It really does, like, frustrate me because it's just it's just blatant ignorance or it's just people just

choosing to live a lie, knowing it is a lie, you know, and it's like, you know, trans people make up like

what, like point two.

Well, yeah, they're a minority.

Point two percent of the population, you know, and we're supposed to like everyone else is

supposed to be like accommodate, accommodate to, you know, how they feel and stuff like that.

And like, you know, it's been like there's been a lot of studies that like there's a lot of suicide after they've transitioned,

after they've transitioned, where there wasn't evidence of that before.

You know, they try to turn that all in all because they were bullied because this.

But then, you know, just throughout history, people that have dealt with way worse stuff, the suicide

rate was like astronomically lower.

So my thing is like her logic doesn't make any sense.

Quote, unquote, logic.

There's two groups of people I'd like to say something to.

The first would be to people who would call

themselves trans people.

I nor anyone here, nor anyone that I know of at this church have any hate in

our hearts for you.

Zero.

Yeah, exactly.

What you are doing is living a lie.

And it is in violation of God's commandment.

But it is in no worse violation of God's commandment than my own violations of God's commandments.

In other words, it does not put you in more or less of a need for God's

grace than me.

Amen.

And.

I, I feel for you that you have believed a lie.

And maybe the other people in your life.

Go along with it because they're too afraid to tell you the truth.

And I want you to know.

That.

If you call on Jesus as Lord from your heart, you will find him to

be nothing more than a perfect savior.

But the other group would be Christians who placate this, who

support this kind of stuff.

For you, I'd have a much harsher word to.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

There is nothing more hateful in the world than having the truth.

That determines one's eternal destiny and then shielding that to placate someone's

feelings.

That's the most hateful thing I could ever think of anyone doing.

That is the most hateful thing is that, you know, the bridge is out and you're telling them it's fine.

Keep on going.

That's the most hateful thing I could ever think of.

OK.

Yet you mentioned Matt Walsh earlier.

People, it's like the emperor has no clothes.

People know observably people won't look me in the eye and say, yes, that 300 pound

dude with the Adam's apple is a woman that, you know, that's not true.

You know, that's not true.

And then when Christian people say it's loving to let people live that lie

in spite of what God has said.

Again, I find that hateful.

And then I would say that I'm a disjustice.

Yeah.

Because because Matt Walsh, he goes to these universities.

Wasn't one of them like a gender study?

Yeah, I guess he walks up to a bunch of wealthy students.

Most of them white.

He says, what is a woman?

No one can answer it.

He says, can a man get pregnant?

Every one of them say yes.

Then he goes to.

A tribe in the center of Africa, and he has a translator and he says, can a man get

pregnant?

And they all laugh at him.

Yeah.

And say, of course not.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Because God's truth is so evident.

You don't need a four year hundred and thirty thousand dollar degree from a major university.

We literally are spending a quarter of a million dollars per per student

to learn lies that are evidently and outwardly true to everyone on

planet Earth.

That's what we're doing.

That everyone on planet Earth knows is false.

Knows is is false.

My four year old, who I've never taught.

What features to look for in a face or whatever of what the difference is between a boy and a girl can

tell me every kid in nursery, that's a boy and every kid in nursery, that's a girl.

Right.

And I've not taught her that it's and it's not because everyone's dressed in some social construct of blue and pink.

It's because it's evident God's truth and creation is evident.

And making a mockery of that as a Christian,

I struggle to believe what your commitment to God is.

And if it is, I beg you.

Loving someone is telling them the truth, not telling them a lie.

I'm rambling, telling them what they need to hear.

That's right.

You know, sometimes sometimes that's the greatest way to show love.

It's like it sucks.

All right.

Right.

Like they have to buy.

Hey, look like I know you don't want to hear this, but.

I have to tell you this.

I need people to tell me that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sometimes it sucks.

But I mean, I have to tell you, your jokes aren't funny.

Right.

And sometimes sometimes they're not true like that one.

But yeah, what were you saying?

I lost my train of thought.

But at least you didn't lose your boat of thought, just your train of thought.

You hear that cricket?

Nick, I'm going to need you to edit cricket.

He's here.

Seth's laughing.

He's laughing at me laughing at you doing what?

Laughing that I was right.

He's agreeing that you said.

I think he was laughing.

She was saying about you.

About who?

Which were you laughing at her?

Do you notice our little friend here at her.

About what?

About the all he's he's getting embarrassed.

We better stop.

He's like in lioness, just embarrassed.

OK.

Anyway.

Oh, there it is.

He just got it.

I was going to ask you a question, Pastor.

I actually know somebody who was transgender that I didn't previously know.

Now that I know it's it's very evident, I guess I was just like I didn't know this person.

I was trying to be nice.

So like I have not talked, had a conversation to this person.

How could I, as a Christian, show Christ's love to her and speak?

Well, to him and speak truth.

Is this a man or a woman?

It's a man.

In truth, it's a man who believes he's a woman.

Yes.

Wait, I miss it.

Is it something, you know, like specifically or you just put?

No, this is actually somebody I know.

First off, someone in my passing, this is somewhat related.

So sometimes people ask me.

Like, I would have no problem with this part if.

If he.

Legally.

In other words, I don't have a problem to say, OK, you want me to call you that name?

That's fine.

Because I was introduced.

Well, I was introduced to this person.

My name is Jillian.

What a name.

Yeah.

OK.

OK.

If you ask me, are you a woman?

The answer is no.

But I'll call you, Jillian.

Sure.

That that part doesn't bother me.

That's a name.

I don't that doesn't bother me.

How do you show Christ's love?

By treating their sin is no worse than yours.

Absolutely.

But by still treating it as sin.

So, for example, I would have no problem inviting that person over to my house for dinner.

I'd have no problem.

Like zero.

That would be what I want.

There is no space where I want it.

Extend the same gratitude I would anybody else.

But at some point, I would have to bring that up.

I want to do it in front of anybody else.

Right.

Um.

How well do you know this person?

Not very.

They've been at a couple of gatherings that we've had.

I give it a I get to know them first.

And then after that, I'd find a way to bring up the

conversation.

And there are a myriad of ways you could do that.

But it wouldn't be the first thing I say.

It would be the thing.

I mean, he's really nice and we've had several conversations and he's come with like his roommate and stuff.

And we've all, you know, chatted like came to Christmas, like all of it.

And, you know, I only you know how I normally do this.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter what the sin is.

It does not matter.

Right.

Because we all said it doesn't matter.

Hey, man, are you a Christian?

OK, once I get the answer, if the answer to that is yes.

So by saying that, that means you believe that God's word should dictate our lives.

Right.

Well, that tells me how we're about to go.

OK, if the answer is no.

Well, then it's just a simple gospel presentation.

Then it just goes that way.

But I always I almost always start with that because once someone says, yes, I'm a Christian, whether they

actually believe it or not, they just pledge allegiance to God's word.

Right.

Right.

So so like, for example, when I have someone tell me.

Yeah, I'm a Christian.

I just don't think I have to obey what Jesus said.

Well, that's how do you know you're a Christian?

And they'll tell me because the Bible says so.

Where is it say that?

So so which parts of the Bible are acceptable to you?

And how did you come to that conclusion?

This part's OK.

John three, 16 is OK.

But John three, three is not.

So how did you come to that conclusion?

They lied to themselves.

That's right.

You know, when somebody wants to do, you know, when people want to live in sin, especially when it's very specific,

like I want to be a woman or want to be a man kind of thing.

You know, I think what happens a lot of times, I'm not saying this is the case for everybody, but, you know, they lie to

themselves so much that they convince themselves that it's true.

And sometimes they forget that it's a lie.

I mean, you know, it's probably everyone in this room has done that with something.

Oh, we lied to ourselves so much.

We actually believe it.

And we we believe it's unintentional.

Yeah.

Until someone else says, no, that's not true.

Right.

That's exactly.

I mean, there's there's things that are obviously like, OK, nobody would try to convince themselves that that's, you know,

OK.

But I just think it's the culture today.

And especially with the younger like Gen Z generation, even millennials.

It's about like having control over something when you feel like you don't have control.

You know, you just not being accountable to anybody except yourself.

Just having like you.

We talked about this in that one episode that ended up not getting aired is your promised peace

through transitioning and doing all of these things.

And it's like in a lot of people, like you said, in some studies, actually, or more suicidal

after they've transitioned because they realize that it doesn't give them that peace.

And that's the only thing that Jesus can provide.

So that's and that's because he's the only one that can provide.

Yeah.

And people and that is the lie that society is being sold.

But, you know, if they've been convinced, though, right?

That's the thing.

They've been convinced because of the culture.

And then, yeah, because of the culture.

And then unfortunately, there's a lot of parents that are pushing this stuff that they have been horrible that, oh, yeah, the grass, the grass is

greener on the other side.

This will make me happy.

And then once they get there, it's like, nope, right.

But you know what?

You know what?

Brother Jeremiah said this in a sermon a few weeks ago.

In reality, you don't fall in the sand.

You slide in.

Yeah, you mentioned that in the last podcast.

OK, did I?

Yeah.

His point was his point was.

Very rarely is it all of a sudden.

Oh, I'm embroiled in this and it's a slow fade.

When your foundation is not the word of God.

Everything is on the table.

When your foundation is not the word of God.

Everything is on the table.

So however that rebellion comes out, it's different for different people.

OK, well, do you want to do some of the questions?

Yeah.

Are we good on that one, y 'all?

I think so.

Let's do.

I'm satisfied.

You want to do some space ones or you pick?

I don't matter.

Let's do a few questions and then we'll round this up.

OK, we don't know who answer who asked this question.

So it's by anonymous.

What will happen if there are any humans in space during the end times or tribulation?

Yeah.

So I just read these questions today and I thought that was super creative.

I have never.

I've never.

Well, because of like the SpaceX program, you know, like Elon Musk is taking people to space and like where

it's going to be like Xenon.

Do you guys ever anybody was Xenon?

You just made the space print.

No, it's a Disney movie, original Disney movie.

It was like this whole thing where this this it's a space community.

It's a space community.

And these people live in space, but there are still people inhabiting Earth.

It's called Wally.

No, but there are still people inhabiting the Earth.

That's based on true.

So you have like certain people living in space versus Wally is actually the future.

You know, like when, when, yeah, they're they're all like big and huge.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I rely on that because they're using something.

Oh, it's like, yeah, it's like predicting what's happening.

Yeah, that's the future.

Like, let's be real.

It's already.

But yeah, so there are actual people in space at the time.

So there's actual.

But OK.

Inhabiting.

The question is, what happens to people in space during the events of the end times?

Depends on what events you're talking about.

Oh, yeah, because it's like a whole like how many years?

Thousand.

Well, he does like the thousand year reign.

And then there's like all this stuff.

So it's a good chunk of time during the tribulation.

It says in time slash tribulation.

OK, so I guess either or.

They will not be immune to the.

Punishments that come on Earth.

Right.

I mean, but that's scripture specifically say those who are on Earth.

Yes.

OK.

But they are inhabitants of Earth.

Right.

I mean, I don't want to get too detailed.

But when you look at some of the punishments, when you look at some of the seals, some of the bowls,

some of the trumpets, et cetera, that are going to happen, those people will be returning to Earth in a

hurry because what will be coming in from the sky will be coming in from

space.

What will be coming in through the atmosphere?

They will be grounded to Earth very quickly.

Yes.

Right.

So there that will not be after the first couple of seals.

They will be returning to Earth and hiding with everyone else.

So do you have anything to add?

No.

OK.

Next question.

Does the Bible say whether or not we will ever live on another planet?

Kind of going with that question.

You want to go first for me?

Well, I don't know of any place where it's never read.

I've never even thought to ask that question either.

Yeah.

Like I said, these are like you said, these questions are very creative.

Say the question one more time.

Does the Bible say whether or not we will ever live on another planet?

OK, so isn't there somewhere in Scripture where it says God will create a new Earth?

Well, a new heaven and a new Earth.

Right.

That's after another planet, a recreation of this.

Right, right, right, right, right.

But we're just assuming that that's what they mean when they were assuming.

They mean Mars, Venus.

OK, so then, yes, definitely.

I don't know of anywhere in Scripture where it says about living on another planet.

No.

And you rightly brought up when she read that before we started airing about the Mormon thought

of God of your own planet.

Yeah.

God of your own planet.

That's just it's all about you.

There's nowhere in Scripture about that.

And yeah, it's always about you.

Oh, yeah.

No, I can't think of anywhere that it says that.

No, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to venture to the moon, the Mars, all that stuff.

And no, I can't think of anywhere in Scripture where it says like prophesize that will ever happen.

OK, next question.

What does the Bible say about the shape of the earth?

And what should we say to people that try to use the Bible as evidence of a flat earth?

I've heard this one many times.

I have not.

Mike Burkett must ask this question.

We love or Parker or Parker.

Ryan, not because he believes the earth is flat, but just please comment.

So I don't want to love you.

I don't want to.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth like those of the Genesis.

One is like the only scripture that I can think of that would even answer that question.

I don't want a monologue.

You know, isn't.

Is it in Job where he says something about the earth being spherical, though?

So that's right.

So in Job twenty six seven and Job twenty six seven, he says he hangs the earth on nothing.

But it doesn't say anything in Isaiah.

In Isaiah, he says God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth.

God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth.

So that's a scripture you would use to argue the flat earth.

Yes.

So so argument against it.

He sits enthroned.

Yes, yes.

That's what I meant.

Yes, yes.

Yes.

So on that one, though.

So I said that to Mike Burkett one time.

Yeah.

And he said, OK, yeah.

It does say circle, but can it be a flat circle?

And I was like, I mean, well, because a sphere.

No, but.

No, but that's I think.

That's an interesting question, though, like if it could still be flat and still be.

No, it couldn't, because then the rotation and the revolution of the earth around the sun and on its own axis would be

non -existent science.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, I know.

Well, and just with like the technology that we have.

It is all night.

That's assuming all of that is true.

It's even Psalm 19 where it talks about the course of the sun and how the sun comes from the east

and sets in the west.

That happens from even when we say sunrise and sunset, everyone understands.

We're actually not talking about the sun rising and sunset.

No, we are.

We are the ones moving like rotating.

So, no, that'd be silly.

The reason I say that's what I think.

I know the reason some people think that is because of some symbolism

in Isaiah where it says, for example.

God set the foundations of the earth.

He said it on pillars left.

Right.

The point of that is that God is the creator and set it in motion, not that there's literally pillars.

Right.

I mean, Job said that declared he hangs the earth on nothing.

Yeah, which, by the way, is an amazing comment for some gravity, for someone who

was a simple 10, 3500 years before the invention of a telescope.

Yeah, I mean, that's what we're talking about.

Wild.

OK, next question.

It kind of goes off of Job, but just on that real quick, just God

has given us the ability to know his creation.

The heavens declare the glory of God in the skies is handiwork.

This is not something that's up for debate.

We have pictures from space.

And that's what I don't get.

It's like the modern technology that we have.

And people but it's people can be presented with truth.

It's still what is someone that is.

Yes, that's true.

People think because we have more access to information, smarter that we have more information.

Now, every individual may have access to more information than before, but every person does not possess more information

than people before us.

I'm close, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

We're getting dumber.

We are getting dumber because we have a calculator in our pocket, like none of our teachers.

They still don't know how they built the pyramid.

We're going to be like Wally.

That's just one example, right?

Geniusness that we don't have, right?

I mean, I can't figure it out.

They still don't know.

They can't figure it out, either.

OK, so going back off of Job, when did the dinosaurs, dragons, Leviathan die?

We'll do this one as the last one.

You want to do this one last?

We'll do this one last.

Oh, OK.

Go ahead.

That was the question.

Say it again because I interrupted.

When did the dinosaurs, dragons, and Leviathan die according to Scripture?

OK, one more time.

I feel like...

I'm just kidding.

So would this be...

So we know that Scripture, like the first five books of the Bible,

precede Job, like Genesis precedes.

Or is Job...

When was Job written?

Because it happened before the flood, wasn't it?

Was...

Did Job happen before the flood or after the flood?

Because I feel like it's in correlation.

Is that right?

I sound like a complete idiot.

No, you don't.

Words are hard.

You've just asked four questions.

I know, words are hard.

I'm trying to think of how to phrase it.

We don't know when Job was written.

It was probably during the time of the patriarchs.

Which is when?

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph.

It could...

It could have been written pre -flood.

Though... I'm just going by, like, the dinosaurs because I was under the impression that the dinosaurs were

kind of killed off with the flood even though they did, like, two per...

That's plausible.

That's plausible.

But remember, we don't...

We can't know for sure when Job was written.

And the reason Anna's bringing that up is because someone may be listening and thinking, are there even dinosaurs in the Bible?

The answer to that would be plausibly not.

Dinosaur is a relatively modern word.

Right.

But there are descriptions of animals in Job 40 through 42 that

we may look at in a modern word dinosaur and say, that sounds like a dinosaur.

For example...

Like the tree trunk, the tail is...

The behemoth sounds like...

I only know to call them long -necked dinosaurs.

What are they actually called?

I don't know, but they remind me of...

Is it brontosaurus?

It's like a brachiosaurus.

Brachiosaurus.

Okay, whatever.

Just ask the people...

It just makes me think of Land Before Time.

Have you not seen Jurassic Park, bro?

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Makes me think of Land Before Time.

I'm talking about Jurassic Park.

You're not talking about Land Before Time.

They're both good.

Move on.

And Leviathan, fire breathing in the water, all that stuff.

They have the scales.

We don't know when Job was written, Anna.

There's a long answer to your question.

Bless you.

Thank you.

So, but why did you ask that question?

When was Job written?

Because I was...

I couldn't remember if it was written before or after the flood.

So...

That's why.

And I thought that flood was the answer to the question.

Well, it is a answer to the question.

The Bible doesn't say that...

The answer is the Bible doesn't say explicitly when...

What we would call dinosaurs died off.

The Bible doesn't say that.

So, we can only assume.

We don't have any direct revelation from God when that happened.

However...

No, go ahead.

I was going to say, I mean, just think about all the other animals that have gone extinct over, you know, the past, whatever.

And it could be because of the flood.

But again, with the flood, you had two of each kind of animal.

It wasn't of each...

Seven pairs of clean to one pair of unclean animals.

But the kind of animal, it's just like two dogs.

You don't have like two of the same, you know, the different breeds and stuff.

So, you have two kinds.

Two of the same kind.

That's right.

Two of the same kind.

That's exactly right.

For example, all the genetic information that would have been needed for every species breed of

dog that we see today would have been contained in those original animals.

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah.

But it is crazy.

But we can see some evidence of that.

Just very quickly.

If you have a child of two Olympic athletes, the percentage chance that that child will be athletic

is very high.

Okay.

So, when you have animals in a certain part of the world that develop these kind of traits in order to

survive, we have no problem with that type of what we would call

microevolution.

Meaning, the dog's still a dog.

Adaptation.

Just because they end up over generations having bigger muscles because they had to run further

distances, for example, is not a macro style evolution.

But we're getting off topic.

We need to have Dana on for that.

Yes.

That would be another fun one.

The Bible doesn't say when they became extinct, but it probably would be a

number of factors, including the flood.

Yeah.

But at any rate, there is a good little resource for that.

Answers in Genesis has a little tiny booklet, like I'm talking like this, called What Happened

to the Dinosaurs?

And it's pretty helpful with that.

And plus, they put out so much stuff for free.

They probably have 12 million things on that.

But yeah, there's reference to probably, probably what we would call dinosaurs in

the Bible, but it does not say when they disappeared.

All right.

You have anything, Dan?

What we got there, man?

I don't really know a whole lot about that subject.

Well, now you do.

That's okay.

I learned from Dana.

So real quick, Jurassic Park, let's think dinosaur movies for a

minute.

Jurassic Park, Land Before Time.

Can we throw in Matthew Broderick's Godzilla as a dinosaur movie?

Is that acceptable?

Absolutely not.

Matthew Broderick's Godzilla.

I never watched it.

That terrible movie?

Yeah, I didn't.

I'm talking about, is it a good movie?

Oh, okay.

Yeah, that was a question.

Okay, what's the question?

Sorry.

So are there any other dinosaur movies, or did Jurassic Park slash Jurassic World?

Dinosaur by Disney?

Yeah, you haven't seen the movie, have you?

The Good Dinosaur by Pixar?

Dinosaur with his tail and something like that.

No, Dinosaur doesn't have any music in it.

It's like, there's not a few movies.

Gosh, I hated that movie.

I don't know what you're talking about.

I haven't seen that one.

That's a weird one.

I used to love it when it first came out.

The Dinosaur movie by Disney?

I hated it.

I watched it like a few years later, and I'm like, all right, I get it.

Are there any other dinosaur movies?

The Good Dinosaur from Pixar?

I haven't seen any of them.

Are we talking about like, playback set movies?

Are we talking about?

Okay, Dinosaur.

Like, Toy Store doesn't count just because there's a dinosaur in it.

Because it has rats in it.

I mean, dinosaur movies.

I just gave it to you.

Okay.

So, yeah, The Good Dinosaur.

All right.

Dinosaur.

Dinosaur.

Just Dinosaur.

Land Before Time.

Jurassic Park, Jurassic World.

Land Before Time.

We'll just put Jurassic Park, Jurassic World.

I can't think of any more.

Why do you ask?

I'm just making sure that that is.

Well, there's only one that matters, though.

Land Before Time.

Jurassic Park.

Can I say something, though?

The first Jurassic World.

Is trash.

Disagree completely.

Is one of the best callback movies ever.

They did so good with references, callbacks to the original.

So, they drowned you in fan service.

Okay.

That's what that was.

All right, listen.

You can be with the other nerds behind the cameras next time if you want to.

What I'm saying is, it was a good movie.

And if you don't think so, I think you.

I have no comment because I don't watch.

You can be wrong.

It's okay.

I'm not wrong about this.

Jurassic Park.

Which one's the best?

Go ahead and say the third one.

That's not even a good movie.

The only one that matters is the first one.

The rest are, some of them are.

Of all six movies, you're saying the only one that's good is the first one.

Number three about the Velociraptors and the Pterodactyls.

You don't have to give me.

You think that's a good movie?

Yes.

I mean, I don't think it's.

I think the second one's not a good movie.

I wouldn't consider the third one bad.

It's the second one where they go to San Diego and like the T -Rex is loose in San Diego.

Yeah, that one's terrible.

That one's pretty.

I say the third one is a little bit better than the second one.

It's a lot better than the second one.

It's still not a good movie.

No, the third one is a good movie.

So.

Okay, fine.

I don't.

Okay, we'll say.

I'll say this.

I'm not going to say it's not a good movie.

I'm just going to say that I don't think it's a good movie.

Because I don't want to be like, oh, it's this or the other.

My personal preference.

Yeah, but there are some things that are objective, not subjective.

For example, if someone said my opinion is Lord of the Rings is a bad movie.

Your opinion doesn't matter anymore.

Absolutely, right?

Because your opinion is wrong.

Yeah, you either like Lord of the Rings or you're wrong.

Yeah, you're either a Christian.

Okay, too far.

Anyway, Dark Knight is one of the best movies ever made, if not the best.

It's definitely not the best, but I will agree.

It is one of.

It's a great movie.

The trilogy as a whole.

No, it's a great trilogy, too.

All right.

We good?

We're good.

How does Hunter normally end this?

Drop it in the comments.

Drop it in the comments.

Go to the Google thing.

I don't know what our email is.

I don't know what our email is.

Listen at Point Taken Christian Podcast dot com.

I don't know.

Listen.

Nick, please link it in the description.

Everyone is confused.

What is it?

Listen Point Taken Podcast at gmail .com.

I know that guy.

Listen Point Taken Podcast at gmail .com.

Please comment questions.

Send it to the email.

Yeah, how many more questions do we have?

I like a few.

Like at least three.

Like 47.

A few is three.

A few is three.

Yes, a few questions left, so we can answer those next week.

Okay, and then we need some more.

Yeah?

Yeah.

All right, you ready to do the thing?

He does.

Yeah.

I'm going to say deuces.

You have to say it with me.

I have to say what?

Deuces.

What?

D -U -E -C -E -S.

Sure.

Okay.

Is that right?

Yeah, I guess.

Deuces.

So, until next time.

Deuces.

No, like we'll do this.

Nick just takes out one sentence.

He just records it.

Out of context on purpose.

Don't have a child.