Matt Slick Live: June 18, 2024

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody. Welcome to the show. May the Lord bless you. I hope you have a good day listening on this wonderful June 18th, 2024.

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All right. Why don't we just jump on the calls? Let's get to Dorothy from Virginia. Hey, Dorothy, welcome.

You're on the air. Thank you, Matt. Hi. I have a question.

I lost my daughter last June, today would be, and I have a question about soul sweep.

And what I read, I don't believe it's biblical. I believe that, you know, you're conscious, and I just,

I think that your spirit goes back to the Lord. So I just wanted to hear from you.

Thank you. Well, first of all, my sympathy for losing your child.

I can certainly understand that, relate to it, and it's just hard.

So I do know, I know that you're in the karm chat and stuff like that, and a lot of good ladies there supporting you, and I praise

God for that. So okay. Now about soul sleep, coincidentally,

I spent about a half hour to an hour last night discussing it online. And soul sleep is not biblical.

It is a false teaching. I know there's a lot of people who assert that it is okay, but I'm going to show you why it's a big problem.

First of all, there's different kinds of soul sleep, but it's all around the same basic idea, that when a person dies, that his soul consciousness goes into a non -operating state.

So he's not thinking, not doing anything. Now when I ask questions about this to the soul sleep advocates, they're not used to the questions that I ask.

I'll say things like, it should be okay, the sound is not good, it should be okay.

What I'll do is, I'll say, you know,

I'll say, when, if there's any activity in the afterlife, when they die, they're just in a state of soul sleep.

If there is no activity, no thoughts, no nothing, which is what I was told last night, that's a huge, huge, huge problem.

So I was talking to these two guys, strong advocates of this position, and they were talking and saying, it is what the

Bible teaches, soul sleep. And they'd read these verses, the soul dies, the soul goes to sleep, or the people go to sleep.

And they just assumed they understood exactly what it meant in each context. They were very, very adamant, and also insulting and condescending.

And so I said, okay, I didn't tell them I was going to set them up, but I certainly was. And I said, let me ask you.

I said, are you sure that when the human soul, the human body dies, the human person dies, that his soul, consciousness, ceases to have activity, and there's nothing going on?

He said, that's right. I said, okay, then that's heresy, and here's why. Jesus himself has two natures, a divine nature and a human nature.

So now what he would be saying is that the human nature of Jesus then ceased to have function.

If that's the case, then it denies the hypostatic union as well as the communicatio ideomatum.

The first doctrine is a teaching that in the one person of Christ are two distinct natures. And the necessary doctrine along with it is the communication of the properties, which says that the properties of each nature are ascribed to the single person, so that Jesus, the one person, said,

I am thirsty, claiming human attributes, and I am bothered with you always to the end of the earth, that's claiming divine attributes.

So that's the one person who has the active attributes of both natures.

So if Jesus, when he died, his human nature went to sleep, then the properties of that nature are no longer ascribed to the person of Christ, and he cannot have that human attribution because there's no properties active.

And when there's no properties active in something, that something is dead and nonexistent. So this is a huge problem, and I don't know if you understand what

I just said, but it is absolutely heretical what your position was because of this. And the response was that I was just using philosophy, and I said, you claim that because you can't answer the challenge, and you wanted to dismiss it, instead of answering it biblically, you just say, you dismiss, oh, it's philosophy, and you just ignore it because you see the problem.

But nevertheless, that's what happened last night. So, soul sleep is not true. Furthermore, in 1

Samuel 28, the witch of Endor was asked by Saul to contact

Samuel, and Samuel really did appear. Now, if it's soul sleep, how come he was there? We can go to Matthew 17, where Elijah and Moses both appeared to Jesus.

Now, how could that be if soul sleep is true? Furthermore, in 2 Corinthians 12, 2 -4,

Paul says, I know a man whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know, but such a man was caught up into the third heaven.

So how is that possible if the soul is separate from the body?

Because they say when the physical body dies, the soul goes into unconsciousness. That means the soul is part of the body.

And so there's some other issues I could get into, but those are some of the reasons why it just doesn't work.

It's not true. Okay? That helps me so much. Thank you,

Matt. Thank you so much. You're welcome. And just put that to bed, to rest.

Let it die. Soul sleep is a false teaching. Amen. Thank you,

Jesus. Thank you, Matt. You're welcome. All right. Well, God bless. Amen. So, yes,

I was having this discussion with these guys last night, and man, they were adamant. And when I presented this argument to them about the relationship with Christ and his two natures, literally, now

I was saying, heresy begets heresy. So I said, this is what it teaches.

They said, it's just philosophy. And I said, wait a minute, do you affirm or do you deny that Jesus has two natures, a human nature and a divine nature?

And they wouldn't answer. They said, that's just human philosophy. We only go by what the Bible says,

Colossians 2, 9, for in him dwells all the fullness of deity and bodily form. So do you affirm it or not?

They wouldn't do it. So what they were then doing was denying the hypostatic union in order to hold on to their pagan philosophy.

And that's what was going on there. So much heresy, so little time. Let's get to Jamal from North Carolina.

Jamal, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Mr. Slick. All's pleasure, sir.

Thank you. I wanted to ask two questions.

One will be a quick, possible softball one. Second one will be, I don't know, possibly, there might be softballs for the second one as well.

Do I have time for two quick ones right now? Sure. Go ahead. All right.

The first one is, when you're praying, do you always have to say in Jesus Christ's name? No. Do you always have to say in Jesus Christ's name?

No. People prayed in the Old Testament, and they never said in Jesus' name, and the prayer was certainly valid. They called upon the name of the

Lord. They beseeched the Lord. They entreated the Lord. They cried out, called upon, and it was never in Jesus' name.

Now, when Jesus teaches us to pray in Matthew 6, 9,

I'll go to it, he says, pray this way, our Father, heart, and heaven, et cetera, it doesn't say in Jesus' name.

The reason that we do, we say that because there's a phrase, if you go to Acts 4, 7, it says, they placed them in the center.

They began to inquire about what power or in what name have you done this? And Peter, filled with the

Holy Spirit, said to them, rulers and elders of the people on trial today, et cetera, et cetera. It's by the name of Jesus Christ at Nazareth whom you crucified, et cetera.

So he's saying, in the name of is by the authority of. So when we pray, we say, in Jesus' name, which

I always do. And the reason I do is because, for me, it's a closure of the prayer, but it doesn't make the prayer valid.

Because what if you're praying to God in your bed, you're going to sleep, and you're praying, and you're praying, and you just drift off to sleep, but you don't say, in Jesus' name, oh, the prayer doesn't work.

You know, it doesn't work like that, okay? Yeah, okay. And you know what,

I was almost kind of specific to what I was wondering about, because it has happened a few times, either passed out, or a daydream of, oh,

I didn't finish it out in Jesus Christ's name. I guess I have to start all over. So that's good to hear that.

Yeah. All right. The second one is, I know the reasons why

I tell people why it's good to switch over to Christianity, but I wanted to get your take on it.

I didn't hear everything. Something about switching to Christianity, or could you repeat that? Yeah, I have my reasons why

I tell people to switch over to Christianity, but I wanted to get your take on why you think it's good for people to switch over to Christianity.

Because it's true, because Jesus is God in flesh, because Jesus fulfilled prophecy and said that he's the way, the truth, and the life, and that without him, you'll suffer eternal damnation,

Matthew 25, 41 and 46, Mark 3, 29. So that's why you need to come over to Jesus, plus it glorifies

God for a person to do that. And we're created for his glory, Isaiah 43, 7, okay?

Yeah, those are pretty good. Just to give you a little flavor on what I say, I say, well, you know, what do you do with your guilt?

I do mention about eternal salvation. Also, I say it's just a better lifestyle here, while we're all on this earth, to be a

Christian in many different facets. Then it's just a personal fulfillment.

You just have the Holy Spirit living in you, and it comes out, and you are a genuinely happier person, and you have purpose, and you, you, everything makes sense.

Yeah, go ahead. Because, the reason I'm asking is because are you, now here's something to think about, are you teaching something that, or might you be saying something that a

Mormon could agree with, or a Catholic could agree with? Oh, man. Oh, yeah, that's good.

Let me see. Just a thought, you know. I would say, I would say no, because you can't get fulfillment through Mormonism, through Joseph Smith.

You can't get fulfillment through Buddha, because Buddha hasn't lived. There's only one community, there's only one. Well, wait a minute.

Many Mormons and Buddhists feel very fulfilled. I'm quizzing you. I'm gonna get you to some places a little slowly if you don't mind.

Okay, so Okay, I'll burn a little bit more because fulfillment is subjective

Right so I can be fulfilled like me I get fulfillment by studying cults

For me, that's fulfillment for others. That would be torture for them. It might be going to a sports game for me

That would be torture. So Fulfillment is so subjective So what's something non -subjective that is also true

Yeah, I'm trying to point you just All right, okay The reason we want to become

Christians because God himself is the one who tells us what he wants us to know for him and In his will and work

Jesus Christ God in flesh died on the cross rose from the dead and through faith in him You will be saved from the righteous judgment of God and that's by faith alone in Christ alone in no other way now

That restricts that'll get rid of all the other false religious systems and this is for the glory of God That's the ultimate reason.

Otherwise, we might be promoting what's called Moralism be good because being good is good

Yeah, trust Jesus because being trusting Jesus is as good thing to do it isn't but there's more so hold on be a break

Okay, hold up buddy. Hey folks be right back after these messages, please stay tuned

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All right good Let's get back on with Jamal. Hey Jamal. Welcome, man. You're back on buddy Yes, sir.

Thank you. Appreciate it. All right So where were okay. Did that help a Little it did.

I think you were going to talk about I'm not going to moralism with my argument there

See the reason I say this is because I got taught a really big lesson in seminary when I preached a sermon He had to do it for class

It was really hard to do you preach a sermon for any of yours your peers and get graded, right? but I preached and Though the professor and I ended up over his house talking about it

And long story short He said Matt could your sermon have been preached in a Mormon Church or Jehovah's Witness Church without any change would they have accepted early?

and That opened my eyes because I said to him, you know what? You're right. It could he said then what's wrong with it?

and I said man that it's such a good it was so good and So it really helped me so we want to be able to ultimately point people to Christ So that it's not

So easily acceptable by Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses Roman Catholics and stuff in that they'll just agree

That doesn't mean that every single statement has to have a theologically precise subdomain you know a hundred and fifty words the dissertation of what this means and that means is a you know, but You know, you say look you need

Jesus, you know, and he's God in flesh which that negates the Jehovah's Witnesses You know what? He's there's only one true

God and that and then you say that negates Mormonism and that we're saved by grace through faith in Christ that negates

Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism and They say and this glorifies

God when we trust in him, which is the greatest thing you can do and then people go. Oh So that's just a little comment there, okay

Now I hit you with a lot of Suggestions, but here's one more. I hope you receive it.

Well, okay. Do you have like a theology book for dummies? You know like yes

Yes, I do Yes, there's a couple things you can do one is you can go to Now one you pay for one

Well, both are gonna have to I guess when we have on the schools and it's a theology school

We charge $33 each For the three schools, which is $99.

But if you get all three first you do $75. That's what we do But we also say

I say this, you know, we're not people think we're just in it for the money making money No, no. No, we gotta pay the bills. We got to keep the lights on pay the missionaries.

So we need donations. We really do but what I say is that if anybody out there wants the schools and You can't afford them just Just email us.

It's all you got to do just say can I have one school or all three of them? I can't afford it. We don't ask any questions.

We don't care. You just say that and we'll send you a free access to the schools

Lifetime, okay, and you go to learn dot calm org learn dot calm org

And that's where the schools are and you can do it that way and so just let you know All right, and the other thing you can do and with this

I don't know about right now but Hold on one sec Because we're gonna be revamping this the store

We have a store. So I'm looking at the car website and the shop page. We're gonna be redoing it next month sometime

That's the that's the goal. So I have something called the basic Christian doctrine bundle. It's for $45 and you get a teaching manual student manual a

DVD and Then there's a PDF download that you get for $15 that's supposed to work

So if you try it doesn't work. Let us know we we discovered some problems and we don't know which the problems

We're just redoing the whole thing. We're gonna go to a different system and we and I have to do it myself And it's gonna take a while So those that's it or and or you can just go through the calm org website

Go to the Christian theology section, which I'll do right now Christian theology And then doctrine and theology you go there and all the articles you need are right there

Okay, you just go through start reading All right So yeah,

I need to have a reference tool for this stuff. Well sometimes Yeah Carry around with me also

There you go. Okay, we'll try this if you go to Google Docs because you can do this on your phone, too

You go to Google Docs and You create an outline and what you learn you put in your outline so that you can always have it on your phone

Also, you can Google Docs and so, you know, like my article. What is the gospel?

You know, I'm looking at it in the doctrine section. Well, you know, the gospel is a singularly most important and then

Get some noise in the background or man and then You can read through and take a paragraph or whatever it is that you like that fits what you need and you copy it you put it into your document and then you just do with every topic

Trinity, you know salvation whatever and you just start putting in an outline form and Then what happens is you always got it

You go someplace and you know, you can edit the document you can read it. Okay, it's easy

Yeah, that's a good idea. I'm gonna have to I've been done that before.

I think actually I think I accidentally did that I was wondering why I had documents on my phone.

So I got to figure out how to purposely do that Good idea. It is a good idea.

Even if I do say so myself, it's a good idea It's what

I do I have Google Docs, but I also do this for example I have my logos

Bible program Which I've had for 20 some odd years and I have it on my phone and my phone is one of those phones that folds out

It's a galaxy note 5 or galaxy fold 5 so, you know, it's it's big and Yeah, it's fancy.

Well, I you I can justify it because I'm Researching and so what I do is I have

Microsoft Notes I put stuff in there and I'll transfer into other stuff. But what I can also do is access all of my notes that I create in my my

I Don't use the Google Docs. I do that. I Computer very I'm very computer literate.

And so I use other stuff but What I've done also has gone to my longest program program

I've taken my notes from my Catholicism page and put them in to the program So there's a little yellow folder as click on it

My notes pop up on each and every verse that I've examined and studied So there's different ways of doing stuff.

I should do a little course on how to do this, you know different options I didn't want to say that but I was thinking that Yeah, it's yeah, it's not hard And I used to build computers and teach computers and teach, you know office and Word Excel and all that stuff

I love computers. I love them. I would marry them. That's how much I love

All right Appreciate it sir, and I take care and God bless

You too. John. God bless man. All right. Hey folks. He's right back after these messages, please stay tuned

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Matt slick All right, I've been welcome back to the show at the bottom of the hour if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six

Let's get to a more from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air Hey Matt, how are you?

I Almost listen to every day I'm not the first time caller.

I have called you before I Really one of the thing I admire you. I'm listening to your

Previous caller and other colors. You're really patient and help explain

I admire you for that that you you really explain you how to do that. You are good

I don't have much of that back. But anyway, I will cut to the chase in here. I want your take on this.

I know I Had a lot of preachers. It is listen to other Ministry Internet and the region everything especially you

I know we have to obey The one with authority like the government the police the sheriff

Because God allowed them to be there Ordained them to be there. Whatever so we have to Follow to the authority.

Okay. Well, I get that I agree with that. Hmm, but I think sometime the government or The law enforcement do bad things.

Of course some government even do ungodly things No You know what?

I mean, and then I'm not even go back to the Roman Empire to the Greek I'm not even go farther that way.

It's too far for that I will just go to our foundation of our country Which is we rebel against King George that time is the one with the authority when they rebel in Massachusetts and everything

Washington and everything, you know, that's what the country was born What's your question

Well, my question my question is I'm glad you asked that you So my question when do we gonna obey the government or the authority

How do how we gonna obey them if some of them even do ungodly things?

How do we do that? Okay. So the issue is is when should we disobey the government, right?

No, but Sometime if the if the police is doing wrong or the okay

Hold on. I need it. I need a question. Okay, so what's your so my question will be

Is when is the time? When is the right time or biblical or God way to protest the one with authority if they doing it wrong?

To Protest that that specific verb means Implies the idea of going to petition getting out in front of the police with signs

Like Fathers when they find the breathing the

King George and the British I'm trying to get you to a question though.

I understand about King George. I understand about the Civil War I know I don't know the Revolutionary War and things like that.

I've written on this very topic So I'm not exactly sure what your question is When are we when are we according to God or according to the

Bible? Are we allowed to? Are we allowed to protest grievance if this if a government or a town or a government's doing wrong

Even good Okay. Yes, we are. We're supposed to resist evil.

And if our government is doing evil, we are to resist it We're not to follow in line. There is a book

I'd recommend called the doctrine of a lesser magistrate the doctrine of the lesser magistrate and it's a good book that goes through this issue and Let me see.

It's who is it by it's by Matthew True hella, it's a very well -written book and it goes through the issue of the obligation of Christians to Risk what's necessary risk even their security for justice and righteousness

Christians are called to do this. Jesus even said in Luke 22 36 He sent the disciples out and said by a sword

But as he knew every persecution and he knew we had the right of self -defense as Christians were obligated to defend people and we need to as Christians stand up and protest the murderous abortion stuff the oppressive alphabet mob

We need to do this but too many Christians are just comfortable with just being on a

Sunday morning Pew and that's that's their Christianity. They don't know they're called more than that and that's just something

I've talked about frequently But yes, we are supposed to resist Evil and not stand up for it.

Even if it means Risking ourselves. Here's a quote from that book that I think is really good the interposition of the lesser magistrate

Requires a willingness to risk personal security for the sake of justice.

Okay This is the kind of thing that Christians need to be taught from pulpits

Among other things not Jesus has a wonderful plan for your life pre -trib rapture.

We're gonna get out of here. It's gonna be fine He's a blonde hair black occasion surfer dude wants to have a nice life and everything be healthy, you know

You know, it's just not what that's not what we're called to in Christianity But this was being taught because it tickles the ears of people.

But anyway, go ahead Sorry So tell me the name of the book again, Matt the doctrine of the lesser magistrates the doctrine of the lesser magistrates okay, a proper resistance to tyranny and repudiation of unlimited obedience to civil government

About that Okay, I will check that and Matt. Thank you for your always

Taking my call and continue what you do in a bless you many. Have a nice day. I will listen to my radio.

Okay Thank you All right, just to review that book

I do recommend people read it the doctrine of the lesser magistrates the doctrine of the lesser magistrates and copyright to 2013 by Matthew true.

Hello. T -r -e -w H -e -l -l -a, I do recommend that every

Christian be educated on our duties as Christians to resist evil and even at the

The risk of our own safety. This is what we're called to do as Christians I know people don't want to hear this because it's not comfortable and it's not coochie -coochie -coo theology

Oh, well too bad. Let's get to Carl from Ohio Carl. Welcome you on the air Hello Just have a quick I guess a quick statement.

I called him to a show. I think it was somebody Brown. Dr Brown show I called in and I was just inquiring about Rick Warren ordaining female pastors and You know,

I guess we're congregations and man. He I mean he just like went off of me. I wasn't expecting it.

I wasn't Trying to be rude. I just want to know what he thought of it He went off of me told me I probably wasn't saved

He started mentioning women that worked in the Bible like, you know, Phoebe Dorcas I'm like, yeah, but they weren't pastors and he just cut me off and he was his real curve with me very smart

So I assume that he and Rick Warren are friends and just I'm just gonna listen to what you think of that and I'm gonna go

Thank you much. Well, no, hold on. Hold on, man We can talk a little bit afterwards women are not to be pastors and elders and Rick Warren should not be ordaining women as pastors and elders for him to do that As in rebellion against the

Word of God, I will probably I challenge him if wants to take take it up. Take me up with it Dr.

Brown and Rick Warren. I'll challenge them to debates public debates on this issue

Does the Bible support women pastors and elders and that's it? I will do that I'd be glad to go through and do that I've been offering this debate for anybody will take it for about 20 years or so in the radio

I don't know how long a long time and No takers yet. So Rick Rick Warren is in my opinion in sin for rebelling against the clear teaching of the

Word of God Yes, I know about Dorcas and Phoebe and and and And stuff but those are not just like you said are not the issues of being pastors and elders

So yeah, they are in rebellion and I would call you know, I would and we'll call him

I do have dr. Ralph's number, but I would say no, he's mistaken in this.

He's wrong. Okay? If he holds to that position and you can go because he's gone

So if dr. Brown affirms women pastors and elders, I would say no that is against scripture

He needs to repent of that the same with Rick Warren. He needs to repent of that as well Women are not to be pastors and elders.

I can give you an in -depth study on that. I've written a lot on it I defend it and maybe

I'll talk about this after the break to a break coming up here in a minute or so, but Look ladies and gentlemen, I'm not against women.

I'm not against women being able to do things. That's not what the issue is It's just what the Bible teaches and the

Bible teaches women is not to teach or exercise authority over a man but remain silent and That's just how it is.

It goes into the elders I can go into all this stuff about the elders being the husband of one one woman women can't do that and so we have to understand something this is not just an issue of patriarchy as Unfortunately too many

Christians. I don't know what these guys are doing But too many Christians take their doctrinal finger put up in the air and see which way the doctrinal winds blowing and then they go

That way that's not how we're to stand as Christian men were to stand on the Word of God That's what it says on in the

Bible in the Word of God And so we're to stand on that and anybody who rebels against that needs to be corrected and rebuked.

That's what needs to happen This is a serious issue 80 % is my personal research that I've done and they did three four or five years ago 80 % of the denominations and churches that adopt women pastors within two generations

Start approving of homosexuality and the reason is because we're not taking the Word of God seriously in that particular area

And they're bowing to the sensibilities of the world and not scripture That's what I believe about that whole thing now if you want to give me a call about it eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six be right back

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Matt slick All right, welcome back to the last segment of the show here on Let's see

Tuesday, June 18th. I just felt like saying that. All right, let's get to Gordon from Charlotte, North Carolina Gordon Welcome, you're on the air

Thanks, Matt, I grew up in a Christian family parents were missionaries for 25 years in the

Philippines and Why I ran with the devil for 30 years and got saved 10 years ago, and I listened to you from time to time

Wanted to call last week because I hear you from time to time and just wanted to call

I don't know how many calls you get like this, but just to encourage you because You speak truth and you use the word to back it up and the last gentleman that called about You know women being ordained and that the

Bible certainly backs that up, but you know not not to dig in the weeds on that I just People that listen to you,

I think they know the truth when they hear it and If not, the Holy Spirit will guide them.

I had a good quote today. I heard from Alistair Begg this morning Which I think is worth repeating

Truth is no good unless it's softened by love Love is no good unless it's hardened by truth.

And I like that. That's good I know you give all grace to Jesus and I know you point to him. I've heard you many times and And Just wanted to let you know here in Charlotte I pray for you and praise you that you're getting the word out because we're just here planting seeds

So this is from an old retired 60 year old business guy That's been saved by the blood of Christ 10 years ago

And I have a word for your listeners that if you haven't tried Jesus give him a chance man.

It's um, I Did everything in the book for 30 years had all the world to offer Lear jets big house still have a lot of that at the same time

You'll never find you'll never find peace fulfillment or happiness Because the world doesn't offer it the

Satan is a liar So that's what my call is for that.

That's right. Okay. Well good praise God man. Appreciate you listening and keep listening.

Yeah Okay, I do I do you bet right praying for you

Matt. Love you, man Thanks. You're a plus. Okay. Okay. Bye.

Bye. All right. All right. I like that. That's good Let's get to Glenn from Virginia. We got calls coming in right now.

Let's get to it Oh, let's ride. I gotta say something about the debate on Saturday Eric gonna we'll get to Eric next but go ahead

Glenn go ahead. What do you got buddy? um, I Want to I have a question because um, you know,

I believe in the gospel and I've had people Ask me this question if Jesus is in the bloodline of David How he how is he connected to the bloodline of David?

If he can't be if he's not if he doesn't have a earthly mother and a earthly father

No, he has our earthly mother Mary. I mean, yeah, but no earthly father

Correct, but I have an article written on this on karma. Okay, if you go to karma Why are there different genealogies for Jesus in Matthew 1 and Luke 3?

what I do is I present the journey genealogy in Luke the genealogy in Matthew and present them in two paragraphs at the top and then

Mary is from Luke and Joseph is from Matthew and both the genealogies of Luke and Matthew You can trace them back to Abraham, but they they they diverge after David and So then it goes

Through one of the other and then you can check it out. All right, that's what it is. All right Okay now

Where is that found in the Old Testament? The verses are there And so you can go and look on that article and you'll see the genealogy

What's listed, all right, it's right there, okay All right, can

I ask one more question real fast we've got a couple guys waiting what's up, okay the

Sabbath day if you are You know a believer and and Jesus are we to keep the

Sabbath? Yes, and no if you want to keep the Sabbath and keep it You're not obligated to keep it

Sabbath is technically on Saturday But the Christian Church moved from Saturday to Sunday calling it the

Lord's Day because that's the day that Jesus rose from the dead in 1st Corinthians 16 2 They're gathering together hearing a message

They're tithing and things like that on the first day of the week on Sunday And that's the how the early church did it as well

So you're free to be able to worship on Saturday or Sunday and you go to Romans chapter 14 verses 1 through 12

For that particularly in verse 5 which says each man must be fully convinced in his own mind and is talking about Sabbath days and first and furthermore

Colossians 216 or 217 or to get to the seventh quarter this one in a long time washes to 1716 therefore let no one act as your judge in in regard to food or drink or nurse respect to a

Festival which is yearly a new moon, which is monthly or a Sabbath day, which is weekly

No one can judge you on that and you go to Romans 14 verse 5 and it says this it says

One person regards one day above another that it regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind

So you can worship on the Sabbath or not worship on the Sabbath But you should really have one day of the week that you set aside

And for the things of God and rest I think that's good for you, okay Wasn't he talking to that was

Saul talking to the Gentiles. All right That was Paul speaking to the

Christian Church. Yeah speaking of the Christian Church. Okay. Yeah All right

Okay, go check check it out buddy. All right, man. God bless All right.

Now Let's get to Eric, I think I know who this guy is. Hey Eric, how you doing, man? Hey, Matt, how are you?

Doing all right doing all right keep forgetting to Mention everything on the radio get going.

So that's why you're calling. I know go ahead fill us in what's going well I mean, you're gonna be here on Saturday at the

Utah Christian Research Center in Draper, Utah I know for a lot of people in the south That doesn't mean a lot unless they want to fly out

But you and your friend Andrew Rappaport are going to be talking about the charismatic gifts

Are they for today? And I just wanted to let your people know that we have limited seating but they can come they can look at our website

Utah Christian Research Center comm and they can see the schedule there

I don't think we put the debate on there yet because we're kind of we're thinking that's going to be filled out

So but if your people want to come 530 is when the door opens and then six o 'clock is when the debate starts to our debate and It's gonna be friendly because you guys are friends and that's the way an in -house debate ought to be look, well, yeah till after the debate

No, Andrew and I have we've warred about different things like buying each other dinner and stuff like that for years So, yeah,

I know you have about 35 room for 35 what if there's more people shows up then what We are gonna have to close the doors because the fire marshal won't we just have a limited room

So yeah, if they want to they want to see this they probably will need to come earlier We are going to try to film it and it will be it's not going to be live stream, but it will be up later but yeah,

I think it's going to be an interesting time and For people to be able to meet you, you know in a intimate setting really and then

Andrew is speaking all that week Thursday Friday and Saturday morning three times each on Thursday and Friday and twice on Saturday morning and they can go to Utah Christian Research Center Calm and they can see the times if they're in the

Utah area I know a lot of people here are listening on 820 a .m And if they wanted to come we have this wonderful Center one mile off the freeway

It's within an hour of 75 % of the entire state of Utah the population 75 % of the people can be here in one hour

We're so central. So you've been here before and spoken here But yeah, we're we're looking forward to having

Andrew come and having you and him dialogue on an important issue well, you know,

I got a suggestion for everybody when they meet Andrew just tell him that he owes me a lunch and See what he says.

Oh Man classic the way you guys do. I'll tell you what I'm gonna barbecue for you on Saturday if you get here early enough before the debate

So come and welcome to some barbecue. Well wanted to come down on Friday. So I'm gonna bring a guy we're gonna

Yeah, it's just easier that way, you know can sleep in Because if because if we're coming down on Saturday and there's a road closer, we're gonna have problems

So I just I'll come down. Yeah. Oh, all right And and so we look forward to having you come and yeah

I just I hope that those of you the people who are listening in Utah would Make it over here and get a chance to meet you and in here what the debate is all about Yeah, now what are we gonna do afterwards?

People I think we should answer I think we're gonna have to debate more all the way through the night, you know

I mean, we'll come over to my backyard and we'll we'll have a great discussion. But yeah, it'll be a fun time

Good time to fellowship Yeah, you have a nice big house too. So you're very hospitable and I tell people could we had nobody waiting right now

I tell people about you guys you and Terry what you did how you opened up your house to us when

Anik needed my wife Don't know my wife's name Anik when she needed open -heart surgery how you opened up your home and displaced yourself for what three weeks

Well, we do the process and everything. I'm really I still appreciate it. I mean, well, it's well

Matt I always tell you you would have done the same thing So we lived it what 20 minutes away from where the surgery took place and so it made obvious sense so yeah, we we love having you guys and we love

Anik and I haven't seen her in a while we'd love to someday be able to see her again, but Yeah, we love you guys

She wants to go but she hasn't decided she can make it because of the drive So right one.

It's alone for her. Yeah. Yeah and put plus being stuck in a car with me. That's not good

When the debate gets up online We'll make sure that your people know about it so they can they can watch it and it'll probably be a couple weeks because we

Edit the tapes and everything. So we'll get that up and people will be able to see that later

But yeah, it's a live debate is a lot of fun. All right, so you edit them So if I slip you some cash, will you make me look better on the edits?

I'll put Mickey Mouse I'll put Mickey Mouse on the tape there, so And then

I'll make you sound really princely That'd be good. That'd be good. We all the open get yeah, it's gonna be fun.

It's gonna be fun. Yeah. Well good All right. Okay So, all right.

I just wanted to call and let your people know and thanks for letting me Advertise your your your dialogue debate with with Andrew Oh, yeah

And you should remember you're always welcome to call in prompt to whatever and say what's going on with MRM and just let me know

It's no problem. You always get there. Oh, you know, all right. Well people in Utah Make your way over to the

Utah Christian Research Center. We're on Google Maps We're easy to find and we have a

Bible Museum here. We have a Christian bookstore. We have displays on the

Book of Mormon the first vision and other things like that We we just put up a poster of the 33 wives of Joseph Smith.

That's up on our wall right now We just put that up a few weeks ago. So we're adding things regularly here

We have a 1615 Geneva Bible 1634 King James Bible We've got archaeology here.

It's just a lot of fun. We're gonna teach you some things when you come through. We'll give you a tour And you it looks really good.

I said the bill when he took me through I said you did this He goes, thanks, man

But because it looks so good Bill McCabe er did a great job He's a visionary and he yeah when he saw the building we ended up purchasing the whole first floor of this building and He already knew what he wanted to do before we ever sat down and talked

So now he did a great job of laying it out and together We've got some great things here.

And then this the room is not huge 35 people is all we can fit But but it's every

Saturday morning. We're having Seminars here and it's working out great different local pastors are coming and speaking.

I love that. That's great. Okay God bless. There's music. We've got to go talk to you later. Eric. We'll see you.

God bless All right Everybody that was Eric Johnson from mrm .org

and hey by his grace. We'll back on tomorrow. We'll talk to you then Another program powered by the truth