'Vestigial Organs' by Bill Morgan

And this is where we all pray and hope and wait.

It looks like it's going to work out this week.

So let's get going.

Okay, I'm Terri Camerizell and here on behalf of Creation Fellowship Santee, we're a

group of friends bound by our common agreement that the creation account, as told in Genesis, is a true

depiction of how God created the world and all life in six 24 -hour days,

about 6 ,000 years ago, give or take.

We've been meeting in this online platform since May of 2020.

In fact, our speaker tonight was the first speaker that we had in this platform.

We were meeting at the Creation Earth History Museum in Santee, California for about 10 years before

that.

But we've been blessed in this online format to have many speakers come and share with us their

presentations, their ideas, and works and ministries over the last

almost four years.

So you can find links to most of our past presentations by typing in

tinyurl .com forward slash cfsarchives.

That's c like creation, f like fellowship, s like Santee.

And you can also find a link to our upcoming speakers.

We have quite a few scheduled out for the first half of 2024, so that's a blessing as well.

And if you'd like to get on our email list, we promise not to spam you, but we will invite you to all of our upcoming presentations.

You can email us at creationfellowshipsantee at gmail .com.

So tonight we have with us Bill Morgan.

Bill Morgan has been a mechanical design engineer for the U .S. Navy for 29 years.

He also leads the creation science fellowship of Calvary Chapel West Grove in Garden Grove, California.

Before founding the creation science fellowship of Calvary Chapel West Grove, Bill served

as vice president of the former creation science association of Orange County for nearly a decade and a

half.

He has developed a comic book format which communicates creation versus evolution issues that are

easily understood by junior high and high school students.

Bill frequently stands on public sidewalks outside public schools passing out comic books to eager students.

Bill has publicly debated nine, at last count, evolutionists and has delivered more than

1 ,000 talks on creation versus evolution to youth groups, university classrooms, and adult

groups across California and in other states.

And in this online format, he's been our most frequent guest, so he's actually reached the world.

For more information about Bill's comic books and free lessons, please visit fishdontwalk

.com.

So with that, we're going to turn it over to Bill.

Tonight we're going to have a very interactive presentation, so you might hear other voices answering the questions.

And if you're watching on the live stream, you can answer in your own homes as well.

All right, well thank you very.

Much for having me, Terry.

As you said, I am a mechanical engineer and creation brought me to the Lord.

I was an atheist for many, many years.

When I was 14, they taught me the theory of evolution.

I loved science.

I trusted my teachers.

I believed it and rejected the Bible because I knew evolution contradicts with Genesis

chapter 1.

But when I was 26, I got the creation evidence that the eight -man chart does not have any

fossil evidence for it, and here I am today.

And it's an honor to be here.

And a real quickie that I love to share with people is one of the secrets of life.

Every time, everybody listening here, every time you feel depressed, discouraged, or anxious,

immediately thank God for three things.

If you're in a traffic jam and you're upset, say, dear God, thank you for my fingernails.

Thank you for my eyes.

Thank you for food.

Spend your mind on thankfulness and not worry, and you'll have a better life.

Be thankful to God.

Now, would you like me to share my screen now, Terry?

Oh yes, yes, please do.

This is perfect time.

All right, let me make that.

Okay, can you see that, Terry?

Yes, yes, we can.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Vestigial organs.

The definition of vestigial is an organ or part of the body that has become functionless

in the course of evolution.

So the definition assumes the theory of evolution is true, but it's something that has become

useless or functionless because of evolution.

One of my favorite things to do is to speak in a high school Bible studies.

Years ago, I was at Marina High School in Huntington Beach, and I like to go for two weeks.

The first 15 -minute session is I do my lesson, and the second week I do question and

answer.

So I did my lesson at Marina.

I came back the next week, and there was an adult teacher putting papers on every chair that said evolution is

wonderful.

And I was following him and putting my creation stuff on top of his, and I asked him, I said,

do you believe the theory of evolution is true?

He said, absolutely.

And all the kids' heads turned.

And I said, would you like to have a public debate in front of the whole high school?

And he said, absolutely not.

And I said, you're smart.

And he said, why do you say that?

I said, I'd never debate what you believe in public either.

So anyways, I was teaching my lesson, and one of the students picked up his

paper, and he said, I have a question.

I go, yes.

And he was reading it.

He goes, if evolution is not true, why do humans have tails?

One of my favorite debate tactics is to have people explain bad ideas.

So the student said we have tails, and I asked him, what do you mean we have tails?

And he said, well, you know, we have tails.

I said, what do you mean we have tails?

And he didn't know.

I said, well, I know what you're talking about.

You're talking about something called the coccyx.

And the coccyx is at the end of our spine, and evolutionists think it's a

remnant of having a tail.

So I stole this from Kent Hovind, and I asked the young man a question.

I said, at the end of our spine, we have the coccyx.

You said it's useless, right?

And the kid said, yes.

I said, I'll give you $2 ,000 cash if you have yours removed surgically.

I have an audience here.

Would you take the $2 ,000 to have it removed?

And he looked scared a little bit, and he said, no.

I said, absolutely not, and no surgeon would do it anyway.

I said, very important ligaments attached to your coccyx.

If you remove it, you will not be able to go to the bathroom.

You won't be able to control your bowels.

You won't be able to urinate, and you won't be able to reproduce.

Is it a useless vestige?

And he shook his head, no.

I said, absolutely not.

It's very important.

But they teach these kids, oh yeah, you don't need it, but they don't teach the details.

So here's an article from a doctor of chiropractic, and I'm going to zoom in here in a little bit

of what she said, and it's even peer -reviewed.

This doctor, Lisa Covey, said the coccyx is a triangular arrangement of bone that makes up the

very bottom portion of the spine below the sacrum.

It is the final segment of the vertebral column and represents a vestigial tail.

Hence the common term tailbone.

So she's calling it vestigial.

Her very next paragraph, the coccyx is an integral part of the pelvis, which is

vital to essential activities like moving from sitting to standing, walking,

eliminating waste, sexual intercourse, and childbirth.

So I'm going to go back up.

Our Lord made a tiny piece of a bone at the end of her spine that serves seven vital

functions.

Praise the Lord.

And what a shame the schools are teaching the students that these things are useless.

The schools should be teaching good science that points to a designer.

So if I were to meet her, I would say, is it vestigial or is it vital and essential?

My guess is she'd say both.

What a shame.

There's a little diagram of it and very many important ligaments attached to the

coccyx.

As you can see, it's an anchor point.

Very important, not vestigial.

Here's another quote.

It serves as an important site of attachment for multiple pelvic floor structures, which include

parts of the gluteus maximus, coccygeus muscles.

I don't know if I said that right.

As well as the acolygenal ligament.

I'm an engineer, which extends between the coccyx and the anus.

This is from YouTube.

It says, well, it used to be a tailbone, but now it serves some important functions.

Now it does, but it used to be a tailbone.

It's always been a wonderful design by a wonderful creator.

Terry, you can quiz somebody.

Who's this guy?

Bill, can you hit the presentation button?

You might need to change what screen you're sharing because we're seeing your PowerPoint window, but not

the presentation.

We see vestigial organs.

That's all we see.

Can you see me now?

Oh, yeah.

Wait, the slides haven't changed?

No.

Now we see the new slide, but it's still, we see it in the container of PowerPoint,.

Not the actual presentation.

No, we went over that already.

He.

Doesn't know how to make it to be a slideshow.

Okay.

Well, the slides haven't changed, so now they change.

Now I see we're on the right.

No, you've only seen one slide?

Yes, only one slide.

Yes.

Okay.

I'm going to rip through them just real quick.

Definition, something that's become functionalist in the course of evolution.

Marina High School.

There's the coccyx down at the bottom, the tailbone, and this lady, a

doctor of chiropractic said it's a vestigial tail, and now it's vital and

essential to activities, standing, sitting, walking, eliminating waste, sexual

intercourse, and childbirth.

And vestigial or vital, it's definitely vital.

There's a diagram of it anchoring, of ligaments anchoring to the coccyx, and I apologize for the slides.

I didn't know that.

Okay.

This is from the YouTube, or it says it now serves as an anchor for some pelvic purposes.

Okay, Terry, I'm glad you told me.

Could you quiz someone on who this is?

Well, I hate to say it, but Robin already gave the answer away, so she said it's Pinocchio.

Correct.

But I'm willing to bet there's nobody on this call who doesn't know who that is.

Well, there's Pinocchio speaking, and he's telling us the coccyx is a vestigial tail.

We don't need it, and we know what happens when he tells a lie, his nose grows.

Trivia time.

I need a volunteer.

Okay, I am going to volunteer, Jeff.

Okay, Jeff, ready?

Jeff is still working on unmuting.

Now he's ready.

Our spine is curved.

Why is it curved?

For balance?

Good answer.

It's a shock absorber.

Have you ever sitting on a bus, and you're sitting straight up, and you hit a bump, and it's like, ow, because your spine is

nice and straight?

God designed our spine to have a little bit of curvature in it to act like a shock absorber.

If it was perfectly straight, it would hurt every time we hit a bump, so praise God

for that.

Thank you, Jeff.

Any volunteers on who that great man is?

He's passed away.

Dwayne Gish.

Dwayne Gish.

All right.

Dwayne Gish talked about tails.

One of his quotes were, he was a debater for creation,

a real man of God, PhD in biochemistry, and he said, some of my ancestors may have

been hung by their neck, but none of his ancestors hung by their tail.

So Dr. Gish agrees that humans never had tails.

So vestigial organs, evolutionists think we have organs that used to be functional, but lost its

usefulness over history, evolutionary history.

Who's that, everybody?

Erwin.

Yep.

Darwin, the only man in the world you cannot criticize in public schools, says,

how utterly inexplicable is it that organs bearing the plain stamp of inutility

should so frequently occur?

Well, let's see if they have inutility.

This is a guy, German guy, evolutionist, Robert Weidersheim.

He wrote a book called The Structure of Man.

He listed 86 vestigial organs in

humans, 86 things that we no longer need because of evolution history has made them

useless.

Here are just a few of those useless parts of the body.

Bill?

Yes?

We'd be a lot lighter if we didn't have those 86 parts.

Yeah, we'd be dead.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

So it's just a few of them in the list.

Of course, we won't do 86.

We already did the coccyx, very important point for tendons to attach,

and then the appendix, which is the next set of slides.

So that gives away this slide.

That's where your appendix is.

And is it vestigial and useless or beneficial?

Beneficial.

Okay.

It's located at the juncture of the large and small intestine.

Very simple question.

What's going on inside your body in your large and small intestine?

I'll take a volunteer.

Digestion.

Digestion.

A lot of garbage and junk that's on its way out of your body after your body has

digested it.

Yep.

So that's the coolest picture I've seen of what it looks like, your appendix.

Isn't that cool?

Now, the National Center of Health says it's strategically, what does that tell you?

Accidentally?

No.

Strategically placed to an important site at the junction of the midgut and the hindgut.

Duke University said it's known there is immune system tissue in the appendix.

Now, here's a real complex diagram of the digestive system of how food is turned into

waste.

But the human digestive system needs, this is very simple, but very important.

Your digestive system needs good bacteria for digestion.

Okay.

Now, your digestive system right now probably is filled with a lot of good bacteria.

We're going to mention a word that may have never been said in your previous meetings, Terri, but

sometimes people have diarrhea.

Has that been mentioned in a lesson before?

No, Bill, and you always bring these words to our meeting that make me

turn red, but that's okay.

It's human functions.

It is.

And does diarrhea serve a purpose?

Well, I'm going to say yes, because it seems to be a natural function.

We don't want too much, but when we do have diarrhea now and then, what does it do for.

Us?

Cleans us out.

I was going to say that, but I'm a lady, man.

So next time you have diarrhea, say, praise the Lord.

But not only does it take out the waste, it also takes out the what?

What we just talked about.

The good bacteria.

That's right.

So the diarrhea cleans us out, good and bad, but God made provision.

So when we have diarrhea, all the good bacteria can be washed out, but the appendix is like a

little cave.

It's a little cave in your digestive system, and guess what it's filled with?

So the diarrhea goes sweeping out.

The appendix is not touched at all.

The appendix is filled with good bacteria that fills your gut up

after you have diarrhea.

Any praise the Lord to that?

Amen.

That's great.

So the good bacteria gets a head start over on the bad bacteria.

I'm counting how many times you're saying that word, Bill.

Well, I'm setting a record.

But it's just the complexity is amazing.

And just praise God.

Does the appendix sound vestigial to you guys?

Absolutely not.

It does not.

But I'm hoping you're going to touch on why some people can survive without it.

Very good. Very good.

And I'll get to that in a second.

So Duke University, not a Christian university, has a study that

says, the useful bacteria aid in digestion after the gut

is evacuated.

And I won't say that word anymore.

So the conclusion is at least if a human appendix has a

character, at least in children, but adults do, a well -developed, that means designed,

lymphoid organ, suggested it has important immunological functions.

But our students are told it's a leftover from evolution.

People without an appendix take longer to recover from intestinal infections.

Wow.

Now you still can recover, but it takes a longer time.

So you are blessed if you still have your appendix.

And sometimes it bursts.

And it often bursts because that little cave opening gets clogged.

And the good bacteria just keep reproducing and can burst.

Is there a way to keep that way clear?

Eat roughage, eat fiber, and a little diarrhea now and then never hurts.

I guess I'm set.

Constipation can lead to that.

So there's a Pinocchio again.

The appendix is useless.

Now, this comes to your question, Terry.

Now you can live without your appendix.

Does that mean it's vestigial, that you don't need it?

No.

Can you live without your left arm?

Yes.

Does that mean it's vestigial?

No.

No, you're better off with it, but you can still live without it.

So you're much better off with your appendix, but you can survive without it.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

Trivia time.

Could we get another volunteer, Terry?

Okay, I am going to volunteer, Carolyn.

Okay, I'm here.

So Carolyn, you get the question.

Can it be beneficial?

Of course, yes.

Absolutely, absolutely.

Carolyn is a nurse.

Oh, good.

Good, good, good.

May I ask a question?

Yes.

When we take antibiotics, does it kill the good bacteria inside the appendix?

I would be bluffing if I could give you an answer.

I do not know that.

Okay, fair enough.

What would you think?

If you're a nurse, you might know better than me.

No, I have no idea, because I don't know if the opening is really small and the

bacteria just kind of hides out there.

And the antibiotics don't touch it, but the antibiotics would be in the bloodstream, I guess.

So, I don't know.

Yep.

One of my smartest answers I ever give is, I don't know either.

Well, I would think that if it's in inside there, it's got to be protected.

I don't know, but we can keep going.

Thanks, Carolyn.

That was great.

Okay, little trivia.

Who gets it more, males or females?

Males have appendicitis 58 % of the time.

And this was interesting to me.

What age gets it the most?

Younger people get appendicitis the most.

So, that's the only advantage to being over 30 years old, everybody.

Less appendicitis.

And wisdom.

That's right.

That's right.

And lower insurance.

So, more things on his list.

The pituitary gland.

This very brilliant man in the 1800s, Weitersheim, said, we don't need it.

It's an evolutionary leftover.

Of course, we'd all be dead without the pituitary gland.

It releases vital hormones and makes them.

The pineal gland helps us to regulate sleep.

It's a gland that takes in light and tells our brain to sleep or not by releasing a hormone.

Tonsils.

Trivia time.

Could we get a volunteer, please?

I would like to volunteer, Bill.

Me?

No, no, Bill.

Snyde, Snyde. Bill, Bill Snyde.

Are you there, Bill?

We are waiting for him to unmute himself.

So, let's see.

As a backup, I'm going to volunteer Leilani.

Leilani, are you available?

Oh, Bill's ready.

What's the question?

How many tonsils were you born with, Bill?

Been two.

Two that I know of.

I will be honest with you.

I learned this about five hours ago.

Six.

Well, I must have four more.

Yep.

God gave us six.

The adenoid is also called the pharyngeal tonsil, not fossil, tonsil.

Two tubal tonsils, two palatine, and one lingual.

There's a little diagram of where some of them are.

So, I always thought we just had one, actually, but we have six.

And one disadvantage to being older is mine were ripped out of me when I was five.

But back then, they said it's an evolutionary leftover, that we don't need our tonsils.

Okay.

So, the question is, Bill, would you say tonsils are important?

I really don't know.

I would say not too important.

Probably, you can live without them, but they probably serve a function.

Well said.

Very well said.

The main function of tonsils is to fight infections.

Your tonsils contain a lot of white blood cells, which kill germs.

As your tonsils are in the back of your throat, they catch germs that enter your body through your nose or mouth.

So, you can absolutely live without tonsils.

And they don't remove all six.

They only remove the two palatine fossils in children, or maybe

adults.

But it's part of your immune system.

Once again, you can live without them, but you're better off with them.

Any comments or questions on that?

Yeah, this is Bill.

What do the other four do?

Oh, I love it.

They fight infection.

The adenoids fight infection.

And the tubal tonsils protect your ears.

They fight infection between your mouth and your ear.

It's incredibly complex.

But they're all lymph tissue that fight infection.

Well, let me say something that I think we can all learn from.

I had my tonsils removed, the ones down in the throat.

And the other ones are all intact.

I've never had an ear infection.

But I've been on chemo for 23 years.

But I get a lot of colds and throats and sore throats.

Wow.

So, what you just told me and educated me on makes total sense now.

Well, that really is a huge blessing.

And Terri, I thank you for this lesson because it forces me to read things I probably would never read.

And I should, but I love this stuff.

Isn't God great?

Praise the Lord.

Bill, can we real quick?

I think I'm concerned that some people can't see the slides very well, especially if they're watching on Facebook.

So, I'd like to ask you to do two things.

Do you see the little X next to format background over on the far right?

Which Bill are you talking to?

Bill Morgan.

Can you click that little X up in that?

There you go.

That's the one.

And then up in your menu bar, can you click on view?

It's almost exactly in the center of the orange panel.

Okay.

Can you click on the magnifying glass that says zoom?

Oh, I can zoom out here too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There you go.

Oh, absolutely.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

How's that better?

So, that's a lot better.

Perfect. Praise the Lord.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right.

We'll just rip through these.

This man who believed evolution was wonderful thought the thymus was vestigial.

Well, you don't have any T -cells without your thymus.

The pancreas produces insulin, neutralizes stomach acid.

I'll go real quick here.

Our stomach has hydrochloric acid to help digest food.

And someone once asked me, well, why doesn't that acid tear up the rest of our digestive system?

So, I looked it up.

All glory to God.

The pancreas neutralizes that acid before it gets into our digestive tract.

He thought the spleen was vestigial, perthyroids.

And we'll just end there for now on that and move on.

So, he listed 86 vestigial organs.

I need a volunteer, Terry.

Okay. I'm going to volunteer June.

June, of those 86 organs that he thought were completely useless, how many today do

people believe are completely useless?

How many organs do people believe are completely useless?

I don't think that people believe any of them are completely useless.

You get 10 creation points.

Every one of those 86 we've learned that are needed.

And what's really cool to know, in 30 years from now, the people are going to learn more and more about the complexity of

our human body.

Amen?

Amen.

But the schools keep teaching students.

We have vestigial organs.

I like to say people can believe whatever they want, but don't lie to kids.

That's where I get upset.

Be an atheist if you want, but don't lie to kids.

Francis Bacon had a great quote.

If a man will begin with certainties, for instance, I am certain evolution is true.

But Bacon said, if a man begins with certainties, he shall end in doubts.

But if he is content to begin with doubts, you will end in certainties.

I think everyone can be guilty of wanting to prove what they want to be true.

But if we start with an open mind and follow the evidence, that's the best way to do science.

And if people were open -minded, they would reject the theory of evolution.

Any comments on that?

I agree that people, you know, people on that side, they want to say they're

open -minded.

But I was at a talk on Tuesday with the most closed -minded people touting

evolution to me.

So I like Francis Bacon.

He's got something good to say there.

Yep.

So always start with an open mind.

Don't start with a conclusion.

Okay, everybody touch your middle, your little finger to your thumb and look at your wrist.

Some of you will see things popping up.

Some of you don't.

I'll go through this one really quick.

We have a muscle, or most people do, but some people don't, Palmaris Lungus muscle.

Many evolutionists say, oh, it's vestigial.

We don't need it.

And some people actually don't have it, but most people do.

The Palmaris Lungus muscle is vestigial functionally based on Pinocchio.

But it does have a function.

It helps you to control your wrist.

It helps you to control your thumb.

You still can control it without it, but still it gives you more strength in controlling your

thumb and your wrist.

And it helps with your wrist bending.

There's a diagram.

You see the green part?

All of those muscles are said to be vestigial

by the evolutionists.

It is absolutely not.

It's got many, many functions and you can live without it.

So there's, I like that one, that wood Pinocchio.

The Palmar apparatus is a useful evolutionary leftover.

Absolutely not.

Now, fun fact.

Terry, you can call in a volunteer to finish my statement.

Okay, I'm going to call on, oh, Linda said not to call her.

So I am going to call on Rob.

Rob, losing something does not support the theory of evolution.

What would support the theory of evolution?

Rob has not unmuted himself.

So we might need to ask Bill.

Bill's unmuted.

Bill, you want to answer that?

I can try.

Can you repeat the question, please?

Losing something like a muscle or an appendix does not support the theory of evolution.

What would support the theory of evolution?

Gaining something or gaining a muscle.

Absolutely.

Gaining something.

So even if it is vestigial, it doesn't prove evolution.

They've got to explain how bacteria is the ancestor to a human.

They don't have to explain why there's a muscle they think we don't need.

Make sense?

Yeah.

Way back in 2003, I had my first public debate, Pasadena City

College.

I got to do it because I love ICR, but they wanted $500 and they needed

somebody to do it for free.

And I was happy to do it.

So it was my first debate.

There were about 400 people there.

And my opponent was Russell DeFiori.

And it went wonderful.

I really enjoyed it.

And one of the things he said is he says, I'll never forget it, is I have a video of it.

He said, why do humans have all this hair on our body?

We don't need it.

It's an evolutionary leftover.

And so when it was my turn to rebut, I said, dear Lord, please give me a good answer.

And my answer was, well, Dr. DeFiori, I'm from Buffalo, New York, originally.

We have a lot of mosquitoes in Buffalo, New York.

I have hair on my legs and my arms.

Guess who got bit by more mosquitoes?

Me or my sister?

Terri, what would you say?

Terri had to step away.

So Robin is going to answer.

And she says the mosquito, probably like the rest of the population, are

turned off by leg hair.

It's a defense mechanism.

Oh, okay. That's what I meant.

Yeah.

I would feel a mosquito on me and swat it.

But when ladies would shave their legs, they would get bit more than me.

So body hair makes great protection against mosquitoes.

We can live without it, but it's not a defense.

It's good for sensitivity.

Some people say goosebumps are vestigial organs.

But they say they used to serve an important function.

I still think they're important.

Goosebumps raise the hair on our skin.

When do we often get goosebumps?

Could I get a volunteer, please?

Jimbo.

When we get cold.

When we get cold.

Very, very good.

Guess what goosebumps help us to do?

Warm up.

Hold the heat in that's leaving our body.

For example, if it's really, really windy, would you rather be in a forest or in a plain where there's no

trees?

Trees would probably be better.

The trees give you more protection.

It adds a little heat.

If you're scared and get goosebumps, it's a defense mechanism to increase your sense of touch.

You can live without them, but they're very beneficial.

Does that make sense?

My question is, how would they even think you could get rid of them?

I mean, that is something it's like your body automatically does when you have these

sensations.

I always like to say there's no bad question to ask an evolutionist.

And you can't get rid of them.

They're a beautiful design and they hold in your heat, heightened defense.

And I'm going to teach you a little bit about goosebumps.

Are goosebumps the result of design?

Wait till you see this slide.

Every hair on your body has its own little muscle

with the nerve.

So if you've got really hairy legs or arms, every hair has its own

muscle.

And when you get goosebumps, the muscle pulls it and pushes your hair straight up and gives that little

goosebump.

Would anybody like to say praise the Lord?

Praise the Lord.

So you might have, well, you do have millions of tiny little muscles for each hair

to put that up.

Now that should be enough evidence for any open -minded person to realize there's got to be a designer.

Amen.

Amen.

I stepped away, but did you cover the fact that some people refer to goosebumps as chicken skin?

I had a friend who always called it chicken skin.

I've got chicken skin.

Would any of your viewers like to have a comment or question at this point in time?

Any comments or questions, folks?

Okay.

I have a question.

Go ahead, Carolyn.

If we lose our hair, do we still get goosebumps

when we're cold?

Wow.

I'd be guessing again.

I would say we do.

I would think we do.

Anybody want to comment on that?

But I'm certainly not an expert.

I would disagree.

This is Bill.

It appears from the diagram there that when the muscle pushes the hair, the hair is thicker.

And as it comes up, it's the hair that makes the bump.

You know what?

You're a genius.

Absolutely. That makes sense to me.

Yeah, you need the hair to get the goosebump.

Thank you, Bill.

Well, I don't know if that's right, but it makes sense to me.

Based on that drawing.

I have a comment.

If goosebumps were really vestigial and evolution is true, evolution would be smart to get rid of

all those muscles because that's a lot of energy and waste to make all those.

Good point.

Good point.

And how do you evolve millions of tiny little muscles attached to a nerve that your brain can regulate?

I guess to exercise those muscles, we'd have to go out into the cold and come back.

Very good.

I like it.

Snake legs.

How snakes lost their legs.

Is that a factual statement or an assumption?

It's an assumption.

They think they had legs.

Let's read their article.

Snakes used to wander the earth. About 150 million years ago, before they shifted

from strut to slither.

We advance.

Some snakes, such as pythons, retain tiny vestiges of legs in the form of two

small bumps on either side of their pelvis.

Volunteer, please, Terry.

I call on Diane.

Diane, do you think those are remnants of legs or something that's useful?

On a snake.

I would say there's something that's useful on the snake.

And do you happen to know what they're useful for?

I would imagine it's something to do with sensing things.

Very good answer.

Or laying eggs.

Very good answer.

Reproduction.

Very good.

That's the answer.

Ah.

Going to another area that might be new.

Snakes tend to be cylindrical.

They reproduce.

Two cylinders could have difficulties in reproducing.

These things called spurs are important for reproduction.

Okay.

Now, one article says there's no clear current use, but they do use them.

They have two purposes.

Mating and fighting.

So the same articles say there's no purpose, but then they say they use them for mating and fighting.

And you guys can get the physics of the mating part, right?

It helps them to stay joined.

I was going to say, I don't think we need to go there.

Okay.

And fighting, of course, they can use them for that as well.

So I believe they're designed by God and not useless leg remnants.

It's just simple.

Does that look like a remnant of a leg?

Ridiculous, isn't it?

It's definitely a well -designed spur.

So if someone's telling you there's no clear use for the spurs on snakes, they're lying.

There is a use for them.

Jim Bill has a question.

Jim Bill.

Sure.

Actually, I was just making a stupid joke.

I'm sorry.

I said it's just a toenail.

He also made a joke in the comments here.

He said that goose bumps must have evolved from dinosaur bumps.

Yep, from reptiles of goose.

Very good.

The male spurs are larger than the females.

And once again, losing legs is not evidence for the theory of evolution.

What would be evidence for that?

Very honest.

Getting legs.

Exactly.

So there we go.

There's the liar again.

Snake said, like, there's a lot of pictures of Pinocchio on the internet.

Let's talk about whales.

Did you know that whales are expert swimmers and perfectly designed?

Oops, not designed.

Adapted.

I hate that word.

Perfectly adapted to life underwater.

These marine mammals once walked on four legs.

Wow.

And the kids believe it because they trust what they hear.

So there's the beautiful drawings.

One of my favorite things about creation evolution is why do they only have drawings

as their evidence instead of photographs?

Evolutionists could show you drawings all day long, cartoons, they can't show you photographs

or living things.

So did whales used to have legs and walk on land?

Everybody should start with what we know.

Whales do have a bone there towards their back near their dorsal

fin.

That's the data.

The evolutionists assume, wow, those huge animals used to have legs.

And that's a pretty small bone to support that big animal.

Would you agree?

Maybe he was thinner in the past.

Yeah, that's a pretty wimpy bone to support the many tons of whale waste.

Evolutionists call them pelvic bones and think they're leftovers from when whales walked on land.

Creationists don't think they're pelvic bones.

We think they have an important function.

Volunteer, please, Terry.

I volunteer Michelle.

Michelle.

Are you there?

Let's see if Michelle is finding her mute button.

There we go.

Oh, no.

Linda, do you want to take it instead?

Great production.

Very good.

Not only does she know it has a function, she knows what it's for.

And I'm about to say another word that may have never been said on your meeting, Terry, but that's why you pay me the big bucks.

What makes sense?

Is it a pelvis bone?

Textbooks call them pelvic bones.

That's from a textbook that the students are forced to see.

That's right there, pelvic bone.

But I don't think it's a pelvic bone.

But you can decide for yourself.

Here comes the next slide.

Buckle your seatbelt, Terry.

These bones are leftover bones, or are they important that serve a function?

We're all adults here, right?

Whales have a big penis.

Their penis has a muscle that anchors to this bone.

Without that bone, they wouldn't be able to reproduce.

Do you think it's a remnant?

I can't.

I laugh, but I cry.

A remnant of a pelvis?

They even call it a pelvis bone here.

But it anchors to the male reproductive organ.

Any answers?

Does it serve a purpose?

I'm still recovering from you saying that.

I'm sorry.

Well, I'm going to say it serves a purpose.

Absolutely.

They could not possibly reproduce without that bone.

Yet these boneheads still call them vestigial organs of a pelvis.

They're either lying or just simply ignorant when they say that.

Dolphins have the same bone.

And guess what it's for there?

We won't say the word again, but you can read it.

It's for their reproductive as well.

What an awesome God.

What an awesome engineer to design that bone to allow his beloved sea animals

to reproduce.

I love creation.

Now these guys are from USC.

Did you know USC was originally a Methodist university to train missionaries?

Yes, it was.

It's come a long way since then.

Their football team used to be called the Fighting Methodists, but they have come a long way.

And these guys are from USC and they still call it a pelvis.

Promiscuous whales make good use of their pelvises.

Well, pelvic bones are not vestigial, but instead they didn't say

designed because they'd lose their career, evolved to help the maroon animals during

sex.

Terry, could you read that please?

Okay.

Both whales and dolphins have pelvic bones, evolutionary remnants from when their ancestors,

I'm assuming that meant walked on land more than 40 million years ago.

I don't know if I want to keep reading.

Common wisdom has long held that these bones are simply vestigial,

slowly withering away like tailbones on humans.

New research from USC lies directly in the face of that assumption.

Finding that not only do those pelvic bones serve a purpose, but

their size and shape are influenced by the forces of sexual selection.

And so once again, I'll summarize this one.

They are not remnants.

They're very, very important for reproduction.

So once again, they call them pelvic bones.

They're not pelvic bones.

They have nothing to do with it.

They're a brilliant design by a brilliant designer.

Can I ask a question?

Absolutely.

I assume that female whales don't have those bones

or dolphins.

If I was an evolutionist, that would be a case against evolution.

If it's a remnant, why don't the females have the same bone?

If it's a remnant of evolution, then females would have the same bone

if it was, right?

Could someone Google that?

I would bet they have the bones, but they use it for their reproductive system.

If someone could Google that, that would be a lot of fun.

I love your questions.

I'm 0 for 3 if I was a baseball player.

But I would bet you a penny that they do have the bones, but for their reproductive.

And if someone could Google that, and that'd be great.

I'm doing it.

Okay, and now Terry, I need you to call on volunteers, not to put them on the spot, but just for them to get the full

experience of creation on a Thursday night.

Steve, Steve is new with us tonight.

Steve, would you like to volunteer?

Steve, do you remember what the purpose of your tailbone is?

Yes, it basically supports many muscles that are important.

Very, very, very good.

And without it, you would not be able to do what?

I don't remember.

I came in a little late.

I came in right as you were finishing the coccyx.

Okay.

All the things that shouldn't be said in

public.

We would need diapers, and we wouldn't be able to reproduce.

Yes.

Okay.

But glory to God and everything.

Amen.

Amen.

I was really interested to find out about six tonsils and the appendix with the

good bacteria.

That was pretty cool.

Oh, thank you.

Yep.

Steve is, I met Steve this last Sunday.

He's very big into creation, and he holds many engineering degrees.

I thought he would be interested since you're an engineer as well, Bill.

How many degrees?

Five.

Wow.

What are they in, if you don't mind sharing?

I was in the Air Force, and I got all of my degrees in the Air Force.

I enlisted first and went through three technical schools and got Associates of Applied

Science, AAS degrees.

They were pretty good degrees, though, because you went out and you learned exactly how to do things as a technician.

You had application as well as the learning involved, and it was all electronics.

Then the Air Force sent me to the Ohio State University for a Bachelor's in Electrical Engineering, and then

they sent me to the University of Washington for a Master's in Electrical Engineering.

So those are the five degrees.

Well, thank you for your service.

You're welcome.

Okay.

Volunteer for tonsils, Terry.

Could you demand that a volunteer give an answer on that?

Oh, yes, absolutely.

I would like to volunteer Jeff.

Okay, Jeff, what's the purpose of tonsils?

Tonsils hold, they have the purpose of fighting off bacteria,

infections.

Good job, Jeff.

Thank you.

Next volunteer, Terry, for the appendix.

Yes, I'm going to volunteer, Carolyn, for the appendix.

The appendix is a storage receptacle for good bacteria, for

the gut flora.

What's really cool for me is God designed things for the what -if scenario, not just the

straight function, but like the appendix, it's just beautiful design.

Glory to God.

Okay, we need a volunteer for body hair.

I would like to volunteer, Cherianne.

Are you with us, Cherianne?

Well, Terry, you can handle this one.

Oh, sorry.

It's John.

His name is John.

Oh, John.

That's okay, John.

Okay, I'll go ahead.

What is the question?

What is the benefit of body hair on humans?

Oh, this is when I stepped out for a bit, but I know that it helps keep our skin

warmer.

Is that right?

Yep, and sense of touch, defense mechanism, and all that.

Good.

Next volunteer, Goosebumps.

Okay, I'm going to volunteer, Linda.

Didn't we just do Goosebumps?

Yeah, body hair and Goosebumps, but I would say Goosebumps are heightened defense mechanism and warmth

for the body hair.

Okay, body hair.

So you can have snake legs.

Yeah, that protects from like mosquitoes and stuff like that.

Absolutely, yes.

So you can also have snake legs since you were kind of cheated on that one.

Do snakes have legs?

Nope.

What do they use them for, those little spurs?

Oh, reproduction.

And one other thing, too, they can use them for?

For roundness?

Fighting.

Oh, yes.

Mostly reproduction.

Good.

And last but not least, who would you love to give whale legs to, Terri?

Um, to June.

June, are you there?

She probably can't find the mute button.

Diane, Diane, go ahead. Diane, go ahead.

Reproduction.

Absolutely, yep.

Found it.

I already answered it.

I second that, Diane.

Reproduction.

Well, good job.

Diane, Bill, Diane, June and I are going to Africa in September with David

Reeves to do a photo safari.

I'd love it.

Which country?

South Africa.

Oh, good, good.

Good for you. I love your adventure.

And I have a little note for Bill and Bill.

Robin and I have both looked on Google and we're not finding any answers to the female

whales question.

I found one.

Female whales have a vagina.

Did you just say that for real?

I did.

Okay.

I'm so glad that that was Diane who found that.

But now we, now we know.

Now we know.

Well, they'd have to if they're going to give birth.

Yep.

I guess, I guess, yeah, that makes sense.

Details about how they, how they.

Yep, thank you.

You have to leave something to the imagination.

Yes.

I just asked Siri and the first thing that came up, contrary to popular belief, these are not

vestigial structures.

Can you believe it?

And that's from the Smithsonian Institute.

So Siri's not an evolutionist?

Smithsonian Magazine is not buying that it's a vestigial organ.

Well, good for them, about time.

But only Christ will get them saved.

Creation can lead them to Christ, but we all need His loving grace for

forgiveness of our sins.

Amen?

Amen.

But creation is a huge stumbling block for many people.

Keep them from even seeking Jesus.

So any comments or questions?

I have a comment.

Doctors apparently no longer believe that tonsils are vestigial because they do

everything in their power to not remove them anymore.

Yes, yes.

Whereas when I was a kid, everybody had their tonsils out.

And they sent, they sent my son to doctors, he was four, for a year and a half

to every kind of doctor you can think of, because they would not remove his tonsils.

They finally gave up and removed his tonsils and said, well, that's not the problem.

They were healthy.

But that solved his problem.

Removing his tonsils solved it.

Wow.

So a year and a half of torture because they refused to consider removing the tonsils.

Well, my siblings are six and seven years older than I am.

And they both had their tonsils out.

But I didn't have mine out.

Because it was that, that point where they started believing that it was not

really a vestigial organ.

So somewhere like 1970, 71.

Yeah, everybody my age has them out.

Can we do a quick survey?

Mine got ripped out in 1965.

That's when I was born.

I have mine.

I still have my tonsils.

And sometimes that's a problem because I get a lot of tonsil stones.

I don't have my tonsils and I'm old.

You still have yours, Diane?

Yeah, I never.

I still have my tonsils.

I still have my appendix.

How old are you?

75.

Oh, interesting.

You're one of the few.

I got mine out in about 1961 or 62.

June, you said you have, have yours?

I have both appendix and tonsils.

I do.

My husband has neither.

So maybe I'm the young one.

I have everything because I refused.

They wanted to take my tonsils and anoids out because I had chronic strep throat.

And I refused and I fought it hard.

Um, well, it wasn't that hard.

I just, I just walked away with the pain and I went to a natural doctor and we were able to take care of it

naturally.

Um, but I never got them removed.

I have, um, always had bad, um, sinus and, um, sore

throat, strep throat, bronchitis, pneumonia, but I've been doing natural, um, you

know, and boosting my immune system and I feel a whole lot better.

Rob, do you have a question?

I see you're unmuted.

Am I still unmuted?

Yes, you are.

Um, yeah, the question was, is the mind of an

evolutionist a vestigial organ?

I didn't understand the beginning of your question.

What was it?

Is the mind of an evolutionist a vestigial organ?

Uh, I say it's a wasted life.

It really is a fun trivia question for everybody.

What is the meaning of life?

Let's go ahead and, um, answer this question and then we'll wrap up our live stream public time.

So if people want to unmute to, to answer, um, in a very,

um,.

Publicly appropriate way, go ahead.

I will answer that question if I can.

Okay.

Uh, this is Steve Hendrickson.

I would say that what is the chief end of man is that type of a question?

And that was in the catechisms and the chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy him forever.

That was very profound.

And, um, with that, we're going to wrap up the live stream and the recording.

Matthew 6, 33, and Steve said it.

Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.

Jesus tells us the purpose of life to seek ye first the kingdom of God.

Yeah.

And then everything else will, will follow.

Yep. You're right.

Well, Bill, this has been a lot of fun.

It's always fun to have you because you're so interactive and you keep us all focused.

Somebody commented in the, in the comments here that, um, that not knowing when or

if you'll be called is nerve wracking.

But I said, maybe that's actually a great strategy of Bill because it keeps us all paying attention.

Before we sign off, why don't you remind everybody one more time how they can find your information and, and

your ministry and the things that you work on?

Well, people can call me at my home

phone, 714 -898 -8331.

My email is billyjack1 at hotmail .com.

My website that needs work is fishdontwalk .com.

And I would like to encourage all of you to consider evangelizing to kids as they come out of high schools.

The young people are eager to hear about Jesus in general, but the old people typically are not.

And that I've learned that over the years.

So reach the youth.

Excellent words of wisdom.

And for us, we're Creation Fellowship Santee, and you can find links to

most of our past presentations by typing in tinyurl .com forward slash

CFS archives.

And with that, we're going to go ahead and sign off for this week.

Thank you.