Episode 3 - What About Those Who Have Never Heard?

I mean we're looking at a man built by God and it shows. I appreciate God building me. That's always a good thing. I appreciate God building you too. It's nice to be here again. The way you did it. And you're a threat.

I'm a threat? You're a threat to many people including apparently Josiah and I need to hear the story.

Yeah. Let's get this over with. Let's just go ahead and humiliate myself in front of everyone. Alright. This was many years ago. I'm going to say, if I had to guess, this would probably be 2013. Was I in college?

I don't think... Yeah, man. That's eight years ago. Yeah, that was eight years ago. We have the Sog MMA ministry here at Witten Baptist. Teaching people to fight and call it fight for the mic. I was very worried that.

This story just happened where he just went off and absolutely...

No, no, no. It's not that bad. It's actually worse than that. Let me explain.

Worse than that? Just hold on. Everybody has a breaking point.

So we do Sog here and that's where we teach people to fight. We fight for the mic so we can share the gospel. Well, I was teaching Andrew, who came to me and asked me and a couple other people if I could teach him how to box.

He didn't really want to do MMA. He wasn't really interested in ground game or kickboxing, but he asked me if he could teach him how to box. I'm like, sure, Andrew. I can show you. Well, we trained, man.

We were at the youth house and we trained for like, I'm not kidding you, a couple hours. It was like three people in there. It was intense training. Andrew, being the man that he is, was sweating so much it was almost flooding the room.

I mean, it was that much. It was bad.

I am a sweater. You're putting work in. Yeah, that's how it shows. Sweat equity. Let me teach you...

Oh my goodness, that was awesome. Continue. Let me teach you how to spar. He's like, okay, man. I'm like, look, stick out your left hand. That's a jab. Stick out your right hand. That's a power. We started sparring.

I'm taking it light on him. I'm like, jab, jab, jab, little body shot. May I add to just one quick thing? Yeah, go ahead.

Okay, so what he told me was... Now, remember, I've never.

Sparred before. He says... Oh, yeah, yeah. This is band nerd Andrew. He's never sparred one time before, ever. Right. I've never done this before.

He goes, alright, man, I need you to go no more than sixty percent. Yeah. So in my head, I'm like, sixty percent. That's more than half.

I don't know what that is. Apparently, because as we continue the story,.

We're going to see... So he says sixty percent. I'm like, sure.

That sounds great. Now, for everyone listening, sixty percent is just barely more than half. Well, meathead Andrew hauls off... Built by God. Right. And the massive traps and delts go in motion. And with all his might and the little knowledge he has in the past two hours, throws that right cross, lands directly in my eye socket.

Notice I said eye socket. Goes into my eye socket. My contact lens falls out, lands on his glove, and I am taken aback. And I'm just like, dude. And he goes, dude, I'm so sorry. I'm like, dude, don't be sorry.

You hit me. That's what we were supposed to do.

And... You want me to try sixty five percent?

I think afterwards I said, how about a good twenty five percent flow spar? Because he knocked just the crap out of me.

It was... I have to admit, I felt kind of good. I was like, oh, I just like almost knocked Josiah out. And I was like, oh, no, I just almost knocked Josiah out. I hope we can still be friends after this.

I think if we hadn't had gloves on, I probably would have tasted the ground.

I feel like that makes you better friends. I feel like closer to a person when I have punched them in the face or vice versa. Yeah. I can't say that's my measuring rod. It's not a measuring rod. It's a measure.

It's not the measuring. It's a measuring. It's a measuring.

Now we know there's mutual destruction. If we ever got in a real fight, we would both feel some pain. So we're like, hey, let's just... And there's respect built on that.

Well, who was it that hit? Someone hit me in the like in the spleen or something.

I can't remember what it was. Did you just say someone hit you in the spleen? Yeah, we were sparring. I don't know. I don't have too many spleen shots. The patented spleen shot. It's right here. It's a secret technique.

The liver's on your right side. There are liver shots on the right side.

That's what it was, because I guess I was going too much. And then they went, boom. And I was like, can you tell me? Show us on the doll where the spleen is. The doll. OK, so the spleen is right about...

He's just pointing to the middle of the cup. Right about here. If I do, if my anatomy at Fifth of Hallow's Eve is exactly... So that would put you at like right here.

We'll have him. We'll have him teach that in the next class. Show us your spleen strike.

Welcome to the Point Taken podcast, a podcast where we make and take spiritual and biblical questions. And as you know, chat it up. Chat it up. My name is Hunter Wilson. I am the host of this beautiful podcast where we have all punched each other in the face, except apparently for me and Andrew.

I'm sure Hunter and I have punched each other in the face.

We grew up punching each other in the face many times. Well, you've never punched me in the face. I am. Technically, I'm still new to the pack here. So, you know, new to the pack. This was 2013. I disagree.

No, no, no. I mean, like me and Hunter have never had the opportunity to literally punch each other in the face. Hold my hand right now. OK, you're going to punch me in the face after this. I don't want to punch you in the face.

It's a pact. No. Oh, great. This is Josiah Shipley, Pastor Josiah Shipley. Right here to my left. How are you doing, Pastor Josiah? I'm doing well. Glad to be here.

These are fun. They really are, by the way.

I'm enjoying it. It's been a long time. It's been a little while since we've recorded. This is Andrew Cook, built by God. The the only punched Pastor Josiah in the face one time guy.

Music minister, band nerd, gamer and jock who can punch.

And jock. And jock. Yes. I definitely played sports.

Oh, yeah. He knows. He knows how to sport. Yeah.

I'm the kind of guy who ever listened to Lonely Island.

Yeah. Do you know what I'm referencing? Uh huh. Yeah. Do you? No, no idea.

We like sports and we don't care who knows. No, that is a song that you would love and that I need you to look up. All right. Deal. You need to do that. Oh, we have our homework. I'll look up Lonely Island.

You punch him in the face and we're good. And that's a pact. And if you back out of it, everybody knows.

OK, because we can't edit that out either.

No, you're not. I am the king of email forwards. I can do whatever I want. He said, I own this.

I edit whatever I want.

They're just edits of us just saying just the most heretical things ever. I will release you first. You have heard of deep fakes, right? Yeah. OK, so I can just do that because, you know, I could just.

I doubt you can't pull off deep fake. Can you pull off a don't? Don't underestimate my power. I can do whatever I need to do. All right. OK. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Done. Probably not. I thought it would be nice because we are a Christian podcast to do deep fakes.

No. Oh, OK. All right. We've moved on. OK, we've moved on. Got it. I thought it'd be nice if we mentioned something in our spiritual lives this week that either we realized that we need to be better or that we just we just messed it up.

You said you had something or was that the good? Did you have something good?

Well, it was good because God taught me out of it. So, yeah, sure. There we go. There we go. All right. We'll start with you. I'm ready. OK, we read this this morning for the opening scripture in service.

Brother Andrew always asked me on Mondays, hey, what do you want the opening scripture to be? And it's almost always based off something personal, personal study. Something God illuminated me that week, whatever.

And a lot of times. You know, for obvious reasons, when bad things happen, we ask the appropriate question of why, which is totally natural and fine. Now, in the in the weeks after that, where sometimes we and in this case me fail is not accepting the answers God gives to that or being impatient with his answers to said questions.

And then I remembered what I have taught others many times. And maybe I'm different than others. God has never audibly spoken to me, right? He speaks primarily through his word. Mm hmm. And I came across a passage I'd read a while back, and this spoke to me greatly.

And those of you who are part of it and probably know the event I'm referring to and asking why. You know, when we lose people we love, so on and so forth, when negative things happen, we always want to ask that.

And that's a fine question to ask. The point is the none of us are God and we don't know. In Deuteronomy 29, verse 29, after revealing six hundred and thirteen commandments in his law at Sinai, six hundred and thirteen, God said this.

The secret things belong to the Lord, but that which he has revealed belong to man. So after delivering six hundred and thirteen commandments, he still wanted everyone to have the secret things still belong to me.

I haven't revealed everything to you. Then go all the way to the book of Revelation. We're in the 66th book of the Bible. God has revealed a lot over thousands of years, four languages, three continents, 40 different writers.

This is what God says, Revelation 15, three and four. And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God and the song of the lamb saying, great and amazing are your deeds. Oh, Lord, God, the almighty.

Just and true are your ways, O King of the nations. Who will not fear our Lord and glorify your name for you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship you for your righteous acts have been revealed.

The secret things belong to the Lord right now. But one day he will reveal all of his acts and they will all be called righteous and all nations will come and worship them. The entire universe, spiritual and physical, will all look on everything God has done and agree that it was the righteous, good, gracious thing to do.

Our job is not to try to make revealed that which God has chosen not to reveal. It's to trust he has a plan and he will reveal it in his time, not ours. That is how he encouraged me this week. Man, dude, it's I mean.

Hit me square between the eyes.

His righteous acts have been revealed. You know, it's funny, dude, is that no longer? No, it doesn't matter how long you've been a Christian. Yes. It doesn't matter how much you study. You can read every day.

And I don't say that from experience. Unfortunately, you could read every day and you still need reminders about you need to be faithful to God. Like you still need to have that encouragement of, hey, remember, I'm still worthy of that.

And it's almost like to that point of reading every day. You think about this. You look at the old, older writings. And nowadays, all you have to do is get on your Bible app and you can click a button and you can see every cross reference.

You can see every. Sure. Scripture, that's right. The amount of time it probably took for someone to really sit down and study and write all this stuff out, say this, this verse goes with this. This verse goes with this.

How much time and dedication that we just don't do anymore. Do you think the ease that we have when it comes to knowledge, when it comes to studying Bible or otherwise, do you think that ease that we have in it kind of promotes laziness?

Absolutely. There have been studies that have shown and this is just this is just going off of that. There have been studies that have shown that if you have someone who reads a an article on a tablet versus someone who has a physical piece of paper and they read the same exact article, the retention rate is about, I think it was between 40 to 50 percent higher on a written piece of paper than it is for digital, because what are we used to with digital?

Oh, man, you automate, you see it, you process it. You read maybe the first couple. That's why they push through it. What are the headlines called? Clickbait. Oh, clickbait. That's why clickbait so big is people will read the first three sentences of a of a paragraph and say, oh, I know what I know exactly what the article says.

And then they move on to the next thing. And you're so you're not retaining. You're just looking going, oh, I agree with that or disagree with that. And then move on versus having to have a piece of paper and sit there and read it.

You you're going to have to comprehend the words or, you know, the sentence structure and everything. So, yeah, it would you say the same thing for audibly playing it? Like we have our Bible app where if I left my Bible at church or if I don't have that on me or if I'm driving, I can play hit play.

And that Bible app will read it. Do you think it's more likely that you're not going to see? I am me personally. I learn audibly. I don't learn. Well, I learn better audible than I do written. I don't know the academic terms, but and plus you're a jock.

Why would you exactly? So but then again, think about the accounts Jesus preached. These were written. They were written down either after or during the event. They were spoken first. That's true. So the word of God was spoken.

You know, it's speaks. So I would say that probably in order to even get a better enrichment of the scriptures, you probably need to either read it out loud or hear someone read it, especially if you want to get the right inflections and, you know, kind of follow the way that the because I know there's a lot of sarcasm in the Bible.

And if you're not if you're not mostly from Jesus. Yeah. Well, that's something different with the Bible, though, then when you're studying anything else is that the Holy Spirit can speak to you in any way.

Sure. So, you know, I could listen to ask Pastor John or I could listen to Vodie Bachum and I don't even know if that's how you say his name. Yeah, that's right. Vodie Bachman or Bachum? Bachum. Bachum.

I could I could listen to all that and I could retain bits and pieces. But God is going to God can show me things through that. Or I could read the same sermon, you know, I'm saying, and get the same thing out of it because the Holy Spirit is going to illuminate what he will illuminate.

But I'm I'm 100 percent agree when it comes to the ease that we have in studying. Like I have so many ways to read the Bible. I could literally Google Matthew chapter seven, find a link and read it on any device.

I have that you can get any commentary. Typically, I could any commentary. I could hit the videos link and there'd be this person explaining Matthew chapter seven, this person. He gets a Bible project, which is like, I really like them.

They're really good. And or I could get a Bible. I have three different Bible type apps. It couldn't court. I could do all of that when with all the ease. There's a lot I just know. Yeah, a lot of the times I just I don't.

And I would I'd venture to bet I'd love to. I'd love to do to to kind of that point I made earlier about retention. I'd love to test that out, at least around here at Witten, is just to say, hey, read this, read a passage, you know, like, you know it really well.

Read it to me and tell me exactly what it says. And then do that to like the physical Bible in their hand versus their phone. I'm curious if it would be if it would be the same type of results to say retention rate is higher or lower.

I think a lot of it has to do with how easily distracted we are. We're such a instant gratification culture. And I mean, all of us, myself included. Yeah. Whenever I am actually reading the Bible and I'm going to use my iPad or my phone, I try to make it a a.

The first thing I do is turn off all notifications. So what I encourage people is if you're sitting in a service. And you're going to use your Bible or your tablet as my bad, you're going to use your phone or your tablet as your Bible.

OK, turn off all notifications. And that at least it doesn't help with everything that at least gets rid of distractions, because, look, we're all I'm guilty of it, too. And if I'm here and I'm casually reading my Bible, not to really read it, but just to say I did to make myself feel good for that day.

You know, Atlanta Braves home run Freddie Freeman. Ding the top right. CNN, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Afghanistan. OK. Am I I'm allowing all these other distractions to not let it speak to me. So that's that's one thing I do to help with that.

I think that's a loss. Like it's all it's becoming a lost art of how to study something. Yes. I know to answer the original question of what is something we've. Yeah, something that I have I've been. So I just started my new job and I'm teaching a Bible class.

Love it. It's awesome. It's it's so cool. And it's cool to get the kids perspective because it's it's it's different than my own. And that's good. You know, it's always good to to get their first perspective.

So, you know, the other side of the coin, which is what part of this podcast is based around point taken. Yes. Proverbs. What do we say? Proverbs 17, 18, 18, 17, 18, 17. I'm sorry, 18, 17. I can't remember.

It's a good one. You should look it up, Pastor. It's a good one. What does it say? Just it's fine. It's fine. But the but one thing that I've been really convicted about with with studying is, you know, I'm teaching these I'm teaching these kids how to study the Bible.

And as I'm reading through the material, I'm like, you know, I actually don't study this way. So the way they teach it is to observe, to observe it, to interpret it and to apply it. So the observation is literally what does the text say?

What is it? What comprehension? What is talking about? Interpreting is taking it into context. So not out of context, but into context. And then the last part is how does what I just read, how can I apply it to my everyday life?

And it's something that I'm just I am. I've never really been good at it, at least the first part observing. And I love it in the text, the textbook. It says observing is the hardest part because you have to sit down and you have to read it and actually know what you're saying or what it's saying.

Tell you the truth. That's much easier than me to me than point three application. No, the thinking like intentionally thinking about how can I put this to use in my life? Because I will do the observation.

I will do the who wrote it. Who's he writing to? What does it say before? What's it saying after? Like, what's the history like? And I can do all that studying. But do I sit down and say, OK, now that I have that information, what's something tomorrow?

What's something like right now? What's a mindset that I can change? Sure. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think that's crucial. That's like critical. Yeah. So it's just been one of those things like hits me like, oh, I if I'm going to if I'm going to teach these kids how to do this, I need to make sure I'm doing it, too.

So that's that's been something that's kind of pushing me to go. Yes, you need to with the ample amount of time I have to do stuff. I need to to do this better. I don't have a lot of time to do it. Yeah, making that time here.

You're up next here. Here's here's what I learned, man. God convicted me about trying to overrule what his opinions. Hmm. Hmm. About his like what he says. I deal with the low self-worth. That's me, too.

Oh, you should punch me in the face later. Oh, my goodness. That'll help. No, Andrew. Yeah. Yeah. Help me. I'll be happy. Yeah. But no, that's that's something that I I actively work to try and fight the lies and do all that.

And so, you know, I'm struggling with that. And I know and God's God's reminding me this is actually who you are. No, no, no. You're finding your identity in something different. Nice. This is who you really are.

But then I'm saying, yeah, but I've not really been listening to you recently. Yeah, I haven't. I've not been reading. I've not been praying. My worship is only real worship when I'm doing it for somebody else.

And, you know, I'm doing this. So I'm trying to talk God out of what he's saying. So in other words, I'm equating my failure with my worth. And I thought of it like this. The difference between. A human and a piece of technology, so I can take out my phone, oops, my bad.

Take out my phone. You're going to need to move your mic up to your face again. There it is. Thank you. Hello. I'm going to take out my phone. It's even a little nephews. And in a year, this phone is going to be real slow.

And this phone is meant to do things at a high speed. It's meant to call, text, search and all that. The second that it stops doing that quickly, it starts to slow down. It will be my phone. I will say this is a piece of crap.

Ah, the stupid phone. I hate this phone. This phone is worthless, right? Because it's a piece of machinery that's not doing its job. And I realize the value of not doing that with the human beings, right?

And not treating myself the same way. Man, I'm not I'm not doing this. I'm not doing that. Therefore, I am crap. Therefore, I suck. I am the worst. And in reality, what I'm doing sucks. What I'm doing is immature, irresponsible.

And that doesn't change who God has made me to be. That's right. And so my conviction wasn't, boy, you should. You sure do hate on yourself a lot. It was, boy, who are you to try and put your opinion above mine?

Uh, as I was like, man, that's another just humble. Like when you're dealing with self-worth issues, the last thing you think about is you need to be humble. But that's the answer. Well said, man.

Amen to that and echo that. That's so true. Because people, self-worth, humility is the key. You know, y 'all a couple of weeks ago, I did one of these. Do you ever do this when you remember something stupid you said or did a long time ago that you had forgotten about it?

And for some reason, it creeps back in your brain and you quite literally facepalm. Oh, my God. Dude, like the past three days, I think I've done it five times. Yeah, yeah.

It's my favorite game to play before I go to sleep.

And it's just like, oh, my gosh. I wish I could erase that men in black style from my own brain. Yeah, exactly. It's just a cringe at it. I had one of those from from something I said to a brother at our church, Brother Paul.

I talked to him about it this morning like, hey, man, something popped back in my brain this week. Something I said to you about five years ago. And the instant it left my mouth, I wanted to take it back.

And your facial reaction was all I needed to say. It was too late. You heard it loud and clear. Do you remember this? And this then I hope it only goes, oh, yeah, I remember that perfectly. Thanks. Appreciate that.

Thanks for that. So but I kind of at least talked him through it. I'm like, man, that was really dumb of me. And he you know what he said? He goes, yeah, pastor. But we all make mistakes and I'm just right there with you.

That actually helped a lot. So, yeah, that was one of those facepalm moments. But it was Michael Scott cringeworthy when I kept thinking about it.

This is Scott Stott's moment. Oh, no.

That one is almost painful to watch.

Oh, no, it isn't. It's not almost. Sometimes I do have to skip it. If I don't have Rachel told me.

Rachel told me she saw something on Facebook one time said, I've watched The Office all nine seasons five times through. I've watched Scott Stott's once.

I've made it three times, but sometimes I know I can't. I remember my wife, she she we watched that when she goes. I just can't do this.

I was like, it gets better, it gets better. We got to get through the rest of it. And the ladies like all these politicians going here promising this and that. But you've actually done it.

You actually did it. I'm going to get you all computer.

You know, you know, it's better than intuition. Intuition is when you can perceive something that's about to happen. Anyone here have intuition? No, just got to say it, then.

I don't have the money. I don't. Oh, I think that's kind of important. What you said, though, you had an issue where you had that past memory that was dredged up. And you're just like, oh, boy, this is terrible.

And the first what where we differ and where we need to not differ, where I need to step up is you went and spoke to him about the issue. I was like, oh, I think if I did it, I wish it just didn't exist.

I think if I didn't tonight, when I go to bed, I would still be faced with anything, but I had to get that out of my system like, hey, man, I'm sorry, in case you remember this, because I do. And he goes, yeah, I do.

Oh, thanks.

Oh, of course. But July 5th of. Yes, yes. Oh, goodness. You say 19.

I almost did. You almost did. That wouldn't have been a teenager for probably four or five years ago. Enough to where I should have forgotten it by now. And I did until last week.

Your brain never. I call it the ball in either. So I call it the vault. As soon as you do something, you really regret your brain vaults it. Your mind. You might. Yeah. Yeah. Something positive about yourself.

You'll forget you did that. Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. All right. We have and I'm going to pull it up. Oh, we have a listener question. No, no, no, no, no, no. We have a listener question. Guys, don't forget.

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So send them in. I'm on the wrong email.

Here we go. That's right. I have like four emails. And some members of the podcast don't have an Instagram, but are going to figure out how to get on this one so we can read them. Absolutely. Yes. If for nothing else.

And DM means direct message. I think everyone knows that. Yeah, it's at the top right of your screen. Just testing it to make sure we all know. That's exactly what I was doing. OK, so we'll make sure.

All right. Sure.

All right. Here's the question. Let me get some water on. Dude, that was so cool. Are drinking water at the same time. Yeah, he's going to punch me in the face. I know I can't. Can you believe it? Keep being like, you're going to be such a good friend.

He's like, I'm going to kick your butt. Oh, flat. Is that a name? Flats. Yeah.

Because he's the he's a flat. He's a flounder. Here's the question, guys. There are people who live in remote places of the world and have never been visited by a missionary. Therefore, they've never heard anything about Jesus and salvation since they've never heard of Jesus.

What will happen when they die? Will they go to heaven or hell if they don't know anything about Jesus? How can they neither deny or reject him? Good question. What about those who've never heard? Who's first?

What about that one little island? It sounds like a passenger side question to me.

Well, I'm I'm good for that, but I want to steal your thunder. Oh, no, I have no thunder.

OK, well, let me just built by God. Oh, my goodness. Grace is no thunder. Let me hear David Alden. Josiah in 2013. He said 65. He was at 60. I did 100 percent transfer it. So there we go.

This is 60 percent of my power.

All right. I have been given. I have been given the power of Andrew.

This week on this matter, he gave me was like,.

Let me at least get us started here. All right. Couple of things to keep in mind. First off, let's get out some of the silliness away, and I don't mean to be rude or whatever. Let's just get out some silliness.

First off, the Bible was not originally written in English. If any of you are surprised by that, OK, go ahead and save yourself the embarrassment now so you don't have to later when you're in front of other people.

OK. And no, the first Bible is not the King James Bible. That was 1611. The first English Bible was Middle English. John Wycliffe, 1380s. OK, so so, yeah, long predating that.

We had the 10 more than five years.

Yeah, two or eight. Yeah, we had the Tendo Bible, the Wycliffe Bible. We had the Geneva Bible. We have a list of English Bibles before we ever get to the King James Bible. OK, my point being is this. When the Bible says neither is there salvation in any other, for there's no other name given among heaven whereby me must be saved.

If you think the phonetical English letter is J-E-S-U-S, when you read that, you're not seeing the whole picture. Right. OK. When Philippians 2 says at the name of Jesus, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess.

When Proverbs says a good name is to be desired than great riches. It's not meaning the phonetical spelling of your name, right? It's who and what that name represents.

Can you say that point one more time? That was extremely critical to your argument.

Sure. I think it needs to be said again. When we talk about the name of Jesus, it is not the phonetical letters J-E-S-U-S or E-A-S-U-S in Greek. Otherwise, people would have to know at least one Greek word to be saved.

Right. OK, OK. Oh, oh, if it was originally said in Greek, you should all know that E-A-S-U-S. Right. Iota, Epsilon. OK, Sigma. OK, we got to know that. Oh, no, it was spoken in Aramaics. We have to know.

OK, and then yes, she was. No, it's who and what that name represents. When Proverbs teaches us a good name is to be valued more than riches. It's not that A-N-D-R-E-W. Did I spell that right? A-N-D-R-E-W.

That's my name. Yes, yes. You spelled it right. It's not that that name is to be desired more than great riches. It's who and what that name represents. When I say the name Andrew. Everyone listening to this has either positive or negative connotations of that name based on a person that name represents.

Sure. When everyone hears Josiah, they hear positive and unfortunately negative connotations of a person, you know, named Josiah and the good and bad qualities of them. There are names of you listening that you will never name your children because someone you knew from high school that you hated that had that name.

There are names that you will pick for your children because someone you love or care about had that name. And that name means something to you beyond the spelling of the sound of it. When we say Jesus is the name of all names, it's not because it's two syllables and start syllables and starts with a J.

It's because who and what that name represents is greater than anything or anyone that has ever existed. Therefore, let's take it to the other side. That does not mean that someone can have a spiritual experience.