Matt Slick, Jeff Rice, Haps Addison, Michael Schultz, Keith Foskey, Claude Ramsey, Andrew Rappaport

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So we got a good one here for you.

When you're listening to this, it'll only be a couple of weeks before the Why Calvinism conference, which I will be

broadcasting at live, podcasting down there.

Probably, I don't know, doing some talking in between and stuff like that.

And we have some guys from that conference on now, and I have a few in the wings.

We're just adding people.

So if you're watching this right now, you're going, how many squares can he get up on the page?

And if you're listening to this, you're gonna hear a lot of different voices.

You're gonna hear some introductions, but we want to talk about that conference, give you a little preview, and then maybe just introduce you to

some new folks that you might not have heard on the podcast before, and you should definitely go check out.

So I'm gonna go around the horn.

If you guys could just give us a little elevator, 30 -second elevator pitch, and introduce yourself to the listeners, I'd

appreciate it.

Michael, let's start with you.

Okay, great.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

My name is Michael Schultz.

The pastor of Antioch Baptist Church in Louisville.

Uh -oh, hold on there, Michael.

We're losing your audio.

We're gonna come back to you, okay?

Check those levels, and then we're gonna come back.

Let's go to the Rat Man, Andrew Rappaport.

What's up, brother?

Hey, I'm Andrew Rappaport.

I am the executive director of Striving for Eternity Ministries and the Christian Podcast

Community.

And so, yeah, I'm looking forward to the conference.

It'll be a good one.

And I'm looking forward to a nice meal provided for me by Matt Slick.

Oh, next in line.

First on the podcast, first time ever on the podcast, guys.

Let's give it up for Matt Slick.

Matt, introduce yourself.

All right, well, I'm Matt Slick.

It's my real name.

Learned to run as a kid because of that.

I started karm .org 28 years ago.

It's had 160 million visitors.

I've been doing radio for 23 years.

Written some books and generally like to defend the Christian faith.

I'm definitely Reformed.

Definitely Reformed.

I love Reformed theology.

I would marry it if I could.

That's how much I love it.

I love it.

Moving right along, Keith Foskey.

Hold on, hold on.

Matt, you wrote a book on dating, didn't you?

Or at least, what was the title of that book?

How to Woo and Win Women by Being an Obnoxious Jerk.

That's the best title for a book ever.

It's a real book, folks.

It's a real book.

Go to Amazon.

You can get it.

All right, let's get the bottom three on the row here.

Keith Foskey, how you doing, brother?

Introduce yourself.

You've been on the podcast before.

Yes, sir.

I'm Keith Foskey, your Calvinist on podcast, or your Calvinist on Twitter.

And my podcast is the Your Calvinist Podcast with Keith Foskey.

And I make funny videos and I make fun of everybody.

And that's kind of what I do.

I like to make jokes.

I also love it too because you have a healthy respect for the self -deprecating joke, which I love too.

And it's great stuff.

Claude Ramsey.

He's a friend of the podcast.

Everyone knows who he is.

What's going on, Claude?

Introduce yourself.

Hi, I'm Claude Ramsey.

I'm pastor of Red Fermata Baptist Church here in Knoxville, Tennessee.

I host, quite a little bit, I do have it anymore, the Here I Stand Theology Podcast.

I am the happy Calvinist.

Yes, there are such a thing as happy Calvinist.

Don't be an old fuddy -duddy stick in the mud.

Be happy.

By the way, I wanted to just share this to make, to remind everyone to enjoy

Calvinism.

The Salonians 516, I love it.

All right, Haps, give us the lowdown.

Well, I'm a happy, your friendly neighborhood Calvinist.

And I'm happy the Calvinist, not the Calvin, not the.

Happy Calvinist.

What are you?

Happy Calvinist.

The happy Calvinist, that's right.

And I'm one of the hosts of Open Air Theology and also the founder of

Passing the Torch School of Apologetics and Discipleship.

Oh, I love it.

And last but not least, it's Jeffrey Rice.

Jeffrey's been on the podcast before.

He's the one that put this whole conference together.

So why don't you introduce yourself and then give us a little overview of what we're gonna see in a couple of weeks in Tullahoma.

All right, can you all hear me?

No.

You sound good.

You jumped in hot, guys.

We didn't even test the mic, so here you go.

You're hearing him for the first time.

Yeah, I did.

For some reason, I can't hear myself through my headphones.

That's okay.

Okay, yeah, I got it.

Yeah, hey, what's up?

My name is Jeff.

I'm one of the hosts of Open Air Theology and

I pastor Covenant Reform Baptist Church.

And one of the goals whenever I became a pastor was to put on conferences.

The problem was when I first became a pastor, we didn't have our own building.

And so the moment we got our own building, I was like, okay, we're gonna put on some conferences.

And so we tried out our first one last year, which everyone except for Matt was a part of

last year and it went really good.

And I was like, well, I think we need to do one on Calvinism.

But I didn't want it to be just like every other Calvinist conference.

So I wanted to show the implications of it.

Why does Calvinism matter?

Why should a non -Calvinist church adopt Calvinism?

And also to show that

Calvinists have fun, right?

If you come to this conference, like you're gonna have so much fun.

I don't know about you guys, but last February was one of the highlights of my life.

Right, just with the fellowship.

And I had a big bomb drop on me, like nervous wise, last year from putting

on everything and trying to handle all the chaos that goes around with putting a conference

on.

And so, but I mean, so, but whenever I think back to last year's conference, I don't think

about me dropping the ball.

I think about how God glorified himself through what

took place.

Awesome, and before we get into it, I just wanted to circle back around to Dr. Michael Schultz there.

You got better audio?

Can we hear you?

He's on the dock.

I can hear all of you, great.

I don't know if you can hear me at all.

Much better.

There's just a delay.

Yeah, can y 'all hear me at all?

Yeah.

So give us 10 seconds, Michael, who you are.

I may have to drop out just, yeah, just in case my audio is not gonna come through, but I don't keep you guys trying to back

up with me every 15 seconds that we're talking, but I just, my name is Michael Schultz.

I'm the pastor of Antioch Baptist Church in Lewisburg, Kentucky, and I'm an associate professor of church history

at Ford State Logical Seminary.

Pleasure to be a part, love to be a part of the conference.

I'm excited to be as involved as I can be.

I am gonna go ahead and back out so you guys can actually have a productive time here, but thank you for inviting me, and I look

forward to seeing you guys in a month.

See you guys.

Awesome.

Thanks, Michael.

All right, cool.

So guys, I just wanted to get us all on here.

We wanna talk about the conference.

People have a few weeks to still buy tickets.

Hopefully when this comes out, if we're not already sold out.

If not, we'll get in touch with Jeff and we'll see what we can do.

I'm echoing Jeff as well, too.

Last year, I just randomly went down there, and it was probably the best couple days of my

life, just the camaraderie, the lifelong friends I've gained out of it.

I think everyone on here except for Matt, I met down there, and we've been still keeping in

contact.

So I wanna start with Matt since he's the only one who hasn't been on Dead Men Walking podcast.

Matt, why Calvinism?

Why be part of this conference?

Maybe can you give us a little sneak peek of what you'll be talking about or explore the

space with us, as they say?

Well, you just gave me several questions.

So why Calvinism?

Because it's the most biblical theological system you can come to, and it gives God the greatest glory and

puts us in our proper place down on the totem pole where we belong.

And we realize that God's the one.

Who saved us.

God's the one who granted that we have faith.

God's the one who elected us.

God's the one who predestined us.

And that God is not, or Jesus is not the blonde -haired, blue -eyed Caucasian surfer dude dressed in a woman's nightgown, standing at the door of

your heart, asking permission for you and your wisdom to let him in.

That's a load of theological crap.

Sorry, but that's what it is.

And so that's why Calvinism, because it gives God the greatest glory.

And the humanist philosophy that's creeping into the Christian church all over the place is rampant.

And Arminianism helps support that.

I'm not saying Arminians aren't Christians,.

But, you know.

And so the humanist philosophy that's there is refuted and pruned away by

the weed killer known as Calvinism.

And I love that.

So we get sort of the theological crud.

And I'll be preaching on Calvinism, or teaching, I should say, Calvinism and the gospel, or the gospel and

Calvinism.

And I'll be talking about that.

And I love Calvinism.

In fact, I'm working on my Calvinist file.

I have a Word document in outline form, and it's 92 pages.

Oh, love it.

Yeah, karm .org, excuse me.

Guys, make sure you check that out.

I used it for years and years and years.

Still do revisit it, go back there.

Appreciate all the work that you put in there and all the resources that it has, Matt.

Can I talk about another website I've got?

Sure.

Calvinistcorner .com.

What's that all about?

Calvinist?

Calvinism?

It's my more advanced stuff.

I put there rather than on Karm, because I don't want Karm to be a Calvinist site.

But Calvinist Corner goes, I go into there.

I go into supportive infobaptism, charismatic gifts.

Sorry, but I do.

And it just really goes, I go into some stuff that a lot of, even a lot of Calvinists don't know about, and how God

uses certain word patterns and things like that, and discuss those things.

Good arguments and stuff.

So I get to update it, though.

Andrew.

When I was on Karm, I used to say that karm .org trained more pastors

than seminaries, because every pastor goes to Karm to get their appraisal.

But now we have to say that karm .org has trained more pastors than Rick Warren, which is.

Is that possible?

Is that even possible, I wonder?

Not in Rick Warren's mind, but in fact.

All right, so Andrew, you piped up.

So why Calvinism?

Same question.

Why is it important for today?

Why attending the conference again?

Give us the lowdown.

Yeah, I mean, it will be, I mean, it was one of the best conferences.

I've told this to Jeff privately, was the way this conference is organized

is one of the best.

Because it's one hour of preaching, then one hour of fellowship, and back and forth, back and forth.

So yes, it's a couple more days than other conferences, trying to pack it all in.

Jeff has a lot of fellowship time, and it's over like in time for dinner.

And if you are really daring, you wanna come to dinner.

Because the dinner is basically a theology throw down every night.

Greg, you and I were fortunately sitting next to each other in the Buffalo Wild Wings, where everybody

was going after, well, I guess both of us, but it got to a point where they targeted you

being a Presbyterian, and you politely.

Presbyterian?

Greg here, the host of the show, the one that says dead men walking over.

The one with the big sign behind me that says dead men walking, yeah.

Yeah.

All right, I like you, good.

Yeah, so there'll be two Presbyterians there.

And so, but Matt, you'll appreciate this.

At one point, as everyone's giving Greg a hard time for being a Presbyterian,.

Greg just looks.

But it was great.

It really was a time where we got good theology debated in a friendly way.

Keith Foskey even made a video based off of that on what happens when different denominations

go to Buffalo Wild Wings.

One of my most popular videos, the denominations order chicken wings.

As dumb as that sounds, man, it took off.

I will make fun of anything.

Okay, for the record though, Keith, did I pay the bill as the dispensationalist?

Well, if you'll remember, I had to leave.

I left.

And you did pay the bill.

There was another guy.

Well, I didn't.

You were the dispensationalist in your video.

Ah, I see.

That's what it is.

You know, we're gonna go.

Yeah, you have to go watch that.

His latest one, Matt, you should watch different denominations that do martial arts.

It was hilarious.

They're good stuff.

Very entertaining.

Are these all martial artists here?

No, he doesn't.

Yeah, go ahead.

I am.

He's a black belt.

I teach karate, in fact.

That's where I -.

What do you teach?

I teach Shotokan Karate.

Ooh, wow, nice.

Yeah, I taught -.

I'm a black belt in run fu.

I did Krav Maga for a few years, though.

I like -.

Run fu?

Oh my God.

I love Krav, that's a good art, yeah.

I remember last time I was on camera with Keith, too.

I think I called him, did I call you a fourth degree?

And you were like, hey, I'm a fifth degree.

I tried to steal a degree from you.

I was, I wasn't.

I was only correcting you because you were wrong.

No, I'm just kidding.

Well, that's often, that's often.

I do love the variety and diversity we have here.

We have Matt, who is training pastors and has a website that

gives definitions and resources in Calvinist Corner.

And then you have Keith, and he goes, I make chicken wing videos.

14 million downloads last month.

You know, okay, that's the same thing, that he gets more downloads than Matt on chicken wing.

I'm just chicken wing videos, that's what I mean, hey.

However you can reach him, brother.

When somebody's grandmother told them I was their favorite TikToker, that was

sad.

Yeah.

That was really sad.

So.

Not just that they called me a TikToker, but because it was their grandmother's favorite TikToker.

Oh my God.

You're bringing the silver hairs onto TikTok, I like it.

All right, okay, Keith.

Think about this, though.

Think about this this year.

We got the same group of guys, but think about getting together with the same group of guys that we

had last time, with everyone having the theological discussions with none other than

on the topic of why Calvinism, with Layton Flowers there.

Oh yeah.

I mean, just think about what those discussions.

Are gonna be like, right?

I was just talking to him.

We were just texting back and forth.

I was making sure he was really coming.

Well, I texted him too to make sure as well.

And so my talk, Greg, is gonna be, I'm gonna be dealing with basically the history

of Calvinism.

So I'm gonna start off with explaining, okay, what is Calvinist?

Where did it origin?

Because it didn't really start with John Calvin.

No, it didn't.

You see the teachings in the scriptures.

You see the teachings in Augustine.

Now, I'm not gonna cover in detail the Calvinism of Luther because there's a whole topic on that, but I'm gonna deal with

the Calvinism of John Calvin.

I'm actually also gonna touch on the Calvinism of Jacob Arminius, which got one person to go,

ooh, ooh, I wanna see that.

But -.

Just don't touch on the Calvinism of Andrew Rappaport.

Yeah.

Well, no, no.

Here's what we're gonna do.

We're gonna do the Calvinism of John Owen.

And then I'm thinking of adding in one of the Calvinism of Layton Flowers to explain how

everyone corrects him and he never realizes his Calvinism doesn't fit with like every

definition of Calvinism.

Yeah.

So it's gonna be spicy.

Okay, I like it.

Keith, why Calvinism?

Well, because that's where the money's at.

Did you see Matt's face when you said that?

He goes, Andrew goes, where?

I wanna say something, and this is like, honestly, I'm kind of like having

like a star moment because I really love Matt.

Matt doesn't know this, but Matt is like, in my life, he has meant a lot.

As I said, I'm a pastor.

I've been a pastor for 18 years and I have very much appreciated his stuff.

So I'm a little nervous.

It's like, you know, meeting a hero.

So for real, and I promise I'm not just blowing smoke, but no, and I am

appreciating

I'll enjoy it while it lasts because when you meet me, it'll be over.

Well, what's funny is you look like one of my karate instructors.

I posted a picture once of you and him together because y 'all look so much alike, but that -.

Poor guy.

That's why he had to start karate.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm preaching on the Calvinism of Luther, which is anachronistic, obviously, because Luther was a first -generation reformer and Calvin was more of

a second -generation reformer, but in regard to Luther's views on the

depravity of man and how he understood the anthropology of

the scriptures, and I'm going to tie those into Augustine.

And my goal is to show that Augustine, while he has a history of Manichean Gnosticism, was

not in fact teaching Manichean Gnosticism when he taught the depravity of man and the determined

will of God, because that's the argument right now that's being made by the provisionists, is that all of this is

just Manichean Gnosticism.

So my hope is to show how Luther and Calvin both tie back to Augustine, and Augustine was actually right.

Ooh, that sounds good.

Cool, Haps, why Calvinism, brother?

Well, why not?

Why not get biblical, you know?

Why not get back to, you know, world gospel?

No, I'll be teaching on Calvinism and evangelism.

And yeah, I think that apart from Calvinism, there is no

evangelism, you know?

I mean, you know, if you were to take one word to describe Calvinism, it would be monarchism.

You know, a mono, one, or work, one work, that's the one work of

God from, you know, and really not only have this be a

reminder to our fellow brothers out there, our fellow Reformed brothers and everything, but

also, remember the name of the conference is Why Calvinism?

And my plea is to the evangelists out there, you know, a lot of them are doing this

trick or treat evangelism, you know, and they're trying to like, you know, do a song and dance when it comes out to evangelism,

but it's all the work of God.

Yeah.

I mean, it just, and really don't, don't, don't worry.

You know, if somebody is not listening to you,

don't worry if they're coming at you with a brick.

Don't worry if they're coming at you with a question.

God's word never returns void.

Yeah, amen.

And we appreciate the street preaching, the open air theology.

That's what I believe the name of the podcast is based on which you and Jeff are part of as well.

Braden Patterson, a friend of ours as well, I think does that.

So very appreciative of that work.

That's gonna be an interesting subject as well too, because those are the number one things I get hurled at me when I start

talking about doctrines of grace or my Reformed theology is, oh, you're a robot.

You don't have any reason to evangelize.

And I would say, when you dive into the scriptures and you dive in and understand that theology, it is

such a beautiful way that you want to evangelize because you know your place.

You understand that by the grace that you've been saved, you don't deserve it, you haven't earned it.

You're a horrible, despicable person.

And for some reason, God chose to save me.

And why wouldn't I want to go out and tell other people about the good news?

So let's move it over to Claude Ramsey.

Claude, why Calvinism, brother?

Be Claude.

Be Claude.

So I want to echo what Keith said, but of course I echo it about all of you.

I'm in all of you, and I mean that.

I just appreciate the privilege and the honor to get to be counted amongst you all's number.

So my topic is why Calvinism matters.

And basically what the focus and the thrust of the sermon is going to be is to focus on,

as it's been stated and as it's been spoken around as well, that Calvinism,

of course, didn't originate with John Calvin and it originates from the scriptures and the

high view of God in the scriptures.

So that's going to really be our focus, but.

Love it.

Again, I'm a man of few words and little to say so, but I thank you for having me on again.

I'm going to jump off guys, but again, thank you all so much for having me on tonight.

Before you jump off, let me just let folks know, if you have not heard Claude preach.

I know he's going to shake his head.

If you have passion.

The anointing of God.

Heard, straight up.

Passionate, you have not until you've heard Claude preach.

Paul, I've received a comment, give it to God.

If you allow me, you come and then tell me I'm wrong.

After you hear it and give it to God.

Hopefully it's not passion only, but it's theological truth.

With a whole lot of passion.

Well, look it, look it.

God can't cry at your preaching because that's going to happen.

Yeah.

I did last time.

It's pretty.

He cried at everyone's message.

Yeah, that was Braden.

Yeah, that was Braden.

Well, praise the Lord.

It's pretty, it's pretty awesome how powerfully the Lord chooses

to use humble men that speak the truth.

And Claude is definitely one of those, I would say.

So let's, let's, and Claude, we love you, brother.

If you got to hop off, that's fine.

This is a very informal episode.

So people listening or watching, you're going to hear people jumping in and out.

No problem.

Jeff, why now?

Because I, I'm going to ask you that question, but I'm going to attack my opinion on it.

And you let me know if you agree with this and anyone can jump in, but I'm directing it at Jeff since he created this

conference.

But I see it as, as the world becomes more, more secular and secular.

And actually I was talking to Dr. James White about this, how he said, you know, I would prefer them to be pagan because at least

they would believe in some type of deity at that point.

Now we're into this point to where there is no God.

It's very secular.

The farther we get into this culture, especially in America and the Western Christian church, I see how much more

important a solid theology, the doctrines of grace are, how they lead you back to the scriptures, to the

sovereignty of God, and how I see people, especially Gen Z, I'm talking 21 and under, 18 and under,

that are gravitating towards preachers, towards shows, towards podcasts that are

preaching reformed and Calvinistic theology, because it makes sense.

Not only does it make sense, but it speaks truth, right?

And it's God's truth.

So I think this is a great conference for the time to start 2024.

What were your thoughts?

Why do this right now?

Some people might say, this is rehash.

We've been talking about this since the new Calvinism of the early aughts.

Like, why are we doing this?

What are your thoughts on that?

And then anyone else that wants to jump in can too.

Well, let me first answer the question that you asked them, and then I'll bring that into play as well.

So my answer to why Calvinism would be the topic that I gave to

Claude, right?

Because Calvinism matters.

Like, it really does.

So this past weekend, I preached a funeral, and a guy that I worked for for over

15 years was there.

And I got to see him come to Christ.

And he saw me when I first became a Calvinist.

And we had so many conversations in his vehicle, and he would sit there and

scream at me and beat his steering wheel with his fist because I believed

in the doctrines of grace.

And he would say, there's no way I could, I mean, just beating the steering wheel, there's no way that I could believe in a

God that chooses some and not others.

And yesterday at that funeral, he said, 12 years.

I said, what?

He said, 12 years.

I said, what are you talking about?

He says, that's how long it's taken me to see what you've been saying this whole time about Calvinism.

12 years.

He says, God is in control of it all, Jeff.

I said, I know, I've been telling you that.

We got a whole conference on it coming two weeks.

Yeah, I said, you need to come to the conference.

But I mean, Calvinism matters.

And I think that's the whole point of why I think I'm doing, again, there's a lot

going on in our world right now.

There's a lot to be said.

So let's take the whole Presbyterian and Reformed Baptist idea, right?

All right, so the Presbyterians and the Baptists, we can have our inside

arguments and stuff like this, but this is that one area where we agree and we can come together

and have a conference, right?

But in another sense, you have all these other issues that are popping up.

You have the Thomas Aquinas crowds and the Antillian's crowd, they're fighting each

other.

You got all these different problems with different denominations fighting one another over.

And then you have the stuff that's going on in the world.

And I wanted something where those who are Reformed can unite around,

gather together, have fellowship, but also I would love nothing more

than to have 300 people there who were not Calvinists so they could hear

why Calvinism, why is it so important?

Listen, my coming to Jesus was a big moment in my

life, the biggest moment in my life.

But I would say theologically, my second biggest was understanding the

doctrines of grace because what it did, it drove me to the scriptures even

harder, but not only the scriptures, but in church history, right?

And it helped me to find out what it is that I truly believe, right?

And so now I firmly stand where I stand.

I am a Reformed Baptist, right?

I hold to a Baptist covenant theology.

I'm confessional, I'm covenantal.

I hold to the ordinary means of grace.

Like I know where I stand at in my theology.

And I don't think I would have ever known that if it had not been for Calvinism.

Yeah.

No, amen.

And it got me on that trajectory.

And I just want to say as the two Presbyterians, Matt and I don't mind if you use the word Reformed incorrectly like that with Baptist,

that's okay.

Reformed Presbyterian.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

And that's the kind of joke we're gonna have.

Go ahead, Keith.

And the theology burndown begins.

We're what you call deep water Presbyterians.

So we know what we're about.

Hey, I'm just glad that in Keith's video that he did on the martial arts, the

superior martial art was the Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu, even if it was Presbyterian, just

saying.

I'm an MMA guy, so I know five different martial arts.

I think I'll take on any one of them.

Isn't it true that we're gonna have a, it's Jeff versus Keith in round

one of a martial art show.

And then Haps and I are gonna go for round two.

Maybe we'll have Matt versus Greg.

And Greg, it doesn't look good for you.

No, it doesn't.

Wait, is Matt going to be wearing his headset while we're in the ring?

Matt could compete with his Krav Maga with his headset on, just for the record.

That's what I was thinking.

He's putting me in an armbar while he's quoting Luther.

No.

But Matt, I wanna get your opinion on this.

This is the first time you've been on the podcast.

Why now?

Is now a good time in our culture?

Does theology matter?

Does good theology matter in 2024 in Western Christianity?

I know you're gonna say yes.

I'm setting up a softball here, but I'm hoping to get a little more out of you.

Is 2024 a good time to do this?

Or is this just a rehash?

The good time to do it is any time.

Theology is a necessary thing for Christians.

Every Christian should know theology.

But what's happening in the Christian churches largely is that mamby -pamby hammock

theology, skipping stone theology, just throw a stone across it, doesn't go very deep.

This is what's happening with humanist philosophy.

So we need to get down deep.

And someone said earlier, and I agree, there's an increase in young men, men in particular,

who are interested in reformed theology.

They're tired of the crap that's being taught at so many churches.

Yeah, why this?

Because it gives the greatest glory to God.

Amen.

That's it, you know, it's why we're created, Isaiah 43, 45, seven, 45, I gotta find it now.

Yep.

It's in the 40s.

43, seven, I think it is.

43, seven, there we go.

Hope you're enjoying the episode, guys.

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All right, guys.

So we don't wanna stay too much longer here because I know we're recording late and I know everyone's got things to do and

you're all busy, but I wanted to let people know, Jeff, what are the dates?

Can people still get tickets?

We're gonna link this up.

So if you're listening to this or watching this, wherever you're listening or watching, there's gonna be a link below where you can click for it, but just shout it

out there and let people know when, where, how much ticket prices are, stuff like that.

Yeah, so not only is there a Why Calvinism conference, but we

also have a pre -conference if people are interested, and it's on a very important topic as well.

It's called the dangers of full preterism.

And if you haven't really dove into that topic, like this is something that you really need to listen to because a lot of

people are falling down this slippery slope because full preterism answers a lot of

questions at surface level, right?

But when you dig into it, you find out those surface level answers are incorrect and it will

lead you outside of orthodoxy.

And so that's gonna be on February the 21st.

It will be in the evening.

It will begin at 6 p .m.

But the following day, Thursday, the 22nd,

it will be at the Civic Center in Tallahoma, Tennessee.

Now don't get it twisted because although we are kind of in the middle of nowhere,

because we have the Air Force Base here, there's a lot of stuff to do.

And it's kind of like a small town with a big city feel, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

And so the Y -Calvinism conference starts the 22nd of

February, and it goes to that Saturday, the 24th, right?

And so we're gonna have, I believe it's 12 speakers.

And then we also have a debate on the subject of the atonement

between Dr. James White and,.

Excuse me, his name is Jason Brita.

And the guy who lost, yeah.

Yeah, Jason Brita.

And Jason's a really good guy, and I promised him that everyone's gonna be nice to him.

So if someone mean to him, brother, I hope you don't have to face me.

We'll be nice.

But it's gonna be, yeah.

So the ticket prices right now, I think they're, I think it's 125.

There's plenty of tickets left.

A lot of people are contacting me.

Can they buy tickets at the door?

If there's tickets left, then yes, but you still have to go to the link.

We're not accepting cash at the door.

So if you're planning on just bringing me a fistful, if you brought me a fistful of money, I might just let you in.

But the main thing is there's a link to click on, buy the ticket.

So that way we can have a name tag ready for you, already have you down.

We only have a certain amount of seats.

So that's why it's best to go ahead and buy your tickets.

But we'll see.

Yeah, we got it all linked up.

All right, guys, let's put bookends on this and get out of here.

Final word for each of you guys.

What are you most looking forward to when you come down to the conference?

It doesn't have to be high and lawfully.

Maybe you're just looking there for that spot that has the good wings.

What are you looking forward to in a couple of weeks when you come down?

Cigar shop.

The cigar hangouts were fun, for sure.

How about you, Rappaport?

Strivingforeternity .org, check them out.

I did a debate with a guy from the Philippines.

He wanted to debate the topic of Calvinism is useless and dangerous.

Now, here was the irony of it.

When I did my cross -examination, my whole cross -examination was one thing.

I gave the definitions of Calvinism without using the labels, and he agreed with every point.

And every Calvinist watching was like, boom, checkmate, they saw what

I was doing.

He didn't.

My second round, all I did was ask him to define what total depravity is, what irresistible grace is, and

every one of them, he got wrong.

What I'm really hoping is gonna come out of this is the fact that this conference,

and along with, I think Jeff is working on putting together a documentary, but this will kind

of put the nail in the coffin of what Calvinism is so we can stop fighting over it, because

many of the people who say they're against Calvinism are Calvinists.

They just don't know any better.

And hopefully, we can put the nail in that coffin.

Such a true point, and I noticed when I got out of my cage stage and started using theology like a scalpel instead of a

sledgehammer, I realized most people were a lot more receptive, and the majority of

them already believed those things.

And they go, I didn't know that had a name.

And, just like me, just didn't understand their church history and had been taught traditions over top of

Scripture.

Once you remove those traditions and you get down to the word of God and you understand that,

it's such a beautiful thing.

And I think a lot more people are receptive to that.

So I love that you said that because I was feeling the same way.

I hope, like Jeff was saying, hope there's some people there that maybe don't line up with that theology, don't understand it, don't identify

with it, and they go, oh, yeah, that's what that is.

So, Matt, what are you looking forward to?

First time at the conference.

We are excited.

I know I'm excited to meet you, hang out with you, get to know you, hear you speak.

So, what are you looking forward to?

To be honest, I'm just looking forward to seeing a bunch of guys and meet a bunch of guys who are like -minded.

Amen.

Because I'm always dealing with unbelievers constantly.

Yeah.

Just constantly.

And it's pretty hard.

And so just to meet a bunch of guys who, I joke about, oh, you're Presbyterian so I can like you.

But hey, you're Presbyterian.

But I don't care if you guys are Reformed Baptists or Cessationists.

I'm a Continuationist.

But I just love Reformed theology, and I would love to be able to meet other men

who just love God and are submitted to His greatness and His sovereignty, and are trying to preach about how great God

is and how we're not, and how we're saved by His grace and kept by His grace.

And you know what?

I'm looking forward to just meeting other men who believe that, and women who believe that, because

just praise God for that and His great mercy to us.

Yeah, amen.

Amen.

And Andrew reserved the Celtic coffee bar upstairs, and we're gonna have some great conversations there.

So kudos to you for doing that.

Yes, Matt.

Yeah, I'm gonna be recording all of those as well to put into the documentary.

Awesome.

For those that don't know, we are filming a white Calvinism documentary.

And so just, and it's gonna be really good.

And we're hoping that the proceeds that come from the documentary will financially

back the next conference that we do.

Yeah.

Because I'm really struggling right now getting this one together.

Oh, it's tough, man.

People don't realize how much work it is to do, but yeah, go ahead, Matt.

Yeah, man, it is.

I'm telling you what, man, it's wearing me out.

Yeah.

Therefore, everyone needs to not only buy tickets, but buy a post -Tenellux Lux

Bible when they get there.

You know?

Buy one of these bad boys right here.

Look at that.

And for those of you that don't know, I do, I'm the artist and owner of Post -Tenebrous Lux Bible Rebinding.

Matt doesn't know what this feels like yet.

It still smells good.

Look at that, three ribbons.

Ghost print, baby.

Double buckshot, let's go.

Yeah, good stuff.

And I will be giving away -.

I have everything on my phone.

I will be giving away,.

Yes, so did James White too before he saw one of mine.

Yeah, he's -.

I will be giving away a Post -Tenebrous Lux Bible.

We are giving away three commentary sets, Donner's Oak has provided a

special tulip pipe.

That's gonna be -.

Handcrafted, yep.

Braden does those.

Handcrafted.

Yeah, so there's gonna be a lot of giveaways.

There's gonna be over $2 ,000, $3 ,000 worth of giveaways.

Nice.

Matt, did you have something to say?

It looked like you wanted to chirp in there.

I'll give away Matt.

Can we give him away?

If we could just get Rappaport to stop talking for one second, we'll get Matt's - I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Two things.

One, if you guys give me the information, just real simple URL.

When I do my newsletter tomorrow night, it goes out to thousands of people.

I'll put that in there.

And if you guys don't have my cell number, here it is, okay?

Feel free to give me a call, you know, and whatever, you know, and it's always on do not

disturb.

So you'll probably leave a message, you know, and say, this is so -and -so.

Then I go, okay, good, good.

That's one thing.

The other thing is, I'm always embarrassed about this.

Andrew knows this, but I have autism.

I don't do well with lots of sound input.

So if we go to some place and there's lots of sound and I get overloaded, I'll have to leave.

It's not mad or anything.

I can't process it.

No, but what you should do, Matt, is you take Leighton Flowers out, just the two of you, straighten him out.

Then come back, yeah.

I can't answer it.

Yeah, but that's the only thing.

That's the only thing I have.

I think I talked to somebody about it.

I'll carry earplugs and stuff.

I apologize in advance for that, but it just sucks.

I have 80 decibel ringing in both ears.

I have $6 ,000 hearing aids in.

No, no need to apologize, brother.

Keith, take us out.

Let's wrap this thing up.

What are you looking forward to?

Well, I'm looking forward to hopefully somebody buying me at least one meal.

That, I'm coming, just so somebody will buy me a meal.

I got it.

There you go.

There's three of them.

Spoken like a true pastor.

Actually, I tell you what, I told Leighton I wanted to

have a meal with him while he was there.

And he said, he wants to try to get me to change my name to at your former Calvinist.

And I said, well, that's not going to happen, but I'll still let you go to eat with me.

Yes, well, it really can't happen as long as you have the covenant theology.

Yeah.

Well, you know me, I'm a new covenant guy.

So that's, I'm one of them dangerous Steve Wellam guys.

So I'm the odd ball.

I mean, I'm glad to hear Matt Slick has at least admitted to being a continuationist.

So I'm not a continuationist, but I'm a leaky cessationist at best.

So at least - That's good enough.

You're close to the truth of dispensationalism.

You just got to reform a little bit more.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

See, I understand.

Well, that's what I said.

But I will say this though, and I know this is Matt, you mentioned being,

my daughter has autism and

What kind?

And she is high -functioning autism and her,

I'm not sure how to define when you say what kind, I'm not sure what you mean.

So I apologize.

Asperger's.

Yeah, yes.

They don't call it that anymore though.

Everything falls under the same category now because of the way that they've got it, the spectrum.

And, but she would be what maybe 15 years ago they would have called Asperger's.

But she struggles with some of those same things.

Let's stay on after.

I want to ask you a couple of questions if that's okay.

Oh, we'd love to.

We'd love to, absolutely.

Yeah, let's do it.

Okay, yeah.

Awesome, guys.

Is Keith Jewish?

Did.

Rappaport, why'd you ask if I was Jewish?

You want a free meal?

Oh, oh, oh, okay.

Oh my gosh.

Honestly, the fellowship,.

That's what I'm looking for, the fellowship.

You're not going to back out on us like you did last time and leave during a tornado, are you?

No, that was my wife and children needed me.

This time I'm coming alone because they said they don't need me anymore.

The fellowship is second to none.

Yeah, oh yeah.

That is true.

Yeah.

That is true.

That's good.

Did you warn Leighton Flowers what he's in for?

Does he plan on being there the whole time?

I hope so.

He said he would, he told me he was coming to support the guy who's debating James White.

So I don't know what his plan is.

I don't know if he's going to be there for everyone.

I was hoping he'd be there the whole time.

He's got to come for, I mean, just picture our evenings out for dinner

with Leighton Flowers.

I mean, Greg, you and I don't have to worry about being the ones being, you know, attacked back and forth.

It's going to, I mean, all guns directed at Leighton.

It'll be, you know, we can all be in agreement.

We all understand the proper definitions of Calvinism and he doesn't.

Unfortunately, and I know many of you are friends with Leighton here and I'm sure I'll be friendly with him, but when I see,

it's like bumping up a brick wall with some of his argumentation.

And I've chosen not to kind of interact on the internet.

He's said some things about me and put me on his program, but it's just tough because it's the same

old, I mean, old, old, old kind of points and you give him the scripture and you give him the history and all this.

And it's like, okay, you're not convinced you were a Calvinist for 10, 12 years, whatever you say, and then switched, who

knows?

Maybe we just got to wait out the provisionist phase becomes a Calvinist again, another five years and it'll come full circle, you know?

I think Matt will agree with this, but Leighton Flowers is a super nice guy.

Oh, for sure.

And yeah, he is just a really, really nice guy.

Wrong in the way he describes Calvinism, but a really sweet guy.

I mean, Matt and I got to meet him when we were out there in Texas.

Matt being insane decided, okay, guys, you listening, think about this, doing one debate is

hard.

Matt decides, hey, why don't I debate two different atheists on two different nights?

So they only have to prepare for one.

Matt has to prepare for two totally different debates.

That's Matt Slick for you.

But we got to meet Leighton, super nice guy.

We thoroughly enjoyed the time with him.

So the ribbing that I give to him is the same way I would give to my brother, Jeff here or any of you

guys, others, it's out of love.

Look at, I know, and I met a very nice person who graduated from Bethel School of Ministry and

was a uber Pentecostal.

I could say they were nice.

I probably just wouldn't have that many conversations with them if they were really stuck in their ways, you know what I'm saying?

So that was my whole point, but it would be, yeah, it's gonna be, it'll be fun if he's there, but what Jeff said, and

as we finish up here, the fellowship among everyone, not just among the

speakers, but even that last year was a little smaller.

I know we're going a little bigger venue, but it's still, it's not 6 ,000 people, okay?

This isn't a G3.

This is, it's very personal.

You're going to be able to speak with the speakers when they're off stage and fellowship like you brought up, Andrew.

There's giveaways.

It's just very family -oriented, I would say.

I would want to, what was the word I wanted to use there?

Familia, familiar.

What's the word when it's -.

Familial.

Thank you.

Familial.

Yeah, hold on.

I just looked that up on karm .org.

Okay, yep, I'm using it correctly.

So that's what I want to get across to for people who might want to purchase and go, well, what kind of conference is this?

You got to realize it is a, it almost feels like a full access family conference

with extremely good speakers.

You didn't even go over the speakers.

Yeah, all these guys, everyone here outside of me, Andrew, Matt, Jeff, Keith, they're all speaking.

Claude earlier.

I know Tom Buck's going to be there.

Jeremiah, there's just -.

Tom Buck, Sam Waldron, James White.

I mean, it's insane.

Just men of God.

I thought Sam Waldron couldn't make it, but I took his spot.

No, no, no, you took a -.

That's what Jeff told you to get you there.

And then we're still keeping track.

I'm telling you right now, Jamie Terry, that boy can preach, man.

Yeah.

Good.

Yeah.

Praise God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He was pastoring for a while, and then he had to step down

because he had to move somewhere else, and he hasn't been able to get back in the pastorate, like trying to find a pastorate job.

And so he hasn't been preaching in the last two or three years.

And so he didn't want his first time back preaching behind the pulpit to be at the conference.

I think he would have done wonderful.

And if he lived close enough, I'd give him my pulpit any time he wanted it, but -.

What's wrong with that?

If God predestines it.

Yeah, I know, right?

All right.

With Sam Waldron there, maybe we can have a second debate between Matt Slick and Sam Waldron on the gifts, because unfortunately,

I disagree with Matt's position, but he totally won the first debate.

Just saying.

Sam wasn't ready.

At dinner, we had this discussion, and Sam thought it would debate with something else, just to give him credit.

I thought he did okay.

Yeah, he's a fine man.

He's such a really good guy.

I'm grateful that he's gonna be there and join us.

Plus at the end, when Matt slain him in the spirit, it was pretty insane.

I mean, he pretty much won the debate there, right?

Okay, okay, so I can go.

See, there's so much heresy, so little time.

Okay, with that, we gotta wrap up.

That wraps up the show right there.

Guys, thanks so much for coming on.

We got Andrew Rappaport, Striving for Eternity, Matt Slick at karm .org.

Obviously, Open Air Theology and Why Calvinism with Jeffrey Rice.

Go check him out.

Keith Foskey, your Calvinist.

He's everywhere.

He's the king of TikTok.

You can check him out anywhere, though.

Guys, thanks so much for coming on and hanging out, and if you're listening, go check out the tickets.

It's in the link below in this episode, whether you're watching, listening, anywhere.

You can go click on it.

Come join us.

You will not regret it.

Tullahoma, Tennessee, great little city.

I loved being there for a few days last year, and I'm getting really excited to go back next month, and by the time you hear

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